July 9, 2025 • 35 mins
Dan and Kerry in for Doug as they discuss the WNBA and Caitlin Clark taking control. They discuss Clark choosing to trade away her All-Star coach Cheryl Reeve and they obvious implications in that. Dan and Kerry react to comments made by the General Manager of the Kansas City Chiefs about star tight end Travis Kelce.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
App past call A Happy Wednesday and the WNBA. I
never thought I would say this, the gift that keeps
on giving. Carry ro one d in a time where
baseball is about to cruise into an All Star break,
NBA free agency is really slowed down, and we're still
a few weeks away from the NFL training camps. It's
the WNBA that pumps the blood of sports fans, maybe
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just more of the drama that's going on in the WNBA.
We are about to dive in carry up at Carrie
twenty five Roads. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox Chiefs GM. Brett Viach had something very interesting
to say about one of his star players. We'll dive
into that in about twenty minutes or so. Plus it's
a Wednesday, so you know it's time for the Midway.
Jason Stewart is here as his eye with Sam Chris
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Burffett will give us all the breaking news we need,
plus the updates throughout the day. But the latest update
that we have on the WNBA is the All Star
Game is coming up, and last night they had a
draft of the All Star players, with Nafisa Kllier being
one of the captains of one of the All Star
teams and Indiana Fever guard Caitlin Clark being the captain
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of the other team. And we've seen this draft process
go on before Kerry where in the NBA, Giannis and
Lebron have drafted and h it was nice for a while,
but then it got a little bit old. There's more
drama on who is the first pick and who's the
last picked in the middle that kind of kind of
settles out. But I thought that last night's WNBA draft
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draft All Star Game draft provided some interesting, let's just
call them drama threads throughout that for some reason, keep
this league just pumping and pumping with attention and excitement.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, you'll have to break down all the little details
of what happened in that draft. I do know that,
you know, I guess the fallout. The immediate fallout was
everybody who had beef or had some type of tiff
with the great Kaitlyn Clark was not on her team.
I saw that, and there's more to that story. I
want you to break it down a little bit more
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for me, Dan, but that was my immediate thing, nobody
that she had beef with on her time.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think it's I think it's an opportunity for Kaitlyn
Clark to now stand up for herself, and I feel
that she's doing it in a way that isn't in
your face and telling everybody about it. But I found
it very interesting. Now, Brianna Stewart's initially had comments when
Clark was coming into the NBA because there was a
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lot of question on was Kaitlyn Clark the greatest college
basketball player that we've ever seen? Yeah, And there was
a lot of people who were saying, well, Brianna Stewart
is look at what she did at yukon all of
her accolades, Clark never won a national champion hip. So
Brianna Stewart was kind of thrown into the mix. I
think that Caitlyn Clark and Brianna Stewart have a good relationship. Yes,
And even throughout this back and forth that was going on.
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Caitlyn Clark even said, Hey, I'll try to acquire Brianna
Stewart if you can, you know, bring her on my team.
And if he's Collier's like, I'm not going to trade,
I'm not going to trade her. But still, Briana Stewart
is not on Caitlin Clark's name. The most recent thing
that we saw was at crypto dot com in Los
Angeles when Kelsey Plum of the Los Angeles Sparks went
up to a fan who was wearing a Caitlin Clark
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T shirt and gave her the an LA Sparks T
shirt instead of the Caitlin Clark shirt that the fan
was wearing and said, make sure that that doesn't happen again.
And then, most notably, Angel Reese was not drafted by
Kitlyn Clark, and there is an opportunity for Caitlyn Clark.
I think if she wanted to make good and she
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could have drafted Angel Reese as part of her team,
but that would have soothed things over. But I don't know.
I don't think that Caitlin Clark should do that. I
don't think Kitton Clark has to do that right And
in a way, I'm now wondering because Caitlyn Clark is
on this certain trajectory that I don't believe that Angel
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Reese is not, although NBA two K may tell you otherwise.
But maybe it's even better for now Caitlin Clark to
leave Angel Reese in the dust. But the fact of
the matter is is Caitlin Clark did not pick Angel
Reach last night as part of the NBA Draft or
the All Star Game w NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, for Kitlyn Clark to leave Angel Rees and the dust,
she needs to be healthy and on the court playing basketball.
I mean, obviously the hyperbole of all of this is,
I mean, we know that Caitlin Clark's a better player
all around player, but she's not. She hasn't been on
the court this year, right, and when she's played, she's
been up and down this year. So for me, they
both had their moments. Obviously when you talk about you
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know who's going to.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Be worth moments? Angel Reese had.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, she's had double doubles. She continues to do. That
streak is still one of those things that's alive. I
know she's not the best as far as finishing around
who we all know that I mean, that's everything I
can see it. But what has Kaitlyn Clark doing. She's
shot poorly from the three, She's turned the ball over,
and when she's played, her team hasn't won as much.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
As she should like.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
This team is coming into the year, should be one
of the favorites and they're sitting around five hundred. So
I'm talking about from the overall scope of looking at
both of them right now in this moment. They're both
two time All Stars. Kaitlyn Clark is the more polished player.
There's no question she is the face and can be
the face of the WNBA. She's not the face. Agel
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Wilson's the face, but Kaitlyn Clark is the person that
brings in, brings in the outside casual fans of the game.
So there is still some stuff still to be determined
here as far as the product on the court in my.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Opinion, Okay, so you think that it's the gap is
not as wide between Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
At the present moment, meaning what they put out even
after she's bricking shot after shot and getting her own rebound,
and sure Kaitlyn Clark isn't hitting her shots either I'm
just saying right now, the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And you think Asia Wilson's the face of the WNBA
right now, Yes, she's the best player in the league.
Well that's different than the face of the and I
just said, and I said that before I say Kaitlin
Clark is still the will be the face. Yeah, but
Angel Wilson is the best player. So yeah, I don't
argue with that portion of it. But in terms of
what we recognize with the league, I do think that
it's Caitlin Clark. And I thought Caitlin Clark did a
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really good job last night in trying to make that
broadcast bearable because it's not an easy thing to do.
You have to make it exciting. You have to, you know,
be energetic. And the most energetic point came when I think,
aside from Angel Reese, who hasn't necessarily thrown direct shade
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on Caitlin Clark's game, but just throughout her career as
either taunted or said other things or tried to be
part of the conversation. Cheryl Reeve is the Minnesota Links
head coach, and she was going to be the head
coach of Kaitlyn Clark's team until this happened.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
To be completely honest, I love my team. I think
they're great. I don't have any intentions of really trading
any of them. I don't know if this is in
the rules. I don't really care, but I think we've
already discussed we are going to trade coaches. If he's
going to take her coach, Sandy Brondelo, let's get it
would be amazing. Sorry WNBA if that's not in the rule,
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I'm sorry ESPN if that's not in the rules, but
we just made it a rule now, So Sandy Brondelo,
come on over, get to it. You can coach Sabrina.
So therefore, maybe Stewie wants to come on over to
my team, Well, let me know you want to give
me Stewie no.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So there there was the Brianna Stewart aspect of it,
but let's be real. They didn't swap coaches, so and
if he'sa Collier could be coached by her head coach.
They swapped coaches because Caitlyn Clark didn't want to deal
with Cheryl Reeve, who had a lot of comments to
say about the Olympic team and other points throughout the
WNBA season. Caitlin Clark wanting no part of the Minnesota
Links head coach.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
The crazy part about what we're talking about right now
is it is very interesting, Like I'm really I'm really
enamored with I guess the attention that this is all
bringing in, and I think it's fun for the sport.
