June 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew discuss whether or not they are rooting for a Canadian team to win a Stanley Cup for the first time in 42 years. Doug talks about the incredible catch made by A's centerfielder Denzel Clarke. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff on to talk about the headlines around the NFL this week. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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right Tuesday afternoon. We're trying to solve the world's problems
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on this show. Welcome in. I am you know, I uh,
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I think what we do this thing in the United States. Okay,
And we'll get to some of these big guys holding
out and I'd love to say it matters, but it
generally doesn't matter. Almost all these deals get done. Guys
say they'll sit for a year, they never do. Shady
mccoby's the last guy to sit for the year. Didn't
work out well for him. Everybody gets some sort of
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new contractor gets traded or whatever. I don't want to
freak out, but we had a we're having a discussion
off air and It's kind of the back and forth
between Buyer and Jay Stew in regards to who you're
rooting for in the Stanley Cup, right, And Buyer's point is, hey,
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I want a Canadian team to win because its been
so long since the Canadian team won the Stanley Cup.
The Canadians care more. It'll I think his point is
it'll get them more invested in the sport that they love.
And Jay Stew's philosophy and Jay Stew, but I'm speaking
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wrongly in your stead. Jay stud loves people having the
excruciating pain of losing on a yearly basis. That's something
that brings him a great amount of joy, right, And
his point is, like, what, just because Canada likes hockey
more loves hockey, it actually makes it better that they
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don't win the Stanley Cup and that we do because
we modestly care about it. Is that about, right, Jay Stu?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, I mean the more nuanced version is for my
day to day job searching for interesting angles on stories,
it's a much more interesting story to me that the
country that developed a game for us hasn't won a
Stanley Cup in twenty two years, thirty two years, and
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if they win at this this week or the next
couple of weeks, that story ends, that that agony ends.
What's interesting about that?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Nothing? Nothing. But here's the problem with it, okay, And
I understand it's this is this is a lesser version
of when the Red Sox won the World Series, Right,
the Red Sox won the World Series, and then a
couple of years later the White Sox had like an
eighty six year drought and they won the World Series.
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Then of course the Cubs ultimately won the World Series.
And now I guess we're waiting on the Indians. Is
that is that the like the last the Guardians? Yeah, yeah,
the Guardians. Yeah, the Guardians to win it. And and
to your point, Jays do I think there are other
factors in why baseball and the Yankees Red Sox rivalry
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is not what it was twenty years ago, But I
think the main factor is forever it had been, the
Yankees had with the Red Sox, always wanted it could
never get. Now the Red Sox have done it a
couple of times, and it's just not that just doesn't
matter that much anymore. So to your point, I think
the Red Sox and what's happened to that rivalry specifically
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is a very good example of what you're talking about, Buyer.
Why do you want a Canadian team to win the
Standing Tip?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, again, it is because I think that they whatever
community it would be, whether it be Edmonton or Vancouver,
Toronto or Montreal, would appreciate it more. And because of
the drought, there's almost a competition within a competition of
being able to be the city that ends that drought.
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But I think that there's another layer as well when
it comes to hockey. And I completely agree that the
Red Sox ending the Yankees curse and winning it completely
changed how we looked at Boston and it was forever
changed when they won in two thousand and four. But
the thing with the NHL, and it's reflected in a
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team that they're playing right now, even though the Florida
Panthers have been in the league for thirty plus years,
it's the Sun Belt teams, the Southern teams, the warm
weather teams that infiltrated the league, that took over teams
that in fact took teams from other communities so the
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NHL could fill those teams. There's that portionate portion of
it as well, where you have the Vegas Golden Knights
coming into the league and they win a Stanley Cup
and they haven't even been in the league a decade.
Dallas has won a Cup. Florida is the defending Stanley
Cup champions, Tampa Bay has multiple Cups. Like that's an
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added layer to this is the climate doesn't even match,
Like it doesn't even it doesn't even work. I felt like,
if if he still had the Hartford Whalers, if you will,
let's say Milwaukee had a team, you know, and you
have like these cities that have snow in the winter.
Maybe it's not as much, but there is such a
contrast from Edmonton and Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal. Then they
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have Sunrise Florida up to one about to win, you know,
halfway to winning back to back Cups. That's what I
think is so intriguing about this in the NHL and
why I want it so bad because of the contrast
between the Canadian teams and the Sun Belt teams.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I was watching the Stanley Cup finals and I'm sitting
there watching with my son Hayes, and he's like and
we were talking about like do we care? Do we
not care? I was like, well, I don't know. I've
been kind of into my watched Game two and it
was really exciting, and he turned to me like clear
as day and was said, I can't see the puck, dude,
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I don't know where the puck is. And those of
us who are old enough to remember, Jay stew I know,
and Dan Byer, I know. You remember this. When Fox
had the Stanley Cup Finals and had hockey in the
regular season, they put a tracer on the puck and
the traditionalist hated it, hated it, And I just wonder
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how they stuck with it, how how much how much
would it have been accepted, you know, how much more
would we have viewed it? Because hockey does a lot
of cool things right in the regular season, isn't it
three on three in overtime? Right, It's like it's pretty
easy to score, and it's really fun. You know, it's
wide open, wide open, wide open. They had a lot
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a lot of cool stuff, you know. And the fact
that where where the NBA has gone crazy with uniforms,
one they call them sweaters, and two they still have
their traditional sweaters. So like the Edmonton Oilers were in
the same uniforms they wore when we were kids in
Edmonton one, I don't know. It's four four cups in
row or five cups in row with MESSI A and
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and uh and with the great one and the So
there's good. There's a ton of cool things, but their
lack of willingness to embrace change. And maybe it's because
they didn't changed and they expanded and now they've retracted
and now they're kind of found their lane. But I
feel like this is a roundabout way Dan of me saying, yeah,
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if Canada wins it, it just energizes those traditionalists in
Canada and we'll never have a puck tracer again, We'll
never have new stuff again. And maybe maybe it's some
of the changes good for them. So Jase dou, is
it just you just like agony? Is that basically your thing?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No? No, what, It's just more it's a more compelling
story that the country that created a sport loses every
year to me, that Dan and I had this thing
just like what was it six weeks ago when Rory
McElroy won the Masters and completed his career Grand Slam,
it seemed like the entire sentiment of all sports talk
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and the people that covered golf golf fans was great
for Rory, This is amazing, what an amazing story, And
then you had me saying I liked it better when
he wasn't able to win the Masters. That's a better
story because every single year he goes in he's got
to face questions that's interesting to me in my capacity
as sports content generator.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And I would and I can't disagree with anything that
he says to that point. And Rory had even said
after the round, is what are you guys going to
talk about next year? Because this has been the topic
of conversation since he was won away from the career
Grand Slam and was you know, had the foreshot lead
entering Sunday in twenty eleven. It's been going back to there,
and even admitted it's back to twenty eleven. Was since
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it was how long he was holding on to all
of that. But I would say that I do think
that there is a difference between team and individual situations,
because as I look at Edmonton, it's not that I
want Connor McDavid to win a Stanley Cup or you know,
any of the Ryan NuGen Hopkins to left the Cup.
