December 23, 2025 • 35 mins
Dan and Kerry discuss Philip Rivers and how the state of the NFL and the number of tanking teams in league will likely mean we won't see Rivers again this season. Dan and Kerry discuss the latest Draymond Green incident, this time with his head coach Steve Kerr. Plus, Dan and Kerry disagree on whether or not John Harbaugh is on the hot seat.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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last night.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
H M.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Brock Purty magnificent performance. Offensively, the Niners were a juggernaut
and guess what, Philip Rivers of the Colts held their own.
Please don't go, Philip Rivers, Please don't go anywhere. But
the Niners get the last laugh. Colts eliminated from the postseason. Yeah,
everything you just said absolutely true. But with Philip Rivers,
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you know what, man, I.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Am really, really, really amazed and actually humbled to see
what this man has done in two weeks with the Colts.
And obviously physically he is not Philip Rivers. And physically
he's not you know, he's not bending any rules as
far as how he's playing. But I think what it
says for Philip and any man woman that's walking this
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planet if you can still use your mind and you
could be smart about how you handle these situations when
you step in them. As far as Philip Rivers, he
knew that he knows what his limitations are and even
though in the game he had to take a couple
of shots to you know, loosen up the defense and
keep them honest, he knows what his bread and butter
is and it's quick decisive passes. It's actually diagnosing things
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and being able to give a steady diet of just
doing the right thing over and over again. And I
think for any person walking this planet and any football
player that wants to be good and separate themselves from
the others and have a long career, that's how you
do it. Be ready, be smart, and be able to
understand and decipher what your job and your duty is
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to come into that game and I think that's just
like I mean, that's what we saw last night from
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Twenty seven points on the board for the Colts, but
again not enough to match the Niners forty eight at
the end of today's show, because we don't know if
we're gonna see Philip Rivers again. We really don't know,
and we are lucky to have him for these two games.
End of today's show, You're not gonna want to miss this.
We're gonna give our own tribute to Philip Rivers if
this is it. Okay, it's coming up at the end
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of the show today. But what happens with last night's
game and the outcome of last night's game is it
is a multi crossing intersection of the National Football League,
and we are now entering week seventeen and week eighteen
after that, specifically Week seventeen, we are gonna have a
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slate where we have Chris Oladokin quin Ewers, Max Brosmer,
and Brady Cook starting games in the National Football League.
We may have Riley Leonard starting a game in the
National Football League in Week seventeen. That's the first part
of this is I know the Colts now have nothing
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to play for their season is over, Okay for all
intents and purposes, like it's it was a great run,
it was a great time in Indianapolis, But it's it's over, right,
There's there's not going to be an opportunity for the
Colts to really end up making a push. So now,
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if you're turning to Riley Leonard in this situation, it
would go along with Quinn Ewers, it would go along
with Brady Cook, JJ McCarthy's got the thumb injury. Max
bros Was going to start there. But I just have
a real problem that if we don't see Philip Rivers again,
and if the Colts are playing a meaningless game in
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week coming up in Week eighteen, what is the point?
What is the point of having these quarterbacks play at
this point it's to get ready for next season. Well,
that doesn't satisfy our reviewing right now. I want to
see Philip Rivers the next two weeks. I don't care
if the Colts are in it and the Colts are
out of it. And I think that the NFL now
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is having a problem. And Carrie, I've talked with you
about this, so I actually feel bad because you've had
to hear the most of it. You know how stuck
I am on this Dolphin situation with yours in Tua.
And it seems like it's an obvious move on the surface.
Who was not going to be your quarterback of the future.
Let's take a look at quin Ewers. But you did
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this when your team was immediately eliminated and you still
had three games to play. Be like the Bengals, Be
like Joe Burrow, who was saying, I want to I
want to play, I'm here to play. I missed most
of the year. I want to ride this string out.
That's what worries me about the Philip Rivers situation is
we may be robbed of only having two weeks of
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Philip Rivers as a starting quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts
because the coach may follow the path of the Miami
Dolphins and others and say, we want to take a
look at the young guy. And I think that robs
us of something good in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, I can understand that from a viewing perspective and
from a fan perspective, I think some of these situations
are a little bit different Dan in the in the
sense of in Cincinnati with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They know that's their guy.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So if he wants to play and both and the
coaches are okay with him playing those in this meaningless football,
then it's pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Miami.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
You said it like Tua.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Tua is probably not going to be their guy, so
they need to they need on the surface, they they
do need to see who's the next guy, or at
least give Quinn here as a chance. So that's a
little different in my mind as far as these other
quarterbacks play in those situations.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
JO hundred incorrect, though.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I mean, as a fan, if I knew that my
team was just kind of melding it in for next year,
then I guess that gives me the credence to do
the same thing as well. But yeah, I mean, this
thing is it's it's it's convoluted. It's usually at this
point of the season where a lot of teams are
out of it and then there's some teams are This one,
like you said, is lacking a little bit of drama
down the stretch here. But I'll say this, I think
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with the Colts, Philip Rivers is going to play now
if the coaching staff wants to see Riley Leonard. That's
another situation that could be a Miami situation. But I
know for a fact that Philip Rivers doesn't have any
more days left as an NFL quarterback and so maximizing
that for him, I'm sure he wants to play. So
we'll see what the Colts decide moving forward. Two to
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three percent chance of making the postseason, Oh, they do.
They still have a chance, two to three chance, which
is I'm sure it's no.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Right. I mean, they're saying there's a chance, and I'm
saying there is no chance. But I think it's reflective
of just of the National Football League and like the
Borough stuff is, I get he's their guy. That may
be even more reason to not play him. Sure, right,
like to protect him for a season that he would
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then be yours next year. Sure, the Dolphins going in
evaluation mode with a seventh round pick in Queen Yours
And I feel bad that I'm raining on Quin Yours parade,
but this is this is just the reality of it.
Like that doesn't that doesn't make sense to me, And
also what doesn't make sense to me we're talking about
numbers is the math here. So the NFL is trying
to talk about a schedule where we have seventeen games, Well,
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if the last three are meaningless that you're just throwing away,
then now you're giving us a fourteen game product. Right
if you're a Miami Dolphins fan, you don't get the
full experience. Unfortunately for the Giants. In teams like the Raiders,
that about a three week span really of having a season,
but it's also the point of just having of having value.
The Colts are at a high point at one point
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this season, and they have just free fall into a
low point that has them with the slim slim playoff hopes.
But I would much rather watch a Colts game with
Philip Rivers in week seventeen or week eighteen than to
see Riley Leonard go out there and see the developments
and what about eight other teams. Nine other teams want
to sit there and do that with their quarterbacks. They
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want to develop it. Then you just have an awful
slate and an awful product that you're putting on in
the field where you have a playoff picture Carrie that's
already got five spots locked up in both conferences, So
there's not even a lot of drama on who's going
to make the playoffs and who's not going to make
the playoffs. So that's my problem with the National Football
League is the product has got some questions already. Now,
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if we're advancing this, let's evaluate and let's look at players,
and we're doing it in weeks fifteen, Week sixteen, How
good is your product? Philip Rivers is a great story,
but we may lose that story so the Colts can
get a look on Riley Leonard.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
That's the only one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I'm one hundred percent with you on your see scenario
right now.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Because it is such a feel good story.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I know a lot of people had their claims
and and made up these scenarios where you know, this
forty four year old quarterback coming off the coming off
the couchs to come play an NFL game was you know, ridiculous.
