November 20, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug is not buying the notion that the Cowboys will draft Shedeur Sanders after hiring Coach Prime to be their head coach, and he explains why. Doug welcomes former pro-bowl defensive back and current NFL Analyst Donte Whitner onto the show to talk about Coach Prime, the 49ers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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I got some thoughts for you on the whining and
the manipulating of the media as Indiana gains ready to
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take on the Big ten. I give that to you
coming up. But I do want to start with the
story of the day. I know you guys want to
start with the fact that my Green Bay Phoenix got
our first home win last night. But I think the
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Dion Sanders story is the story of the day because
it's really really interesting, really interesting. All coaches are tied
to their quarterback. Okay, all coaches are tied to their quarterback.
And this idea which Michael Irvin has spread, Colin Cowherd
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now has echoed others have talked about, which is the
Dallas Cowboys are very likely to make a coaching change
or so we're total though Jerry Jones says like he's
still on board with Mike McCarthy and in reality, like
Mike McCarthy up until this year has been outstanding as
the Cowboys head coach. But as I told you yesterday,
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you just signed Dak Prescott to a new contract which
goes live next year. You're on the hook for roughly
are in thirty million dollars guaranteed over the next three years.
Do I think you could trade him with a no
trade clause? Maybe? Maybe, But we're told Dak Prescott is
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the culture center for the Cowboys and instead it would
be Dion Now his son's not the number one overall prospect.
He may be the first quarterback taken. This isn't a
strong quarterback class. But that's not even what holds you back.
Forget that Dion has said he doesn't want to be
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an NFL head coach. I mean again, I'm in the profession.
I know most people in the profession don't say what
they really think because what's the win in it? You
still run into the issue of Dion being about Dion,
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and in the NFL it has to be about the players,
not about the head coach. But having a head coach
whose son is the quarterback, and if we're honest, even
the way in which he's handled him in college, I
don't believe anybody thinks that would actually work. Now I'm
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not saying never, it won't happen because Jerry Jones is
just like the just like the uh, you know, Mike
Tyson syndrome. Right, There's nothing about a story about Mike
Tyson you wouldn't believe to be true. There's nothing that
you wouldn't think Jerry Jones would do to try and
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win a Super Bowl. But the idea that Jerry Jones would,
who wants to win Super Bowl before he dies, go
and change quarterbacks when he's been all in on Dak
Prescott seems hard to believe. Additionally, it's a rookie, seems
hard to believe he's not the number one prospect. It
would seem like a bit of a reach. Then to
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hire the first coach whose son is the quarterback seems
hard to believe, but it is Jerry, so the Tyson
zone not Tyson zero. The Tyson zone does take into
effect with Jerry Jones zone. Is there's no thing that
you would think Jerry Jones would do to win a
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Super Bowl that he won't try, and for us in
the media, it'd be great. But do people understand how
hard it is to recruit to daddy ball, coach daddy ball,
play daddy ball at the college level, let alone in
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the NFL, Because if we're honest with ourselves, Dion hasn't
been great at criticism towards his son, and the most
of the criticism towards the Sun since he's risen to
the FBS level has been towards the showman, the watch thing,
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the trash talking, all that other stuff, Like I just
in terms of percentage of chances that it would be
an abject disaster, as well as the idea that I
don't understand how anybody thinks that would it would work
to just give away Dak Prescott for pennies on the
dollar and somebody's going to absorb a massive, massive cap
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hit for a good, not great quarterback, But the whole
sale to Dak Prescott is he's a cowboy, he's our leader.
So what are we going to do? He can't have
draft schaedor have Dianna as the head coach and have
Dak as your quarterback. That doesn't work. Trading him when
that's when the money actually hits the salary cap, that
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doesn't really work. And even if it did, he gets
to dictate terms on where he goes and that drives
down his overall value. And then even if you did
pull it off, wait, wait, if you did pull it off,
you're gonna have Dion Sanders coach his son in the NFL.
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Good luck, here's coach prime. When asked about the speculation
he'd be a candidate to be a head coach in
the NFL next season.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I'm a happy where I am, man, I'm good. I
got a kickstand down. You know what a kickstand is
a lot of people don't in there and not of age,
you don't know what a kickstand is. I mean, I'm resting,
I'm good, I'm happy, I'm excited. I'm enthusiastic about where
I am. I love it here, I truly do.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Next question, Yeah, that's an un answer answer, which is okay, well,
there's no win in saying I coached the NFL. I wouldn't.
Maybe Jacksonville, I don't know. The problem is they have
Trevor Lawrence under contract, and Trevor Lawrence was a higher
rated prospect has NFL has playoff experience. Same thing with
Dak Prescott. Like I just those don't seem to be
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teams that would sacrifice what they built with their quarterbacks,
even if the Cowboys are in scrap it and start
over right. It's one of those things that it sounds
really good, it sounds really sexy, but the execution of
it that's a lot harder. That's a lot harder. It's
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a lot harder. Let me transition to something. Last night,
we got our first home win as we played in
what's called the Rest Center. The Rest Center is right
across the street from Lambeaufield. It's a ten thousand seed arena.
It's really really cool, so you feel like it's got
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a chance to be a big time basketball And we
played Southern Illinois University Edwardsville SIUE, or as Dan Beyer said,
soon and they're actually a really good team that came
in at four and two. They're picked to win the
Ohio Valley Conference and we end up winning by twenty
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five points. Now get to three things that I have
known or learned or whatever that I would share that
you don't know learn in one second. First, let me
give a little love my guy. Foster Wonders a gigantic three.
We were up nine at the end of the first half.
Gave up a three on an inbounds play. At the
end of the half. I was livid. Come out and
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our team is just flat. Three bad plays on offense,
give up three layups on defense. I call a timeout
not safe for work language. And we started to figure
it out. When Foster hit this three. There's Roy to
reading her to Wonders for three.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There it is Foster Wonders with his second May three.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
He's got ten right now, you heard Roy. Of course,
that's my star player, Anthony Roy. I didn't think he
played terribly well, but he still had thirty four, five rebounds,
four assists, and he was much more patient in the
second half.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Premail reset, bounce past to Roy. He's got Dylan on him,
Roy right hand.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That time thirty three for Roy. Here's the final call
of the game.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Coach Doug Gottlie getting his first home victory for the
Green Bay Phoenix eighty two fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So here's the thing. Obviously, I feel great. We win
a game, we were tied at one point in the
second half, we end up winning by twenty five. How
could you not feel good? And we'll get to a
little later on the show. We'll talk about Indiana and
who they played and how they played them. But if
I'm terribly honest, and that's what I try and do
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on a daily basis, I've done so before I was
a head coach, why can't I still be honest? It
was a bit of an unfair fight, right SIU Edwards
Phille played their fourth game in seven days. They played
three games this weekend. I think it was Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
we're home Sunday, traveled up here Monday, and then played
US on Tuesday. That's four and seven days. That's a
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lot of basketball games. That's a lot of travel. And
though they won all three this past weekend, I think
those three games more so than US really did them
in They were they have, They're a better team than
they played. And you look at the fall off, it
was about the thirty minute mark, you know, last ten
minutes a game. They just had no juice at all.
