February 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug explains why it is not surprising that Deion Sanders admits that he has never made a visit to a potential recruit, Doug talks about the transfer portal being a big reason why. Doug talks about Kevin Durant's reasoning for not wanting to get moved at the deadline. Doug welcomes former basketball coach and analyst and current Outkick talk show host Dan Dakich onto the show to talk some hoops. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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good good. You know, it's interesting. I've been on the
road recruiting the last two days and uh I heard
a quote from Dion Sanders and I you know, yesterday
we played a quote from Rick Patino and Jay Stuke
kind of like, hey, do kids these days like to
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be coached this way? And I think common misconception is
that all kids in two thousand and twenty five are
soft and that they can't motivate them and challenging their
manhood doesn't work anymore. Look, there are things that don't
work that used to work. There are ways to do
it that you can't do it. But depending on the
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messengers the message it can be received. And the more
that I read about my jobs and how I do
my coaching job, the more I and I see people
or read people's reaction to it, the more I realize
they don't actually know how anything works. They just don't
have zero clue, which is okay, it's probably our job,
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especially as a broadcaster, and it's one of the things
that's bothered me for a long time about so many
broadcasters is they literally have no idea how it actually works.
So this was Dion Sanders when he was asked about
a story that he doesn't do in person recruiting. Here's
his response.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't go to nobody's school and nobody houses.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I'm too old to be going to some high school
and somebody else.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
All the kids that I'm recruiting, matter of fact, they're
in the portal. They've grown men with kids. They ain'tn'na
need me to come around. They crib and try to
convince them to come play for me.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
No, And so I think it's really interesting, right, Like
Patino came out last week and said, we're not recruiting
any high school kids, you know, and I we have
a couple of high school kids coming in. I really
like them, but I also know that they're coming in.
You know, two of the three we've taken coming in
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with the idea of they don't have high expectations of
playing right away. It's really hard to conceptualize them playing
at eighteen years old when next year, you know a
lot of guys are going to be twenty four to
twenty five years old still in college basketball. But do
you have to go in person? No, no, I'm doing
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I haven't done an in home visit. In mind now,
he's been on the job for more time than I have,
obviously going back to Jackson State. But you know, yesterday
I talked to a family that's in Little Rock, Arkansas.
I couldn't get there because the weather conditions, but one
of my assistants was able to get there. You know,
we're able to get to most places, but especially with
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the portal, it doesn't usually work in face to face
outside of them coming on campus. It would sound to
some as if he's lazy, but the fact is he's not.
He already has his kind of quarterback of the future.
He is deon standers, and I'm sure as much as
he's not going to anybody's home now, if there was
a player he really really wanted and the family just
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wanted to meet Dion, I'm sure that can be arranged.
He just hasn't been to that point just yet because well,
his two best players were his son and Travis Hunter,
who are exceptionally close, and obviously he followed him from
Jackson State to Colorado. But the more I hear this
and I see people pushing back about what Dion isn't doing,
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they actually don't understand how it works, how it works
for us. For example, you know, I sent my two
more experienced recruiters on the road and they've gone out.
They've been gone to what we're gone for two straight weeks.
One is gone this week, another one's been gone for
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another week and a half. Outside of that, just to
see guys in person, and there are players that in
basketball I want to see them in person. You know,
I can't see guys that will be in the portal
in person. I can watch them on a computer program
called Synergy, where I can watch every play, every possession,
every mistake, every successful play period. I can talk to
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lots of people, and sometimes you do need to get
to know the people around them to know what kind
of kid you are getting, especially when you don't have
a lot of time to decide. But at the end
of the day, once we get to taking some poor kids,
and we will take some, it is you do not
have a lot of time. Kid appears in the portal.
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There's different programs that can tell you what the valuation
is as a player and and what level they can
play at. And that also helps you establish sort of
valuation for what you would be willing to pay for
such a player. If you have to pay for the player,
you don't have to pay for everybody. Also a column misconception,
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but all these things are kind of like factored in.
And yeah, when you're in the portal, you're not doing
in home and in home visits, you're not doing in
person visits. Does that surprise you?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Just do? I guess it does. It doesn't surprise me
that Dion doesn't, but it does surprise me. I think
that there's a I still think there's a personal touch.
I think a lot of business nowadays, especially since the pandemic,
a lot of a lot of businesses are kind of
cutting down on travel costs and whatnot. But I just
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think that there is a value in speaking human to
human to somebody in person.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So there there is. But again, let's look at the
reality of if you're Don, Okay, when the portal opens,
you have you know, mere hours to really kind of
decide if you're going to offer somebody. There's something, ever,
that we call the dark portal, which is rumors and
stories and agents and other runners, you know, going, hey,
this guy's gonna be in the portal. That guy's going
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to be in the portal. And while we don't operate
in the dark portal, a lot of people do, and
they believe that getting ahead is what's important. So you
don't have a lot of time to decide if you're
gonna take or not take a kid. The recruitment process
is so fast that imagine if you're Don and you're like, Okay,
I'm gonna go see this lineman in Texas. Well, then
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if you don't go see the lineman in California, I
saw the lineman in Texas, or you couldn't see the
lineman in Utah because he's still on campus at the
University of Utah or something like that. You can't do it.
There's just a reality to it. When you're in the portal,
you can't you very likely can't do all those things.
And if you go and see one, well then you
gotta go see all of them. So I do think
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there's a little bit of genius to it, even if
he's acting like he's just too old to be doing
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean when you laid out that way, I
guess that the transfer portal has changed everything. And I
will say this too now that I think about it.
If somebody like text or something and is like, let's
get together for coffee, you immediately think, man, that's an inconvenience.
Why why can't we just talk on the phone or text.
But then after you're done meeting with somebody.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Like that was great or something so glad that we will,
you know, So there's something to it. Listen, I'm I'm I.
When when I got the job, you know this, I
got my car on a Friday and I was going
to drive to every player within driving distance that was
in the portal. Uh for a great bay. There are
eight players you know one guy was like, coach them out.
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Another guy I didn't have to go drive to see
he recommitted, and I saw the other six and was
it four of which came back. So I end up
with five. Right, So I agree with you on the
personal touch, But I'm telling you the reality of Dion
is it's really hard, really hard. It kind of impossible
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to go and meet. And if you go do it
for one and you're Dion Sanders, then if you don't
go do it for everybody, then you're like, well, hold on, Prime,
you're gonna go to this dude's house. You're not gonna
go to my house. So that's like the old child
rowing line, don't do once, which you wouldn't be willing
to do a thousand times. But if he does want
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the kid, Dion Sanders showing up at the right kid's house,
oh my gosh, no chance he doesn't get him.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
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Jay Stu, this is Kevin rant On not want to
leave Phoenix right because he supposedly could have gone to
Golden State to finish up the season. People talk crazy
about me all the time. That's not the reason why
I didn't want to come back. I just didn't want
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to get traded mid way through the season. Tryan explained
it was nothing against my time with the Warriors, or
I've heard is because I don't like Draymond. At the
end of the day, I just didn't want to move.
I wanted to see it through with my team in
Phoenix and we'll see what we could do the rest
of the season. So I'm glad I'm still here. Jacetu.
How long have you lived at your place?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
My current place? What about three years?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay? And then how long have you lived in that
general vicinity?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Let's see, I've lived in the Los Angeles metropolitan area
for what.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, but I mean you're like, you're a good ways
north of the station. You're probably fifty minutes from downtown,
like in that area of Los Angeles. How long have you.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Lived I don't know, twenty some odd years, okay?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You've always been in the valley, per se or somewhere
in the valley.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Uh No, I was on the west side, spent some
time down in Orange County.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, so for people who don't know, like Orange County
and where you live, now, that's a good almost two
hours apart. Right, that's an actually legit move. It's a
legit move. Don't get me wrong. All the brands are
the same, right, It's not like you need a new
brand of grocery store, new brand of workout place, whatever
it is different. Uh Sam, How about you? How long
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have you lived to your current current location?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Current location about one year actually coming up pretty much
a year on the dot.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And then when did you move out to Los Angeles?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
The pretty much the end of twenty fifteen, so and
it's a decade.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Did you enjoy the movie? Like was it? Is that
the only move in your life from Iowa to LA Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:02):
I mean I went to University of Vermont for one semester.
So you're not moving like a bunch of furniture and stuff.
