August 9, 2023 • 36 mins
Dan and Aaron in for Doug. They discuss the first episode of Hard Knocks as Dan explains how it was basically an Aaron Rodgers informercial. The guys talk about the Johnny Manziel doc on netflix and the mark that he had on college football. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Dan and Aaron through a game of "What Are The Chances?".
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coach has to apologize for something they said in training camp.
I mean, like, we're already up to two and we're
only on August ninth right now, so I think that
there's plenty of time for everybody to get their apologies.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
In, so I was actually thinking about that as Monty
was kind of updating that story. It feels like Ron Rivera.
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. It feels like one
that he's been there more than just this fourth season,
and even though he did have a good first year
and there was a lot of turmoil in the locker room,
all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Feels like it's kind of run its course.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm not rooting for anybody to lose their job, and
I'm not saying it he will, but in a division
where there's actual talent in the NFC, which you can't
say that for all of them, I don't know. It
just feels like the Ron Rivera thing has run its course.
And yeah, not a good twenty four hours for him.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The reason for firing could be just maybe if he
agreed with the commander's name something. Absolutely still loathe that name.
I'm okay with it. But that's for another day at
another time, and we're going to get to that in
about seventy five minutes or so. But right now, in
the next seventy five seconds, heck, and next five seconds.
The infomercial that aired last night on HBO was quite something.
(01:59):
There was There was no it was no ron Co
set it in forget it, but it was it was
quite the show in painting the New York Jets as
quite the team in the National Football League and a
team that I don't know they were trying to get
everybody to love the New York Jets. But there's a
bigger picture here, and it's not a review of episode
(02:21):
one of Hard Knocks, but it did seem like Aaron
that there was There was a lot of Sauce Gardner,
there was a lot of Garrett Wilson, and then there
was just an enormous amount of Aaron Rodgers. And we
know what Rogers has gone through in this entire offseason,
and it just seems in a way and Rogers has
(02:42):
been he would say stuff to the to the Green
Bay media, was was forthcoming a lot with that.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So that isn't necessarily different.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I just get the sense that maybe the NFL, you know,
are the ones who are like, you know what, we
really have to cash in on Aaron Rodgers and him
being in New that it's not even as much of
the Jets and them trying to get to a Super Bowl,
and maybe winning a super Bowl and getting to the
playoffs and all of that that the NFL, in their
main training camp machine of hard knocks, really put forth.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
An effort to make sure that Aaron Rodgers was putting
a good light.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, do you feel like because of the emphasis on
Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson as in addition to Aaron
Rodgers that it was almost like a hey, look, it's
not just Aaron Rodgers, you know, you know, like like
and I think I think it's like it is a joint,
you know, media effort to like, hey, no, the Jets,
(03:37):
don't forget it's not just Rogers. It's not just gonna
be a circus, like, oh no, they got some real
players here and so and this and by the way,
this is why we chose them, not just because they
have a new quarterback and it's gonna be a mess
because he had a weird ending in his last spot
and this organization has been a mess previously. It's like
he basically chose this spot because there is some young talents.
So listen, I'm not really that surprised. I mean, we
(04:01):
you know, you and I we've talked to you know.
It was a conversation in this space, probably about three
four weeks ago about kind of where Hard Knocks is
and where Hard Knocks is going and where it was
and all that. But I just think that last night
was probably a reflection of, Hey, this is why we
still do this. It is still behind the scenes, it
is an interesting team, and remember the Jets are interesting
(04:23):
outside of Aaron Rodgers. So interesting debut to say the least,
four Hard Knocks on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You know, and it does lend to the bigger picture,
and you know, there is the conversation of is this
vehicle worthwhile?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And truly, I truly believe that it is. Even though
I wasn't a huge fan of last night's episode and
didn't give me a huge, you know, a desire to
wait for next week, I'm gonna watch every episode. I
watch every episode and have for the for the last
decade or so. It's actually a part of my sports
calendar that I bring up so much. Part of getting
(04:56):
through training camp is that Tuesday night with HBO and
Hard Knocks, and it's it's a TV show as well,
and there are some good seasons and there are some
bad seasons, and maybe in the future they're going to
start to focus on some of the players that we
don't know, and it seemed like they tried to do
that in the Hall of Fame game, but I don't.
I think I understand.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The Jets were one of the four or five.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Teams that were eligible, and of those four or five.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Teams that were eligible, you're right, they were by far
and away the most intriguing storyline, at least with the
star power of how things would go. But there's also
the story of things could go sideways. The Sean Payton
comments were brought up. There was a camera on the side.
We saw Pete Schrager interviewing Aaron Rodgers and we heard
(05:47):
Rogers say, you know, keep you know, my coach's name
out of your mouth. Hard Knocks was there, but I
felt like we had seen that already, and that's part
of the whole, the whole deal. Leev Schreiber was there,
the voice of the show, and he even showed up
and said, you're like, why do people not want to
do the show? And Rogers is like, Oh, I think
they feels it's a wait let me do my Aaron
Rodgers think it's a destruction. Oh that's my Aaron Rodgers
(06:11):
impersonation because sometimes sometimes he talks like this and then
he's like, but you know, but it's been great so far.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So it was just it was just that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And I think I think the Lions as a team
last year really set a high bar for the programming
that we desire, and there was so much going with
the Lions, this stuff that you can't manufacture, like and
that's the that's the issue with I don't think Hard
Knocks should go away just because I wasn't a huge
fan and didn't learn, you know, a whole lot about
(06:40):
the Jets or what was going on at camp. Even
though that wasn't the case last night, I still don't
think that the show should go away.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It's interesting because I've kind of done I've done three
different rotations on this. So when the conversation first started
three four weeks ago, I was like, Eh, you know,
it's it's Hard Knocks, it's whatever. Not everything is for everybody,
especially in the world we live in. If they want
to keep doing it, people will watch. I have no problem. Then,
over the last couple of weeks, as it became clear listen,
(07:08):
they're not gonna show anybody getting cut all that good stuff.
It's like, on the one hand, you know, you don't
want to see the worst moment of a person's life,
but that's kind of what made Hard Knocks hard knocks,
and so I kind of sat there and said, you
know what, if this is just gonna be a watered down,
boring version of Hard Knocks, then I don't want it.
But the point that you just made is that like
(07:29):
any good show, there's gonna be good seasons and bad seasons,
highs and lows. I actually now am back on team.
It's okay to keep Hard Knocks again. It's not gonna
be for everybody. But your point on the Lions is
so well taken. Is that the Lion's thing it felt
like last summer, and this might happen with the Jets too.
You never listen, something might happen in that locker room,
(07:50):
something crazy, something interesting, whatever. I don't think they really
have the personalities outside of Aaron Rodgers for that to happen. Like,
I don't think Robert sala is gonna say something crazy.
I don't think the ownership. It's not like if Jerry
Jones was you know, Jerry Jones's team was running the
show here, But why I bring it up is because
it felt like last year Hard Knocks had not only
(08:11):
a revival, but there was like a momentum about it
over the summer where if you didn't watch that first episode,
it felt like by week two, week three, you almost
felt like you were being left out. I remember a
few years ago when the Browns, it was with Hugh
Jackson and it was a mess, and I think it
was Baker's rookie year, and and that was another year
where it felt like, Okay, if you if you're not watching,
(08:34):
you gotta see this Hugh Jackson guy. He's a bigger
mess than you thought he was. And so I just
bring it up because in time, we'll see what this
season becomes. But I do wonder if there is an
element of some years it's really gonna pop, some years
it's not gonna be as good. But just because every
year isn't Dan Campbell biting kneecaps doesn't mean that we
(08:56):
need to cancel the show altogether.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You're you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Dan Campbell was the only guy that we knew from
the Lions that were like, oh that could that could
be interesting, And you know, for the for the one
time he actually that lived up to the billing.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There were there were.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Seasons passed where you're like, oh, this this person could
be great and you're kind of left disappointed because.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It's not organic.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But all of a sudden, next thing, you know, for
the Lions, Jamal Williams becomes even more of a star
for for all of his antics. Rodrigo Malcolm Rodriguez, the
linebacker that you know last year, was a rookie coming
in from Oklahoma State. His storyline was great. Reminds me
of what the Bengals did it And Giovanni Bernard was
driving around in his van and all of a sudden,
you know, he made a name for himself.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That stuff was That stuff was organic.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And that's just the and and maybe it's the case
that that's going to be With the Jets, there is
a there is an angle that they touched on a
little bit last night, and you know you're gonna hear
a clip of it. But I know Jason Stewart's got
got a question at least about this topic.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Jay, what's up?
