July 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug Gottlieb talks about Scottie Scheffler winning the Open, the WNBA All Stars wearing "Pay Us What You Owe Us" t-shirts, Ric Bucher stops by to talk everything roundball, a game of Big Deal, Little Deal, No Deal, and more!
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Some people think players should join the union. Then you're like, wait,
there's some union issues there. Speaking of unions, I think
I can combined the flaws of the w NBA union
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of players with Scotty Scheffler winning the Open Championship. You know,
just bear with me for a second. So Scheffler is
the best player in the world. He wins the Open Championship,
and this on the heels of when Scotty told the
media before the Open, I just don't get a lot
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of joy out of it. You know, still like doing
the work, it's all I know. But when we win,
it's like, you know, a couple seconds a high and
then hey, what are we going to eat? And that
didn't I mean, I just didn't land perfectly with me.
But again, that doesn't mean that he couldn't win, or
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that we should feel bad about him winning or anything. Right,
there's a certain thing that he has that some of
us strive for, which is kind of a balance in
your life. Things shouldn't matter at work as much as
they do for some of us. But the other side
to it, and this is a really important side to it,
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The other side to it is guys that are just
vicious competitors and always looking for the next kill. If
you will again, this is just more sports analogy, or
if you want to make it kind of like an
animal analogy, or or maybe the biggest thing would not
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even be animal analogy, is just Tom Brady, right. Tom
Brady's famous for what's his favorite super Bowl? The next one?
Whereas Scotti Scheffler, Eh, didn't mean that much to me.
But here's what's an issue when you combined the WNBA
and what I felt like was a disastrous weekend the
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second straight summer in which they could have done so
many great things to promote their product, to wrap their
proverbial arms around their growing superstar, and yet again, second
straight summer, they tripped on their egos and on all
of the things. They feel like it was done wrong
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to them in the past, and it hurt their ability
to shine brightly when nothing else is really shining. But
the big thing is when you get a superstar, learning
how to promote that superstar. And when you were a
superstar like talent in a sport, you do carry a
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certain It's just important for you to embrace that and
to find a way to have the game grow with
you like Tiger Woods wasn't perfect, right, obviously far from
and the image that was portrayed to us was only
a fracture of the real image of the real guy
of Tiger Woods. But whether it was Nike, whether it
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was his agent, whether it was the time, whether it
was Tiger himself, he took the sports rule by storm.
Let's just be honest. Golf was boring, Golf was rich people.
Golf was old, fat white dudes that could weren't athletic
enough to play a real sport, and they would go
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and drink and smoke cigars with their buddies on weekends
and pay gargantuan sums of money that we could ever
think of paying. And so it was completely unrelatable to
those of us who grew up lower, lower or lower
middle income. Right. If you're if you didn't grow up
with your well, your dad at as at a country club,
you didn't grow up with a golf club in your
hand until Tiger Woods became a star. You look at
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the NBA and what's been what's been fixed, What's been
fixed by Steph Curry, Lebron James was that gap after
Michael Jordan, Right, And whichever one you like they've helped
kind of raise up the game, probably Steph Curry even
more so than Lebron, even though we'd all agree Lebron
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is the is the better overall player. But again, I
think the big thing is, if you look at what's
going on in the w n b A, if you
look at what's going on with Scotti Scheffler, neither of
them understand the superstar thing. For Scheffler, I get it.
You don't love golf or you don't it doesn't bring
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you the energy that winning isn't as triumphant, as amazing
as you thought it would be. But because this is
it's like, eh, eh, fine, it's hard for mainstream not
golf fans are going to get behind him because he's
amazing and there is something to the subtle art of
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not giving a flip, and maybe that's why he wins
when others with similar or maybe even equal talent fall short. Right,
how many times has Rory fallen short? How many times?
You know? How many times have you go through all
of these guys You're like, man, this guy's an incredible talent.
They've won majors, yet they can't be as consistent as
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he can be. And maybe A big reason is it
just doesn't care that much, so it doesn't bother him
that much, so he doesn't carry these nerves and this
angst and this anxiety when he gets to sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
and it's you can put away tournaments that way. Maybe
I don't know, but it's really hard for us to
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make golf a thing like it was with Tiger when
the guy doesn't really embrace or doesn't know how to
carry the sport like his talent says he should. And
then conversely, for the WNBA, they keep pushing against this superstar,
doing everything they can in their power to push against
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Caitlin Clark as a superstar as representing their sport, and
they don't know how to do it either. They don't
know how to do it either. Say what you want
about the NBA and the flaws of the NBA, but
the fact is it is a star driven league and
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they know what they're doing. NFL the same. And look,
not every NFL star wants to be a star or
gets it or embraces it or whatever, but dynamic personalities
that then become the best or close to the best
in the league have to one be lifted up by
everybody in the league. And then two they have to
embrace that themselves and golf has a chance. You have
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an amazing player. You've got a lot of amazing players.
But I mean Scotty Scheffer's numbers and wins incredible. But
because he doesn't outwardly says it doesn't matter that much
to him, even if it's a great place to be
in your work life balance, even if that speaks to
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gen z Okay, it misses the mark when you can
be carrying a sport and the WNBA trying to fight
old battles and using the wrong tone and the wrong approach,
all while constantly pushing against this idea of Caitlin Clark
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lifting your sport up of being among the games elite.
It's almost comical how both sides, both sports are tripping
all over themselves to find a superstar. The WNBA and
golf have both found it, and yet they can't capitalize
on it like on paper they probably should. Right This
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Speaker 5 (11:03):
So.
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WNBA All Star Game took place this weekend. Did any
of you guys watch bo Did you watch any of you
guys watch anybody?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I watched the first half and the festivites leading up
to it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Okay, so Sam helped me out again. I'm trying to
consume one because I don't like All Star games too.
I'm just gonna be as see you. It's the whole.