I think it's good for the sport as well. I
actually think it's fun that she didn't draft Angel Reese. Yes,
and like keep that bruin. I mean, even if it's
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not a real thing, like we see it that way, right,
so run with it. I think I think a couple
of things have now happened. The tide is turned, and
while not everything is on Caitlin Clark's side, she's in
a much better position now as a second year professional
in the WNBA than in year one. I actually think
now it can benefit Caitlin Clark to have this beef.
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I felt, up until this point recently everybody else who
had hated on Caitlin Clark had tried to do it
to benefit themselves. So then when Sophie Cunningham does the
shove of the Connecticut's son Jace Sheldon, and now Sophie
Cunningham has shirts and jerseys being sold out on fanatics
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and has become a social media star like that was
a tide turner as well. That changed part of the narrative.
If I'm Kitlin Clark, not only am I now trying
to keep this narrative, but she's sticking up for herself.
And not that she didn't do it last year, but
I think it was difficult when there were so many
things coming at her. Now I think she feels empowered
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now she has people on her side and has the
ability to make a move like this, to trade the
All Star coach that had talked ish about her and
put her on the other team. And I'll tell you
what for what Cheryl Reeve has said previously about Kitlyn Clark.
I'm not saying that she needs to kiss the ring,
but you're never going to escape that when you went
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out of your way to try to be negative and
to try to prove a point. And I think now
that the table's turned, I think some people are really
going to regret the stuff that they said about Gitland
Clark because now the power seems to be in Clark's hands.
Oh yeah, I mean, everybody's find finding out that when
Caitlyn Clark plays and she plays.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Well, the league is a better league.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And if she doesn't, and the vitual that comes towards
her isn't warranted, Like you're you're the one that's going
to catch the flag. Now, nobody's actually looking at Caitlyn
Clark and thinking that she's a minus when it comes
to that league, right correct, There's nothing about her that's
a minus when it comes to that league. So the
power that she is in, the power that she possesses
as you know, one of the best players in that
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game and the face of that league, you cannot you
can't take shots at that unwarranted. I mean people will
come after you and you will be you know, put
on this level play and fill with her and actually
have to answer to those remarks.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
And that's not a safe space to be in. Right now,
there's critiques.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Doug Gottlieb on this show is critiqued Caitlin Clark's jump shot. Yeah,
and the said like this needs work. That isn't in
an unnecessary shot. That's basketball analysis, and I think basketball
analysis is fair. But there were a lot of people
who tried to pile on and take their shots and
say what they had to say. Just because they wanted
to be a part of the conversation or they wanted
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their you know, pound of flesh. Right, And now I
think the tables have turned. I don't think that it's
completely on Caitlin Clark's side, but number one, I feel
she's way more empowered than she was a year ago.
And number two, I think she can use all of
this negativity to her advantage.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
For sure, you saw the Carolyn Peck comments about her.
Oh yeah, yeah, so that was another one that was
just recent and right. Obviously, again, if she's playing, she's
not going to set herself up for those type of remarks,
right Like now, when you're not playing and you're not
playing your best when you went out, people feel that
there is some validation there. And that's kind of what
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I'm talking about. At the moment of talking about the
gap between her and you know, Angel or whatever, there
is a gap. We know that. I mean, Clock's a
better player, but at the moment, they're both two time
All Stars and they're both on teams that aren't like
they're underachieved, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I would be remiss if I did not go to
Jason Stewart and Iowa sam Our resident Kitlyn Clark fan club,
coming from two different directions. I do want to start
with you, Jason. Last night, you see Kitlyn Clark give
the stiff arm to Cheryl Reeve and all these other
other players. As a resident Kaitlyn Clark watcher in watching
all of her games, did you feel a tide turning
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last night? Or have you felt this tide turning that
we've been talking about kind of?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
You know, just to back up a little bit, I'm
all about what Caitlyn is doing, whoever is informing her
of her decisions, messaging wise, attitude wise, everything has been
spot on, starting with her turning down that stupid three
on three leek. They needed her much more than she
needed them. She said no thanks, and they're worse off
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for it and they know it too. So starting then,
she's been making great decision after a great decisions. She
really she's kind of allowed everyone else to do her talking,
especially even during the injury. Here, the ratings are doing
the talking, the interest in the league is doing the talking,
and it's loudly telling us that the league just doesn't
move the needle without her. And then last night just
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confirmed that she's just making good decisions I want to
rid my life of the negativity. I want to move
on with the positivity, and I will let everything else
do the talking for me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Makes sense absolutely, But I think she could also do
the talking with these actions. I just I don't think
it was a quint stance. I think it would have
been easy to draft Angel Reese. I think it would
have been the easy thing to do, right and when
when it's it's kind of when you get into a
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fight maybe with a significant other, and you are probably
in the right, but you will apologize to make things
good because it's just it's it's fine. I'm rarely in
the right carry I'm not saying that, Yeah, I'm never
rarely maybe maybe once in a in a blue moon,
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but you do it for the sake of the household
and where you are at. And I think that she
could do that. That actually would be the easy thing
to do. But to not do that and to be like, yeah,
I'm not gonna put up when she's you know, if
I give her a hard follow and she's going to
try to get my face or she continues to talk,
and I think at some point, and I think that
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point is now, is it actually benefits Clark as a
post Angel Reese, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Do you want to go to Iowa?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Ass I echo everything Jason said. I mean, she's when
she can, she's playing basketball and just doing her thing.
Everyone else is speaking on behalf of her, Like if
you have anything that's super popular, there's always going to
be a negative, there's always going to be detractors. I
think that even with it that sound bite we played
a few minutes ago, she made it fun and playful.
But I understand the reasons why she did what she did,
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Like she wasn't entitled to go on the Olympic team,
but it was a massive mistake. Like there's there's there's
been mistakes made on decisions made on her behalf that
she had no control over, and they're in mistakes in hindsight.
But basically I think she's played everything very well. Just
like Jason said, I think if people weren't so defensive
in Chelle Reeve wasn't so defensive in what her comments
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were that ended up seemingly attacking Caitlin Clark. If you
just if you're political and you just say the right things,
it's no harm, no foul. But it felt like people
were on the aggressive when they would make these comments,
and now it's coming back. It's coming back to bite
them one hundred percent. Last year it was all personal. Yeah,
I mean it had nothing to do with anything but that. Like,
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people had their own egregious opinions about it, all right,
and it's it wasn't based off the basketball play. It
was based off their lack of satisfy. Satisfy statis can
anything to work. That is faction, thank you, satisfaction with
themselves when they came at that store. Carrie could not
get no satisfaction, could not ah. He could not find
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him on Exac Carrie twenty five roads. You could find
me at Dan Byer on Fox Iowa Sam and Iowa
Sam ninety nine, and Jason Stewart at Jason Stewart. I'll
also add this because it is part of the conversation.
Today we found out that Angel Reese is going to
be one of the alternate covers on the NBA two
K twenty six video game, becoming the third WNBA star
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to be on an alternate cover. Candice Parker was on one,
Asia Wilson was on one. Where is the outrage from
all of the other WNBA stars that they have not
been on a cover before Angel Reese has you're hearing crickets.
You don't think Brianna Stewart should have been on the
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cover before Angel Reese should? What about the Visa Collier,
the Visa Colia. He's the leading scorre of the WNBA. Yes,
she won or she was in the title game last year.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The links, as.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Someone pointed out, very nice of her to wear her
unrivaled shirt during the w NBA Draft last night, the
league that is kind of in competition that she also
plays in and she's a part of founding. That was interesting.
But there isn't this uproar that Angel Reese is on
the cover of a video game for an alternate cover.
