June 21, 2024 • 39 mins
Doug talks about all of the news surrounding the Los Angeles Lakers right now and warns you to not believe what is coming out of Lebron's camp concerning his future and playing with Bronny. Doug welcomes former NFL Executive Mark Dominik onto the show to discuss Jordan Love's next contract, Matthew Stafford, and all of the other major headlines Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug and the crew through a game of "I GOT DIBBS".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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my mom didn't raise a fool, right, And obviously I
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think all of us on some level have been duped
for something before. You could be duped by somebody you dated,
somebody you married, somebody you worked for, somebody you invested with,
somebody you voted for president. You could be duped. He
thought it was one thing, and it's really another. And
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it's not that I am not a trustworthy fella. For
the most part. I trust people too much, not too little.
That being said, I didn't buy and this was going
into yesterday's show. In the day before didn't buy for
one second this Rich Paul idea that Ronnie James could
go somewhere on his own outside of where his dad
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would go, and that his dad is a free agent
and could go anywhere to just play basketball. They hire
his podcast partner, who I think most people believe he's
advocated on some level.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Four.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And look, I don't know what happens in a lot
of people's future. I just don't. I don't think anybody can.
But I do know that Lebron James would beorn a
Laker uniform next year. I mean, if he's not, then
what are the Lakers doing? How disconnected are that that
they don't know? They're star enough to know. But if
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Lebron swears by a guy, your team hires that guy.
And there's all these other things that tell us you're
not you're not going anywhere, like daughter and elementary school,
son in high school, brand new, big mansion. You're still building,
like you're not going to another city. So now you
build up a kind of a base of where they
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can where a Bronni can can go and can potentially develop,
and they're just trying to leverage that relationship, which is
all that we've been talking about, and it all is interrelated. Right,
Lebron wants to play with Bronni. His best way to
do so is to do it with the Lakers, and
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his best way to do it with the Lakers is
somebody he can work with and maybe quasi control in
a JJ Breddick. It all makes way way, way too
much sense. And if you're denying that, well then you're
just denying all of the past history and what it
would lead you to believe. I don't think drafting or
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playing Bronny gets you any close to an a championship.
I do agree with the idea that it's gonna be
hard to win a championship in your first year and
you're talking about two more years with Lebron. But if
you're JJ recking Lakers, come Colin, you got to pick
up the phone. You got to pick up the phone.
I don't see how you don't pick up the phone.
If that, you know, maybe that's maybe that should be.
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Like they did a pole question today on Dan Patrick,
who's going to have a better year me or JJ Reddick. Hey, look,
if I can have Lebron and Anthony Davis, I'll definitely
have a better year. I love my guys all, but
Anthony Davis and Lebron James. You can't win, you know,
fifty plus games with those two and Austin Reives, then
there's something wrong with you. But the difference is in
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college basketball, people have to like it and be into it.
You got to raise booster your money, you got to
raise nil, you got to get along on campus. You
have other professors that are coming to see you. You got
the LM's coming to see you. You know, these are
all real things that you really have to do. When
you're in the NBA. All you got to do is
manage personalities and coach ball in that order. In that order,
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will it succeed or will it fail? I guess part
of it is what are you determine to be success?
What are you determine to be a failure? And then
we don't know what his team fully looks like. I mean,
obviously you have to make the playoffs. You got to
get out of the first round, and if you do
in your first year, like then you just kind of
see what happens. But to me, you've tried everything for
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Lebron to give him a head coach. You go back
to Cleveland to Miami. There's been a lot of different
be got to coach this guy. And again just to guess,
is he likes Smart. He thinks JJ is among the
smartest dudes in the sport. So he wanted to hire smart.
And if that's who your dad says to hire, and
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he's the best player in the Lakers and one of
the greatest players of all time, then by all means,
if he wants to get picked up in Green Bay
as opposed to Ampleton, you pick him up in Green
Bay as supposed to Appleton. I don't think I'm stating
anything that anybody doesn't know to be unequivocally the truth
the truth. Uh Ja Stu. Are you yearning to see
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Lebron and Bronnie Lebron and Bronnie play in the Lakers' uniform?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'll tune in. That'll be interesting. It's kind
of the It's kind of the side show, right. I
don't think that it's going to equal winning, but the
side show of any player playing with the son is
kind of cool. We all remember.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, Ken Griffy and Kon Griffy and you're playing in
the same game. That was memorable. But yeah, the sideshow
of it, that's that's all it would be. I'm interested, though,
in what the Rich Paul strategy is. It seems like
he's he's thrown out all the stuff, I think with
the hopes that the Lakers take him with that seventeenth pick.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And he's seventeenth pick on a guy he's not raised.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Exactly at all. But that's obviously that's obvious a strategy
here that he doesn't want to settle for being a
second round pick. In my theory is that this speaks
to Lebron's ego, like I'm not going to have a
son that isn't a first rounder, you know. I think
that rich Paul is under a mandate to get Brownie
drafted with that seventeenth pick, and he's just going to
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try all the stops before the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'm sure he wants to do. I mean, it's like
anything any parent, you're blinded by love. It is interesting
that one of the great players of all time, he
obviously clearly thinks way more highly of his son than
most people do. But what is rich Paul trying to do?
He's trying to do, but right buy his client. But
it does sound it does sound kind of circus acting
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when there. I just I don't buy for one minute
that he would go anything other than the fifties. And
oh yeah, by the way, they basically said, hey, it's
not a package deal. If it's not a package deal,
why would you draft Bronnie James? Makes no sense? Yes,
I was Sam all right.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Back to JJ Reddick for a moment. Darvin Ham's two
teams both went to the playoffs, including his first year
to the conference finals. Where does that set set the
expectations for you with JJ Redick.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The same place as those two teams. I mean, you
got to get to the playoffs. You have lebron James,
you have Anthony Davis. If they're healthy, you got They
got to be in the playoffs, no question. If they're healthy.