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So the first thing is that when we look at
raw schedules or we look at data at the end
of seasons, there's context that is missing across the board.
The second part is I've never been big. I know
how you practice is how you play, and generally that's true.
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But when I say we had horrendous practices in the
day before and the day of, I'm under selling it.
Like Anthony Roy, who had thirty four was just he
couldn't figure it out and he kept trying to. I
kept taking him out of drills to rest him, and
he kept trying to get in to fix it, and
it kept getting worse. It was like I said, did
you touch the space jam basketball? Is that what happened?
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So as much as we want to say how you
practice is how you play, we weren't very good at
practice and we ended up winning by twenty five. And
the last thing is I'm I'm doing this thing that
we used to do in the Big twelve Tournament when
I was at Oklhom State, and you'd get there and
I think two of the years we played on maybe
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even all three, you played in the first day of
the tournament or the not the we didn't get to buy.
And I remember it was actually my junior year where
we had to play four and four days and the
first day we probably had one hundred fans, The second
day we had three hundred, four hundred fans, the third
day we had one thousand fans. In the championship game,
we end up having like nine ten thousand fans or
now maybe not even maybe five thousand fans, And I
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may be off with my numbers or whatever. The point is,
as we're getting ready for introductions, Jordan mccabs with my assistants.
He's from Coconnell, which is close to here, and I said,
let's take a snapshot in our brains of how many
people are here now, and let's watch it grow as
we play more and more home games. So it's really cool.
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It's really cool.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
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from thee Tiraq dot Com studios. So here here's the thing, okay,
and I understand that okay if you do the pros
and cons thing to the di'andial, right, did win at
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Jackson State in fairness, Like, if we're being honest, just
like I was honest with you about my team last
night and our victory, it doesn't take away from me
from what we were able to do. I'm just you know,
I'm just keeping it real, yo, And I'm just keeping
it real and in an effort to keep it real.
I mean, look, if we were tired and we played
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what was that We played Thursday and Saturday. That's two
and so we played three in I guess in six days,
so our guys were little gassed. But four and seven
days and all on the road, what's a lot. I'm tired.
That's a lot, okay, especially for college kids. So it's hard.
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If we're honest, it wasn't a fair fight. When he's
at Jackson State, right, Chador was a three or four
star recruit at the you know, so he's a I mean,
he's basically a pro playing against kids, and then they
had Travis Hunter. Now, look that's how you win them,
don't get me wrong, better players than your level. It's
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what we'd love to do here. But again, if we're honest,
wasn't a fair fight. And I actually think that Colorado
wall better this year. The reality is they're playing in
a league that's not great, right, not great. I'm not
going to hold the Nebraska game against them, but let's
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be honest. They were completely outclassed by Nebraska. And Nebraska
is middle to bottom of the Big Ten, right, So,
but again, they're winning a bunch of games. They may
well play in the College twelve playoff, and Shudor is
really good and Travis Hunter is amazing. But just in
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terms of execution, if we get past the point that
they just signed Dak Prescott and he's been their guy,
and he's been and I would have allowed Dak Prescott
to walk regardless of which, but they're locked into this
long term deal with Dak and he's supposed to be
the culture center. So you're completely starting over with a
rookie quarterback and you're hoping that you can line up
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a team he wants to play for, with a team
that will actually trade for him. They want him back,
they want him as well. And even if that happens
and you can clear that salary to whatever level, then
you have to execute. Having a head coach have his
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son as a quarterback. And what that does is it
makes this so the locker room is no longer truly
a safe space. That's the reality. Like it's really really
hard because you can't talk about your coach around your quarterback.
And then if you talk about your quarterback when he's
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not around and it gets the coach, you're dead there too.
And let's just also be honest, Shador, I'm sure his
guys at Colorado like him. I don't know, Like it's
not like he's been the most warm and fuzzy guy.
Not everybody will like how he purports himself. And believe
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it or not, that's actually really important in the NFL.
So chances of it happening not great, not great at all.
And if it would happen, chances of success are not great,
not great at all. You know, here's what I'll do.
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How about we ask somebody who's actually been in an
NFL locker room, actually been a pro bowler, covers the
Nation Football League and find out what he thinks. Donte
Whitner joins his former Pro Bowl defensive back Bill's Niners.
Of course, he covers the Niners on a daily basis
up in northern California. He joins us on the Doug
Gottleib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Is there a way again?
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They would have to move back with a brand new contract,
a lot of other things, but is there a Do
you think it works in the NFL to have a
coach have his son as quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Absolutely, nobody's going to hold you to a higher standard
than your father, and you have to think about what
should do and Deon Sanders have an endure together. And
you know, being a professional athlete, I know what it takes.
Even as a kid. We're going to practice, going to school,
going to a personal trainer, having a special coach, and
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you have to know that should do or you know,
he's been doing it for a long time and Dion
put a lot into his son to make sure that
he had the ability to play at a high level.
And now that he's doing it and all of his
dreams are coming to fruition. And we've seen what Jon
Sanders is doing with the turnaround at Colorado. It doesn't
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matter what you think about him personally, it doesn't matter
what you think about the antics. It's about the results
and he's winning. His son is playing at a high level,
a Heisman level. I think absolutely stuck.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio. Dante Whitner
is joining us. Let's get closer to home. What's your perception.
I mean, obviously you don't have a youth. They've done
dealt through a bunch of injuries, but most of that has,
at least on the surface, gone away, right. They still
you have Christian McCaffrey back, You do have Deebo Samuel.
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What's going on with the Niners? Why are they not
better or they're.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Not playing up to their championship standard? And I want
I say championship standard that's all eleven on offense, defense,
and special teams consistently doing their job at a high level.
And they have players play at a high level this year.
Juwan Jennings kidto at times, Deebo Samuel at times, but
not all collectively. When the forty nine ers are operating
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at their highest level, there's multiple times in the game
where they go five, six to ten plays where the
ball doesn't touch the ground, where they don't have a
negative run or they don't have a penalty on offense,
and they just haven't had that consistency on offense this year,
and then on defense, I think you would have to
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you know, a lot of people would have to agree
with me that the forty nine ers don't have the
personnelity we're accustomed to seeing them have. Usually they're loaded
on the front floor. They can truly depend on those
guys to get home and create pressure and then allow
the secondary in the back seventh to just play a
lot of basic coverage and tackle. Well, they don't have
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that this year. And they have a new defensive coordinator
who at times I feel like has been out coached
with just some of the simple things. But all in all,
when you look at the remaining schedule for the forty
nine ers, I think that more than half of those
games they will be favored. And you know, maybe this
is what they need. Our team that you know, won
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a lot of games over the past few years, they need,
you know, a little you know, kick in the backside
and a little bit of negativity in the media to
really wake this team up.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Dotee Witner is our guest here on the Doug Otlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, uh, what's your what's
your takeaway from the Bengals. I mean, you have you have.
I think he's the best wide receiver in the sport.