You're moving your personal items. And but then I lived,
I lived with my sister, not really lived, but I
was with you know, my sister. Uh doing an internship
in Philadelphia for like two months, but that doesn't really count.
So yeah, really, LA's been my biggest.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Move Montale about you, how much have you moved around?
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Not a lot? Not a lot.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
I'm an La girl pretty much my whole life. I've
lived like a couple of months in New York for school,
but just like a summer, So not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So do you guys like the idea of moving or
not like the idea of moving.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
I don't like the idea of moving because I don't
want to pack anything and then unpack.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No moving jobs. You don't have to pack.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Moving just sucks.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Moving's the worst. Moving's worse than public speaking, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You don't like public speaking.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Well, I'm saying I never shut up on the radio.
I like talking on the radio.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, listen, Can I get a little stair drop on
that one? Come on, I don't.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
We're on the radio. So moving compared to talking on
the radio and aka public speaking is a breeze compared
to moving.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't think public speaking. I don't. I don't think
when you say public speaking, that's not well speaking the
radio is not published.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I'll just say this though, when you know you're talking
from the nation. You go up in front of a
couple hundred people to talk. It's much easier than not
having that radio experience and trying to do.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
That, No question, I think it helps. So you guys
don't like I love moving.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
What it's the worst?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
What do you love about it?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I just love new stuff, you know. I just I
remember I was the ESPN for nine years. I loved
being an ESPN. You know, there are lots of people.
I know it's different than now than it was then.
I loved every minute of the nine years there not.
But I remember I was driving he stood driving this
road called Huckleberry Hill. First I was on Jerome because
it was in Burlington first three years, and I was
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in Canton for six years, so it just across the river,
and I would drive out Huckleberry Hill every day. It
was this beautiful drive in the fall. There's an apple tree.
I'd stop, I'd get apples and eat them on the
way to work. It was like amazing. But I just
remember thinking, like, how many years? Was six straight years
driving the exact same route to work. That's a lot.
It's a lot of time, right, And then when I
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was at at Fox. Granted, I lived in I don't know,
three or four different homes in the Newport Beach area,
but I it was the same drive, you know, like
I'm going up to four or five every single day.
I I like, I don't know, I like change.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
It sounds like you like we were talking about the
act of moving, packing your crap up, you know, getting
the logistics of it, getting yourself to wherever your new
home is.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You listen, I still haven't done. I still have Wisconsin,
I still have a California driver's license. I haven't There's
a bunch of stuff I haven't done. I'm terrible at it.
I mean, that's the best thing. But when you take
the ESPN job, is they just they onboard you. They
do everything. You don't even pick up anything in your house.
You just like, hey, make sure it's relatively clean. They
pack all your stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
That's nice. That makes it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Now they take it out of your check. Right, there's
a credit whatever in tax on the credit. But the
point is that's the way to move. But in the
act of actually moving and changing places is nice.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Yeah, it's it's good for the soul.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Right, So I but I think Kevin RAN's like yeah,
I've done that. It's the middle of the year. It's
too hard. I don't want to move. Do you want to, like, Yeah,
we could not win there, we could not win here.
Devil you know, devil you know, I don't know. I
kinda I kind of buy it. And and and the
one thing about KD is he's never been somebody who's
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bisD us the any anytime k D has gotten into trouble,
he's got in trouble for being too honest. Right. Yes,
So when he says, hey, I didn't want to move,
I don't want to leave my team. I want to
see this thing through. We'll figure out in the off season.
I don't think he's telling a half truth. I think
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he's telling the actual truth.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I think we said yesterday what he did. He had
that Twitter exchange with with somebody yesterday where he said
a lot of truthful things. I thought maybe he was
over overtruthful for the NBA's purpose. But I said that
he's had his career. He's a guy who's had his career.
He's got a ton of money in the bank. He's
gonna go into the Hall of Fame as soon as
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he stops playing. And waits a necessary time. So it's
like everything he says now I see through that filter,
like he's had his career, like he's good. I don't
get I don't get this urgency to like, you know,
chase a ring or anything. He just likes to ball
and they'll try to make as much money as he
can before he leaves.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, that's exactly who he is. S Doug Gottlieb Show.
You're on Fox Sports Radio speaking of coach uh uh,
longtime college basketball coach and college basketball all ast, the
host of Don't at Me, Dan Docketts will join us.
Uh momentarily, we'll do the coach to coach thing. Uh.
That's we'll do the coach coach to coach thing. Colle
(15:51):
each other, coach, you call each other coach, Hey, coach.
It's the best thing. It's the it's the hey dude
of sports. And by that, I mean, you know you
don't know somebody's name. Hey, Hey, hey dude, what up?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Hey man? How are you bro? What's up? Dude? Now
I just go hey, coach, Hey, coach. I'm not actually
a coach anywhere, that's okay. I just call everybody coach.
It's the it's the sports expression of hey, dude.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
It's the maestro from Seinfeld. Yes, the guys like the
composer or the conductor of like a military band. And
then it's like, no, please refer to me as maestro.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Did uh? Did you guys see what happened at the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game last night? So the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game, the teams line up
and Brad Underwoods bred Underwoods, coach of Illinois. They get
beat at Wisconsin, and he goes and says something to
Greg Guard's, head coach of Wisconsin, and he's and they're like,
we're not shaking hands. We'll just do the NBA Like hey,
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you know, goodbye, you know. So then Underwood goes to
the podium and they ask him about it. He's like, no, look,
we've we get the flu running through our team, so
the last thing we want to do is get somebody
else sick, prodibly thoughtful.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
They already lost to him. It's like why why you know?
Wisconsin is having their best offensive output since like the seventies,
So they're yeah, no, they're incredible, they're incredible scoring the ball.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I got a kid. The guy John Tanji was probably
a big big tem player of the year transfer. You know,
this is sixth year. You know he started at Colorada
State and then he was at he was at Missouri
last year. But John Tanji was on the freshman B
team when he was a freshman high school in Omaha,
Nebraska to now being big tem play of the year
Like talk about improvement. But yeah, I just I do
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wonder if it was your rival, if you I he
was like your our tribal, would you do that? Like
would Illinois do that too? Ohio State or Northwestern? Like
I don't know, it's diabolical, but like, hey, I don't
want to get just sick.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Would Minnesota do that? Wisconsin or vice versa?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
That would be a little you know, we talk about rivalries.
That would be a little bit too much like bio warfare.
I think in the college ranks.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, what if it was by a Like what if
he played a team like upcoming in two weeks You're like, hey, guys, listen,
wipe your nose, get some boogies on it, shake their hands,
and we'll see em in two weeks in their coffee
in season. That would be diabolical. Wouldn't it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Trying to gain an edge, you know, only goes so far.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think I where is the cutoff? And listen, if
they didn't get their flu shots, that's on them.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
We are in the cold and flu season.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm not allowed to mandate my guys getting their flu shots,
but I remind them on a daily basis. Hey, if
you go right down the hall, they will give you
a flu shot for free. Just got it.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Athletes are also just like just because they're always working
out and they take care of themselves, like their immune
systems are already fantastic.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They are. But like we had, you know, our starting center.
He got strep and the flu testa posit for both
two weeks ago. So then you know he didn't play
well that weekend. They're like, why didn't play well? I
was like, well, because he didn't practice all week because
he was in bed because he was super sick. So
but you know, you can't tell anybody that.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
You just go like, eh, good on Brad Underwood though,
that was consciou that's a solid interesting to do.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, it's a solid move. Hey, no, I'm sick, can't
shake your hand. We can do the elbow thing. You
guys want to do the elbow thing. No, no, but
thing with his wave? What's his wave? Well wave?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
What is?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
What is? What is your limit for when you will
limit human contact? Like do you actually have to feel bad?
Have you felt bad? Do you feel like your symptoms
are gone? For me, I never get sick, so it's
not usually an issue for me. I'm also a big
hand washer because I do shake a lot of hands.
But it does annoy me when people are clearly sick
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and they're like sitting next to you sneezing, Like, dude,
go somewhere else, Go somewhere else. Stan Dockets share with us.
I think he is Dan Dockets hosts don't at me
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Show on Fox Sports Radio. Pretty solid. You had Brad
Underwood on today, right, He was pretty solid of him
to not shake hands because he didn't want to get
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Wisconsin sick.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, I mean you're coaching, you know. I mean it's
one of those I remember asking a long time ago
Joey Meyer when he was at the Paul what's the
hardest thing about coach hit to Paul and he said,
we always get sick. I said, what do you mean.
