May 23, 2025 • 37 mins
Dan Beyer and NBA Veteran Ryan Hollins fill in for Doug and react to the Thunder taking a commanding series lead over the Timberwolves. The man himself, Doug Gottlieb, drops by to break down what he expects in Game 2 between the Pacers and Knicks. Plus, who will win the NBA Finals... in 2026?!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well will the Garden provide us tonight? And are half
the NBA Finals already set? Just some of the things
we're talking about on a Friday, likely an extended weekend
for many. Welcome man, it is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
He's the NBA vet. Ryan Hollins, I'm Dan Byer sitting
in for Doug, but we're gonna hear Doug's thoughts on
last night's Game two win by the Thunder coming up
(00:40):
in about twenty minutes or so, plus a look ahead
to tonight's matchup in New York City between the Pacers
and the next Happy Friday, Ryan Hollins, how are.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You doing good? Brother? Appreciate it?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is this is a fun time. We are hitting
the stretch run of the NBA Playoffs leading up to
the NBA Finals, and now the Oklahoma City Thunder are
sitting there up to to oh on the Minnesota Timberwolves
after winning last night in Oklahoma City, I for one
thought the Timberwolves would have something to pay back from
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Game one, and it didn't happen last night. Ryan Hollins,
the Thunder again putting on a run separating themselves from Minnesota,
and now Oklahoma City is just two wins away from
advancing to an NBA Finals. How surprised are you that
the Thunder right now sits too oh up on Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Man, I'm not surprised at all. And the reason that
I'm not surprised it's a horrible matchup. Anthony Edwards is
not to the point in his career where he can
manipulate defenses. The way that Minnesota is set up is
they're more athletic. They're they're they're they're big and tall
and versatile across the board. And though wow, that's normally
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a recipe for success, you're not gonna out athletic Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City pressure the basketball better than anybody we see
in the NBA. And if there is a weakness, Dan
and Dan, you've heard me speak about this, the weakness
is attacking them inside. You can attack inside, you can
hit the boards, you can be physical with them, and
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if you don't have that, you're not going to be
able to beat this group off the bounce. And it's
really contrary to where the NBA is played. So that's
why Nikola Jokic, you know how to field to it.
That's why you can argue if Aaron Gordon does it
pull his hamstring, that you know that's Denver possibly advancing.
But this match up right here is horrible from Minnesota
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and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Why doesn't Minnesota at least try to do more. I
feel like when I'm watching them, at least go to
the basket, Ryan Hollins. Last night they are having success,
and it's a point after Game one, when Minnesota shot
fifty one threes heck on this show, Doug said, well,
Oklahoma City wasn't giving that, so the Timberwolves were taking
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what they were given. And I think that plays right
into Oklahoma City's hand. If you're shooting fifty one threes
like they did in Game one, not as many in
last night's loss. I felt that they were a bit
more aggressive. But is it just strictly personnel? Is it
Rudy Gobert's lack of an offensive game, why can't the
Timberwolves take advantage?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, yes, yes, and yes, And for one, let's dive
in if Rudy go Bear was more dominant, not just
against guys his size, when he's just sees a switch,
when he sees a guy that's smaller, and it doesn't
even have to be a post up. It could be
him rebounding him saying that, hey, you know what, maybe
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I'm not going to post up, but I'm going to
post up your guards. You're not going to switch right now,
there is no fear. And if chet Holmgren can guard
Rudy Gobert or you can't get physical with Chet Holmgren,
he's going to dominate. And that's why you see him
having so much more success because off ball, not on ball,
there's a different off ball. He's a spectacular shot blocker,
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and what that does is when you have him out
there blocking shots, hitting threes defensively, Okase really ramps it
up because they know when I pressure the basketball, if
I get beat, I got help behind me. Chet's athletic
enough to provide that help. But on ball, if you
attack his lack of strength, that's where he can struggle.
(04:19):
And again That's why you really see him flourishing in
this series. Because of his game of athleticism. He can
cover ground, he can run with the best of them,
and that's why he's playing so much better right there.
And that's something that Minnesota doesn't have. Like you mentioned,
Minnesota's gonna beat you by the drive in Oklahoma, City's
incredibly smart. I'll give you this real quick, Dan, when
we had success against him and our guys beat him.
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The one thing they did, which is funny, and they
switch it different. They don't just have an on ball defense.
They have a team defense for everybody. Fred van Vliet.
Whenever Fred joked the basketball, all they did is fan
back out to the Houston Rockets. The reason they did
that is he said, we're gonna take the pass away
from Fred, make Fred be a score. We end up
beating them. I think Fred had you know, thirty five
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or thirty six points that game. And when Jalen Green drove,
you saw five and six guys in the paint. They're
so smart. They were playing playoff basketball in the regular
season and picked up where they left off. Remember with
Peyton Manning and the one knock on Peyton Manning. Everybody
would say that Peyton Manning was playing playoff football in
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the regular season, that's why he didn't have postseason success.
So you saw a little bit of that with Oklahoma City.
But nonetheless, man, they're an extremely intelligent defense.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Can you play playoff basketball? Because that was to be
the thing that I would say, like, you can't. You
can't do it until you're actually in that situation. And
I would actually argue, just for the old adage right now,
that the Thunder haven't done anything in this series for
the simple fact of you know what I'm about to say,
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the series doesn't start until the road team wins a
game in the series. Like that's the adage, right if
when somebody broke takes up the home court advantage or
the team with the advantage goes on the road wins
a game, that's when we know that the series could tilt.
But right now, Oklahoma City has done just what they've
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needed to do. I think we're gonna see a completely
different story, obviously a different atmosphere Saturday night in Minneapolis.
But I'm just wondering how much the Thunder have accomplished
and if you can really play that playoff basketball in
the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I don't feel good about it Dan, and this is why. Okay,
what do we know Anthony Edwards for Dan scoring, scoring,
and but what about his personality?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh yeah, jokester card, the joker. Yeah, free uh, I
don't know, free spirits maybe the right way to immature,
you know, maybe a little immature.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, but he brings the energy. There's something about him
being himself kind of the head nodding, the trash talk,
will see you back in minute. You don't see that.
You you don't see the trash talk, the head nod,
the you know, he's not giving you that. And that's
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why I don't feel happy if I'm Minnesota, because it
means going. Man, they figured something out, and they got
multiple guys. They can throw Jaylen Williams, they can throw
door All NBA First Team, you can switch in like
Aunt Carusoe on the basketball. They are dogs and they
got enough to guard him, And you could argue even
more so, this team was built to guard guys like
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Anthony Edwards. They're probably more equipped to guard to Anthony
Edwards than they would be if he was in his
prime and he's older. Lebron okay, even Luka Doncic. You
know when he's really rolling because they're all their guards
are his size, they're quick, they can pressure you, they help,
their their help. Dan hear me when I say their help.
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Defense is disciplined. So they're frustrating Anthony Edwards in ways
that no other team in the entire NBA can possibly
Boston Celtics can get out and guard Anthony Edwards like that.
But right there, those are the two teams that can
guard him, and he run into one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
This is Minnesota head coach Chris Finch talking about what
is ahead Saturday night in Game three.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Every minute in a series is a chance to find something,
you know. So, uh, we're gonna go back home. This
is a you know, a good team, good team at home.
So we're gonna go home and you know, fight for
game three. I mean, heads up and look at the
table and get ready for Game three.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, So a lot of coaches speak there nothing, nothing shocking,
and you're probably about to hear more of the same
because he's going to talk about SGA. But there's there's
another level to all of this that I think is brewing.
But here's Chris Finch on j Gil just Alexander Obviously.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You know, Shay's a handful to contain. You know, he's
getting around us to you know, to when there's contact,
he's getting around us, and uh, you know, we gotta
do better job of square on him.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So there's there's there's that version. And then we saw
Aiden McDaniels push Shake Gil Just Alexander in the second
half ends up getting a flagrant one. Uh. Here's a
bunch from Jade McDaniels on on the follow last night
with SGA. Just soak this in Hollins if you will.