I think you could make an argument he's one of
the best to ever do it. In Jamar Chase like,
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he's amazing. Joe Burrow is playing in a high level,
but they keep losing, keep losing close games. What are
your thoughts on what who's to blame for the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I think everybody has to carry the blame. And I
think what we're seeing what the Bengals is, even though
you have the flash and explosive plays in the passing yard,
that's really not what wins football games. What wins football
games is a physical dominance within the trenches, controlling the football,
getting turnovers that correlate directly with winning, and then situational football,
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red zone, third down, all of those different things equate
to winning. And though Joe Burrow is you know, throwing
for you know, phenomenally amount of yards, it's not really
equating to winning. So until they fixed the other problems
on their team with you know, some of the things
in the secondary, you know, I don't know if they're
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going to be able to turn it around this year.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio Dante Hittner.
Whitner is our guest. Of course, he covers the Nation
Football League. He was a star in the Nation Football League.
You spend a lot of time in Buffalo. What is
your thoughts on how I know they haven't done the playoffs? Okay,
so there's always gonna be people who are fans are
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like that doesn't matter, or didn't beat the Chiefs in
the playoffs. You've lived the life of an NFL player.
Was it important in terms of psyche that they beat
the Kansas Chiefs in the regular season?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
It was very important in terms of psyche, And I
feel the same way about the forty nine ers in
the Kansas City Chiefs. They can't get over the hump.
But each level of football, it requires a different level
of focus and a different level of execution and critical moments.
And the regular season is different from the playoffs. The
playoffs are different from the championship games. The championship is
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different from the Super Bowl. So I wouldn't crown the
Buffalo Bills yet until they go through a high pressure
situation being a favorite at home and they actually beat
the Kansas City Chiefs in a game that means something
to move on to the Super Bowl. I think it's
just a great regular season. Now they're playing phenomenally. They're
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not turned the ball over. Josh Allen looks like he
has a great handle on what they're asking him to do,
and they always fly around defense. But I'm not I'm
not ready to crown them just yet.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I wouldn't you want to crown them? Crown you want
to crown them? Crown them? Stug out the show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Chargers, this was some transition year.
Transition year, right, not great outside the numbers. Uh defenses,
they're you know, they're putting together even though the pieces
weren't necessarily built for this style of defense. They are
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playing a fourth play schedule, but they're being successful on
that fourth place schedule. They're looking like a playoff team
and they have Justin Herbert playing efficient football. Would you
buy into them having success in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Absolutely? I went on k Adams Show before the season
started and I said that Jim Harball would have this
Los Angeles Chargers team in the AFC Championship game this year.
And I wholeheartedly meant that, And it boils down to
the intangibles. Jim Harball is a winner because of his
intangibles is to get guys to believe, because his ability
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to hold even Justin Herbert and Alex Smiths and the
Frank Gores and the Patrick Willis to a higher standard.
And if you don't like it, then you won't be
on their team. And he's such a football junkie to
who I remember. It would be times where we would
hear that the Seattle Seahawks had a day off from
training camp and we would purposely run two hundred and
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sixty five plays. He would split the team in half
and just run as many plays so that we can
watch the film. Are you able to see any different
way that they wanted to attack us on defense? And
I remember sitting in those meetings with Ed Donald tail
and going over eight different route combinations for each coverage
that we were going to play and how they could
attack us, and every player having to get up on
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the board. That doesn't happen in professional sports. There are
guys that barely put the time in, and guys like
Jim Harbaugh. He demands that you put the extra effort
and time in. So I'm not surprised about what they're doing.
When you look back to our teams in two thousand
Leve twenty twelve. It was patched together. We didn't have
high expectations. We just had a bunch of guys that
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were free agents playing on one to three year deals,
and we put it all together and we made it
to the NFC Championship that first year. So I wholeheardly
believe the LA Chargers are onto something special. And it's
all about Jim Harball and what he adds to an organization.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Why is that? What is it that he does specifically?
I mean you said it's just about holding people accountable,
like he literally wins. Huh.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
He's a leader of men. Sometimes you have to have
hard conversations with people that you don't want to have,
and a lot of people will sweep those things under
the rug. When you see something that's going wrong in
the locker room, they act like they don't see a
turn a blind eyes. Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick, those
hard nosed coaches Mike Tomlin that will not go under
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their watch, which is why they consistently win. The other
Harball that's in Baltimore, he's the same. You have some
guys that are just built to be offensive and defensive coordinators.
You're not the leader of a bunch of men, right,
So that's the difference with a lot of the head
coaches and particularly Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Dante Whitner joining us NBC Sports Bay Area is his
home as an NFL analysts. She joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's circle
back to the Cowboys. Would you do that? Would you
Jennison Dak Prescott to get Dean Sanders.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
For everything and the value that is going to bring,
the value add to Dallas Cowboys organizations? For Dion being
a Hall of Fame player and a former player of
the Dallas Cowboys, his son, you know, having the capabilities
and all the tools to be a top ten quarterback
in the NFL if things go well and they build
around him, Yes, I would. Things are changing, right, Guys
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are getting opportunities and they're running away with them and
they're having success. So I will say yes, I would
definitely make the decision to bring Dion Sanders and his
son in the play quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
What's what would you do for you the Jets? I
feel like that's much more of a Jets move, to
be honest with you, all right, the Jets of the attention.
The Jets are going to need a quarterback. The Jets
are going to have a high draft pick. If you're
the Jets, they need a new they need a new GM.
They're going to need new they need a new head coach.
What do you do if you're the Jets.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Well, I think it's going to boil down to Deona
Sanders and his decision where he wants his son to play.
And I think he's going to take a play out
of Archie Manning's playbook when Eli Manning decided that he
wasn't going to go to the San Diego Chargers at
the time, and he's already said it. There's a number
of organizations that he wants his son to play for,
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and uh, it looks like he can demand that. So
I don't know if it will really boiled down to
the New York Jets. If Diona Sanders doesn't feel like
it's a great fit and the organization isn't going to
build around his son, he probably won't be playing for
that organization.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
The Chicago Bears, what can you say, right? They were
there were some things that were better and legitimately should
have you know, should have won the game. But I
mean here eber Lewis Eberflus is under pressure and he
he plays a conservative and plays for a forty six
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yard field goal, and lo and behold that the Packers
get their hand on it. It feels like and look
obviously not just being a coach now, but like being
a realist. One play shouldn't necessarily have the die be cast.
But that felt like the death knell to his coaching,
didn't it?
Speaker 5 (28:41):
But no, I don't. I'm not sure when you think
about how that team stuck in there and they fought,
and what the Green Bay Packers have been doing to
teams all year long, how they really stuck together and
drove the footballer down to even having an attempt for
a last minute field goal. That's what you want from
your team. Majority of games in the NFL are decided
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by three points or less. And if you can give
your if you would have told Matt Eberfluz beginning of
the game, you're going to have one or ten to
kick a last minute field go to win this game,
doesn't matter what happened through the entirety of the game.