He goes, well, we gotta go practice. They didn't have
a practice, silly, They got to go up north the
practice at the Rose Month and come back, get out
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of the carget in the car and you get sick.
So yeah, I know what it was great. He's like, look,
we are sick as hell. And he went through all
of it, and then Doug he's like, I don't want
to spread it to the other team, so I told
or he told Greg Guard and then you know, people
made a little bit of a deal on it because
that's what people do. But no, it was a good
movie and they you know, according to Brady, they're bad sick,
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like this has been going on for a few weeks
and hopefully they get through it. But you understand it.
I mean, it's crazy how much you're together. One guy
gets sick, everybody gets sick. It's bad.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is bad, and they can go through, go through
the team, and then it gets and you know, he's like,
why isn't that team any good? Like, yeah, they're all
sick just right.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I tried to cancel the game one time. We couldn't play.
I couldn't practice for three days. I think guys puking.
We're playing Northern Illinois, and I'm like, can we move
the game a day or something? Because you know it
wasn't really on TV and now we got to play.
I'm like, all right, we got our ass beat. And
I couldn't even get mad after the game because I
didn't even know if we're gonna have five guys. You know,
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every coach you know has a story like that. At
some point you could coach long enough.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You know, there's obviously a lot of talk post All
Star games, Like every year post All Star Game, we
can plain Altar game stinks. I haven't watched it in
years because we all know it stinks. But I would
also tell you that Major League Baseball's All Star Game
isn't entertaining anymore. Pro Bowl is no longer a football game,
not entertaining anymore. What what's happened to? Why aren't All
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Star games important to the players anymore?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think they don't have pride in it anymore. You know,
back one hundred years ago, Pete Rose runs over Ray Foster.
I remember that like it was yesterday. I said this
on both of my shows. To it until you get
player pride in this until you get people that are
just doing with the hot key players say, you know,
they look pride for each other, pride and playing for
you know, a uniform. If I'm gonna put a uniform on,
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I'm gonna play hard. That kind of thing. I think
that is totally completely lost. I do, and I I
look at the NBA and there's a podcast, it's kind
of an interesting podcast up in Smoke, Matt Barnes and
Steven Jackson. And when they interview guys that aren't Isaiah
Thomas or Magic, and you realize how whacked out these
(22:28):
NBA players are, what clowns and fools they are. And
now you know, I mean the Isaiahs, the Jordans, the Birds,
the Magic, the create that pride, you know these guys.
When when you hear Barnes and Jackson interview people, it's like, well,
these guys are just a bunch of dumbasses that smoke
weeds during the season, drink act like idiots, and you know,
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and that's what the NBA too, people have become. And
it's them telling their stories. You know, you hear Isaiah
or you hear oh what was it? You know, hey, look,
we're not gonna let Kobe embarrass Michael in his last
All Star game. You know, we're not gonna let that happen.
That is not happening. Kobe's this young kid. He ain't
getting forty, you know, against us in the locker room here,
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Isaiah tell those stories or you hear Bird tell those stories,
or whoever, And that's pride. You just the NBA. I'm
not gonna tell you. I don't know the reason. Maybe
it's money, maybe it's popularity, maybe it's I have no idea,
but man, I'm always fascinated with all these podcasts out
to listen to them, and it's like from the time
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Jordan that crew got done, maybe early two thousands, through
the whatever. It's not the stars, it's the fringe guys
that are kind of good enough, that are pains in
the ass, like a Barnes, like a Jackson, and you
see these other guys on there, and you're like, well, man,
the NBA was a mess, and then I think the
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current players have just taken that and made it more
lase fair. I don't know. That's a long answer to
saying I don't know, but it's it's like porn, right.
The Supreme Court justice can't define it, but I know
it when I see it. There's a hell and a
lack of pride there.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I would, I would, I would agree with you. I
agree with you. How much is the commissioner to play?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, I think he stinks. You know, everybody loves him
because he's the woe guy. But Doug, when you players
always always take kindness as weakness, like the commissioner is
gonna leave all this stuff to the players. Really, we're
gonna give into the players on every issue. Really, David
(24:34):
Stern didn't build the league that way. David sternbruled with
an iron fish. You're gonna dress a certain way, You're
gonna talk a certain way. The coaches are gonna address
a certain way. You know, you get out of hand
with the officials. It wasn't ahead of officials that called you.
It was David Stern that called you. You act like
an idiot in the press commons. It wasn't your GM,
it was David Stern to call you. Now, this guy
he's given into everything, and you can't give in the players.
(24:57):
You can never get coach. Now, you said best, I
give in the players on things I don't care about. Hey, man,
you guys want to go eat at the Big Wheel
or you want to eat at Butterfields. All right, hey man,
you guys want practice at eight, you want practice at ten.
Things you don't really care about. You don't give in
the players unimportant issues ever, under no circumstance. And you know,
(25:17):
in this woke whatever you want to call it era
player empowerment, he did, he does and players don't stop. Man.
It's like always said about the NC double A rule book.
You know, guys, bitchhind them on about the NC double
A rule book being so thick back in death. It
ain't the rules, it's the coaches that learn to break
the rules. And now you got to put a bunch
(25:39):
of a deadments in or amendments in, and next thing,
you know, one rule that would be half a page
is now three pages because fifteen different coaches found fifteen
different ways to break the rules. It's the same thing
with players in the NBA. You give them an inside anything, ah, man,
they're gonna bitch, wine and moan and figure out a
way around. It's just it's and you can't be a
(26:02):
leader when you're giving in, giving in, giving in. I
gotta do is look at what David Stern did for
league and compared to what Adam Silver is doing to
the league, and you see a big difference.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
What happens, what happens when Lebron leaves the league.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't you know. Brad
Underwood said today, he goes, you know what I think
that Cooper Flag could do for the NBA in college?
Actually he said what Caitlin Clark's done, and he was
talking about college. But I guess I equated it to
the NBA. I don't think there's anybody And this I
sound so negative, like I'm listening to myself going damn.
(26:43):
But you know, I guess I would ask anybody out
there you tell me who a likable young star is.
I mean, you know, And one thing about the NBA, man,
and this is weird commercials matter. They don't like Michael
Tracy McGrady was first guy ever saw get a commercial
without ever doing nothing. Used to be you know, bird
(27:04):
and Magic, We're playing Horse and a McDonald's commercial, Michael
Jordan's commercial, Spike Lee legendary, Isaiah with the Converse commercials.
Barkley dudes were fun and they were funny and now
you look at their goofy ass Chad Holger and dressing
like a vampire with you know, I guess Shay Gildens
Alexander and they're like, oh, this is stupid. It's ain't
(27:26):
the NBA to get back. I don't know. I don't
know who. Maybe Webbin Yama, maybe Stephen A. Smith and
the rest are right. You can't have a white born dude,
Yo Kitch or don Chik be the face of the NBA.
I don't know, but O Tommy's the face of Major
League Baseball. Messi's the face of United States soccer pretty much.
You know, Can web and Yama be it? I don't know.
(27:48):
Can can Jokich? Probably? I don't know, But man, right now,
there's not a whole lot of likability among among young
I guess like Anthony Edwards should be. Seems smart, he
got great smile, good looking dude, but acts like an
idiot half the time.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
On the well, two things. One, I don't think he's
good enough. Yeah I agree, And then too, he's talented enough,
but he's not. I mean, there's a different kind of
dynamic there. And the second thing, I don't even say,
he doesn't want to be I don't be the face league.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you want to be Why
wouldn't you want to be the face? Why wouldn't you
want your program to be the face of the Horizon League.
I always like playing in Indianta because we are the
face of the Big ten, and everywhere we went it
was the biggest deal. What do you mean you don't
want to be the face of the league? Facing the
league is Jordan facing the league? Is Magic facing the league?
Is burd facing the league? Is Lebron facing the league
as Kobe. You don't want to be in that? What
(28:39):
do you want to be? Na be Steven Jackson, be
Matt Barnes smoking weed on a podcast? I mean, what
are you doing? Like? That's just stupid to me. I
saw that comment, and I'm thinking I gave him the
benefit of downa Sorry. Dude's like twenty two guy doesn't
know his ass from third base, but he he you know,
but he had one big playoff game, really and next
(29:01):
thing you know, oh man, you know he's gonna act
like an idiot every time he get fined all that
kind of stuff, And he should be the perfect dude.
