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July 18, 2025 • 37 mins

Dan Beyer and Kerry Rhodes, in for Doug Gottlieb, react to Damian Lillard returning to Portland, and Dan believes this leaves LeBron with no choice but to return to Cleveland when he hits free agency next season. Former NFL GM Mark Dominik drops by to give his thoughts on the Steelers paying TJ Watt top dollar again. Plus, who would you most like to see Nick Saban coach for?!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Car all right, I wanted to avoid tutsies or whatever
we're talking about here, but at some point we're gonna
have to get to the drama that is the NFL
Players Association former executive director now former executive director.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Uh huh, You've got that to look forward to, plus
so much more.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
As we are in for Doug Gottliet today, Carrie hanging out.
Isaac lohan Kron, who has the news, is at the
news desk. Ryan Berschinger is our executive producer, and Iowa
Sam is here as our technical producer. As we wrap
up the week, we'll get to all that drama golf
wrapping up in Scottie Shuffler doing Scottie Scheffler things. In
baseball second half, while it's not split evenly in halves,

(00:58):
the second half is underway. The Red Sox and Cubs
playing day baseball but everybody back in action tonight in
Major League Baseball. After the All Star break, we start
in the NBA. Yes, yes, your would you say? And
I I just am doing this because I know that
there's new listeners. Maybe they don't hear you and I
on Sundays during football season or you and Monty and

(01:21):
Sunday afternoons here on Fox Sports Radio, so they may
not may not hear hear you. But is is your
passion NBA even though you were a former NFL player?

Speaker 4 (01:33):
Is that is that fair to say? Very accurate, Dan,
very accurate. I Yes, My real attention, my real love
adoration goals to the NBA, which is I know a
little bit suspect.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Did you wish you were an NBA player? Are you
glad that I still wish?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Now? You still? After oh p accolades? An eight year
career in the NFL. Do you know the story? I
think I told you the story.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
I'm not sure, but after my third year with the Jets,
I was seriously considering switching to basketball.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I did not you did not know that, So yes
I was.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
I was secretly working on some some some workouts and
doing that stuff. And my agent was like, Harry what
are you doing? Uh, that's trying to pay you. Are
you gonna are you gonna be that guy?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
I'm like, Okay, you're right, You're right, You're right Todd.
So yes, I think I chose correctly. Always trust Todd.
That is that is the moral of the story. But
you stop playing football and basketball is is your love.
And we start in the NBA because Damian Lillard loves Portland.
Damian Lillard is back in Portland as a Trailblazer, shigning

(02:41):
the three year deal. Even though he's gonna miss all
of next season, he's still getting paid by the Bucks
and now signs a three year deal with the Portland
Trail Blazers on on his latter part of his career,
safe to say, the final stretch. He goes back home
and can be with his kids. And that's a big,
big part of it. And yeah, yesterday the news broke

(03:02):
here on Fox Sports Radio in the afternoon that he
was going back and there really was. I didn't have
like a hot take. We always talk about a hot take.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Thought.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
My initial reaction was good for Dane, don't go and
chase a ring, don't go around the NBA and trying
to find where is the best fit. I think his
career is his career, and I think that there's something
with that and accepting that, and good on him. Good
on the Blazers who had played better basketball at the

(03:31):
end of last season. Good on them for welcoming him
back and realizing that maybe it wasn't the best move.
Maybe it was a better move for Portland at the time,
which is why I think that the split ended up happening.
But it just to me it was a feel good
move in the NBA when we have guys chasing rings,
guys chasing accolades, and Damian Lillard who's going to miss

(03:52):
all of next season, decides that being home is the
best fit for him.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
I mean, we've seen this so many times where guys
at the end of their careers or you know, the
tail end of their careers, they go to chase, chase
that ring and it just looks funky, right. We saw
Karl Malone play with the Lakers like that's that's crazy.
We've seen other guys. We've seen Charles Barkley obviously lee
Philly and go to Houston, go to Phoenix, Houston on
the tail end and.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Check and Chase, Phoenix was legit.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Phoenix was legit, but Houston on the tail Land, you know,
like it just doesn't look right. We never really associate
those guys to those teams anyway. And so, like you said,
a feel good story, Dame is Portland. I mean, we've
seen guys come through Portland, you know, Bill Walton obviously
back in that day, and we talk about that, but
in the present it's been all about Damian Lillard and
so to see him go back there and you know