I think he would take that. So a lot of
it is guys on that line not executing. But if
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that kick goes through, then we're having a different conversation
about the Chicago Bears. And when you think about you know,
Romeo Udo was a Dozzi the receiver, the wide receiver.
The young roovers think about Romeo and you think about
Caleb Williams. I remember coming into the NFL my rookie
year at the game was moving so fast and that's
enough from Ohio State. So what these guys are doing
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in their first year, I think you have to give
them a little time. I know a lot of Chicago
Bears fans are frustrated, but there's hope. Well, what Kayleb
Williams is able to do with his legs, the game
is going to slow down for him. Romeo to wide receiver,
he's making play. So if you give these guys some
time to mature and learn how to win in the
National Football League, they might be setting themselves up for
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the next decade.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Why does Jordan Love keep getting picked off? What's what's
he doing? I mean, as a guy who was a
Pro Bowl defensive back, what's he doing that seems to
he's got a throw an interception every game this year?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Well, first off, he's a phenomenal player. And when he
can step up in the pocket in a clean pocket
and he can transport for the weight and power from
his back lied nobody can really throw the ball on
the rope like him. It's just that he's still a
young quarterback and veteran defenses understand every detail and intricate
thing matters as far as feet, corners, how far you're
(30:40):
away from receivers, the width and vertical length, and you know,
for the safeties and stand away from all the inside
of the field, so he can't get those clean reads.
That's what professional football is all about. It's about deceiving
the quarterback, a young quarterback and took the one you
the football, and that's what some of the teams are doing.
They're just baiting him. It's a throwing the football. And
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then sometimes he gets a little anxious when he gets,
you know, pressured directly in his face, like a lot
of young quarterbacks do. But Jordan Love is phenomenal and
the fort Anders are definitely going to have a tax
this weekend trying to stop them.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trigger that's the
voice of Dante Whitner. The dude is a savant in
breaking down the real world of the National Football League,
and he works for NBC Sports Bay Area. Dante, thanks
so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
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Speaker 1 (31:38):
It's a Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope
you having a great day. Doug gotleep Show broadcast life
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the end of the first out of the show, we
hand the rains Dan Byer and say, game Master, play
me a game. This is game time.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hey Dan, what's the game today?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Doug? The game today is.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
For better or worse?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
I just threw something out on x I would put
it up on Blue Sky Dan Bayer dot bsky dot
social if you're looking to follow, I'd love to have
you along, But I don't know how to do polls
on that one. But I just put up a tweet, yes,
ask asking right now would you rather who would you
rather have as a head coach at a college program?
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Lincoln Riley or Dion Sanders. So that's where we're going
to start. Doug for Better or Worse college football head
coach right now, Lincoln Riley versus Dion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I'm not going to be prisoner of the moment. I'm
going to go with Lincoln Riley again. And if we're
if we're fair, like Dion, you got great quarterback and
you got arguably the best, I think the best football
player in college football. So and you've coached those guys
for years as well or four years. So yeah, I'm
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gonna go Lincoln Rally.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
All right, I'll give results at the end of the
show as the votes are pouring in but still way
too early to call. You can see again the results
yourself at Dan Byer on Fox that is on X.
All right, Doug for Better or Worse? Better story on
getting to the NBA Dalton Connect versus Bronnie James. Come on, no,
(33:29):
I know, but I don't do these games for.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right College Colorado to Tennessee. Which one's better or which
one's worse? I mean, let's let's let's do Rinn James
is worse?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Okay, all right, Yes, I think the whole Dalton Connect
story even just last year and it's it was. It
was my take, if you will, or one of my
opinions during the whole draft process when they drafted him
is the Dalton Connect story of where he came from
and what he's accomplished. And then last night is thirty
seven points and nine threes. Yeah, yeah, amazing, all right, Doug.
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For he's a bucket for better or worse conference in
college football ACC versus the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Oh, that's a hard one. I'm gonna say the ACC
being better. Yeah, Miami and Clemson are better than anybody
in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Don't forget about Iowa Sam's Pitt Panthers, and don't forget
about SMU's fine.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But they're not.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
They're at the top of the league, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, yes, again, but they haven't played anybody.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
It also didn't fit my joke of Iowa Sam's passion
for Pitt. Oh, they've fallen off a little bit. All right,
we got a hardball coming up for better or worse?
Doug coaching resume. Jim Harball versus John Harball.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Jim, Jim, John's been outstanding.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
He's got the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
He does at one place, Jim has a Super Bowl.
He's winning with the Chargers National championship San Diego won
with turned Stanford from a no win team to a
BCS team.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Jim all Right, Doug, we have a list of now
twenty five modern era semi finalists for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. For Better or Worse as a first
ballot Hall of Famer, Eli Manning versus Luke Keickley, Oh yeah,
who's got a Who's got a better I guess candidacy resume?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean Luke Lukeiley to me is a well, he's
got a better candidacy. I mean they're both going to
get in. The highs for Eli Manning are higher, but
Luke Keickley was, in any conversation the best linebacker in
the league for I don't know, close to a decade.
So I would go Luke Keigley.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Okay, I think that's fair. For Better or Worse, same question.
Eli Manning versus Terrell Suggs, Like Keithley a Defensive Player
of the Year. Suggs Super Bowl champion, like Eli Manning
alsome that one.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I'm gonna go that one. I'm gonna go Eli. Okay,
sucks is really good. He's at a position where he
was one of the best. I don't think he was
unquestionably the best, and not that not that Eli was
ever the best quarterback in the league, but he was consistent,
he was good, and then obviously in big games he
was great. So I'll go with Eli that one.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
All right. For better or Worse the landing spot for
Juan Soto. Three team question here, Yankees versus Mets versus Dodgers.
I know Toronto and Boston are in it, but for
the sake of this question, we'll just go with those three.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Uh. Yankees for better, Dodgers for.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Worse, okay, And finally for better or worse. Boxing match
Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul or Floyd Maybeweather versus Connor McGregor.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I think Floyd Mayweather versus Conor McGregor. Even though Connor,
you know, had very little kind of boxing skill. It
was also alliant what would play Mayweather. It would really
let him like throw a bunch of punches in the
first shoe round to exhaust himself so he couldn't hurt him.
So I thought that was kind of the sweet science
and effect. Whereas the Logan Paul thing was a joke
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or Jake Paul thing.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Was a joke and that's his game time.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Game. This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show,
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Okay, so if you've been following the show, you know
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it's the middle of the week. It's also and we
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So middle of the show, middle of the week, middle
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I got some thoughts for you on the whining and
the manipulating of the media as Indiana gains ready to
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take on the Big ten. I give that to you
coming up. But I do want to start with the
story of the day. I know you guys want to
start with the fact that my Green Bay Phoenix got
our first home win last night. But I think the
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Dion Sanders story is the story of the day because
it's really really interesting, really interesting. All coaches are tied
to their quarterback. Okay, all coaches are tied to their quarterback.