And I think even at points I had that same
sentiment as well, whereas like people are asking me, can
I go out? No, I can't do it. So it's
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a special story. It's a special thing, and you know
we are being robbed of or could possibly be be
robbed of, continue to write that story in these these
last couple of weeks where you say there isn't many
storylines and there is not a lot of drama, which
is true.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
That could be one of them.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But again, when you talk about the scheduling, and we
talked about the NFL as a product, the product has
been waning a little bit, but that hasn't stopped the viewership, right,
and I don't think it will stop it in this
moment either, because there are fans of Quinn yours, there
are friends, there are fans of Brady of Cook, and
so people will tune in. Now, as far as the
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actual the ratings go on a global scale, I don't know,
and I don't and I'm not in the position to
talk about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Do you think someone's going to give up their holiday
weekend to watch when yours play? I just I don't
think that's real. I don't. I don't think dolphins want
to watch their Dolphins don't watch it anyway. When people
go to their games, it's it's a it's a it's
a moss post of jerseys. You and I are different
because I don't think that the Jets. The Jets future
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isn't Brady Cook now. The Jets' future is Fernando Mendoza, right,
or or whatever quarterbacks anymore. Yes, they may want to
look at that is their future to give away a
Sunday to watch them get rolled over by the Patriots.
I just don't think it's happening. I'll tell you this, Dan,
I'll tell you why that isn't true. I got a
d M by a friend. I haven't talked to him
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a while, but they were going to the Patriots. So
like because tickets are thirty four dollars and that's the yeah,
So it's it's affordable. It's a thing to do with
something to get out and maybe be with family. Jason
Stewart is our executive producer, one who always loves to
trash the product of the National Football League. Jason, the dilemma.
(11:13):
Here are you setting aside plans with Christina on Sunday
so you can see Brady Cook try to carve up
that new England?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Don't don't you put Jason and nets it? I think?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
In the Annals of Fox Sports Radio, Carrie Rhades stating
that Brady Cook has his fans, it's not one of
our highest points.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
That can be one of our highest points.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Exactly. Do you have a graphic department that can make
a graphic for the picture of Carrie Brady Cook has
his fans.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
It'll be me just like this with a thumbs up.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
I just think that like the individuals, and rooting for
individuals is one thing. I just I mean, I've been
I've been on the product of the NFL for a
while now. I just think that there's been a deterioration
in the product in general, and now you are having
teams purposefully feel teams that aren't supposed to do good,
and then the prospect of adding an eighteenth game, these
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problems will only exacerbate this. Will the entire month of
December be this, you know, two thirds of the league
just trying out for next year and at the at
the suffering of the fans and the gamblers, the handicap
you take everyone into, like it just seems like a
joke to me, for all the reasons Dan pointed out.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
No, And Dan's right, But I'm gonna tell you. I'll
tell you this. I'm gonna tell you who thought it is.
Who's thought it is, Jason Dan, It's ours. We still
watch it, we still gamble on it, we still have
the fantasy things.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And so it's great point. It's not about the product
of the NFL. We know that we all agree that
it's waning but doesn't matter. But here's here's the point
to that. And I want to go to Chris Purphett
in the second, the gamblers and the fantasy players are
the ones screwed because the players that you would bet
on or you would have on your fantasy team in
the championship game. Now instead of having two throwing passes
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to Jalen wat, you have Quen. You were throwing passes
to Jalen Waddell. So not only is it like it's
a and I know, listen, I may talk about fantasy
football a little too much here, I will fully admit it. However,
you cannot deny that it is a big reason why
the National Football League has such a grip hold on
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its fan base because it reaches nationally. If we only
cared about our local teams, we would be Major League Baseball.
That's what we would be. That's what it is. But
the betting portion of it, the fantasy portion of it,
makes it so popular in so many different ways. And
when you're putting out players like this, if you have
Jonathan Taylor or Tyler Warren in your fantasy League and
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it's week seventeen and you're in the championship game and
Jacksonville's come into town and you're gonna put out Riley Leonard.
That would tick me off. And that's a part of
the fan base as well. If you had tickets to
Colts Jaguars, are you less or more likely to go?
If Philip rivers quarterback, You're gonna go. Yes. So that's
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what you have to take into account. The Chiefs don't
have a quarterback. It's Christmas Night on Thursday. Their tickets
are cheaper right now than to watch the Saints in
Titans play on Sunday, to go to Arrowhead on Christmas Night, which,
by the way, it's gonna be really warm in Kansas
City for Christmas. TIMPs are only gonna be in the
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forties a minute, so you're not bundled up. But that's
what we're saying, that's taking away from a holiday. That's like,
that's and it's I understand that the Chiefs Minshew gets hurt,
Mahomes gets hurt back to back weeks. There's not a
lot that you can prepare for that. But in these
other situations where you have other games, I think it
is something you can prepare for. Chris Purfett.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, and I think the problem is is just once
you've expanded it, there's no taking it back. There's never
going to be a like we talk about this all
the time with a baseballer or the NBA. It's like,
well they should, they should retract the season. That'll never happen,
just like the NFL will never go back to sixteen games.
You know, this is always my big argument when people
start talking about expanding the college football playoff. Once you
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get too much of something and decide it's too much,
there is never a way to push the Pandora's box
closed again, and it leaves us with the situation where
it's just it's devalued across the board and like, yeah, now,
and it's going to affect the playoffs because now we're
just hoping, like, hey, maybe you can give the playoffs,
but like you're way too damn banged up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Roger Goodell's excuse reasoning points whatever you want to put
in expanding from sixteen to seventeen was fans want more
football money. Well that's that's that's the true portion of it. Yeah,
but fans don't want this football and that's I think
that's the issue that we've got with the NFL. They
don't want to see this sort of football. Yeah, no,
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I get it. I understand that. I mean there's I
don't have anything to say.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I mean, yeah, I don't think it's a I don't
think it's made it better by d next game. I
know players don't care for it anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So there's scenarios where if the Texans lose to the
Chargers and the Colts end up winning against Jacksonville and
there's another outcome, like the Colts can make it. But
again it's two to three percent, and maybe that two
to three percent is enough for the Colts to say,
Philip Rivers going out there and beat Jacksonville. Yeah. I
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would hope though, that if the Colts do play Philip
Rivers in Week seventeen and they don't win, that we
see Philip Rivers in Week eighteen, Like that's I just
I want to see him play out the string. I
don't want this just to be a two game quick
hit and have Philip Rivers be gone, because it's been
too good of a story from a team that honestly,
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at this point of the season, is not bringing value
to the NFL, to the product, and it really really could.
