July 29, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug previews the Packers season as he broadcasts live from across from Packers Camp in Green Bay, WI. Doug welcomes Cheesehead TV Co-Founder Aaron Nagler onto the show to get all of the details about the Packers entering the season. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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are joining you live from green Bay, Wisconsin. You're like Doug,
You're always live at green Bay, Wisconsin. Yeah. But if
you're looking in the background, there there's the g right
that Slambo Field, and right behind me is the practice
field where the Green Bay Packers complete their practice of
the day. And we talk a lot about the pac today,
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talk about the pack Mary nag who's going to join us,
co founder of Cheesehead TV. We'll talk some Cleveland brown football,
Oh the Browns. Yeah. Also Rob Damovski is gonna join us.
Long time, long time, describe covering the Green Bay Package.
And then if you if you download the podcast at
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the top of when the show's done, so five on
the East two on the West coast, you can hear
my discussion with Kal Malsan, who for the CBS affiliate
covers the Green Bay Packers. So we're here in Green
Bay covering Green Bay Packer camp. We should be hitting
up the Chicago Bears, I believe, the Rams and the
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Chargers and maybe one more TBD in terms of little
training camp tour from your boy, and it's great. It's
an incredible place. If you haven't come to Green Bay before.
I tell people all the time it's almost a tourist
trap there in terms of getting into Lambeaufield and going
to a game. But training camp is much the same.
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Right if you if you're looking behind me, that that's
the road that the players ride kids' bikes on, and
you know to the outside of the stadium is where
the homes are. I mean, it's a real thing. It's
like they don't really do that. No, they really ride
the kids' bikes every day and the kids lead the bikes,
watch practice after practice, they ride the bikes back. Pretty cool.
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But I think this is a fascinating year for the
pack because two years ago there were no expectations of
Jordan Love. He exceeded them. They had the San Francisco
forty nine ers felt like dead to rights in the playoffs,
couldn't close last year. I don't think anybody would say
it wasn't disappointing. You lose your top or one of
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your top wide receivers to an ACL last game of
the year, Jordan Love turned the ball over a bit
too much and they lose rule in the playoffs, only
won one divisional game. Here's Jordan Love earlier today talking
about his team and getting through the draft.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It was definitely surprised, you know, going in that first round,
having the draft here at Green Bay and hearing them,
you know, markin Murfield, they're talking about for the first
time since two thousand and whatever, getting a receiver. So
I was pretty excited about that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Bringing in Matthew.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Golden Ring say from TCU and men, those are two
guys that I think are gonna add, you know, just
a more dynamic threat to our passing game. But like
you said, we got a lot of weapons.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What was and still is the youngest team in the
NFL now has experience and they've done what they hadn't
done since two thousand and two, which is draft a
talented wide receiver in the first round. It's like things
kind of stup. Then you look around the division, You're like,
year one with the Bears and a new coaching staff.
They probably don't take off. They're likely better, but not
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challenge for the division better. The Lions lose their coordinators,
lose a bunch of players. You do feel like this
is a year where the Lions maybe come back down
to earth. The Vikings lose their second quarterback in consecutive years,
and now it's gonna be Jj McCarthy who's technically second
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year but really a rookie. So the division, though good,
doesn't feel as strong at the top. The young team
gets experience, they finally go out and get a wide receiver.
It feels like you got a lot of things in
your favor. Is it a super Bowl team because the
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Niners have the Niners topped out?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Have they aged out? Then kind of look around the
NFC and you're like, oh, you know, I love the Eagles,
But the Eagles the year after the Super Bowl last
time around sort of fell apart. Did get to the playoffs,
and they got to replace their offensive coordinator and everything
went right for the Eagles. At some point, they won't
have one of those years where everybody performs at their
best and they don't get any injuries to their most
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important players. So it's a year of hope. It's a
year that's interesting. It's a year where the Packers have
done a couple of technically unpacker like things, like drafting
a wide receiver in the first round. It's a year
where you can no longer use the you know, we're young,
we don't have the experience argument. So is this the
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year or is it a year where people go like, yeah,
this this thing is not gonna work and let's figure
something else out. Uh, we'll get to that with Aaron
Agler and Niggler. He's gonna join us, co founder of
Chie's Head TV. He'll join us right here on set
in ten minutes. Uh, we do need to discuss the
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terrible shooting in New York City where gunman came in
looking for the NFL offices and for the most part
shoots up the wrong floor and uh, and people have
tragically passed away. Yeah, there's there's definitely the I don't
know if it's what's the word, guys, not juxtaposition, it's
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you're pulled in opposite directions here here where I am
at Packer Camp and the shadows of lambeau Field. You're
celebrating the NFL. On the other hand, there's the darker
side to the league where I know this wasn't a
former NFL player, but it is still the discussion of
football and what it does to the brain and what
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it has done for hundreds of years to people who
play football. And we can sit there and rightfully say, hey,
they're professional athletes. They sign up, they're playing a kid's
game and making a king's ransom for money. But over
the past fifty years, did high school college football players
know they were signing up to potentially have this type
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of damage done to the brain? I would think the
answer is no. And as much as you could sit
here and go like, hey, if your brain's giving that
much issue, you want to bring it up with the
NFL people, you want them to study it, why not
just go to the NFL offices without a gun and
just say, hey, I'm a former football player, can you
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find me help. But again, if you're suffering CTE or
something that feels like it might be ct your brain
is probably not working correctly, so you don't make the
correct type of processing decisions, all right, I don't know.
It's just sad. There's no other way to say it.
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And that's at the Blackstone Building and I mistakenly thought, okay, wait, CBS,
were you in Blackstone or black Rock? They were in
black Rock. I'm texting my CBS friends like, are you
guys okay? Anybody who knows, anybody who works in midtown
called them yesterday, Are you guys okay? Just so sad
and scary that when these terrible mass shootings that affect anybody,
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but now it affects sports and we feel like we
got to talk about it. And then it's CT and
the dark side of football. I don't know. You know,
you're left in a weird, precarious situation. Let's get back
to talking football.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
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Speaker 1 (08:07):
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. If you
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you know this song, This is the song they play
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Sam play it. Well, that's because he knows, he knows
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Speaker 3 (08:38):
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We're all over the place. Doug.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's funny. Once you said you would come on today
after Packers practice, Doug gotleap Show live here at Agravia
Packers training camp. I started to go like, wait, I've been.
I've had Aaron on for like, I don't know, a decade.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Maybe it's just saying to your there, we've been. I
used to come to your studio in New York.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah yeah, when I was at CBS, right, so, I
think the first time I had you on might have
been ESPN right at the end, and then CBS and
now in the Fox and forever. You were like, hey,
come out and and I was like, oh, get there.
I went to seven games last year. I was like,
I like season tickets with that. Ever, that was great.
(09:24):
It was it was awesome and it's it's interesting there.
There's such a like Kansas City kind of a college spirit,
especially in the Lower Bowl and different places you sit
in Lambeau is a different.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Experience, especially if you go to the South End zone
with some of the newer seats. It's a very different
vibe than what you're talking about, right, Like down in
the old School Bowl, no bleach, Like it's just bleachers.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Everybody's but everybody's really into the game. In fairness. When
I sat in the Lower Bowl, it was the Texans game,
which is a great, great game. Weather was good, game
was good, crowd is a amazing the cold weather games.
I did sit in the club section and and everybody's like, so,
what's the club section? So it's indoors. No, but you
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can go walk indoors. It's easy to get indoors. You
walk into the club seats. But the other part that
I didn't know, I didn't know everybody has these electric fests.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Although that's all the rage now, Oh my gosh, that's amazing,
and they are fantastic. The guy in California makes them.