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Imagine what would have happened if Caitlyn Clark was on
that cover.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Is this the Beatles? Is this the Beatles? Imagine? Imagine
all the people. When I looked at it, like you said,
there was no outrays. But I thought of it from
a business perspective, Right, the logical move, obviously, the one
that everybody would expect it to be, is Caitlyn Clark. Right,
there's this underlying beef that's been ruined for since college. Right,
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and so from a business standpoint, putting Angel Reese on
the cover to extend that conversation a little bit further
and ruffle a few more feathers actually brings more eyes
to it. Right now, we're talking about it, right so
I if it was from that perspective, I can understand.
But I also would want to know if they went
to Kaitlin Clark first and she turned it down like
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that would be the things in my mind that I
had the that Kanvy spiked my attention.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Maybe Angel Reese is on the cover missing a shot. No,
I'm kidding, She's driving to the isn't it exercise? Is
missing riving to the basket. It's actually a similar look
than Shay gilgis. Alexander is on his Carmelo. Anthony is
the other alternate cover. He's carry Roads. I'm Dan byer
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In for Doug Gottlieb Today.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
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Speaker 2 (18:43):
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me dance? Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I don't think they want to see me do that
one either, Dan, So I think we're in the same boat.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
In Kansas City, the Chiefs are trying to bounce back
from a season where they lost Super Bowl fifty nine
to the Philadelphia Eagles. One of the big takeaways from
that game was Travis Kelce's performance, or maybe lack thereof.
Chiefs GM Brett Viach said earlier this week, and I'm quoting,
We've seen it over the last few years. There are
periods throughout the season where you're like, this might be it,
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But when the games are the most important, in the
lights are the brightest, he finds it somewhere. The great
ones know how to find it. They know where it's buried,
and they know how to access it, and they can't
access it at that age week in and week out,
but when they need it, they know how to find it.
End quote that from the Chiefs GM saying, Yeah, Travis
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Kelce isn't there every single week, isn't bringing it At
this point when he's going to be thirty six in
this NFL season, you'd expect him to maybe not be
there every week. But you know what was surprising that
I took from this was the lasting image from Super
Bowl fifty nine was Travis kelce not even really trying.
It seemed like the effort wasn't there. And that's what
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so many of us took away when we started to
see the replays a day or two after and maybe
him not going all out, not necessarily hustling. It doesn't
even seem like it's losing a step in that point.
At that point, you're wondering, how in the world can
you not get excited for a Super Bowl with Travis
Kelcey not putting forth the effort. To me, if he's
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not putting forth the effort and it's not their weekend
and week out, I don't know necessarily why Travis Kelcey
is even continuing to play in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, that league, in most sports leagues in general, is
the moniker that screams allowed as is, what have you
done for me lately? That's just the business of sports.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The last and image that you just spoke about with
Travis kelce was that I looked at it more as
humbled versus hunger. Right, as a young guy, you have
something to prove all the time. You're hungry, you want
that next deal. You want to start. You want to
be the best at your position. You want to be
remember it as the best at that position. When you're younger,
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you have this energy about you that that needs to
be feeled like that appetite, That appetite needs to be
you know, bed. And then there comes a point of
your career where you're going to be humbled. Right, there's
a younger tight end that's faster, a younger safety that's faster,
a little bit, he can break a little bit quicker
than you at that age. So you use your skill.
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You have skill still, you've been in the wars. You
know how to get through it. And there's a stage
of that happening. But on the tail end of it,
when you've already been humbled, you've already had hunger. What's
the next thing that's going to drive you to get
back to where you can least be a service player
in that league?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
And that comes that word is pride. Pride.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
This guy is one of the best tight ends in
the history of the league. He has lost a step,
very evident, like you cannot hide.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Numbers show it.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, you can't hide it.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
But now, what's going to be the thing that's going
to drive you to continue to do this if you're
not hungry anymore?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Or what is the thing?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Is it to erase that image that you just spoke about.
Is it a selfish reason? We don't know about, But
that's the question that's going to be answered, because if
it's selfish, I don't think he's he's going to come
into this y and get anything get anything done either.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think there is a selfish reason.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
I'll get to it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And I think you know where I'm going with this,
But I think there is a selfish reason. But I
want to ask you this, as someone who spent eight
years in the NFL, played in an all pro level,
unfortunately never made it to a Super Bowl, Right, can
you fathom someone being ho hum about making it to
a third straight Super Bowl? Because I almost feel, I
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almost feel that that kind of happened with the Chiefs.
I don't know if they were out of gas. I
don't know if they just expected it to happen, considering
they won the previous two Super Bowls in pretty dramatic fashion,
the Eagles two years prior in the forty nine Ers
in overtime the year before that. But do you become complacent.
Do you just expect the Super Bowl? Can you fathom that?
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As an NFL I can't fathom it because I've never been. Yeah,
but when you do something over and over again at
a high level and you continue to see the reward
of it, I think you start to expect it, and
once you get there, like the excitement of it may
not be the same. Again, I can't speak for it.
I haven't been, but just looking at it and being
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involved in it, there could be some complacency there and for.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Him and for that team, it's it's all. It seemed
like for the last five six years, it's been a
ride of passage, and that's they expect to be there.
But when you get there and you play against a
team like the Eagles that's hungry and looking for revenge,
there's no way you should not be excited to do
that and to go to war in that moment.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I think that's what was so tough for us to understand.
It is because three peaks in the NFL, they don't happen, right,
they haven't. But they had an opportunity to make history
when it came to winning three straight Super Bowls, and
here Travis Kelcey is putting forth the effort. Now, a
lot of that had to do with maybe the Philadelphia
Eagles taking the life out of them as quickly as
they did, But still you go back to that pride point.
The selfish point is the point that I've brought up before,
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and I do think it's an issue, and I think
if we dissect, I think it makes a lot more
sense instead of just trying to throw it out there
and making it TMZ or scandalous. I think his relationship
with Taylor Swift is also something where he needs something
in his life and everything that he has gotten in
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his life has been through football, and now you're with
someone who has a completely separate life, and these worlds
kind of blend in. But once you stop playing, and
once you stop playing football for the Kansas City Chiefs,
your life is drastically different. Yes, And I think that
there's probably a fear in that in what happens with
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life after football. And I'll also say this that I
didn't take into consideration until recently. Jason Kelsey has become
a star in his own right in part because of
Travis's success and Travis being the star that he is.
Jason Kelcey was loved in Philadelphia. He was a star
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in Philadelphia. He was not a national star. That did
not happen. But you have the podcast, you have the
New Heights podcast, you have the documentary that they did
a couple of years ago on Jason and that spotlight
becoming bigger. Now you have your brother who is kind
of the opposite of you, who kind of paved this
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way and built himself up. Travis kelce had the dating
TV show when he was in the NFL, even before
he met Taylor Swift, he won the Super Bowls. He
had all of that come to him. So while Jason
Kelcey's life is going upwards and continuing to grow now
outside of football, because he's Jason Kelcey, I think there's
probably a fear for Travis Kelcey of what is my
(25:51):
life after football?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Sure, the identity thing is a real thing, and all
of us have to deal with it, right, some of
us are better off at kind of you know, diving
into Act two. But for the most part, when you're
an athlete and that identity has gone and that's been
your identity since you're a five, probably mm hm, it's
it's a scary it's a scary proposition.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But to your point, and I don't know how much
you acted and how much you did music when you
were in the National Football League, but your career now,
in an addition and doing media that you're doing right now,
your life is probably as full as it was when
you were playing. You're in the studio, you're on set,
you're doing something like that. Yeah, I would think for
Travis Kelce then to have his brother have a career
(26:33):
like this, that's that's on the upward swing. To have
your whether they're engaged, I don't know, girlfriend, fiance, whatever,
future wife, be the biggest pop star there is. Sorry,
I just think that that it's human nature to be like,
what's there for me? So hanging on and coming back
and pointing to the super Bowl and saying I can't
(26:54):
go out like that is completely fair. But I truly
don't know what we're going to get from Travis kelce
this season. I think it's scary for the Chiefs because
I don't think that they've adequately ever planned for Travis
Kelcey to not be there in Kansas City. There's no
era apparent for Patrick Mahomes to throw to. There's no
young tight end to move along. So I'm very, very
curious on how things are gonna work out this season
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for the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I'm curious about not how he's going to play, because
I don't think he can be a possession guy, and
he can be a guy that I could probably make
a direct correlation to Tony Gonzalez.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
When he was in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
He was a shell of himself there, and I remember
covering him my first game as a rookie in Kansas
City when I was with the Jets and seeing who
he was. Then to my last couple of years he's
in Atlanta and I'm like, ooh, that guys. He can't
even pick his feet up. That's what it looks like
with Kelsey. But even with that being said, he could
still be a security blanket for Patrick Mahomes. It's not
(27:51):
like he's a receiver that has to go out and
he is important for them, but he doesn't have to
be the guy that's going for over twelve hundred yards anymore.