If those two are healthy, you got to be in
the playoffs. How far are you going the playoffs? Again? Like,
and maybe this doesn't matter to the masses, but I
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mean you'll be able to know by watching them play
how they're coached. Again, I don't think it's rocket science.
There's no rocket scientists on the sideline. Is it similar
to me? Is it the same as me. It's similar.
You know, JJ wasn't out of he was in the
NBA far, you know, a lot longer than I played
professional basketball. And if you play in the NBA eighty
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two games for these good coaches, you learn a ton,
a ton of different sets and whatever, and you know,
finding your own coaching voice and your go and coaching
strategy and how you do things like Remember, like I
have coached like a thousand AAU games and I've coached
other games with professionals before, so I do have some
sense of dealing with it. Now he's played in NBA
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games and he has a different skill set there. But
it's not an impossible task. It's just you're gonna have
to learn a lot and you have eighty two games.
And remember you're still playing coaching Lebron James Nanthony Davis,
and you're they're the Lakers, so you get everybody's best game,
and everybody's gonna want to want to run it.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Up on you.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
There's a lot of challenges there, a lot of challenges.
You know.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
What I find interesting is just the comparison of the
two head coaching moves that were made in the NBA
this week, where you have the worst team in the
NBA and the most storied franchise in the NBA, making
two moves that are completely opposite of each other in
so many different ways, in terms of Montey Williams being
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ousted by the Pistons after just one year and sixty
five million dollars left on his contract, and the Lakers
then hiring JJ Reddick to this point, which had been
rumored for.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
About a month.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
With Reddick obviously for reasons why he wouldn't be under
consideration for other head coaching jobs. He probably wouldn't be
interested in those jobs. But it wasn't like other people
were knocking down their doors to try to just get
an interview with JJ Reddick. We've heard nothing of Charlotte
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of Cleveland, of any of these teams, Detroit when it
opened for the day that it was before JJ got
the job coming open, and it just to me, it's
it's just odd that the Pistons are saying we're willing
to eat sixty five million dollars with Manti Williams, who
was loved by everybody of the league, and the Lakers
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are like, you know what, JJ Reddick's going to be
our guy. It's and by saying all of that, what
I'm saying is I don't think it's a great look
for the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
That's just the point.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
The Pistons, well just of the Pistons, are willing to
get rid of a veteran coach and pay sixty five
million dollars to do so because they feel that it's
going to be right for their organization under the new
president of basketball operations. And the Lakers again are hiring
a guy who wasn't under consideration for any other jobs
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because it's you know, Lebron's boy is buddy, no question.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Doug Gottlib show here a Fox Sports trader that's the
voice of Dan Byer giving us his sense of the
Lakers and hiring excuse me, hiring JJ Reddick Air as
their head coach. Yeah. I mean, look, it does make
the dynamic different because you have a pre existing more
than friendly relationship with the superstar on the team, But again,
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I don't think makes his job more difficult. In order
to get that, In order to get the Lakers to work,
Lebron has to buy into everything you're saying, period. And
to the people who say, well, Lebron will be different,
nobody will talk around him because he's in the locker room, Like,
do you really think Lebron is hanging with those guys
in the locker room when you're forty years old and
you got a kid who's going to be playing professional basketball,
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another one playing high school and a daughter. He's not
like he's hanging out and doing locker room chatter and
they could be fine. So I'll get it based on personnel.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Isn't it going to be interesting though, to listen to
Rob Palinka explain the higher I'm looking forward to that
because I don't know how disingenuine or how genuine he'll be,
But it just I don't know if you've seen, like
the story kind of making the rounds that the Lakers
basically listen to the podcast and a lot of their
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opinions about JJ Redick are based on what he said
in the podcast to Lebron. I don't know how truthful
that is. There's this like sequence, this timeline that's been
laid out in the last day where remember that time
that JJ Reddick had it out. He was talking to
Steven A and he's like, you know, I do I
do a video on Zion on wine and I get
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like ten thousand views, and then I go off on
doc rivers and I get millions of views. Do people
really want to be educated about the sport? A week later,
he and Lebron have a deal for a podcast. Then
they start talking inside Basketball, and then there's that clip
that we've puted on this show a couple of times
where JJ Reddick basically says, has anybody ever sat you
down and talked about shooting and analytics? And then the
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Lebron's like, hell, no, it just I want Polinka to
tell us that this just wasn't him listening to Reddick
do a podcast with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
No, I think they convinced themselves he could be pat Riley,
you know, he can be Steve Kerr. I think it's
a bit of a stretch, but I'm definitely willing to
hear it out. So I think that's going to be interesting.
I don't know if it was because of listen to
a podcast as much as the overwhelming support of pod
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and the thought that here's a brilliant basketball mind and
that'll be easy, But yeah, it's going to be fascinating.
I do think you could. I could get you five
minutes on his calendar. Both of my boss. You get
five minutes in the calendar and see what he thinks.
If you like.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
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to begin negotiations for Jordan Love is at fifty five
million dollars. Fifty five million dollars. Now, what we don't
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know with that number is we don't know if that
if that means anything in regards to whether or not
it has to be fifteen to five million guaranteed per year. Right,
So that's that's a little bit of what we don't know.
But I guess the question is, like, look, were here's
what we have.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
We have.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
We have all of these people, We have all these
people who have seen Jordan Love, and they were we
believe wrong about Jordan Love, and we believe wrong about
Jordan Lave and in an effort to overcorrect now we're
going to give h one hundred fifty five million, I
mean fifty five million a year, you know. And we
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talked with Andrew Brank yesterday and he said, how you
know in the packers, all they do in terms of
guaranteed money is in the first year. Obviously, you can
change some of that with signing bonus and some of
the signing bonuses extended to the second year. It doesn't matter.