They're phenomenal. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It is, so I got all kinds of the tricks,
all right this year, Like I hate the Super Bowl
or bust, but it does feel like maybe not super
Bowl bust, but man, you gotta be right there.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And it's the expectation. It's certainly the expectation.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And that's not unrealistic, right affairs at all.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I Mean, here's the trick and what I'm fascinated to
find out kind of how they get there. If they
get there, they're very clearly and you know this, you've
watched the Packers operate for a long time. They're very
clearly all in on draft and developed to the point
where they know they need at least two or three
guys internally to become maybe not superstars, but field tilters,
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guys who make our difference makers. Right. I think we
saw glimpses of that last year with say Edrin Cooper
the linebacker. You know, guys who the talent's clearly there,
they've got a blossom. And whether you're talking about Matthew
Golden who's started camp on fire, or a guy like Cooper, like,
they need a handful of these guys to become difference
makers if they want to truly challenge for a championship.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Can they pressure the passer?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I think it's looking better so far now it's only
two days.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Was dipping your toes like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I mean, look, they didn't really take any big swings
as far as augmenting the actual personnel. I know they
have a new defensive line coach new I guess approach upfront,
But which is what that year we're gonna find out?
Like that's that's the kind of thing. That's why I
come to camp, right is Like I will say, Lucas
van Ness has been a disappointment two years into his
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pro career, but this start of camp he has been
the trademark, you know, quietly having a good start to camp.
You never want to say that because inevitably then they
kind of fall off the map, or they get hur disappointed,
they get hurt whatever. But I tell you what he
had to play today where he beat Rashid Walker in
a way that he was not doing two years ago
or even last year. And then he had another where
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he's in the backfield, slipped an attempted block and they
had Dobs on an attempt to end around. He grabbed
him with one hand and threw him on the ground.
Like that's the kind of thing you expected when you
took him thirteenth overall, So hopefully Green shoots there finally, Uh,
can they run the football? I don't think there's any
doubt they're going to continue to run the ball. I
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would love to see them maybe ease off on running
the ball a little bit. I mean last year they
were in the league leaders. I think top five as
far as running the ball. I'm first down. Now you
look at that top five, it's all teams that were
really successful. I understand, you know why Matt leaned into it,
specifically with Josh Jacobs. He's outstanding, right, But you know
when Bill Wolf said famously, the best down to throw
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the ball, and it is on first down. I would
like to see, you know, the floor, let love go
to the air a little bit more on first down.
But yeah, they're gonna run the ball and they're gonna
be really affective.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Aeroneglara my guest. He's the co founder and founder of
a Cheesehead TV. Check him out on all social media,
follow him, watch him on YouTube as well. He joins
This Doug Out Leap Show where live at Packers camp
here in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I ask about Josh Jacobs
because I'm trying to figure out what was missing that
they didn't want to give him the long term deal
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with the Raiders. Great, remember the Lakers Raiders were in turmoil.
They had question Okay, it is the Raiders, but you know,
like the SAQ one thing with the Giants was the
same thing with all these guys. It wasn't they didn't
want to give them a year or even two years.
It was they didn't want to give.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Him three three guarantees.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They want to gi him three guarantees because guys always break down,
especially after a go.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And that you talk about Jacobs specifically, that was the
shoe with the Raiders because he came off that season
where he led the league in rushing, and then that
final year with the Raiders. Now he didn't have a
whole lot to work with upfront.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I mean that's what not just that, but they were
always behind. But run the football.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But he wasn't as effective. He certainly had a down
quote unquote year. But man, the Packers essentially swooped in
and made that change from Aaron Jones to Josh Jacobs,
and I contend they got.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Better, they got bet I don't think they got better
catching it out of the backfield. Aaron Jones is better
at that. They don't utilize him like I got it,
but they definitely got better in between the un certainly.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
But yeah, he will be. He will continue to be
a focal point of the offense. There's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Okay, then you have then you have Jordan Love you
do right who they supplied with a wide receiver who,
by all accounts is living up to anyone expected first
und pick. You can't say he doesn't have the experience anymore. No,
can't say he's young anymore. Nope, it's not a new system.
He's been the system for a year.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
He knows that system better than anybody in that building,
ex for Lafloor.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Do we know what he's like under this type of pressure?
And when I say pressure, I'm not talking about defensive pressure,
just the overall like, hey dude, we love yet.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It's time to carry the team, but it's time. It's
interesting because I do think Brian Gudicunst has very specifically
tried to change course in the sense that you know,
four thirty years here in Green Bay it has been
about the quarterback and all about the quarterback, and the
quarterback had to make things go and if he didn't,
they weren't winning games. Right. I think Brian is very
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intentionally tried to create a team that doesn't need the
quarterback to be superman. But that said, it's still the NFL,
is still twenty twenty five, and it still comes down
to quarterback play. And you know, yes, he had some
issues at wide receiver last year. They were in the
top of the league and drops, but certainly I think
Jordan would admit, you know, the injury certainly affected him
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and he wasn't nearly as efficient as you'd like him
to be. But I'll tell you what here at start
of camp, he's fully healthy there from day one on
Lake last year, and to my eyes, he looks ready
to go. Like he's certainly like you said, there's no
excuse as far as the weapons go, he's they've got
talent everywhere, and he looks in full command of the offense.
I mean, there's zero doubt that you talk about. There
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was a play today where Musgrave's going over the middle
and he sat down. He was clearly supposed to keep going,
and you know Jordan gave him a little not a
talking to, but certainly connected after the play and is
like look, this is the coverage, and you you got
to keep going like he's in command, you know what
I mean. So I don't think Luke.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm gonna text him Luke and.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
To ask him. Yeah, yeah, he'll say Jordan, Jordan gave
him one of these. You gotta be seeing what I see,
you know. But yeah, there's no doubt that this is
Jordan's year, Like, this is the year he this is
undoubtedly has to kind of lead this team to at
least championship contention.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, tell me if this makes sense. It's like again
as a college but it's like I got a junior okay,
but his freshman year where when you're a young starting
quarterback and you're replacing Aaron Rodgers, like you do anything well,
or like, oh my gosh, he's not terrible. Yeah, thank god.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He's thought it was gonna rue back to the Stone Age.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And then he's like pretty good, you give him a
new contract. And then last year there are times which
you spectatiy of times like what are you doing? Yeah,
and then you're like, well, okay, he's only again us
using the college analogy, only a sophomore.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
He got spoiled with Rogers. There's zero doubt. Yeah, there's
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah. Well it's like no one remembers like Farv coming up.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Thank you. I banged that drum all last season because
people were, you know, some of the he did. He
threw some boneheaded interceptions. But I'm like, does anyone remember
farv second year as a starter? Homegerd almost pulled him
for God's sake, you know. So it's just I know
we're in this age, this TikTok age where everything is
instant and gotta be now. But man, just a little breathing,
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a little patience, and like I said, I think this
year is when it starts to pay off with Jordan.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Love October twenty sixth Hell yeah, now you've lived this
in a previous life, right when Farv came back exactly now,
Aaron's not coming back. It's in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It was really pulling for him to sign with the
Vikings for that very reason.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It would have been so amazing. It's been so it
would have been so good. Are you going to the game.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I'm not. We're we do a YouTube watch party each
and every game, and so.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
The almighty dollars is going to keep you.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I got it, man, I have an audience there there
are expectations you could.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Zoom into the audience, but be you know whatever, I
will say, I don't know what they what they call
it now, by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I know I always call it three Verus Stadium. I
know it was for a while, but then heinz No,
it's Azure or something or other. I can't even remember now,
but I still call it three three Rivers because that's
you know, you go there and that's the vibe, like
it's so cool river again.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And so I've lived here for a calendar year. Nice
I could tell you the people that I come into
contact with it is still very mixed on erin well,
most of it is. It was just time.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's like, yeah, I mean, when it comes to the
football stuff, a billion percent, it was absolutely time. It
was probably time the year before. But I do think
there was some internal struggle there and they certainly, you know,
wanted to keep him around for another year while Jordan
got more kind of developed. But yeah, I mean, it's
just I don't want to say it was like pulling
a band aid off, but it was absolutely time to
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turn the page. Like there's it, and that's that feeling
around the fandom too. I talk about this a lot
on CHEESEAIDDV, where for so long they were kind of
banging their heads against the wall or just holding on
with their fingertips to the attempt to back to the
super Bowl with Aaron, and came very close in twenty twenty.