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Just real fast, Dan, because I didn't see it last
night and I'm going to watch it, I promise, But
tell me that there is slow motion footage of the
the grass getting sprayed with water?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Is there slow motion sprink cors painting?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm trying to think, and I already deleted it off
the DVR. I'm sure I could bring it up, you know,
I forgot. Oh you know they started it. They started
it with this montage of Joe Namath and the Jets.
That's what they started with. I know I caught John
Ramos by surprise, but so that's how they started it off,
in doing the throwback and football's you know back in
(10:34):
New York, which, by the way, Hector Giants made the
playoffs last year. But it was just like this of
now you've got to start quarterback in New York and
that was kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
The the opening. I'm trying to think if there was
the the.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, I would be disappointed because for the last twenty years,
it seems like any time they needed a way to
bridge one scene from the other, just throwing the slow
motion sprink cors.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I'm sure they don't even have to do a new one.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It just could be like stock footage, just slow motion
of the spring quarts, like wait, is that Chad Johnson
and T. J. Houschman's not in the background. What Oh,
I guess that's all footage. Oh man, I will say
if they wanted to do the throwback instead of Joe Namath,
you know what they should have done Dan, They should
have done the year Rex Ryan was on with Hard
that was a great You talk about a great season,
(11:23):
there was a lot. I think it was just one
long bleep. I don't think Rex Ryan said a single
word that they that actually made air, But that was
a great season. Mark Sanchez, Uh, who else they? I
think Revis was on the team still, I can't remember
everybody on the team, but that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Was a great season.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Mart Scott, Yeah, the the U, the uh the name
that that I think is is a focus is going
to be delayed because John Ramos has a question, John,
what's up?
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I was gonna say that is this something that is
when they record this show?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I love, I Love.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Just quickly John goes to me, are a quick question?
But the mic wasn't there. All of a sudden, the
mic gets handhandled.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That's his new signature. He doesn't go on the year
without the mic adjustment.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He's in my ear.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
And then but go ahead, John, the question to you
and is this is these are done weekly, Like whatever
happened in last night's show was something that happened this
past week or is it?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Okay, so last two weeks got it past two weeks?
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Okay, that's what I wanted to know, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And next week's episode will be basically from anything that
probably happened late yesterday up until early Tuesday of next week.
So all of that is, all of that is fair game.
And that's and it's it does go like along the way.
That's why there was a lot of Hall of Fame
game stuff towards the latter part of it, and that's
where you saw Zac Wilson. And that's actually where I
(12:52):
think that the focus guys should be when you're talking about,
you know, this team and I get it, I'm not
I'm not saying don't focus on as I understand that
you know how big of a deal it is. And
shaus Gardner getting his diploma and going to Cincinnati, that's awesome,
that's that is something that should make the show. How
Garrett Wilson's trying to make it to the next level.
(13:14):
I understand all that. But what made Hard Knocks great
was it's called hard Knocks, like it's not just c
great hits in training camp, because they were hardly hit
in training camp. It's the the ups and downs, the
roller coasters, and the tough times that you have during
this grind. And I think that the toughest grind over
the last couple of years for anybody in New York
has been Zach Wilson. They did focus on him. He
(13:36):
talked about his last two years last night of the episode.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Or obviously the last two years have been have been
tough and just trying to find the way as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Honestly, things kind of.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Feel like they were maybe getting a little bit worse
each week and confidence was going down, so uh, you know,
not always fun.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
By the way, that music was two videos of Wilson
just getting pummeled. That's what it was. I know we
can't do that audio.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You don't know the visual, but I think that's the
story that you then end up following through camp.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
What's happening with Zach Wilson? How is it? Maybe that's
something more of considering. Remember the comments.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Last year like gonna make it really difficult, and the
next guy that comes in here, yep, you know then
it's Aaron Rodgers, Like that's what I guess I kind
of wanted more to see, and I know it's more
of like a TV production sort of thing, but I
do think that the NFL is like, let's get our
stars out there. Let's talk about Rogers, let's talk about Sauce,
let's talk about Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
In that sort of message.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, and that's exactly what I was thinking, was Listen,
I understand, you know, play the hits. Aaron Rodgers is
by far the biggest star, and it is still a
relatively interesting story.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I feel like we've.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Gotten a little Aaron Rodgers' oversaturation, Like the last couple
of months. I mean, he goes to a Knixt game,
he goes to a Rangers game. He's done a few
inter I can't even remember everything that he's done. You know,
he obviously gave back money. There was the conversation about
he called Jordan, and like Zach Wilson is kind of
the opposite, right, Like this guy was literally twelve months ago,
(15:05):
or maybe it's more like twenty four months going now,
but he was deemed to be the savior of the
organization and he just gets shoved to the side. And
so like that's the perfect example of and maybe they will,
and you know, maybe the producers are listening to us
right now, but that's the kind of thing that they
used to dive really deep into that kind of conversation,
(15:25):
and I hope they get into more of that as
the show goes on, because as Aaron Rodgers is interesting,
I get why you want to feature him in the
first episode, but those are the kinds of things that
made Hard Knocks Hard Knocks is guys like zequills and stories.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There was a point where one of the players grabbed
the boom mic and was like, Aaron Rodgers is a
great player, a great person.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Don't believe what you hear in the media. Ooh.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And it just felt like out of the thousands of
hours of footage like that ended up making the fifty minutes,
you know. So it's like that sort of thing of like,
look at how Rogers gets along with his teammates, and
he probably does. It just seem like there was quite
the concerted effort to put that message forward. He's Era Torres.
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month if you are a TV viewer that loves sports
and loves great stories. We started off talking about hard Knocks,
but maybe the one that's making the most waves is
the long awaited Aaron Johnny Manzell documentary that dropped.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It was last night. It was yesterday that it dropped
on Netflix.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I believe it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Like weirdly, it was like two am on Monday and Tuesday.
I don't I don't know why, but I had a
friend who was live tweeting at that time, like oh
hour till this thing goes live, and I was like,
it's like eleven o'clock on the West coast here.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This was Monday night into Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Maybe maybe the time zones, Like, was it was your
friend in California?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Was he a different part of the country.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
No, he's in Texas. He's an Aggie maybe.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So he was two hours ahead of you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, I don't think this was the best listen. I'm
not telling anyone else how to run their business.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But that Netflix, listen up, Torres has got something.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I mean you, I mean you know we we we
just re redid the whole Hard Knocks premise in the
last segment.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
So today now I'm going in on or this segment,
I'm going in on Netflix. This is good.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Well, this is this is interesting because I mean when
you look at at college football and and just how
much passions is behind the sport, it is usually the
school brands, Like there are players who have transcended college football,
(18:51):
but you would be surprised, really, I think at how
few there are. That's not to say that there aren't
great college football players, but there are some that just
break through, like like Reggie Bush broke through, Cam Newton
broke through. Obviously, Heisman Trophy winners and you have to
be a trophy winner or a near top player to
(19:13):
have to have that ability to break through. But the
Johnny Manzel breakthrough, to me, was was astounding for the
simple fact of I remember the year when he won
the Heisman Aaron because the Heisman actually belonged to Gino
Smith for about six games that season, and then all
of a sudden, we start looking at the what's going
(19:33):
on in college station, and then it was Johnny Manzel's
from you know, I don't know what early October or
whatever the case was the Alabama game, and then from
there it just never stopped. It absolutely never stopped. So
to me, it's like this meteor that just comes out
of nowhere and then all of a sudden, Johnny Football
is here. And truly like over the last twenty twenty
(19:57):
five years, i'd say top two or top three the
football name brands that we've seen in the sport of
college football.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
So I don't know if you've seen it, and I
don't not.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, full disclosure, I did not see the documentary.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I didn't want to put you on blast on a
bunch of stations nationwide. But why I bring it up.