You get your first three years upfront anyway in these
new deals, regardless of its first year otherwise. But it's like,
I mean, we all think he's really good, and common
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logic says he's going to get better. But is he
that good and going to get that much better?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
You know?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think about this. This is what Adam Schefter had
to say during an interview with ESPM Milwaukee. The latest
factor that influences the discussion is the deal that Trevor
Lawrence gets done with the Jacksonville Jaguars. That deal doesn't
help Green Bay, it helps Jordan Love because the average
comes in at fifty five million and breaking news. I
don't believe Jordan is taking less than Trevor Lawrence. I
just don't think he's doing it. Now, look, you can
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ask for that, and you could make the case. You
can make the case that they both accomplished essentially the
same thing. You know, they both won a playoff game
and then both lost a playoff game which they had
the lead on the road against one against the Niners,
the other one against the Kansa Chiefs Like you can
say that, but Trevor Lawrence hasn't done it much better.
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But he's done it longer and more often because he
got a chance right away. And look, obviously Chefter's really good,
but let's not get ourselves the messaging and the numbers.
The ask. That's a great ask. You could ask for
fifty five million, doesn't mean you're gonna get it. If
I'm the Packers and he doesn't want to have a
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discussion unless it starts with Trevor Lawrence's number, I'll just say, hey,
we'll just wait till the end of this year. It's fine.
If the number goes up, that's because he performed well.
If the number stabilizes, it's because he was Okay. If
the number goes down, you dodge yourself a bullet. Did
I just have a bullet?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Why?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I know?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It's why I I don't have that answer.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Miss I missed where Oklahoma was just amazing last year
with you know, two times the resources of everybody in
their league outside of Texas. Like why that's I mean,
it's great, Like if that's the way it works, awesome,
But why, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Yeah, worth more than fifty one million dollars. Met's on
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Doug back to you.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic
joins us. Of course. He spent twenty years in NFL
front offices and scouting. He's a former Gentlem manager of
the tamp Bay Buccaneers. She joined us first weekly visit
here on Fox Sports Radio. I don't know if you
were listening in, but apparently, and again obviously, agents do
this through Adam Schafter. Hey, we're not even starting the
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conversation until it starts at fifty five million, because that's
Trevor Lawrence money. I mean, I love what Jordan Love
was able to do last year and his first year
as a starter. But if I'm the Green Bay Packers,
who are relatively conservative anyway, are we going to really
give him fifty five million plus guaranteed per year after
a year in which you had some really really good
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Yeah it's some okay, but just really one year.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Yeah, you're not there yet. We don't feel like there's
any reason to go there. You know, you need the
more data. I think that's the most important you can
do is grab that dug and get that undereath your belt. Yeah,
you've got three years that he's been there, so technically
he can do a deal. But I'm not pulling that trigger.
I would talk an encounter with Jordan Love's team and say, hey,
look it's I know Trevor Lawrence has got fifty five million,
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and and I believe in you. Let's keep open dialogue
through the season. I'm not going to do anything in
the preseasons just because I need more data points. Because
at least Trevor Lawrence, he's been a starter for three years.
And yes, the Jordan Off out book form he is
one year he did. But here's what I'll do. I'll
get you to fifty seven and a half. I might
even get you to sixty, but I want to see
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it again. And that's and that's usually what you're going
to use in terms of all efforts to say, I'll
make you the highest paid quarterback and I'll take you
up to sixty if you can just show me that
you can do it again, even if it's for half
a season, we'll start in the negotiations. But I've got
to get the first, you know, eight to nine games
under your belt.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
What do you think of the Trevor Lawrence deal.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
I thought it was look, I thought it was too expensive.
Every says, well, the quarterback market just keeps going up,
and that's just what the way the market is. That's
up to that's up to clubs and in agents and
things to figure that out. To make him the highest
paid tied for the highest paid player in the National
League with Joe Burrow based off of his resume. I
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understand that people like to say, well, that's what they're
paying for the pains of the future, not for what
they've got. Well, the future is what they've received so far.
It's way overpaid. And I have a hard time imagining
Trevor Lawrence, knowing the kid that he is, that why
you even five years, two hundred fifty million dollars seemed
a little high. I don't think he walks away from that,
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And so I don't know why the Jaguars felt like
they had to go all the way back up to
fifty five just because that's what the market says. I
disagree with that will hardly.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I don't either. I don't. I don't understand why teams
don't use the leverage that they have, Like do you
want a guy to be on a franchise tag? You know,
if need be, no, but it's there, so you can
have a guy under contract really for seven years, eight years,
even seven years for sure, without any negotiation, without any
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But it's it's like.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
It's just been interesting to watch clubs with your three quarterbacks.
How quick everybody's willing to give your three quarterbacks their deal,
and I'm surprised by that too. And sometimes maybe it's
easier because you know, you're you're full of confidence in
what he's going to do and he's shown you flashes
of doing. But in the case of like a Trevor Lawrence,
it's you know, yeah, he's thrown twenty five touchdowns. Once
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you know your your completion percentage of sixty four. I mean,
Daniel Jones has better numbers than he has. And you know,
I understand it the timing, the market, the cap, but
I just think that the leverages. Hey, look, if you
want to be the bad guy and turned down five years,
two hundred and fifty million dollars and you're going to
not going to show up the camp. I have no
problem letting people in the best because I think every
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person to stand every fan in the country, say, Carol
Lawrence turned on two fifty and he ended up getting
two seventy five, like, but the fact that he would
turn on two, he's not going to do that. So
I just to your point on leverage, I just don't
think it was taking advantage the way it should be.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm I'm with you it's a all right, So now
where where are we with TUA? Because you know, I
mean you could make if you're gonna make that argument
for Jordan Love. Granted two has been hurt hurt whereas
Jordan Loves not, but two has performed better more often
than Jordan Love has. What do you do with the
TUA contract if you're Miami.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Yeah, two is a complete mess. And it's not because
he's not been good. You know, obviously there's a lot
of beliefs in that system is and how how that's
been helpful for to to be productive. That's why every's
hiring people from that system. But the problem is, Doug,
you can be around those numbers, but you're one hit
away from possibly retirement, and how do you protect your
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club in case he goes down with an injury. That's
the scary thing you've got with the of the contract.