(04:38):
he's not gonna win it there, but go there and
be able to have like a Swan song in the
place that he loves and they love him.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's beautiful. There's a different place that I want to
go with this, Yeah, I do. You want to say
the thing with Dame as well. You went back to
draft day when Dame was drafted out of Weaver State
and you said to him, and you said to any player, Carrie,
would you want an NBA championship or would you want

(05:03):
the city to be yours that you go to. Now
there's different levels. New York City is obviously different than Portland,
and La the same thing with maybe different than Charlotte. Right,
But if you were to tell a player that you
had a career in the NBA that allowed you to
be really the face of that franchise and have it

(05:25):
be your city because of how much they loved you.
And it's not to disrespect any of the former Trailblazers
because they're still a part of that. Yeah, but it's
Dames City and his relationship with that city has been
documented through and through. I think you take the city
portion of it. I think it's easy to say, yeah,
I want to be an NBA champion when you look

(05:46):
back at Dame's legacy of him being the star in Portland,
it's probably going to carry more weight and be way
more important than it would to ever win an NBA championship.
Say elsewhere, gotcha?

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Yeah? I was about to say that that part they elsewhere? Right?

Speaker 4 (06:00):
If he wins it there, it doesn't stop. It's really
it's really his town, right, It's endless. But I agree
with you. I mean, I think for him, a player
that didn't come into the league, we didn't have super
high expectation for Dame Lillard. I mean we knew he
could shoot the ball. I mean he was a short guard,
so that really doesn't work in the NBA too often.
So the fact that he's at the career that a

(06:20):
very notable career, I mean, top seventy five already has
that accolade, MVPs, big moments, big shots in Portland. I
mean we always can go back to that big shot
against OKC, against Russell Westbrook and waving them by by
Those moments were huge, right, I mean lasting from throughout
I mean throughout the NBA in general. So for him
to go back there and have that reunion, like I said,

(06:42):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, it'd be different if you went to you know,
if you went to the Heat or he went to Golden.
Now Golden said a little different because it was you
know where he's from. But if you just went to
another contender, you know, you go to Boston or something
like that and you win, it's yeah, it's neat, but
it's not like what it was. Obviously, if you would
have won a championship, Portland would have also owned the
city again. But still, for what he's done, it's pretty amazing.

(07:05):
This all leads to Lebron James. It does no carry.
I'm serious and I know. Please don't turn off the radio,
Please don't turn off the radio because I brought Lebron's
name up. I am telling you this, don't get out
of the app. Don't search all the other iHeart stations.
There's a reason I bring this up is because, as
I said, my initial reaction was good for Damon. I

(07:27):
haven't moved off at any of that in the last
twenty four hours. I feel that Lebron's only play now
is Cleveland. Yeah, like it is when we talk about
Lebron and free agency. We obviously knew that there were
only certain teams that he could go to. Mavericks. Your
Mavericks were one of those teams that were talked about.

(07:48):
The contacting, Yeah, the contacting of Rich Paul, which again
I said, is clear tampering in the NBA. You got
to talk to the teams. You don't talk to the
ancient and say we want to trade for your guy.
But the Mavericks were one of those teams. Doesn't doesn't
do anything for me if you were to play for
Crosstown Clippers, does nothing. To go back to Cleveland was

(08:13):
the story book story. But now Damian Lillard has beat
him to the punch. So now if Lebron goes anywhere else,
it adds more to the greed aspect of how Lebron
James is perceived. It wouldn't be a how does man?
How does Lebron do it in Dallas?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
How is this?

Speaker 2 (08:34):
How's this gonna work out? Even if you would go
back to the Heat, I think that there would be
a little bit of pushback, a little bit of weirdness.
I think Dame going back to Portland his force. Lebron,
if you want to have this storybook ending, if you
want to go to all these arenas and be honored
because your career is winding down, you can only do
it in a Cleveland Cavaliers uniform. And I've I felt

(08:57):
like it was the coolest option story wise. Now I
think it's the only option because of what Dame Lillard did.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
I agree. I mean that's my sentiment as well. I
thought with all the teams, you know, the four teams
that people talked about him being a viable option for
I mean, I thought Cleveland would be the storybook one
as well. I thought they were the one that for
me personally, I would be on board with that and
want to see what that looks like. I mean, obviously
if that was his last season as well, just the drama,

(09:25):
the storybook type of ending. It could be because Cleveland's
a good team, they could have made it out of
the East, right and so that would have been cool.
Lebron for me, just needs to stay in La play
it out. If that's not the option in Cleveland, stay
in LA, play it out, and just actually fight for
something once in his career, like not leave the situation

(09:47):
for green or pasture in his mind, Like just actually
stick it out and see what happens and see if
you can will your team to a win, which I
don't know if that's really happened in his career.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yet.