Was they're just a little frustration boying over how what
what kind.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Of I just just wanted to found him for.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I wasn't even mad it just half thousand es. Okay,
So so do we have another from Jade McDaniels on
the Okay, all right, so here's here's the funny thing
about this is he's now under their skin, right, I
(09:40):
mean you talk about Anthony Edwards and like how the
like we saw a clip of him kind of throwing
the ball at Shake Gil Just Alexander in game one.
And now it's the conversation of flopping and I and
I told you the last time we got together, a
couple of weeks ago, I'm like, Oklahoma City, they're gonna
be America's team because they're a team. They were the
(10:02):
squad that had Kevin Durant leave them, and while Russell
Westbrook tried to stay around and make things work, it
didn't happen. So they both parted ways, going in different directions.
But here is the rebound. Here is the comeback story.
And I am now starting to wonder Ryan Hollins if
that comeback story is going to be either foiled by
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SGA's antics because it has now become mainstream, or if
it's going to be a John Stockton sort of thing.
Is it going to be a Boston Celtics, Danny Ainge,
Dennis Johnson backcourt. You're like, man, these guys just get
under my skin. I get a feeling that that is
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what's going to happen, or is starting to happen with SGA.
When I see the Minnesota Timberwolves react the way that
they do on the grand scheme of things, I think
SGA is now starting to have that reputation. It is
now a mainstream topic. But if you have that reputation
and you're getting Jayden McDaniels to do that to make
that play at that point and just say, well I
(11:08):
had to follow. The give tells you that SGA is
getting under their skin and that is not a great
sign for Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well what's getting more so under their skin is that
Anthony Edwards and McDaniels they're American born. There's a there's
a cultural thing here. They're all black guys. With all
due respect, I don't want to make it a color thing,
but like there's a way culturally. Okay, my Hooper's notice,
(11:34):
Daniel Hooper will bring you into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
There's the way you play a long time ago, long
long time ago.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Danny Byers. There's a way that we play on the playground. Okay,
there's some trash talk, there's some head nod, and there's
some you know, I want to fight you, you want
to fight me? You hit me like that again one
more time. Like there's something that incites us American born
ball players that that that goes back to the streets. Okay,
that Anthony, that's why we get excited when we see
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man talk his trash right, and there's something about Lou
Dort and SG as Canadian ballers that it's like it's
and maybe it's just him. Maybe it's just SGA. Maybe
it's just the swag. It's the smooth tape where you
push in you do that. It's nothing McDaniels tried him.
Any other American player, for the most part, just normally
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is gonna do what Dan, you push me the way
that he pushed him. What's gonna happen down or somebody
jumping up? And then it's said, oh the man, Anthony
Edwards want that you throw the ball at me. I'm
throwing a ball at you. I gotta throw some trash.
Shane's just like, oh cool, cool, got him all right,
get buckets, swag out. I'm under the skill, keep playing basketball,
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all right. And that's what Dan, I'm telling you. It's
a guy who's been there before. That's frustrating. That's frustrating.
And and and we're playing two different styles of basketball.
Get to the foul line, wag out, play some defense,
you know, running a score up. And that's how ant
man gets going. We've seen it. They're not giving any
they're not feeding into it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's I think. I also think, and this is a
conversation we're gonna have. Doug Gottlieb, the host of this
show normally joined us in about ten minutes, and you
chopped it up with Doug earlier this week, Ryan, and
we'll do the same here coming up in a little bit.
But we were in agreement with Doug throughout the week.
And I don't know how you feel about it, but
that Anthony Edwards, I feel, is is it And I
(13:31):
think that fault while Shake Gildess Alexander has the MVP,
got the MVP. Last night we talked about face of
the League stuff, We talk about MVPs, we talk about
the next Lebron, the next Jordan, who is it going
to be? SGA is going to be a great player
in this league for a long long time. But to me,
he doesn't have it, and I feel that Anthony Edwards
has it to be that guy. And I think that's
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also what's getting under his skin is in the flopping
and some of the manipulation and the calls that they
get where you know when a guy is maybe not
as good as you, And I feel that that's how
Anthony Edwards like feels in this situation. And maybe the Turmberwolves,
in reference to their own Superstar field, the same way
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that maybe SGA isn't up to the talent level of
Anthony Edwards. But right now SGA is getting the best
of him, and I think that absolutely drives them bonkers.
And it's not only their series and it's a trip
to the NBA Finals, but I think there's that underlying
current as well that if they go head to head,
it's almost like, Okay, Anthony Edwards has talent just you know,
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flowing out of his pores. Not that SGA doesn't, but
it's the fact that SGA is getting the best of them.
Now that's you know, such a such a needle in
the side or a needle in the back. That's just
poking them and they can't get over it. Of course
it is, of course, but do you agree that Edwards
is a better overall player? But right now SGA is
getting the best of them, so it's sticking them off.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Man, Any buyers, you might be sparkling a Twitter question
right now, say because right now it's it's Shay has
the better team, They have more chemistry as an organization,
they've been tighter. I don't know if you could just
say Anthony Edwards is better. Shit, I don't man, that's
a Twitter question. You've been This is the MVP. You
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telling me Anthony Edwards is better than an MVP in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I think they. I think they believe that. Yes, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Danny Byers, I don't you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You played a lot more basketball than I did, and
mine was so distant any of the things. You need
a VCR to watch my games. So and I only
played in high school. I don't even know why we're
talking about my career except for the fact of I know.
I know when a player is better than another player,
and it is frustrating when the lesser player, no matter
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how great they are, is getting the best of the
better player. And that may be the fault of Minnesota.
I'm not saying that they may not be at fault
in all this, but I also think that that's a
bit of this underlying current is they feel SGA gets
away with a lot of stuff. They feel that he
manipulates stuff, and right now they're at home and getting
the calls, and maybe Minnesota is I don't know, still
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maybe a bit immature, even though it's their second Western
Conference finals. Maybe there's some of that, but for some
reason they're getting frustrated, and it may be the fact
that Jade McDaniels just wanted to foul Sga because you
wanted a real foul, because when he went out in
game four or game one with his fourth foul, Oklahoma
City ends up going on a run and then they're
late in this game, and okay, so he's kind of
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keeping them at arms length and you kind of just
want your piece of flesh if you will, or at
least make it count. And I think that I think
that's what's happening, and I think it was a sign
of frustration, like with Minnesota. No matter what Jade McDaniel says.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Afterwards, well, it's it's a Dani said, cheek movement when
someone's playing against you and you might let us lie
once or twice, but like a guy's already good and
he gets by you and he's really good. He's going
he's not like you saw j Brunson do this. And
there's a clip, Dan, I don't know if you saw it,
(17:08):
but he gets by nim Hard and he grabs nim
Hard's arm. He searches for nim Har, he grabs it,
and he throws nim Hard's arm into his face and
then he throws his head back and it's like, yo, bro,
really and if you're nim hard, you're frustrated. Now Shaye
gets by you, and if he feels your arm, he's
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hooking that arm into his arm and he's going he's fouling.
He's grabbing me, and you're you're mad because you're like, bro,
it's not even basketball at this point, Like, go make
a move. You're good. Now if you cross me, you
get by me, boom, hit me, step back, all right, congratulations,
God blessed. But when you do those moves, you feel
like it's not basketball. And that's when we talk about
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the foul baiting. That's the frustration. So those are the
moves that make you irate as a player.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer. He is the real player.
I am not get him at e Ryan Hollins. You
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Byer on Fox. It is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Doug
Gottlieb's gonna join us next and jump into this conversation
(18:18):
as Oklahoma City is up two to oh on the
Minnesota Timberwolves plus tonight, can the Knicks even the score?