I think that's what's slowing it down more than anything.
It is one hit away from Hey, you've got to retire,
and you don't know when that hit could come. And yes,
every player is technically one hit away from retirement. But
two has giving you, you know, a lot more data
to say, you know, be careful here because it could
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really happen. And I think that's the big overlying problem
with how to negotiate this deal. And you know, to me,
it's more of instead of your traditional five year deal,
it may be more of a two or three year deal,
and that way, at least from the club's perspective, if
something dramatic happens, yeah, you're on the hook for some contract,
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but not five years of potential contract and not guaranteed money.
That's you know, out this far, because I'm sure they're
trying to offer a contract does that's you know, in
the realm of average per year, but certainly much much
less in terms of guaranteed money, just so they don't
run into a situation where he has to, you know,
step away from the game.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, that one's a hard one. That was a really
really difficult one as well. Stut Gottlieb show on Box
Sports Radio, I did have kind of a football question
for you in regards to how things all work. I
think we we operate in many ways in the more
is more as fans, and the truth is oftentimes less
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is is truly more, not just in life, but especially
in sports. I was wondering about the RAMS. I have
a couple of RAMS questions for you. The first one is,
you know, you have one of the elite wide receivers
in all of the game, right in Cooper Cup, and
then you have Pooka and you have Puka Nakula who
had an unbelievable year. Does that do they work together? Right?
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Do they work together or or does it work against
each other when you have them both healthy because Cooper
obviously wasn't healthy all of last year.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna work together. I
mean I think it's certainly. I know they're both stealing
catches from each other, and uh, you know, I think
that that's the big question mark is how do you
need to develop the ball? Got to understand his numbers
are probably going to drop a little bit with Cooper
Cup being back on the field, but they're really they've
s been hunting still for that number three for a
long time now, and I don't think they still have
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that that true number three. So that those two are
just going to split the catches and they're both going
to probably get over one hundred catches. You know, we've
seen that before in a long time ago, where you
see you know, the catches are evened out. I think
that'll work. I think it'll work between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think you're right. But it'll be interesting to see
what it does their catches and then what does for
for for for everyone else. Okay, it helped me out
when when a quarterback's wife goes on a podcast and
talks about the quarterbacks love life in college. How do
you handle that when you're the general managers?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
You know, that's one of those fun ones where you know,
like you actually let the agent handle that more than
you have to handle it as a club. You're like, well,
that's that's kind of interesting, you know, but you certainly
the first thing I do is I pick up the
phone and I call the agent, like what's going on, Like,
talk to me about the backstory with why is all
this suddenly become you know, public information And let the
agent do his job. I mean, that's part of what
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he has to do, because I just want to be
able to get the answers to my ownership about why
or what's happening, especially at that position, or to you know,
of course that kind of information, what's going what's the
mindset behind it? But it's more the agent's responsibility, and
you know Matthew's gonna have to deal with that in
the locker room on his own. You know, it's more
the agent's responsibility kind of explain to me why this
is happening and what's what's Is there a problem that
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we need to know about?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I don't that's a that's an interesting one. That's
I guess that's all. That's an interestant. I mean, everybody
in the league I know is talking about it. I
don't know necessary. You know, it's like one of those
what do you say? But man, what is what is
going on there? In a sport which nobody likes distractions?
That is in fact a complete distraction, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Oh yeah, it's a distraction. And you know, I'm sure
you know there's there's stuff going on. I think with
you know where the quarterback market is, and some of
these players that are quarterbacks looking at that market. You
know that some of them are. I'm sure Matthew Stafford's
looking at his pay stuff on is this right? Do
I want to do this? You know, I feel like
I'm underpaid, and I'm sure the Rams are like book.
You know, we've been a great safe for you, and
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that's the Super Bowl ring. So uh, you know, I
think that there's going to be more rumbling just we
get closer to camp, as we've seen these contracts explode
to find out, like what we saw out of Max Cosby,
to be able to raid and just open up the
pocket book and that here's more money. Sorry, this is
what we can do right now. But you know, all
these wide receivers, you know, Marii Cooper's the quarterbacks. When
the market for Trevor Lawrence is fifty five million, don't
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think that when those kind of deals come down for
Justin Jefferson or for you know, Trevor Lawrence, that everybody
who plays those positions called their agents good.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You see that?
Speaker 7 (27:49):
What do you think? You know, what can we do?
How can we make more? You know, because everybody's only
got one in one or two real big bites at
the apple and now it opens up that can of worms.
The NFL is created by accelerating these salaries so quickly,
and it kind of defeated what the hope was. The
hope was with the salary cap that all the boats
would rise and everybody would benefit from it. The clubs
have decided that we'll pay in the premier players, and
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we're going to continue to bid on ourselves or continue
to raise the money. So when people think there's a collusion,
I say, look at Trevor Lawrence, and that proves there's
no collusion.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What about this idea of having a quarterback quarterback a
cap set aside for the rest of the cap.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Yeah, I thought about that, and I'm kind of thought
that might be the safest thing you can do. However,
I just don't think you can technically do that, you know,
I don't know how you can. I guess you can
collectively bargain it, but it would be very interesting to see,
you know, where do you put that up? Because you're right,
we're pacing if Trevor Lawrence is fifty five million, you know, CJ.