And this idea which Michael Irvin has spread, Colin Cowherd
(01:30):
now has echoed others have talked about, which is the
Dallas Cowboys are very likely to make a coaching change
or so we're total though Jerry Jones says like he's
still on board with Mike McCarthy and in reality, like
Mike McCarthy up until this year has been outstanding as
the Cowboys head coach. But as I told you yesterday,
(01:52):
you just signed Dak Prescott to a new contract which
goes live next year. You're on the hook for roughly
are in thirty million dollars guaranteed over the next three years.
Do I think you could trade him with a no
trade clause? Maybe? Maybe, But we're told Dak Prescott is
(02:17):
the culture center for the Cowboys and instead it would
be Dion Now his son's not the number one overall prospect.
He may be the first quarterback taken. This isn't a
strong quarterback class. But that's not even what holds you back.
Forget that Dion has said he doesn't want to be
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an NFL head coach. I mean again, I'm in the profession.
I know most people in the profession don't say what
they really think because what's the win in it? You
still run into the issue of Dion being about Dion,
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and in the NFL it has to be about the players,
not about the head coach. But having a head coach
whose son is the quarterback, and if we're honest, even
the way in which he's handled him in college, I
don't believe anybody thinks that would actually work. Now I'm
(03:19):
not saying never, it won't happen because Jerry Jones is
just like the just like the uh, you know, Mike
Tyson syndrome. Right, There's nothing about a story about Mike
Tyson you wouldn't believe to be true. There's nothing that
you wouldn't think Jerry Jones would do to try and
(03:40):
win a Super Bowl. But the idea that Jerry Jones would,
who wants to win Super Bowl before he dies, go
and change quarterbacks when he's been all in on Dak
Prescott seems hard to believe. Additionally, it's a rookie, seems
hard to believe he's not the number one prospect. It
would seem like a bit of a reach. Then to
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hire the first coach whose son is the quarterback seems
hard to believe, but it is Jerry, so the Tyson
zone not Tyson zero. The Tyson zone does take into
effect with Jerry Jones zone. Is there's no thing that
you would think Jerry Jones would do to win a
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Super Bowl that he won't try, and for us in
the media, it'd be great. But do people understand how
hard it is to recruit to daddy ball, coach daddy ball,
play daddy ball at the college level, let alone in
(04:47):
the NFL, Because if we're honest with ourselves, Dion hasn't
been great at criticism towards his son, and the most
of the criticism towards the Sun since he's risen to
the FBS level has been towards the showman, the watch thing,
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the trash talking, all that other stuff, Like I just
in terms of percentage of chances that it would be
an abject disaster, as well as the idea that I
don't understand how anybody thinks that would it would work
to just give away Dak Prescott for pennies on the
dollar and somebody's going to absorb a massive, massive cap
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hit for a good, not great quarterback, But the whole
sale to Dak Prescott is he's a cowboy, he's our leader.
So what are we going to do? He can't have
draft schaedor have Dianna as the head coach and have
Dak as your quarterback. That doesn't work. Trading him when
that's when the money actually hits the salary cap, that
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doesn't really work. And even if it did, he gets
to dictate terms on where he goes and that drives
down his overall value. And then even if you did
pull it off, wait, wait, if you did pull it off,
you're gonna have Dion Sanders coach his son in the NFL.
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Good luck, here's coach prime. When asked about the speculation
he'd be a candidate to be a head coach in
the NFL next season.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I'm a happy where I am, man, I'm good. I
got a kickstand down. You know what a kickstand is
a lot of people don't in there and not of age,
you don't know what a kickstand is. I mean, I'm resting,
I'm good, I'm happy, I'm excited. I'm enthusiastic about where
I am. I love it here, I truly do.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Next question, Yeah, that's an un answer answer, which is okay, well,
there's no win in saying I coached the NFL. I wouldn't.
Maybe Jacksonville, I don't know. The problem is they have
Trevor Lawrence under contract, and Trevor Lawrence was a higher
rated prospect has NFL has playoff experience. Same thing with
Dak Prescott. Like I just those don't seem to be
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teams that would sacrifice what they built with their quarterbacks,
even if the Cowboys are in scrap it and start
over right. It's one of those things that it sounds
really good, it sounds really sexy, but the execution of
it that's a lot harder. That's a lot harder. It's
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a lot harder. Let me transition to something. Last night,
we got our first home win as we played in
what's called the Rest Center. The Rest Center is right
across the street from Lambeaufield. It's a ten thousand seed arena.
It's really really cool, so you feel like it's got
(07:49):
a chance to be a big time basketball And we
played Southern Illinois University Edwardsville SIUE, or as Dan Beyer said,
soon and they're actually a really good team that came
in at four and two. They're picked to win the
Ohio Valley Conference and we end up winning by twenty
(08:10):
five points. Now get to three things that I have
known or learned or whatever that I would share that
you don't know learn in one second. First, let me
give a little love my guy. Foster Wonders a gigantic three.
We were up nine at the end of the first half.
Gave up a three on an inbounds play. At the
end of the half. I was livid. Come out and
(08:31):
our team is just flat. Three bad plays on offense,
give up three layups on defense. I call a timeout
not safe for work language. And we started to figure
it out. When Foster hit this three. There's Roy to
reading her to Wonders for three.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
There it is Foster Wonders with his second May three.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
He's got ten right now, you heard Roy. Of course,
that's my star player, Anthony Roy. I didn't think he
played terribly well, but he still had thirty four, five rebounds,
four assists, and he was much more patient in the
second half.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Premail reset, bounce past to Roy. He's got Dylan on him,
Roy right hand.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That time thirty three for Roy. Here's the final call
of the game.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Coach Doug Gottlie getting his first home victory for the
Green Bay Phoenix eighty two fifty seven.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
So here's the thing. Obviously, I feel great. We win
a game, we were tied at one point in the
second half, we end up winning by twenty five. How
could you not feel good? And we'll get to a
little later on the show. We'll talk about Indiana and
who they played and how they played them. But if
I'm terribly honest, and that's what I try and do
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on a daily basis, I've done so before I was
a head coach, why can't I still be honest? It
was a bit of an unfair fight, right SIU Edwards
Phille played their fourth game in seven days. They played
three games this weekend. I think it was Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
we're home Sunday, traveled up here Monday, and then played
US on Tuesday. That's four and seven days. That's a
(10:17):
lot of basketball games. That's a lot of travel. And
though they won all three this past weekend, I think
those three games more so than US really did them
in They were they have, They're a better team than
they played. And you look at the fall off, it
was about the thirty minute mark, you know, last ten
minutes a game. They just had no juice at all.
(10:38):
So the first thing is that when we look at
raw schedules or we look at data at the end
of seasons, there's context that is missing across the board.
The second part is I've never been big. I know
how you practice is how you play, and generally that's true.
(10:58):
But when I say we had horrendous practices in the
day before and the day of, I'm under selling it.
Like Anthony Roy, who had thirty four was just he
couldn't figure it out and he kept trying to. I
kept taking him out of drills to rest him, and
he kept trying to get in to fix it, and
it kept getting worse. It was like I said, did
you touch the space jam basketball? Is that what happened?