WNBA has always been a hard watch for me. I
enjoy watching Caitlin Clark play some but again a lot
of this is how it gets cycled into my phone,
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right because just like the rest of the world, I
have the bad habit of not paying attention to something
recruiting over the weekend and trying to not take the
perspective that's given through social media. But what was shared
was it was basically the the NBA All Star Game
without the athleticism and skill in that nobody played any
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sort of defense. Is that accurate?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah? Yeah, there wasn't much defense and there was a
lot of bricks. I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So let me get this straight. Okay, the WNBA has
this new superstar. Okay, it's new superstar, and they have
a chance, with all of the dysfunctions in other sports,
to capitalize on the momentum of the sport. And over
the weekend in Indianapolis, where one Caitlin Clark owns that
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town too, they've been selling out the Pacers Arena for
WNBA games and there's a tremendous basketball fan base in
general being in the state of Indiana. They came out
in the court with T shirts saying pay us, which
you owe us, and Caitland Clark didn't play, and then
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they played a worse version of the NBA All Star Game,
which everybody has rightfully been critical of, And after the
game there was then subtle jabs thrown at Kaitlyn Clark
and her team for not participating in a discussion about
said T shirts before they reward. How did I do?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yep?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
That sums it up.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, So what's going to happen is at some point,
at some point even with Kitlin Clark, but the rest
of the league is going to run into a Hey,
we're back in that same predicament of not people not caring,
but people actually pushing it away, and it's going to
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be blamed. It will, without any questions, say hey, America
is male, chauvinistic, anti whatever, alternative lifestyle whatever, when that's
not what it is. Is there some of that? Yeah,
there's there's always going to be something. There's also reality
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to it. Right, Women are less athletic than men. It
is not at the jaw dropping athleticism that we're used
to seeing in professional basketball. It's just not their skill level,
though better than it's ever been, is not nor will
ever be, at the level of men. And yet they
want to compare themselves the salary to it. So there's
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part of that. There's a reality to it, a harsh
reality to it. But there's also hey, last year you
had the Olympics, you chose not to bring Caitlin Clark,
and so people like myself said, not only am I
not appointment viewing, I'm actually going to make sure that
I don't watch because it's just gross that they don't
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really want to embrace their growth in their own game.
And then with the T shirts, look I get there's
the reality of them only getting I think it's nine
percent of a revenue share. And of course every Moody
on social media likes to smartly point out that, hey,
you lost forty million last year as a league, so
if you want to share the revenue, should you share
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the revenue losses? And of course the NBA subsidizes it.
And then you know, women will tell you. Women of
the WNBA will tell you like, hey, look, if the
new TV deal goes in effect. When the new TV
deal goes in effect, we get very little of it.
And these owners are now going to be made whole
on some level because of it, asking for more, asking
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for a spot at the table, asking for the chance
to get a higher percentage of the revenue is very reasonable. Hey,
we're doing way better now than we used to. We're
flying in charters, we're on commercials, we're doing better than
we used to. Can we continue to make it better
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for women of the WNBA? Is different than pay us
what you owe us, because exacting and extracting that revenge payment,
if you will, is exactly how we feel. I would
just say, as the average consumer, the average sports fan,
it's like, hey, now you got to give us the
attention that you owe us. We don't owe you anything.
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No one owes you anything. Some of it is semantics.
It's just one word. The word is oh. It's oh,
nobody owes you anything, zero, zilch zip, nada. Had they
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simply said, you know, pay us as we earn it,
think of how that would have landed. Think of how
that lands. Or even pay us what we've earned lands better.
It still doesn't land great, but lands better. Then pay
us what you owe us, Oh, reeks of entitlement. Oh
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is paying for the past When anybody who's followed this
league at all will say, like, owe you We've been
bleeding money for twenty five years. I don't know you nothing.
But it's more how it actually lands with the people
you're trying to win over. None of that has any
effect on negotiations. Negotiations are really just about hey, are
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you unified? Do you have is your union ready to
await for walk away from checks? If you're ready to
walk away from checks and you're you're ready to run
the you know, have the danger of walking away from checks,
if you're willing to do that, well, hey, this is
getting this, this will get interesting. Doesn't that have any
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But this is about winning the room, or maybe not
even winning the room. This is about winning in public perception,
which does have value. It does have value. Public perception
absolutely has value. Maybe not to the extent that the
women of the WNBA think or understand, but it has value.
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On the other hand, using a word like oh, it
just lands terribly, I don't know anybody who looked at
it and goes like, yeah, that's great, that's great. Sam,
you are the biggest WNBA fan and really a kingle
Clark fan, you know, you and Monse you're the two
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biggest at the network.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
And Martin Weiss big fan, big fan.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, again, I'm gonna warn you guys, be cautious to
not it's like guys on social media when it's like
a Saturday morning and they start tech, they start tweeting
about uwave football, Like you're like, if that's what you
love and you're covering the NFL, you're showing you really
don't care as much about it. It's just a job
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to you. It's that's that's it. That's a Titanic you're
going to sink on. So it's cool to love it
and enjoy it, but just know, like becoming a w
NBA leading sports radio shows consecutively continually when real, when
other sports matter, it's not a great way to live.
That said, how did how'd those shirts slam? With you?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Man?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
It They're controversial for sure, I mean for all the
reasons you said, you know, and then but then you
listen to the people calling the game and they had
their own explanation for it and reasons why they were
wearing the shirt. And but I think it's a little
too soon to be like demanding so much. Give it
another four or five years. So I think that then
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you get to the point where you're like, Okay, pay
us what we deserve now there's there is a lot
of money floating around and both said it. We had
a bo Bens and our executive producer today had a
great term, you know, accounting magic. I think magical accounting. Yeah,
the money's out there somewhere, but I just don't know
if it's you know, at this point, it should be
all put up front at this you know for the players.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
No, listen, we all listen. We all want to focus
on the forty million dollars lost by the league. Okay,
And every good business tries to look like they don't
make any money because they don't play any taxes. If
we lose money, great, right, Like NBA teams will tell you.