Can still be a guy that keeps the tame moving
and so I think he will be an important, smaller
important piece still, But as far as him being the
guy again, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Gone Yeah, it's probably been gone for a little while.
He's carry Roads. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb
today here on Fox Sports Radio. Find Carrie at Carrie
twenty five Roads. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox. Coming up next a couple of uniform releases
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it better? DC or New Orleans will find out next
(28:31):
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Speaker 8 (28:33):
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Speaker 2 (28:40):
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He's carry Rhoads, the All Pro. Jason Stewart's here, as
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a game.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Chris Purfetts is at the news desk and as our
game today. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Chris?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (29:28):
I think this is my first game time, so this
is very exciting. So Sam, what are we playing?
Speaker 8 (29:35):
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Okay, good?
Speaker 9 (29:38):
I had almost thought that we were playing something completely different,
so so never mind that, Let's move on to better.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 9 (29:44):
So we have two NFL teams who unveiled new alternates today.
We got the helmets for the Saints, but the folk
jerseys for the new Washington Commanders alternates, throwing back to
the Super Bowl era. So Carrie and Dan for Better
or Worse? The the Better Worse glow up the New
Orleans Saints helmets or the Washington Commander's alternates.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I think it's difficult to top Washington trying to go
back as much as they can to the old uniform.
So I'm gonna say that those are better. Carrie and
I may disagree on this, So I don't want to
take it in a negative route because I like the
Saint's white helmet. I think it's better than the black
alternate they previously had. But it's just tough to top
(30:26):
what Washington unveiled today because it does look very close
to what they used to wear in their heyday.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I just think about the old school hogs of the
Redskins days back in the late the early nineties, the
early the late eighties, and just seeing how dirty they
were with the jerseys, and it just it, it just
reeks of excellent. So I think that's better. And for
the Saints helmet, it looks good.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't think it's better, though, I think it's for
worse when it comes to the helmet situation. There are
many people who feel that this should be the commander's
normal look. But again goes back to what we talked
about yesterday when we were in for Camino and Rich
on throwbacks. They want the throwbacks to be the better uniform,
to be the one that they least wear, because wise
it would dominate the market.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Right I yeah, and I think just go with whatever
looks best. But so I was thinking about this as
there has been plenty of arguments this is top ten
quarterback season. But let me ask you, guys, because I
was thinking about this and I started putting together a
Mount Rushmore in my head, and I realized we have
so many different formats for these things. Let me ask you,
(31:33):
what do you think is best? A Mount Rushmore of
great athletes, a Holy Trinity, or a top five. I
know you can include more in the top five, but
sometimes less is more too.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I'm gonna throw a curveball at because Mike Harmon and
I have done the Sunday Show for a while and
we used to be on in the mornings and we
would do a metal stand, gold, silver, and bronze. And
the thing that I don't like about the Mount Rushmore
is it feels that everybody's on the same level. Maybe
if your face is the first one is George Washington,
(32:08):
you feel like you're number one, but it just seems
like all four on the same level. So I am
going to go for for Chris's perspective, I'm going to
say a top five because it actually ranks than who
you think are the best. But I just wanted to
bring up the metal stand because it's something that we've
done at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The metal stand would be almost impossible to get I
think people on the same plane. So I would say
the top five is probably the safe better than the
sasing amount rushmore. Iowa Sam, how about a court of supremacy?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Nine?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh, interesting, I like it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Court supremacy the top ten hours. How we got to
do that in the fall.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
We have to do that in the fall. Iowa Sam's
Court of Supremacy.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I like it, all right.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
So Wimbledon's going on right now. This is always a moment,
dear to my heart, because usually mean making Pym's Cup.
So Wimbledon or the US Open. And for dance clarity, yes,
I'm talking the US Open of tennis, not golf.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Absolutely, Carrie, do you have a preference over high I know,
I know where he was going. I'm a fan of
tennis too, not as much, but all right, you're like
Wimbledon and the US Open better.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna say US Open.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It was a chance for me, especially when I was
in New York too, right before it was almost ceremoniously,
right like right before training camp. I would be able
to sit in the box and watch those guys go
to war Pete Tampras and there is controlling days.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
So yeah, I'll take the US Open. There is something
magical about like a lot.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
I know a lot of Wimbledon complaints this year have
been about the curfew, But is with the US Open
that that goes on the wee hours of the night magic?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, it's two forty two in the morning in New
York City and we're about to enter the fifth set. Yeah,
like there is the late night like that's and that's
part of the draw, Like who's playing at night? Yeah,
at the US Open, there is something with it. Arthur
as Stadium, I get it, I get it. But Wimbledon's better.
But it just it just is the grass, the yes,
(34:05):
the history, everything that's with it. Yes, I think Wimbledon's better.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
All right, So video game release and I am I'm
hesitant about this one, but we've got three entries for
better or worse NBA two K, which you guys were
just talking about with Angel Reese, Madden or third entry
into this into this trinity, the new recent college football series.
As we start to get glimpses at college football twenty six, I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Gonna say this, I think Madden's the worst. It feels
like it's the same game always. It doesn't, and I
know that that may be blasphemous to say for how
popular it is, but nothing gets better to me than
the college football game. Now, I don't have a PS five,
so I didn't get the new one last year, but
I had. I had them all up until it stopped
(34:51):
in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But yeah, the college football game to me is better
with Madden being the worst.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Madden being the worst.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Wow. For me, it's definitely add because as as a professional,
right you get to have that moment of you being
on the video game, and so that was always a
big deal. So even if the game was bad, I
got to play with Carry, So it's gotten a cool carry.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
Don't care more about your Madden, your Madden rating or
if you appear in the NFL Top one hundred.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
The Madden rating for sure, like you, I would, I
would send complaints. Will I play quarterback in college? My
quarterback powers are ten? Come on, man, boost it up
to thirty.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Watch the tight end just blow past carry roads as
his speed is at fifty eight. For racing. Game time,
that is game time.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
To Find Chris on X Chris Burffett. He is Carrie Rhodes,
the eight year NFL VET and former All Pro. I'm
Dan Beyer in for Doug Gottlieb Today. A bit of
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
App past call A Happy Wednesday and the WNBA. I
never thought I would say this, the gift that keeps
on giving. Carry ro one d in a time where
baseball is about to cruise into an All Star break,
NBA free agency is really slowed down, and we're still
a few weeks away from the NFL training camps. It's
the WNBA that pumps the blood of sports fans, maybe
(00:39):
just more of the drama that's going on in the WNBA.