Speaker 5 (09:55):
You don't think going back to Cleveland was fighting through No,
you don't.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
No.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
The first one.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think that was something that he wanted to do
legacy wise, it's this legacy thing. I don't think it
was him going to say we're going to go fight
and make this happen. That team was really good. I
mean when he first got there, with Kyrie and all
the pieces they had, I mean they made another move,
but on top of that, they were a team that
you look at and be like, Okay, they won.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
They have won.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
Lebron away from being dominant in the East, and I
don't think that was him being really valiant or like
the way that it was portrayed. I thought it was
him being greedy and in Peenis ego.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I thought that he fought through in Cleveland the first
time through all the way up until twenty ten and
when they then he ends up leaving after that, Yeah,
and up until that point, I felt it was it
was a climb early. Then he get to the finals
in seven, but I feel like eight, nine and twenty
ten were seasons that you're trying to fight out and

(10:52):
sort out. I didn't agree with the Miami deal, but
I do think going back to Cleveland because it was
just Kyrie, they had struck out on the uh well,
they had the Kevin Love deal, was the Andrew Wiggins
steel but they were only about a thirty win team
at that point. But Lebron is peak Lebron basically at
the points he's going to turn anybody that he goes

(11:12):
into as a contender. And I like how he did
right his wrong. I guess maybe I don't know if
it's semantics or it's just a way of saying it,
Like I thought, like going back to Cleveland, no matter
where he was going to go. They were going to
be an NBA title contet request, so you may not
look at it as a fight. I look at it
as a fight, even though he was the best player
in the game at the time. Yeah, I just I
think that if you want to take the fight aspect,

(11:36):
which is why the Lakers are the team, the first
team that's ever told him no, you know like that,
and then so now there's a bit of friction there.
I think he stays with the Lakers this season. It's
I haven't waivered off of that. I've wondered because of
all of his little things that he has done. But
I think that next year is the opportunity. But when
we look at next year, just think about what free agency.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Will be like.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
And maybe we're past the Amian Lillard point at that time,
maybe we're not looking back at it. But man, it
was cool when Dave Dame went back to Portland yesterday,
and I think that Lebron, who hasn't been loved in
LA during his time with the Lakers, probably need some
of that. And the only place that happens is Cleveland.
Look at what Dame got. If Lebron does it, I

(12:20):
think the same happens with the cavaliers. That's why I
now think because the Dame, it's his only option.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I mean, I have nothing else to say on that,
but I really do agree that that's the best move.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
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(13:41):
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Speaker 1 (13:45):
Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb Show podcast. Be
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Speaker 2 (14:01):
R Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. He's carry Rhoades
the All Pro. I'm Dan Byer sitting in for Doug today.
Open Championship Brown number two wrapping up. Isaac will have
an update for us in just a second. We're still
obsessed with this cheating scandal from the Coldplay concert. So
many different so many different levels. Oh man, now we've

(14:24):
got Isaac. Is it Tutsi's cabaret that has now entered
not not with the cheating scam scandal, but separately with
the NFLPA.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Is it Tutsi's cabaret? Is that what we're talking about?

Speaker 6 (14:35):
That is the location and apparently the headline of the
many Google reviews I have perused very carefully. No, that's
the thing. Every everybody is talking about how great the food.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Is said very carefully.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
I mean apparently, like the steaks are incredible, But all
the reviews are about the food and nothing else, So
they must have real good food.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
This is it. This is very magic city.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
And I know that Rob Parker is the expert of that,
but it's the whole lou Williams Wings deal. Magic City
has also been brought into the Lloyd Howell drama.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
It Can the food really be that good? Or is
it distraction? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Like?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
What would your gut say?