You know, Mark Cuban when he sold sold the Mavericks,
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I lost hundreds of you know, hundreds of millions of
dollars and then you end up making it back on
the sale the team. The difference is in this league
you generally don't make money even when you sell the team,
or to this point, you haven't made money when you
sell the team. That's why they have to create more
teams because that's the way to get more money to
the owners, and you get it through franchise fees. So
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I agree with the there is some cute accounting taking
place that leads you to believe it loses more money
than it probably loses. That said, everyone knows the w
NBA loses money and the word oh is not only
entitlement but the past. And that's not what you're trying
to capitalize on. Rick Kicker joins us Fox Sports One
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and Fox Sports Radio. NBA Insatury joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's uh, let's
get to the league. As Marcus Smart now member of
the of the Lakers, what does that do for the Lakers?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Look? Is it gonna help? Sure? But I I feel
and I've always been a Marcus Smart fan. I it's
I don't want to say it's a desperate move, but
I don't know how excited anybody should get over where
Marcus Smart is at this point. And what I really
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am curious about is the chemistry between Smart and Lebron
and Luca uh and to a lesser extent, JJ. Marcus
has always been about kind of playing at both ends
and holding you know, bigger players, guys with bigger names
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accountable when he has played with and he hasn't been
afraid to speak his mind or call them out. And
I don't know that personality has changed, even though his
game has declined somewhat. And that's where I'll be. It
makes them very interesting. I'll be interested. But that makes
them a chemistry experiment that I'm not sure is going
to turn out the way the Lakers fans with hope
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it would.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, it's it's weird. Uh. Any chance they move Lebron
before the season starts.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I just I don't. I don't see it. I know
it's out there, I know that they would be open
to it. I just don't see a world in which
Lebron is going to a place where it makes sense
for him. He's still if he's going to have any cachet,
it is going to be with the Lakers more than
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any place else. And it really doesn't make sense for
any of the other teams, especially when it comes to
a trade, like what are you giving up? How do
you You're gonna have to give up something just to
match the contract. That's where his opting in. You can't
opt in and say I'm still playing for championships. If
you wanted to play for championships, you've got to go
someplace where you're picking your spot. You're signing a deal
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that makes physcal sense for the team more so than
for yourself. And then then that provides that opportunity opting
in almost practically eliminates that for any team that considers
itself a title contender.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, so help me out with the Warriors, They've done
so little. It seems like everybody's waiting on something to happen. Yeah,
why has anything happened yet?
Speaker 7 (24:01):
A big part of it is is trying to figure
out what they can get for uh, for Jonathan Kaminga
and there's not a great market out there. It's really
trying to make a deal that that improves them. And
that's the big that's the big piece right here that
they're that they're sort of sitting on, is trying to
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figure that out. But there look, here's the reality they're
up against it. They Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry alone
take up three fourths of their salary cap room. You
add Draymond Green to that and it's nine tenths. So
the flexibility that they have is severely limited because of
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what they are paying their top three players. And unless
you're going to move one of those, which there there
is no plan to do that. They're really up against
it in terms of making improving this team and making
it make physical sense unless they're able to turn Kminga
into UH into something. And right now there's just there's
not a market because people don't want to pay what
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Kaminga thinks he's worth. And so I think that you know,
at this point, it's it's going to be he's gonna
sign that he's going to have that extension, UH, the
restricted pre agent extension, and then potentially be an unrestricted
pre agent next summer. That that at least is the
way it is looking right now. Everybody that I talked
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to around the.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
League, Rick Berger joining us here on the on the
Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio, UH, okay, then
you got the East, which you know Celtics looks like
you kind of got a pause for a year. Terms
of competing pacers, obviously the same. We know what the
Bucks are trying to do, and yet we're still waiting
on a full commitment from Jannis. Like a fool like
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I'm in, don't call. Will we get that?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I would expect that they will, because I don't know
that there's anything out there that makes more sense than
what he has in Milwaukee, and I would take Damian
Lillard going back to Portland as a cautionary tale that's
right in Giannis's face, which is you are beloved in Milwaukee.
You've actually done more than Damien did in Portland. You
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brought them a championship. You're still at an age, and
you're with a GM who is demonstrated he's capable of
putting a championship caliber roster around you. You can go
someplace else. There's no guarantee that you're winning a championship,
and if you do, it's going to be discounted because
you went someplace else to join someone else, as opposed
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to you stick around and you take another stab at it,
and if you win a second one, it's almost like,
you know, Steph Winn winning championship in twenty two, twenty
three's it takes you over the top in terms of
where you are and your legacy in Milwaukee. I don't
know if there's any place else where he can go
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unless he wins multiple championships that he could that he
could he could raise his bar more so than staying
in Milwaukee and potentially winning winning another title or just
just being able to compete for one and then the
reason that he hasn't fully committed is because he's looking
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at it saying, Okay, I don't see anything out there,
but why you know, let's let's see if anything comes
up that makes sense that there's something there's somewhere that
I could go that could potentially be better than what
I have. There's there. I don't see where he feels
that there's an urgency there, but I don't know that
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it means that like he's torn. I think the wrong
read is to suggest that he's he's really conflicted. He
wants to leave Milwaukee, but he can't find the place
to go to. I think it's more a matter of
he's ready to stay in Milwaukee, but wants to leave
his options open to see if possibly something better could arise.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, I semantics matter. It really matters to those
of us, you know, like yourself, when we're kind of
breaking down what people say, what they write, and what
it all means, but also matters in terms of perception.
I felt like the flaw in the w NBA with
the T shirts, there's there's a lot right they just
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they still can't embrace Caitlyn Clark. They're very much pushing back,
but just in the pay us what you owe us. Yeah,
the the O makes people think of entitlement. It also
makes you think that there's some wrong done to women
in the past that most of us. And again, like
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the women's deal isn't particularly good good right, it just isn't.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Part of it was they weren't making money, so whatever,
It's not a particular deal, so not wrong. But I
think the mistake is in the oh US instead of
saying what we will earn? How did land for you?