Will the Pacers do it again? That's next here on
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Gottlieb joins Ryan Hollins and myself to talk hoops. Doug,
Happy Friday. How are you?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I'm great, guys.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
We are?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
We kind of continue the discussion that you and I
had on your show earlier this week and one that
you talked about with with Ryan. But where are we at?
With SGA V Anthony Edwards last night because once again
SGA and the Thunder get a win. SGA gets the
thirty eight points, gets the MVP trophy and then also
gets shoved to the ground by Jaden McDaniels under their skin.
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How do you think it? How do you think things
have played out so far?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
I think if you just take the Jade McDaniels play
at face value, right, because what was that it was?
He's trying to pressure him the back court and he
actually Sga locks in Jaden daniels arm with his left hand.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Why dribble his right hand?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Jamie Danils, you know, pulls it off, and then when
he bumps him, he gets called for foul and then
he just like two hands shoves him. And after the
game he said, you know, I wanted to actually really
bowel him.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
I got a like look.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I love the Thunder, I know people, the organization, I
love the way it's built. I hate the way he plays.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I just I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And again we teach our guys constantly, okay, to go
in there, playoff two feet, use your pivots, draw fowls.
But the locking other guy's arms, the falling down and
throwing it up, I just I don't know how you go.
I've always thought, you know, an AU coach when that happens,
and now was a college coach when it happens, Like,
how am I supposed to guard that? If he just
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throws his body into you, falls down and you call foul? Like,
what am I supposed to do there? Let him shoot
the ball? So as good as he is, it's it's
a hard watch, and it's really one of those where
I feel for a minute, like, what are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Let him shoot, let him score. I'm gonna jump in
because I know you hoop heads are gonna go back
and forth. But the funny thing about this McDaniels play
was SGA technically beats him in the backcourt while trying
to grab his arm, and then SGA slows up to
almost like instead of just saying, okay, we've got five
on four, technically slows up to do it again. And
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that's where I think McDaniel's just had enough, Like Okay,
first of all, you grab me now you're ahead of me.
Instead of taking the advantage, you're slowing up so then
you can get another foul that would completely annoy me.
I just it was I think it encapsulated everything that
has gone on in the first two games of the series,
and maybe to your point, Doug even more with SGA,
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but I digress.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And deug I want to come to you on this
because you played not just at high levels as a hooper.
There's an American streetball code, whether you're at the park,
you're at the gym, ors or twenty four hour fitness
whatever it is. And there's baiting that goes on now
now McDaniel says, I just want to get a fall in, Doug.
(21:51):
There's mental games that get played in the playoffs, and
I've been there. What happens normally when a guy shoves
you to the floor like that? What do you normally
see at the playground, the park wherever.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Dude hops up, balls up his fists.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, what does it tell us that Shae's not doing that?
And is this like a Canadian thing, a shade thing,
a culture thing that he's kind of smiling like, oh
I got him? Or is this the way that is
this Minnesota saying well, well get me going. Mentally, you know,
let's fight here, let's fight here. They're like the mental
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behind the scenes. What are you seeing?
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think pretty obviously Minnesota's frustrating. I
think they're frustrated with that. I also think they're frustrated
with it's almost like a college type. I thought Anthony
Evers did a great job of describing it in Game one,
how it's like an AAU type of defense. It's actually
more kind of college defense where they will trap you
some but really they're just loading up and they're making
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you and you know it's and loading up for people
don't know, means like when you beat your guy, there's
a help guy right there and they're playing you know,
five against one defense. And what Minnesota is trying to
do I don't think is the way to beat that.
I think you have to you have to make skip
passes and then attack on the skips.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Or get it.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Get you know, get get two quick dribbles and then
a good pass to to the to the weak side
to get either open jump shot or get in the lane.
But I think there is frustrated because the defense, and honestly,
the other part of Oklahoma City is they're playing defense
a little bit like Rick Patino's teams play in that
the second you cross mid court, they're in you. They're physical,
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they're fouling you, but they do it so much that
you can't call every foul and they can't call them all,
and so it's it's frustrating Minnesota. So Minnesota is so
caught up in the in the the foul merchant tree
and the physicality defensively that they can't even figure out
what I'm supposed to do and just make shots and
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then get stops defensively.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Dog Doug Gotland joining us on his own show. Here
he's Ryan Hollandtop Dan Byer, go ahead, Ryan No.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Dan asked me this earlier. I want to get your
take on it. I don't know if you guys discussed
it during the week. I don't think it's fair to
say that Shae is better than Anthony Edwards because Oklahoma
City has a culture. They're much tighter as a team,
they have chemistry, and that's something that Oklahoma City has
(24:25):
built that Minnesota trying to build. They're trying to trade
and buy their way to that. Is Is it a fair?
Is it fair to really put those two against each other?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Yeah, only in that it's not Anthony Everwards first Rodeo.
They were in the Western Conference finals last year, and
you know, like whether or not Shay's better than he is.
He's playing better and they're playing against each other, and
you know, he's dealing with the pressure of the moment better. Yeah,
I understand what you're saying. And where Oklahoma City this is,
(25:03):
you know what four years in the making to get
to this point and last year's failure to get to
this point. But part of that is what the everything
they have done has been based upon building with culture. Right,
they have Kenrick che Williams who never plays. He started
for him last year, you know, he like never plays.
(25:23):
And what they've done is they've brought in better players
than than the ones that they kept, so that there
their floor is just higher.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
So oftentimes and we saw it with Denver. You go
to that bench and man, just the it just starts bleeding,
you know. Whereas they have they're so solid defensively and
their roles are so good. They're not great players, but
I and I also think that if there's one acquisition
that rises above everything other than Shay was Caruso.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Like what he's brought to this team is amazing.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
But they're they're fairly egoists. They're tougher than hell.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
They do play collectively, and you're right, it is a
longer build than what Minnesota's done. But it's been Anthony
Edwards team for the last two years. They've gotten this
place before. There's no reason they shouldn't be as cohesive
as the thunder.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Doug Gottlieb joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
I'm Dan Byer, He's Ryan Hollins. Do you think this
series is over? I do you do? I said the
old adage. You know, all Okase he has done is
defend their home court so far. But you think it's over.
Some of the people are saying that the finals is over,
that whoever Oklahoma City would face from the East, they're
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going to win that series.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That far.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
No, I think the Pacers are an interesting matchup because
the Pacers are so much about depth and they play
at such a pace. And then and then you also
have to take into account if they play New York
and yeah again New York said, I want to have
this conversation with Ryan with York, but they play with
New York like Brunson is much the same. And one
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of the big things about Foul Merchant Tree, which is
a little underrated, is it also gets guys into foul
trouble that are your starters, and it puts them in
a weird position defensively, and so you want to put
your best defender on that guy, but that guy's almost
always going to have extra fouls because of it. So
it's it's a really hard one. I don't think I
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think this series is over. I just I think it's
a bad matchup from Minnesota. But I don't think the
finals is over. I think either of those teams present
a pretty viable matchup.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
All right, let's talk Knicks Pacers. Then go at it?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Ryan, how do you come back from that? Because I'll
just I'll give you an example. We lost two games
like that this year, Youngstown State in Oakland. Like you
feel like you had the game, I mean had them
up fourteen and fifteen, the second half, had the game.
And you know, look, I understand the NBA. You just
bounce back. You're just used to it. But up nine
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with fifty one seconds to go at home and you lose.
I just how do the Knicks come back from that?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
The one thing that Tips is gonna do you really
value the first in the fourth quarter? And the reason
I say that is you gotta get your confidence going early.
You can't take that for granted. You can't take a
second to look back and question things. And second the
fourth quarter, so you gotta be tireder, Doug, you talked
about turnovers, you talked about free throws, and you gotta
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see tendencies and you gotta be able to adjust. So
you got to say, we have to put respect on
Nee Smith's name. And I don't think anybody Doug is
we previewed the game said Nie Smith is gonna get
red hot, run him off the line, red hot. New
York didn't adjust. Secondly, Haliburton, he's that good, and he
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beats you with the pass, he beats you with discipline.