The Dolphins aren't bringing value to the NFL. The Jets
aren't doing it, the Raiders aren't doing it, the Giants
aren't doing it. Here, you have a team that is
basically out of the play off picture, and it could
give us a reason to watch. And that's why I
want Philip Rivers to continue to start the rest of
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the season.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
And I I'm probably I'm eighty percent. I'm eighty percent
sure he will Dan, even though they may be out
of it. Like I said, this is it for him
and he's and yeah, they don't have a chance. One
game of seeing Riley Leonard play against the NFL defense
that may not even matter won't give them the answers
they need.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
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Hoops versus Football last night. What did you watch? You
know how percentage percentage wise? Like was it eighty five
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percent NFL? Fifteen percent NBA? How about flip that?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Okay, yeah, but I guess Dan a in I since
I had the DVR, I end up watching most of it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Well, the topic of conversation after the Colts and Niners
game had nothing to do with the NFL. It had
to do with what happened in the NBA in San
Francisco last night, with the Warriors topping the Magic one
ninety seven. Yep, if you didn't know that, I just
told you. If you knew that, good on you. Because
nobody's talking about that game. The only thing that they're
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saying is how does this happen in a win? And
this I'm talking about is Draymond Green is at it again.
He and Steve Kerr end up having words during the
huddle in the third quarter, and then Draymond just leaves
and then and then comes back to the bench in
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the fourth quarter, didn't play a minute after he and
Kerr got into the to the spat. This was the
Warriors head coach after the game last night.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
We got into it, obviously, and you know I took
the time out just because I thought we lost our
focus a little bit and we had it out a
little bit, and you know, he made his decision to
go back to the locker room to cool off. And
that's all I'm going to say about it. It's everything.
Everything is private, and yeah, I got I got nothing.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Further down, he didn't play the last twenty minutes. Would
you have gone back to.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
No, No, he wasn't.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
He wasn't going back yet. And was that a decision
by him?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Well, he left, he went back to the locker room.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
A decision by him.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It may well have been. And maybe there's like leeway
because of what they've all gone through. Yeah, but I
don't didn't sound like Steve Kerr was saying that now
there are two sides to every story, Carrie, so it's
only fair. And we hear Draymond's version of the events
that occurred last night.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
Draymond, what happened? And why did you leave the bench?
Timper spilled over and I just thought it was best
that I got it. I don't think there was a
situation where it was going to get better, so it
was just best to remove myself.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
That's it what caused the argument. Basketball. That's what we do.
We play basketball. It's the emotional game. You know, people
live their emotions. Sometimes it happens, it is what it is.
You know, we've been at this now for a long time.
You know, sometimes you people for a long time. There's
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a level of comfort and happens. We move forward.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
I mean, do you feel like this will linger at all?
Speaker 9 (20:29):
Now?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We move forward? So there's I think that it was
handled as best as it could be. But this is
not a fifty to fifty situation. No, this is not
guess what Draymond Green has his say some of the time,
Steve Curry is his state some of the say some
of the time. This is always about Draymond Green. Everything
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has always been about Draymond Green, and any sort of friction,
any sort of conflict and sort of confrontation is always
about Draymond Green. And that's why Steve Kerr should have
a freakin' award considering what he's had to deal with
in putting up with Draymond's antics for the last decade
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plus and doing it in a way where he doesn't
cause complete chaos within his organization and handles it the
way that he does and Draymond is smart enough to
know in Draymond's explanation there that his head coach is
also not going to say anything. So Draymond's going to
say his little piece. Kerr's going to say his little
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piece and want us to move on after that. But
how many times does this have to happen, Carrie, where
Draymond Green is causing ways for the Golden State Warriors
and nothing is going to come of it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I'll tell you this, Dan, let me preface it by
saying this first, I think the only I think Steve
Kerr is the best coach to be able to handle
this situation anyway. And I'll say that because the one
reason he played with somebody who was a menace and
if from the outside looking in, would make things all
about him as well, even though he played hard in
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between the lines and all these things, and it was
a great teammate in between the lines. And you know
what that person is, Dennis Rodman. That's Dennis Rodman. And
so he has he had that example as a player,
he saw how Phil Jackson hendled that situation. All players
aren't created equal, Dan, And as much as coaches and
people want to think they are, some people you gotta
handle with kid gloves to get their maximum effort off.
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I mean on the field and on the court and win.
And that's what that business is about, right. So he
had that example, and so I'll say from this in
this time, in this era of basketball, Draymond Green is
Dennis Rodman, so to speak, and so he can handle
him in that way and know how to handle it
in the house. But when it comes to Draymond and
his antics and it being about him, Dan, you're one
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hundred percent true, like everything happens to him, not for him.
And I think that's the problem with a lot of guys,
and Draymond is at the top of that list when
you talk about guys that can be a problem if
things don't go asway I.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Look at it. I look at Rodman a little differently
in terms of Rodman was always an instigator on the court,
but there was also the outside of Dennis Rodman, of
him going to Las Vegas, or him being on the
cover of a magazine dressed up in a in a
bride's gown or whatever they came.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, WCW, Monday Night in trow All of those
things are those are outside got like Draymond Green's punching
players in practice, and that's what I think of every
single time Draymond Green pulls this. I also think Draymond
Green hits Lebron James in the groin in Game four
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of the twenty sixteen NBA Finals. I think about that.
I think about the Jordan Poole punch every single time
Draymond Green is into something. And that's the like, that's
the issue is. I think Steve Kerr would much rather
deal with Dennis Robin. And I don't think Dennis Robin
is hanging around the NBA when his game isn't what
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it was ten years ago. He's doing this out of
loyalty and out of what Draymond Green has meant to
the organization. But at some point you're being taken advantage
of if you're Steve Kerr or if you're the Golden
State Warriors in allowing this to happen. And by the way,
Draymond Green, You're right, Steve Kerr is the only one
that would put up with this. There's no other coach
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in the NBA that would be able to corral what
Draymond Green is doing. And the reason of that is
Draymond Green thinks he knows everything about basketball, and so
you would be challenging the other coaches in the NBA
and what maybe Spolstra, you know, like it would would
maybe have the cachet, but then you don't have the
personal relationship and the time over the last decade. It's
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just this is a you know, this is a Warriors
team that again is they're a middling team that you
want to root because of what happened in the past
and maybe have one go around. But when you're hovering
around five hundred, you're trying to figure out your place.
And now Draymond Green is leaving the bench, which again
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maybe he didn't want to say something that he would
you know, would have regretted later on. Yeah, but this
now just becomes another distraction and another thing that Steve
Grist to talk about in the post game.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
And the important thing you said right there is we're
hanging on to the lure of the Warriors past. This
isn't that team. And so the leeway that Draymond has
had and obviously still has at this moment, I think
it could be validated in years prior, but right now
this team isn't good and Draymond Green isn't good. He's
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a guy that is gonna give you eight, five and
five right now.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And is that worth a headache? I don't think it is.