When you saw those T shirts this weekend?
Speaker 7 (29:17):
You know what, Honestly it felt a lot like the
slogans and the the T shirts in the bubble that
can the concessions that the players made to play in
the bubble so that we can wear T shirts and
we can have slogans on the court. And I felt like, Okay,
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I understand, I understand what you guys are going for.
Are you, in today's market worth more than you're getting paid. Yeah,
there's an argument to be made for that, But I
think you make a great point in terms of it
feels like that they've been persecuted up to this point,
and the reality is there's this conflict between. You know what,
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the reason that you're you're now have the attention that
you do is because of one person that you seemingly
can't embrace, because she recognizes that she's different than the
rest of you, and she is protecting that status. She's
not going to join She's not she's not one of
the girls.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
She came in, she's been treated a certain way. She's
going to stand on her own brand, in her own position.
It's not that she's not a teammate with a teammate
with her, with her her team, but this idea that
she's got to like fall in line with everybody in
the WNBA who was already there. I don't see Caitlin
catering to that, nor do I think that she should,
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because she's the reason where they are. So it's like,
I'm not bringing myself down to your level. Yet we're
not talking about as basketball players. We're talking about as
brand and and attractions. I have more pulled than you do.
And honestly, if the WNBA players knew their history and
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had put some forethought into this and really wanted to
use the All Star Game as a platform, they would
have done what the NBA players did back in the
Oscar robertson Bob Coosey days, which is they played the
All Star Game and they wanted their players union. They
wanted the players union recognized. They wanted to be able
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to collectively bargain for better terms, better relationship with the owners.
And so they played the first half of the All
Star Game and at halftime they said, unless you recognize
the players Union, unless we're able to collectively bargain, we're
not coming out and play in the second half. And
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the owners the owners caved, And that's how the Players
Union that provides everything that it does today for the
player That's how it was formed. So if you want,
if you're really about this business, if you really want,
like if you want things to change, then you're gonna
have to go to the wall and be cutthroat about it.
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And you can't go out there wearing a T shirt.
Think I get where they are, that they think they
did something bold, but the reality is this is business
and you are dealing with billionaire businessman. They're gonna laugh
at the idea that you're somehow going to influence them
by wearing a T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
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Galllip Show. If you get the best, man, I really
appreciate your time. You got it all right. We'll turn
to some football up coming next. Wait to hear what
Jerry Jones said. Is it a big deal, a little
deal or no deal? Bye out next.
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Scottie Scheffler.
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That's our Tyraq play of the day. Scotty Scheffler just dominant,
but as has been set by the people, just doesn't
want to embrace the idea of being a superstar and
helping his sport out, which he's allowed to do, but
the sport suffers because of it. Let's get to the game.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Isaac Loo and kron I Lo. What's the game today?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Doug deal me in, big deal, little deal, no deal soon.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Today Dallas Cowboys star linebacker Micah Parsons reported to training camp.
This is the final year of his contracts, so he
still remains without a contract extension. And then today Cowboys
owner Jerry Jones, among others, held their typical start of
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training camp news conference, and Jerry Jones made a series
of well Jerry Jones like statements about Micah Parson's contract situation,
including this one in which he refers to Michah Parsons
as and I quote Michael Parson, listen closely.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Of all the players that I've ever negotiated with, Michael
Parson is as savvy and knowledgeable and understanding of his
financial business relative to football as any player I've ever
been around. I've talked with people that have talked to him.
Let's put it like that. You know, I don't necessarily
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talk to these agents, So I don't necessarily talk to attorneys,
and I do stuff everywhere, and I don't necessarily talk
to the people that are hired to do certain things.
I talk to the principals ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
Jerry Jones being Jerry Jones, big deal, little deal or
no deal.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's a little deal. I mean it's going to be
a deal. That he called him Michael when Kirk Cousins
was leaving. Then Redskins Uh, the president of the team
called him Kirk Cousins. And we're all I tell people
all the time, like I almost didn't take the CBS
job because one of the executives CBS twice in a
meeting called me Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
No way, I didn't know this story.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
I didn't know the story.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Well, I was sitting next to guy Dan Weinberg, and
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say who the who
the executive was, but he twice referenced me is you
know Dan? And I was just like, he just has
no idea who I am. Man, wasn't there offer me
a job? Huh?
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Wasn't there like a Steph Curry shoe negotiation where the
same thing happened?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
He told him Stephen Curry or Steve.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Okay, it was. It was one of these where they
they put up a presentation for like a different dude
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
All Right, Yeah, it doesn't It doesn't land great when
you don't know my name.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Michael Parson.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Michael Parson.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
Yeah, it's not like you just got one name wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
He got both names wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
All right.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Anyway, also said pot To, said Kettle, I hadn't heard
that one before about the raccoon, by the way, all right.
NFL Players Association JC Tretter resigned over the weekend, telling
CBS Sports quote, I'm resigning because this has gone too
far from me and my family, and I've sucked it
up for six weeks and I felt like I've been
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kind of left in the wind taking shots for the
best of the organization. And in the end, what's the
organization done for me? Like nothing? Unquote. The resignation of
JC Tretder big deal, little deal or no deal.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well, it's a it's a no deal. Until you factor
in that the head of the NFLPA just resigned for
misappropriating funds. Right. Apparently, one of the things was he
he wrote off he got reimbursed for taking guys, taking
people to a strip club.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
For growing the union.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Oops, it's the general mess. It is a big deal
because again, in and of itself, not a big deal,
but when he combined it with other stuff in the union,
big deal. And that's game time.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
This is game time on the Dog Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, so we know that Jerry does things at his
own path, but why again, why not negotiate with mikeah Parsons.