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It's that's not it. It's the fans in the community and
everything around it. I think that's actually why Sam thinks
of it as well, is he's more of the out
sort of lying thing. So like an individual sport, I
think that certain players have those demons of never ever
winning that one that they needed, and there's no community
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or fan base that sticks with that. But I think
there's some misery in Boston with the Cubs up until
twenty sixteen, with the Buffalo Bills right now. Maybe with
all of Canada, there's all of that, and I wouldn't
mind easing that, especially in contrast again to what I
feel our markets and fan bases that don't necessarily deserve
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the fruits of winning those championships. We don't even remember
that Florida won it last.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Year and I had no idea of Florida one.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
One in Florida. Yeah, it's gonna say Florida beat Edmonton
in seven games last year. Maybe if it flips around,
we would remember, maybe if it was Edmonton winning last year.
But for whatever reason, no, we didn't. We didn't remember.
I don't think you can don't remember.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Because we don't care about hockey and I and I
understand what you're saying. You're like Hey, why do you
get to why award a Stanley Cup to an entire
nation that modestly cares about a sport? I don't know,
that's just just I understand. This is a classic J
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stew Like he loves that, Like, yeah, we kind of care.
We keep winning. It's kind of funny they really really care.
I'm actually with you, Dan, I I like hockey. I
don't love hockey. I can't tell you anything about hockey's
regular season at all. I just don't have the bandwidth
for it. But I do think that it's like they care.
They should, you know, it's it's the Marie Antoinette. Let
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them eat cake, let them have their little Stanley Cup thing.
They know how to celebrate, drink a bunch of Olsen
out of it, and appreciate it as we don't actually care.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I mean, both of you now that now that we've
gotten Gotweb to commit to an answer. He wouldn't do
that with the tennis thing yesterday. Both of you have
very altruistic reasons for wanting Canada to win one, like,
it's very kind hearted of you to care that much
about a community. I don't care, and I care about
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my job and what makes my job interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Do you think people are talking about Canada not winning.
I almost feel like we're the only show that does
no question, like honestly.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Like, because it's the only thing that's interesting about it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Sure fair enough, right, I don't think like I'm just
looking at the last Stanley Cup finals that we have had,
and I remember when Ovechkin won. I felt that that
was a big deal because he finally got the monkey
off of his back of winning a title. And they
had all early exits. But we're coming off of again,
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the Panthers winning last year, they lost in the finals.
The year before the Vegas the Lightning had won consecutive
Cups and then lost in twenty twenty two to the Avalanche.
We did have a Blues Bruins final in twenty nineteen,
remember that was stage for Saint Louis. Yes, but we've
also had you know, the Predators, the Sharks, the Lightning
were in it again. King said their two titles, which
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I know you guys remember, but it hasn't been it
hasn't been littered of great traditional hockey. And I feel
that if Edmonton wins, yes, Canada gets their Cup. But
you know who's not happy The Maple Leafs or the Canadians,
or the Canucks or the Winnipeg Jets in those sort
of things. So I think that there still then is
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something to it. Toronto bowing out like they always do
in unbelievably, you know, heartbreaking fashion is something that you
would continue to watch throughout. I don't think that Canada
has a you know, has unlocked the code and now
they're just going to be pouring in. In fact, there's
only seven teams in the league from Canada.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So is Doug Wait, Does Dougie Wait still play for
the Maple Leafs.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't think so. I think you played for Edmonton
for a while. But like there's they're already at a disadvantage,
and it's the disadvantage because the league has expanded again
to areas that I just don't think necessarily deserve Stanley
Cupps and so them breaking through is also as crazy
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as it sounds, a bit of an underdog story, even
though they have the best player in hockey.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's Doug Ottlieb show here, it's Connor McDavid. Yes, okay,
I just want to make sure that, like if I said,
e comormic David's best hockey I don't sound like a
complete nube. Nope, so it is Doug Otlib show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh yeah, I did take a
side on this one, Jase two, despite your goating on
taking a side with tennis yesterday, I again like, if
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we go back to yesterday's discussion, it was over was
the toughest sport. I don't think that tennis is as
tough as sport as mma is or as boxing is.
You can't get killed in it, but I do think
that it's a tougher, more grueling mental and physical but
really mental challenge than many of the other sports, or
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then the popular perception of it is in this one. Yeah,
I want Canada. Canada win because they care, and I
agree with you Dan, it probably motivates other teams in
their country and kids in their country to play more hockey,
whereas it just kind of does nothing for us. It
just does I mean all of those like you're like, oh,
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say it did a lot for the Blues, did it?
I don't remember it now. Maybe in Saint Louis there's
a big rush on kids going to play hockey. But
if you win a the Stanley Cup and you're the
first one in a quarter cent tree to win a
Stanley Cup for a Canadian team. I do think it'll
change people's perception, or maybe not people's posting the energy
towards the league in Canada.
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Speaker 1 (16:47):
Did he catch it? Pigdad?
Speaker 5 (16:50):
You can't believe what this kid is doing in center field.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
He got himself suspended on top of the wall. There
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Speaker 1 (17:05):
That was an unbelievable catch. I mean, if you watched it,
and of course I watched it because I'm an Angel
fan and it's his His jump was and when his
right leg hit the wall, it was like halfway up
the wall, halfway up the wall, and then yeah, like
his waist was at the very top of the wall. Incredible,
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Speaker 3 (17:35):
Ahead, I do need to insert something. You know. We
talk about how bad Tony Romo is at his job
in football, and his biggest drawback is that he steps
on great moments matter. He doesn't let things breathe, they
don't turn his mic off. Sure, so this was the
TV call of the A's broadcast. I will get the
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name of the woman who is the broadcaster as we play.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
The high what.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
In terms of just reaching bass? This one to center field?
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Denzil Clark on the move back after he stepped another cat.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh my dog.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Back to back weeks where he wins the Electric Player
of the Week and he's only in the leaderboard.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
For this week.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Who was it? That's that's my That's that's my question.
Jase too, You guys should I that's what's great about this?
Oh that's that's that's Jenny, right, Jenny Kavnar Who that is?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's exactly who it is.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I've done stuff with Jenny. She's a cool lady.
I don't know. I mean, it's just hard, right, it's
just difficult. I have a couple of other female friends
in broadcasting who have been trying to break through. Some
have in the play by playworld. I mean, honestly, the
stepping like I mean, I think her voice not carrying,
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not having the base of a guy's voice, is probably
what hurts the most. But yeah, I can't tell. Was
that her or was that her? Is that her analyst
that that talked when they shouldn't have talked?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Oh no, no, the analyst was actually the analyst if
you listened to it, had the perfect like let me
hear like he says something and then it should have
been just yes, man.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
This one to center field.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Denzil Clark on the move back after he stepped.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Over another cat, Oh my Dog.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Back to back weeks where he wins the Electric Player
of the Week and he's on the leaderboard for this week.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I didn't hate it as much you do. There wasn't
a description of what made the catch so spectacular, which
is technically her job. But and she's clearly trying to
get the sponsorship deal in there, but it wasn't that.