Jason Stewart's the show's executive producer.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
This incident like taps into one of my pet peeves
is when when athletes kind of use their an excuse
of throwing a fit and being immature and put it
all under the umbrella I'm just competitive and I just
want to win. I'm guessing you played with a lot
of like hostile teammates who would do things you're not
(26:12):
supposed to and then the coach would cover for them,
like he just really wants to win.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's how.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
But everybody else was being an actual mature professional, but
that guy. So last night I flagged this sound. This
was Draymond kind of explaining a way why the tempers
were so heated.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Right Quite honestly, if everybody's okay with being fifteen and
fifteen and it's just Whoopie Doude.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Talking to you when they're forty one and forty one.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Can be Whoopie doing fifteen and fifteen, some gotta get so.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
So that's like it's his way of explaining away, I
just want to win and these guys don't. So I
could go off on my coach and make a fool
out of myself like that. There at some point, there
needs to come a time where that's no longer an
excuse for somebody like Draymond. But I don't think we've
reached that point.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
People think that that Draymond got uh was lost for
Game five, like we forget history. Yeah, because he punched
Lebron in the you know, in the growing No, it
was a flagrant fowl, which was an accumulation of fouls
which triggered a one game suspension. So tell me what's
(27:24):
worse knowing that your one foul away, that you could
be suspended for a game. Knowing that, or in a
spur of the moment hitting someone in the junk right, Like,
in the spur of the moment, you're going to think,
guess what, I would give that more of a pass
than knowing throughout the entire game that he's sitting there
skating on thin ice. He's walking this tightrope that I
(27:45):
just can't do anything stupid. I can't do anything foolish.
So when he's talking about these team being ticked off
about being fifteen and fifteen and ending up the regular
season forty one and forty one. Yeah, you were this
close to wrap up back to back NBA titles and
clinching the greatest NBA season we had ever seen. But
(28:07):
you couldn't help yourself. You couldn't help yourself in that situation.
And then Carrie, after three more rings following that series,
he's still doing the same thing. So where's the problem
the person that doesn't change or all the other players
that are around, which, by the way, yeah, Draymond may
not want to be fifteen and fifteen, but maybe one
(28:27):
of the reasons they're fifteen and fifteen is because they've
continued to kept Draymond green with the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Great point, and they also in the whole bane of
this conversation, Jason said something with the generalization of, you know,
Draymond been able to kind of rely on that aspect
of winning to get away with some of these things.
I don't like the generalization that he puts out right,
like he's the only one that cares about winning. Yeah,
(28:54):
there's it may be ninety it may be two percent
that don't care because they're mad, they're not getting whatever
that could be some instance, there's ninety eight percent of
those guys that want to win, and just because it's
not doing the way you want it to be done
doesn't make you right.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You're on a team with Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler,
right like, this is not a bunch of youngins on
your team that you're trying to mold into two winners.
He's just being a sore loser and he's sitting there
complaining about basketball, which, by the way, he wasn't having
a conversation with, you know, Padjemski or Jonathan Kaminga or
another young player on the Warriors. He's having the argument
(29:31):
with Steve Kerr.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
The most accomplished person.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yes, yes, so apparently Steve Kerr, you know, settling for
fifteen and fifteen and you know, Kerr keeping it in
houses what they always do. Is Actually the biggest problem
that I had with the Jordan Poole deal is they
cared more that the video got out than that Draymond
Green actually punched his own teammate the way that he did,
and when we saw the video, we saw how egregious
(29:55):
it was. He just has never changed. He never learned,
and it's just going to be the same old, same
old with Dram.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I just wish I had that much equity with anything
in life the way that jymnd has with the Golden
State Warriors.
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Speaker 5 (30:43):
Day Winners has got it. Day Winner's going the other way.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Winners to the forty twenty five thirty No, it's gonna
touch him, nothing but the tail lights. It's up Pick
six forty nine ers, Pick City Baby first Pick six
of the Year and de Winters was all over that
and caught Philip Rivers slip it wow a KNBR forty
(31:07):
nine ers radio network. If it's your first pick six,
you can't call yourself pick city. I think he was
saying that the moment was pick city, but otherwise it
wouldn't be pick city. You need to have multiple pick sixes.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I'm silly, I'm so upset you guys played that as
the player of the day after you talk so glowingly
about Philip Rivers.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Hey, we put them on.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
The party throws five touchdowns and we're just which actually
is a conversation with the forty nine ers, well, probably
having about thirty minutes or so, which is an interesting
conversation about San Francisco. They're more interesting when Brock Party
isn't paid than when he is paid.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And now it's the determination of are they really a
super Bowl contender?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Anyway, that was our TIREC play of the day. The
Ravens aren't a super Bowl contender, just hanging on to
any hope of actually making these playoffs and Ravens said
coach John Harball was asked about his job security after
this run off season in Baltimore.
Speaker 10 (32:01):
My focus is on always it has been for the
last eighteen years here, in the last forty one years
in coaching, or is it forty two, it's up there.
It's been to try to do the best job I
can today and fight as hard as I can so
the guys got the best chance to be successful today
and anything after today I'm not thinking about, because you know,
it's not given for us to think about. We don't
(32:21):
have control over that except for the job we do today,
and if we do a good enough job today, and
then the opportunity to do that job or a different
job will be there tomorrow. And that's what you hope for.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Ravens are seven and eight. I think I like how
I used to all cliches at the end, but he
made sure of to forget the year, which then is
a purfect like it's a perfect way to be. Like.
I've been in this so long, I don't even remember
how much I've been in it. But what is itty
is forty two? I don't know. It doesn't matter to me.
All I care about is the next day. Yeah, you
(32:51):
think that Harball is on the hot seat and that
seat's cooking.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I do, and I like Harball a lot. I think
he's been a great coach. I think he's been a
great leader of I think all those things are true,
and he can be accomplished and I think that's true.
But on the other side of that, his job is
in jeopardy and I think that's true as well. And
I don't think it'll be a messy one. I don't
think he'll be fire any of fired, any of that.
(33:15):
But I think there is a pardon of the ways
that is coming. They just need a new voice.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I I and I disagree. I don't think that it's
on his shoulders, like Lamar get's hurt the season. Yep,
he's never He's not an offensive or defensive guy who
special teams guy comes in, so he's handed off the
problem or the offensive defense have always been run by
other people. Yes, maybe he hired the wrong person. They're
seven and eight with Lamar being hurt for a major
(33:39):
a decent part of this year, and they're still hanging
on for the possibility of making the playoffs. I don't
think that this is the point that you that you
end your tenure with John Harbaugh. I think he deserves
more than that.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, and I'll disagree on that Dan, because I think
he's gotten a lot of leeway these last four or
five years with the team that I think every four
all out of all these five years were expected to
make a deep run and possibly win a championship, and
that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Jason Stewart, did you want to win? In on John Harper?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
I just think that there's a point to be made
to have a counterpoint to this whole thing. Kyle Shanahan
has done exceptionally well with two quarterbacks this year.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
I think because he's an offensive guy, you could hold
it against him if he didn't. With John Harball being
of a special teams guy, I don't know if you
could hold that Lamar Jackson point against him.
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(34:50):
think the right guy. If they would have kept McDonald, Yeah,
from Seattle. He would have been the perfect guy for
that team. Maybe too bad, so sad. Right now, what
did we miss from week sixteen that we need to
hit on. He's Carrie, I'm Dan. That's next on Fox.
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last night.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
H M.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Brock Purty magnificent performance. Offensively, the Niners were a juggernaut
and guess what, Philip Rivers of the Colts held their own.