Speaker 2 (15:21):
So? I I guess it could be good. I just
know that it's expensive. I can I can guess. I've
never been to Magic City. I've never been to Tutsi's cabaret.
I'm not saying that I've never been to one of
those establishments. I just haven't been to those two specifically
to dine and to eat the food. But I would

(15:43):
say whether it was good or bad. I would expect
the prices to be high because of the location of it.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
I think the whole experience could be expensive.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
My goodness, we're gonna talk with Mark Dominic NFLG and
well will not be asking him about Toutsi's cabaret. Trust me,
we are going to be asking him about TJ. Watt's
new deal with the Pittsburgh Steelers. No surprise, but he's
now the highest paid non quarterback in the National Football League.
You surprised by the amount of money that TJ. Watt

(16:14):
got from the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yes, a little bit, but obviously he's going to get
paid top dollar. He is one of the best at
his position and what he does. And then you know,
when you have the deals get done by Miles and
Micah Parsons and those guys right in front of him,
of course he's going to aim for a little bit more,
and he got it. I just didn't know if he
would get it. In Pittsburgh. But he did, and he's deservant.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
You know I'm talking about We were just talking about
Damian Lillard and him willing to go back home because
it's best for him. I don't want to get in
players pockets. Yeah, but I do feel that there is
this a union thing speaking in the union by the way,
where if TJ. Watt's going to get a new deal,
he's got a top Miles Garrett, because I would think, like,
if you're TJ.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Watt, you want to play in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
It seems like they're if they're not all in for
this season with Rogers as their quarterback, if it doesn't
work out, they're gonna bottom out. But I felt once
Rogers signed the TJ. Watt deal was actually done because
you're gonna need TJ. Watts, so you're gonna have to
pay him at some point.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
But if Watt took like thirty six million dollars as
a union, are you like, what are you doing man or?
Or Or is TJ. Watt greedy? Does he have an
ego because he wants to be the highest paid guy?
How do you look at this as a former player? Oh,
it's definitely ego. You want to be paid equally more
than your contemporaries at the position, and so it's part

(17:38):
of that. Obviously, the union, they're not gonna come in
and say anything to you directly about it, but I'm
sure they are happy about it as well.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Well. I just thought like, may you like, maybe TJ.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Watt's not gonna take one for the team, but maybe
I don't have to have top top dollar, you know,
to get the deal done because of what I am.
You know, what we've done in Pittsburgh and what he's
meant to the team, and maybe it would give them
some flexibility.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
But well, the flexibility comes Dan with how short the
deal is. Sure, so the money can be what it is, right,
but the guarantee part of it. Portion of it is
you know, they're not given out as much as you
think they would be. They have the money to give
them in that situation.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
He's carry roads the former All Pro I'm Dan Byer
in for Doug Gottlieb, joining us now former NFL GM
Mark Dominic, who joins us every week here on Fox
Sports Radio. Mark, Welcome in Happy Friday. As you heard
we were talking about TJ. Watts deal. Any surprise to
you that TJ. Watts now the highest paid non quarterback
in NFL history now for the second time in his career.

Speaker 7 (18:35):
Maybe a little. I mean again, I think you guys
made some good points. You know, Steelers usually are a
little bit harder to negotiate with, but TJ has done
everything right the whole way through. And it's really hard
spot for Omar Khan not to appreciate that and reward that,
and so I'm not fully surprised. You know, he's definitely deserving.
I never thought this would not get done. I never

(18:56):
thought they would trade TJ. Watt. I still think he's
absolutely got three years in him. You know. Good for players.
I mean, it's great to see the money continue to
flow out. And and you just said, Carrie, they can
afford it. I haven't been the ownered like that that's
gone broke, so you know, I know, players sometimes they
can lose some money and things like that. Owners don't
go broke, and so the.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Money's there, exactly, Mark, I was. I was mad at
my mom yesterday. I told her she had me a
little bit too early because at my time, at my time,
I did have the highest paid guaranteed contract for safety
at that time, so I just only imagine what that
number would be now, So shame of my mom. But Mark,
I want to switch over to the next I have
a question about this top ten quarterback list going on

(19:34):
right now. I mean, obviously there's been a controversy, but
well not really controversy, but I guess barbershop talk about
who that top quarterback is right now? Are you still
safe to say it's Patrick and everybody else? Or is
that window a little bit tighter now?