We are about to dive in carry up at Carrie
twenty five Roads. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox Chiefs GM. Brett Viach had something very interesting
to say about one of his star players. We'll dive
into that in about twenty minutes or so. Plus it's
a Wednesday, so you know it's time for the Midway.
Jason Stewart is here as his eye with Sam Chris
(01:00):
Burffett will give us all the breaking news we need,
plus the updates throughout the day. But the latest update
that we have on the WNBA is the All Star
Game is coming up, and last night they had a
draft of the All Star players, with Nafisa Kllier being
one of the captains of one of the All Star
teams and Indiana Fever guard Caitlin Clark being the captain
(01:22):
of the other team. And we've seen this draft process
go on before Kerry where in the NBA, Giannis and
Lebron have drafted and h it was nice for a while,
but then it got a little bit old. There's more
drama on who is the first pick and who's the
last picked in the middle that kind of kind of
settles out. But I thought that last night's WNBA draft
(01:45):
draft All Star Game draft provided some interesting, let's just
call them drama threads throughout that for some reason, keep
this league just pumping and pumping with attention and excitement.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, you'll have to break down all the little details
of what happened in that draft. I do know that,
you know, I guess the fallout. The immediate fallout was
everybody who had beef or had some type of tiff
with the great Kaitlyn Clark was not on her team.
I saw that, and there's more to that story. I
want you to break it down a little bit more
(02:22):
for me, Dan, but that was my immediate thing, nobody
that she had beef with on her time.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think it's I think it's an opportunity for Kaitlyn
Clark to now stand up for herself, and I feel
that she's doing it in a way that isn't in
your face and telling everybody about it. But I found
it very interesting. Now, Brianna Stewart's initially had comments when
Clark was coming into the NBA because there was a
(02:47):
lot of question on was Kaitlyn Clark the greatest college
basketball player that we've ever seen? Yeah, And there was
a lot of people who were saying, well, Brianna Stewart
is look at what she did at yukon all of
her accolades, Clark never won a national champion hip. So
Brianna Stewart was kind of thrown into the mix. I
think that Caitlyn Clark and Brianna Stewart have a good relationship. Yes,
And even throughout this back and forth that was going on.
(03:10):
Caitlyn Clark even said, Hey, I'll try to acquire Brianna
Stewart if you can, you know, bring her on my team.
And if he's Collier's like, I'm not going to trade,
I'm not going to trade her. But still, Briana Stewart
is not on Caitlin Clark's name. The most recent thing
that we saw was at crypto dot com in Los
Angeles when Kelsey Plum of the Los Angeles Sparks went
up to a fan who was wearing a Caitlin Clark
(03:32):
T shirt and gave her the an LA Sparks T
shirt instead of the Caitlin Clark shirt that the fan
was wearing and said, make sure that that doesn't happen again.
And then, most notably, Angel Reese was not drafted by
Kitlyn Clark, and there is an opportunity for Caitlyn Clark.
I think if she wanted to make good and she
(03:56):
could have drafted Angel Reese as part of her team,
but that would have soothed things over. But I don't know.
I don't think that Caitlin Clark should do that. I
don't think Kitton Clark has to do that right And
in a way, I'm now wondering because Caitlyn Clark is
on this certain trajectory that I don't believe that Angel
(04:16):
Reese is not, although NBA two K may tell you otherwise.
But maybe it's even better for now Caitlin Clark to
leave Angel Reese in the dust. But the fact of
the matter is is Caitlin Clark did not pick Angel
Reach last night as part of the NBA Draft or
the All Star Game w NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Well, for Kitlyn Clark to leave Angel Rees and the dust,
she needs to be healthy and on the court playing basketball.
I mean, obviously the hyperbole of all of this is,
I mean, we know that Caitlin Clark's a better player
all around player, but she's not. She hasn't been on
the court this year, right, and when she's played, she's
been up and down this year. So for me, they
both had their moments. Obviously when you talk about you
(04:54):
know who's going to.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Be worth moments? Angel Reese had.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, she's had double doubles. She continues to do. That
streak is still one of those things that's alive. I
know she's not the best as far as finishing around
who we all know that I mean, that's everything I
can see it. But what has Kaitlyn Clark doing. She's
shot poorly from the three, She's turned the ball over,
and when she's played, her team hasn't won as much.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
As she should like.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
This team is coming into the year, should be one
of the favorites and they're sitting around five hundred. So
I'm talking about from the overall scope of looking at
both of them right now in this moment. They're both
two time All Stars. Kaitlyn Clark is the more polished player.
There's no question she is the face and can be
the face of the WNBA. She's not the face. Agel
(05:37):
Wilson's the face, but Kaitlyn Clark is the person that
brings in, brings in the outside casual fans of the game.
So there is still some stuff still to be determined
here as far as the product on the court in my.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Opinion, Okay, so you think that it's the gap is
not as wide between Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reese.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
At the present moment, meaning what they put out even
after she's bricking shot after shot and getting her own rebound,
and sure Kaitlyn Clark isn't hitting her shots either I'm
just saying right now, the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And you think Asia Wilson's the face of the WNBA
right now, Yes, she's the best player in the league.
Well that's different than the face of the and I
just said, and I said that before I say Kaitlin
Clark is still the will be the face. Yeah, but
Angel Wilson is the best player. So yeah, I don't
argue with that portion of it. But in terms of
what we recognize with the league, I do think that
it's Caitlin Clark. And I thought Caitlin Clark did a
(06:31):
really good job last night in trying to make that
broadcast bearable because it's not an easy thing to do.
You have to make it exciting. You have to, you know,
be energetic. And the most energetic point came when I think,
aside from Angel Reese, who hasn't necessarily thrown direct shade
(06:53):
on Caitlin Clark's game, but just throughout her career as
either taunted or said other things or tried to be
part of the conversation. Cheryl Reeve is the Minnesota Links
head coach, and she was going to be the head
coach of Kaitlyn Clark's team until this happened.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
To be completely honest, I love my team. I think
they're great. I don't have any intentions of really trading
any of them. I don't know if this is in
the rules. I don't really care, but I think we've
already discussed we are going to trade coaches. If he's
going to take her coach, Sandy Brondelo, let's get it
would be amazing. Sorry WNBA if that's not in the rule,
(07:29):
I'm sorry ESPN if that's not in the rules, but
we just made it a rule now, So Sandy Brondelo,
come on over, get to it. You can coach Sabrina.
So therefore, maybe Stewie wants to come on over to
my team, Well, let me know you want to give
me Stewie no.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
So there there was the Brianna Stewart aspect of it,
but let's be real. They didn't swap coaches, so and
if he'sa Collier could be coached by her head coach.
They swapped coaches because Caitlyn Clark didn't want to deal
with Cheryl Reeve, who had a lot of comments to
say about the Olympic team and other points throughout the
WNBA season. Caitlin Clark wanting no part of the Minnesota
Links head coach.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
The crazy part about what we're talking about right now
is it is very interesting, Like I'm really I'm really
enamored with I guess the attention that this is all
bringing in, and I think it's fun for the sport.
I think it's good for the sport as well. I
actually think it's fun that she didn't draft Angel Reese. Yes,
and like keep that bruin. I mean, even if it's
(08:24):
not a real thing, like we see it that way, right,
so run with it. I think I think a couple
of things have now happened. The tide is turned, and
while not everything is on Caitlin Clark's side, she's in
a much better position now as a second year professional
in the WNBA than in year one. I actually think
now it can benefit Caitlin Clark to have this beef.
(08:47):
I felt, up until this point recently everybody else who
had hated on Caitlin Clark had tried to do it
to benefit themselves. So then when Sophie Cunningham does the
shove of the Connecticut's son Jace Sheldon, and now Sophie
Cunningham has shirts and jerseys being sold out on fanatics
(09:10):
and has become a social media star like that was
a tide turner as well. That changed part of the narrative.