I've heard a lot worse here. Let's let's get to
Dan Byer before johnin o'cock choice is damn what he got?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Doug and Rory McElroy wins the Masters. It's the put
of the week here on CBS, brought to you by
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couple of weeks. So now he's going to kick Oh
my god. I don't think it has anything to do
with a man or a woman. I just think it's
just let the moment breathe. Yes, that's that's what it's
all about, Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
The only thing I can think of, though, is it
was there a producer in her ear going. That's our
electric play of the week.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Electric third gonna win Electric play of the week.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's our electric play of the week. Two weeks in
a row. Uh buyer. Let's welcome to Joemin o'caugh three.
Now is the podcast Byer. Can you go through the
guys that are are holding out or holding in real quick? John,
you want to give us a quick, quick, one line
on each guy?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Go ahead there, Buyer, Okay, do you want to hold outs?
Is that what you want?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Doug? Just the ones that are important? TJ.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Watt in pitch, TJ.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Watt Does he get a new deal? John?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah? I mean I think he's got them Corners, they
got no.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Choice, Commanders, wide receiver, Terry McLaurin, scary.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Terry, little trick here, third contract, but again, really good player, productive,
risky though because the market's so crazy. I mean, he's
gonna want a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Trey Hendrickson of the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I mean it's the Bengals. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Now. The weird thing with the Bengals is they played
all the offensive guys, but now he's older and the
question is how much do they pay him? Okay, Buyer,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's about That's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay. Reaction to Aaron Rodgers. We haven't talk since Aaron Rodgers.
It hasn't become official official, but fairly official. Going to
the Steelers, well, I think this.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Gets back to the TJ. Watt thing. I mean, they're
just kind of all in on this year, trying to
have a higher ceiling than they've had the last couple
of years of in and getting quickly bounced. I mean,
he's forty one, He not nearly as good as he
once was. New team, new weapons, It's not usually how
football works. It'd be one thing if this was thirty
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year old Aaron Rodgers in his prime. I think he
could figure it out. They'd be fine. Another thing, when
he's forty one. He doesn't move like he used to
and looks like he's a married man now, so you know,
you know, maybe football is not his number one priority anymore.
So I don't know. I mean, I think it's kind
of a similar song and dance that we've seen the
last couple of years with him.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Okay, but how about this? Is he better than what
they put out there last year?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I get, but not dramatically to make a difference like
the teams they lost to. I don't think they'd beat
with him, So I don't know if it really matters, like,
is he would I rather have Aaron Rodgers than Russell Wilson? Yes,
but in twenty twenty five, given the way they're built
and their operation, so it changed much. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So, Okay, what about Russell Wilson in New York, how
does that work?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I think they're in terrible I don't think they're gonna
be in a good I mean, when you look the division,
I think they're fighting for last place. I mean, I
think Cowboys, if they have some help, are going to
be better. And I think this is just going to
be the end of the Giants operation. Honestly, potentially the
end of Russell Wilson's career.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I mean, I was surprised that he did catch
on with anybody at all. Let let's get to the Browns.
Let's go to the Colts first. I usually don't call
guys that get hurt busts, right, like your body lets
you down, there's nothing to do. But when Anthey Richard
hasn't been hurt, he hasn't been a particularly good NFL quarterback,
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At what point do you just wash your wipe your
hands up and go like, hey, we're good here. This
is not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I think, yeah, I think the riding was on the
wall when they signed Daniel Joe Home for like fifteen
million dollars. I mean, it's not apples to apples, But
I think a couple of years ago, when the Niners
signed Sam Darnold, now granted that was for the second
job because Brock thirty was going to be the starter,
Trey Lance's career was over for them, and I kind
of felt the same way when they're like, oh, open competition,
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Like it was Daniel Jones' job to lose. Now with
the injury, I don't even think it's it's a contest now.
The difference with lamp is he was healthy and they were.
They traded to the Cowboys. If this guy's shoulders messed up,
he doesn't really have a trade market, so they might
stuck with him. But I think it's pretty safe to
say that the Anthony Richardson experiment listens. I commend him.
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They took a huge swing for the fences. Sometimes you
hit a game winning, you know, Grand Slam, and other
times you strike out. And let's face it, as of
right now, they've struck out.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I think there's any question about it.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think the only I think the only question is
Doug is you know er se passes a way was
two weeks ago. Now. The Dodters have been running it,
But you know, I think Jim maybe the last couple
of years the hell has bought ballads some more time.
But I think he believed in Ballard. I just wonder
what the daughters, you know, if they go seven and
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ten and Daniel Jones is just myth do this ends,
you know, his kind of nine year tenure as the GM,
I think it would be up in question.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't think there's any question about it. Doug Gottlieb
show here on Fox Sports Radio, John Metalcall three and
owns the podcast joined us right now. Okay, there's there's
some other ones that are kind of interesting to me
in terms of terms of teams and stories. How do
you see the Cleveland thing working out?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I think we've seen this before. Flacco is a lock
starter week one, and then it's like, if they're not
winning games, they're just gonna start going to the younger players.
And that's where I think it gets weird. Now, if
Shador outplays Dylan Gaber role, it's an easy one to justify.
But if they're the same, I mean, the coach is
gonna want to play the guy. I don't know that
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he liked. There was a reason they took him in
the third round. But if you're the owner, and honestly,
if you're the fans, you're gonna want to see the
other guy. And obviously that his dad, you know it's
gonna be talking. So I think it's gonna be h
you know what show. And we knew this when they've
drafted two guys the third and fifth round, which is
unheard of. So I think Flaco starts until it gets
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so ugly that you can't start him anymore, and then
it's just going to be about which rookie gets inserted,
and who knows. Maybe you know, they kind of go
old school college where they're playing them, you know, in
and out. One guy starts one game, one guy starts
the next game. I would say, it's all kind of
on the table.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, it's classic Cleveland Browns, right, classic classic Cleveland Browns.
Jay r Alexander Packers that come out and said, like, look,
fourteen games for the last two years. He's just not healthy.
He's not on the field enough. But this is a
weird one, right. Everyone thought he'd be somewhere else. Then
there was supposedly a contract extension offered, then he doesn't
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participate in camp, and then he's he's released.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
What happened there, my guess is that they they thought
that market was soft. They hoped they could renegotiate with him,
and when push came to shove and it was time
to sign the contract, he said, he laughed at him,
thinking that his market's better on the outside. I think
sometimes and you're I'm sure we're going to see this
in the nil. It's gonna be hard for It's hard
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for any human being take a pay cut, and you know, athletes,
prideful people, big egos. You know, it just kind of
don't I don't want to say it blew up in
their face because I think they had gone into this
offseason acknowledging this guy probably was going to be on
their team. But once it looked like they were going
to get him back at a different contract, it was like, Okay,
look at their unit. It's not great. I don't know
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what they're going to do with dB in, you know,
in a division that's got some pretty good pass catchers
and some good offensive coaches. So I don't know. So
it's a little risky because clearly they're already cap compliance.
I mean, they could roll it back with the guys,
but they clearly chose not to. And now it'll be
interesting to see what his market will be like on
the U, on the you know, technically the street free agent.
(28:17):
I do think, you know, most teams are going to
kind of summer break. How that plays out, Maybe he
waits till training camp. I don't know. It's gonna be
fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It really is gonna be fascinating to watch. This is
Doug Gottlieb Show. This is Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
get to golf. Oh but your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
You know, my favorite part about the US Open, going
back my first ever event was when my dad took
me to the Olympic Club in nineteen ninety eight. Lee
Janssen beat a paint stewer kind of fell apart, and
he'd go on to win the next week against Phil
But the US Open to me is like playing like
the eighty five Bears or the two thousand and one Ravens.