You basically got right there. Your memory is excellent. So
even though you haven't seen it, the memory is excellent
because you got to several themes that came out during
that documentary. Is first of all, you know, and I
don't think I'm gonna spoil too much, but one of
(20:31):
the themes was you talked about how the brand is
usually bigger than the player. This was one thing that
I don't think I fully appreciated was that basically, Johnny
football is the guy who made the modern day. The
Texas A and M that is now paying Jimbo Fisher
nine million dollars to go five and seven is a
direct reflection of Johnny Manziel. They get into that, and
(20:52):
he really did become bigger than the sport. And then
what I also didn't realize is you obviously remember again
the Heisman Trophy, but but the Alabama game, I mean,
everyone in his circle kind of points to that was
the moment that things were never the same. And then again,
I don't think I'm giving away spoilers because most of
it is common knowledge, and certainly you just touched on
(21:13):
a lot of it, Dan, But that was the third thing,
which I do think is pretty obvious, is that he
publicly talks about how it changed overnight. I mean, people
forget this now, but he got arrested before that season, and.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Nobody even knew who it was.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I mean, they show video clips of the sportscasters mispronouncing
his name, Johnny Manziel, who's in competition to be the
Aggie starting quarterback. That's like August eighteenth, and by December eighteenth,
he's flying across country with Drake, hanging out in a
private jet. So listen, I'll let everybody else see the
(21:50):
documentary and decide for themselves. Is Johnny Manzela's sympathetic figure.
I found him to be more sympathetic than I expected.
But so many of those themes that you just hit
Dan are very prevalent in the documentary. And again, this
wasn't you know, this wasn't a whatever. This was literally
even like I'll just give you a quick example and
(22:10):
toss back to you, like even somebody like Zion Williamson, Right,
he was so big a duke, but there was like
a two or three year period when he was in
high school where he had YouTube clips that were getting
a million views and everybody kind of knew who he was.
Manzell literally went from a guy that we weren't even
sure was going to be the starting quarterback to, as
you said, an international celebrity. He was kind of the first,
(22:32):
and people have said this the first social media celebrity
of the college sports era. It's a very well done documentary.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I call it part of the recipe, like what is
the recipe for emergence and stardom? And the reason I
say that is, you know, I bring up Reggie Bush's
name for a couple of reasons. Number One, freak athlete,
just just just different on the football field, had that
immediate star power at a place that has star power.
(23:01):
I mean, you're in LA, You're at USC, the brand
is there, you're winning, you can live that Hollywood lifestyle
if you choose. I mean, there was no NFL team.
All of that plays a part into it, just like
with Tim Tebow in Florida, Florida Gators emerging from the
SEC Urban Meyer Tebow and really on just what a solid,
(23:25):
good guy he is, winner, intense, all like, all of
it ends up playing into the recipe and Manzell's recipe.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
My goodness. As you said, it's crazy because he came.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
On the scene just boom like that. But it's also
shows the power of Texas A and M.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I also think the SEC. It was their first year
in the SEC, remember.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, And the power of Texas football and while while
in that state of Texas high school football, what the
sport means to the entire Long Horn state. But also
you bring in part of that equation too, is you're
coming off of a time where Texas had been at
a peak off the Vince Young off you know, the
(24:10):
Colt McCoy eras and the the top players are there,
and here you have a guy and the biggest maybe
part of the recipe is you can just call him
Johnny Football, like like like the like.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That name just fits.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And I'm not saying that the branding of the name
of Johnny Football led to everything that went along with it,
but man, did it work. And and that's the that's
like the crazy thing to me of It's just how
many different things, like how many you know, great quarterbacks
as Texas A and M had, well, you know over
the you know, over the years. I don't remember too many.
(24:45):
Ryan Tannehill, you know, you know Kellen Mond started the other.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Side, Kellen Mond dirty like that man.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
But even prior you know to that, as he said,
like you're in the SECI who is who are we remembering?
And so now here is a star stud guy and
ends up being that school's I mean they, I mean
they live and die, like the top top five place
to go see a college football game, Texas A and
(25:11):
M is on that list.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And all of that adds to the recipe of Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Well, and I'll say too, I do think there was
as weird as it sounds. And again this is part
of the rise, but also the downfall is there was
like a weird everyman quality to him, right again Johnny Football,
that just sounds like a dude that you know whatever,
but also do that you want to hang out with.
And they get into a lot of like the fun
partying stuff of like, oh remember when he showed up
(25:36):
in the Scooby Doo costume on Halloween, Like that's fun
obviously compared to where he ended up, but it was
funny because you know, I was kind.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Of watching it.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
My wife was in the room doing something else and
she wasn't really paying attention, and she was like, man, like,
how big? Like even when they're interviewing, how big is
that guy? And I think that was part of it too,
was like he's a five. It's almost like the Steph
Curry thing, right, Like, why does everybody like Steph Curry?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
It's because he's six two six three.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You feel like in a different world, maybe you could
have been stepped could you could never be lebron because
you're not six ten with with you know, forty two
inch vertically, but you could have been maybe Steph Curry
in another world.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
And I think that was a lot of.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
The The appeal of Johnny Manzel as well is again
the everyman, the guy that you know it. You know,
you'd see you'd see him dominate on the field, and
then you see him at the frat party after, you know,
five foot ten uh doing things that he's not supposed
to be doing in his size.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
It was a very interesting trip down memory lane.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think there's some stuff that people that that that
that followed the story will obviously remember. I think there's
a lot though that they dive into that that maybe
people have forgotten.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
About how much like weighted wise is it college versus NFL?
Like like is it like twenty five percent college? And
then the rest is what's happened once he entered the
NFL and after or no, would you break it down.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I'll be blunt. I would say this is that. I'll
try to be as quick with my math as I
can be. I would say it's probably probably like fifty percent.
I'd say this, it's like forty percent college, twenty percent
NFL draft, which there was a lot of really interesting
stuff there. Twenty percent NFL downfall, and then I will say,
(27:15):
if there's a criticism of the documentary, it felt like
they squeezed everything post NFL into like a win, like
the post NFL stuff should have been longer.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I don't think they wanted to dwell on.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
It because you know, he at least said he at
least appears publicly to be in a better place than
he was even I don't know, three years ago, two
years ago, whatever, Sure, but it's not as the last
you know, the last ten minutes felt like it probably
should have been like twenty to twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Gotcha, hope that makes sense?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, bad math on my part. I think they're
too by the way, But.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
The changing of the schedules Matt mentioned it's not uncommon.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Happens in other leagues in.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Europe as well, because if in the further you advance
in these cup competitions, you have to play these matches.