Speaker 7 (19:49):
I think it's a little bit tighter. I mean I
think it's certainly Patrick, I have no doubt about that.
When you think about just what he's able to do
and everything he's done for a while, that makes a
ton of sense. But it is hard when you start
to look at what guys are doing. You know, obviously
it depends on where you're take and like Jalen Hurts
is playing top ten quarterback as a playoff quarterback, but
maybe not as a regular season quarterback. Certainly, it's easy

(20:10):
to put Joe Burrow right there, Lamar Jackson's right there,
Josh Allen. Those are the easy ones, I think when
you start to think about it, and I think the
one that I would say that it's very risky for
me to put it in there. That's the top ten
quarterback right now. Not risky, but just you know, speaks
volumes of what a rookie can do. Jayden Daniels look
like one and played like one, and he is one.
And that's an amazing, amazing accomplishment for a young man

(20:32):
in his one year in the National Football League.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Mark, I'm so glad you brought up Jayden Daniels. That's
my one as well. I mean, I know we're quick
now in this era to promote people as the best
at something or one of the best at something after
one year, because of the society we live in now,
But I think that five is a little premature. I
would have thought that c J. Stroule would still be
in that top ten somewhere, and he wasn't. I think

(20:54):
even before Jaydon Daniels right now, what do you think
about that?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Love?

Speaker 7 (21:01):
I mean, I've met him both. I love CJS Drave
the kid and what he stands for and where he
comes from, Jade, and I don't know quite as good
as I certainly know him. I would sit there and
say that, having had an opportunity to speak to people
within the Redskins, Redskins commander's organization.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
That happens.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
You know what he did from the minute he got
drafted all the way through the season, five o'clock, five
point thirty, show up, stays late. He just has grind.
And Jaden has done everything you're so you would ask
your quarterback to do and more and and and so
I just I've fallen in love with that mindset that
he has, that he just wants to be great. It's

(21:43):
the Kobe Bryant mentality, or it's the Michael Jordan tal
like I'm just gonna outwork you and no matter what,
I'm gonna be on the court and I'm just gonna work.
And that's what Jayden does. And so I put him
in front of CJ just because I actually think from
the athletic standpoint, he's even more talented.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
There.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
It goes back to Nick Saban, right, Yeah, when you
talk about him his last year at Alabama and he
talked about two guys, Brock Bauers and Jayde Daniels, He's
that I had no answer for either one of those players.
That is a crazy statement if you're Nick Stave and
thinking about all the players he's coached against where he
had no way to control those two guys and obviously
come in the league and dominate.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Mark Dominic joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Carrie Roads, the Allpro. I'm Dan Byer sitting in for Doug.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
One of the stories that we've got over the last
couple of days moving away from established players are rookies
and now guaranteed money going to fully guaranteed contracts going
to second round picks. Putting your old GM hat on again,
it was this just now, It's finally here. Was Are
you surprised that it has arrived? How do you look

(22:46):
at this and how does this make the job of
a GM easier or difficult now that we're guaranteeing, fully
guaranteeing these second round deals.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
Well, if you notice, as it's going right, we're starting
to see more and more guys obviously get their deals in.
You know, we're right at the verge of everybody showing up.
So the agents are like, I've tried to hold out
as long as I can, and you know, we're seeing
just a few of the first guys in the second
round are getting fully guaranteed. As you're getting deeper in
the second round. You're seeing, you know, somewhere between ninety
five ninety one eighty five percent fully guaranteed. That's great,

(23:18):
And you know, part of me is like second rounders,
for the most part, usually get four years to take
a shot, like if they're not good enough, but they're
going to get that four years. It's those fourth rounders
carry roads that never get guaranteed, you know. But you know,
it's something that you've seen, and I think it's something
you're going to continue to see as we move forward.
Maybe in the new CBA will try to set some
type of boundary with it. I don't think it'll work.

(23:40):
You know, it's only a matter of you know, five
or ten years from now, all second rounders be fully guaranteed,
and they'll be working on trying to get some too,
the third rounders to get more guaranteed money. It's what
agents need to do or try to do, because that's
really the only thing you can really fight for in
negotiations is how much money can you get guaranteed? So
not a big deal. I wouldn't lose a lot of
sleepover it. It's just, you know, you don't want to
be the team that sets the president of the Cleveland Browns did,

(24:01):
but they probably won't with their next second round pick.
Who's you know, obviously deal with a lot of other stuff,
you know, So.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
It was was it the Texans with the Higgins signing?
Was he the first to give you?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
So?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So like, is there because now we're talking about collusion,
We're talking about all this other stuff with Deshaun Watson.
But I would think everybody was mad. Everybody was mad
at Jimmy Haslum for giving Deshaun Watson that fully guaranteed
deal so much so that this collusion thing apparently did happen.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Is is something like this.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Just minor mark that like you wouldn't like owners wouldn't
get together, but be like we're no longer giving second
round picks or is it you know, horses out of
the bar and you can't do anything about it? Like
is there any comparison to what the Browns did with
Deshaun Watson to maybe what the Texans did the Higgins
to set this precedent?