(28:47):
Stroud in two more years, sixteen sixty five. I mean,
so we're years away, you know. But now the cap
is supposed to do the cap is supposed to explode,
and there's a lot of people saying the cap might
be up almost fifty percent by the end of the
new by the end of the CBA, meaning it goes
from two forty to you know, three sixty in the
next five to six years. That's a lot and so
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you know it's just a matter of I think what
clubs have to do more is try to stop pushing
the new envelope. You know it's and I think what
players need to do more is it's not about the
average per year. It's a fully amount of how much
as you can get fully guaranteed and be fighting for
more for that. So football starts to suddenly kind of
be more in the baseball, hockey, NBA world instead of
being in the world. There is worth. There's a lot
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of on your guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
All right, Uh, Mark Dominic, Mark, have a great weekend,
always great information. I know it's getting hot down there
in the South, but we're getting closer and close to
football season. Thanks for being our guest. I'm finre you too,
all right. That's my guy. Mark Dominic joined us twenty
years in actual bellegue. Just such balance about all of
his thoughts and statements about where the league is and
where it's going. Come up next to the Gotleig Show.
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This time the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio,
we play a little game. Let's turn over to Dan Buyer.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Danny B.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
What do you got, Doug? The game today is I
got DIBs.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
I got DIBs. This is a new Friday favorite. And
I will admit in our first topic where we just
throw out a topic and all of us will jump in.
By the way, for those that don't understand the game,
we don't do this in order. It's all you just yell,
I got DIBs, and you are in. So there's no
waiting of anyone's turn. That's usually directed at the very
(31:42):
polite Iowa Sam, who's usually lets kind of everybody else talk.
But if Sam, if you want something, you get DIBs
on it right away, all right?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I got you?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
And I am experiencing a little deja vous because I
feel like I may have brought this one up, but
I in my past records I have not found evidence
of this.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
So first topic, Doug, for I.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Are you experiencing dejev? I am are you experiencing dejeva?
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I am over and over again. First topic for I
got dibbs your choice for NBA MVP for next season.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I got DIBs on Joker. Jokers won what three out
of the last four? Is that what it is? And
the one that he didn't win, he was winning until
Kendrick Perkins brought race into it. So I think those
are the stats. I got DIBs on Joker.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I got DIBs on Luca. I think it may be
a career Achievement award. But if he leads the league
in scoring again and they just get top one or
top two, I think that he's gonna end up getting
that award.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I got DIBs on Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Good one.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
You want DIBs on anybody I had Luca in mind,
I'll take I'll do DIBs on a shake, Gil Jose,
Alexander Okay, rising star.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
I wondered if anybody was gonna go with Wenby.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Very very good?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Why is the horse always got to be dark racist?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Very good option, considering the improvement that they could make
for year one and year two.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
All right, there's our first topic.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
All Right, I don't think that any of us have
a favorite hockey team, but if we did, who would
it be your favorite NHL team?
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Go?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I got DIBs on the Flyers because I have a
Flyer's jersey. Oh wow, I was not expecting that, Simone.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I got.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Yes, favorite NHL team. I got DIBs on the Maple Leafs. Yes,
because of the their drought historically underachieving. Yes, something wrong
always seems to happen to them. They seem to be
quite this story. I'd take them Maple Leafs. Plus I
did lead them to a Stanley Cup in NHL twenty four.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Oh yeah, yeh, yes.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Twenty four.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Hey, congrats, hold on, congrats, But like, seriously.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
It may have been NHL twenty three, but it was.
It was so much of an accomplishment that I actually
did take a picture of my TV with my Maple
Leafs team sitting on the screen with their Stanley Cup
in front of them.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I honestly thought you were going to say, ninety three
or ninety four.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Four, NHL ninety four, what a great.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Doug Gilmour was a stut on that team?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Or blades of steel, blades of steel, All.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Right, Leafs and Flyers off the board, you guys want in.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I got DIBs in the Islanders.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Why.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I just remember that when the Oilers were good, the
Islanders were good. That's really it. I and I really
like their logo, the n Y with the long. It's
got like the whole island of Long Lung Island. You
have to say long Island, you have say l O
N and then island starts with a gy. I love Long.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I got DIBs on the Kings only because I have
a bunch of buddies that are Kings fans, and and
I do can't.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Wear that gear Ton't can't wear that gear to high
school in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
No, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Did you know that because you get because you get
shot at, well, you.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Were considered a gang banger if you were it was
gang paraphernalia if you were raiders or or l a
King's gear. In the nineties, when I see Jason, when
I see Jason Stewart walk down the hallways of Breo
Olinda High School, I think potential gang.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Banger, remember the Remember the rumor going around at that time,
But I think has been debunked that gang members. Yes,
if you flash team comes.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Together, Sam, you're you're disrupting this.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I don't think that was, yeah, altergeist in one of
the computers.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Move on, Dan, I lost control over he.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
No, I thought it was. I thought it was if
you wore a British BK right, if you were British
BK had gear, right, that you were considered a blood
killer and you could get shot for wearing BK shoes, right,
all kinds of rumors, Christ meaning that when you go
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up in Brea Olinda, when you go up to the
Brea Olinda School district, which is Brea, California, you know
all about all the gang signs, all the drug deals.
I mean Jason as well, that's a life wells, the.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Rough the shoe would be nothing without the BK button.
Remember that for sure, she would do nothing about the
BK button.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
All right?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Topic number three Favorite MLB hat holiday. And now it
doesn't have to be just a holiday. It could be
spring training, it could be the postseason World Series when
they put the logo on the sides. But Major League
Baseball does a lot of different hats. They do them
for Father Day, they do them for a Mother's Day,
they do them for uh City connect sort of things.
They do them for the Fourth of July, they do
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them for spring training. Trying to give you guys some options.