He is good looking dude when he wants to be.
He's really insightful, pretty smart, kind of likable. But to
your point, I don't want to be the face of
the league where you want to be. You don't want
to be Jordan.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Okay, speaking of Indiana, you were the head coach for
a time at Indiana. He played in Indiana and assistant
coach in Indiana as well. Who best guess who is
next head coach the Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I wish they just higher offer and be done with it,
But everybody's got their opinion. My opinion is that it's
always been that, I mean twenty five years. I don't know.
I think they'll try to get Dusty May. I know
Goodman said that reported that Brad Stevens is out. If
that's true, then they'll probably probably Dusty Mail end up
with a big contract, probably at Michigan. He's going to
(29:53):
Big ten if he wins this weekend. I would think
Beard Beard is a guy that seems to like coach.
I honestly don't know. I really don't, and I do
trust Scott Dowson the a D. I hope they keep
that dumb ass Quinn Buckner out of it. Uh and
the rest of the penny millionaires that run around Indiana
who all apparently get to have a say. Scott Dowson
(30:14):
is a smart kid. I knew him. He was a
manager when I was a senior. He came in as
a as a freshman. I've known him for a hundred
years and he's very smart. He hires sick Natty. I
would like to see Ben McCollum. I mean, Ben McCullum,
and Drake is a terrific, terrific basketball coach. Had a
tough night the other night. But all the dude's done
is win four national championships at Division two. His team
(30:34):
he lost everybody the freeze, took everybody to West Virginia.
And he's twenty three and four or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I mean he has he does have like two six
years that played for him, two fifth years.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I don't, Doug, I ain't argue with you, man. I
played here, I mean week a long assy coaching. Yeah,
that might be the best guy. I'm not listening to
anybody about Indiana that much.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
No, no, no, I'm talking about it. I'm talking about Ben McCullum.
Actually actually just coast him.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
There is no I don't care, there's nobody I'm talking about. Uh,
two about Indiana. He is, my opinion, among the three
or four best coaches in the country. I don't care
who he has, and I would love to see him
be the coach in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Everybody is Yeah, I'm just I was just correctly pointing
out that, like he does have a team, he's coached
those dudes for some of those guys for five years.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The challenge for him would be in the landscape of
can you do it without the cohesion?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah? Yeah, the challenge for this guy to challenge I've
heard it all. Nobody knows more about this than me.
I'm just gonna say it on national radio. I'm listening
to everybody's opinion. This guy, that guy, he would be
a great coach in Indiana. And those are his guys. Yes,
he coaches, but they weren't Division.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
One guys, no question.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
The Division one guys. That's one of the two or
three best coaches I've seen in college bass potball. And
that's all my fatass does is watch college basketball. Are great?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
All right, We'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Okay, all right, Sorry if I offended you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You didn't offend me. I was actually agreeing with you.
Bob budgets contextualized. That's Dan dockets. Don't at me on OutKick.
I just you know Ben McCollum as the head coach
of Drake for people to know he wasn't he was
at Northwest Missouri State. They won four national titles. We
played against him. He's they're really good, really really good,
and we were, you know, down three starters and it
(32:32):
was somehow a miracle. That thing was like a we lost,
I think by eight, but it was a two point
game with you know, foreign change to go. So but
he's he's tremendous. The challenge for McCollum would be, you
step up in weight class. His point guard is good
enough to play at Indiana or anywhere in the country,
(32:52):
is really good. But you'd have all new guys and
when you're used to having continuity every year, like even Bill.
So look at how much they are struggling when you
go into the portal and you're not used to recruiting
that way. Yes, uh yes, Sam.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
You and Ben McCollum, you you guys related kind of
look alike. I see look at Ben McCollum, like there's
shades of Doug Gottliebs there.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Got white guys. We were seeding hairlines.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I don't know, just like the the your your.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
White guys, we were seeding hairlines. That's what it is.
I don't know. It's more than that.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
It's like, what do you call it? Your your your
generally people prom you have a complexion that similar to
Ben mccau.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Prom, Matt and NATO's yep prom. Yes.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
When prum was that I was stated, I was like,
definitely shades of Doug Gottlieb. Also Ben McCollum.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Born Rome was at Missouri back at Murray State.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Murray State.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Yeah, and he's is he back there? Yeah, yes, Murray State.
I was state back to Murray State. Yes, yes, yes,
quite the he did. He did pretty good at ioa stage.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Just you know, different, incredible, Yeah, Alzburger.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
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Speaker 2 (34:02):
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day at this time. We like to kind of peruse
all of the different sports on the landscape. We do
so by playing a game.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Hello, Monsie, what's the game? Today.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
What's up, coach, Well, it's hump days.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
So what are we playing? Sam?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
For better or worse?
Speaker 8 (34:28):
So you're gonna tell me between two options, what's better,
what's worse?
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So for better or worse?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Auburn men's hoops or Florida's men's hoops.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh, I'll go with Auburn. They just went in and
beat Alabama at Alabama.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
All right, easy enough, we're gonna keep it in hoops here.
But now to the NBA for Better or worse? See
if you've changed your mind. The Oklahoma City Thunder or
the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Oh oh, let me see the thunder with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Uh,
I'm gonna say the the Thunder, the Thunder, the Thunder.
I know that neither have had a ton of playoff success,
A little bit more on on the Cleveland Cavaliers side,
(35:21):
but I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go the Thunder.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Giving the Thunder the edge. I think I would too. Yeah,
we'll see how this second half plays out. All right,
let's go to the NFL for Better or worse, just
for this upcoming twenty twenty five season, Sam Donald or
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm gonna go, Sam Donald, Sam.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
Donald, Yeah, we just done with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No, I just again, I think Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, but
a little bit over the hill. Yeah, and Sam Donald
finally recaptured his confidence.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aaron Rodgers definitely let me down anyway. Okay,
are better or worse three on three basketball or one
on one basketball?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Like on you think three on three is better.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Just because I don't like any of them, like I
have on five basketball, But three on three we do
three on three a lot in practice. Really, you don't
think three on three we do fever rules and stuff.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
It's pretty cool, is one on one?
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Just because you don't think the skills set necessarily is
showing properly.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Will do one on one, but it's like one on
one one dribble, one on one, two dribble. Whatever.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
See what you're saying. Yeah, probably, yes, yeah, that makes
perfect sense, all right? For better or worse the Dodgers
or the Mets.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
The Dodgers are the Mets.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
The Dodgers the Dodgers, right, yeah, yeah by a long shot.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, Like almost feel like this is a trick question.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Well no, I mean kind of, but not really.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
I mean the Mets are expected to do well Juan Soto,
you know, I mean it's just one player, but yeah,
Wan Soda is supposed to He thinks they're going to
win the World Series.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
There, that's why he went to the Mets.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
He said, that's why he didn't stay with the Yankees,
because he thought the Mets had a more realistic chance
of winning the World Series.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
Yeah, I think Yeah, No, him and Kevin Durant are
just talking.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
They're just they're just saying things to say things exactly.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
They're just saying things to say things, all right.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
So, for better or worse, coach Anthony Roy or Bronnie James.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So my player who is leading the countchery and scoring
with Bronnie James is in the jilly correct. We talked
about this yesterday. Anthony Roy is better than Bronnie James.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
He is killing it. He was killing it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, he hasn't played in two and a half months
because he had a lower leg injury, but he was.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
He was killing it.
Speaker 8 (37:55):
Yeah, and how is that injury close?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You know, I don't know, you know, like speaking like
a true coach. No, I'm just you know, it's like hipwai,
like you can't talk about somebody's injuries.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
I see, I see.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Really it is not clear to return to practice.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Yet, not clear to return to practice yet. Interesting. I
didn't even think of that.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
As a coach, the responsibility you have for that, Yeah,
we didn't even think about it. All right, quick, It's
National Chocolate Mint Day, so for better or worse, chocolate
mint or just milk chocolate.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I don't like milk chocolate, so it'd be chocolate mint.