If I'm Kitlin Clark, not only am I now trying
to keep this narrative, but she's sticking up for herself.
And not that she didn't do it last year, but
I think it was difficult when there were so many
things coming at her. Now I think she feels empowered
(09:32):
now she has people on her side and has the
ability to make a move like this, to trade the
All Star coach that had talked ish about her and
put her on the other team. And I'll tell you
what for what Cheryl Reeve has said previously about Kitlyn Clark.
I'm not saying that she needs to kiss the ring,
but you're never going to escape that when you went
(09:55):
out of your way to try to be negative and
to try to prove a point. And I think now
that the table's turned, I think some people are really
going to regret the stuff that they said about Gitland
Clark because now the power seems to be in Clark's hands.
Oh yeah, I mean, everybody's find finding out that when
Caitlyn Clark plays and she plays.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Well, the league is a better league.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And if she doesn't, and the vitual that comes towards
her isn't warranted, Like you're you're the one that's going
to catch the flag. Now, nobody's actually looking at Caitlyn
Clark and thinking that she's a minus when it comes
to that league, right correct, There's nothing about her that's
a minus when it comes to that league. So the
power that she is in, the power that she possesses
as you know, one of the best players in that
(10:38):
game and the face of that league, you cannot you
can't take shots at that unwarranted. I mean people will
come after you and you will be you know, put
on this level play and fill with her and actually
have to answer to those remarks.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
And that's not a safe space to be in. Right now,
there's critiques.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Doug Gottlieb on this show is critiqued Caitlin Clark's jump shot. Yeah,
and the said like this needs work. That isn't in
an unnecessary shot. That's basketball analysis, and I think basketball
analysis is fair. But there were a lot of people
who tried to pile on and take their shots and
say what they had to say. Just because they wanted
to be a part of the conversation or they wanted
(11:16):
their you know, pound of flesh. Right, And now I
think the tables have turned. I don't think that it's
completely on Caitlin Clark's side, but number one, I feel
she's way more empowered than she was a year ago.
And number two, I think she can use all of
this negativity to her advantage.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
For sure, you saw the Carolyn Peck comments about her.
Oh yeah, yeah, so that was another one that was
just recent and right. Obviously, again, if she's playing, she's
not going to set herself up for those type of remarks,
right Like now, when you're not playing and you're not
playing your best when you went out, people feel that
there is some validation there. And that's kind of what
(11:53):
I'm talking about. At the moment of talking about the
gap between her and you know, Angel or whatever, there
is a gap. We know that. I mean, Clock's a
better player, but at the moment, they're both two time
All Stars and they're both on teams that aren't like
they're underachieved, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I would be remiss if I did not go to
Jason Stewart and Iowa sam Our resident Kitlyn Clark fan club,
coming from two different directions. I do want to start
with you, Jason. Last night, you see Kitlyn Clark give
the stiff arm to Cheryl Reeve and all these other
other players. As a resident Kaitlyn Clark watcher in watching
all of her games, did you feel a tide turning
(12:32):
last night? Or have you felt this tide turning that
we've been talking about kind of?
Speaker 6 (12:36):
You know, just to back up a little bit, I'm
all about what Caitlyn is doing, whoever is informing her
of her decisions, messaging wise, attitude wise, everything has been
spot on, starting with her turning down that stupid three
on three leek. They needed her much more than she
needed them. She said no thanks, and they're worse off
(12:57):
for it and they know it too. So starting then,
she's been making great decision after a great decisions. She
really she's kind of allowed everyone else to do her talking,
especially even during the injury. Here, the ratings are doing
the talking, the interest in the league is doing the talking,
and it's loudly telling us that the league just doesn't
move the needle without her. And then last night just
(13:20):
confirmed that she's just making good decisions I want to
rid my life of the negativity. I want to move
on with the positivity, and I will let everything else
do the talking for me.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Makes sense absolutely, But I think she could also do
the talking with these actions. I just I don't think
it was a quint stance. I think it would have
been easy to draft Angel Reese. I think it would
have been the easy thing to do, right and when
when it's it's kind of when you get into a
(13:53):
fight maybe with a significant other, and you are probably
in the right, but you will apologize to make things
good because it's just it's it's fine. I'm rarely in
the right carry I'm not saying that, Yeah, I'm never
rarely maybe maybe once in a in a blue moon,
(14:14):
but you do it for the sake of the household
and where you are at. And I think that she
could do that. That actually would be the easy thing
to do. But to not do that and to be like, yeah,
I'm not gonna put up when she's you know, if
I give her a hard follow and she's going to
try to get my face or she continues to talk,
and I think at some point, and I think that
(14:34):
point is now, is it actually benefits Clark as a
post Angel Reese, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Do you want to go to Iowa?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Ass I echo everything Jason said. I mean, she's when
she can, she's playing basketball and just doing her thing.
Everyone else is speaking on behalf of her, Like if
you have anything that's super popular, there's always going to
be a negative, there's always going to be detractors. I
think that even with it that sound bite we played
a few minutes ago, she made it fun and playful.
But I understand the reasons why she did what she did,
(15:00):
Like she wasn't entitled to go on the Olympic team,
but it was a massive mistake. Like there's there's there's
been mistakes made on decisions made on her behalf that
she had no control over, and they're in mistakes in hindsight.
But basically I think she's played everything very well. Just
like Jason said, I think if people weren't so defensive
in Chelle Reeve wasn't so defensive in what her comments
(15:23):
were that ended up seemingly attacking Caitlin Clark. If you
just if you're political and you just say the right things,
it's no harm, no foul. But it felt like people
were on the aggressive when they would make these comments,
and now it's coming back. It's coming back to bite
them one hundred percent. Last year it was all personal. Yeah,
I mean it had nothing to do with anything but that. Like,
(15:45):
people had their own egregious opinions about it, all right,
and it's it wasn't based off the basketball play. It
was based off their lack of satisfy. Satisfy statis can
anything to work. That is faction, thank you, satisfaction with
themselves when they came at that store. Carrie could not
get no satisfaction, could not ah. He could not find
(16:07):
him on Exac Carrie twenty five roads. You could find
me at Dan Byer on Fox Iowa Sam and Iowa
Sam ninety nine, and Jason Stewart at Jason Stewart. I'll
also add this because it is part of the conversation.
Today we found out that Angel Reese is going to
be one of the alternate covers on the NBA two
K twenty six video game, becoming the third WNBA star
(16:27):
to be on an alternate cover. Candice Parker was on one,
Asia Wilson was on one. Where is the outrage from
all of the other WNBA stars that they have not
been on a cover before Angel Reese has you're hearing crickets.
You don't think Brianna Stewart should have been on the
(16:48):
cover before Angel Reese should? What about the Visa Collier,
the Visa Colia. He's the leading scorre of the WNBA. Yes,
she won or she was in the title game last year.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
The links, as.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Someone pointed out, very nice of her to wear her
unrivaled shirt during the w NBA Draft last night, the
league that is kind of in competition that she also
plays in and she's a part of founding. That was interesting.
But there isn't this uproar that Angel Reese is on
the cover of a video game for an alternate cover.
(17:18):
Imagine what would have happened if Caitlyn Clark was on
that cover.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Is this the Beatles? Is this the Beatles? Imagine? Imagine
all the people. When I looked at it, like you said,
there was no outrays. But I thought of it from
a business perspective, Right, the logical move, obviously, the one
that everybody would expect it to be, is Caitlyn Clark. Right,
there's this underlying beef that's been ruined for since college. Right,
(17:44):
and so from a business standpoint, putting Angel Reese on
the cover to extend that conversation a little bit further
and ruffle a few more feathers actually brings more eyes
to it. Right now, we're talking about it, right so
I if it was from that perspective, I can understand.