Speaker 7 (24:46):
Yeah, I think Dan, I think at the horse out
of the barn, and I think that all you can
do is the club is try to read the horse
back in a little bit, and that's what every club's
tried to do, and everybody's tried to toe the line.
But you know, now is the time where the rubber
meets the road, and these second rounders want to go
play and they got to start the clock and so
the their leverage runs out and clubs know that they
know that in the end the player is going to
come in. You're not trying to create animosity, You're trying

(25:09):
to be right by the player. Uh you know. I
think in the end, that's why you're seeing all these
second rounders come together and sign and they're not getting
the fully guaranteed money, but they have started to dig
in there. And again it's it's not to be unexpected.
These are good numbers, these are good contracts, but uh,
it's just you don't want to be the team that
sets the precedent. But you're not if you have to

(25:29):
start the follow foot as we see a couple others do. Uh,
you survive and just keep moving forward.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Mark, I got one more for you. I know that
you you know, you have your your foot in most
doors and most rooms, and you have their little inside
infle I want to know if you have anything on
so ToJ Watt just got paid. Parsons just got paid. Garrett,
he hasn't he's about so Yeah, Trey Hendrickson, what's going

(25:55):
on with that deal in Cincinnati? I mean they cannot
afford to let him.

Speaker 7 (25:58):
Go, right, I mean the problem to your point, I mean,
it's it's a shame. You know, the Bengals have certainly,
you know, dropped half a billion dollars on Burrow and
the receivers, which is great, but they left you know,
the man that's really kind of run that whole defense behind.
And and the number for the problem for the Bengals,

(26:19):
this all went back all the way prior to the combine,
is that the Bengals are throwing around bad numbers in
terms of where the offer should be versus what the
market was, and what is the market done. It's only
gone up, so it's made it even harder. So every
time it's kind of reminds me of the Kirk Cousins,
Like every time the teams kind of comes around and goes, okay,
we'll give it to you, he's like, well, the market
just went up two more million dollars a year, so
that's not the market anymore. Like that's your fault for

(26:41):
waiting and so that's what keeps happening here. I think
for Trey Henderson and his agent, they're like, look what
WA just got? Like, you guys are sitting around in
the twenties or whatever it's going to be, you know,
and it's nowhere near what the numbers should be. So
I think it gets done. I think it's it's too
important for the Bengals. I think they have too much
right in on the season. They realize that they have

(27:01):
a clock that is ticking. They have a team that's
good enough to I think, compete for the AFC and
to compete for Super Bowl. I can't imagine letting not
only Trey Hendrickson not get in there, but letting their
first round pick also not be on the board. So
I think the Bengals have a lot to do, but
you've got to get it done with Trey Hendrickson. And
I think the TJ. Watt If I'm the agent for Trey,
I'm pointed to that all day. Look, look, they can

(27:23):
get it worked out. Why can't we get it worked out.
Let's go, let's get this done. And I think the
Bengals will do that. But the Bengals are notorious. Is
one of the hardest clubs to negotiate with the National
Football League.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Well, Stewart's the only first round pick still on the side.
How does that settle out?

Speaker 7 (27:38):
I mean yeah, I mean again, the Bengals can play
hardball here and you sit there and say, hey, look,
if you do something really bad, we have a right
to you know, you know, you know, remove your future
guaranteed money. So even though it's a four year, fully
guarded contract with a fifth year option, if something happened
and they're like, look, you know you've gotten an accident,
whatever happened off the field, and they're like, we're going

(27:59):
to take away you're guarante were going to cut you.
That's what they're trying to do at Bengal Land. If
you're going to do that for the first time ever,
you should have told the player on the clock or
when the agent was calling and saying, hey, look, we're
going to be willing to draft you here, but we're
going to ask for this kind of language. If you
don't want that kind of language, tell us not to
draft you. That's the only way you can really do that.
Because I think the Bengals are really coming in a
bad faith actors here. So I think the Bengals will cave,

(28:22):
but you're going to try to set their press in
for next year.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
All right, we're gonna let you go out. But I
have one last question. When does a GM take vacation?
Like it's got to be like somewhere on the calendar,
Like you got to be like, all right, I'm out
of the office for a week.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
When does that happen?