(11:21):
So as much as we want to say how you
practice is how you play, we weren't very good at
practice and we ended up winning by twenty five. And
the last thing is I'm I'm doing this thing that
we used to do in the Big twelve Tournament when
I was at Oklhom State, and you'd get there and
I think two of the years we played on maybe
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even all three, you played in the first day of
the tournament or the not the we didn't get to buy.
And I remember it was actually my junior year where
we had to play four and four days and the
first day we probably had one hundred fans, The second
day we had three hundred, four hundred fans, the third
day we had one thousand fans. In the championship game,
we end up having like nine ten thousand fans or
now maybe not even maybe five thousand fans, And I
(12:05):
may be off with my numbers or whatever. The point is,
as we're getting ready for introductions, Jordan mccabs with my assistants.
He's from Coconnell, which is close to here, and I said,
let's take a snapshot in our brains of how many
people are here now, and let's watch it grow as
we play more and more home games. So it's really cool.
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It's really cool.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
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Speaker 1 (12:41):
Stug gott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio, or broadcasting live
from thee Tiraq dot Com studios. So here here's the thing, okay,
and I understand that okay if you do the pros
and cons thing to the di'andial, right, did win at
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Jackson State in fairness, Like, if we're being honest, just
like I was honest with you about my team last
night and our victory, it doesn't take away from me
from what we were able to do. I'm just you know,
I'm just keeping it real, yo, And I'm just keeping
it real and in an effort to keep it real.
I mean, look, if we were tired and we played
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what was that We played Thursday and Saturday. That's two
and so we played three in I guess in six days,
so our guys were little gassed. But four and seven
days and all on the road, what's a lot. I'm tired.
That's a lot, okay, especially for college kids. So it's hard.
(13:47):
If we're honest, it wasn't a fair fight. When he's
at Jackson State, right, Chador was a three or four
star recruit at the you know, so he's a I mean,
he's basically a pro playing against kids, and then they
had Travis Hunter. Now, look that's how you win them,
don't get me wrong, better players than your level. It's
(14:08):
what we'd love to do here. But again, if we're honest,
wasn't a fair fight. And I actually think that Colorado
wall better this year. The reality is they're playing in
a league that's not great, right, not great. I'm not
going to hold the Nebraska game against them, but let's
(14:29):
be honest. They were completely outclassed by Nebraska. And Nebraska
is middle to bottom of the Big Ten, right, So,
but again, they're winning a bunch of games. They may
well play in the College twelve playoff, and Shudor is
really good and Travis Hunter is amazing. But just in
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terms of execution, if we get past the point that
they just signed Dak Prescott and he's been their guy,
and he's been and I would have allowed Dak Prescott
to walk regardless of which, but they're locked into this
long term deal with Dak and he's supposed to be
the culture center. So you're completely starting over with a
rookie quarterback and you're hoping that you can line up
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a team he wants to play for, with a team
that will actually trade for him. They want him back,
they want him as well. And even if that happens
and you can clear that salary to whatever level, then
you have to execute. Having a head coach have his
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son as a quarterback. And what that does is it
makes this so the locker room is no longer truly
a safe space. That's the reality. Like it's really really
hard because you can't talk about your coach around your quarterback.
And then if you talk about your quarterback when he's
(15:58):
not around and it gets the coach, you're dead there too.
And let's just also be honest, Shador, I'm sure his
guys at Colorado like him. I don't know, Like it's
not like he's been the most warm and fuzzy guy.
Not everybody will like how he purports himself. And believe
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it or not, that's actually really important in the NFL.
So chances of it happening not great, not great at all.
And if it would happen, chances of success are not great,
not great at all. You know, here's what I'll do.
(16:46):
How about we ask somebody who's actually been in an
NFL locker room, actually been a pro bowler, covers the
Nation Football League and find out what he thinks. Donte
Whitner joins his former Pro Bowl defensive back Bill's Niners.
Of course, he covers the Niners on a daily basis
up in northern California. He joins us on the Doug
Gottleib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Is there a way again?
(17:08):
They would have to move back with a brand new contract,
a lot of other things, but is there a Do
you think it works in the NFL to have a
coach have his son as quarterback.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
Absolutely, nobody's going to hold you to a higher standard
than your father, and you have to think about what
should do and Deon Sanders have an endure together. And
you know, being a professional athlete, I know what it takes.
Even as a kid. We're going to practice, going to school,
going to a personal trainer, having a special coach, and
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you have to know that should do or you know,
he's been doing it for a long time and Dion
put a lot into his son to make sure that
he had the ability to play at a high level.
And now that he's doing it and all of his
dreams are coming to fruition. And we've seen what Jon
Sanders is doing with the turnaround at Colorado. It doesn't
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matter what you think about him personally, it doesn't matter
what you think about the antics. It's about the results
and he's winning. His son is playing at a high level,
a Heisman level. I think absolutely stuck.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Got leave show here on Fox Sports Radio. Dante Whitner
is joining us. Let's get closer to home. What's your perception.
I mean, obviously you don't have a youth. They've done
dealt through a bunch of injuries, but most of that has,
at least on the surface, gone away, right. They still
you have Christian McCaffrey back, You do have Deebo Samuel.
(18:37):
What's going on with the Niners? Why are they not
better or they're.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Not playing up to their championship standard? And I want
I say championship standard that's all eleven on offense, defense,
and special teams consistently doing their job at a high level.
And they have players play at a high level this year.
Juwan Jennings kidto at times, Deebo Samuel at times, but
not all collectively. When the forty nine ers are operating
(19:02):
at their highest level, there's multiple times in the game
where they go five, six to ten plays where the
ball doesn't touch the ground, where they don't have a
negative run or they don't have a penalty on offense,
and they just haven't had that consistency on offense this year,
and then on defense, I think you would have to
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you know, a lot of people would have to agree
with me that the forty nine ers don't have the
personnelity we're accustomed to seeing them have. Usually they're loaded
on the front floor. They can truly depend on those
guys to get home and create pressure and then allow
the secondary in the back seventh to just play a
lot of basic coverage and tackle. Well, they don't have
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that this year. And they have a new defensive coordinator
who at times I feel like has been out coached
with just some of the simple things. But all in all,
when you look at the remaining schedule for the forty
nine ers, I think that more than half of those
games they will be favored. And you know, maybe this
is what they need. Our team that you know, won
(20:04):
a lot of games over the past few years, they need,
you know, a little you know, kick in the backside
and a little bit of negativity in the media to
really wake this team up.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Dotee Witner is our guest here on the Doug Otlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, uh, what's your what's
your takeaway from the Bengals. I mean, you have you have.
I think he's the best wide receiver in the sport.
I think you could make an argument he's one of
the best to ever do it. In Jamar Chase like,
(20:37):
he's amazing. Joe Burrow is playing in a high level,
but they keep losing, keep losing close games. What are
your thoughts on what who's to blame for the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
I think everybody has to carry the blame. And I
think what we're seeing what the Bengals is, even though
you have the flash and explosive plays in the passing yard,
that's really not what wins football games. What wins football
games is a physical dominance within the trenches, controlling the football,
getting turnovers that correlate directly with winning, and then situational football,
(21:14):
red zone, third down, all of those different things equate
to winning. And though Joe Burrow is you know, throwing
for you know, phenomenally amount of yards, it's not really
equating to winning. So until they fixed the other problems
on their team with you know, some of the things
in the secondary, you know, I don't know if they're
(21:36):
going to be able to turn it around this year.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio Dante Hittner.