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Some people think players should join the union. Then you're like, wait,
there's some union issues there. Speaking of unions, I think
I can combined the flaws of the w NBA union
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of players with Scotty Scheffler winning the Open Championship. You know,
just bear with me for a second. So Scheffler is
the best player in the world. He wins the Open Championship,
and this on the heels of when Scotty told the
media before the Open, I just don't get a lot
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of joy out of it. You know, still like doing
the work, it's all I know. But when we win,
it's like, you know, a couple seconds a high and
then hey, what are we going to eat? And that
didn't I mean, I just didn't land perfectly with me.
But again, that doesn't mean that he couldn't win, or
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that we should feel bad about him winning or anything. Right,
there's a certain thing that he has that some of
us strive for, which is kind of a balance in
your life. Things shouldn't matter at work as much as
they do for some of us. But the other side
to it, and this is a really important side to it,
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The other side to it is guys that are just
vicious competitors and always looking for the next kill. If
you will again, this is just more sports analogy, or
if you want to make it kind of like an
animal analogy, or or maybe the biggest thing would not
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even be animal analogy, is just Tom Brady, right. Tom
Brady's famous for what's his favorite super Bowl? The next one?
Whereas Scotti Scheffler, Eh, didn't mean that much to me.
But here's what's an issue when you combined the WNBA
and what I felt like was a disastrous weekend the
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second straight summer in which they could have done so
many great things to promote their product, to wrap their
proverbial arms around their growing superstar, and yet again, second
straight summer, they tripped on their egos and on all
of the things. They feel like it was done wrong
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to them in the past, and it hurt their ability
to shine brightly when nothing else is really shining. But
the big thing is when you get a superstar, learning
how to promote that superstar. And when you were a
superstar like talent in a sport, you do carry a
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certain It's just important for you to embrace that and
to find a way to have the game grow with
you like Tiger Woods wasn't perfect, right, obviously far from
and the image that was portrayed to us was only
a fracture of the real image of the real guy
of Tiger Woods. But whether it was Nike, whether it
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was his agent, whether it was the time, whether it
was Tiger himself, he took the sports rule by storm.
Let's just be honest. Golf was boring, Golf was rich people.
Golf was old, fat white dudes that could weren't athletic
enough to play a real sport, and they would go
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and drink and smoke cigars with their buddies on weekends
and pay gargantuan sums of money that we could ever
think of paying. And so it was completely unrelatable to
those of us who grew up lower, lower or lower
middle income. Right. If you're if you didn't grow up
with your well, your dad at as at a country club,
you didn't grow up with a golf club in your
hand until Tiger Woods became a star. You look at
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the NBA and what's been what's been fixed, What's been
fixed by Steph Curry, Lebron James was that gap after
Michael Jordan, Right, And whichever one you like they've helped
kind of raise up the game, probably Steph Curry even
more so than Lebron, even though we'd all agree Lebron
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is the is the better overall player. But again, I
think the big thing is, if you look at what's
going on in the w n b A, if you
look at what's going on with Scotti Scheffler, neither of
them understand the superstar thing. For Scheffler, I get it.
You don't love golf or you don't it doesn't bring
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you the energy that winning isn't as triumphant, as amazing
as you thought it would be. But because this is
it's like, eh, eh, fine, it's hard for mainstream not
golf fans are going to get behind him because he's
amazing and there is something to the subtle art of
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not giving a flip, and maybe that's why he wins
when others with similar or maybe even equal talent fall short. Right,
how many times has Rory fallen short? How many times?
You know? How many times have you go through all
of these guys You're like, man, this guy's an incredible talent.
They've won majors, yet they can't be as consistent as
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he can be. And maybe A big reason is it
just doesn't care that much, so it doesn't bother him
that much, so he doesn't carry these nerves and this
angst and this anxiety when he gets to sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,
and it's you can put away tournaments that way. Maybe
I don't know, but it's really hard for us to
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make golf a thing like it was with Tiger when
the guy doesn't really embrace or doesn't know how to
carry the sport like his talent says he should. And
then conversely, for the WNBA, they keep pushing against this superstar,
doing everything they can in their power to push against
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Caitlin Clark as a superstar as representing their sport, and
they don't know how to do it either. They don't
know how to do it either. Say what you want
about the NBA and the flaws of the NBA, but
the fact is it is a star driven league and
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they know what they're doing. NFL the same. And look,
not every NFL star wants to be a star or
gets it or embraces it or whatever, but dynamic personalities
that then become the best or close to the best
in the league have to one be lifted up by
everybody in the league. And then two they have to
embrace that themselves and golf has a chance. You have
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an amazing player. You've got a lot of amazing players.
But I mean Scotty Scheffer's numbers and wins incredible. But
because he doesn't outwardly says it doesn't matter that much
to him, even if it's a great place to be
in your work life balance, even if that speaks to
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gen z Okay, it misses the mark when you can
be carrying a sport and the WNBA trying to fight
old battles and using the wrong tone and the wrong approach,
all while constantly pushing against this idea of Caitlin Clark
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lifting your sport up of being among the games elite.
It's almost comical how both sides, both sports are tripping
all over themselves to find a superstar. The WNBA and
golf have both found it, and yet they can't capitalize
on it like on paper they probably should. Right This
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Speaker 1 (11:05):
WNBA All Star Game took place this weekend. Did any
of you guys watch bo Did you watch any of you
guys watch anybody?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I watched the first half and the festivites leading up
to it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Okay, so Sam helped me out again. I'm trying to
consume one because I don't like All Star games too.
I'm just gonna be as see you. It's the whole.
WNBA has always been a hard watch for me. I
enjoy watching Caitlin Clark play some but again a lot
of this is how it gets cycled into my phone,
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right because just like the rest of the world, I
have the bad habit of not paying attention to something
recruiting over the weekend and trying to not take the
perspective that's given through social media. But what was shared
was it was basically the the NBA All Star Game
without the athleticism and skill in that nobody played any
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sort of defense. Is that accurate?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah? Yeah, there wasn't much defense and there was a
lot of bricks. I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So let me get this straight. Okay, the WNBA has
this new superstar. Okay, it's new superstar, and they have
a chance, with all of the dysfunctions in other sports,
to capitalize on the momentum of the sport. And over
the weekend in Indianapolis, where one Caitlin Clark owns that
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town too, they've been selling out the Pacers Arena for
WNBA games and there's a tremendous basketball fan base in
general being in the state of Indiana. They came out
in the court with T shirts saying pay us, which
you owe us, and Caitland Clark didn't play, and then
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they played a worse version of the NBA All Star Game,
which everybody has rightfully been critical of, And after the
game there was then subtle jabs thrown at Kaitlyn Clark
and her team for not participating in a discussion about
said T shirts before they reward. How did I do?