Speaker 7 (28:35):
In the NFL, it's usually right right before July fourth
or the week after July fourth. It's like a one
to two week windows that that's what you got, and
and and sadly it's a tough time. But yeah, it's hard.
It's hard. You know, there is no vacation because there's
you guys have seen there's so much stuff going on
before we can get the camps, so many moving parts
and things you're worried about off the field that we've

(28:55):
had to see what the Cleveland Browns are dealing with.
So you're even on vacation of that phone never's office.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I understand that, Mark, We appreciate it. Tomorrow all seasons here.
We'll talk to you soon. Thanks again.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Sounds great, guys.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
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on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
go over to Isaac Low and Cron at the news desk.
He's carry roads. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug today.

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Speaker 2 (29:33):
He's carry Roads. I'm Dan Byer and for Doug Gottlieb
here on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks to Mark Dominic for
joining us giving us the ins and outs of what's
happening in the NFL from a front office perspective.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
The Cats, as.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Kramer would say, is out of the bag when it
comes to second round picks and they're guaranteed money. Thought
it was interesting that he says now it's just a
matter of time until third round picks get fully guaranteed contract.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I'm oh man, get to the fourth, get to the fourth.
He'p going and going and going.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'll also add this in the point that I brought
up about the Jimmy Haslm in the Browns giving Deshaun
Watson the fully guaranteed contract and the collusion report. I
think the timing of that is very interesting that now
is the time and like the same week or two
that this is kind of all revealed. Now second round
picks are starting to get fully guaranteed contracts, because if

(30:22):
there was any pushback from it, I don't think that
story does any favors for NFL owners right now. It's
not every second round pick at this point is some
are getting about ninety percent, but as next year, there's
going to be a few more that get it and
a few more after that. But I don't think that
NFL owners have any leg to stand on considering the
reports that we now heard were public.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Yeah, they never.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Really do, but the fact that they're able to work
in unison, we won't say collusion work in unison. On
most of these things. They do talk, right, I mean,
the clubs exist for a reason and they talk about things.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
But talking about the strip clubs, are you talking about
the ownership club?

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Talking about the ownership not at the the ownership club.
So they do talk, and you know, these things are
have been going on forever. But now, like you said,
the cats out the bag and player empowerment is a
real thing. So it's it's here. I think I know
the answer to this. But who's had a worst week?
Lloyd Howell or cheating guy at Coldplay concert? Like like

(31:22):
this is like this has been like because cheating guy
it like boom, there it is, but Lloyd holl it
just keeps on getting worse and worse and worse.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I don't know. It's it's cheating guy would win by
a lance. Oh of course, it's more. It's more mainstream.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
It's mainstream, and it and the memes don't stop like
it's been continuous.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Yes, on and on and on. Let's play a game
with Isaac long Cron.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Hello Isaac, Hello.

Speaker 6 (31:53):
My favorite meme was Eric Methene's post Coldplay hasn't made
a sin in years? Last night they made two. Eric
clever With that in mind, onto the business that today's
game is, I got DIBs. All right, We'll start with
this top NFL Players Association hangouts. Now I'm just kidding
about that one. All right, Let's move on to more

(32:17):
PG rated material Best Pro Sports All Star Games? What
do you guys got DIBs on best Pro Sports All
Star Games?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Who's first? I go for that?

Speaker 6 (32:29):
You just jump in?

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, jump in? Yes, definitely, Definitely. The MLB All Star
Game is I think my favorite. I'll go Gosh, I can't.

Speaker 6 (32:38):
Even shocked that he didn't say the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
I'll just take the NBA. I'll go hockey. I'm taking hockey.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
Yeah, I'm surprised that hockey wasn't higher on the list.
With the four nations.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Faces, I'm gonna abstain from this. Actually I have no selection.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
No votes, no votes. Well, then you can't complain, all right.

Speaker 6 (33:00):
That's true, and complaining. Complaining is what we all do.