But I also would want to know if they went
to Kaitlin Clark first and she turned it down like
(18:06):
that would be the things in my mind that I
had the that Kanvy spiked my attention.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Maybe Angel Reese is on the cover missing a shot. No,
I'm kidding, She's driving to the isn't it exercise? Is
missing riving to the basket. It's actually a similar look
than Shay gilgis. Alexander is on his Carmelo. Anthony is
the other alternate cover. He's carry Roads. I'm Dan byer
(18:31):
In for Doug Gottlieb Today.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
He's Carrier Roads. I'm Dan byer In for Doug Gottlieb
here on Fox Sports. Ready, you don't want to see
me dance? Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I don't think they want to see me do that
one either, Dan, So I think we're in the same boat.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
In Kansas City, the Chiefs are trying to bounce back
from a season where they lost Super Bowl fifty nine
to the Philadelphia Eagles. One of the big takeaways from
that game was Travis Kelce's performance, or maybe lack thereof.
Chiefs GM Brett Viach said earlier this week, and I'm quoting,
We've seen it over the last few years. There are
periods throughout the season where you're like, this might be it,
(19:14):
But when the games are the most important, in the
lights are the brightest, he finds it somewhere. The great
ones know how to find it. They know where it's buried,
and they know how to access it, and they can't
access it at that age week in and week out,
but when they need it, they know how to find it.
End quote that from the Chiefs GM saying, Yeah, Travis
(19:35):
Kelce isn't there every single week, isn't bringing it At
this point when he's going to be thirty six in
this NFL season, you'd expect him to maybe not be
there every week. But you know what was surprising that
I took from this was the lasting image from Super
Bowl fifty nine was Travis kelce not even really trying.
It seemed like the effort wasn't there. And that's what
(19:58):
so many of us took away when we started to
see the replays a day or two after and maybe
him not going all out, not necessarily hustling. It doesn't
even seem like it's losing a step in that point.
At that point, you're wondering, how in the world can
you not get excited for a Super Bowl with Travis
Kelcey not putting forth the effort. To me, if he's
(20:20):
not putting forth the effort and it's not their weekend
and week out, I don't know necessarily why Travis Kelcey
is even continuing to play in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, that league, in most sports leagues in general, is
the moniker that screams allowed as is, what have you
done for me lately? That's just the business of sports.
Speaker 8 (20:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
The last and image that you just spoke about with
Travis kelce was that I looked at it more as
humbled versus hunger. Right, as a young guy, you have
something to prove all the time. You're hungry, you want
that next deal. You want to start. You want to
be the best at your position. You want to be
remember it as the best at that position. When you're younger,
(21:03):
you have this energy about you that that needs to
be feeled like that appetite, That appetite needs to be
you know, bed. And then there comes a point of
your career where you're going to be humbled. Right, there's
a younger tight end that's faster, a younger safety that's faster,
a little bit, he can break a little bit quicker
than you at that age. So you use your skill.
(21:24):
You have skill still, you've been in the wars. You
know how to get through it. And there's a stage
of that happening. But on the tail end of it,
when you've already been humbled, you've already had hunger. What's
the next thing that's going to drive you to get
back to where you can least be a service player
in that league?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
And that comes that word is pride. Pride.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
This guy is one of the best tight ends in
the history of the league. He has lost a step,
very evident, like you cannot hide.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Numbers show it.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, you can't hide it.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
But now, what's going to be the thing that's going
to drive you to continue to do this if you're
not hungry anymore?
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Or what is the thing?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Is it to erase that image that you just spoke about.
Is it a selfish reason? We don't know about, But
that's the question that's going to be answered, because if
it's selfish, I don't think he's he's going to come
into this y and get anything get anything done either.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I think there is a selfish reason.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
I'll get to it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
And I think you know where I'm going with this,
But I think there is a selfish reason. But I
want to ask you this, as someone who spent eight
years in the NFL, played in an all pro level,
unfortunately never made it to a Super Bowl, Right, can
you fathom someone being ho hum about making it to
a third straight Super Bowl? Because I almost feel, I
(22:39):
almost feel that that kind of happened with the Chiefs.
I don't know if they were out of gas. I
don't know if they just expected it to happen, considering
they won the previous two Super Bowls in pretty dramatic fashion,
the Eagles two years prior in the forty nine Ers
in overtime the year before that. But do you become complacent.
Do you just expect the Super Bowl? Can you fathom that?
(22:59):
As an NFL I can't fathom it because I've never been. Yeah,
but when you do something over and over again at
a high level and you continue to see the reward
of it, I think you start to expect it, and
once you get there, like the excitement of it may
not be the same. Again, I can't speak for it.
I haven't been, but just looking at it and being
(23:21):
involved in it, there could be some complacency there and for.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Him and for that team, it's it's all. It seemed
like for the last five six years, it's been a
ride of passage, and that's they expect to be there.
But when you get there and you play against a
team like the Eagles that's hungry and looking for revenge,
there's no way you should not be excited to do
that and to go to war in that moment.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I think that's what was so tough for us to understand.
It is because three peaks in the NFL, they don't happen, right,
they haven't. But they had an opportunity to make history
when it came to winning three straight Super Bowls, and
here Travis Kelcey is putting forth the effort. Now, a
lot of that had to do with maybe the Philadelphia
Eagles taking the life out of them as quickly as
they did, But still you go back to that pride point.
The selfish point is the point that I've brought up before,
(24:06):
and I do think it's an issue, and I think
if we dissect, I think it makes a lot more
sense instead of just trying to throw it out there
and making it TMZ or scandalous. I think his relationship
with Taylor Swift is also something where he needs something
in his life and everything that he has gotten in
(24:27):
his life has been through football, and now you're with
someone who has a completely separate life, and these worlds
kind of blend in. But once you stop playing, and
once you stop playing football for the Kansas City Chiefs,
your life is drastically different. Yes, And I think that
there's probably a fear in that in what happens with
(24:47):
life after football. And I'll also say this that I
didn't take into consideration until recently. Jason Kelsey has become
a star in his own right in part because of
Travis's success and Travis being the star that he is.
Jason Kelcey was loved in Philadelphia. He was a star
(25:10):
in Philadelphia. He was not a national star. That did
not happen. But you have the podcast, you have the
New Heights podcast, you have the documentary that they did
a couple of years ago on Jason and that spotlight
becoming bigger. Now you have your brother who is kind
of the opposite of you, who kind of paved this
(25:31):
way and built himself up. Travis kelce had the dating
TV show when he was in the NFL, even before
he met Taylor Swift, he won the Super Bowls. He
had all of that come to him. So while Jason
Kelcey's life is going upwards and continuing to grow now
outside of football, because he's Jason Kelcey, I think there's
probably a fear for Travis Kelcey of what is my
(25:51):
life after football?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Sure, the identity thing is a real thing, and all
of us have to deal with it, right, some of
us are better off at kind of you know, diving
into Act two. But for the most part, when you're
an athlete and that identity has gone and that's been
your identity since you're a five, probably mm hm, it's
it's a scary it's a scary proposition.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
But to your point, and I don't know how much
you acted and how much you did music when you
were in the National Football League, but your career now,
in an addition and doing media that you're doing right now,
your life is probably as full as it was when
you were playing. You're in the studio, you're on set,
you're doing something like that. Yeah, I would think for
Travis Kelce then to have his brother have a career
(26:33):
like this, that's that's on the upward swing. To have
your whether they're engaged, I don't know, girlfriend, fiance, whatever,
future wife, be the biggest pop star there is. Sorry,
I just think that that it's human nature to be like,
what's there for me? So hanging on and coming back
and pointing to the super Bowl and saying I can't
(26:54):
go out like that is completely fair. But I truly
don't know what we're going to get from Travis kelce
this season. I think it's scary for the Chiefs because
I don't think that they've adequately ever planned for Travis
Kelcey to not be there in Kansas City. There's no
era apparent for Patrick Mahomes to throw to. There's no
young tight end to move along. So I'm very, very
curious on how things are gonna work out this season
(27:15):
for the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
I'm curious about not how he's going to play, because
I don't think he can be a possession guy, and
he can be a guy that I could probably make
a direct correlation to Tony Gonzalez.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
When he was in Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
He was a shell of himself there, and I remember
covering him my first game as a rookie in Kansas
City when I was with the Jets and seeing who
he was. Then to my last couple of years he's
in Atlanta and I'm like, ooh, that guys. He can't
even pick his feet up. That's what it looks like
with Kelsey. But even with that being said, he could
still be a security blanket for Patrick Mahomes. It's not
(27:51):
like he's a receiver that has to go out and
he is important for them, but he doesn't have to
be the guy that's going for over twelve hundred yards anymore.