I mean, it's just it's really about the course and
(28:58):
most My brother actually in front of his that he
went to high school with high end college golfer qualified
for this back in twenty sixteen, and this guy's played
all over since quite far it's the hardest course he's
ever played, and obviously all the pros reiterate that, so
it's like the course is extremely hard. They deck it
up extra hard for the US Open, and I think
(29:20):
there's just a level of intimidation naturally for this tournament,
regardless where it's at, and it's just fun. It's the
one time, like see these guys now with the equipment,
it's a joke. I mean, you could take them to
basically any course beside like three or four and it's
just kind of a birdy fest. But this is the one,
you know, weekend of the year, four days of year
where it's like you're kind of rooting for the course,
(29:41):
you're kind of rooting for carnage. I'm not gonna get
my hopes up because we've done this before and they
still shoot decent scores. But I god, I would love
like a you know, over par wins it. But it's
hard to bet against Scotty s Sheffer right now, who's
on a gambling perspective. I saw the other days he's
the lowest favorite since like Tiger in the in the
late two thousands, which is honestly, you know, gambling has
(30:05):
changed a lot over the last five six years with
these apps, so in my life covering it since the
DraftKings and fan duels and everyone's come along, it's not
even close. I mean, he's being treated like he's like
the Kevin Durant Warriors or the Michael Jordan's Bulls, like
it's it's not even a fair fight, and golf shouldn't
be like that. But he's kind of turned golf into
like what these tennis stars aren't, you know, like a
(30:27):
Grand Slam start and whoever the top player is, like
he's a lock to be on the semis. That's gotten
Scheffer like he's a lock to be in the mix
on Sunday and honestly at this point to be a
little shock game if he doesn't win.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Stut Gottlieb show, This is Fox Sports Radio. It was
a weird look though, to have like fifty dudes with
push mowers yesterday getting after the rough. Did you guys
see that video? I know, Bayer you saw that right,
and Byer's like, look, it's still going to grow between
now and the tournament, but you guys see the video
of like the fifty guys all with their mowers going
(31:00):
and going after the rough. Absolutely, But I go ahead.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I still think that the dropping the golf ball on
the green and watching it roll fifty yards away from
where you dropped it is still infinitely more entertaining than
just dropping it in the rough and trying to find it.
And that's what I think is so crazy about Oakmont.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I played, was it shinnecock where the ball kept moving
and still hit it while it was moving?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yes? So mad? Yes what I that's what.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I want this week where balls just do not stop.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And these greens if you just watch like a flyover
on YouTube, I mean, they are enormous and I you know,
based on everything everyone's saying, they're gonna be running like
it's concrete.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's so great, It's gonna be a great week. Yeah,
the roff is one thing, and then you get it
on the greens and then that's the other thing, is
you're in the rough. You can't stop the ball when
it's on the green, so you have absolutely no control
on where the ball is going to go.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I think golf, I think golf right now without Tiger
is a little lucky that like over the last couple
of years, all the majors have been dominated by either
Rory Bryson, Scotty kind of, and they've been playing rom
playing each other that they've been very lucky in this
time that the stars have come to play and you know,
hopefully we get I mean, last year's US Open was
(32:21):
basically Rory Bryson down this stretch. So I think everyone
would sign up for that two point zero some version
of the top four or five guys, you know, going
at it on Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I like total carnage at the us OPA. I like
the US Opening to be so hard, supposed to be
the ultimate testing golf. That's how I like, you know,
I just do. I know that there was a good
stretch there, Buyer where they eased up and the PGA
actually became more difficult. Some of it was, I'm sure,
with courses, but a lot of it was set up,
(32:51):
and I just I like it where par wins.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Well, the PGA could get away with having twenty under par,
but you know, God forbid that ever happened with the USGA,
which I get. The other great thing about Oakmond there's
ditches throughout the whole property. Some line the fairways, some
cross the fairways. They probably won't be in play on
certain tea shots. But if your t shot ends up
landing in one or you're in the rough and you
(33:15):
it adds another element of it. But you're right Overpars
could very well. We'll win this week at Oakmond.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So John Middlecoff has two podcasts. One's called three and
Now the other one's called Going Low Download. Do you
know one of them? If you like golf you like football.
Both are super informative and fun. Johnny, thanks so much
for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Enjoy the week.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Coming up next on The Doug Gottlieb Show, what players
are the most important in these NBA finals and in
what order we'll discuss next.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Sly Stone passed
away yesterday. I mean, anytime you play funk and your
name is sly sly Stone, there's real name, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I believe very much about that, Sylvester Stone.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Let's see how Sam googles something.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Why we do the game. That's what they're telling me.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Sly Stone, Sylvester Stewart better known as sly Stone, So
wasn't his name?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
He is sly though, sly.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Uh sly Stone. Uh. I love that sly Stone, the
family Stone. Right there, that's Doug Gotlieb show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Let's get to Dan Byer with a game.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Wikipedia also well does this as solid by saying not
to be confused with Sylvester Stallone. So thanks for that. Wikipedia.
The game Doug today.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Is We're not the same guy.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I had no idea, not the same guy. The game
is rankum all right, Doug ranked the three most important
players in these NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, number one, we know who that is. I would say, uh,
I'm gonna go Pascal Siakam, Tyrese Haliburton Io and number
one is shake Kills's Hogs enter.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
All right, That's actually what I had as well. It
was more of who was going to be number three,
and more so than Jalen Williams. The Pacers need Pascal
Siakim as opposed to the thunder Needing their second best option. Sure,
all right, here's a fun one. Ranked the three weirdest
(36:04):
NBA Finals participants in history or at least that you
can remember, Doug.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
The weirdest, Yes, weirdest, just like a couple of years ago. Okay,
when they had that rant, when when they had the
Jimmy Butler team three, that was a weird one. That's three.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
There's a there's a no brainer for me. I think
number one.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Is it that Orlando Magic team with Haito Turgalu.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
No, but that's a good that's that can be it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
That's two.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That's two old nine?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Who am I not? Thinking of the nets?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
When the New Jersey Nets made it then they made
it to back to back finals.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
They were good though. It was Jason Kidd and Kendyn
Martin and Richard David.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Was just weird to have the nets in the NBA finals.
And so I was going to have the O two
New Jersey nets is what I thought was the Okay,
we'll put them number one brainer? Sure, all right, Doug.
We're a little short on time, so I'm just going
to go to our last question. Ranked the three best
US summer vacation spots summer vacation spots.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
In the US. Yes, uh three is I'm a big
main guy. I love Maine, Maine. The winter is the Main,
Main is amazing. Number two is Dork County in Wisconsin.
In Wisconsin County. Number one is Newport Beach, California.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh really in the summertime.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Huh, summertime is amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No Myrtle Beach or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, no, been there, nowhere else?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Uh, Sandusky, Ohio.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Because the roller coasters.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yes, sure, yes, No Yellowstone.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
No. Mount rush yell sounds great. I've never been in
Mount Rushmore. I got any to do that. Yell sounds great.