You gotta get in a stance. You gotta be prepared.
And I don't believe, with all due respect, as much
film as they watch what they've seen, I don't believe
New York had the right level of respect for Haliburton
that they should have. You gotta have respect for him,
but more so from New York standpoint. They got to
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focus on them because they got enough. And Doug, you
know you going to games and you can say we
got enough to win this game. It's about us and
then sometimes you get we got to hit some threes.
We gotta be extra. This is about New York being
the best version of New York.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Yeah, I just again, like I you know that stuff
like that just shakes people. I thought Og was bad
at the end. You know, he he fumbled the ball,
he missed one or two free throws. He doesn't come
up and you know it should have been an easy
switch and a little top to top play.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
He's late getting there.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
He was laid on two of those nasmid threes and
gave up two again, like you see it on film
in front of your teammates, and it I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
It just.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
You know, part of me says, your message to your
team should be, hey, guys, we're up fourteen.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
We're better than this team. Now let's just close.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
But part of it has to also be like, yeah,
we're up fourteen, and it took them no time at
all to get into that lead. You know, we got
to step on them when they're down, and you know
they're shook confidence wise. I just I'm look, the reason
that you went and got all those Villanova guys was
their winners, and yet they didn't close that game, which
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is The craziest part about it is that no matter
how much they have a culture of winning and they've
carried it over to the Knicks, their inability to win
that game was just stunning.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
To me.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
That was one of the most fun watches even before
that I've had. That was a fun basketball game to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I also think that coming off of the Sorry to interrupt, brihme,
but coming off of the Celtics series, when you saw
their comebacks and you're like, oh, wow, these Knicks are
built different, and then you see them blow Boston under
the water in Game six, You're like, wow, these Knicks
are different. They had a lead in overtime in Game one,
they came out like they took the Halliburton punch and
came out and took a took an early lead in
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that overtime. But to see how discombobulated they were at
the end, that would what's really what really shook me.
The turnover on the Bruns in pass to the wing,
the shots that they put up when they needed to
tie it down three. If I'm a Knicks fan, that's
what concerns me. I understand the whole picture of blowing
Game one and what could happen, but man I felt
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that there was this a bit of invincibility to them,
and it felt like they handled the shot well, but
at the end of overtime they looked awful.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Hey, Doug, I want to show this to you. If
if I had the scout or you had the scout
for for the Pacers, right, would it be fair to
say win loser jaw. They run their stuff, they first
quarter four, they believe in the way they play. Okay
in New York glove what you just said, because they
play a lot of one on one. What do you
do against a team like that? Though? Because if people
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are figuring out who they overtime double, they run their stuff,
they know who their guy is. How do you, from
your opinion, play against that? And how do you prepare
your team? And like, is that underrate? Because what's if
we say, what's New York stuff?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Roll Cat Brunson and then Brunson's going one on one?
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
That got worn down?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah? No, they did. They got they got kind of
redundant and gotten the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
The most impressive part about the Pacers and these comebacks,
Ryan is they don't just come down in Jack threes
like they have a specific plan. Come down, run a set,
get a three, and they get and they get in
their press. So it's it's that it doesn't like you said,
they're gonna play how they play, no matter what, how
would I.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Play against them. I do think you gotta take advantage
of easy buckets. Score early, score late.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
You know, you gotta frustrate them and if they give
If they give you an easy one early in the
shot clock, go if not, grind it until five in
the shot clock and then take one late. I I
do think you gotta make them play defense because the
quicker you shoot, the more you play into their hands.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
All right, that's a rap for today, Doug. Start your weekend.
Enjoy it, Ryan and I will man the ship for
the rest of The Doug Gottlieb Show and we will
talk to you on the other side.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Appreciate it, all right, fellas, have it going you guys
doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Thanks Doug.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
He's Doug Gottlieb. Find him at Gottlieb Show. That's Ryan
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own show, The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Coming up next, who's going to win the NBA Finals
in twenty twenty six. We'll tell you next to here
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Speaker 1 (33:27):
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Speaker 2 (33:43):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's Ryan Hollins, the
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I'm Dan Byer. We are sitting in for Doug. If
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She's at the news desk and she's got a game
for us. Ryan.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
This is Game Time, gm H on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
All right, Manzy what do we got today?
Speaker 8 (34:22):
All right, well we are playing.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I got DIBs.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Ryan.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
In case you've never played this, you just can yell
out whatever you want. There's no order, there's no control here.
You just got a call DIBs on whatever answer you
want to give. So we're gonna start with NBA Finals winner.
But in twenty twenty six, y'all, anybody got DIBs first
on a team.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I got DIBs on the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
That's an easy one, all right, all right, I'm gonna
let my heart speak here.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I got dims on the Clippers, the Clippers.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
Yes, I think the Clippers are right there, especially with
how they played against Oklahoma's or against Denver, which we
saw how Denver played against Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So we can't be that far.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I was about to say Minnesota, but I moved off
from it.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
We can't be that far.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
I got.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
You know, if we're putting hearts on the table, then yeah, parts,
you know what, Yeah, I got dims on the Pistons.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
There you go. That's right, Kate. It's not bad. That's
not bad. You guys know what. I got the Houston Rockets. Man,
that's right to stand up Yep, you've got to.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
I got dims on the Lakers. They'll go all in
on Lebron's.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
They need you guys all pick your favorite teams. And
I'm like, oh, that was easy, you know, like mine
was just at least that was impartial on mine.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
No, Ryan's not taking this seriously by seeing the Lakers.
He's not taking this seriously. Ron Luca and Jannis title.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I really wanted to say the Spurs, to be honest
with you.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Yeah, that's a good one too.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
That is a good one. I don't know in the
I know Mitch Johnson has this year under his belt,
but still there's a lot that comes with it and
not having the playoff history. So we'll see. Anyway, moving
on quick, I'm.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Just surprised nobody said Celtics.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Okay, that's okay, all right, So the Indian that's just
on principle one of us wanted to dirty ourselves, that's true.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
The Boston all right, Well, the Indy five hundred is
this weekend, guys, So dibbs on the best races in sports,
and I'm gonna go first.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I'm gonna go with the Boston Marathon.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
You guys know, I like to run. So I'm gonna
take the Boston Marathons.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I'm gonna go with the exact opposite of Manzi's one
dash Olympics.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I'm gonna take DIBs on Monaco. I would love to
get out to Monaco for a Formula one race. That's
that bucketless stuff, all right.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I mean, how do you not go with the Olympics.
I mean, I guess Olympics four by four since I
have to be that's good. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
That's a good one.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
The one hundred relay in swimming, I will I will take.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The sausage.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
I mean nobody mentioned the Tour de France.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I also was thinking of.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
That one as well. That's a good one. All right,
let's go quick here, guys.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
Flag football participants for the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Who you got dims on?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
For the players?
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Patrick Yes, Patrick mahone.
Speaker 8 (37:25):
Patrick Mahomes is one, all right, dims on Tyree Hill.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
I'm gonna take Jayden Daniels. I think he's more supent
to flag football than than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Wow, Travis, that is.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
A good one. How did I think of that one?
Speaker 8 (37:39):
I was thinking speed, I was thinking speed, and that's
game time.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Game time. She's Mazi, that's Ryan Chris, Ryan Holland's top.