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Have I've been complaining about All Star Games.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
No, that's the thing, like if you if you don't vote.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Right, Yes, that's right, all right, next topic.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
That's the only reason I vote. No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
World Series contenders. Who you guys got DIBs on?

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Listen, I've left the door open for Burst twice because
of Baseball. Like I thought, Baseball maybe doesn't believe in
the Dodgers at this point.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I got the Brewers. How about that? The trade deadline. Okay, fine,
I will take.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
The Dodger, alright, twist your arm on that one.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
I got DIBs on the Phillies, Sam.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
Well, there's no surprise here. I got dipped on the Yankees.
They're hot right now, They're there.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
All right, Isaac, you can also take DIBs on stuff too.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
I was actually, believe it or not, since the Dodger
for a second, I'm gonna go with the Toronto Blue
Jays riding under the raid art despite being in first place.
All right, So we'll turn a topical news as maybe
a high brow as we can in light of this
Lloyd hol Junior story allegedly.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
What is Lloyd thing?

Speaker 6 (34:19):
I was just thinking about that. You know, he might
want to just just just call him Lloyd hal for
today anyway. Uh. Top things to spend excessive amounts of
money on? What do you got DIBs on? Feel free
to take this in addy direction you all want.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
I got DIBs on pre made sandwiches. Go to Ralphs
Pavilions and it's always my go to my cook I'm
a pre made sandwich and I'll pay nine to ninety nine.

Speaker 6 (34:48):
That's fair enough. So it's not like you mean pre
made sandwiches from the airport, is what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
Oh no, like the ones that are in the little cooler.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Difference in the supermarket and the air.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
Those are like eighteen dollars. Now, I gotta go to
Rob Parker and just.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Make my I am like this close to buying a
new set of golf clubs, and and there is there's
something new about like getting a new set. Being excited.
You basically play the same as you did previously. Usually
doesn't matter, but I'm just going to go on this
level golf clubs.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Well for me, My my guilty my third home in Italy. No, no, no,
My guilty obsession with an excessive amount of spending is Legos.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
I'm a Lego guy.

Speaker 6 (35:31):
Wow, I wouldn't have guessed.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Way.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
So I take you've been to Lego Land and cals Back.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
I have Wow.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
Fair play to you.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
You learned something new every day.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Something I told my Carmen the other day that I
was blown away. I thought it was a really cool idea,
the Lego flowers. But they're pretty more common than I
than I thought. Like it was really new to me.
I'm just like, oh, that's unique. I may want to
try to get it to some one and they didn't
like it though, so I don't.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
I don't. I wouldn't suggest it to you. But I
kept it in my face, So it's good. Was it
used as a peace offering?

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Get it? Sorry?

Speaker 6 (36:12):
My reaction was on a seven second delay?

Speaker 7 (36:14):
There?

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Very good?

Speaker 3 (36:15):
All right?

Speaker 6 (36:15):
Final item on this very uh entertaining and eclectic edition
of I got DIBs with Lee Corso's retirement this year
all time college football broadcasters. Who you got DIBs on?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Oh? All time college broadcaster? Oh?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Hey, I was gonna say I thought I'd teached Saban
of but I told Isaac, I want the Saban question. Yes,
can we get the same question?

Speaker 3 (36:46):
We have time to.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Do over Okay.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
Places we would want to see Nick Saban coach.

Speaker 5 (36:51):
I got DIBs on USC bring that discipline to the
West Coast, make us see great again. Sorry, Lincoln Riley,
it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
I got DIBs on the Dolphins because I don't think
you did the Dolphins wrong. I think everybody who was
mad at him for lying saying that he's not going
to Alabama just doesn't understand how the game is played.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Yeah, he's been unfairly treated because of that.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I played against the old Dolphins. They were bad.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
I would say, I would say, Nebraska go to the
the Cornhuskers a cool team.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
You're already out on that rule hunh yeah, oh jeez,
Cowboys give us a circus wow, and I would.

Speaker 6 (37:21):
Say you're all wrong. Pop Warner Football to see how
we would coach a bunch of seven and eight year
olds and also deal with their parents. And that can
close this edition of I Got DIBs Game.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
I'm happy as hell.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
He's Isaac Lower and Crowd, Ryan Berschinger and Iowa Sam
hanging out with Carrie Rhodes and myself here on Fox
Sports Radio in for Doug Gottlieb.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Coming up next, Bad Times in Philly
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