Please don't go, Philip Rivers, Please don't go anywhere. But
the Niners get the last laugh. Colts eliminated from the postseason. Yeah,
everything you just said absolutely true. But with Philip Rivers,
(01:02):
you know what, man, I.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Am really, really, really amazed and actually humbled to see
what this man has done in two weeks with the Colts.
And obviously physically he is not Philip Rivers. And physically
he's not you know, he's not bending any rules as
far as how he's playing. But I think what it
says for Philip and any man woman that's walking this
(01:28):
planet if you can still use your mind and you
could be smart about how you handle these situations when
you step in them. As far as Philip Rivers, he
knew that he knows what his limitations are and even
though in the game he had to take a couple
of shots to you know, loosen up the defense and
keep them honest, he knows what his bread and butter
is and it's quick decisive passes. It's actually diagnosing things
(01:52):
and being able to give a steady diet of just
doing the right thing over and over again. And I
think for any person walking this planet and any football
player that wants to be good and separate themselves from
the others and have a long career, that's how you
do it. Be ready, be smart, and be able to
understand and decipher what your job and your duty is
(02:12):
to come into that game and I think that's just
like I mean, that's what we saw last night from
Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Twenty seven points on the board for the Colts, but
again not enough to match the Niners forty eight at
the end of today's show, because we don't know if
we're gonna see Philip Rivers again. We really don't know,
and we are lucky to have him for these two games.
End of today's show, You're not gonna want to miss this.
We're gonna give our own tribute to Philip Rivers if
this is it. Okay, it's coming up at the end
(02:41):
of the show today. But what happens with last night's
game and the outcome of last night's game is it
is a multi crossing intersection of the National Football League,
and we are now entering week seventeen and week eighteen
after that, specifically Week seventeen, we are gonna have a
(03:02):
slate where we have Chris Oladokin quin Ewers, Max Brosmer,
and Brady Cook starting games in the National Football League.
We may have Riley Leonard starting a game in the
National Football League in Week seventeen. That's the first part
of this is I know the Colts now have nothing
(03:25):
to play for their season is over, Okay for all
intents and purposes, like it's it was a great run,
it was a great time in Indianapolis, But it's it's over, right,
There's there's not going to be an opportunity for the
Colts to really end up making a push. So now,
(03:46):
if you're turning to Riley Leonard in this situation, it
would go along with Quinn Ewers, it would go along
with Brady Cook, JJ McCarthy's got the thumb injury. Max
bros Was going to start there. But I just have
a real problem that if we don't see Philip Rivers again,
and if the Colts are playing a meaningless game in
(04:07):
week coming up in Week eighteen, what is the point?
What is the point of having these quarterbacks play at
this point it's to get ready for next season. Well,
that doesn't satisfy our reviewing right now. I want to
see Philip Rivers the next two weeks. I don't care
if the Colts are in it and the Colts are
out of it. And I think that the NFL now
(04:29):
is having a problem. And Carrie, I've talked with you
about this, so I actually feel bad because you've had
to hear the most of it. You know how stuck
I am on this Dolphin situation with yours in Tua.
And it seems like it's an obvious move on the surface.
Who was not going to be your quarterback of the future.
Let's take a look at quin Ewers. But you did
(04:50):
this when your team was immediately eliminated and you still
had three games to play. Be like the Bengals, Be
like Joe Burrow, who was saying, I want to I
want to play, I'm here to play. I missed most
of the year. I want to ride this string out.
That's what worries me about the Philip Rivers situation is
we may be robbed of only having two weeks of
(05:10):
Philip Rivers as a starting quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts
because the coach may follow the path of the Miami
Dolphins and others and say, we want to take a
look at the young guy. And I think that robs
us of something good in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Yeah, I can understand that from a viewing perspective and
from a fan perspective, I think some of these situations
are a little bit different Dan in the in the
sense of in Cincinnati with Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
They know that's their guy.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
So if he wants to play and both and the
coaches are okay with him playing those in this meaningless football,
then it's pretty pretty simple.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Miami.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
You said it like Tua.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Tua is probably not going to be their guy, so
they need to they need on the surface, they they
do need to see who's the next guy, or at
least give Quinn here as a chance. So that's a
little different in my mind as far as these other
quarterbacks play in those situations.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
JO hundred incorrect, though.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
I mean, as a fan, if I knew that my
team was just kind of melding it in for next year,
then I guess that gives me the credence to do
the same thing as well. But yeah, I mean, this
thing is it's it's it's convoluted. It's usually at this
point of the season where a lot of teams are
out of it and then there's some teams are This one,
like you said, is lacking a little bit of drama
down the stretch here. But I'll say this, I think
(06:22):
with the Colts, Philip Rivers is going to play now
if the coaching staff wants to see Riley Leonard. That's
another situation that could be a Miami situation. But I
know for a fact that Philip Rivers doesn't have any
more days left as an NFL quarterback and so maximizing
that for him, I'm sure he wants to play. So
we'll see what the Colts decide moving forward. Two to
(06:43):
three percent chance of making the postseason, Oh, they do.
They still have a chance, two to three chance, which
is I'm sure it's no.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Right. I mean, they're saying there's a chance, and I'm
saying there is no chance. But I think it's reflective
of just of the National Football League and like the
Borough stuff is, I get he's their guy. That may
be even more reason to not play him. Sure, right,
like to protect him for a season that he would
(07:13):
then be yours next year. Sure, the Dolphins going in
evaluation mode with a seventh round pick in Queen Yours
And I feel bad that I'm raining on Quin Yours parade,
but this is this is just the reality of it.
Like that doesn't that doesn't make sense to me, And
also what doesn't make sense to me we're talking about
numbers is the math here. So the NFL is trying
to talk about a schedule where we have seventeen games, Well,
(07:37):
if the last three are meaningless that you're just throwing away,
then now you're giving us a fourteen game product. Right
if you're a Miami Dolphins fan, you don't get the
full experience. Unfortunately for the Giants. In teams like the Raiders,
that about a three week span really of having a season,
but it's also the point of just having of having value.
The Colts are at a high point at one point
(07:58):
this season, and they have just free fall into a
low point that has them with the slim slim playoff hopes.
But I would much rather watch a Colts game with
Philip Rivers in week seventeen or week eighteen than to
see Riley Leonard go out there and see the developments
and what about eight other teams. Nine other teams want
to sit there and do that with their quarterbacks. They
(08:18):
want to develop it. Then you just have an awful
slate and an awful product that you're putting on in
the field where you have a playoff picture Carrie that's
already got five spots locked up in both conferences, So
there's not even a lot of drama on who's going
to make the playoffs and who's not going to make
the playoffs. So that's my problem with the National Football
League is the product has got some questions already. Now,
(08:41):
if we're advancing this, let's evaluate and let's look at players,
and we're doing it in weeks fifteen, Week sixteen, How
good is your product? Philip Rivers is a great story,
but we may lose that story so the Colts can
get a look on Riley Leonard.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
That's the only one.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I'm one hundred percent with you on your see scenario
right now.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Because it is such a feel good story.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
And I know a lot of people had their claims
and and made up these scenarios where you know, this
forty four year old quarterback coming off the coming off
the couchs to come play an NFL game was you know, ridiculous.