Dan Byer. Can the Pacers keep this up? We'll find
out tonight and we'll talk about it next on Fox
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well will the Garden provide us tonight? And are half
the NBA Finals already set? Just some of the things
we're talking about on a Friday, likely an extended weekend
for many. Welcome man, it is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
He's the NBA vet. Ryan Hollins, I'm Dan Byer sitting
in for Doug, but we're gonna hear Doug's thoughts on
last night's Game two win by the Thunder coming up
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in about twenty minutes or so, plus a look ahead
to tonight's matchup in New York City between the Pacers
and the next Happy Friday, Ryan Hollins, how are.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
You doing good? Brother? Appreciate it?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
This is this is a fun time. We are hitting
the stretch run of the NBA Playoffs leading up to
the NBA Finals, and now the Oklahoma City Thunder are
sitting there up to to oh on the Minnesota Timberwolves
after winning last night in Oklahoma City, I for one
thought the Timberwolves would have something to pay back from
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Game one, and it didn't happen last night. Ryan Hollins,
the Thunder again putting on a run separating themselves from Minnesota,
and now Oklahoma City is just two wins away from
advancing to an NBA Finals. How surprised are you that
the Thunder right now sits too oh up on Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Man, I'm not surprised at all. And the reason that
I'm not surprised it's a horrible matchup. Anthony Edwards is
not to the point in his career where he can
manipulate defenses. The way that Minnesota is set up is
they're more athletic. They're they're they're they're big and tall
and versatile across the board. And though wow, that's normally
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a recipe for success, you're not gonna out athletic Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City pressure the basketball better than anybody we see
in the NBA. And if there is a weakness, Dan
and Dan, you've heard me speak about this, the weakness
is attacking them inside. You can attack inside, you can
hit the boards, you can be physical with them, and
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if you don't have that, you're not going to be
able to beat this group off the bounce. And it's
really contrary to where the NBA is played. So that's
why Nikola Jokic, you know how to field to it.
That's why you can argue if Aaron Gordon does it
pull his hamstring, that you know that's Denver possibly advancing.
But this match up right here is horrible from Minnesota
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and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Why doesn't Minnesota at least try to do more. I
feel like when I'm watching them, at least go to
the basket, Ryan Hollins. Last night they are having success,
and it's a point after Game one, when Minnesota shot
fifty one threes heck on this show, Doug said, well,
Oklahoma City wasn't giving that, so the Timberwolves were taking
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what they were given. And I think that plays right
into Oklahoma City's hand. If you're shooting fifty one threes
like they did in Game one, not as many in
last night's loss. I felt that they were a bit
more aggressive. But is it just strictly personnel? Is it
Rudy Gobert's lack of an offensive game, why can't the
Timberwolves take advantage?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, yes, yes, and yes, And for one, let's dive
in if Rudy go Bear was more dominant, not just
against guys his size, when he's just sees a switch,
when he sees a guy that's smaller, and it doesn't
even have to be a post up. It could be
him rebounding him saying that, hey, you know what, maybe
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I'm not going to post up, but I'm going to
post up your guards. You're not going to switch right now,
there is no fear. And if chet Holmgren can guard
Rudy Gobert or you can't get physical with Chet Holmgren,
he's going to dominate. And that's why you see him
having so much more success because off ball, not on ball,
there's a different off ball. He's a spectacular shot blocker,
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and what that does is when you have him out
there blocking shots, hitting threes defensively, Okase really ramps it
up because they know when I pressure the basketball, if
I get beat, I got help behind me. Chet's athletic
enough to provide that help. But on ball, if you
attack his lack of strength, that's where he can struggle.
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And again That's why you really see him flourishing in
this series. Because of his game of athleticism. He can
cover ground, he can run with the best of them,
and that's why he's playing so much better right there.
And that's something that Minnesota doesn't have. Like you mentioned,
Minnesota's gonna beat you by the drive in Oklahoma, City's
incredibly smart. I'll give you this real quick, Dan, when
we had success against him and our guys beat him.
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The one thing they did, which is funny, and they
switch it different. They don't just have an on ball defense.
They have a team defense for everybody. Fred van Vliet.
Whenever Fred joked the basketball, all they did is fan
back out to the Houston Rockets. The reason they did
that is he said, we're gonna take the pass away
from Fred, make Fred be a score. We end up
beating them. I think Fred had you know, thirty five
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or thirty six points that game. And when Jalen Green drove,
you saw five and six guys in the paint. They're
so smart. They were playing playoff basketball in the regular
season and picked up where they left off. Remember with
Peyton Manning and the one knock on Peyton Manning. Everybody
would say that Peyton Manning was playing playoff football in
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the regular season, that's why he didn't have postseason success.
So you saw a little bit of that with Oklahoma City.
But nonetheless, man, they're an extremely intelligent defense.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Can you play playoff basketball? Because that was to be
the thing that I would say, like, you can't. You
can't do it until you're actually in that situation. And
I would actually argue, just for the old adage right now,
that the Thunder haven't done anything in this series for
the simple fact of you know what I'm about to say,
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the series doesn't start until the road team wins a
game in the series. Like that's the adage, right if
when somebody broke takes up the home court advantage or
the team with the advantage goes on the road wins
a game, that's when we know that the series could tilt.
But right now, Oklahoma City has done just what they've
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needed to do. I think we're gonna see a completely
different story, obviously a different atmosphere Saturday night in Minneapolis.
But I'm just wondering how much the Thunder have accomplished
and if you can really play that playoff basketball in
the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I don't feel good about it Dan, and this is why. Okay,
what do we know Anthony Edwards for Dan scoring, scoring,
and but what about his personality?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh yeah, jokester card, the joker. Yeah, free uh, I
don't know, free spirits maybe the right way to immature,
you know, maybe a little immature.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, but he brings the energy. There's something about him
being himself kind of the head nodding, the trash talk,
will see you back in minute. You don't see that.
You you don't see the trash talk, the head nod,
the you know, he's not giving you that. And that's
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why I don't feel happy if I'm Minnesota, because it
means going. Man, they figured something out, and they got
multiple guys. They can throw Jaylen Williams, they can throw
door All NBA First Team, you can switch in like
Aunt Carusoe on the basketball. They are dogs and they
got enough to guard him, And you could argue even
more so, this team was built to guard guys like
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Anthony Edwards. They're probably more equipped to guard to Anthony
Edwards than they would be if he was in his
prime and he's older. Lebron okay, even Luka Doncic. You
know when he's really rolling because they're all their guards
are his size, they're quick, they can pressure you, they help,
their their help. Dan hear me when I say their help.
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Defense is disciplined. So they're frustrating Anthony Edwards in ways
that no other team in the entire NBA can possibly
Boston Celtics can get out and guard Anthony Edwards like that.
But right there, those are the two teams that can
guard him, and he run into one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
This is Minnesota head coach Chris Finch talking about what
is ahead Saturday night in Game three.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Every minute in a series is a chance to find something,
you know. So, uh, we're gonna go back home. This
is a you know, a good team, good team at home.
So we're gonna go home and you know, fight for
game three. I mean, heads up and look at the
table and get ready for Game three.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, So a lot of coaches speak there nothing, nothing shocking,
and you're probably about to hear more of the same
because he's going to talk about SGA. But there's there's
another level to all of this that I think is brewing.
But here's Chris Finch on j Gil just Alexander Obviously.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
You know, Shay's a handful to contain. You know, he's
getting around us to you know, to when there's contact,
he's getting around us, and uh, you know, we gotta
do better job of square on him.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
So there's there's there's that version. And then we saw
Aiden McDaniels push Shake Gil Just Alexander in the second
half ends up getting a flagrant one. Uh. Here's a
bunch from Jade McDaniels on on the follow last night
with SGA. Just soak this in Hollins if you will.
Was they're just a little frustration boying over how what
what kind.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Of I just just wanted to found him for.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I wasn't even mad it just half thousand es. Okay,
So so do we have another from Jade McDaniels on
the Okay, all right, so here's here's the funny thing
about this is he's now under their skin, right, I
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mean you talk about Anthony Edwards and like how the
like we saw a clip of him kind of throwing
the ball at Shake Gil Just Alexander in game one.