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Yep?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
That sums it up.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, So what's going to happen is at some point,
at some point even with Kitlin Clark, but the rest
of the league is going to run into a Hey,
we're back in that same predicament of not people not caring,
but people actually pushing it away, and it's going to
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be blamed. It will, without any questions, say hey, America
is male, chauvinistic, anti whatever, alternative lifestyle whatever, when that's
not what it is. Is there some of that? Yeah,
there's there's always going to be something. There's also reality
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to it. Right, Women are less athletic than men. It
is not at the jaw dropping athleticism that we're used
to seeing in professional basketball. It's just not their skill level,
though better than it's ever been, is not nor will
ever be, at the level of men. And yet they
want to compare themselves the salary to it. So there's
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part of that. There's a reality to it, a harsh
reality to it. But there's also hey, last year you
had the Olympics, you chose not to bring Caitlin Clark,
and so people like myself said, not only am I
not appointment viewing, I'm actually going to make sure that
I don't watch because it's just gross that they don't
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really want to embrace their growth in their own game.
And then with the T shirts, look I get there's
the reality of them only getting I think it's nine
percent of a revenue share. And of course every Moody
on social media likes to smartly point out that, hey,
you lost forty million last year as a league, so
if you want to share the revenue, should you share
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the revenue losses? And of course the NBA subsidizes it.
And then you know, women will tell you. Women of
the WNBA will tell you like, hey, look, if the
new TV deal goes in effect. When the new TV
deal goes in effect, we get very little of it.
And these owners are now going to be made whole
on some level because of it, asking for more, asking
(15:34):
for a spot at the table, asking for the chance
to get a higher percentage of the revenue is very reasonable. Hey,
we're doing way better now than we used to. We're
flying in charters, we're on commercials, we're doing better than
we used to. Can we continue to make it better
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for women of the WNBA? Is different than pay us
what you owe us, because exacting and extracting that revenge payment,
if you will, is exactly how we feel. I would
just say, as the average consumer, the average sports fan,
it's like, hey, now you got to give us the
attention that you owe us. We don't owe you anything.
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No one owes you anything. Some of it is semantics.
It's just one word. The word is oh. It's oh,
nobody owes you anything, zero, zilch zip, nada. Had they
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simply said, you know, pay us as we earn it,
think of how that would have landed. Think of how
that lands. Or even pay us what we've earned lands better.
It still doesn't land great, but lands better. Then pay
us what you owe us, Oh, reeks of entitlement. Oh
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is paying for the past When anybody who's followed this
league at all will say, like, owe you We've been
bleeding money for twenty five years. I don't know you nothing.
But it's more how it actually lands with the people
you're trying to win over. None of that has any
effect on negotiations. Negotiations are really just about hey, are
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you unified? Do you have is your union ready to
await for walk away from checks? If you're ready to
walk away from checks and you're you're ready to run
the you know, have the danger of walking away from checks,
if you're willing to do that, well, hey, this is
getting this, this will get interesting. Doesn't that have any
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But this is about winning the room, or maybe not
even winning the room. This is about winning in public perception,
which does have value. It does have value. Public perception
absolutely has value. Maybe not to the extent that the
women of the WNBA think or understand, but it has value.
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On the other hand, using a word like oh, it
just lands terribly, I don't know anybody who looked at
it and goes like, yeah, that's great, that's great. Sam,
you are the biggest WNBA fan and really a kingle
Clark fan, you know, you and Monse you're the two
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biggest at the network.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
And Martin Weiss big fan, big fan.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, again, I'm gonna warn you guys, be cautious to
not it's like guys on social media when it's like
a Saturday morning and they start tech, they start tweeting
about uwave football, Like you're like, if that's what you
love and you're covering the NFL, you're showing you really
don't care as much about it. It's just a job
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to you. It's that's that's it. That's a Titanic you're
going to sink on. So it's cool to love it
and enjoy it, but just know, like becoming a w
NBA leading sports radio shows consecutively continually when real, when
other sports matter, it's not a great way to live.
That said, how did how'd those shirts slam? With you?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Man?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
It They're controversial for sure, I mean for all the
reasons you said, you know, and then but then you
listen to the people calling the game and they had
their own explanation for it and reasons why they were
wearing the shirt. And but I think it's a little
too soon to be like demanding so much. Give it
another four or five years. So I think that then
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you get to the point where you're like, Okay, pay
us what we deserve now there's there is a lot
of money floating around and both said it. We had
a bo Bens and our executive producer today had a
great term, you know, accounting magic. I think magical accounting. Yeah,
the money's out there somewhere, but I just don't know
if it's you know, at this point, it should be
all put up front at this you know for the players.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
No, listen, we all listen. We all want to focus
on the forty million dollars lost by the league. Okay,
And every good business tries to look like they don't
make any money because they don't play any taxes. If
we lose money, great, right, Like NBA teams will tell you.