Favorite MLB hat holiday.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I got dips on. I think it's Memorial Day. Whenever
they whip out the camouflage, I think those.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, I read the script wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I read the script wrong. Here. I thought it said
your favorite Matt holiday, a favorite or.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
A favorite of holiday. You know you have Matt Jackson Trendan. Well,
Grayson is his daughter. Grayson makes great, she makes, she bakes.
I gained ten pounds every time I go Drews. All right, yes,
Drew Holiday, justin holiday, Aaron Holiday. It's a lot of holidays.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
I like the baby boo of baby boot, baby blue
of Father's Day.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Those aren't Those aren't too shabby.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Those are pretty good?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Yeah, pretty good? Yeah, pretty good. Guys have one. I know.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I don't know if Cedar Rapids Colonel Let's do anything
outside of their fitted and adjustable hats.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
But well they did win the Midwest League championship last year,
so I have to give me one of those right now,
just the regular fitted colonel's hat, the one you don't have.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
All right, we are moving on to our final topic
because of time constraints.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yes, favorite aquatic vessel.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
This all on the lake shots that Doug has been
sending us of his beautiful view in Green Bay. Of
Green Bay favorite aquatic vessel. This can go from kayak
all the way up to cruise ship. If you want
jet ski for Doug Jetski.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
How about a nice pontoon boat.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yes, that's why it's got DIBs and just quicker on
the All right, I'll take DIBs on catamarans.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
M really, I've got a bigger pontoon.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I got DIBs on the Titans submersible.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
We're gonna bomb it.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
That's everything in Oh gosh, And that's.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Is game time.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Does it sucks then it blows or does it blow
that it sucks? I'm not really sure, but either one.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
That's too soon.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
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think all of us on some level have been duped
for something before. You could be duped by somebody you dated,
somebody you married, somebody you worked for, somebody you invested with,
somebody you voted for president. You could be duped. He
thought it was one thing, and it's really another. And
(01:06):
it's not that I am not a trustworthy fella. For
the most part. I trust people too much, not too little.
That being said, I didn't buy and this was going
into yesterday's show. In the day before didn't buy for
one second this Rich Paul idea that Ronnie James could
go somewhere on his own outside of where his dad
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would go, and that his dad is a free agent
and could go anywhere to just play basketball. They hire
his podcast partner, who I think most people believe he's
advocated on some level.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Four.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
And look, I don't know what happens in a lot
of people's future. I just don't. I don't think anybody can.
But I do know that Lebron James would beorn a
Laker uniform next year. I mean, if he's not, then
what are the Lakers doing? How disconnected are that that
they don't know? They're star enough to know. But if
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Lebron swears by a guy, your team hires that guy.
And there's all these other things that tell us you're
not you're not going anywhere, like daughter and elementary school,
son in high school, brand new, big mansion. You're still building,
like you're not going to another city. So now you
build up a kind of a base of where they
(02:29):
can where a Bronni can can go and can potentially develop,
and they're just trying to leverage that relationship, which is
all that we've been talking about, and it all is interrelated. Right,
Lebron wants to play with Bronni. His best way to
do so is to do it with the Lakers, and
(02:52):
his best way to do it with the Lakers is
somebody he can work with and maybe quasi control in
a JJ Breddick. It all makes way way, way too
much sense. And if you're denying that, well then you're
just denying all of the past history and what it
would lead you to believe. I don't think drafting or
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playing Bronny gets you any close to an a championship.
I do agree with the idea that it's gonna be
hard to win a championship in your first year and
you're talking about two more years with Lebron. But if
you're JJ recking Lakers, come Colin, you got to pick
up the phone. You got to pick up the phone.
I don't see how you don't pick up the phone.
If that, you know, maybe that's maybe that should be.
(03:37):
Like they did a pole question today on Dan Patrick,
who's going to have a better year me or JJ Reddick. Hey, look,
if I can have Lebron and Anthony Davis, I'll definitely
have a better year. I love my guys all, but
Anthony Davis and Lebron James. You can't win, you know,
fifty plus games with those two and Austin Reives, then
there's something wrong with you. But the difference is in
(04:02):
college basketball, people have to like it and be into it.
You got to raise booster your money, you got to
raise nil, you got to get along on campus. You
have other professors that are coming to see you. You got
the LM's coming to see you. You know, these are
all real things that you really have to do. When
you're in the NBA. All you got to do is
manage personalities and coach ball in that order. In that order,
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will it succeed or will it fail? I guess part
of it is what are you determine to be success?
What are you determine to be a failure? And then
we don't know what his team fully looks like. I mean,
obviously you have to make the playoffs. You got to
get out of the first round, and if you do
in your first year, like then you just kind of
see what happens. But to me, you've tried everything for
(04:52):
Lebron to give him a head coach. You go back
to Cleveland to Miami. There's been a lot of different
be got to coach this guy. And again just to guess,
is he likes Smart. He thinks JJ is among the
smartest dudes in the sport. So he wanted to hire smart.