I love Montana as well. Wow, you asked that, I
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(00:31):
right Tuesday afternoon. We're trying to solve the world's problems
one show at a time. That's what we do here
on this show. Welcome in. I am you know, I uh,
(00:55):
I think what we do this thing in the United States. Okay,
And we'll get to some of these big guys holding
out and I'd love to say it matters, but it
generally doesn't matter. Almost all these deals get done. Guys
say they'll sit for a year, they never do. Shady
mccoby's the last guy to sit for the year. Didn't
work out well for him. Everybody gets some sort of
(01:16):
new contractor gets traded or whatever. I don't want to
freak out, but we had a we're having a discussion
off air and It's kind of the back and forth
between Buyer and Jay Stew in regards to who you're
rooting for in the Stanley Cup, right, And Buyer's point is, hey,
(01:43):
I want a Canadian team to win because its been
so long since the Canadian team won the Stanley Cup.
The Canadians care more. It'll I think his point is
it'll get them more invested in the sport that they love.
And Jay Stew's philosophy and Jay Stew, but I'm speaking
(02:04):
wrongly in your stead. Jay stud loves people having the
excruciating pain of losing on a yearly basis. That's something
that brings him a great amount of joy, right, And
his point is, like, what, just because Canada likes hockey
more loves hockey, it actually makes it better that they
(02:27):
don't win the Stanley Cup and that we do because
we modestly care about it. Is that about, right, Jay Stu?
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, I mean the more nuanced version is for my
day to day job searching for interesting angles on stories,
it's a much more interesting story to me that the
country that developed a game for us hasn't won a
Stanley Cup in twenty two years, thirty two years, and
(02:54):
if they win at this this week or the next
couple of weeks, that story ends, that that agony ends.
What's interesting about that?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Nothing? Nothing. But here's the problem with it, okay, And
I understand it's this is this is a lesser version
of when the Red Sox won the World Series, Right,
the Red Sox won the World Series, and then a
couple of years later the White Sox had like an
eighty six year drought and they won the World Series.
(03:25):
Then of course the Cubs ultimately won the World Series.
And now I guess we're waiting on the Indians. Is
that is that the like the last the Guardians? Yeah, yeah,
the Guardians. Yeah, the Guardians to win it. And and
to your point, Jays do I think there are other
factors in why baseball and the Yankees Red Sox rivalry
(03:46):
is not what it was twenty years ago, But I
think the main factor is forever it had been, the
Yankees had with the Red Sox, always wanted it could
never get. Now the Red Sox have done it a
couple of times, and it's just not that just doesn't
matter that much anymore. So to your point, I think
the Red Sox and what's happened to that rivalry specifically
(04:09):
is a very good example of what you're talking about, Buyer.
Why do you want a Canadian team to win the
Standing Tip?
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, again, it is because I think that they whatever
community it would be, whether it be Edmonton or Vancouver,
Toronto or Montreal, would appreciate it more. And because of
the drought, there's almost a competition within a competition of
being able to be the city that ends that drought.
(04:37):
But I think that there's another layer as well when
it comes to hockey. And I completely agree that the
Red Sox ending the Yankees curse and winning it completely
changed how we looked at Boston and it was forever
changed when they won in two thousand and four. But
the thing with the NHL, and it's reflected in a
(04:58):
team that they're playing right now, even though the Florida
Panthers have been in the league for thirty plus years,
it's the Sun Belt teams, the Southern teams, the warm
weather teams that infiltrated the league, that took over teams
that in fact took teams from other communities so the
(05:18):
NHL could fill those teams. There's that portionate portion of
it as well, where you have the Vegas Golden Knights
coming into the league and they win a Stanley Cup
and they haven't even been in the league a decade.
Dallas has won a Cup. Florida is the defending Stanley
Cup champions, Tampa Bay has multiple Cups. Like that's an
(05:39):
added layer to this is the climate doesn't even match,
Like it doesn't even it doesn't even work. I felt like,
if if he still had the Hartford Whalers, if you will,
let's say Milwaukee had a team, you know, and you
have like these cities that have snow in the winter.
Maybe it's not as much, but there is such a
contrast from Edmonton and Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal. Then they
(06:03):
have Sunrise Florida up to one about to win, you know,
halfway to winning back to back Cups. That's what I
think is so intriguing about this in the NHL and
why I want it so bad because of the contrast
between the Canadian teams and the Sun Belt teams.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I was watching the Stanley Cup finals and I'm sitting
there watching with my son Hayes, and he's like and
we were talking about like do we care? Do we
not care? I was like, well, I don't know. I've
been kind of into my watched Game two and it
was really exciting, and he turned to me like clear
as day and was said, I can't see the puck, dude,
(06:40):
I don't know where the puck is. And those of
us who are old enough to remember, Jay stew I know,
and Dan Byer, I know. You remember this. When Fox
had the Stanley Cup Finals and had hockey in the
regular season, they put a tracer on the puck and
the traditionalist hated it, hated it, And I just wonder
(07:05):
how they stuck with it, how how much how much
would it have been accepted, you know, how much more
would we have viewed it? Because hockey does a lot
of cool things right in the regular season, isn't it
three on three in overtime? Right, It's like it's pretty
easy to score, and it's really fun. You know, it's
wide open, wide open, wide open. They had a lot
(07:27):
a lot of cool stuff, you know. And the fact
that where where the NBA has gone crazy with uniforms,
one they call them sweaters, and two they still have
their traditional sweaters. So like the Edmonton Oilers were in
the same uniforms they wore when we were kids in
Edmonton one, I don't know. It's four four cups in
row or five cups in row with MESSI A and
(07:47):
and uh and with the great one and the So
there's good. There's a ton of cool things, but their
lack of willingness to embrace change. And maybe it's because
they didn't changed and they expanded and now they've retracted
and now they're kind of found their lane. But I
feel like this is a roundabout way Dan of me saying, yeah,
(08:10):
if Canada wins it, it just energizes those traditionalists in
Canada and we'll never have a puck tracer again, We'll
never have new stuff again. And maybe maybe it's some
of the changes good for them. So Jase dou, is
it just you just like agony? Is that basically your thing?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
No? No, what, It's just more it's a more compelling
story that the country that created a sport loses every
year to me, that Dan and I had this thing
just like what was it six weeks ago when Rory
McElroy won the Masters and completed his career Grand Slam,
it seemed like the entire sentiment of all sports talk
(08:54):
and the people that covered golf golf fans was great
for Rory, This is amazing, what an amazing story, And
then you had me saying I liked it better when
he wasn't able to win the Masters. That's a better
story because every single year he goes in he's got
to face questions that's interesting to me in my capacity
as sports content generator.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And I would and I can't disagree with anything that
he says to that point. And Rory had even said
after the round, is what are you guys going to
talk about next year? Because this has been the topic
of conversation since he was won away from the career
Grand Slam and was you know, had the foreshot lead
entering Sunday in twenty eleven. It's been going back to there,
and even admitted it's back to twenty eleven. Was since
(09:40):
it was how long he was holding on to all
of that. But I would say that I do think
that there is a difference between team and individual situations,
because as I look at Edmonton, it's not that I
want Connor McDavid to win a Stanley Cup or you know,
any of the Ryan NuGen Hopkins to left the Cup.