And I think even at points I had that same
sentiment as well, whereas like people are asking me, can
I go out? No, I can't do it. So it's
(09:23):
a special story. It's a special thing, and you know
we are being robbed of or could possibly be be
robbed of, continue to write that story in these these
last couple of weeks where you say there isn't many
storylines and there is not a lot of drama, which
is true.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
That could be one of them.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But again, when you talk about the scheduling, and we
talked about the NFL as a product, the product has
been waning a little bit, but that hasn't stopped the viewership, right,
and I don't think it will stop it in this
moment either, because there are fans of Quinn yours, there
are friends, there are fans of Brady of Cook, and
so people will tune in. Now, as far as the
(09:59):
actual the ratings go on a global scale, I don't know,
and I don't and I'm not in the position to
talk about that part of it.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Do you think someone's going to give up their holiday
weekend to watch when yours play? I just I don't
think that's real. I don't. I don't think dolphins want
to watch their Dolphins don't watch it anyway. When people
go to their games, it's it's a it's a it's
a moss post of jerseys. You and I are different
because I don't think that the Jets. The Jets future
(10:28):
isn't Brady Cook now. The Jets' future is Fernando Mendoza, right,
or or whatever quarterbacks anymore. Yes, they may want to
look at that is their future to give away a
Sunday to watch them get rolled over by the Patriots.
I just don't think it's happening. I'll tell you this, Dan,
I'll tell you why that isn't true. I got a
d M by a friend. I haven't talked to him
(10:51):
a while, but they were going to the Patriots. So
like because tickets are thirty four dollars and that's the yeah,
So it's it's affordable. It's a thing to do with
something to get out and maybe be with family. Jason
Stewart is our executive producer, one who always loves to
trash the product of the National Football League. Jason, the dilemma.
(11:13):
Here are you setting aside plans with Christina on Sunday
so you can see Brady Cook try to carve up
that new England?
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Don't don't you put Jason and nets it? I think?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
In the Annals of Fox Sports Radio, Carrie Rhades stating
that Brady Cook has his fans, it's not one of
our highest points.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
That can be one of our highest points.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Exactly. Do you have a graphic department that can make
a graphic for the picture of Carrie Brady Cook has
his fans.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
It'll be me just like this with a thumbs up.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
I just think that like the individuals, and rooting for
individuals is one thing. I just I mean, I've been
I've been on the product of the NFL for a
while now. I just think that there's been a deterioration
in the product in general, and now you are having
teams purposefully feel teams that aren't supposed to do good,
and then the prospect of adding an eighteenth game, these
(12:06):
problems will only exacerbate this. Will the entire month of
December be this, you know, two thirds of the league
just trying out for next year and at the at
the suffering of the fans and the gamblers, the handicap
you take everyone into, like it just seems like a
joke to me, for all the reasons Dan pointed out.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
No, And Dan's right, But I'm gonna tell you. I'll
tell you this. I'm gonna tell you who thought it is.
Who's thought it is, Jason Dan, It's ours. We still
watch it, we still gamble on it, we still have
the fantasy things.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And so it's great point. It's not about the product
of the NFL. We know that we all agree that
it's waning but doesn't matter. But here's here's the point
to that. And I want to go to Chris Purphett
in the second, the gamblers and the fantasy players are
the ones screwed because the players that you would bet
on or you would have on your fantasy team in
the championship game. Now instead of having two throwing passes
(12:59):
to Jalen wat, you have Quen. You were throwing passes
to Jalen Waddell. So not only is it like it's
a and I know, listen, I may talk about fantasy
football a little too much here, I will fully admit it. However,
you cannot deny that it is a big reason why
the National Football League has such a grip hold on
(13:22):
its fan base because it reaches nationally. If we only
cared about our local teams, we would be Major League Baseball.
That's what we would be. That's what it is. But
the betting portion of it, the fantasy portion of it,
makes it so popular in so many different ways. And
when you're putting out players like this, if you have
Jonathan Taylor or Tyler Warren in your fantasy League and
(13:45):
it's week seventeen and you're in the championship game and
Jacksonville's come into town and you're gonna put out Riley Leonard.
That would tick me off. And that's a part of
the fan base as well. If you had tickets to
Colts Jaguars, are you less or more likely to go?
If Philip rivers quarterback, You're gonna go. Yes. So that's
(14:09):
what you have to take into account. The Chiefs don't
have a quarterback. It's Christmas Night on Thursday. Their tickets
are cheaper right now than to watch the Saints in
Titans play on Sunday, to go to Arrowhead on Christmas Night, which,
by the way, it's gonna be really warm in Kansas
City for Christmas. TIMPs are only gonna be in the
(14:29):
forties a minute, so you're not bundled up. But that's
what we're saying, that's taking away from a holiday. That's like,
that's and it's I understand that the Chiefs Minshew gets hurt,
Mahomes gets hurt back to back weeks. There's not a
lot that you can prepare for that. But in these
other situations where you have other games, I think it
is something you can prepare for. Chris Purfett.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, and I think the problem is is just once
you've expanded it, there's no taking it back. There's never
going to be a like we talk about this all
the time with a baseballer or the NBA. It's like,
well they should, they should retract the season. That'll never happen,
just like the NFL will never go back to sixteen games.
You know, this is always my big argument when people
start talking about expanding the college football playoff. Once you
(15:11):
get too much of something and decide it's too much,
there is never a way to push the Pandora's box
closed again, and it leaves us with the situation where
it's just it's devalued across the board and like, yeah, now,
and it's going to affect the playoffs because now we're
just hoping, like, hey, maybe you can give the playoffs,
but like you're way too damn banged up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Roger Goodell's excuse reasoning points whatever you want to put
in expanding from sixteen to seventeen was fans want more
football money. Well that's that's that's the true portion of it. Yeah,
but fans don't want this football and that's I think
that's the issue that we've got with the NFL. They
don't want to see this sort of football. Yeah, no,
(15:51):
I get it. I understand that. I mean there's I
don't have anything to say.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I mean, yeah, I don't think it's a I don't
think it's made it better by d next game. I
know players don't care for it anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
So there's scenarios where if the Texans lose to the
Chargers and the Colts end up winning against Jacksonville and
there's another outcome, like the Colts can make it. But
again it's two to three percent, and maybe that two
to three percent is enough for the Colts to say,
Philip Rivers going out there and beat Jacksonville. Yeah. I
(16:24):
would hope though, that if the Colts do play Philip
Rivers in Week seventeen and they don't win, that we
see Philip Rivers in Week eighteen, Like that's I just
I want to see him play out the string. I
don't want this just to be a two game quick
hit and have Philip Rivers be gone, because it's been
too good of a story from a team that honestly,
(16:44):
at this point of the season, is not bringing value
to the NFL, to the product, and it really really could.
The Dolphins aren't bringing value to the NFL. The Jets
aren't doing it, the Raiders aren't doing it, the Giants
aren't doing it. Here, you have a team that is
basically out of the play off picture, and it could
give us a reason to watch. And that's why I
want Philip Rivers to continue to start the rest of
(17:04):
the season.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
And I I'm probably I'm eighty percent. I'm eighty percent
sure he will Dan, even though they may be out
of it. Like I said, this is it for him
and he's and yeah, they don't have a chance. One
game of seeing Riley Leonard play against the NFL defense
that may not even matter won't give them the answers
they need.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Anyway.