And now it's the conversation of flopping and I and
I told you the last time we got together, a
couple of weeks ago, I'm like, Oklahoma City, they're gonna
be America's team because they're a team. They were the
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squad that had Kevin Durant leave them, and while Russell
Westbrook tried to stay around and make things work, it
didn't happen. So they both parted ways, going in different directions.
But here is the rebound. Here is the comeback story.
And I am now starting to wonder Ryan Hollins if
that comeback story is going to be either foiled by
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SGA's antics because it has now become mainstream, or if
it's going to be a John Stockton sort of thing.
Is it going to be a Boston Celtics, Danny Ainge,
Dennis Johnson backcourt. You're like, man, these guys just get
under my skin. I get a feeling that that is
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what's going to happen, or is starting to happen with SGA.
When I see the Minnesota Timberwolves react the way that
they do on the grand scheme of things, I think
SGA is now starting to have that reputation. It is
now a mainstream topic. But if you have that reputation
and you're getting Jayden McDaniels to do that to make
that play at that point and just say, well I
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had to follow. The give tells you that SGA is
getting under their skin and that is not a great
sign for Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Well what's getting more so under their skin is that
Anthony Edwards and McDaniels they're American born. There's a there's
a cultural thing here. They're all black guys. With all
due respect, I don't want to make it a color thing,
but like there's a way culturally. Okay, my Hooper's notice,
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Daniel Hooper will bring you into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
There's the way you play a long time ago, long
long time ago.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Danny Byers. There's a way that we play on the playground. Okay,
there's some trash talk, there's some head nod, and there's
some you know, I want to fight you, you want
to fight me? You hit me like that again one
more time. Like there's something that incites us American born
ball players that that that goes back to the streets. Okay,
that Anthony, that's why we get excited when we see
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man talk his trash right, and there's something about Lou
Dort and SG as Canadian ballers that it's like it's
and maybe it's just him. Maybe it's just SGA. Maybe
it's just the swag. It's the smooth tape where you
push in you do that. It's nothing McDaniels tried him.
Any other American player, for the most part, just normally
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is gonna do what Dan, you push me the way
that he pushed him. What's gonna happen down or somebody
jumping up? And then it's said, oh the man, Anthony
Edwards want that you throw the ball at me. I'm
throwing a ball at you. I gotta throw some trash.
Shane's just like, oh cool, cool, got him all right,
get buckets, swag out. I'm under the skill, keep playing basketball,
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all right. And that's what Dan, I'm telling you. It's
a guy who's been there before. That's frustrating. That's frustrating.
And and and we're playing two different styles of basketball.
Get to the foul line, wag out, play some defense,
you know, running a score up. And that's how ant
man gets going. We've seen it. They're not giving any
they're not feeding into it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's I think. I also think, and this is a
conversation we're gonna have. Doug Gottlieb, the host of this
show normally joined us in about ten minutes, and you
chopped it up with Doug earlier this week, Ryan, and
we'll do the same here coming up in a little bit.
But we were in agreement with Doug throughout the week.
And I don't know how you feel about it, but
that Anthony Edwards, I feel, is is it And I
(13:31):
think that fault while Shake Gildess Alexander has the MVP,
got the MVP. Last night we talked about face of
the League stuff, We talk about MVPs, we talk about
the next Lebron, the next Jordan, who is it going
to be? SGA is going to be a great player
in this league for a long long time. But to me,
he doesn't have it, and I feel that Anthony Edwards
has it to be that guy. And I think that's
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also what's getting under his skin is in the flopping
and some of the manipulation and the calls that they
get where you know when a guy is maybe not
as good as you, And I feel that that's how
Anthony Edwards like feels in this situation. And maybe the Turmberwolves,
in reference to their own Superstar field, the same way
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that maybe SGA isn't up to the talent level of
Anthony Edwards. But right now SGA is getting the best
of him, and I think that absolutely drives them bonkers.
And it's not only their series and it's a trip
to the NBA Finals, but I think there's that underlying
current as well that if they go head to head,
it's almost like, Okay, Anthony Edwards has talent just you know,
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flowing out of his pores. Not that SGA doesn't, but
it's the fact that SGA is getting the best of them.
Now that's you know, such a such a needle in
the side or a needle in the back. That's just
poking them and they can't get over it. Of course
it is, of course, but do you agree that Edwards
is a better overall player? But right now SGA is
getting the best of them, so it's sticking them off.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Man, Any buyers, you might be sparkling a Twitter question
right now, say because right now it's it's Shay has
the better team, They have more chemistry as an organization,
they've been tighter. I don't know if you could just
say Anthony Edwards is better. Shit, I don't man, that's
a Twitter question. You've been This is the MVP. You
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telling me Anthony Edwards is better than an MVP in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I think they. I think they believe that. Yes, yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Danny Byers, I don't you.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You played a lot more basketball than I did, and
mine was so distant any of the things. You need
a VCR to watch my games. So and I only
played in high school. I don't even know why we're
talking about my career except for the fact of I know.
I know when a player is better than another player,
and it is frustrating when the lesser player, no matter
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how great they are, is getting the best of the
better player. And that may be the fault of Minnesota.
I'm not saying that they may not be at fault
in all this, but I also think that that's a
bit of this underlying current is they feel SGA gets
away with a lot of stuff. They feel that he
manipulates stuff, and right now they're at home and getting
the calls, and maybe Minnesota is I don't know, still
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maybe a bit immature, even though it's their second Western
Conference finals. Maybe there's some of that, but for some
reason they're getting frustrated, and it may be the fact
that Jade McDaniels just wanted to foul Sga because you
wanted a real foul, because when he went out in
game four or game one with his fourth foul, Oklahoma
City ends up going on a run and then they're
late in this game, and okay, so he's kind of
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keeping them at arms length and you kind of just
want your piece of flesh if you will, or at
least make it count. And I think that I think
that's what's happening, and I think it was a sign
of frustration, like with Minnesota. No matter what Jade McDaniel says.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Afterwards, well, it's it's a Dani said, cheek movement when
someone's playing against you and you might let us lie
once or twice, but like a guy's already good and
he gets by you and he's really good. He's going
he's not like you saw j Brunson do this. And
there's a clip, Dan, I don't know if you saw it,
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but he gets by nim Hard and he grabs nim
Hard's arm. He searches for nim Har, he grabs it,
and he throws nim Hard's arm into his face and
then he throws his head back and it's like, yo, bro,
really and if you're nim hard, you're frustrated. Now Shaye
gets by you, and if he feels your arm, he's
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hooking that arm into his arm and he's going he's fouling.
He's grabbing me, and you're you're mad because you're like, bro,
it's not even basketball at this point, Like, go make
a move. You're good. Now if you cross me, you
get by me, boom, hit me, step back, all right, congratulations,
God blessed. But when you do those moves, you feel
like it's not basketball. And that's when we talk about
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the foul baiting. That's the frustration. So those are the
moves that make you irate as a player.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer. He is the real player.
I am not get him at e Ryan Hollins. You
can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Now in
his post NBA playing career, Ryan the television analyst for
the Houston Rockets on their TV broadcasts. You can find
him again at the Ryan Hollins find me at Dan
Byer on Fox. It is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Doug
Gottlieb's gonna join us next and jump into this conversation
(18:18):
as Oklahoma City is up two to oh on the
Minnesota Timberwolves plus tonight, can the Knicks even the score?
Will the Pacers do it again? That's next here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
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Speaker 2 (18:44):
You can find Doug Gottlieb at Gottlieb Show on x
and you can hear him here in his spot on
his show every day of the week, except today because
he was in for Colin Cowhert. On The Herd, Doug
Gottlieb joins Ryan Hollins and myself to talk hoops. Doug,
Happy Friday. How are you?
Speaker 5 (18:59):
I'm great, guys.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
How are you doing well?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
We are?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
We kind of continue the discussion that you and I
had on your show earlier this week and one that
you talked about with with Ryan. But where are we at?