(10:00):
It's that's not it. It's the fans in the community and
everything around it. I think that's actually why Sam thinks
of it as well, is he's more of the out
sort of lying thing. So like an individual sport, I
think that certain players have those demons of never ever
winning that one that they needed, and there's no community
(10:21):
or fan base that sticks with that. But I think
there's some misery in Boston with the Cubs up until
twenty sixteen, with the Buffalo Bills right now. Maybe with
all of Canada, there's all of that, and I wouldn't
mind easing that, especially in contrast again to what I
feel our markets and fan bases that don't necessarily deserve
(10:44):
the fruits of winning those championships. We don't even remember
that Florida won it last.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Year and I had no idea of Florida one.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
One in Florida. Yeah, it's gonna say Florida beat Edmonton
in seven games last year. Maybe if it flips around,
we would remember, maybe if it was Edmonton winning last year.
But for whatever reason, no, we didn't. We didn't remember.
I don't think you can don't remember.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Because we don't care about hockey and I and I
understand what you're saying. You're like Hey, why do you
get to why award a Stanley Cup to an entire
nation that modestly cares about a sport? I don't know,
that's just just I understand. This is a classic J
(11:30):
stew Like he loves that, Like, yeah, we kind of care.
We keep winning. It's kind of funny they really really care.
I'm actually with you, Dan, I I like hockey. I
don't love hockey. I can't tell you anything about hockey's
regular season at all. I just don't have the bandwidth
for it. But I do think that it's like they care.
They should, you know, it's it's the Marie Antoinette. Let
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them eat cake, let them have their little Stanley Cup thing.
They know how to celebrate, drink a bunch of Olsen
out of it, and appreciate it as we don't actually care.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I mean, both of you now that now that we've
gotten Gotweb to commit to an answer. He wouldn't do
that with the tennis thing yesterday. Both of you have
very altruistic reasons for wanting Canada to win one, like,
it's very kind hearted of you to care that much
about a community. I don't care, and I care about
(12:24):
my job and what makes my job interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Do you think people are talking about Canada not winning.
I almost feel like we're the only show that does
no question, like honestly.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Like, because it's the only thing that's interesting about it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Sure fair enough, right, I don't think like I'm just
looking at the last Stanley Cup finals that we have had,
and I remember when Ovechkin won. I felt that that
was a big deal because he finally got the monkey
off of his back of winning a title. And they
had all early exits. But we're coming off of again,
(13:03):
the Panthers winning last year, they lost in the finals.
The year before the Vegas the Lightning had won consecutive
Cups and then lost in twenty twenty two to the Avalanche.
We did have a Blues Bruins final in twenty nineteen,
remember that was stage for Saint Louis. Yes, but we've
also had you know, the Predators, the Sharks, the Lightning
were in it again. King said their two titles, which
(13:25):
I know you guys remember, but it hasn't been it
hasn't been littered of great traditional hockey. And I feel
that if Edmonton wins, yes, Canada gets their Cup. But
you know who's not happy The Maple Leafs or the Canadians,
or the Canucks or the Winnipeg Jets in those sort
of things. So I think that there still then is
(13:47):
something to it. Toronto bowing out like they always do
in unbelievably, you know, heartbreaking fashion is something that you
would continue to watch throughout. I don't think that Canada
has a you know, has unlocked the code and now
they're just going to be pouring in. In fact, there's
only seven teams in the league from Canada.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So is Doug Wait, Does Dougie Wait still play for
the Maple Leafs.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I don't think so. I think you played for Edmonton
for a while. But like there's they're already at a disadvantage,
and it's the disadvantage because the league has expanded again
to areas that I just don't think necessarily deserve Stanley
Cupps and so them breaking through is also as crazy
(14:33):
as it sounds, a bit of an underdog story, even
though they have the best player in hockey.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's Doug Ottlieb show here, it's Connor McDavid. Yes, okay,
I just want to make sure that, like if I said,
e comormic David's best hockey I don't sound like a
complete nube. Nope, so it is Doug Otlib show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh yeah, I did take a
side on this one, Jase two, despite your goating on
taking a side with tennis yesterday, I again like, if
(15:06):
we go back to yesterday's discussion, it was over was
the toughest sport. I don't think that tennis is as
tough as sport as mma is or as boxing is.
You can't get killed in it, but I do think
that it's a tougher, more grueling mental and physical but
really mental challenge than many of the other sports, or
(15:27):
then the popular perception of it is in this one. Yeah,
I want Canada. Canada win because they care, and I
agree with you Dan, it probably motivates other teams in
their country and kids in their country to play more hockey,
whereas it just kind of does nothing for us. It
just does I mean all of those like you're like, oh,
(15:49):
say it did a lot for the Blues, did it?
I don't remember it now. Maybe in Saint Louis there's
a big rush on kids going to play hockey. But
if you win a the Stanley Cup and you're the
first one in a quarter cent tree to win a
Stanley Cup for a Canadian team. I do think it'll
change people's perception, or maybe not people's posting the energy
towards the league in Canada.
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(17:56):
name of the woman who is the broadcaster as we play.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
The high what.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
In terms of just reaching bass? This one to center field?
Speaker 6 (18:08):
Denzil Clark on the move back after he stepped another cat.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh my dog.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Back to back weeks where he wins the Electric Player
of the Week and he's only in the leaderboard.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
For this week.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Who was it? That's that's my That's that's my question.
Jase too, You guys should I that's what's great about this?
Oh that's that's that's Jenny, right, Jenny Kavnar Who that is?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
That's exactly who it is.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Yeah, I've done stuff with Jenny. She's a cool lady.
I don't know. I mean, it's just hard, right, it's
just difficult. I have a couple of other female friends
in broadcasting who have been trying to break through. Some
have in the play by playworld. I mean, honestly, the
stepping like I mean, I think her voice not carrying,
(19:05):
not having the base of a guy's voice, is probably
what hurts the most. But yeah, I can't tell. Was
that her or was that her? Is that her analyst
that that talked when they shouldn't have talked?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Oh no, no, the analyst was actually the analyst if
you listened to it, had the perfect like let me
hear like he says something and then it should have
been just yes, man.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
This one to center field.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Denzil Clark on the move back after he stepped.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Over another cat, Oh my Dog.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Back to back weeks where he wins the Electric Player
of the Week and he's on the leaderboard for this week.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I didn't hate it as much you do. There wasn't
a description of what made the catch so spectacular, which
is technically her job. But and she's clearly trying to
get the sponsorship deal in there, but it wasn't that.
I've heard a lot worse here. Let's let's get to
Dan Byer before johnin o'cock choice is damn what he got?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Doug and Rory McElroy wins the Masters. It's the put
of the week here on CBS, brought to you by
brought to you by I mean one at the last
couple of weeks. So now he's going to kick Oh
my god. I don't think it has anything to do
with a man or a woman. I just think it's
just let the moment breathe. Yes, that's that's what it's
all about, Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
The only thing I can think of, though, is it
was there a producer in her ear going. That's our
electric play of the week.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Electric third gonna win Electric play of the week.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
That's our electric play of the week. Two weeks in
a row. Uh buyer. Let's welcome to Joemin o'caugh three.