But even that would be far behind dark chocolate and oreos,
you know, like any type of cookies and cream. All right,
that's all right. Coming on next to The Doug Gottlieb Show,
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good good. You know, it's interesting. I've been on the
road recruiting the last two days and uh I heard
a quote from Dion Sanders and I you know, yesterday
we played a quote from Rick Patino and Jay Stuke
kind of like, hey, do kids these days like to
(01:01):
be coached this way? And I think common misconception is
that all kids in two thousand and twenty five are
soft and that they can't motivate them and challenging their
manhood doesn't work anymore. Look, there are things that don't
work that used to work. There are ways to do
it that you can't do it. But depending on the
(01:23):
messengers the message it can be received. And the more
that I read about my jobs and how I do
my coaching job, the more I and I see people
or read people's reaction to it, the more I realize
they don't actually know how anything works. They just don't
have zero clue, which is okay, it's probably our job,
(01:46):
especially as a broadcaster, and it's one of the things
that's bothered me for a long time about so many
broadcasters is they literally have no idea how it actually works.
So this was Dion Sanders when he was asked about
a story that he doesn't do in person recruiting. Here's
his response.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I don't go to nobody's school and nobody houses.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
I'm not doing that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
I'm too old to be going to some high school
and somebody else.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
All the kids that I'm recruiting, matter of fact, they're
in the portal. They've grown men with kids. They ain'tn'na
need me to come around. They crib and try to
convince them to come play for me.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
No, And so I think it's really interesting, right, Like
Patino came out last week and said, we're not recruiting
any high school kids, you know, and I we have
a couple of high school kids coming in. I really
like them, but I also know that they're coming in.
You know, two of the three we've taken coming in
(02:38):
with the idea of they don't have high expectations of
playing right away. It's really hard to conceptualize them playing
at eighteen years old when next year, you know a
lot of guys are going to be twenty four to
twenty five years old still in college basketball. But do
you have to go in person? No, no, I'm doing
(02:59):
I haven't done an in home visit. In mind now,
he's been on the job for more time than I have,
obviously going back to Jackson State. But you know, yesterday
I talked to a family that's in Little Rock, Arkansas.
I couldn't get there because the weather conditions, but one
of my assistants was able to get there. You know,
we're able to get to most places, but especially with
(03:20):
the portal, it doesn't usually work in face to face
outside of them coming on campus. It would sound to
some as if he's lazy, but the fact is he's not.
He already has his kind of quarterback of the future.
He is deon standers, and I'm sure as much as
he's not going to anybody's home now, if there was
a player he really really wanted and the family just
(03:43):
wanted to meet Dion, I'm sure that can be arranged.
He just hasn't been to that point just yet because well,
his two best players were his son and Travis Hunter,
who are exceptionally close, and obviously he followed him from
Jackson State to Colorado. But the more I hear this
and I see people pushing back about what Dion isn't doing,
(04:03):
they actually don't understand how it works, how it works
for us. For example, you know, I sent my two
more experienced recruiters on the road and they've gone out.
They've been gone to what we're gone for two straight weeks.
One is gone this week, another one's been gone for
(04:25):
another week and a half. Outside of that, just to
see guys in person, and there are players that in
basketball I want to see them in person. You know,
I can't see guys that will be in the portal
in person. I can watch them on a computer program
called Synergy, where I can watch every play, every possession,
every mistake, every successful play period. I can talk to
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lots of people, and sometimes you do need to get
to know the people around them to know what kind
of kid you are getting, especially when you don't have
a lot of time to decide. But at the end
of the day, once we get to taking some poor kids,
and we will take some, it is you do not
have a lot of time. Kid appears in the portal.
(05:06):
There's different programs that can tell you what the valuation
is as a player and and what level they can
play at. And that also helps you establish sort of
valuation for what you would be willing to pay for
such a player. If you have to pay for the player,
you don't have to pay for everybody. Also a column misconception,
(05:27):
but all these things are kind of like factored in.
And yeah, when you're in the portal, you're not doing
in home and in home visits, you're not doing in
person visits. Does that surprise you?
Speaker 5 (05:37):
Just do? I guess it does. It doesn't surprise me
that Dion doesn't, but it does surprise me. I think
that there's a I still think there's a personal touch.
I think a lot of business nowadays, especially since the pandemic,
a lot of a lot of businesses are kind of
cutting down on travel costs and whatnot. But I just
(06:00):
think that there is a value in speaking human to
human to somebody in person.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So there there is. But again, let's look at the
reality of if you're Don, Okay, when the portal opens,
you have you know, mere hours to really kind of
decide if you're going to offer somebody. There's something, ever,
that we call the dark portal, which is rumors and
stories and agents and other runners, you know, going, hey,
this guy's gonna be in the portal. That guy's going
(06:28):
to be in the portal. And while we don't operate
in the dark portal, a lot of people do, and
they believe that getting ahead is what's important. So you
don't have a lot of time to decide if you're
gonna take or not take a kid. The recruitment process
is so fast that imagine if you're Don and you're like, Okay,
I'm gonna go see this lineman in Texas. Well, then
(06:49):
if you don't go see the lineman in California, I
saw the lineman in Texas, or you couldn't see the
lineman in Utah because he's still on campus at the
University of Utah or something like that. You can't do it.
There's just a reality to it. When you're in the portal,
you can't you very likely can't do all those things.
And if you go and see one, well then you
gotta go see all of them. So I do think
(07:09):
there's a little bit of genius to it, even if
he's acting like he's just too old to be doing
that stuff.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yeah, I mean when you laid out that way, I
guess that the transfer portal has changed everything. And I
will say this too now that I think about it.
If somebody like text or something and is like, let's
get together for coffee, you immediately think, man, that's an inconvenience.
Why why can't we just talk on the phone or text.
But then after you're done meeting with somebody.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Like that was great or something so glad that we will,
you know, So there's something to it. Listen, I'm I'm I.
When when I got the job, you know this, I
got my car on a Friday and I was going
to drive to every player within driving distance that was
in the portal. Uh for a great bay. There are
eight players you know one guy was like, coach them out.
(07:55):
Another guy I didn't have to go drive to see
he recommitted, and I saw the other six and was
it four of which came back. So I end up
with five. Right, So I agree with you on the
personal touch, But I'm telling you the reality of Dion
is it's really hard, really hard. It kind of impossible
(08:16):
to go and meet. And if you go do it
for one and you're Dion Sanders, then if you don't
go do it for everybody, then you're like, well, hold on, Prime,
you're gonna go to this dude's house. You're not gonna
go to my house. So that's like the old child
rowing line, don't do once, which you wouldn't be willing
to do a thousand times. But if he does want
(08:37):
the kid, Dion Sanders showing up at the right kid's house,
oh my gosh, no chance he doesn't get him.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
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Jay Stu, this is Kevin rant On not want to
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Golden State to finish up the season. People talk crazy
about me all the time. That's not the reason why
I didn't want to come back. I just didn't want
(09:16):
to get traded mid way through the season. Tryan explained
it was nothing against my time with the Warriors, or
I've heard is because I don't like Draymond. At the
end of the day, I just didn't want to move.
I wanted to see it through with my team in
Phoenix and we'll see what we could do the rest
of the season. So I'm glad I'm still here. Jacetu.
How long have you lived at your place?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
My current place? What about three years?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Okay? And then how long have you lived in that
general vicinity?
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Let's see, I've lived in the Los Angeles metropolitan area
for what.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
No, but I mean you're like, you're a good ways
north of the station. You're probably fifty minutes from downtown,
like in that area of Los Angeles. How long have you.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
Lived I don't know, twenty some odd years, okay?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
You've always been in the valley, per se or somewhere
in the valley.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Uh No, I was on the west side, spent some
time down in Orange County.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, so for people who don't know, like Orange County
and where you live, now, that's a good almost two
hours apart. Right, that's an actually legit move. It's a
legit move. Don't get me wrong. All the brands are
the same, right, It's not like you need a new
brand of grocery store, new brand of workout place, whatever
it is different. Uh Sam, How about you? How long
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have you lived to your current current location?
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Current location about one year actually coming up pretty much
a year on the dot.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And then when did you move out to Los Angeles?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
The pretty much the end of twenty fifteen, so and
it's a decade.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Did you enjoy the movie? Like was it? Is that
the only move in your life from Iowa to LA Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:02):
I mean I went to University of Vermont for one semester.
So you're not moving like a bunch of furniture and stuff.
You're moving your personal items. And but then I lived,
I lived with my sister, not really lived, but I
was with you know, my sister. Uh doing an internship
in Philadelphia for like two months, but that doesn't really count.
So yeah, really, LA's been my biggest.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Move Montale about you, how much have you moved around?
Speaker 7 (11:26):
Not a lot? Not a lot.