And if that's who your dad says to hire, and
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he's the best player in the Lakers and one of
the greatest players of all time, then by all means,
if he wants to get picked up in Green Bay
as opposed to Ampleton, you pick him up in Green
Bay as supposed to Appleton. I don't think I'm stating
anything that anybody doesn't know to be unequivocally the truth
the truth. Uh Ja Stu. Are you yearning to see
(05:34):
Lebron and Bronnie Lebron and Bronnie play in the Lakers' uniform?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'll tune in. That'll be interesting. It's kind
of the It's kind of the side show, right. I
don't think that it's going to equal winning, but the
side show of any player playing with the son is
kind of cool. We all remember.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I do.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, Ken Griffy and Kon Griffy and you're playing in
the same game. That was memorable. But yeah, the sideshow
of it, that's that's all it would be. I'm interested, though,
in what the Rich Paul strategy is. It seems like
he's he's thrown out all the stuff, I think with
the hopes that the Lakers take him with that seventeenth pick.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And he's seventeenth pick on a guy he's not raised.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Exactly at all. But that's obviously that's obvious a strategy
here that he doesn't want to settle for being a
second round pick. In my theory is that this speaks
to Lebron's ego, like I'm not going to have a
son that isn't a first rounder, you know. I think
that rich Paul is under a mandate to get Brownie
drafted with that seventeenth pick, and he's just going to
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try all the stops before the draft.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
I'm sure he wants to do. I mean, it's like
anything any parent, you're blinded by love. It is interesting
that one of the great players of all time, he
obviously clearly thinks way more highly of his son than
most people do. But what is rich Paul trying to do?
He's trying to do, but right buy his client. But
it does sound it does sound kind of circus acting
(07:11):
when there. I just I don't buy for one minute
that he would go anything other than the fifties. And
oh yeah, by the way, they basically said, hey, it's
not a package deal. If it's not a package deal,
why would you draft Bronnie James? Makes no sense? Yes,
I was Sam all right.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Back to JJ Reddick for a moment. Darvin Ham's two
teams both went to the playoffs, including his first year
to the conference finals. Where does that set set the
expectations for you with JJ Redick.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The same place as those two teams. I mean, you
got to get to the playoffs. You have lebron James,
you have Anthony Davis. If they're healthy, you got They
got to be in the playoffs, no question. If they're healthy.
If those two are healthy, you got to be in
the playoffs. How far are you going the playoffs? Again? Like,
and maybe this doesn't matter to the masses, but I
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mean you'll be able to know by watching them play
how they're coached. Again, I don't think it's rocket science.
There's no rocket scientists on the sideline. Is it similar
to me? Is it the same as me. It's similar.
You know, JJ wasn't out of he was in the
NBA far, you know, a lot longer than I played
professional basketball. And if you play in the NBA eighty
(08:28):
two games for these good coaches, you learn a ton,
a ton of different sets and whatever, and you know,
finding your own coaching voice and your go and coaching
strategy and how you do things like Remember, like I
have coached like a thousand AAU games and I've coached
other games with professionals before, so I do have some
sense of dealing with it. Now he's played in NBA
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games and he has a different skill set there. But
it's not an impossible task. It's just you're gonna have
to learn a lot and you have eighty two games.
And remember you're still playing coaching Lebron James Nanthony Davis,
and you're they're the Lakers, so you get everybody's best game,
and everybody's gonna want to want to run it.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Up on you.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
There's a lot of challenges there, a lot of challenges.
You know.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
What I find interesting is just the comparison of the
two head coaching moves that were made in the NBA
this week, where you have the worst team in the
NBA and the most storied franchise in the NBA, making
two moves that are completely opposite of each other in
so many different ways, in terms of Montey Williams being
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ousted by the Pistons after just one year and sixty
five million dollars left on his contract, and the Lakers
then hiring JJ Reddick to this point, which had been
rumored for.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
About a month.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
With Reddick obviously for reasons why he wouldn't be under
consideration for other head coaching jobs. He probably wouldn't be
interested in those jobs. But it wasn't like other people
were knocking down their doors to try to just get
an interview with JJ Reddick. We've heard nothing of Charlotte
(10:09):
of Cleveland, of any of these teams, Detroit when it
opened for the day that it was before JJ got
the job coming open, and it just to me, it's
it's just odd that the Pistons are saying we're willing
to eat sixty five million dollars with Manti Williams, who
was loved by everybody of the league, and the Lakers
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are like, you know what, JJ Reddick's going to be
our guy. It's and by saying all of that, what
I'm saying is I don't think it's a great look
for the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
That's just the point.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
The Pistons, well just of the Pistons, are willing to
get rid of a veteran coach and pay sixty five
million dollars to do so because they feel that it's
going to be right for their organization under the new
president of basketball operations. And the Lakers again are hiring
a guy who wasn't under consideration for any other jobs
(11:04):
because it's you know, Lebron's boy is buddy, no question.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Doug Gottlib show here a Fox Sports trader that's the
voice of Dan Byer giving us his sense of the
Lakers and hiring excuse me, hiring JJ Reddick Air as
their head coach. Yeah. I mean, look, it does make
the dynamic different because you have a pre existing more
than friendly relationship with the superstar on the team, But again,
(11:34):
I don't think makes his job more difficult. In order
to get that, In order to get the Lakers to work,
Lebron has to buy into everything you're saying, period. And
to the people who say, well, Lebron will be different,
nobody will talk around him because he's in the locker room, Like,
do you really think Lebron is hanging with those guys
in the locker room when you're forty years old and
you got a kid who's going to be playing professional basketball,
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another one playing high school and a daughter. He's not
like he's hanging out and doing locker room chatter and
they could be fine. So I'll get it based on personnel.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Isn't it going to be interesting though, to listen to
Rob Palinka explain the higher I'm looking forward to that
because I don't know how disingenuine or how genuine he'll be,
But it just I don't know if you've seen, like
the story kind of making the rounds that the Lakers
basically listen to the podcast and a lot of their
(12:24):
opinions about JJ Redick are based on what he said
in the podcast to Lebron. I don't know how truthful
that is. There's this like sequence, this timeline that's been
laid out in the last day where remember that time
that JJ Reddick had it out. He was talking to
Steven A and he's like, you know, I do I
do a video on Zion on wine and I get
(12:45):
like ten thousand views, and then I go off on
doc rivers and I get millions of views. Do people
really want to be educated about the sport? A week later,
he and Lebron have a deal for a podcast. Then
they start talking inside Basketball, and then there's that clip
that we've puted on this show a couple of times
where JJ Reddick basically says, has anybody ever sat you
down and talked about shooting and analytics? And then the
(13:07):
Lebron's like, hell, no, it just I want Polinka to
tell us that this just wasn't him listening to Reddick
do a podcast with Lebron.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
No, I think they convinced themselves he could be pat Riley,
you know, he can be Steve Kerr. I think it's
a bit of a stretch, but I'm definitely willing to
hear it out. So I think that's going to be interesting.