With SGA V Anthony Edwards last night because once again
SGA and the Thunder get a win. SGA gets the
thirty eight points, gets the MVP trophy and then also
gets shoved to the ground by Jaden McDaniels under their skin.
(19:25):
How do you think it? How do you think things
have played out so far?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
I think if you just take the Jade McDaniels play
at face value, right, because what was that it was?
He's trying to pressure him the back court and he
actually Sga locks in Jaden daniels arm with his left hand.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Why dribble his right hand?
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Jamie Danils, you know, pulls it off, and then when
he bumps him, he gets called for foul and then
he just like two hands shoves him. And after the
game he said, you know, I wanted to actually really
bowel him.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
I got a like look.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
I love the Thunder, I know people, the organization, I
love the way it's built. I hate the way he plays.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I just I don't.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
And again we teach our guys constantly, okay, to go
in there, playoff two feet, use your pivots, draw fowls.
But the locking other guy's arms, the falling down and
throwing it up, I just I don't know how you go.
I've always thought, you know, an AU coach when that happens,
and now was a college coach when it happens, Like,
how am I supposed to guard that? If he just
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throws his body into you, falls down and you call foul? Like,
what am I supposed to do there? Let him shoot
the ball? So as good as he is, it's it's
a hard watch, and it's really one of those where
I feel for a minute, like, what are you supposed
to do?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Let him shoot, let him score. I'm gonna jump in
because I know you hoop heads are gonna go back
and forth. But the funny thing about this McDaniels play
was SGA technically beats him in the backcourt while trying
to grab his arm, and then SGA slows up to
almost like instead of just saying, okay, we've got five
on four, technically slows up to do it again. And
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that's where I think McDaniel's just had enough, Like Okay,
first of all, you grab me now you're ahead of me.
Instead of taking the advantage, you're slowing up so then
you can get another foul that would completely annoy me.
I just it was I think it encapsulated everything that
has gone on in the first two games of the series,
and maybe to your point, Doug even more with SGA,
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but I digress.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And deug I want to come to you on this
because you played not just at high levels as a hooper.
There's an American streetball code, whether you're at the park,
you're at the gym, ors or twenty four hour fitness
whatever it is. And there's baiting that goes on now
now McDaniel says, I just want to get a fall in, Doug.
(21:51):
There's mental games that get played in the playoffs, and
I've been there. What happens normally when a guy shoves
you to the floor like that? What do you normally
see at the playground, the park wherever.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Dude hops up, balls up his fists.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Yeah, what does it tell us that Shae's not doing that?
And is this like a Canadian thing, a shade thing,
a culture thing that he's kind of smiling like, oh
I got him? Or is this the way that is
this Minnesota saying well, well get me going. Mentally, you know,
let's fight here, let's fight here. They're like the mental
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behind the scenes. What are you seeing?
Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah, I mean, I think pretty obviously Minnesota's frustrating. I
think they're frustrated with that. I also think they're frustrated
with it's almost like a college type. I thought Anthony
Evers did a great job of describing it in Game one,
how it's like an AAU type of defense. It's actually
more kind of college defense where they will trap you
some but really they're just loading up and they're making
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you and you know it's and loading up for people
don't know, means like when you beat your guy, there's
a help guy right there and they're playing you know,
five against one defense. And what Minnesota is trying to
do I don't think is the way to beat that.
I think you have to you have to make skip
passes and then attack on the skips.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Or get it.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Get you know, get get two quick dribbles and then
a good pass to to the to the weak side
to get either open jump shot or get in the lane.
But I think there is frustrated because the defense, and honestly,
the other part of Oklahoma City is they're playing defense
a little bit like Rick Patino's teams play in that
the second you cross mid court, they're in you. They're physical,
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they're fouling you, but they do it so much that
you can't call every foul and they can't call them all,
and so it's it's frustrating Minnesota. So Minnesota is so
caught up in the in the the foul merchant tree
and the physicality defensively that they can't even figure out
what I'm supposed to do and just make shots and
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then get stops defensively.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Dog Doug Gotland joining us on his own show. Here
he's Ryan Hollandtop Dan Byer, go ahead, Ryan No.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Dan asked me this earlier. I want to get your
take on it. I don't know if you guys discussed
it during the week. I don't think it's fair to
say that Shae is better than Anthony Edwards because Oklahoma
City has a culture. They're much tighter as a team,
they have chemistry, and that's something that Oklahoma City has
(24:25):
built that Minnesota trying to build. They're trying to trade
and buy their way to that. Is Is it a fair?
Is it fair to really put those two against each other?
Speaker 6 (24:39):
Yeah, only in that it's not Anthony Everwards first Rodeo.
They were in the Western Conference finals last year, and
you know, like whether or not Shay's better than he is.
He's playing better and they're playing against each other, and
you know, he's dealing with the pressure of the moment better. Yeah,
I understand what you're saying. And where Oklahoma City this is,
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you know what four years in the making to get
to this point and last year's failure to get to
this point. But part of that is what the everything
they have done has been based upon building with culture. Right,
they have Kenrick che Williams who never plays. He started
for him last year, you know, he like never plays.
(25:23):
And what they've done is they've brought in better players
than than the ones that they kept, so that there
their floor is just higher.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
So oftentimes and we saw it with Denver. You go
to that bench and man, just the it just starts bleeding,
you know. Whereas they have they're so solid defensively and
their roles are so good. They're not great players, but
I and I also think that if there's one acquisition
that rises above everything other than Shay was Caruso.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Like what he's brought to this team is amazing.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
But they're they're fairly egoists. They're tougher than hell.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
They do play collectively, and you're right, it is a
longer build than what Minnesota's done. But it's been Anthony
Edwards team for the last two years. They've gotten this
place before. There's no reason they shouldn't be as cohesive
as the thunder.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Doug Gottlieb joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
I'm Dan Byer, He's Ryan Hollins. Do you think this
series is over? I do you do? I said the
old adage. You know, all Okase he has done is
defend their home court so far. But you think it's over.
Some of the people are saying that the finals is over,
that whoever Oklahoma City would face from the East, they're
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going to win that series.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
That far.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
No, I think the Pacers are an interesting matchup because
the Pacers are so much about depth and they play
at such a pace. And then and then you also
have to take into account if they play New York
and yeah again New York said, I want to have
this conversation with Ryan with York, but they play with
New York like Brunson is much the same. And one
(27:04):
of the big things about Foul Merchant Tree, which is
a little underrated, is it also gets guys into foul
trouble that are your starters, and it puts them in
a weird position defensively, and so you want to put
your best defender on that guy, but that guy's almost
always going to have extra fouls because of it. So
it's it's a really hard one. I don't think I
(27:24):
think this series is over. I just I think it's
a bad matchup from Minnesota. But I don't think the
finals is over. I think either of those teams present
a pretty viable matchup.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
All right, let's talk Knicks Pacers. Then go at it?
Speaker 6 (27:38):
Ryan, how do you come back from that? Because I'll
just I'll give you an example. We lost two games
like that this year, Youngstown State in Oakland. Like you
feel like you had the game, I mean had them
up fourteen and fifteen, the second half, had the game.
And you know, look, I understand the NBA. You just
bounce back. You're just used to it. But up nine
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with fifty one seconds to go at home and you lose.
I just how do the Knicks come back from that?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
The one thing that Tips is gonna do you really
value the first in the fourth quarter? And the reason
I say that is you gotta get your confidence going early.
You can't take that for granted. You can't take a
second to look back and question things. And second the
fourth quarter, so you gotta be tireder, Doug, you talked
about turnovers, you talked about free throws, and you gotta
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see tendencies and you gotta be able to adjust. So
you got to say, we have to put respect on
Nee Smith's name. And I don't think anybody Doug is
we previewed the game said Nie Smith is gonna get
red hot, run him off the line, red hot. New
York didn't adjust. Secondly, Haliburton, he's that good, and he
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beats you with the pass, he beats you with discipline.