Now is the podcast Byer. Can you go through the
guys that are are holding out or holding in real quick? John,
you want to give us a quick, quick, one line
on each guy?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Go ahead there, Buyer, Okay, do you want to hold outs?
Is that what you want?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Doug? Just the ones that are important? TJ.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Watt in pitch, TJ.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Watt Does he get a new deal? John?
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Yeah? I mean I think he's got them Corners, they
got no.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Choice, Commanders, wide receiver, Terry McLaurin, scary.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Terry, little trick here, third contract, but again, really good player, productive,
risky though because the market's so crazy. I mean, he's
gonna want a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Trey Hendrickson of the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
I mean it's the Bengals. Who knows.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Now. The weird thing with the Bengals is they played
all the offensive guys, but now he's older and the
question is how much do they pay him? Okay, Buyer,
go ahead.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's about That's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Okay. Reaction to Aaron Rodgers. We haven't talk since Aaron Rodgers.
It hasn't become official official, but fairly official. Going to
the Steelers, well, I think this.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Gets back to the TJ. Watt thing. I mean, they're
just kind of all in on this year, trying to
have a higher ceiling than they've had the last couple
of years of in and getting quickly bounced. I mean,
he's forty one, He not nearly as good as he
once was. New team, new weapons, It's not usually how
football works. It'd be one thing if this was thirty
(22:12):
year old Aaron Rodgers in his prime. I think he
could figure it out. They'd be fine. Another thing, when
he's forty one. He doesn't move like he used to
and looks like he's a married man now, so you know,
you know, maybe football is not his number one priority anymore.
So I don't know. I mean, I think it's kind
of a similar song and dance that we've seen the
last couple of years with him.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Okay, but how about this? Is he better than what
they put out there last year?
Speaker 5 (22:39):
I get, but not dramatically to make a difference like
the teams they lost to. I don't think they'd beat
with him, So I don't know if it really matters, like,
is he would I rather have Aaron Rodgers than Russell Wilson? Yes,
but in twenty twenty five, given the way they're built
and their operation, so it changed much. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
So, Okay, what about Russell Wilson in New York, how
does that work?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I think they're in terrible I don't think they're gonna
be in a good I mean, when you look the division,
I think they're fighting for last place. I mean, I
think Cowboys, if they have some help, are going to
be better. And I think this is just going to
be the end of the Giants operation. Honestly, potentially the
end of Russell Wilson's career.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I mean, I was surprised that he did catch
on with anybody at all. Let let's get to the Browns.
Let's go to the Colts first. I usually don't call
guys that get hurt busts, right, like your body lets
you down, there's nothing to do. But when Anthey Richard
hasn't been hurt, he hasn't been a particularly good NFL quarterback,
(23:50):
At what point do you just wash your wipe your
hands up and go like, hey, we're good here. This
is not gonna work.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I think, yeah, I think the riding was on the
wall when they signed Daniel Joe Home for like fifteen
million dollars. I mean, it's not apples to apples, But
I think a couple of years ago, when the Niners
signed Sam Darnold, now granted that was for the second
job because Brock thirty was going to be the starter,
Trey Lance's career was over for them, and I kind
of felt the same way when they're like, oh, open competition,
(24:19):
Like it was Daniel Jones' job to lose. Now with
the injury, I don't even think it's it's a contest now.
The difference with lamp is he was healthy and they were.
They traded to the Cowboys. If this guy's shoulders messed up,
he doesn't really have a trade market, so they might
stuck with him. But I think it's pretty safe to
say that the Anthony Richardson experiment listens. I commend him.
(24:42):
They took a huge swing for the fences. Sometimes you
hit a game winning, you know, Grand Slam, and other
times you strike out. And let's face it, as of
right now, they've struck out.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
I think there's any question about it.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
I think the only I think the only question is
Doug is you know er se passes a way was
two weeks ago. Now. The Dodters have been running it,
But you know, I think Jim maybe the last couple
of years the hell has bought ballads some more time.
But I think he believed in Ballard. I just wonder
what the daughters, you know, if they go seven and
(25:16):
ten and Daniel Jones is just myth do this ends,
you know, his kind of nine year tenure as the GM,
I think it would be up in question.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't think there's any question about it. Doug Gottlieb
show here on Fox Sports Radio, John Metalcall three and
owns the podcast joined us right now. Okay, there's there's
some other ones that are kind of interesting to me
in terms of terms of teams and stories. How do
you see the Cleveland thing working out?
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I think we've seen this before. Flacco is a lock
starter week one, and then it's like, if they're not
winning games, they're just gonna start going to the younger players.
And that's where I think it gets weird. Now, if
Shador outplays Dylan Gaber role, it's an easy one to justify.
But if they're the same, I mean, the coach is
gonna want to play the guy. I don't know that
(26:06):
he liked. There was a reason they took him in
the third round. But if you're the owner, and honestly,
if you're the fans, you're gonna want to see the
other guy. And obviously that his dad, you know it's
gonna be talking. So I think it's gonna be h
you know what show. And we knew this when they've
drafted two guys the third and fifth round, which is
unheard of. So I think Flaco starts until it gets
(26:29):
so ugly that you can't start him anymore, and then
it's just going to be about which rookie gets inserted,
and who knows. Maybe you know, they kind of go
old school college where they're playing them, you know, in
and out. One guy starts one game, one guy starts
the next game. I would say, it's all kind of
on the table.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, it's classic Cleveland Browns, right, classic classic Cleveland Browns.
Jay r Alexander Packers that come out and said, like, look,
fourteen games for the last two years. He's just not healthy.
He's not on the field enough. But this is a
weird one, right. Everyone thought he'd be somewhere else. Then
there was supposedly a contract extension offered, then he doesn't
(27:07):
participate in camp, and then he's he's released.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
What happened there, my guess is that they they thought
that market was soft. They hoped they could renegotiate with him,
and when push came to shove and it was time
to sign the contract, he said, he laughed at him,
thinking that his market's better on the outside. I think
sometimes and you're I'm sure we're going to see this
in the nil. It's gonna be hard for It's hard
(27:32):
for any human being take a pay cut, and you know, athletes,
prideful people, big egos. You know, it just kind of
don't I don't want to say it blew up in
their face because I think they had gone into this
offseason acknowledging this guy probably was going to be on
their team. But once it looked like they were going
to get him back at a different contract, it was like, Okay,
look at their unit. It's not great. I don't know
(27:53):
what they're going to do with dB in, you know,
in a division that's got some pretty good pass catchers
and some good offensive coaches. So I don't know. So
it's a little risky because clearly they're already cap compliance.
I mean, they could roll it back with the guys,
but they clearly chose not to. And now it'll be
interesting to see what his market will be like on
the U, on the you know, technically the street free agent.
(28:17):
I do think, you know, most teams are going to
kind of summer break. How that plays out, Maybe he
waits till training camp. I don't know. It's gonna be
fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It really is gonna be fascinating to watch. This is
Doug Gottlieb Show. This is Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
get to golf. Oh but your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
You know, my favorite part about the US Open, going
back my first ever event was when my dad took
me to the Olympic Club in nineteen ninety eight. Lee
Janssen beat a paint stewer kind of fell apart, and
he'd go on to win the next week against Phil
But the US Open to me is like playing like
the eighty five Bears or the two thousand and one Ravens.