So it's not necessarily uncommon. It's just that Miami dunk
so much that you never thought that they would actually
advance that far, and so now you know, and Charlotte
too as well. Like if Charlotte was in it, they
couldn't have played the match. They would have had to
reschedule it anyway, but the messy debut in the MLS
is gonna have to wait. Get Moncey again on social
(28:14):
media at Monzi Blanos, He's Errentoris. I'm Dan byer in
for Doug Gottlieb. Today, so much talk about conference realignment, Aaron,
But since you're in, I figured we could take sixty seconds,
one hundred and twenty seconds or so.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
How do you think this is going to affect college basketball?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Because we talked so much about football, and then what
we say is what about the other sports, the non
revenue sports? But here you've got a solid number two
in college basketball that I don't think anybody is really
talking about. Are there any things that could fall out
or anything that could fall out with the moves of
Oregon and Washington to the Big ten and all the
defections to the you know, Big twelve from the Pac
(28:50):
twelve that you think could affect college hoops?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Bluntly, I'll try to be quick here, but I think
your point is well taken is that I don't think
a lot of it has been thought out because so
much of a focus has been on football. I mean,
even football put out the twenty twenty fourth schedule in
the Big Ten that they now have to go ahead
and red which, by the way, I feel bad for
the guy that spent like six months of his life
putting together that schedule. They're like, oh, can you just
(29:15):
find some games for Oregon in here as well? I
don't think we know, because I remember even last year
when that initial wave happened with Texas or with USC
and UCLA, and I remember Tom Izzo and Chris Holtman,
the Ohio State coach in basketball, we're really outspoken of.
So like where are games gonna be played? Like are
(29:36):
they gonna be on FS one? Are they gonna be
on a streaming service? Are they gonna be on Big Fox?
Are they gonna be on Big CBS? And so I
think all of those things are still getting figured out.
And so again, like you said, the focus is on football,
and we always thought it's gonna be awesome to see
Oregon hosting Penn State and it will be make no mistake.
But are we still gonna have those pac twelve Thursday
(29:57):
night college basketball games?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Are Are we going to be traveling in pods?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Like?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Are Oregon and Washington is gonna be traveling together. Are
USC and UCLA gonna be traveling together? I can tell
you that that you know, as of about two two
and a half months ago, I talked to a staff
member of one of those programs and they they were
pretty much in the dark. I don't, you know, I
don't want to give giveaway too much, but but while
certainly things had been discussed internally, there wasn't like a
(30:25):
memo from the Big Ten of this is how we're
doing it. This is how long you'll be on the road,
This is how many road trips you'll have. This is
how many consecutive games you'll have at home. So there's
a lot of work by a lot of people to
be done for those four West Coast schools going to
the Big Ten, and even obviously the three new schools,
the four new schools, I should say, in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It seems to take Gonzaga out of the Big twelve picture, though,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, there was some talk about some basketball only schools,
including MI Alma Mater. I don't think that there's going
to be I think the Big twelve is pretty set
at at at the sixteen that they have.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
That's that's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
And honestly, there'd be no point for Gonzaga to move
to the Mountain West or yes, whatever, it would be
the new Pack, you know whatever, if they made the
change about was just stay at the West Coast Conference.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah, And there's there's that talk as well, is that
does a state like does a Stanford go independent in
football and then send their basketball to the WCC or
someplace like that. So what I will say is for
those four remaining schools especially, there are no good answers.
I know that's not breaking news, but everybody is in
scramble mode because everybody's trying to figure out what their
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next step is and there are obviously are not a
lot of good answers.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
He's here and Tores.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm Dan Byer, sitting in for Doug Gottlieb and coming
up next on The Doug Gottlieb Show Live from the
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is playing in his final year for the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
We'll let you know next.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
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Speaker 3 (32:17):
But right now, let's play a game.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Hey, this is game Time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
She's back. It's Monty Milanios.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
It's me.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
I'm the problem. It's me.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Ah, very good. Still off the high of that ship.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Concert in hundred you went, Yes, I gave up a
kidney to get a loan, but I got there.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
It's okay.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
She was feeling it yesterday. She was.
Speaker 9 (32:47):
I was a little tired.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah you get Did you get the two am text
like you did after volleyball?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
That one time?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Or no.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Special? That was a special one day. It was the
wrong Dan the record.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Let the record show on six hundred stations nationwide. I
want it to be clear.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, scare the crap out of me, Like who's texting
out one thirty in the morning, and then it's a
group tax tons great softball game tonight volleyball.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, that's right, My bad. That was the worst part.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
That was a group message. Anyway, John, what are the chances?
Speaker 9 (33:20):
What are the chances?
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Fellas?
Speaker 10 (33:22):
All right, what are the chances? This is Kirk cousins
final season with the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
If you would have asked me a week ago, I
would have been the opposite side of the spectrum.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'm going to say five percent.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
If anybody has played the quarterback contract game the best,
it's Kirk Cousins. And I think in the end, the
Vikings are going to be good enough and they're not
going to be ready to move off of Kirk Cousins.
I don't think the Vikings bought them out at all.
I think they take a step back, but I don't
think they bought him out, and that will be the
reason that they bring him back again next year and
(33:55):
maybe even for the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, I would say maybe a little bit higher, but
I think it's a seris. I think the point is
very well taken. Is with the division with some uncertainty
with green Bay. Obviously Detroit is getting a lot of hype.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Well, they live up to it. It's like, you know, you.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Win nine ten games, even eight games, you like, you
probably got to bring them back, and so I'd say
twenty percent of them.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Being all right, what.
Speaker 10 (34:19):
Are the chances that the Jets win the AFC East?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh, after last night, you think this team may not
lose a game. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say
I'll think Aaron's twenty percent. Yeah, I think it's I
still think there are just too many good teams there.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I'm gonna say twenty percent.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I'll go a little bit higher.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It's been an interesting offseason with them because I feel
like there was like a narrative of Oh, it's just
like Aaron Rodgers wasn't even good last year and the
Jets are terrible, and I feel like it's starting to
skew the other way and my whole thing. I think
there's something wrong in Buffalo. Dan, you and I talked
about this a few weeks ago with Josh Allen and
(35:03):
the Stefan Diggs stuff in Miami.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Obviously two has got to stay healthy. So I'll go
thirty five percent.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And the reason I put it at twenty percent is
because they would have Buffalo a bit higher. But I
think last year I would have had Buffalo at seventy
five eighty percent. Sure, now it's about about thirty five
forty percent.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, and I do like the Dolphins. Yeah, yeah, i'd
like the Dolphins as well.
Speaker 10 (35:25):
All right, what are the chances Baker Mayfield starts week
one for the Bucks?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
You want this one? Torres?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean is there some like new pieces like has
he been really bad?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I mean I'll say seventy percent.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
I mean, yeah, he was. That's why, you know, that's
what he was signed for. I'll say seven percent.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I'm going to go the opposite.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And you know the news that he and Kyle Trask
were put as co number ones. I you know, I'll
stick with Torres.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I'll say seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I was going to go the other way on it,
but then I thought, you know what, it's easier to
go from Baker to Trask than it is vice versa.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
True spirit point.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
All right, what are the chances the acc ads, Stanford
and kel.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I'll be quick, I'll say fifteen percent. Does it make sense?
School president's one of robelbos with those nerds. But I
don't think anybody else wants Sorry, that's the truth. Presidents
love saying, oh we're friends, war buddies with Stanford.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Zero percent, zero percent, There is no chance. It's such
a sign of desperation. They're the ninth and tenth best
options out of the PAC twelve. And you think that's
going to save your conference. Take care of Florida State
and Clemson first, that's what you should do.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
All right, Well, that's game time.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
All right, Monzi Blagos get her again at Moncey Belanos.
He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Bayer coming up next. Can
you believe it? Some kids are already back to school.
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coach has to apologize for something they said in training camp.
I mean, like, we're already up to two and we're
only on August ninth right now, so I think that
there's plenty of time for everybody to get their apologies.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
In, so I was actually thinking about that as Monty
was kind of updating that story. It feels like Ron Rivera.