You gotta get in a stance. You gotta be prepared.
And I don't believe, with all due respect, as much
film as they watch what they've seen, I don't believe
New York had the right level of respect for Haliburton
that they should have. You gotta have respect for him,
but more so from New York standpoint. They got to
(29:13):
focus on them because they got enough. And Doug, you
know you going to games and you can say we
got enough to win this game. It's about us and
then sometimes you get we got to hit some threes.
We gotta be extra. This is about New York being
the best version of New York.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Yeah, I just again, like I you know that stuff
like that just shakes people. I thought Og was bad
at the end. You know, he he fumbled the ball,
he missed one or two free throws. He doesn't come
up and you know it should have been an easy
switch and a little top to top play.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
He's late getting there.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
He was laid on two of those nasmid threes and
gave up two again, like you see it on film
in front of your teammates, and it I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
It just.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
You know, part of me says, your message to your
team should be, hey, guys, we're up fourteen.
Speaker 5 (30:00):
We're better than this team. Now let's just close.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
But part of it has to also be like, yeah,
we're up fourteen, and it took them no time at
all to get into that lead. You know, we got
to step on them when they're down, and you know
they're shook confidence wise. I just I'm look, the reason
that you went and got all those Villanova guys was
their winners, and yet they didn't close that game, which
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is The craziest part about it is that no matter
how much they have a culture of winning and they've
carried it over to the Knicks, their inability to win
that game was just stunning.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
To me.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
That was one of the most fun watches even before
that I've had. That was a fun basketball game to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I also think that coming off of the Sorry to interrupt, brihme,
but coming off of the Celtics series, when you saw
their comebacks and you're like, oh, wow, these Knicks are
built different, and then you see them blow Boston under
the water in Game six, You're like, wow, these Knicks
are different. They had a lead in overtime in Game one,
they came out like they took the Halliburton punch and
came out and took a took an early lead in
(31:02):
that overtime. But to see how discombobulated they were at
the end, that would what's really what really shook me.
The turnover on the Bruns in pass to the wing,
the shots that they put up when they needed to
tie it down three. If I'm a Knicks fan, that's
what concerns me. I understand the whole picture of blowing
Game one and what could happen, but man I felt
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that there was this a bit of invincibility to them,
and it felt like they handled the shot well, but
at the end of overtime they looked awful.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Hey, Doug, I want to show this to you. If
if I had the scout or you had the scout
for for the Pacers, right, would it be fair to
say win loser jaw. They run their stuff, they first
quarter four, they believe in the way they play. Okay
in New York glove what you just said, because they
play a lot of one on one. What do you
do against a team like that? Though? Because if people
(31:55):
are figuring out who they overtime double, they run their stuff,
they know who their guy is. How do you, from
your opinion, play against that? And how do you prepare
your team? And like, is that underrate? Because what's if
we say, what's New York stuff?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Roll Cat Brunson and then Brunson's going one on one?
Speaker 7 (32:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
That got worn down?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah? No, they did. They got they got kind of
redundant and gotten the same stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
The most impressive part about the Pacers and these comebacks,
Ryan is they don't just come down in Jack threes
like they have a specific plan. Come down, run a set,
get a three, and they get and they get in
their press. So it's it's that it doesn't like you said,
they're gonna play how they play, no matter what, how
would I.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Play against them. I do think you gotta take advantage
of easy buckets. Score early, score late.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
You know, you gotta frustrate them and if they give
If they give you an easy one early in the
shot clock, go if not, grind it until five in
the shot clock and then take one late. I I
do think you gotta make them play defense because the
quicker you shoot, the more you play into their hands.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
All right, that's a rap for today, Doug. Start your weekend.
Enjoy it, Ryan and I will man the ship for
the rest of The Doug Gottlieb Show and we will
talk to you on the other side.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
Appreciate it, all right, fellas, have it going you guys
doing a great job.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Thanks Doug.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
He's Doug Gottlieb. Find him at Gottlieb Show. That's Ryan
Hollins on Dan Byer in for Doug gottlie about his
own show, The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Coming up next, who's going to win the NBA Finals
in twenty twenty six. We'll tell you next to here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
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Speaker 2 (33:43):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's Ryan Hollins, the
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I'm Dan Byer. We are sitting in for Doug. If
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executive producer, Chris Purfets our technical producer, and Monty Belagyo.
She's at the news desk and she's got a game
for us. Ryan.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
This is Game Time, gm H on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
All right, Manzy what do we got today?
Speaker 8 (34:22):
All right, well we are playing.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I got DIBs.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Ryan.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
In case you've never played this, you just can yell
out whatever you want. There's no order, there's no control here.
You just got a call DIBs on whatever answer you
want to give. So we're gonna start with NBA Finals winner.
But in twenty twenty six, y'all, anybody got DIBs first
on a team.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
I got DIBs on the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Speaker 9 (34:56):
That's an easy one, all right, all right, I'm gonna
let my heart speak here.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I got dims on the Clippers, the Clippers.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
Yes, I think the Clippers are right there, especially with
how they played against Oklahoma's or against Denver, which we
saw how Denver played against Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So we can't be that far.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I was about to say Minnesota, but I moved off
from it.
Speaker 9 (35:16):
We can't be that far.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
I got.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
You know, if we're putting hearts on the table, then yeah, parts,
you know what, Yeah, I got dims on the Pistons.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
There you go. That's right, Kate. It's not bad. That's
not bad. You guys know what. I got the Houston Rockets. Man,
that's right to stand up Yep, you've got to.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
I got dims on the Lakers. They'll go all in
on Lebron's.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
They need you guys all pick your favorite teams. And
I'm like, oh, that was easy, you know, like mine
was just at least that was impartial on mine.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
No, Ryan's not taking this seriously by seeing the Lakers.
He's not taking this seriously. Ron Luca and Jannis title.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Stop.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I really wanted to say the Spurs, to be honest
with you.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Yeah, that's a good one too.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
That is a good one. I don't know in the
I know Mitch Johnson has this year under his belt,
but still there's a lot that comes with it and
not having the playoff history. So we'll see. Anyway, moving
on quick, I'm.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
Just surprised nobody said Celtics.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Okay, that's okay, all right, So the Indian that's just
on principle one of us wanted to dirty ourselves, that's true.
Speaker 9 (36:18):
The Boston all right, Well, the Indy five hundred is
this weekend, guys, So dibbs on the best races in sports,
and I'm gonna go first.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I'm gonna go with the Boston Marathon.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
You guys know, I like to run. So I'm gonna
take the Boston Marathons.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I'm gonna go with the exact opposite of Manzi's one
dash Olympics.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I'm gonna take DIBs on Monaco. I would love to
get out to Monaco for a Formula one race. That's
that bucketless stuff, all right.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I mean, how do you not go with the Olympics.
I mean, I guess Olympics four by four since I
have to be that's good. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
That's a good one.
Speaker 8 (36:57):
The one hundred relay in swimming, I will I will take.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
The sausage.
Speaker 8 (37:09):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
I mean nobody mentioned the Tour de France.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
I also was thinking of.
Speaker 8 (37:12):
That one as well. That's a good one. All right,
let's go quick here, guys.
Speaker 9 (37:15):
Flag football participants for the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Who you got dims on?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
For the players?
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Patrick Yes, Patrick mahone.
Speaker 8 (37:25):
Patrick Mahomes is one, all right, dims on Tyree Hill.
Speaker 7 (37:27):
I'm gonna take Jayden Daniels. I think he's more supent
to flag football than than Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
Wow, Travis, that is.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
A good one. How did I think of that one?
Speaker 8 (37:39):
I was thinking speed, I was thinking speed, and that's
game time.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Game time. She's Mazi, that's Ryan Chris, Ryan Holland's top.
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