But man, those last two or three years, it was
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just like everything was a struggle to just try and try,
and they could just never close the deal. It was
such a breath of fresh air to move on, to
turn the page. And I think it was good for
Aaron too. I don't think, you know, he really had
much more to prove, and he knows how the packers
operate because he went through it with bread.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You just shouldn't choose the jets. Well, it's just one
of those like that was like one it does. It
draws the instant far of comparisons, obviously.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I how amazing was that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was amazing he was thinking about that and then
he want to go to the Vikings and You're like,
what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's like an episode of Black Mirror.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
It was what's black Mirrors? That is a great show?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Mirror.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Do you guys know Black Mirror? I don't as anybody
Sam Jay Stew are you guys familiar Black Black Mirror.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I've seen one episode. It's very good. That one episode
is very good. That one episode he saw it was great.
How many seasons, God, there's like eight or not, Like
it must be really good if it's last that phenomenal
sounds like an episode so like I have a preposition
to watch it, but I'm hooked. I love it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's great the division. Yes, Bears actually might have hired
somebody decently.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
They finally figured it out.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Although I don't know quarterback like i've.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Been Caleb Williams is gonna be really good. And I
know all the headlines coming out of Chicago as a
how he's struggling early. He's learned in a new system
like that, there's new offensive linemen like he'll he's talented
as hell. He's gonna figure it out and he's gonna
be good.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Unfortunate vikings you. It feels like that guy can coach
any quarterback, but now you have a rookie quarterback. Great coach,
but but he does coach a quarterback who did not
throw the football once in the second half against Penn State.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
She like, I think J. J.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
McCarthy's good. But if he's that good, like, wouldn't she
let him throw the ball well State?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And now he sat out of football for a year.
You know, it's like he's It's that situation in particular
is such a wild card because I do think they're
clearly very talented and they have all the horses they
need if the quarterback can produce, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, and then you have Detroit, who has you know,
come from nowhere to being a super Bowl right, but
they did lose a lot and they lost their coordinators,
and you know, it'll be interesting to see what that looks.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I love that the Packers are opening up with them
week one. First time Matt's been able to open at home,
which is kind of wild to think about. It's a
first home opener under the floor, like season opener at Lambeau.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's such a we we mentioned it, and I remember
we did some on the podcast as well. Doug Gotlieb
show Fox Sports for v Nagular joined me. She said,
TV there's there's two things about Lambeau Field. Again, I
I don't profess to be an.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Expert, you are an expert.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Two things that I think people don't know it's so
far is this way. Believe it or not, it's this way,
and that where you sit is a completely different experience.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
You know, if you sit in the lower bowl, you're
in it. There's no cell phones out, there's no selfies,
there's no nothing. It's about the game and nothing else.
And when and you better high five that dude next
to you. Yeah, and then it is a communal experience,
right and then okay, and but the other part is
what time of year you go to a game. It's
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a completely different vibe too. I went to the Colts game,
which was the opener last year, and it was like
eighty three. Well, I mean for eighty three.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It was hot. It was it was it was hot,
and people were like falling out. Then you go Christmas
time when you're playing the Saints and you better be
better be bundled. It may change. Okay, So how does
early season against the Lions set that whole tone for
the season.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, what's interesting about that matchup is how well Dan
Campbell's squad has done against Matt Lafleur's team, no matter
what the personnel is. I mean, Rogers last game one
hundred percent, where all they got to do is win
that game get in the playoffs, and they can't do it.
Campbell has been a thorn in Matt's side. And outside
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of I want to say that Thanksgiving game where they
took the deep shot to Watson first play the game
and they end up winning that one. Outside of that game,
Campbell's had his number. So I think for Matt there's
probably a very real sense of I not only have
to get off on the right foot it's a divisional
game home opener, but man, Dan Campbell has been the bully.
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He's got to turn that around. Start And that's great
that that's the challenge week one.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
All right, give me one Green Bay Packer that unless
you've come to camp, you don't know how excited you
should be about this player.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh man, there are a couple guys. I'll go with
na Zero Stackhouse, who's an undrafted defensive tackle out of Georgia.
He has been outstanding all every practice I've watched. I
mean from the start with the unpadded stuff to now
the pads are on the last couple of days. Uh,
he had what would have been two big sacks today.
He was stuff and everything at the line of scrimmage yesterday.
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I mean for a team that lost, you know, a
couple of the component components in their run defense last year.
You get an undrafted kid who looks this good un
zero Stackhouse looks like the real deal, and I expect
he'll a good chance he'll make the fifty three and
he'll contribute.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I think the most important information you can share I
can cause I can give my Hey if I'm coming
to town for Packer game, because it is, it's kind
of a national landmark. You do. You'll sit there kind
it is well, you'll be at a game, right and
you're like, wait, I'm at lambeau Field. But there'll also
be somebody from LA, someone from New York, somebody from overseas,
a bucket list, you know, a lot of people like
(25:04):
I gotta go to a Packer game. If you were
setting up somebody's itinerary, because I'll take mine, would be
I would stay here Legacy Hotel. Hotel can't go wrong here,
right totally. And sixth floor you come up to the crest.
I think it's like the best view bar Saturday night
four game. Where would you send somebody to eat and
(25:27):
to hang and to drink when they're in uh when
when they're in the.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Green Bay, Wisconsin for a game, I will plug the
YouTube channel and say make sure you check out Aaron
Negli's top five things to do in Green Bay. As
a friend of mine pointed out, most of it is
just bars. So you know the drunkest town in America, right,
is always one of them, no doubt about it. But
I will say I love all the old school stuff
like Nicky's Lions. Lion's Head into Peer is like a
spot where like the Packers and Lombardes era used to
(25:53):
go and have a few after practice, right. I love
that vibe. The place like that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
To peer for people who from Green Bay. It's like
the southern south eastern most suburbs sort of of green
Bay attached. There's like a loop of freeways that's around
the inner part of the city and then the outer
the outer rim, the south eastern side is up here.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Go ahead, yep, I love that spot. There's a restaurant
you're talking about eating. There's a restaurant north North, north
part of town that's called Blue that Corey Banking, my
co founder.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That's not north, that's south.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Is it south?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah? That's in Bellevue where. Yes, I love Blue Good.