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. It feels like one
that he's been there more than just this fourth season,
and even though he did have a good first year
and there was a lot of turmoil in the locker room,
all that stuff.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Feels like it's kind of run its course.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I'm not rooting for anybody to lose their job, and
I'm not saying it he will, but in a division
where there's actual talent in the NFC, which you can't
say that for all of them, I don't know. It
just feels like the Ron Rivera thing has run its course.
And yeah, not a good twenty four hours for him.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
The reason for firing could be just maybe if he
agreed with the commander's name something. Absolutely still loathe that name.
I'm okay with it. But that's for another day at
another time, and we're going to get to that in
about seventy five minutes or so. But right now, in
the next seventy five seconds, heck, and next five seconds.
The infomercial that aired last night on HBO was quite something.
(01:59):
There was There was no it was no ron Co
set it in forget it, but it was it was
quite the show in painting the New York Jets as
quite the team in the National Football League and a
team that I don't know they were trying to get
everybody to love the New York Jets. But there's a
bigger picture here, and it's not a review of episode
(02:21):
one of Hard Knocks, but it did seem like Aaron
that there was There was a lot of Sauce Gardner,
there was a lot of Garrett Wilson, and then there
was just an enormous amount of Aaron Rodgers. And we
know what Rogers has gone through in this entire offseason,
and it just seems in a way and Rogers has
(02:42):
been he would say stuff to the to the Green
Bay media, was was forthcoming a lot with that.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
So that isn't necessarily different.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
I just get the sense that maybe the NFL, you know,
are the ones who are like, you know what, we
really have to cash in on Aaron Rodgers and him
being in New that it's not even as much of
the Jets and them trying to get to a Super Bowl,
and maybe winning a super Bowl and getting to the
playoffs and all of that that the NFL, in their
main training camp machine of hard knocks, really put forth.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
An effort to make sure that Aaron Rodgers was putting
a good light.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, do you feel like because of the emphasis on
Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson as in addition to Aaron
Rodgers that it was almost like a hey, look, it's
not just Aaron Rodgers, you know, you know, like like
and I think I think it's like it is a joint,
you know, media effort to like, hey, no, the Jets,
(03:37):
don't forget it's not just Rogers. It's not just gonna
be a circus, like, oh no, they got some real
players here and so and this and by the way,
this is why we chose them, not just because they
have a new quarterback and it's gonna be a mess
because he had a weird ending in his last spot
and this organization has been a mess previously. It's like
he basically chose this spot because there is some young talents.
So listen, I'm not really that surprised. I mean, we
(04:01):
you know, you and I we've talked to you know.
It was a conversation in this space, probably about three
four weeks ago about kind of where Hard Knocks is
and where Hard Knocks is going and where it was
and all that. But I just think that last night
was probably a reflection of, Hey, this is why we
still do this. It is still behind the scenes, it
is an interesting team, and remember the Jets are interesting
(04:23):
outside of Aaron Rodgers. So interesting debut to say the least,
four Hard Knocks on.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
You know, and it does lend to the bigger picture,
and you know, there is the conversation of is this
vehicle worthwhile?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
And truly, I truly believe that it is. Even though
I wasn't a huge fan of last night's episode and
didn't give me a huge, you know, a desire to
wait for next week, I'm gonna watch every episode. I
watch every episode and have for the for the last
decade or so. It's actually a part of my sports
calendar that I bring up so much. Part of getting
(04:56):
through training camp is that Tuesday night with HBO and
Hard Knocks, and it's it's a TV show as well,
and there are some good seasons and there are some
bad seasons, and maybe in the future they're going to
start to focus on some of the players that we
don't know, and it seemed like they tried to do
that in the Hall of Fame game, but I don't.
I think I understand.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The Jets were one of the four or five.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Teams that were eligible, and of those four or five.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Teams that were eligible, you're right, they were by far
and away the most intriguing storyline, at least with the
star power of how things would go. But there's also
the story of things could go sideways. The Sean Payton
comments were brought up. There was a camera on the side.
We saw Pete Schrager interviewing Aaron Rodgers and we heard
(05:47):
Rogers say, you know, keep you know, my coach's name
out of your mouth. Hard Knocks was there, but I
felt like we had seen that already, and that's part
of the whole, the whole deal. Leev Schreiber was there,
the voice of the show, and he even showed up
and said, you're like, why do people not want to
do the show? And Rogers is like, Oh, I think
they feels it's a wait let me do my Aaron
Rodgers think it's a destruction. Oh that's my Aaron Rodgers
(06:11):
impersonation because sometimes sometimes he talks like this and then
he's like, but you know, but it's been great so far.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So it was just it was just that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
And I think I think the Lions as a team
last year really set a high bar for the programming
that we desire, and there was so much going with
the Lions, this stuff that you can't manufacture, like and
that's the that's the issue with I don't think Hard
Knocks should go away just because I wasn't a huge
fan and didn't learn, you know, a whole lot about
(06:40):
the Jets or what was going on at camp. Even
though that wasn't the case last night, I still don't
think that the show should go away.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
It's interesting because I've kind of done I've done three
different rotations on this. So when the conversation first started
three four weeks ago, I was like, Eh, you know,
it's it's Hard Knocks, it's whatever. Not everything is for everybody,
especially in the world we live in. If they want
to keep doing it, people will watch. I have no problem. Then,
over the last couple of weeks, as it became clear listen,
(07:08):
they're not gonna show anybody getting cut all that good stuff.
It's like, on the one hand, you know, you don't
want to see the worst moment of a person's life,
but that's kind of what made Hard Knocks hard knocks,
and so I kind of sat there and said, you
know what, if this is just gonna be a watered down,
boring version of Hard Knocks, then I don't want it.
But the point that you just made is that like
(07:29):
any good show, there's gonna be good seasons and bad seasons,
highs and lows. I actually now am back on team.
It's okay to keep Hard Knocks again. It's not gonna
be for everybody. But your point on the Lions is
so well taken. Is that the Lion's thing it felt
like last summer, and this might happen with the Jets too.
You never listen, something might happen in that locker room,
(07:50):
something crazy, something interesting, whatever. I don't think they really
have the personalities outside of Aaron Rodgers for that to happen. Like,
I don't think Robert sala is gonna say something crazy.
I don't think the ownership. It's not like if Jerry
Jones was you know, Jerry Jones's team was running the
show here, But why I bring it up is because
it felt like last year Hard Knocks had not only
(08:11):
a revival, but there was like a momentum about it
over the summer where if you didn't watch that first episode,
it felt like by week two, week three, you almost
felt like you were being left out. I remember a
few years ago when the Browns, it was with Hugh
Jackson and it was a mess, and I think it
was Baker's rookie year, and and that was another year
where it felt like, Okay, if you if you're not watching,
(08:34):
you gotta see this Hugh Jackson guy. He's a bigger
mess than you thought he was. And so I just
bring it up because in time, we'll see what this
season becomes. But I do wonder if there is an
element of some years it's really gonna pop, some years
it's not gonna be as good. But just because every
year isn't Dan Campbell biting kneecaps doesn't mean that we
(08:56):
need to cancel the show altogether.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
You're you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Dan Campbell was the only guy that we knew from
the Lions that were like, oh that could that could
be interesting, And you know, for the for the one
time he actually that lived up to the billing.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There were there were.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Seasons passed where you're like, oh, this this person could
be great and you're kind of left disappointed because.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
It's not organic.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But all of a sudden, next thing, you know, for
the Lions, Jamal Williams becomes even more of a star
for for all of his antics. Rodrigo Malcolm Rodriguez, the
linebacker that you know last year, was a rookie coming
in from Oklahoma State. His storyline was great. Reminds me
of what the Bengals did it And Giovanni Bernard was
driving around in his van and all of a sudden,
you know, he made a name for himself.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
That stuff was That stuff was organic.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And that's just the and and maybe it's the case
that that's going to be With the Jets, there is
a there is an angle that they touched on a
little bit last night, and you know you're gonna hear
a clip of it. But I know Jason Stewart's got
got a question at least about this topic.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Jay, what's up?