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Hoops versus Football last night. What did you watch? You
know how percentage percentage wise? Like was it eighty five
(17:51):
percent NFL? Fifteen percent NBA? How about flip that?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Okay, yeah, but I guess Dan a in I since
I had the DVR, I end up watching most of it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Well, the topic of conversation after the Colts and Niners
game had nothing to do with the NFL. It had
to do with what happened in the NBA in San
Francisco last night, with the Warriors topping the Magic one
ninety seven. Yep, if you didn't know that, I just
told you. If you knew that, good on you. Because
nobody's talking about that game. The only thing that they're
(18:22):
saying is how does this happen in a win? And
this I'm talking about is Draymond Green is at it again.
He and Steve Kerr end up having words during the
huddle in the third quarter, and then Draymond just leaves
and then and then comes back to the bench in
(18:43):
the fourth quarter, didn't play a minute after he and
Kerr got into the to the spat. This was the
Warriors head coach after the game last night.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
We got into it, obviously, and you know I took
the time out just because I thought we lost our
focus a little bit and we had it out a
little bit, and you know, he made his decision to
go back to the locker room to cool off. And
that's all I'm going to say about it. It's everything.
Everything is private, and yeah, I got I got nothing.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Further down, he didn't play the last twenty minutes. Would
you have gone back to.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
No, No, he wasn't.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
He wasn't going back yet. And was that a decision
by him?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Well, he left, he went back to the locker room.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
A decision by him.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
It may well have been. And maybe there's like leeway
because of what they've all gone through. Yeah, but I
don't didn't sound like Steve Kerr was saying that now
there are two sides to every story, Carrie, so it's
only fair. And we hear Draymond's version of the events
that occurred last night.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
Draymond, what happened? And why did you leave the bench?
Timper spilled over and I just thought it was best
that I got it. I don't think there was a
situation where it was going to get better, so it
was just best to remove myself.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
You know.
Speaker 9 (20:01):
That's it what caused the argument. Basketball. That's what we do.
We play basketball. It's the emotional game. You know, people
live their emotions. Sometimes it happens, it is what it is.
You know, we've been at this now for a long time.
You know, sometimes you people for a long time. There's
(20:21):
a level of comfort and happens. We move forward.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
I mean, do you feel like this will linger at all?
Speaker 9 (20:29):
Now?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We move forward? So there's I think that it was
handled as best as it could be. But this is
not a fifty to fifty situation. No, this is not
guess what Draymond Green has his say some of the time,
Steve Curry is his state some of the say some
of the time. This is always about Draymond Green. Everything
(20:53):
has always been about Draymond Green, and any sort of friction,
any sort of conflict and sort of confrontation is always
about Draymond Green. And that's why Steve Kerr should have
a freakin' award considering what he's had to deal with
in putting up with Draymond's antics for the last decade
(21:13):
plus and doing it in a way where he doesn't
cause complete chaos within his organization and handles it the
way that he does and Draymond is smart enough to
know in Draymond's explanation there that his head coach is
also not going to say anything. So Draymond's going to
say his little piece. Kerr's going to say his little
(21:33):
piece and want us to move on after that. But
how many times does this have to happen, Carrie, where
Draymond Green is causing ways for the Golden State Warriors
and nothing is going to come of it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
I'll tell you this, Dan, let me preface it by
saying this first, I think the only I think Steve
Kerr is the best coach to be able to handle
this situation anyway. And I'll say that because the one
reason he played with somebody who was a menace and
if from the outside looking in, would make things all
about him as well, even though he played hard in
(22:09):
between the lines and all these things, and it was
a great teammate in between the lines. And you know
what that person is, Dennis Rodman. That's Dennis Rodman. And
so he has he had that example as a player,
he saw how Phil Jackson hendled that situation. All players
aren't created equal, Dan, And as much as coaches and
people want to think they are, some people you gotta
handle with kid gloves to get their maximum effort off.
(22:31):
I mean on the field and on the court and win.
And that's what that business is about, right. So he
had that example, and so I'll say from this in
this time, in this era of basketball, Draymond Green is
Dennis Rodman, so to speak, and so he can handle
him in that way and know how to handle it
in the house. But when it comes to Draymond and
his antics and it being about him, Dan, you're one
(22:53):
hundred percent true, like everything happens to him, not for him.
And I think that's the problem with a lot of guys,
and Draymond is at the top of that list when
you talk about guys that can be a problem if
things don't go asway I.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Look at it. I look at Rodman a little differently
in terms of Rodman was always an instigator on the court,
but there was also the outside of Dennis Rodman, of
him going to Las Vegas, or him being on the
cover of a magazine dressed up in a in a
bride's gown or whatever they came.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah, WCW, Monday Night in trow All of those
things are those are outside got like Draymond Green's punching
players in practice, and that's what I think of every
single time Draymond Green pulls this. I also think Draymond
Green hits Lebron James in the groin in Game four
(23:49):
of the twenty sixteen NBA Finals. I think about that.
I think about the Jordan Poole punch every single time
Draymond Green is into something. And that's the like, that's
the issue is. I think Steve Kerr would much rather
deal with Dennis Robin. And I don't think Dennis Robin
is hanging around the NBA when his game isn't what
(24:10):
it was ten years ago. He's doing this out of
loyalty and out of what Draymond Green has meant to
the organization. But at some point you're being taken advantage
of if you're Steve Kerr or if you're the Golden
State Warriors in allowing this to happen. And by the way,
Draymond Green, You're right, Steve Kerr is the only one
that would put up with this. There's no other coach
(24:31):
in the NBA that would be able to corral what
Draymond Green is doing. And the reason of that is
Draymond Green thinks he knows everything about basketball, and so
you would be challenging the other coaches in the NBA
and what maybe Spolstra, you know, like it would would
maybe have the cachet, but then you don't have the
personal relationship and the time over the last decade. It's
(24:51):
just this is a you know, this is a Warriors
team that again is they're a middling team that you
want to root because of what happened in the past
and maybe have one go around. But when you're hovering
around five hundred, you're trying to figure out your place.
And now Draymond Green is leaving the bench, which again
(25:11):
maybe he didn't want to say something that he would
you know, would have regretted later on. Yeah, but this
now just becomes another distraction and another thing that Steve
Grist to talk about in the post game.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
And the important thing you said right there is we're
hanging on to the lure of the Warriors past. This
isn't that team. And so the leeway that Draymond has
had and obviously still has at this moment, I think
it could be validated in years prior, but right now
this team isn't good and Draymond Green isn't good. He's
(25:43):
a guy that is gonna give you eight, five and
five right now.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
And is that worth a headache? I don't think it is.
Jason Stewart's the show's executive producer.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
This incident like taps into one of my pet peeves
is when when athletes kind of use their an excuse
of throwing a fit and being immature and put it
all under the umbrella I'm just competitive and I just
want to win. I'm guessing you played with a lot
of like hostile teammates who would do things you're not
(26:12):
supposed to and then the coach would cover for them,
like he just really wants to win.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's how.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
But everybody else was being an actual mature professional, but
that guy. So last night I flagged this sound. This
was Draymond kind of explaining a way why the tempers
were so heated.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Right Quite honestly, if everybody's okay with being fifteen and
fifteen and it's just Whoopie Doude.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Talking to you when they're forty one and forty one.