That was that's my spot too. I love that.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Corey took me there, and it's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's really it's really good.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Coming from New York, I'm like, all right, nor restaurant.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Listen, listen, there's the stand. It's really good. It's really good,
really good. And you don't know you're in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Not really because it's outside enough that like, well, it's
it's like it's.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Like built in like almost like a colonial type almost
like a colonial house, and then you can't sall wooded.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I will say, though, this is true. When we went
there a couple of years ago, I was, you know,
I get so conscious about what I'm wearing out and
about like, you know, I'm out in New York. I'm like,
if I go out to eat, if I go out
to eat, I want to look nice. So we're a
collared shirt, blah blah blah. And so I brought all
these clothes when I came to visit it and we're
going to Blue It's this nice restaurant. Oh yeah, okay,
(27:22):
So I wear the stuff and Corey's like, what are
you doing. I'm like, I gotta look nice.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah jeans. We roll up.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Guy in front of us making like asking for a
table is wearing a Megadeth T shirt. I'm like, yep,
I'm back in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yes, and he probably owns like from something success as well. Right,
and he's got a Mega de shirt, Megadeth shirt, getting
a nice spotted blues Okay, so we got a bar,
we got a restaurant, late night bar or or late
night music, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
And I'm in Green Bay. I'm not as juiced in
as I used to be. I will say though, I
will always look to see if hang ten is playing.
They're a local band that is phenomenal and they just
had a singles release just came out this past Friday.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Hang ten local band. They're awesome. Okay, did not know that,
but be on the lookout. Training can't content. Oh yeah
before it came over here. Okay, it's good and you
have top five things to do. He's Aaron Agler, He's
we we've been friends forever, but friends usually on the
phone now in person. And I moved to his town
and while I'm back at the yard, right, that makes
(28:23):
complete sense.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
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get to game time with Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
This is Game two on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Hello Doug.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
The game today is Rank them all?
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Right, Doug ranked the three most important Green Bay Packers
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's a great question, great question I have. Okay, I'm
gonna go with Brandon McManus at three.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
McManus joined the team mid season last year at a
really good year. But if you don't have a kicker,
it doesn't Nothing matters in this sport, right, and they
struggled last season before they added McManus. Number two is
going to be Josh Jacobs. They want to run football.
He had a tremendous season last year, but can he
(30:03):
do it two consecutive years? That'd be big And Number
one short.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Love not a not a surprise of the quarterback at
number one in his health. Obviously it was an issue
a little bit last year with that opening week injury.
We'll see how the Packers fair. I would have flip
flopped one and two just to be different, because I
think that I think they could do something special with
uh if Josh Jacobs continues to be what he has
(30:28):
been in the NFL. All right, Doug, branching off of
this one, ranked the top three packers you think of
when you think of all time packers. There's a reason
why I'm asking this question. As a native of Wisconsin,
I am.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I would love you, I would love your I think
your list is probably better than mine. But just again,
as a I was born in Milwaukee, as always a packer,
Fanish and now obviously full full convert to the chiefs
head nation.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I would say this. Growing up, Bart Starr and Ray
NICHKEI were in that top three.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, it's just hard for me. I mean, I correct
you know, so I'm not. I wouldn't do those because
I'd be lying to you.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Well.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I also think that the yeah time is, time has so.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Here's the ones I will do. Sterling Sharp three, Aaron
Rodgers two, and Brett Farv one.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Mm hmm, Iowa Sam as a Packers fan? Are you
good with those? When you think of Packers, you think
of those three right off the bat?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
You know, yeah you could?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean both far Van Rodgers won one Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Maybe you could take one of them out. Put in, uh,
somebody else.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Bart Starr, Jordan Nelson, Where are we going? Jim Dickey,
Paul Kaufman, A bunch of different ones, all right. Reggie White,
Reggie White, that'd be a good one. I just started
to try to name old Packers. Eddie Lee, Ivory, Max McGee, Yes,
there you go, only for his hungover Super Bowl performance.
(32:04):
Jesse Clark was an old Packer's running back. Met him
outside of lambeau Field when I was about six or
seven years old. We went to the Green Bay Packer
Hall of Fame for a family trip and got Jesse
Clark's autograph. I'll never forget that, all right, Doug. Rank
the top three sports that you care about right now?
(32:24):
Are we in the dog days of summer? Is that
where we are? Right?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And I care about?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I care about three is college basketball. I care about
my team and my team's schedule we're trying to put together.
We think we finalized it here this week. My team's roster,
so college basketball, three, college football too. I'm starting to
get fired up checking out schedules, What games can I
get to? What games I want to have people over
(32:52):
to watch. I mean, who doesn't love college football. It's weird.
It's different, right, You're not seeing guys matriculate the same schools,
but it's still college football. I love it, and number
one is NFL football. I actually care. Now. I'm going
to Brewers Cubs tomorrow. That's why I'm off tomorrow, so
I may end up going. Like after, you know, you
go to one baseball game, and especially one of that
(33:13):
variety in the sold out park, you very quickly like, Okay,
now I'm into baseball and.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Maybe it'll kick out college basketball.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know, probably now I won't kick it out, but again,
what's important to me. I'm like trying to build my
team or our team isn't here, so it's not as
top of mind, but I'm still doing something every day.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I was gonna say, I was shocked to college basketball
wasn't one any Sam Jason, do you think college hoops
is going to be number one. I thought it was,
but hey, we'll see. We'll see if it sticks around
to the top three tomorrow with the Beasts of the
NL Central Battle American.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Because what's fascinating is I just started kind of I know,
college teams just started reporting, but I I, you know,
so many new people in so many new places that
over the past couple of days, I've started to kind
of dig in on, like, so, who's playing quarterback here?
And who do they have and is he any good?
(34:12):
So that's where I say my level of sure of important.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
For college football as well, you know, yeah for sure,
all right? Doug trade deadline for Major League Baseball's later
this week ranked the three best trade deadlines in sports.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, baseball has adjusted. Remember they had the waiver the
waiver deadline after it previously, Yes, and that was super weird, Like, wait,
this is the trade deadline, but there's a way to
get other ones.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yes, if a player would have cleared waivers, then you
could acquire that player.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I still think baseball is trade deadline is one. I'll
work back one and then I'll do NBA trade trade
deadline two. Uh, and then I guess, oh, well, they
don't trade call it with the portal, but.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Sure, you could have a transfer window with soccer. You
could have the w NBA trade deadline. I do think
that the NFL has gotten more interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Interesting, but generally there's like one good trade to you. Yep,
I'll go baseball, then NBA basketball, then NFL football.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
All right, finally, Doug, it's National Chicken Wing Day today.
Rank your top three chicken forms? Like, are we talking wings?
Were talking boneless? We talk in sandwich, We're talking tenders
talking on the bone. What is the best chicken form
for you on National Chicken Wing Day?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, I mean fried chicken is the best. It's just
terrible for you.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Right, chicken in the air fryers probably one, but I
mean really, I mean again, So here's what I'll do. Okay.
I am an expert on chicken, expert on chicken. Okay,
So here's the three best ways to make chicken. Okay, chick,
we'll put it three. Only the health issues or what
puts it at three? All right? I think grilled chicken
(36:10):
is a two, and you're like, what grilled chicken is too?
I love grilled chicken, but not everybody does. I think
roasted chicken is the best. Yeah, yeah, it really does.
You put a bunch of seasonings on it, and when
you ate till the skin gets really crispy, so good,
and then I'm a dark meat guy. I think the
(36:31):
thigh is the best actual piece of meat. And that's
game time all right. Coming up next to the Doug
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(00:28):
are joining you live from green Bay, Wisconsin. You're like Doug,
You're always live at green Bay, Wisconsin. Yeah. But if
you're looking in the background, there there's the g right
that Slambo Field, and right behind me is the practice
field where the Green Bay Packers complete their practice of
the day. And we talk a lot about the pac today,
(00:50):
talk about the pack Mary nag who's going to join us,
co founder of Cheesehead TV. We'll talk some Cleveland brown football,
Oh the Browns. Yeah. Also Rob Damovski is gonna join us.