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Just real fast, Dan, because I didn't see it last
night and I'm going to watch it, I promise, But
tell me that there is slow motion footage of the
the grass getting sprayed with water?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Is there slow motion sprink cors painting?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm trying to think, and I already deleted it off
the DVR. I'm sure I could bring it up, you know,
I forgot. Oh you know they started it. They started
it with this montage of Joe Namath and the Jets.
That's what they started with. I know I caught John
Ramos by surprise, but so that's how they started it off,
in doing the throwback and football's you know back in
(10:34):
New York, which, by the way, Hector Giants made the
playoffs last year. But it was just like this of
now you've got to start quarterback in New York and
that was kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
The the opening. I'm trying to think if there was
the the.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, I would be disappointed because for the last twenty years,
it seems like any time they needed a way to
bridge one scene from the other, just throwing the slow
motion sprink cors.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I'm sure they don't even have to do a new one.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
It just could be like stock footage, just slow motion
of the spring quarts, like wait, is that Chad Johnson
and T. J. Houschman's not in the background. What Oh,
I guess that's all footage. Oh man, I will say
if they wanted to do the throwback instead of Joe Namath,
you know what they should have done Dan, They should
have done the year Rex Ryan was on with Hard
that was a great You talk about a great season,
(11:23):
there was a lot. I think it was just one
long bleep. I don't think Rex Ryan said a single
word that they that actually made air, But that was
a great season. Mark Sanchez, Uh, who else they? I
think Revis was on the team still, I can't remember
everybody on the team, but that.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Was a great season.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Mart Scott, Yeah, the the U, the uh the name
that that I think is is a focus is going
to be delayed because John Ramos has a question, John,
what's up?
Speaker 7 (11:51):
I was gonna say that is this something that is
when they record this show?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I love, I Love.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Just quickly John goes to me, are a quick question?
But the mic wasn't there. All of a sudden, the
mic gets handhandled.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That's his new signature. He doesn't go on the year
without the mic adjustment.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He's in my ear.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
And then but go ahead, John, the question to you
and is this is these are done weekly, Like whatever
happened in last night's show was something that happened this
past week or is it?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Okay, so last two weeks got it past two weeks?
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Okay, that's what I wanted to know, thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And next week's episode will be basically from anything that
probably happened late yesterday up until early Tuesday of next week.
So all of that is, all of that is fair game.
And that's and it's it does go like along the way.
That's why there was a lot of Hall of Fame
game stuff towards the latter part of it, and that's
where you saw Zac Wilson. And that's actually where I
(12:52):
think that the focus guys should be when you're talking about,
you know, this team and I get it, I'm not
I'm not saying don't focus on as I understand that
you know how big of a deal it is. And
shaus Gardner getting his diploma and going to Cincinnati, that's awesome,
that's that is something that should make the show. How
Garrett Wilson's trying to make it to the next level.
(13:14):
I understand all that. But what made Hard Knocks great
was it's called hard Knocks, like it's not just c
great hits in training camp, because they were hardly hit
in training camp. It's the the ups and downs, the
roller coasters, and the tough times that you have during
this grind. And I think that the toughest grind over
the last couple of years for anybody in New York
has been Zach Wilson. They did focus on him. He
(13:36):
talked about his last two years last night of the episode.
Speaker 8 (13:38):
Or obviously the last two years have been have been
tough and just trying to find the way as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Honestly, things kind of.
Speaker 8 (13:44):
Feel like they were maybe getting a little bit worse
each week and confidence was going down, so uh, you know,
not always fun.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
By the way, that music was two videos of Wilson
just getting pummeled. That's what it was. I know we
can't do that audio.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You don't know the visual, but I think that's the
story that you then end up following through camp.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
What's happening with Zach Wilson? How is it? Maybe that's
something more of considering. Remember the comments.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Last year like gonna make it really difficult, and the
next guy that comes in here, yep, you know then
it's Aaron Rodgers, Like that's what I guess I kind
of wanted more to see, and I know it's more
of like a TV production sort of thing, but I
do think that the NFL is like, let's get our
stars out there. Let's talk about Rogers, let's talk about Sauce,
let's talk about Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
In that sort of message.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Yeah, and that's exactly what I was thinking, was Listen,
I understand, you know, play the hits. Aaron Rodgers is
by far the biggest star, and it is still a
relatively interesting story.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I feel like we've.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Gotten a little Aaron Rodgers' oversaturation, Like the last couple
of months. I mean, he goes to a Knixt game,
he goes to a Rangers game. He's done a few
inter I can't even remember everything that he's done. You know,
he obviously gave back money. There was the conversation about
he called Jordan, and like Zach Wilson is kind of
the opposite, right, Like this guy was literally twelve months ago,
(15:05):
or maybe it's more like twenty four months going now,
but he was deemed to be the savior of the
organization and he just gets shoved to the side. And
so like that's the perfect example of and maybe they will,
and you know, maybe the producers are listening to us
right now, but that's the kind of thing that they
used to dive really deep into that kind of conversation,
(15:25):
and I hope they get into more of that as
the show goes on, because as Aaron Rodgers is interesting,
I get why you want to feature him in the
first episode, but those are the kinds of things that
made Hard Knocks Hard Knocks is guys like zequills and stories.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
There was a point where one of the players grabbed
the boom mic and was like, Aaron Rodgers is a
great player, a great person.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Don't believe what you hear in the media. Ooh.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
And it just felt like out of the thousands of
hours of footage like that ended up making the fifty minutes,
you know. So it's like that sort of thing of like,
look at how Rogers gets along with his teammates, and
he probably does. It just seem like there was quite
the concerted effort to put that message forward. He's Era Torres.
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month if you are a TV viewer that loves sports
and loves great stories. We started off talking about hard Knocks,
but maybe the one that's making the most waves is
the long awaited Aaron Johnny Manzell documentary that dropped.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
It was last night. It was yesterday that it dropped
on Netflix.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
I believe it.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
Like weirdly, it was like two am on Monday and Tuesday.
I don't I don't know why, but I had a
friend who was live tweeting at that time, like oh
hour till this thing goes live, and I was like,
it's like eleven o'clock on the West coast here.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This was Monday night into Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Maybe maybe the time zones, Like, was it was your
friend in California?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Was he a different part of the country.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
No, he's in Texas. He's an Aggie maybe.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
So he was two hours ahead of you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, I don't think this was the best listen. I'm
not telling anyone else how to run their business.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But that Netflix, listen up, Torres has got something.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
I mean you, I mean you know we we we
just re redid the whole Hard Knocks premise in the
last segment.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
So today now I'm going in on or this segment,
I'm going in on Netflix. This is good.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Well, this is this is interesting because I mean when
you look at at college football and and just how
much passions is behind the sport, it is usually the
school brands, Like there are players who have transcended college football,
(18:51):
but you would be surprised, really, I think at how
few there are. That's not to say that there aren't
great college football players, but there are some that just
break through, like like Reggie Bush broke through, Cam Newton
broke through. Obviously, Heisman Trophy winners and you have to
be a trophy winner or a near top player to
(19:13):
have to have that ability to break through. But the
Johnny Manzel breakthrough, to me, was was astounding for the
simple fact of I remember the year when he won
the Heisman Aaron because the Heisman actually belonged to Gino
Smith for about six games that season, and then all
of a sudden, we start looking at the what's going
(19:33):
on in college station, and then it was Johnny Manzel's
from you know, I don't know what early October or
whatever the case was the Alabama game, and then from
there it just never stopped. It absolutely never stopped. So
to me, it's like this meteor that just comes out
of nowhere and then all of a sudden, Johnny Football
is here. And truly like over the last twenty twenty
(19:57):
five years, i'd say top two or top three the
football name brands that we've seen in the sport of
college football.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
So I don't know if you've seen it, and I
don't not.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Okay, full disclosure, I did not see the documentary.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
I didn't want to put you on blast on a
bunch of stations nationwide. But why I bring it up.