Can still be a guy that keeps the tame moving
and so I think he will be an important, smaller
important piece still, But as far as him being the
guy again, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Gone Yeah, it's probably been gone for a little while.
He's carry Roads. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb
today here on Fox Sports Radio. Find Carrie at Carrie
twenty five Roads. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox. Coming up next a couple of uniform releases
for the upcoming NFL season. We're released. Yeah, who did
it better? DC or New Orleans will find out next
(28:31):
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer.
He's carry Rhoads, the All Pro. Jason Stewart's here, as
is Iowa Sam so as Chris Purfedill bring us a
game in a sec. But first I want to tell
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(29:01):
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a game.
Speaker 8 (29:18):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Chris Purfetts is at the news desk and as our
game today. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (29:28):
Chris?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Hi?
Speaker 9 (29:28):
I think this is my first game time, so this
is very exciting. So Sam, what are we playing?
Speaker 8 (29:35):
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Okay, good?
Speaker 9 (29:38):
I had almost thought that we were playing something completely different,
so so never mind that, Let's move on to better.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 9 (29:44):
So we have two NFL teams who unveiled new alternates today.
We got the helmets for the Saints, but the folk
jerseys for the new Washington Commanders alternates, throwing back to
the Super Bowl era. So Carrie and Dan for Better
or Worse? The the Better Worse glow up the New
Orleans Saints helmets or the Washington Commander's alternates.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I think it's difficult to top Washington trying to go
back as much as they can to the old uniform.
So I'm gonna say that those are better. Carrie and
I may disagree on this, So I don't want to
take it in a negative route because I like the
Saint's white helmet. I think it's better than the black
alternate they previously had. But it's just tough to top
(30:26):
what Washington unveiled today because it does look very close
to what they used to wear in their heyday.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I just think about the old school hogs of the
Redskins days back in the late the early nineties, the
early the late eighties, and just seeing how dirty they
were with the jerseys, and it just it, it just
reeks of excellent. So I think that's better. And for
the Saints helmet, it looks good.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't think it's better, though, I think it's for
worse when it comes to the helmet situation. There are
many people who feel that this should be the commander's
normal look. But again goes back to what we talked
about yesterday when we were in for Camino and Rich
on throwbacks. They want the throwbacks to be the better uniform,
to be the one that they least wear, because wise
it would dominate the market.
Speaker 9 (31:13):
Right I yeah, and I think just go with whatever
looks best. But so I was thinking about this as
there has been plenty of arguments this is top ten
quarterback season. But let me ask you, guys, because I
was thinking about this and I started putting together a
Mount Rushmore in my head, and I realized we have
so many different formats for these things. Let me ask you,
(31:33):
what do you think is best? A Mount Rushmore of
great athletes, a Holy Trinity, or a top five. I
know you can include more in the top five, but
sometimes less is more too.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I'm gonna throw a curveball at because Mike Harmon and
I have done the Sunday Show for a while and
we used to be on in the mornings and we
would do a metal stand, gold, silver, and bronze. And
the thing that I don't like about the Mount Rushmore
is it feels that everybody's on the same level. Maybe
if your face is the first one is George Washington,
(32:08):
you feel like you're number one, but it just seems
like all four on the same level. So I am
going to go for for Chris's perspective, I'm going to
say a top five because it actually ranks than who
you think are the best. But I just wanted to
bring up the metal stand because it's something that we've
done at Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
The metal stand would be almost impossible to get I
think people on the same plane. So I would say
the top five is probably the safe better than the
sasing amount rushmore. Iowa Sam, how about a court of supremacy?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Nine?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh, interesting, I like it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Court supremacy the top ten hours. How we got to
do that in the fall.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
We have to do that in the fall. Iowa Sam's
Court of Supremacy.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
I like it, all right.
Speaker 9 (32:55):
So Wimbledon's going on right now. This is always a moment,
dear to my heart, because usually mean making Pym's Cup.
So Wimbledon or the US Open. And for dance clarity, yes,
I'm talking the US Open of tennis, not golf.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Absolutely, Carrie, do you have a preference over high I know,
I know where he was going. I'm a fan of
tennis too, not as much, but all right, you're like
Wimbledon and the US Open better.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Yeah, I'm gonna say US Open.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It was a chance for me, especially when I was
in New York too, right before it was almost ceremoniously,
right like right before training camp. I would be able
to sit in the box and watch those guys go
to war Pete Tampras and there is controlling days.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
So yeah, I'll take the US Open. There is something
magical about like a lot.
Speaker 9 (33:35):
I know a lot of Wimbledon complaints this year have
been about the curfew, But is with the US Open
that that goes on the wee hours of the night magic?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, it's two forty two in the morning in New
York City and we're about to enter the fifth set. Yeah,
like there is the late night like that's and that's
part of the draw, Like who's playing at night? Yeah,
at the US Open, there is something with it. Arthur
as Stadium, I get it, I get it. But Wimbledon's better.
But it just it just is the grass, the yes,
(34:05):
the history, everything that's with it. Yes, I think Wimbledon's better.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
All right, So video game release and I am I'm
hesitant about this one, but we've got three entries for
better or worse NBA two K, which you guys were
just talking about with Angel Reese, Madden or third entry
into this into this trinity, the new recent college football series.
As we start to get glimpses at college football twenty six, I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Gonna say this, I think Madden's the worst. It feels
like it's the same game always. It doesn't, and I
know that that may be blasphemous to say for how
popular it is, but nothing gets better to me than
the college football game. Now, I don't have a PS five,
so I didn't get the new one last year, but
I had. I had them all up until it stopped
(34:51):
in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But yeah, the college football game to me is better
with Madden being the worst.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Madden being the worst.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Wow. For me, it's definitely add because as as a professional,
right you get to have that moment of you being
on the video game, and so that was always a
big deal. So even if the game was bad, I
got to play with Carry, So it's gotten a cool carry.
Speaker 9 (35:11):
Don't care more about your Madden, your Madden rating or
if you appear in the NFL Top one hundred.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
The Madden rating for sure, like you, I would, I
would send complaints. Will I play quarterback in college? My
quarterback powers are ten? Come on, man, boost it up
to thirty.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Watch the tight end just blow past carry roads as
his speed is at fifty eight. For racing. Game time,
that is game time.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
To Find Chris on X Chris Burffett. He is Carrie Rhodes,
the eight year NFL VET and former All Pro. I'm
Dan Beyer in for Doug Gottlieb Today. A bit of
history last night in Major League Baseball. We talked about
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