Long time, long time, describe covering the Green Bay Package.
And then if you if you download the podcast at
(01:13):
the top of when the show's done, so five on
the East two on the West coast, you can hear
my discussion with Kal Malsan, who for the CBS affiliate
covers the Green Bay Packers. So we're here in Green
Bay covering Green Bay Packer camp. We should be hitting
up the Chicago Bears, I believe, the Rams and the
(01:34):
Chargers and maybe one more TBD in terms of little
training camp tour from your boy, and it's great. It's
an incredible place. If you haven't come to Green Bay before.
I tell people all the time it's almost a tourist
trap there in terms of getting into Lambeaufield and going
to a game. But training camp is much the same.
(01:57):
Right if you if you're looking behind me, that that's
the road that the players ride kids' bikes on, and
you know to the outside of the stadium is where
the homes are. I mean, it's a real thing. It's
like they don't really do that. No, they really ride
the kids' bikes every day and the kids lead the bikes,
watch practice after practice, they ride the bikes back. Pretty cool.
(02:23):
But I think this is a fascinating year for the
pack because two years ago there were no expectations of
Jordan Love. He exceeded them. They had the San Francisco
forty nine ers felt like dead to rights in the playoffs,
couldn't close last year. I don't think anybody would say
it wasn't disappointing. You lose your top or one of
(02:43):
your top wide receivers to an ACL last game of
the year, Jordan Love turned the ball over a bit
too much and they lose rule in the playoffs, only
won one divisional game. Here's Jordan Love earlier today talking
about his team and getting through the draft.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It was definitely surprised, you know, going in that first round,
having the draft here at Green Bay and hearing them,
you know, markin Murfield, they're talking about for the first
time since two thousand and whatever, getting a receiver. So
I was pretty excited about that.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Bringing in Matthew.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Golden Ring say from TCU and men, those are two
guys that I think are gonna add, you know, just
a more dynamic threat to our passing game. But like
you said, we got a lot of weapons.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What was and still is the youngest team in the
NFL now has experience and they've done what they hadn't
done since two thousand and two, which is draft a
talented wide receiver in the first round. It's like things
kind of stup. Then you look around the division, You're like,
year one with the Bears and a new coaching staff.
They probably don't take off. They're likely better, but not
(03:43):
challenge for the division better. The Lions lose their coordinators,
lose a bunch of players. You do feel like this
is a year where the Lions maybe come back down
to earth. The Vikings lose their second quarterback in consecutive years,
and now it's gonna be Jj McCarthy who's technically second
(04:03):
year but really a rookie. So the division, though good,
doesn't feel as strong at the top. The young team
gets experience, they finally go out and get a wide receiver.
It feels like you got a lot of things in
your favor. Is it a super Bowl team because the
(04:27):
Niners have the Niners topped out?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Have they aged out? Then kind of look around the
NFC and you're like, oh, you know, I love the Eagles,
But the Eagles the year after the Super Bowl last
time around sort of fell apart. Did get to the playoffs,
and they got to replace their offensive coordinator and everything
went right for the Eagles. At some point, they won't
have one of those years where everybody performs at their
best and they don't get any injuries to their most
(04:52):
important players. So it's a year of hope. It's a
year that's interesting. It's a year where the Packers have
done a couple of technically unpacker like things, like drafting
a wide receiver in the first round. It's a year
where you can no longer use the you know, we're young,
we don't have the experience argument. So is this the
(05:15):
year or is it a year where people go like, yeah,
this this thing is not gonna work and let's figure
something else out. Uh, we'll get to that with Aaron
Agler and Niggler. He's gonna join us, co founder of
Chie's Head TV. He'll join us right here on set
in ten minutes. Uh, we do need to discuss the
(05:36):
terrible shooting in New York City where gunman came in
looking for the NFL offices and for the most part
shoots up the wrong floor and uh, and people have
tragically passed away. Yeah, there's there's definitely the I don't
know if it's what's the word, guys, not juxtaposition, it's
(05:57):
you're pulled in opposite directions here here where I am
at Packer Camp and the shadows of lambeau Field. You're
celebrating the NFL. On the other hand, there's the darker
side to the league where I know this wasn't a
former NFL player, but it is still the discussion of
football and what it does to the brain and what
(06:18):
it has done for hundreds of years to people who
play football. And we can sit there and rightfully say, hey,
they're professional athletes. They sign up, they're playing a kid's
game and making a king's ransom for money. But over
the past fifty years, did high school college football players
know they were signing up to potentially have this type
(06:38):
of damage done to the brain? I would think the
answer is no. And as much as you could sit
here and go like, hey, if your brain's giving that
much issue, you want to bring it up with the
NFL people, you want them to study it, why not
just go to the NFL offices without a gun and
just say, hey, I'm a former football player, can you
(06:59):
find me help. But again, if you're suffering CTE or
something that feels like it might be ct your brain
is probably not working correctly, so you don't make the
correct type of processing decisions, all right, I don't know.
It's just sad. There's no other way to say it.
(07:19):
And that's at the Blackstone Building and I mistakenly thought, okay, wait, CBS,
were you in Blackstone or black Rock? They were in
black Rock. I'm texting my CBS friends like, are you
guys okay? Anybody who knows, anybody who works in midtown
called them yesterday, Are you guys okay? Just so sad
and scary that when these terrible mass shootings that affect anybody,
(07:42):
but now it affects sports and we feel like we
got to talk about it. And then it's CT and
the dark side of football. I don't know. You know,
you're left in a weird, precarious situation. Let's get back
to talking football.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
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Speaker 1 (08:07):
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. If you
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you know this song, This is the song they play
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Sam play it. Well, that's because he knows, he knows
the knows the deal, right. Aaron Agler joins US series
(08:30):
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Speaker 3 (08:38):
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Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's funny. Once you said you would come on today
after Packers practice, Doug gotleap Show live here at Agravia
Packers training camp. I started to go like, wait, I've been.
I've had Aaron on for like, I don't know, a decade.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Maybe it's just saying to your there, we've been. I
used to come to your studio in New York.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Yeah yeah, when I was at CBS, right, so, I
think the first time I had you on might have
been ESPN right at the end, and then CBS and
now in the Fox and forever. You were like, hey,
come out and and I was like, oh, get there.
I went to seven games last year. I was like,
I like season tickets with that. Ever, that was great.
(09:24):
It was it was awesome and it's it's interesting there.
There's such a like Kansas City kind of a college spirit,
especially in the Lower Bowl and different places you sit
in Lambeau is a different.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Experience, especially if you go to the South End zone
with some of the newer seats. It's a very different
vibe than what you're talking about, right, Like down in
the old School Bowl, no bleach, Like it's just bleachers.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Everybody's but everybody's really into the game. In fairness. When
I sat in the Lower Bowl, it was the Texans game,
which is a great, great game. Weather was good, game
was good, crowd is a amazing the cold weather games.
I did sit in the club section and and everybody's like, so,
what's the club section? So it's indoors. No, but you
(10:09):
can go walk indoors. It's easy to get indoors. You
walk into the club seats. But the other part that
I didn't know, I didn't know everybody has these electric fests.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Although that's all the rage now, Oh my gosh, that's amazing,
and they are fantastic. The guy in California makes them.