You basically got right there. Your memory is excellent. So
even though you haven't seen it, the memory is excellent
because you got to several themes that came out during
that documentary. Is first of all, you know, and I
don't think I'm gonna spoil too much, but one of
(20:31):
the themes was you talked about how the brand is
usually bigger than the player. This was one thing that
I don't think I fully appreciated was that basically, Johnny
football is the guy who made the modern day. The
Texas A and M that is now paying Jimbo Fisher
nine million dollars to go five and seven is a
direct reflection of Johnny Manziel. They get into that, and
(20:52):
he really did become bigger than the sport. And then
what I also didn't realize is you obviously remember again
the Heisman Trophy, but but the Alabama game, I mean,
everyone in his circle kind of points to that was
the moment that things were never the same. And then again,
I don't think I'm giving away spoilers because most of
it is common knowledge, and certainly you just touched on
(21:13):
a lot of it, Dan, But that was the third thing,
which I do think is pretty obvious, is that he
publicly talks about how it changed overnight. I mean, people
forget this now, but he got arrested before that season, and.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Nobody even knew who it was.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
I mean, they show video clips of the sportscasters mispronouncing
his name, Johnny Manziel, who's in competition to be the
Aggie starting quarterback. That's like August eighteenth, and by December eighteenth,
he's flying across country with Drake, hanging out in a
private jet. So listen, I'll let everybody else see the
(21:50):
documentary and decide for themselves. Is Johnny Manzela's sympathetic figure.
I found him to be more sympathetic than I expected.
But so many of those themes that you just hit
Dan are very prevalent in the documentary. And again, this
wasn't you know, this wasn't a whatever. This was literally
even like I'll just give you a quick example and
(22:10):
toss back to you, like even somebody like Zion Williamson, Right,
he was so big a duke, but there was like
a two or three year period when he was in
high school where he had YouTube clips that were getting
a million views and everybody kind of knew who he was.
Manzell literally went from a guy that we weren't even
sure was going to be the starting quarterback to, as
you said, an international celebrity. He was kind of the first,
(22:32):
and people have said this the first social media celebrity
of the college sports era. It's a very well done documentary.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I call it part of the recipe, like what is
the recipe for emergence and stardom? And the reason I
say that is, you know, I bring up Reggie Bush's
name for a couple of reasons. Number One, freak athlete,
just just just different on the football field, had that
immediate star power at a place that has star power.
(23:01):
I mean, you're in LA, You're at USC, the brand
is there, you're winning, you can live that Hollywood lifestyle
if you choose. I mean, there was no NFL team.
All of that plays a part into it, just like
with Tim Tebow in Florida, Florida Gators emerging from the
SEC Urban Meyer Tebow and really on just what a solid,
(23:25):
good guy he is, winner, intense, all like, all of
it ends up playing into the recipe and Manzell's recipe.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
My goodness. As you said, it's crazy because he came.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
On the scene just boom like that. But it's also
shows the power of Texas A and M.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
I also think the SEC. It was their first year
in the SEC, remember.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, And the power of Texas football and while while
in that state of Texas high school football, what the
sport means to the entire Long Horn state. But also
you bring in part of that equation too, is you're
coming off of a time where Texas had been at
a peak off the Vince Young off you know, the
(24:10):
Colt McCoy eras and the the top players are there,
and here you have a guy and the biggest maybe
part of the recipe is you can just call him
Johnny Football, like like like the like.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
That name just fits.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
And I'm not saying that the branding of the name
of Johnny Football led to everything that went along with it,
but man, did it work. And and that's the that's
like the crazy thing to me of It's just how
many different things, like how many you know, great quarterbacks
as Texas A and M had, well, you know over
the you know, over the years. I don't remember too many.
(24:45):
Ryan Tannehill, you know, you know Kellen Mond started the other.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Side, Kellen Mond dirty like that man.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
But even prior you know to that, as he said,
like you're in the SECI who is who are we remembering?
And so now here is a star stud guy and
ends up being that school's I mean they, I mean
they live and die, like the top top five place
to go see a college football game, Texas A and
(25:11):
M is on that list.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And all of that adds to the recipe of Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Well, and I'll say too, I do think there was
as weird as it sounds. And again this is part
of the rise, but also the downfall is there was
like a weird everyman quality to him, right again Johnny Football,
that just sounds like a dude that you know whatever,
but also do that you want to hang out with.
And they get into a lot of like the fun
partying stuff of like, oh remember when he showed up
(25:36):
in the Scooby Doo costume on Halloween, Like that's fun
obviously compared to where he ended up, but it was
funny because you know, I was kind.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Of watching it.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
My wife was in the room doing something else and
she wasn't really paying attention, and she was like, man, like,
how big? Like even when they're interviewing, how big is
that guy? And I think that was part of it too,
was like he's a five. It's almost like the Steph
Curry thing, right, Like, why does everybody like Steph Curry?
Speaker 5 (25:59):
It's because he's six two six three.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
You feel like in a different world, maybe you could
have been stepped could you could never be lebron because
you're not six ten with with you know, forty two
inch vertically, but you could have been maybe Steph Curry
in another world.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
And I think that was a lot of.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
The The appeal of Johnny Manzel as well is again
the everyman, the guy that you know it. You know,
you'd see you'd see him dominate on the field, and
then you see him at the frat party after, you know,
five foot ten uh doing things that he's not supposed
to be doing in his size.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
It was a very interesting trip down memory lane.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
I think there's some stuff that people that that that
that followed the story will obviously remember. I think there's
a lot though that they dive into that that maybe
people have forgotten.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
About how much like weighted wise is it college versus NFL?
Like like is it like twenty five percent college? And
then the rest is what's happened once he entered the
NFL and after or no, would you break it down.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I'll be blunt. I would say this is that. I'll
try to be as quick with my math as I
can be. I would say it's probably probably like fifty percent.
I'd say this, it's like forty percent college, twenty percent
NFL draft, which there was a lot of really interesting
stuff there. Twenty percent NFL downfall, and then I will say,
(27:15):
if there's a criticism of the documentary, it felt like
they squeezed everything post NFL into like a win, like
the post NFL stuff should have been longer.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
I don't think they wanted to dwell on.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
It because you know, he at least said he at
least appears publicly to be in a better place than
he was even I don't know, three years ago, two
years ago, whatever, Sure, but it's not as the last
you know, the last ten minutes felt like it probably
should have been like twenty to twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Gotcha, hope that makes sense?
Speaker 5 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, bad math on my part. I think they're
too by the way, But.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
The changing of the schedules Matt mentioned it's not uncommon.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Happens in other leagues in.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Europe as well, because if in the further you advance
in these cup competitions, you have to play these matches.
So it's not necessarily uncommon. It's just that Miami dunk
so much that you never thought that they would actually
advance that far, and so now you know, and Charlotte
too as well. Like if Charlotte was in it, they
couldn't have played the match. They would have had to
reschedule it anyway, but the messy debut in the MLS
is gonna have to wait. Get Moncey again on social
(28:14):
media at Monzi Blanos, He's Errentoris. I'm Dan byer in
for Doug Gottlieb. Today, so much talk about conference realignment, Aaron,
But since you're in, I figured we could take sixty seconds,
one hundred and twenty seconds or so.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
How do you think this is going to affect college basketball?