Speaker 9 (26:45):
Can be Whoopie doing fifteen and fifteen, some gotta get so.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
So that's like it's his way of explaining away, I
just want to win and these guys don't. So I
could go off on my coach and make a fool
out of myself like that. There at some point, there
needs to come a time where that's no longer an
excuse for somebody like Draymond. But I don't think we've
reached that point.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
People think that that Draymond got uh was lost for
Game five, like we forget history. Yeah, because he punched
Lebron in the you know, in the growing No, it
was a flagrant fowl, which was an accumulation of fouls
which triggered a one game suspension. So tell me what's
(27:24):
worse knowing that your one foul away, that you could
be suspended for a game. Knowing that, or in a
spur of the moment hitting someone in the junk right, Like,
in the spur of the moment, you're going to think,
guess what, I would give that more of a pass
than knowing throughout the entire game that he's sitting there
skating on thin ice. He's walking this tightrope that I
(27:45):
just can't do anything stupid. I can't do anything foolish.
So when he's talking about these team being ticked off
about being fifteen and fifteen and ending up the regular
season forty one and forty one. Yeah, you were this
close to wrap up back to back NBA titles and
clinching the greatest NBA season we had ever seen. But
(28:07):
you couldn't help yourself. You couldn't help yourself in that situation.
And then Carrie, after three more rings following that series,
he's still doing the same thing. So where's the problem
the person that doesn't change or all the other players
that are around, which, by the way, yeah, Draymond may
not want to be fifteen and fifteen, but maybe one
(28:27):
of the reasons they're fifteen and fifteen is because they've
continued to kept Draymond green with the Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Great point, and they also in the whole bane of
this conversation, Jason said something with the generalization of, you know,
Draymond been able to kind of rely on that aspect
of winning to get away with some of these things.
I don't like the generalization that he puts out right,
like he's the only one that cares about winning. Yeah,
(28:54):
there's it may be ninety it may be two percent
that don't care because they're mad, they're not getting whatever
that could be some instance, there's ninety eight percent of
those guys that want to win, and just because it's
not doing the way you want it to be done
doesn't make you right.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You're on a team with Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler,
right like, this is not a bunch of youngins on
your team that you're trying to mold into two winners.
He's just being a sore loser and he's sitting there
complaining about basketball, which, by the way, he wasn't having
a conversation with, you know, Padjemski or Jonathan Kaminga or
another young player on the Warriors. He's having the argument
(29:31):
with Steve Kerr.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
The most accomplished person.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yes, yes, so apparently Steve Kerr, you know, settling for
fifteen and fifteen and you know, Kerr keeping it in
houses what they always do. Is Actually the biggest problem
that I had with the Jordan Poole deal is they
cared more that the video got out than that Draymond
Green actually punched his own teammate the way that he did,
and when we saw the video, we saw how egregious
(29:55):
it was. He just has never changed. He never learned,
and it's just going to be the same old, same
old with Dram.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
I just wish I had that much equity with anything
in life the way that jymnd has with the Golden
State Warriors.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
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Speaker 2 (30:15):
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Speaker 5 (30:43):
Day Winners has got it. Day Winner's going the other way.
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Winners to the forty twenty five thirty No, it's gonna
touch him, nothing but the tail lights. It's up Pick
six forty nine ers, Pick City Baby first Pick six
of the Year and de Winters was all over that
and caught Philip Rivers slip it wow a KNBR forty
(31:07):
nine ers radio network. If it's your first pick six,
you can't call yourself pick city. I think he was
saying that the moment was pick city, but otherwise it
wouldn't be pick city. You need to have multiple pick sixes.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I'm silly, I'm so upset you guys played that as
the player of the day after you talk so glowingly
about Philip Rivers.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Hey, we put them on.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
The party throws five touchdowns and we're just which actually
is a conversation with the forty nine ers, well, probably
having about thirty minutes or so, which is an interesting
conversation about San Francisco. They're more interesting when Brock Party
isn't paid than when he is paid.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
And now it's the determination of are they really a
super Bowl contender?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Anyway, that was our TIREC play of the day. The
Ravens aren't a super Bowl contender, just hanging on to
any hope of actually making these playoffs and Ravens said
coach John Harball was asked about his job security after
this run off season in Baltimore.
Speaker 10 (32:01):
My focus is on always it has been for the
last eighteen years here, in the last forty one years
in coaching, or is it forty two, it's up there.
It's been to try to do the best job I
can today and fight as hard as I can so
the guys got the best chance to be successful today
and anything after today I'm not thinking about, because you know,
it's not given for us to think about. We don't
(32:21):
have control over that except for the job we do today,
and if we do a good enough job today, and
then the opportunity to do that job or a different
job will be there tomorrow. And that's what you hope for.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Ravens are seven and eight. I think I like how
I used to all cliches at the end, but he
made sure of to forget the year, which then is
a purfect like it's a perfect way to be. Like.
I've been in this so long, I don't even remember
how much I've been in it. But what is itty
is forty two? I don't know. It doesn't matter to me.
All I care about is the next day. Yeah, you
(32:51):
think that Harball is on the hot seat and that
seat's cooking.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I do, and I like Harball a lot. I think
he's been a great coach. I think he's been a
great leader of I think all those things are true,
and he can be accomplished and I think that's true.
But on the other side of that, his job is
in jeopardy and I think that's true as well. And
I don't think it'll be a messy one. I don't
think he'll be fire any of fired, any of that.
(33:15):
But I think there is a pardon of the ways
that is coming. They just need a new voice.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I I and I disagree. I don't think that it's
on his shoulders, like Lamar get's hurt the season. Yep,
he's never He's not an offensive or defensive guy who
special teams guy comes in, so he's handed off the
problem or the offensive defense have always been run by
other people. Yes, maybe he hired the wrong person. They're
seven and eight with Lamar being hurt for a major
(33:39):
a decent part of this year, and they're still hanging
on for the possibility of making the playoffs. I don't
think that this is the point that you that you
end your tenure with John Harbaugh. I think he deserves
more than that.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, and I'll disagree on that Dan, because I think
he's gotten a lot of leeway these last four or
five years with the team that I think every four
all out of all these five years were expected to
make a deep run and possibly win a championship, and
that hasn't happened.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Jason Stewart, did you want to win? In on John Harper?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
I just think that there's a point to be made
to have a counterpoint to this whole thing. Kyle Shanahan
has done exceptionally well with two quarterbacks this year.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
I think because he's an offensive guy, you could hold
it against him if he didn't. With John Harball being
of a special teams guy, I don't know if you
could hold that Lamar Jackson point against him.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
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you think it's an attractive job having an older, maybe
banged up Lamar Jackson? Yes, Okay, yeah, for sure, I
(34:50):
think the right guy. If they would have kept McDonald, Yeah,
from Seattle. He would have been the perfect guy for
that team. Maybe too bad, so sad. Right now, what
did we miss from week sixteen that we need to
hit on. He's Carrie, I'm Dan. That's next on Fox.
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