They're phenomenal. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
It is, so I got all kinds of the tricks,
all right this year, Like I hate the Super Bowl
or bust, but it does feel like maybe not super
Bowl bust, but man, you gotta be right there.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And it's the expectation. It's certainly the expectation.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
And that's not unrealistic, right affairs at all.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I Mean, here's the trick and what I'm fascinated to
find out kind of how they get there. If they
get there, they're very clearly and you know this, you've
watched the Packers operate for a long time. They're very
clearly all in on draft and developed to the point
where they know they need at least two or three
guys internally to become maybe not superstars, but field tilters,
(11:06):
guys who make our difference makers. Right. I think we
saw glimpses of that last year with say Edrin Cooper
the linebacker. You know, guys who the talent's clearly there,
they've got a blossom. And whether you're talking about Matthew
Golden who's started camp on fire, or a guy like Cooper, like,
they need a handful of these guys to become difference
makers if they want to truly challenge for a championship.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Can they pressure the passer?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I think it's looking better so far now it's only
two days.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Was dipping your toes like I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I mean, look, they didn't really take any big swings
as far as augmenting the actual personnel. I know they
have a new defensive line coach new I guess approach upfront,
But which is what that year we're gonna find out?
Like that's that's the kind of thing. That's why I
come to camp, right is Like I will say, Lucas
van Ness has been a disappointment two years into his
(11:59):
pro career, but this start of camp he has been
the trademark, you know, quietly having a good start to camp.
You never want to say that because inevitably then they
kind of fall off the map, or they get hur disappointed,
they get hurt whatever. But I tell you what he
had to play today where he beat Rashid Walker in
a way that he was not doing two years ago
or even last year. And then he had another where
(12:20):
he's in the backfield, slipped an attempted block and they
had Dobs on an attempt to end around. He grabbed
him with one hand and threw him on the ground.
Like that's the kind of thing you expected when you
took him thirteenth overall, So hopefully Green shoots there finally, Uh,
can they run the football? I don't think there's any
doubt they're going to continue to run the ball. I
(12:41):
would love to see them maybe ease off on running
the ball a little bit. I mean last year they
were in the league leaders. I think top five as
far as running the ball. I'm first down. Now you
look at that top five, it's all teams that were
really successful. I understand, you know why Matt leaned into it,
specifically with Josh Jacobs. He's outstanding, right, But you know
when Bill Wolf said famously, the best down to throw
(13:03):
the ball, and it is on first down. I would
like to see, you know, the floor, let love go
to the air a little bit more on first down.
But yeah, they're gonna run the ball and they're gonna
be really affective.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Aeroneglara my guest. He's the co founder and founder of
a Cheesehead TV. Check him out on all social media,
follow him, watch him on YouTube as well. He joins
This Doug Out Leap Show where live at Packers camp
here in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I ask about Josh Jacobs
because I'm trying to figure out what was missing that
they didn't want to give him the long term deal
(13:34):
with the Raiders. Great, remember the Lakers Raiders were in turmoil.
They had question Okay, it is the Raiders, but you know,
like the SAQ one thing with the Giants was the
same thing with all these guys. It wasn't they didn't
want to give them a year or even two years.
It was they didn't want to give.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Him three three guarantees.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They want to gi him three guarantees because guys always break down,
especially after a go.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
And that you talk about Jacobs specifically, that was the
shoe with the Raiders because he came off that season
where he led the league in rushing, and then that
final year with the Raiders. Now he didn't have a
whole lot to work with upfront.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I mean that's what not just that, but they were
always behind. But run the football.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
But he wasn't as effective. He certainly had a down
quote unquote year. But man, the Packers essentially swooped in
and made that change from Aaron Jones to Josh Jacobs,
and I contend they got.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Better, they got bet I don't think they got better
catching it out of the backfield. Aaron Jones is better
at that. They don't utilize him like I got it,
but they definitely got better in between the un certainly.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
But yeah, he will be. He will continue to be
a focal point of the offense. There's no doubt.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Okay, then you have then you have Jordan Love you
do right who they supplied with a wide receiver who,
by all accounts is living up to anyone expected first
und pick. You can't say he doesn't have the experience anymore. No,
can't say he's young anymore. Nope, it's not a new system.
He's been the system for a year.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
He knows that system better than anybody in that building,
ex for Lafloor.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Do we know what he's like under this type of pressure?
And when I say pressure, I'm not talking about defensive pressure,
just the overall like, hey dude, we love yet.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
It's time to carry the team, but it's time. It's
interesting because I do think Brian Gudicunst has very specifically
tried to change course in the sense that you know,
four thirty years here in Green Bay it has been
about the quarterback and all about the quarterback, and the
quarterback had to make things go and if he didn't,
they weren't winning games. Right. I think Brian is very
(15:33):
intentionally tried to create a team that doesn't need the
quarterback to be superman. But that said, it's still the NFL,
is still twenty twenty five, and it still comes down
to quarterback play. And you know, yes, he had some
issues at wide receiver last year. They were in the
top of the league and drops, but certainly I think
Jordan would admit, you know, the injury certainly affected him
(15:54):
and he wasn't nearly as efficient as you'd like him
to be. But I'll tell you what here at start
of camp, he's fully healthy there from day one on
Lake last year, and to my eyes, he looks ready
to go. Like he's certainly like you said, there's no
excuse as far as the weapons go, he's they've got
talent everywhere, and he looks in full command of the offense.
I mean, there's zero doubt that you talk about. There
(16:16):
was a play today where Musgrave's going over the middle
and he sat down. He was clearly supposed to keep going,
and you know Jordan gave him a little not a
talking to, but certainly connected after the play and is
like look, this is the coverage, and you you got
to keep going like he's in command, you know what
I mean. So I don't think Luke.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I'm gonna text him Luke and.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
To ask him. Yeah, yeah, he'll say Jordan, Jordan gave
him one of these. You gotta be seeing what I see,
you know. But yeah, there's no doubt that this is
Jordan's year, Like, this is the year he this is
undoubtedly has to kind of lead this team to at
least championship contention.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, tell me if this makes sense. It's like again
as a college but it's like I got a junior okay,
but his freshman year where when you're a young starting
quarterback and you're replacing Aaron Rodgers, like you do anything well,
or like, oh my gosh, he's not terrible. Yeah, thank god.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
He's thought it was gonna rue back to the Stone Age.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And then he's like pretty good, you give him a
new contract. And then last year there are times which
you spectatiy of times like what are you doing? Yeah,
and then you're like, well, okay, he's only again us
using the college analogy, only a sophomore.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
He got spoiled with Rogers. There's zero doubt. Yeah, there's
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah. Well it's like no one remembers like Farv coming up.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Thank you. I banged that drum all last season because
people were, you know, some of the he did. He
threw some boneheaded interceptions. But I'm like, does anyone remember
farv second year as a starter? Homegerd almost pulled him
for God's sake, you know. So it's just I know
we're in this age, this TikTok age where everything is
instant and gotta be now. But man, just a little breathing,
(17:47):
a little patience, and like I said, I think this
year is when it starts to pay off with Jordan.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Love October twenty sixth Hell yeah, now you've lived this
in a previous life, right when Farv came back exactly now,
Aaron's not coming back. It's in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It was really pulling for him to sign with the
Vikings for that very reason.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It would have been so amazing. It's been so it
would have been so good. Are you going to the game.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I'm not. We're we do a YouTube watch party each
and every game, and so.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
The almighty dollars is going to keep you.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I got it, man, I have an audience there there
are expectations you could.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Zoom into the audience, but be you know whatever, I
will say, I don't know what they what they call
it now, by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
I know I always call it three Verus Stadium. I
know it was for a while, but then heinz No,
it's Azure or something or other. I can't even remember now,
but I still call it three three Rivers because that's
you know, you go there and that's the vibe, like
it's so cool river again.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
And so I've lived here for a calendar year. Nice
I could tell you the people that I come into
contact with it is still very mixed on erin well,
most of it is. It was just time.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's like, yeah, I mean, when it comes to the
football stuff, a billion percent, it was absolutely time. It
was probably time the year before. But I do think
there was some internal struggle there and they certainly, you know,
wanted to keep him around for another year while Jordan
got more kind of developed. But yeah, I mean, it's
just I don't want to say it was like pulling
a band aid off, but it was absolutely time to
(19:14):
turn the page. Like there's it, and that's that feeling
around the fandom too. I talk about this a lot
on CHEESEAIDDV, where for so long they were kind of
banging their heads against the wall or just holding on
with their fingertips to the attempt to back to the
super Bowl with Aaron, and came very close in twenty twenty.