You know, Mark Cuban when he sold sold the Mavericks,
(20:34):
I lost hundreds of you know, hundreds of millions of
dollars and then you end up making it back on
the sale the team. The difference is in this league
you generally don't make money even when you sell the team,
or to this point, you haven't made money when you
sell the team. That's why they have to create more
teams because that's the way to get more money to
the owners, and you get it through franchise fees. So
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I agree with the there is some cute accounting taking
place that leads you to believe it loses more money
than it probably loses. That said, everyone knows the w
NBA loses money and the word oh is not only
entitlement but the past. And that's not what you're trying
to capitalize on. Rick Kicker joins us Fox Sports One
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and Fox Sports Radio. NBA Insatury joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's uh, let's
get to the league. As Marcus Smart now member of
the of the Lakers, what does that do for the Lakers?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Look? Is it gonna help? Sure? But I I feel
and I've always been a Marcus Smart fan. I it's
I don't want to say it's a desperate move, but
I don't know how excited anybody should get over where
Marcus Smart is at this point. And what I really
(21:54):
am curious about is the chemistry between Smart and Lebron
and Luca uh and to a lesser extent, JJ. Marcus
has always been about kind of playing at both ends
and holding you know, bigger players, guys with bigger names
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accountable when he has played with and he hasn't been
afraid to speak his mind or call them out. And
I don't know that personality has changed, even though his
game has declined somewhat. And that's where I'll be. It
makes them very interesting. I'll be interested. But that makes
them a chemistry experiment that I'm not sure is going
to turn out the way the Lakers fans with hope
(22:37):
it would.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, it's it's weird. Uh. Any chance they move Lebron
before the season starts.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I just I don't. I don't see it. I know
it's out there, I know that they would be open
to it. I just don't see a world in which
Lebron is going to a place where it makes sense
for him. He's still if he's going to have any cachet,
it is going to be with the Lakers more than
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any place else. And it really doesn't make sense for
any of the other teams, especially when it comes to
a trade, like what are you giving up? How do
you You're gonna have to give up something just to
match the contract. That's where his opting in. You can't
opt in and say I'm still playing for championships. If
you wanted to play for championships, you've got to go
someplace where you're picking your spot. You're signing a deal
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that makes physcal sense for the team more so than
for yourself. And then then that provides that opportunity opting
in almost practically eliminates that for any team that considers
itself a title contender.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, so help me out with the Warriors, They've done
so little. It seems like everybody's waiting on something to happen. Yeah,
why has anything happened yet?
Speaker 7 (24:01):
A big part of it is is trying to figure
out what they can get for uh, for Jonathan Kaminga
and there's not a great market out there. It's really
trying to make a deal that that improves them. And
that's the big that's the big piece right here that
they're that they're sort of sitting on, is trying to
(24:23):
figure that out. But there look, here's the reality they're
up against it. They Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry alone
take up three fourths of their salary cap room. You
add Draymond Green to that and it's nine tenths. So
the flexibility that they have is severely limited because of
(24:49):
what they are paying their top three players. And unless
you're going to move one of those, which there there
is no plan to do that. They're really up against
it in terms of making improving this team and making
it make physical sense unless they're able to turn Kminga
into UH into something. And right now there's just there's
not a market because people don't want to pay what
(25:14):
Kaminga thinks he's worth. And so I think that you know,
at this point, it's it's going to be he's gonna
sign that he's going to have that extension, UH, the
restricted pre agent extension, and then potentially be an unrestricted
pre agent next summer. That that at least is the
way it is looking right now. Everybody that I talked
(25:35):
to around the.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
League, Rick Berger joining us here on the on the
Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio, UH, okay, then
you got the East, which you know Celtics looks like
you kind of got a pause for a year. Terms
of competing pacers, obviously the same. We know what the
Bucks are trying to do, and yet we're still waiting
on a full commitment from Jannis. Like a fool like
(25:58):
I'm in, don't call. Will we get that?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I would expect that they will, because I don't know
that there's anything out there that makes more sense than
what he has in Milwaukee, and I would take Damian
Lillard going back to Portland as a cautionary tale that's
right in Giannis's face, which is you are beloved in Milwaukee.
You've actually done more than Damien did in Portland. You
(26:23):
brought them a championship. You're still at an age, and
you're with a GM who is demonstrated he's capable of
putting a championship caliber roster around you. You can go
someplace else. There's no guarantee that you're winning a championship,
and if you do, it's going to be discounted because
you went someplace else to join someone else, as opposed
(26:45):
to you stick around and you take another stab at it,
and if you win a second one, it's almost like,
you know, Steph Winn winning championship in twenty two, twenty
three's it takes you over the top in terms of
where you are and your legacy in Milwaukee. I don't
know if there's any place else where he can go
(27:06):
unless he wins multiple championships that he could that he
could he could raise his bar more so than staying
in Milwaukee and potentially winning winning another title or just
just being able to compete for one and then the
reason that he hasn't fully committed is because he's looking
(27:27):
at it saying, Okay, I don't see anything out there,
but why you know, let's let's see if anything comes
up that makes sense that there's something there's somewhere that
I could go that could potentially be better than what
I have. There's there. I don't see where he feels
that there's an urgency there, but I don't know that
(27:48):
it means that like he's torn. I think the wrong
read is to suggest that he's he's really conflicted. He
wants to leave Milwaukee, but he can't find the place
to go to. I think it's more a matter of
he's ready to stay in Milwaukee, but wants to leave
his options open to see if possibly something better could arise.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, I semantics matter. It really matters to those
of us, you know, like yourself, when we're kind of
breaking down what people say, what they write, and what
it all means, but also matters in terms of perception.
I felt like the flaw in the w NBA with
the T shirts, there's there's a lot right they just
(28:35):
they still can't embrace Caitlyn Clark. They're very much pushing back,
but just in the pay us what you owe us. Yeah,
the the O makes people think of entitlement. It also
makes you think that there's some wrong done to women
in the past that most of us. And again, like
(28:58):
the women's deal isn't particularly good good right, it just isn't.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Part of it was they weren't making money, so whatever,
It's not a particular deal, so not wrong. But I
think the mistake is in the oh US instead of
saying what we will earn? How did land for you?
When you saw those T shirts this weekend?
Speaker 7 (29:17):
You know what, Honestly it felt a lot like the
slogans and the the T shirts in the bubble that
can the concessions that the players made to play in
the bubble so that we can wear T shirts and
we can have slogans on the court. And I felt like, Okay,
(29:40):
I understand, I understand what you guys are going for.