Speaker 8 (11:27):
I'm an La girl pretty much my whole life. I've
lived like a couple of months in New York for school,
but just like a summer, So not a lot.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
So do you guys like the idea of moving or
not like the idea of moving.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
I don't like the idea of moving because I don't
want to pack anything and then unpack.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
No moving jobs. You don't have to pack.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Moving just sucks.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Moving's the worst. Moving's worse than public speaking, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You don't like public speaking.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Well, I'm saying I never shut up on the radio.
I like talking on the radio.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, listen, Can I get a little stair drop on
that one? Come on, I don't.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
We're on the radio. So moving compared to talking on
the radio and aka public speaking is a breeze compared
to moving.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I don't think public speaking. I don't. I don't think
when you say public speaking, that's not well speaking the
radio is not published.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
I'll just say this though, when you know you're talking
from the nation. You go up in front of a
couple hundred people to talk. It's much easier than not
having that radio experience and trying to do.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
That, No question, I think it helps. So you guys
don't like I love moving.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
What it's the worst?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
What do you love about it?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I just love new stuff, you know. I just I
remember I was the ESPN for nine years. I loved
being an ESPN. You know, there are lots of people.
I know it's different than now than it was then.
I loved every minute of the nine years there not.
But I remember I was driving he stood driving this
road called Huckleberry Hill. First I was on Jerome because
it was in Burlington first three years, and I was
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in Canton for six years, so it just across the river,
and I would drive out Huckleberry Hill every day. It
was this beautiful drive in the fall. There's an apple tree.
I'd stop, I'd get apples and eat them on the
way to work. It was like amazing. But I just
remember thinking, like, how many years? Was six straight years
driving the exact same route to work. That's a lot.
It's a lot of time, right, And then when I
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was at at Fox. Granted, I lived in I don't know,
three or four different homes in the Newport Beach area,
but I it was the same drive, you know, like
I'm going up to four or five every single day.
I I like, I don't know, I like change.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
It sounds like you like we were talking about the
act of moving, packing your crap up, you know, getting
the logistics of it, getting yourself to wherever your new
home is.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You listen, I still haven't done. I still have Wisconsin,
I still have a California driver's license. I haven't There's
a bunch of stuff I haven't done. I'm terrible at it.
I mean, that's the best thing. But when you take
the ESPN job, is they just they onboard you. They
do everything. You don't even pick up anything in your house.
You just like, hey, make sure it's relatively clean. They
pack all your stuff.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
That's nice. That makes it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Now they take it out of your check. Right, there's
a credit whatever in tax on the credit. But the
point is that's the way to move. But in the
act of actually moving and changing places is nice.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
Yeah, it's it's good for the soul.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Right, So I but I think Kevin RAN's like yeah,
I've done that. It's the middle of the year. It's
too hard. I don't want to move. Do you want to, like, Yeah,
we could not win there, we could not win here.
Devil you know, devil you know, I don't know. I
kinda I kind of buy it. And and and the
one thing about KD is he's never been somebody who's
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bisD us the any anytime k D has gotten into trouble,
he's got in trouble for being too honest. Right. Yes,
So when he says, hey, I didn't want to move,
I don't want to leave my team. I want to
see this thing through. We'll figure out in the off season.
I don't think he's telling a half truth. I think
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he's telling the actual truth.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I think we said yesterday what he did. He had
that Twitter exchange with with somebody yesterday where he said
a lot of truthful things. I thought maybe he was
over overtruthful for the NBA's purpose. But I said that
he's had his career. He's a guy who's had his career.
He's got a ton of money in the bank. He's
gonna go into the Hall of Fame as soon as
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he stops playing. And waits a necessary time. So it's
like everything he says now I see through that filter,
like he's had his career, like he's good. I don't
get I don't get this urgency to like, you know,
chase a ring or anything. He just likes to ball
and they'll try to make as much money as he
can before he leaves.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, that's exactly who he is. S Doug Gottlieb Show.
You're on Fox Sports Radio speaking of coach uh uh,
longtime college basketball coach and college basketball all ast, the
host of Don't at Me, Dan Docketts will join us.
Uh momentarily, we'll do the coach to coach thing. Uh.
That's we'll do the coach coach to coach thing. Colle
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each other, coach, you call each other coach, Hey, coach.
It's the best thing. It's the it's the hey dude
of sports. And by that, I mean, you know you
don't know somebody's name. Hey, Hey, hey dude, what up?
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Hey man? How are you bro? What's up? Dude? Now
I just go hey, coach, Hey, coach. I'm not actually
a coach anywhere, that's okay. I just call everybody coach.
It's the it's the sports expression of hey, dude.
Speaker 6 (16:15):
It's the maestro from Seinfeld. Yes, the guys like the
composer or the conductor of like a military band. And
then it's like, no, please refer to me as maestro.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Did uh? Did you guys see what happened at the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game last night? So the
end of the Illinois Wisconsin game, the teams line up
and Brad Underwoods bred Underwoods, coach of Illinois. They get
beat at Wisconsin, and he goes and says something to
Greg Guard's, head coach of Wisconsin, and he's and they're like,
we're not shaking hands. We'll just do the NBA Like hey,
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you know, goodbye, you know. So then Underwood goes to
the podium and they ask him about it. He's like, no, look,
we've we get the flu running through our team, so
the last thing we want to do is get somebody
else sick, prodibly thoughtful.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
They already lost to him. It's like why why you know?
Wisconsin is having their best offensive output since like the seventies,
So they're yeah, no, they're incredible, they're incredible scoring the ball.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I got a kid. The guy John Tanji was probably
a big big tem player of the year transfer. You know,
this is sixth year. You know he started at Colorada
State and then he was at he was at Missouri
last year. But John Tanji was on the freshman B
team when he was a freshman high school in Omaha,
Nebraska to now being big tem play of the year
Like talk about improvement. But yeah, I just I do
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wonder if it was your rival, if you I he
was like your our tribal, would you do that? Like
would Illinois do that too? Ohio State or Northwestern? Like
I don't know, it's diabolical, but like, hey, I don't
want to get just sick.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Would Minnesota do that? Wisconsin or vice versa?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Right, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
That would be a little you know, we talk about rivalries.
That would be a little bit too much like bio warfare.
I think in the college ranks.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, what if it was by a Like what if
he played a team like upcoming in two weeks You're like, hey, guys, listen,
wipe your nose, get some boogies on it, shake their hands,
and we'll see em in two weeks in their coffee
in season. That would be diabolical. Wouldn't it.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Trying to gain an edge, you know, only goes so far.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I think I where is the cutoff? And listen, if
they didn't get their flu shots, that's on them.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
We are in the cold and flu season.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm not allowed to mandate my guys getting their flu shots,
but I remind them on a daily basis. Hey, if
you go right down the hall, they will give you
a flu shot for free. Just got it.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Athletes are also just like just because they're always working
out and they take care of themselves, like their immune
systems are already fantastic.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
They are. But like we had, you know, our starting center.
He got strep and the flu testa posit for both
two weeks ago. So then you know he didn't play
well that weekend. They're like, why didn't play well? I
was like, well, because he didn't practice all week because
he was in bed because he was super sick. So
but you know, you can't tell anybody that.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
You just go like, eh, good on Brad Underwood though,
that was consciou that's a solid interesting to do.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, it's a solid move. Hey, no, I'm sick, can't
shake your hand. We can do the elbow thing. You
guys want to do the elbow thing. No, no, but
thing with his wave? What's his wave? Well wave?
Speaker 6 (19:09):
What is?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
What is? What is your limit for when you will
limit human contact? Like do you actually have to feel bad?
Have you felt bad? Do you feel like your symptoms
are gone? For me, I never get sick, so it's
not usually an issue for me. I'm also a big
hand washer because I do shake a lot of hands.
But it does annoy me when people are clearly sick
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and they're like sitting next to you sneezing, Like, dude,
go somewhere else, Go somewhere else. Stan Dockets share with us.
I think he is Dan Dockets hosts don't at me
on OutKick every day. He joins in the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Pretty solid. You had Brad
Underwood on today, right, He was pretty solid of him
to not shake hands because he didn't want to get
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Wisconsin sick.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Yeah, I mean you're coaching, you know. I mean it's
one of those I remember asking a long time ago
Joey Meyer when he was at the Paul what's the
hardest thing about coach hit to Paul and he said,
we always get sick. I said, what do you mean.