But man, those last two or three years, it was
(19:34):
just like everything was a struggle to just try and try,
and they could just never close the deal. It was
such a breath of fresh air to move on, to
turn the page. And I think it was good for
Aaron too. I don't think, you know, he really had
much more to prove, and he knows how the packers
operate because he went through it with bread.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
You just shouldn't choose the jets. Well, it's just one
of those like that was like one it does. It
draws the instant far of comparisons, obviously.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I how amazing was that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was amazing he was thinking about that and then
he want to go to the Vikings and You're like,
what is going on here?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's like an episode of Black Mirror.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
It was what's black Mirrors? That is a great show?
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Mirror.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Do you guys know Black Mirror? I don't as anybody
Sam Jay Stew are you guys familiar Black Black Mirror.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I've seen one episode. It's very good. That one episode
is very good. That one episode he saw it was great.
How many seasons, God, there's like eight or not, Like
it must be really good if it's last that phenomenal
sounds like an episode so like I have a preposition
to watch it, but I'm hooked. I love it.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
It's great the division. Yes, Bears actually might have hired
somebody decently.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
They finally figured it out.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Although I don't know quarterback like i've.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Been Caleb Williams is gonna be really good. And I
know all the headlines coming out of Chicago as a
how he's struggling early. He's learned in a new system
like that, there's new offensive linemen like he'll he's talented
as hell. He's gonna figure it out and he's gonna
be good.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Unfortunate vikings you. It feels like that guy can coach
any quarterback, but now you have a rookie quarterback. Great coach,
but but he does coach a quarterback who did not
throw the football once in the second half against Penn State.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
She like, I think J. J.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
McCarthy's good. But if he's that good, like, wouldn't she
let him throw the ball well State?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
And now he sat out of football for a year.
You know, it's like he's It's that situation in particular
is such a wild card because I do think they're
clearly very talented and they have all the horses they
need if the quarterback can produce, you know.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah, and then you have Detroit, who has you know,
come from nowhere to being a super Bowl right, but
they did lose a lot and they lost their coordinators,
and you know, it'll be interesting to see what that looks.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I love that the Packers are opening up with them
week one. First time Matt's been able to open at home,
which is kind of wild to think about. It's a
first home opener under the floor, like season opener at Lambeau.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's such a we we mentioned it, and I remember
we did some on the podcast as well. Doug Gotlieb
show Fox Sports for v Nagular joined me. She said,
TV there's there's two things about Lambeau Field. Again, I
I don't profess to be an.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Expert, you are an expert.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Two things that I think people don't know it's so
far is this way. Believe it or not, it's this way,
and that where you sit is a completely different experience.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
You know, if you sit in the lower bowl, you're
in it. There's no cell phones out, there's no selfies,
there's no nothing. It's about the game and nothing else.
And when and you better high five that dude next
to you. Yeah, and then it is a communal experience,
right and then okay, and but the other part is
what time of year you go to a game. It's
(22:46):
a completely different vibe too. I went to the Colts game,
which was the opener last year, and it was like
eighty three. Well, I mean for eighty three.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
It was hot. It was it was it was hot,
and people were like falling out. Then you go Christmas
time when you're playing the Saints and you better be
better be bundled. It may change. Okay, So how does
early season against the Lions set that whole tone for
the season.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Well, what's interesting about that matchup is how well Dan
Campbell's squad has done against Matt Lafleur's team, no matter
what the personnel is. I mean, Rogers last game one
hundred percent, where all they got to do is win
that game get in the playoffs, and they can't do it.
Campbell has been a thorn in Matt's side. And outside
(23:33):
of I want to say that Thanksgiving game where they
took the deep shot to Watson first play the game
and they end up winning that one. Outside of that game,
Campbell's had his number. So I think for Matt there's
probably a very real sense of I not only have
to get off on the right foot it's a divisional
game home opener, but man, Dan Campbell has been the bully.
(23:53):
He's got to turn that around. Start And that's great
that that's the challenge week one.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
All right, give me one Green Bay Packer that unless
you've come to camp, you don't know how excited you
should be about this player.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh man, there are a couple guys. I'll go with
na Zero Stackhouse, who's an undrafted defensive tackle out of Georgia.
He has been outstanding all every practice I've watched. I
mean from the start with the unpadded stuff to now
the pads are on the last couple of days. Uh,
he had what would have been two big sacks today.
He was stuff and everything at the line of scrimmage yesterday.
(24:27):
I mean for a team that lost, you know, a
couple of the component components in their run defense last year.
You get an undrafted kid who looks this good un
zero Stackhouse looks like the real deal, and I expect
he'll a good chance he'll make the fifty three and
he'll contribute.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I think the most important information you can share I
can cause I can give my Hey if I'm coming
to town for Packer game, because it is, it's kind
of a national landmark. You do. You'll sit there kind
it is well, you'll be at a game, right and
you're like, wait, I'm at lambeau Field. But there'll also
be somebody from LA, someone from New York, somebody from overseas,
a bucket list, you know, a lot of people like
(25:04):
I gotta go to a Packer game. If you were
setting up somebody's itinerary, because I'll take mine, would be
I would stay here Legacy Hotel. Hotel can't go wrong here,
right totally. And sixth floor you come up to the crest.
I think it's like the best view bar Saturday night
four game. Where would you send somebody to eat and
(25:27):
to hang and to drink when they're in uh when
when they're in the.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
Green Bay, Wisconsin for a game, I will plug the
YouTube channel and say make sure you check out Aaron
Negli's top five things to do in Green Bay. As
a friend of mine pointed out, most of it is
just bars. So you know the drunkest town in America, right,
is always one of them, no doubt about it. But
I will say I love all the old school stuff
like Nicky's Lions. Lion's Head into Peer is like a
spot where like the Packers and Lombardes era used to
(25:53):
go and have a few after practice, right. I love
that vibe. The place like that is awesome.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
To peer for people who from Green Bay. It's like
the southern south eastern most suburbs sort of of green
Bay attached. There's like a loop of freeways that's around
the inner part of the city and then the outer
the outer rim, the south eastern side is up here.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Go ahead, yep, I love that spot. There's a restaurant
you're talking about eating. There's a restaurant north North, north
part of town that's called Blue that Corey Banking, my
co founder.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That's not north, that's south.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Is it south?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah? That's in Bellevue where. Yes, I love Blue Good.