Whitner is our guest. Of course, he covers the Nation
Football League. He was a star in the Nation Football League.
You spend a lot of time in Buffalo. What is
your thoughts on how I know they haven't done the playoffs? Okay,
so there's always gonna be people who are fans are
(21:58):
like that doesn't matter, or didn't beat the Chiefs in
the playoffs. You've lived the life of an NFL player.
Was it important in terms of psyche that they beat
the Kansas Chiefs in the regular season?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
It was very important in terms of psyche, And I
feel the same way about the forty nine ers in
the Kansas City Chiefs. They can't get over the hump.
But each level of football, it requires a different level
of focus and a different level of execution and critical moments.
And the regular season is different from the playoffs. The
playoffs are different from the championship games. The championship is
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different from the Super Bowl. So I wouldn't crown the
Buffalo Bills yet until they go through a high pressure
situation being a favorite at home and they actually beat
the Kansas City Chiefs in a game that means something
to move on to the Super Bowl. I think it's
just a great regular season. Now they're playing phenomenally. They're
(22:54):
not turned the ball over. Josh Allen looks like he
has a great handle on what they're asking him to do,
and they always fly around defense. But I'm not I'm
not ready to crown them just yet.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I wouldn't you want to crown them? Crown you want
to crown them? Crown them? Stug out the show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, Chargers, this was some transition year.
Transition year, right, not great outside the numbers. Uh defenses,
they're you know, they're putting together even though the pieces
weren't necessarily built for this style of defense. They are
(23:27):
playing a fourth play schedule, but they're being successful on
that fourth place schedule. They're looking like a playoff team
and they have Justin Herbert playing efficient football. Would you
buy into them having success in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Absolutely? I went on k Adams Show before the season
started and I said that Jim Harball would have this
Los Angeles Chargers team in the AFC Championship game this year.
And I wholeheartedly meant that, And it boils down to
the intangibles. Jim Harball is a winner because of his
intangibles is to get guys to believe, because his ability
(24:03):
to hold even Justin Herbert and Alex Smiths and the
Frank Gores and the Patrick Willis to a higher standard.
And if you don't like it, then you won't be
on their team. And he's such a football junkie to
who I remember. It would be times where we would
hear that the Seattle Seahawks had a day off from
training camp and we would purposely run two hundred and
(24:24):
sixty five plays. He would split the team in half
and just run as many plays so that we can
watch the film. Are you able to see any different
way that they wanted to attack us on defense? And
I remember sitting in those meetings with Ed Donald tail
and going over eight different route combinations for each coverage
that we were going to play and how they could
attack us, and every player having to get up on
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the board. That doesn't happen in professional sports. There are
guys that barely put the time in, and guys like
Jim Harbaugh. He demands that you put the extra effort
and time in. So I'm not surprised about what they're doing.
When you look back to our teams in two thousand
Leve twenty twelve. It was patched together. We didn't have
high expectations. We just had a bunch of guys that
(25:06):
were free agents playing on one to three year deals,
and we put it all together and we made it
to the NFC Championship that first year. So I wholeheardly
believe the LA Chargers are onto something special. And it's
all about Jim Harball and what he adds to an organization.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Why is that? What is it that he does specifically?
I mean you said it's just about holding people accountable,
like he literally wins. Huh.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
He's a leader of men. Sometimes you have to have
hard conversations with people that you don't want to have,
and a lot of people will sweep those things under
the rug. When you see something that's going wrong in
the locker room, they act like they don't see a
turn a blind eyes. Jim Harbaugh and Bill Belichick, those
hard nosed coaches Mike Tomlin that will not go under
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their watch, which is why they consistently win. The other
Harball that's in Baltimore, he's the same. You have some
guys that are just built to be offensive and defensive coordinators.
You're not the leader of a bunch of men, right,
So that's the difference with a lot of the head
coaches and particularly Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Dante Whitner joining us NBC Sports Bay Area is his
home as an NFL analysts. She joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's circle
back to the Cowboys. Would you do that? Would you
Jennison Dak Prescott to get Dean Sanders.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
For everything and the value that is going to bring,
the value add to Dallas Cowboys organizations? For Dion being
a Hall of Fame player and a former player of
the Dallas Cowboys, his son, you know, having the capabilities
and all the tools to be a top ten quarterback
in the NFL if things go well and they build
around him, Yes, I would. Things are changing, right, Guys
(26:55):
are getting opportunities and they're running away with them and
they're having success. So I will say yes, I would
definitely make the decision to bring Dion Sanders and his
son in the play quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
What's what would you do for you the Jets? I
feel like that's much more of a Jets move, to
be honest with you, all right, the Jets of the attention.
The Jets are going to need a quarterback. The Jets
are going to have a high draft pick. If you're
the Jets, they need a new they need a new GM.
They're going to need new they need a new head coach.
What do you do if you're the Jets.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
Well, I think it's going to boil down to Deona
Sanders and his decision where he wants his son to play.
And I think he's going to take a play out
of Archie Manning's playbook when Eli Manning decided that he
wasn't going to go to the San Diego Chargers at
the time, and he's already said it. There's a number
of organizations that he wants his son to play for,
(27:45):
and uh, it looks like he can demand that. So
I don't know if it will really boiled down to
the New York Jets. If Diona Sanders doesn't feel like
it's a great fit and the organization isn't going to
build around his son, he probably won't be playing for
that organization.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
The Chicago Bears, what can you say, right? They were
there were some things that were better and legitimately should
have you know, should have won the game. But I
mean here eber Lewis Eberflus is under pressure and he
he plays a conservative and plays for a forty six
(28:22):
yard field goal, and lo and behold that the Packers
get their hand on it. It feels like and look
obviously not just being a coach now, but like being
a realist. One play shouldn't necessarily have the die be cast.
But that felt like the death knell to his coaching,
didn't it?
Speaker 5 (28:41):
But no, I don't. I'm not sure when you think
about how that team stuck in there and they fought,
and what the Green Bay Packers have been doing to
teams all year long, how they really stuck together and
drove the footballer down to even having an attempt for
a last minute field goal. That's what you want from
your team. Majority of games in the NFL are decided
(29:01):
by three points or less. And if you can give
your if you would have told Matt Eberfluz beginning of
the game, you're going to have one or ten to
kick a last minute field go to win this game,
doesn't matter what happened through the entirety of the game.
I think he would take that. So a lot of
it is guys on that line not executing. But if
(29:22):
that kick goes through, then we're having a different conversation
about the Chicago Bears. And when you think about you know,
Romeo Udo was a Dozzi the receiver, the wide receiver.