He goes, well, we gotta go practice. They didn't have
a practice, silly, They got to go up north the
practice at the Rose Month and come back, get out
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of the carget in the car and you get sick.
So yeah, I know what it was great. He's like, look,
we are sick as hell. And he went through all
of it, and then Doug he's like, I don't want
to spread it to the other team, so I told
or he told Greg Guard and then you know, people
made a little bit of a deal on it because
that's what people do. But no, it was a good
movie and they you know, according to Brady, they're bad sick,
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like this has been going on for a few weeks
and hopefully they get through it. But you understand it.
I mean, it's crazy how much you're together. One guy
gets sick, everybody gets sick. It's bad.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is bad, and they can go through, go through
the team, and then it gets and you know, he's like,
why isn't that team any good? Like, yeah, they're all
sick just right.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I tried to cancel the game one time. We couldn't play.
I couldn't practice for three days. I think guys puking.
We're playing Northern Illinois, and I'm like, can we move
the game a day or something? Because you know it
wasn't really on TV and now we got to play.
I'm like, all right, we got our ass beat. And
I couldn't even get mad after the game because I
didn't even know if we're gonna have five guys. You know,
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every coach you know has a story like that. At
some point you could coach long enough.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You know, there's obviously a lot of talk post All
Star games, Like every year post All Star Game, we
can plain Altar game stinks. I haven't watched it in
years because we all know it stinks. But I would
also tell you that Major League Baseball's All Star Game
isn't entertaining anymore. Pro Bowl is no longer a football game,
not entertaining anymore. What what's happened to? Why aren't All
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Star games important to the players anymore?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think they don't have pride in it anymore. You know,
back one hundred years ago, Pete Rose runs over Ray Foster.
I remember that like it was yesterday. I said this
on both of my shows. To it until you get
player pride in this until you get people that are
just doing with the hot key players say, you know,
they look pride for each other, pride and playing for
you know, a uniform. If I'm gonna put a uniform on,
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I'm gonna play hard. That kind of thing. I think
that is totally completely lost. I do, and I I
look at the NBA and there's a podcast, it's kind
of an interesting podcast up in Smoke, Matt Barnes and
Steven Jackson. And when they interview guys that aren't Isaiah
Thomas or Magic, and you realize how whacked out these
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NBA players are, what clowns and fools they are. And
now you know, I mean the Isaiahs, the Jordans, the Birds,
the Magic, the create that pride, you know these guys.
When when you hear Barnes and Jackson interview people, it's like, well,
these guys are just a bunch of dumbasses that smoke
weeds during the season, drink act like idiots, and you know,
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and that's what the NBA too, people have become. And
it's them telling their stories. You know, you hear Isaiah
or you hear oh what was it? You know, hey, look,
we're not gonna let Kobe embarrass Michael in his last
All Star game. You know, we're not gonna let that happen.
That is not happening. Kobe's this young kid. He ain't
getting forty, you know, against us in the locker room here,
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Isaiah tell those stories or you hear Bird tell those stories,
or whoever, And that's pride. You just the NBA. I'm
not gonna tell you. I don't know the reason. Maybe
it's money, maybe it's popularity, maybe it's I have no idea,
but man, I'm always fascinated with all these podcasts out
to listen to them, and it's like from the time
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Jordan that crew got done, maybe early two thousands, through
the whatever. It's not the stars, it's the fringe guys
that are kind of good enough, that are pains in
the ass, like a Barnes, like a Jackson, and you
see these other guys on there, and you're like, well, man,
the NBA was a mess, and then I think the
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current players have just taken that and made it more
lase fair. I don't know. That's a long answer to
saying I don't know, but it's it's like porn, right.
The Supreme Court justice can't define it, but I know
it when I see it. There's a hell and a
lack of pride there.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I would, I would, I would agree with you. I
agree with you. How much is the commissioner to play?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yeah, I think he stinks. You know, everybody loves him
because he's the woe guy. But Doug, when you players
always always take kindness as weakness, like the commissioner is
gonna leave all this stuff to the players. Really, we're
gonna give into the players on every issue. Really, David
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Stern didn't build the league that way. David sternbruled with
an iron fish. You're gonna dress a certain way, You're
gonna talk a certain way. The coaches are gonna address
a certain way. You know, you get out of hand
with the officials. It wasn't ahead of officials that called you.
It was David Stern that called you. You act like
an idiot in the press commons. It wasn't your GM,
it was David Stern to call you. Now, this guy
he's given into everything, and you can't give in the players.
(24:57):
You can never get coach. Now, you said best, I
give in the players on things I don't care about. Hey, man,
you guys want to go eat at the Big Wheel
or you want to eat at Butterfields. All right, hey man,
you guys want practice at eight, you want practice at ten.
Things you don't really care about. You don't give in
the players unimportant issues ever, under no circumstance. And you know,
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in this woke whatever you want to call it era
player empowerment, he did, he does and players don't stop. Man.
It's like always said about the NC double A rule book.
You know, guys, bitchhind them on about the NC double
A rule book being so thick back in death. It
ain't the rules, it's the coaches that learn to break
the rules. And now you got to put a bunch
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of a deadments in or amendments in, and next thing,
you know, one rule that would be half a page
is now three pages because fifteen different coaches found fifteen
different ways to break the rules. It's the same thing
with players in the NBA. You give them an inside anything, ah, man,
they're gonna bitch, wine and moan and figure out a
way around. It's just it's and you can't be a
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leader when you're giving in, giving in, giving in. I
gotta do is look at what David Stern did for
league and compared to what Adam Silver is doing to
the league, and you see a big difference.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
What happens, what happens when Lebron leaves the league.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't you know. Brad
Underwood said today, he goes, you know what I think
that Cooper Flag could do for the NBA in college?
Actually he said what Caitlin Clark's done, and he was
talking about college. But I guess I equated it to
the NBA. I don't think there's anybody And this I
sound so negative, like I'm listening to myself going damn.
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But you know, I guess I would ask anybody out
there you tell me who a likable young star is.
I mean, you know, And one thing about the NBA, man,
and this is weird commercials matter. They don't like Michael
Tracy McGrady was first guy ever saw get a commercial
without ever doing nothing. Used to be you know, bird
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and Magic, We're playing Horse and a McDonald's commercial, Michael
Jordan's commercial, Spike Lee legendary, Isaiah with the Converse commercials.
Barkley dudes were fun and they were funny and now
you look at their goofy ass Chad Holger and dressing
like a vampire with you know, I guess Shay Gildens
Alexander and they're like, oh, this is stupid. It's ain't
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the NBA to get back. I don't know. I don't
know who. Maybe Webbin Yama, maybe Stephen A. Smith and
the rest are right. You can't have a white born dude,
Yo Kitch or don Chik be the face of the NBA.
I don't know, but O Tommy's the face of Major
League Baseball. Messi's the face of United States soccer pretty much.
You know, Can web and Yama be it? I don't know.
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Can can Jokich? Probably? I don't know, But man, right now,
there's not a whole lot of likability among among young
I guess like Anthony Edwards should be. Seems smart, he
got great smile, good looking dude, but acts like an
idiot half the time.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
On the well, two things. One, I don't think he's
good enough. Yeah I agree, And then too, he's talented enough,
but he's not. I mean, there's a different kind of
dynamic there. And the second thing, I don't even say,
he doesn't want to be I don't be the face league.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean, why wouldn't you want to be Why
wouldn't you want to be the face? Why wouldn't you
want your program to be the face of the Horizon League.
I always like playing in Indianta because we are the
face of the Big ten, and everywhere we went it
was the biggest deal. What do you mean you don't
want to be the face of the league? Facing the
league is Jordan facing the league? Is Magic facing the league?
Is burd facing the league? Is Lebron facing the league
as Kobe. You don't want to be in that? What
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do you want to be? Na be Steven Jackson, be
Matt Barnes smoking weed on a podcast? I mean, what
are you doing? Like? That's just stupid to me. I
saw that comment, and I'm thinking I gave him the
benefit of downa Sorry. Dude's like twenty two guy doesn't
know his ass from third base, but he he you know,
but he had one big playoff game, really and next
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thing you know, oh man, you know he's gonna act
like an idiot every time he get fined all that
kind of stuff, And he should be the perfect dude.
He is good looking dude when he wants to be.