That was that's my spot too. I love that.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Corey took me there, and it's phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
It's really it's really good.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Coming from New York, I'm like, all right, nor restaurant.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Listen, listen, there's the stand. It's really good. It's really good,
really good. And you don't know you're in Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Not really because it's outside enough that like, well, it's
it's like it's.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Like built in like almost like a colonial type almost
like a colonial house, and then you can't sall wooded.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I will say, though, this is true. When we went
there a couple of years ago, I was, you know,
I get so conscious about what I'm wearing out and
about like, you know, I'm out in New York. I'm like,
if I go out to eat, if I go out
to eat, I want to look nice. So we're a
collared shirt, blah blah blah. And so I brought all
these clothes when I came to visit it and we're
going to Blue It's this nice restaurant. Oh yeah, okay,
(27:22):
So I wear the stuff and Corey's like, what are
you doing. I'm like, I gotta look nice.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah jeans. We roll up.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Guy in front of us making like asking for a
table is wearing a Megadeth T shirt. I'm like, yep,
I'm back in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yes, and he probably owns like from something success as well. Right,
and he's got a Mega de shirt, Megadeth shirt, getting
a nice spotted blues Okay, so we got a bar,
we got a restaurant, late night bar or or late
night music, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
And I'm in Green Bay. I'm not as juiced in
as I used to be. I will say though, I
will always look to see if hang ten is playing.
They're a local band that is phenomenal and they just
had a singles release just came out this past Friday.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Hang ten local band. They're awesome. Okay, did not know that,
but be on the lookout. Training can't content. Oh yeah
before it came over here. Okay, it's good and you
have top five things to do. He's Aaron Agler, He's
we we've been friends forever, but friends usually on the
phone now in person. And I moved to his town
and while I'm back at the yard, right, that makes
(28:23):
complete sense.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
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(28:53):
get to game time with Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
This is Game two on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Hello Doug.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Hello.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
The game today is Rank them all?
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Right, Doug ranked the three most important Green Bay Packers
in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's a great question, great question I have. Okay, I'm
gonna go with Brandon McManus at three.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
McManus joined the team mid season last year at a
really good year. But if you don't have a kicker,
it doesn't Nothing matters in this sport, right, and they
struggled last season before they added McManus. Number two is
going to be Josh Jacobs. They want to run football.
He had a tremendous season last year, but can he
(30:03):
do it two consecutive years? That'd be big And Number
one short.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
Love not a not a surprise of the quarterback at
number one in his health. Obviously it was an issue
a little bit last year with that opening week injury.
We'll see how the Packers fair. I would have flip
flopped one and two just to be different, because I
think that I think they could do something special with
uh if Josh Jacobs continues to be what he has
(30:28):
been in the NFL. All right, Doug, branching off of
this one, ranked the top three packers you think of
when you think of all time packers. There's a reason
why I'm asking this question. As a native of Wisconsin,
I am.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I would love you, I would love your I think
your list is probably better than mine. But just again,
as a I was born in Milwaukee, as always a packer,
Fanish and now obviously full full convert to the chiefs
head nation.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I would say this. Growing up, Bart Starr and Ray
NICHKEI were in that top three.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, it's just hard for me. I mean, I correct
you know, so I'm not. I wouldn't do those because
I'd be lying to you.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Well.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I also think that the yeah time is, time has so.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Here's the ones I will do. Sterling Sharp three, Aaron
Rodgers two, and Brett Farv one.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
Mm hmm, Iowa Sam as a Packers fan? Are you
good with those? When you think of Packers, you think
of those three right off the bat?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
You know, yeah you could?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean both far Van Rodgers won one Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Maybe you could take one of them out. Put in, uh,
somebody else.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Bart Starr, Jordan Nelson, Where are we going? Jim Dickey,
Paul Kaufman, A bunch of different ones, all right. Reggie White,
Reggie White, that'd be a good one. I just started
to try to name old Packers. Eddie Lee, Ivory, Max McGee, Yes,
there you go, only for his hungover Super Bowl performance.
(32:04):
Jesse Clark was an old Packer's running back. Met him
outside of lambeau Field when I was about six or
seven years old. We went to the Green Bay Packer
Hall of Fame for a family trip and got Jesse
Clark's autograph. I'll never forget that, all right, Doug. Rank
the top three sports that you care about right now?
(32:24):
Are we in the dog days of summer? Is that
where we are? Right?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
And I care about?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I care about three is college basketball. I care about
my team and my team's schedule we're trying to put together.
We think we finalized it here this week. My team's roster,
so college basketball, three, college football too. I'm starting to
get fired up checking out schedules, What games can I
get to? What games I want to have people over
(32:52):
to watch. I mean, who doesn't love college football. It's weird.
It's different, right, You're not seeing guys matriculate the same schools,
but it's still college football. I love it, and number
one is NFL football. I actually care. Now. I'm going
to Brewers Cubs tomorrow. That's why I'm off tomorrow, so
I may end up going. Like after, you know, you
go to one baseball game, and especially one of that
(33:13):
variety in the sold out park, you very quickly like, Okay,
now I'm into baseball and.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Maybe it'll kick out college basketball.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
You know, probably now I won't kick it out, but again,
what's important to me. I'm like trying to build my
team or our team isn't here, so it's not as
top of mind, but I'm still doing something every day.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I was gonna say, I was shocked to college basketball
wasn't one any Sam Jason, do you think college hoops
is going to be number one. I thought it was,
but hey, we'll see. We'll see if it sticks around
to the top three tomorrow with the Beasts of the
NL Central Battle American.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Because what's fascinating is I just started kind of I know,
college teams just started reporting, but I I, you know,
so many new people in so many new places that
over the past couple of days, I've started to kind
of dig in on, like, so, who's playing quarterback here?
And who do they have and is he any good?
(34:12):
So that's where I say my level of sure of important.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
For college football as well, you know, yeah for sure,
all right? Doug trade deadline for Major League Baseball's later
this week ranked the three best trade deadlines in sports.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Well, baseball has adjusted. Remember they had the waiver the
waiver deadline after it previously, Yes, and that was super weird, Like, wait,
this is the trade deadline, but there's a way to
get other ones.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yes, if a player would have cleared waivers, then you
could acquire that player.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I still think baseball is trade deadline is one. I'll
work back one and then I'll do NBA trade trade
deadline two. Uh, and then I guess, oh, well, they
don't trade call it with the portal, but.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
Sure, you could have a transfer window with soccer. You
could have the w NBA trade deadline. I do think
that the NFL has gotten more interesting.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Interesting, but generally there's like one good trade to you. Yep,
I'll go baseball, then NBA basketball, then NFL football.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
All right, finally, Doug, it's National Chicken Wing Day today.
Rank your top three chicken forms? Like, are we talking wings?
Were talking boneless? We talk in sandwich, We're talking tenders
talking on the bone. What is the best chicken form
for you on National Chicken Wing Day?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, I mean fried chicken is the best. It's just
terrible for you.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Right, chicken in the air fryers probably one, but I
mean really, I mean again, So here's what I'll do. Okay.
I am an expert on chicken, expert on chicken. Okay,
So here's the three best ways to make chicken. Okay, chick,
we'll put it three. Only the health issues or what
puts it at three? All right? I think grilled chicken
(36:10):
is a two, and you're like, what grilled chicken is too?
I love grilled chicken, but not everybody does. I think
roasted chicken is the best. Yeah, yeah, it really does.
You put a bunch of seasonings on it, and when
you ate till the skin gets really crispy, so good,
and then I'm a dark meat guy. I think the
(36:31):
thigh is the best actual piece of meat. And that's
game time all right. Coming up next to the Doug
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