I mean, it's just it's really about the course and
(28:58):
most My brother actually in front of his that he
went to high school with high end college golfer qualified
for this back in twenty sixteen, and this guy's played
all over since quite far it's the hardest course he's
ever played, and obviously all the pros reiterate that, so
it's like the course is extremely hard. They deck it
up extra hard for the US Open, and I think
(29:20):
there's just a level of intimidation naturally for this tournament,
regardless where it's at, and it's just fun. It's the
one time, like see these guys now with the equipment,
it's a joke. I mean, you could take them to
basically any course beside like three or four and it's
just kind of a birdy fest. But this is the one,
you know, weekend of the year, four days of year
where it's like you're kind of rooting for the course,
(29:41):
you're kind of rooting for carnage. I'm not gonna get
my hopes up because we've done this before and they
still shoot decent scores. But I god, I would love
like a you know, over par wins it. But it's
hard to bet against Scotty s Sheffer right now, who's
on a gambling perspective. I saw the other days he's
the lowest favorite since like Tiger in the in the
late two thousands, which is honestly, you know, gambling has
(30:05):
changed a lot over the last five six years with
these apps, so in my life covering it since the
DraftKings and fan duels and everyone's come along, it's not
even close. I mean, he's being treated like he's like
the Kevin Durant Warriors or the Michael Jordan's Bulls, like
it's it's not even a fair fight, and golf shouldn't
be like that. But he's kind of turned golf into
like what these tennis stars aren't, you know, like a
(30:27):
Grand Slam start and whoever the top player is, like
he's a lock to be on the semis. That's gotten
Scheffer like he's a lock to be in the mix
on Sunday and honestly at this point to be a
little shock game if he doesn't win.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Stut Gottlieb show, This is Fox Sports Radio. It was
a weird look though, to have like fifty dudes with
push mowers yesterday getting after the rough. Did you guys
see that video? I know, Bayer you saw that right,
and Byer's like, look, it's still going to grow between
now and the tournament, but you guys see the video
of like the fifty guys all with their mowers going
(31:00):
and going after the rough. Absolutely, But I go ahead.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I still think that the dropping the golf ball on
the green and watching it roll fifty yards away from
where you dropped it is still infinitely more entertaining than
just dropping it in the rough and trying to find it.
And that's what I think is so crazy about Oakmont.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
I played, was it shinnecock where the ball kept moving
and still hit it while it was moving?
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Yes? So mad? Yes what I that's what.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
I want this week where balls just do not stop.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
And these greens if you just watch like a flyover
on YouTube, I mean, they are enormous and I you know,
based on everything everyone's saying, they're gonna be running like
it's concrete.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's so great, It's gonna be a great week. Yeah,
the roff is one thing, and then you get it
on the greens and then that's the other thing, is
you're in the rough. You can't stop the ball when
it's on the green, so you have absolutely no control
on where the ball is going to go.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I think golf, I think golf right now without Tiger
is a little lucky that like over the last couple
of years, all the majors have been dominated by either
Rory Bryson, Scotty kind of, and they've been playing rom
playing each other that they've been very lucky in this
time that the stars have come to play and you know,
hopefully we get I mean, last year's US Open was
(32:21):
basically Rory Bryson down this stretch. So I think everyone
would sign up for that two point zero some version
of the top four or five guys, you know, going
at it on Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I like total carnage at the us OPA. I like
the US Opening to be so hard, supposed to be
the ultimate testing golf. That's how I like, you know,
I just do. I know that there was a good
stretch there, Buyer where they eased up and the PGA
actually became more difficult. Some of it was, I'm sure,
with courses, but a lot of it was set up,
(32:51):
and I just I like it where par wins.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Well, the PGA could get away with having twenty under par,
but you know, God forbid that ever happened with the USGA,
which I get. The other great thing about Oakmond there's
ditches throughout the whole property. Some line the fairways, some
cross the fairways. They probably won't be in play on
certain tea shots. But if your t shot ends up
landing in one or you're in the rough and you
(33:15):
it adds another element of it. But you're right Overpars
could very well. We'll win this week at Oakmond.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
So John Middlecoff has two podcasts. One's called three and
Now the other one's called Going Low Download. Do you
know one of them? If you like golf you like football.
Both are super informative and fun. Johnny, thanks so much
for joining us. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Enjoy the week.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Coming up next on The Doug Gottlieb Show, what players
are the most important in these NBA finals and in
what order we'll discuss next.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Sly Stone passed
away yesterday. I mean, anytime you play funk and your
name is sly sly Stone, there's real name, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
I believe very much about that, Sylvester Stone.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Let's see how Sam googles something.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Why we do the game. That's what they're telling me.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Sly Stone, Sylvester Stewart better known as sly Stone, So
wasn't his name?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
He is sly though, sly.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Uh sly Stone. Uh. I love that sly Stone, the
family Stone. Right there, that's Doug Gotlieb show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Let's get to Dan Byer with a game.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Wikipedia also well does this as solid by saying not
to be confused with Sylvester Stallone. So thanks for that. Wikipedia.
The game Doug today.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Is We're not the same guy.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I had no idea, not the same guy. The game
is rankum all right, Doug ranked the three most important
players in these NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, number one, we know who that is. I would say, uh,
I'm gonna go Pascal Siakam, Tyrese Haliburton Io and number
one is shake Kills's Hogs enter.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
All right, That's actually what I had as well. It
was more of who was going to be number three,
and more so than Jalen Williams. The Pacers need Pascal
Siakim as opposed to the thunder Needing their second best option. Sure,
all right, here's a fun one. Ranked the three weirdest
(36:04):
NBA Finals participants in history or at least that you
can remember, Doug.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
The weirdest, Yes, weirdest, just like a couple of years ago. Okay,
when they had that rant, when when they had the
Jimmy Butler team three, that was a weird one. That's three.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
There's a there's a no brainer for me. I think
number one.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Is it that Orlando Magic team with Haito Turgalu.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
No, but that's a good that's that can be it.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
That's two.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
That's two old nine?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Who am I not? Thinking of the nets?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
When the New Jersey Nets made it then they made
it to back to back finals.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
They were good though. It was Jason Kidd and Kendyn
Martin and Richard David.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Was just weird to have the nets in the NBA finals.
And so I was going to have the O two
New Jersey nets is what I thought was the Okay,
we'll put them number one brainer? Sure, all right, Doug.
We're a little short on time, so I'm just going
to go to our last question. Ranked the three best
US summer vacation spots summer vacation spots.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
In the US. Yes, uh three is I'm a big
main guy. I love Maine, Maine. The winter is the Main,
Main is amazing. Number two is Dork County in Wisconsin.
In Wisconsin County. Number one is Newport Beach, California.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh really in the summertime.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Huh, summertime is amazing.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
No Myrtle Beach or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, no, been there, nowhere else?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Uh, Sandusky, Ohio.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Because the roller coasters.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yes, sure, yes, No Yellowstone.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
No. Mount rush yell sounds great. I've never been in
Mount Rushmore. I got any to do that. Yell sounds great.
I love Montana as well. Wow, you asked that, I
gave you the answer. Doug Outle theb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio, I have a random discussion point. We'll
get to it next on Fox Sports Radio
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