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Because we talked so much about football, and then what
we say is what about the other sports, the non
revenue sports? But here you've got a solid number two
in college basketball that I don't think anybody is really
talking about. Are there any things that could fall out
or anything that could fall out with the moves of
Oregon and Washington to the Big ten and all the
defections to the you know, Big twelve from the Pac
(28:50):
twelve that you think could affect college hoops?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Bluntly, I'll try to be quick here, but I think
your point is well taken is that I don't think
a lot of it has been thought out because so
much of a focus has been on football. I mean,
even football put out the twenty twenty fourth schedule in
the Big Ten that they now have to go ahead
and red which, by the way, I feel bad for
the guy that spent like six months of his life
putting together that schedule. They're like, oh, can you just
(29:15):
find some games for Oregon in here as well? I
don't think we know, because I remember even last year
when that initial wave happened with Texas or with USC
and UCLA, and I remember Tom Izzo and Chris Holtman,
the Ohio State coach in basketball, we're really outspoken of.
So like where are games gonna be played? Like are
(29:36):
they gonna be on FS one? Are they gonna be
on a streaming service? Are they gonna be on Big Fox?
Are they gonna be on Big CBS? And so I
think all of those things are still getting figured out.
And so again, like you said, the focus is on football,
and we always thought it's gonna be awesome to see
Oregon hosting Penn State and it will be make no mistake.
But are we still gonna have those pac twelve Thursday
(29:57):
night college basketball games?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Are Are we going to be traveling in pods?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Like?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Are Oregon and Washington is gonna be traveling together. Are
USC and UCLA gonna be traveling together? I can tell
you that that you know, as of about two two
and a half months ago, I talked to a staff
member of one of those programs and they they were
pretty much in the dark. I don't, you know, I
don't want to give giveaway too much, but but while
certainly things had been discussed internally, there wasn't like a
(30:25):
memo from the Big Ten of this is how we're
doing it. This is how long you'll be on the road,
This is how many road trips you'll have. This is
how many consecutive games you'll have at home. So there's
a lot of work by a lot of people to
be done for those four West Coast schools going to
the Big Ten, and even obviously the three new schools,
the four new schools, I should say, in the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
It seems to take Gonzaga out of the Big twelve picture, though,
doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, there was some talk about some basketball only schools,
including MI Alma Mater. I don't think that there's going
to be I think the Big twelve is pretty set
at at at the sixteen that they have.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
That's that's what I would say.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
And honestly, there'd be no point for Gonzaga to move
to the Mountain West or yes, whatever, it would be
the new Pack, you know whatever, if they made the
change about was just stay at the West Coast Conference.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah, And there's there's that talk as well, is that
does a state like does a Stanford go independent in
football and then send their basketball to the WCC or
someplace like that. So what I will say is for
those four remaining schools especially, there are no good answers.
I know that's not breaking news, but everybody is in
scramble mode because everybody's trying to figure out what their
(31:34):
next step is and there are obviously are not a
lot of good answers.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
He's here and Tores.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I'm Dan Byer, sitting in for Doug Gottlieb and coming
up next on The Doug Gottlieb Show Live from the
Tireraq dot Com studios. What are the chances Kirk Cousins
is playing in his final year for the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
We'll let you know next.
Speaker 9 (31:49):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show week days at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
And We're alive for the tirak dot Com studios. I'm
Dan Byer. He's Aaron Torres, sitting in on this Wednesday,
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Aaron Underscore Torres. That's on x You can find me
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twelve minutes or so.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
But right now, let's play a game.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
Hey, this is game Time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
She's back. It's Monty Milanios.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
It's me.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
I'm the problem. It's me.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Ah, very good. Still off the high of that ship.
Speaker 10 (32:37):
Concert in hundred you went, Yes, I gave up a
kidney to get a loan, but I got there.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
It's okay.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
She was feeling it yesterday. She was.
Speaker 9 (32:47):
I was a little tired.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah you get Did you get the two am text
like you did after volleyball?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
That one time?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Dan?
Speaker 6 (32:53):
Or no.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Special? That was a special one day. It was the
wrong Dan the record.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Let the record show on six hundred stations nationwide. I
want it to be clear.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah, scare the crap out of me, Like who's texting
out one thirty in the morning, and then it's a
group tax tons great softball game tonight volleyball.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, that's right, My bad. That was the worst part.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
That was a group message. Anyway, John, what are the chances?
Speaker 9 (33:20):
What are the chances?
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Fellas?
Speaker 10 (33:22):
All right, what are the chances? This is Kirk cousins
final season with the Vikings.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
If you would have asked me a week ago, I
would have been the opposite side of the spectrum.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I'm going to say five percent.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
If anybody has played the quarterback contract game the best,
it's Kirk Cousins. And I think in the end, the
Vikings are going to be good enough and they're not
going to be ready to move off of Kirk Cousins.
I don't think the Vikings bought them out at all.
I think they take a step back, but I don't
think they bought him out, and that will be the
reason that they bring him back again next year and
(33:55):
maybe even for the next couple of years.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, I would say maybe a little bit higher, but
I think it's a seris. I think the point is
very well taken. Is with the division with some uncertainty
with green Bay. Obviously Detroit is getting a lot of hype.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Well, they live up to it. It's like, you know, you.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Win nine ten games, even eight games, you like, you
probably got to bring them back, and so I'd say
twenty percent of them.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
Being all right, what.
Speaker 10 (34:19):
Are the chances that the Jets win the AFC East?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Oh, after last night, you think this team may not
lose a game. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say
I'll think Aaron's twenty percent. Yeah, I think it's I
still think there are just too many good teams there.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
I'm gonna say twenty percent.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
I'll go a little bit higher.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It's been an interesting offseason with them because I feel
like there was like a narrative of Oh, it's just
like Aaron Rodgers wasn't even good last year and the
Jets are terrible, and I feel like it's starting to
skew the other way and my whole thing. I think
there's something wrong in Buffalo. Dan, you and I talked
about this a few weeks ago with Josh Allen and
(35:03):
the Stefan Diggs stuff in Miami.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
Obviously two has got to stay healthy. So I'll go
thirty five percent.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And the reason I put it at twenty percent is
because they would have Buffalo a bit higher. But I
think last year I would have had Buffalo at seventy
five eighty percent. Sure, now it's about about thirty five
forty percent.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Yeah, and I do like the Dolphins. Yeah, yeah, i'd
like the Dolphins as well.
Speaker 10 (35:25):
All right, what are the chances Baker Mayfield starts week
one for the Bucks?
Speaker 3 (35:31):
You want this one? Torres?
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean is there some like new pieces like has
he been really bad?
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I mean I'll say seventy percent.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
I mean, yeah, he was. That's why, you know, that's
what he was signed for. I'll say seven percent.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
I'm going to go the opposite.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
And you know the news that he and Kyle Trask
were put as co number ones. I you know, I'll
stick with Torres.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I'll say seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I was going to go the other way on it,
but then I thought, you know what, it's easier to
go from Baker to Trask than it is vice versa.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
True spirit point.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
All right, what are the chances the acc ads, Stanford
and kel.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
I'll be quick, I'll say fifteen percent. Does it make sense?
School president's one of robelbos with those nerds. But I
don't think anybody else wants Sorry, that's the truth. Presidents
love saying, oh we're friends, war buddies with Stanford.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Zero percent, zero percent, There is no chance. It's such
a sign of desperation. They're the ninth and tenth best
options out of the PAC twelve. And you think that's
going to save your conference. Take care of Florida State
and Clemson first, that's what you should do.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
All right, Well, that's game time.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
All right, Monzi Blagos get her again at Moncey Belanos.
He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Bayer coming up next. Can
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