The young roovers think about Romeo and you think about
Caleb Williams. I remember coming into the NFL my rookie
year at the game was moving so fast and that's
enough from Ohio State. So what these guys are doing
(29:44):
in their first year, I think you have to give
them a little time. I know a lot of Chicago
Bears fans are frustrated, but there's hope. Well, what Kayleb
Williams is able to do with his legs, the game
is going to slow down for him. Romeo to wide receiver,
he's making play. So if you give these guys some
time to mature and learn how to win in the
National Football League, they might be setting themselves up for
(30:06):
the next decade.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Why does Jordan Love keep getting picked off? What's what's
he doing? I mean, as a guy who was a
Pro Bowl defensive back, what's he doing that seems to
he's got a throw an interception every game this year?
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Well, first off, he's a phenomenal player. And when he
can step up in the pocket in a clean pocket
and he can transport for the weight and power from
his back lied nobody can really throw the ball on
the rope like him. It's just that he's still a
young quarterback and veteran defenses understand every detail and intricate
thing matters as far as feet, corners, how far you're
(30:40):
away from receivers, the width and vertical length, and you know,
for the safeties and stand away from all the inside
of the field, so he can't get those clean reads.
That's what professional football is all about. It's about deceiving
the quarterback, a young quarterback and took the one you
the football, and that's what some of the teams are doing.
They're just baiting him. It's a throwing the football. And
(31:02):
then sometimes he gets a little anxious when he gets,
you know, pressured directly in his face, like a lot
of young quarterbacks do. But Jordan Love is phenomenal and
the fort Anders are definitely going to have a tax
this weekend trying to stop them.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trigger that's the
voice of Dante Whitner. The dude is a savant in
breaking down the real world of the National Football League,
and he works for NBC Sports Bay Area. Dante, thanks
so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
Oh, thank you.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
To be sure to catch the live edition of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
It's a Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope
you having a great day. Doug gotleep Show broadcast life
at the ty right dot com studios every day. At
the end of the first out of the show, we
hand the rains Dan Byer and say, game Master, play
me a game. This is game time.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Hey Dan, what's the game today?
Speaker 6 (32:02):
Doug? The game today is.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
For better or worse?
Speaker 5 (32:06):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:06):
I just threw something out on x I would put
it up on Blue Sky Dan Bayer dot bsky dot
social if you're looking to follow, I'd love to have
you along, But I don't know how to do polls
on that one. But I just put up a tweet, yes,
ask asking right now would you rather who would you
rather have as a head coach at a college program?
(32:27):
Lincoln Riley or Dion Sanders. So that's where we're going
to start. Doug for Better or Worse college football head
coach right now, Lincoln Riley versus Dion Sanders.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I'm not going to be prisoner of the moment. I'm
going to go with Lincoln Riley again. And if we're
if we're fair, like Dion, you got great quarterback and
you got arguably the best, I think the best football
player in college football. So and you've coached those guys
for years as well or four years. So yeah, I'm
(33:04):
gonna go Lincoln Rally.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
All right, I'll give results at the end of the
show as the votes are pouring in but still way
too early to call. You can see again the results
yourself at Dan Byer on Fox that is on X.
All right, Doug for Better or Worse? Better story on
getting to the NBA Dalton Connect versus Bronnie James. Come on, no,
(33:29):
I know, but I don't do these games for.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right College Colorado to Tennessee. Which one's better or which
one's worse? I mean, let's let's let's do Rinn James
is worse?
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Okay, all right, Yes, I think the whole Dalton Connect
story even just last year and it's it was. It
was my take, if you will, or one of my
opinions during the whole draft process when they drafted him
is the Dalton Connect story of where he came from
and what he's accomplished. And then last night is thirty
seven points and nine threes. Yeah, yeah, amazing, all right, Doug.
(34:06):
For he's a bucket for better or worse conference in
college football ACC versus the Big Twelve.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Oh, that's a hard one. I'm gonna say the ACC
being better. Yeah, Miami and Clemson are better than anybody
in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 6 (34:26):
Don't forget about Iowa Sam's Pitt Panthers, and don't forget
about SMU's fine.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
But they're not.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
They're at the top of the league, aren't they.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, yes, again, but they haven't played anybody.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
It also didn't fit my joke of Iowa Sam's passion
for Pitt. Oh, they've fallen off a little bit. All right,
we got a hardball coming up for better or worse?
Doug coaching resume. Jim Harball versus John Harball.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Jim, Jim, John's been outstanding.
Speaker 6 (34:51):
He's got the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
He does at one place, Jim has a Super Bowl.
He's winning with the Chargers National championship San Diego won
with turned Stanford from a no win team to a
BCS team.
Speaker 6 (35:05):
Jim all Right, Doug, we have a list of now
twenty five modern era semi finalists for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. For Better or Worse as a first
ballot Hall of Famer, Eli Manning versus Luke Keickley, Oh yeah,
who's got a Who's got a better I guess candidacy resume?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean Luke Lukeiley to me is a well, he's
got a better candidacy. I mean they're both going to
get in. The highs for Eli Manning are higher, but
Luke Keickley was, in any conversation the best linebacker in
the league for I don't know, close to a decade.
So I would go Luke Keigley.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Okay, I think that's fair. For Better or Worse, same question.
Eli Manning versus Terrell Suggs, Like Keithley a Defensive Player
of the Year. Suggs Super Bowl champion, like Eli Manning
alsome that one.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I'm gonna go that one. I'm gonna go Eli. Okay,
sucks is really good. He's at a position where he
was one of the best. I don't think he was
unquestionably the best, and not that not that Eli was
ever the best quarterback in the league, but he was consistent,
he was good, and then obviously in big games he
was great. So I'll go with Eli that one.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
All right. For better or Worse the landing spot for
Juan Soto. Three team question here, Yankees versus Mets versus Dodgers.
I know Toronto and Boston are in it, but for
the sake of this question, we'll just go with those three.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Uh. Yankees for better, Dodgers for.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Worse, okay, And finally for better or worse. Boxing match
Mike Tyson versus Jake Paul or Floyd Maybeweather versus Connor McGregor.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I think Floyd Mayweather versus Conor McGregor. Even though Connor,
you know, had very little kind of boxing skill. It
was also alliant what would play Mayweather. It would really
let him like throw a bunch of punches in the
first shoe round to exhaust himself so he couldn't hurt him.
So I thought that was kind of the sweet science
and effect. Whereas the Logan Paul thing was a joke
(37:15):
or Jake Paul thing.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
Was a joke and that's his game time.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Game. This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show,
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Okay, so if you've been following the show, you know
what's coming up next. If you haven't, you're in for
quite the treat. Today is Wednesday. Traditionally Wednesday is hump day, right,
it's the middle of the week. It's also and we
really do three hours of a show because we have
a podcast we do right after the show. It's called
in the Bonus. That's part of the Doug Gottlip Show podcast,
(37:49):
which you can download, subscribe rate wherever you get podcasts.
So middle of the show, middle of the week, middle
of the day. It's called the Midway. One of the
most intriguing college football storylines moving forward. That's the Midway.
That's next on Fox Sports Radio.
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