He's really insightful, pretty smart, kind of likable. But to
your point, I don't want to be the face of
the league where you want to be. You don't want
to be Jordan.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Okay, speaking of Indiana, you were the head coach for
a time at Indiana. He played in Indiana and assistant
coach in Indiana as well. Who best guess who is
next head coach the Hoosiers.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I wish they just higher offer and be done with it,
But everybody's got their opinion. My opinion is that it's
always been that, I mean twenty five years. I don't know.
I think they'll try to get Dusty May. I know
Goodman said that reported that Brad Stevens is out. If
that's true, then they'll probably probably Dusty Mail end up
with a big contract, probably at Michigan. He's going to
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Big ten if he wins this weekend. I would think
Beard Beard is a guy that seems to like coach.
I honestly don't know. I really don't, and I do
trust Scott Dowson the a D. I hope they keep
that dumb ass Quinn Buckner out of it. Uh and
the rest of the penny millionaires that run around Indiana
who all apparently get to have a say. Scott Dowson
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is a smart kid. I knew him. He was a
manager when I was a senior. He came in as
a as a freshman. I've known him for a hundred
years and he's very smart. He hires sick Natty. I
would like to see Ben McCollum. I mean, Ben McCullum,
and Drake is a terrific, terrific basketball coach. Had a
tough night the other night. But all the dude's done
is win four national championships at Division two. His team
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he lost everybody the freeze, took everybody to West Virginia.
And he's twenty three and four or something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I mean he has he does have like two six
years that played for him, two fifth years.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
I don't, Doug, I ain't argue with you, man. I
played here, I mean week a long assy coaching. Yeah,
that might be the best guy. I'm not listening to
anybody about Indiana that much.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
No, no, no, I'm talking about it. I'm talking about Ben McCullum.
Actually actually just coast him.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
There is no I don't care, there's nobody I'm talking about. Uh,
two about Indiana. He is, my opinion, among the three
or four best coaches in the country. I don't care
who he has, and I would love to see him
be the coach in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Everybody is Yeah, I'm just I was just correctly pointing
out that, like he does have a team, he's coached
those dudes for some of those guys for five years.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
The challenge for him would be in the landscape of
can you do it without the cohesion?
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah? Yeah, the challenge for this guy to challenge I've
heard it all. Nobody knows more about this than me.
I'm just gonna say it on national radio. I'm listening
to everybody's opinion. This guy, that guy, he would be
a great coach in Indiana. And those are his guys. Yes,
he coaches, but they weren't Division.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
One guys, no question.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
The Division one guys. That's one of the two or
three best coaches I've seen in college bass potball. And
that's all my fatass does is watch college basketball. Are great?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
All right, We'll talk to you next time.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Okay, all right, Sorry if I offended you.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You didn't offend me. I was actually agreeing with you.
Bob budgets contextualized. That's Dan dockets. Don't at me on OutKick.
I just you know Ben McCollum as the head coach
of Drake for people to know he wasn't he was
at Northwest Missouri State. They won four national titles. We
played against him. He's they're really good, really really good,
and we were, you know, down three starters and it
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was somehow a miracle. That thing was like a we lost,
I think by eight, but it was a two point
game with you know, foreign change to go. So but
he's he's tremendous. The challenge for McCollum would be, you
step up in weight class. His point guard is good
enough to play at Indiana or anywhere in the country,
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is really good. But you'd have all new guys and
when you're used to having continuity every year, like even Bill.
So look at how much they are struggling when you
go into the portal and you're not used to recruiting
that way. Yes, uh yes, Sam.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
You and Ben McCollum, you you guys related kind of
look alike. I see look at Ben McCollum, like there's
shades of Doug Gottliebs there.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Got white guys. We were seeding hairlines.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
I don't know, just like the the your your.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
White guys, we were seeding hairlines. That's what it is.
I don't know. It's more than that.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
It's like, what do you call it? Your your your
generally people prom you have a complexion that similar to
Ben mccau.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Prom, Matt and NATO's yep prom. Yes.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
When prum was that I was stated, I was like,
definitely shades of Doug Gottlieb. Also Ben McCollum.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Born Rome was at Missouri back at Murray State.
Speaker 5 (33:40):
Murray State.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Yeah, and he's is he back there? Yeah, yes, Murray State.
I was state back to Murray State. Yes, yes, yes,
quite the he did. He did pretty good at ioa stage.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Just you know, different, incredible, Yeah, Alzburger.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Stuck Got Leap Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio every
day at this time. We like to kind of peruse
all of the different sports on the landscape. We do
so by playing a game.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Hello, Monsie, what's the game? Today.
Speaker 8 (34:22):
What's up, coach, Well, it's hump days.
Speaker 7 (34:24):
So what are we playing? Sam?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
For better or worse?
Speaker 8 (34:28):
So you're gonna tell me between two options, what's better,
what's worse?
Speaker 7 (34:33):
So for better or worse?
Speaker 8 (34:36):
Auburn men's hoops or Florida's men's hoops.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Oh, I'll go with Auburn. They just went in and
beat Alabama at Alabama.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
All right, easy enough, we're gonna keep it in hoops here.
But now to the NBA for Better or worse? See
if you've changed your mind. The Oklahoma City Thunder or
the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Oh oh, let me see the thunder with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Uh,
I'm gonna say the the Thunder, the Thunder, the Thunder.
I know that neither have had a ton of playoff success,
A little bit more on on the Cleveland Cavaliers side,
(35:21):
but I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go the Thunder.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Giving the Thunder the edge. I think I would too. Yeah,
we'll see how this second half plays out. All right,
let's go to the NFL for Better or worse, just
for this upcoming twenty twenty five season, Sam Donald or
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I'm gonna go, Sam Donald, Sam.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
Donald, Yeah, we just done with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
No, I just again, I think Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, but
a little bit over the hill. Yeah, and Sam Donald
finally recaptured his confidence.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aaron Rodgers definitely let me down anyway. Okay,
are better or worse three on three basketball or one
on one basketball?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Like on you think three on three is better.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Just because I don't like any of them, like I
have on five basketball, But three on three we do
three on three a lot in practice. Really, you don't
think three on three we do fever rules and stuff.
Speaker 7 (36:22):
It's pretty cool, is one on one?
Speaker 8 (36:24):
Just because you don't think the skills set necessarily is
showing properly.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Will do one on one, but it's like one on
one one dribble, one on one, two dribble. Whatever.
Speaker 7 (36:32):
But yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
See what you're saying. Yeah, probably, yes, yeah, that makes
perfect sense, all right? For better or worse the Dodgers
or the Mets.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
The Dodgers are the Mets.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
The Dodgers the Dodgers, right, yeah, yeah by a long shot.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah, Like almost feel like this is a trick question.
Speaker 7 (36:57):
Well no, I mean kind of, but not really.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
I mean the Mets are expected to do well Juan Soto,
you know, I mean it's just one player, but yeah,
Wan Soda is supposed to He thinks they're going to
win the World Series.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
There, that's why he went to the Mets.
Speaker 8 (37:11):
He said, that's why he didn't stay with the Yankees,
because he thought the Mets had a more realistic chance
of winning the World Series.
Speaker 7 (37:20):
Yeah, I think Yeah, No, him and Kevin Durant are
just talking.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
They're just they're just saying things to say things exactly.
Speaker 7 (37:31):
They're just saying things to say things, all right.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
So, for better or worse, coach Anthony Roy or Bronnie James.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
So my player who is leading the countchery and scoring
with Bronnie James is in the jilly correct. We talked
about this yesterday. Anthony Roy is better than Bronnie James.
Speaker 7 (37:49):
He is killing it. He was killing it.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, he hasn't played in two and a half months
because he had a lower leg injury, but he was.
Speaker 7 (37:55):
He was killing it.
Speaker 8 (37:55):
Yeah, and how is that injury close?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
You know, I don't know, you know, like speaking like
a true coach. No, I'm just you know, it's like hipwai,
like you can't talk about somebody's injuries.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
I see, I see.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Really it is not clear to return to practice.
Speaker 7 (38:11):
Yet, not clear to return to practice yet. Interesting. I
didn't even think of that.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
As a coach, the responsibility you have for that, Yeah,
we didn't even think about it. All right, quick, It's
National Chocolate Mint Day, so for better or worse, chocolate
mint or just milk chocolate.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I don't like milk chocolate, so it'd be chocolate mint.
But even that would be far behind dark chocolate and oreos,
you know, like any type of cookies and cream. All right,
that's all right. Coming on next to The Doug Gottlieb Show,
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