Are you, in today's market worth more than you're getting paid. Yeah,
there's an argument to be made for that, But I
think you make a great point in terms of it
feels like that they've been persecuted up to this point,
and the reality is there's this conflict between. You know what,
(30:02):
the reason that you're you're now have the attention that
you do is because of one person that you seemingly
can't embrace, because she recognizes that she's different than the
rest of you, and she is protecting that status. She's
not going to join She's not she's not one of
the girls.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
She came in, she's been treated a certain way. She's
going to stand on her own brand, in her own position.
It's not that she's not a teammate with a teammate
with her, with her her team, but this idea that
she's got to like fall in line with everybody in
the WNBA who was already there. I don't see Caitlin
catering to that, nor do I think that she should,
(30:45):
because she's the reason where they are. So it's like,
I'm not bringing myself down to your level. Yet we're
not talking about as basketball players. We're talking about as
brand and and attractions. I have more pulled than you do.
And honestly, if the WNBA players knew their history and
(31:06):
had put some forethought into this and really wanted to
use the All Star Game as a platform, they would
have done what the NBA players did back in the
Oscar robertson Bob Coosey days, which is they played the
All Star Game and they wanted their players union. They
wanted the players union recognized. They wanted to be able
(31:30):
to collectively bargain for better terms, better relationship with the owners.
And so they played the first half of the All
Star Game and at halftime they said, unless you recognize
the players Union, unless we're able to collectively bargain, we're
not coming out and play in the second half. And
(31:50):
the owners the owners caved, And that's how the Players
Union that provides everything that it does today for the
player That's how it was formed. So if you want,
if you're really about this business, if you really want,
like if you want things to change, then you're gonna
have to go to the wall and be cutthroat about it.
(32:11):
And you can't go out there wearing a T shirt.
Think I get where they are, that they think they
did something bold, but the reality is this is business
and you are dealing with billionaire businessman. They're gonna laugh
at the idea that you're somehow going to influence them
by wearing a T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
He's Rick Buker. He works for Fox Sports and Fox
Sports One. He joins us every week in the Doug
Galllip Show. If you get the best, man, I really
appreciate your time. You got it all right. We'll turn
to some football up coming next. Wait to hear what
Jerry Jones said. Is it a big deal, a little
deal or no deal? Bye out next.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
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things NFL to start of next hour. But before we
get to our game, let's get to our play of
the day. Scotti Scheffler for Birdie at eighteen.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
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The moment awaits to tap in.
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Speaker 6 (33:43):
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Speaker 1 (33:56):
That's our Tyraq play of the day. Scotty Scheffler just dominant,
but as has been set by the people, just doesn't
want to embrace the idea of being a superstar and
helping his sport out, which he's allowed to do, but
the sport suffers because of it. Let's get to the game.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Isaac Loo and kron I Lo. What's the game today?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Doug deal me in, big deal, little deal, no deal soon.
Speaker 9 (34:31):
Today Dallas Cowboys star linebacker Micah Parsons reported to training camp.
This is the final year of his contracts, so he
still remains without a contract extension. And then today Cowboys
owner Jerry Jones, among others, held their typical start of
(34:52):
training camp news conference, and Jerry Jones made a series
of well Jerry Jones like statements about Micah Parson's contract situation,
including this one in which he refers to Michah Parsons
as and I quote Michael Parson, listen closely.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Of all the players that I've ever negotiated with, Michael
Parson is as savvy and knowledgeable and understanding of his
financial business relative to football as any player I've ever
been around. I've talked with people that have talked to him.
Let's put it like that. You know, I don't necessarily
(35:34):
talk to these agents, So I don't necessarily talk to attorneys,
and I do stuff everywhere, and I don't necessarily talk
to the people that are hired to do certain things.
I talk to the principals ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 9 (35:47):
Jerry Jones being Jerry Jones, big deal, little deal or
no deal.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
It's a little deal. I mean it's going to be
a deal. That he called him Michael when Kirk Cousins
was leaving. Then Redskins Uh, the president of the team
called him Kirk Cousins. And we're all I tell people
all the time, like I almost didn't take the CBS
job because one of the executives CBS twice in a
meeting called me Dan.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
No way, I didn't know this story.
Speaker 9 (36:19):
I didn't know the story.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Well, I was sitting next to guy Dan Weinberg, and
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say who the who
the executive was, but he twice referenced me is you
know Dan? And I was just like, he just has
no idea who I am. Man, wasn't there offer me
a job? Huh?
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Wasn't there like a Steph Curry shoe negotiation where the
same thing happened?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
He told him Stephen Curry or Steve.
Speaker 9 (36:46):
Okay, it was. It was one of these where they
they put up a presentation for like a different dude
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
All Right, Yeah, it doesn't It doesn't land great when
you don't know my name.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
Michael Parson.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Michael Parson.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
Yeah, it's not like you just got one name wrong.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
He got both names wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
All right.
Speaker 9 (37:08):
Anyway, also said pot To, said Kettle, I hadn't heard
that one before about the raccoon, by the way, all right.
NFL Players Association JC Tretter resigned over the weekend, telling
CBS Sports quote, I'm resigning because this has gone too
far from me and my family, and I've sucked it
up for six weeks and I felt like I've been
(37:31):
kind of left in the wind taking shots for the
best of the organization. And in the end, what's the
organization done for me? Like nothing? Unquote. The resignation of
JC Tretder big deal, little deal or no deal.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well, it's a it's a no deal. Until you factor
in that the head of the NFLPA just resigned for
misappropriating funds. Right. Apparently, one of the things was he
he wrote off he got reimbursed for taking guys, taking
people to a strip club.
Speaker 9 (38:06):
For growing the union.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Oops, it's the general mess. It is a big deal
because again, in and of itself, not a big deal,
but when he combined it with other stuff in the union,
big deal. And that's game time.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
This is game time on the Dog Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Okay, so we know that Jerry does things at his
own path, but why again, why not negotiate with mikeah Parsons.
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