I don't know if it was because of listen to
a podcast as much as the overwhelming support of pod
(13:37):
and the thought that here's a brilliant basketball mind and
that'll be easy, But yeah, it's going to be fascinating.
I do think you could. I could get you five
minutes on his calendar. Both of my boss. You get
five minutes in the calendar and see what he thinks.
If you like.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
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to begin negotiations for Jordan Love is at fifty five
million dollars. Fifty five million dollars. Now, what we don't
(14:28):
know with that number is we don't know if that
if that means anything in regards to whether or not
it has to be fifteen to five million guaranteed per year. Right,
So that's that's a little bit of what we don't know.
But I guess the question is, like, look, were here's
what we have.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
We have.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
We have all of these people, We have all these
people who have seen Jordan Love, and they were we
believe wrong about Jordan Love, and we believe wrong about
Jordan Lave and in an effort to overcorrect now we're
going to give h one hundred fifty five million, I
mean fifty five million a year, you know. And we
(15:10):
talked with Andrew Brank yesterday and he said, how you
know in the packers, all they do in terms of
guaranteed money is in the first year. Obviously, you can
change some of that with signing bonus and some of
the signing bonuses extended to the second year. It doesn't matter.
You get your first three years upfront anyway in these
new deals, regardless of its first year otherwise. But it's like,
I mean, we all think he's really good, and common
(15:33):
logic says he's going to get better. But is he
that good and going to get that much better?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
You know?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think about this. This is what Adam Schefter had
to say during an interview with ESPM Milwaukee. The latest
factor that influences the discussion is the deal that Trevor
Lawrence gets done with the Jacksonville Jaguars. That deal doesn't
help Green Bay, it helps Jordan Love because the average
comes in at fifty five million and breaking news. I
don't believe Jordan is taking less than Trevor Lawrence. I
just don't think he's doing it. Now, look, you can
(16:04):
ask for that, and you could make the case. You
can make the case that they both accomplished essentially the
same thing. You know, they both won a playoff game
and then both lost a playoff game which they had
the lead on the road against one against the Niners,
the other one against the Kansa Chiefs Like you can
say that, but Trevor Lawrence hasn't done it much better.
(16:28):
But he's done it longer and more often because he
got a chance right away. And look, obviously Chefter's really good,
but let's not get ourselves the messaging and the numbers.
The ask. That's a great ask. You could ask for
fifty five million, doesn't mean you're gonna get it. If
I'm the Packers and he doesn't want to have a
(16:50):
discussion unless it starts with Trevor Lawrence's number, I'll just say, hey,
we'll just wait till the end of this year. It's fine.
If the number goes up, that's because he performed well.
If the number stabilizes, it's because he was Okay. If
the number goes down, you dodge yourself a bullet. Did
I just have a bullet?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Why?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I know?
Speaker 5 (17:10):
It's why I I don't have that answer.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Miss I missed where Oklahoma was just amazing last year
with you know, two times the resources of everybody in
their league outside of Texas. Like why that's I mean,
it's great, Like if that's the way it works, awesome,
But why, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
Yeah, worth more than fifty one million dollars. Met's on
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Doug back to you.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic
joins us. Of course. He spent twenty years in NFL
front offices and scouting. He's a former Gentlem manager of
the tamp Bay Buccaneers. She joined us first weekly visit
here on Fox Sports Radio. I don't know if you
were listening in, but apparently, and again obviously, agents do
this through Adam Schafter. Hey, we're not even starting the
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conversation until it starts at fifty five million, because that's
Trevor Lawrence money. I mean, I love what Jordan Love
was able to do last year and his first year
as a starter. But if I'm the Green Bay Packers,
who are relatively conservative anyway, are we going to really
give him fifty five million plus guaranteed per year after
a year in which you had some really really good
(18:54):
Yeah it's some okay, but just really one year.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
Yeah, you're not there yet. We don't feel like there's
any reason to go there. You know, you need the
more data. I think that's the most important you can
do is grab that dug and get that undereath your belt. Yeah,
you've got three years that he's been there, so technically
he can do a deal. But I'm not pulling that trigger.
I would talk an encounter with Jordan Love's team and say, hey,
look it's I know Trevor Lawrence has got fifty five million,
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and and I believe in you. Let's keep open dialogue
through the season. I'm not going to do anything in
the preseasons just because I need more data points. Because
at least Trevor Lawrence, he's been a starter for three years.
And yes, the Jordan Off out book form he is
one year he did. But here's what I'll do. I'll
get you to fifty seven and a half. I might
even get you to sixty, but I want to see
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it again. And that's and that's usually what you're going
to use in terms of all efforts to say, I'll
make you the highest paid quarterback and I'll take you
up to sixty if you can just show me that
you can do it again, even if it's for half
a season, we'll start in the negotiations. But I've got
to get the first, you know, eight to nine games
under your belt.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
What do you think of the Trevor Lawrence deal.
Speaker 7 (20:00):
I thought it was look, I thought it was too expensive.
Every says, well, the quarterback market just keeps going up,
and that's just what the way the market is. That's
up to that's up to clubs and in agents and
things to figure that out. To make him the highest
paid tied for the highest paid player in the National
League with Joe Burrow based off of his resume. I
(20:20):
understand that people like to say, well, that's what they're
paying for the pains of the future, not for what
they've got. Well, the future is what they've received so far.
It's way overpaid. And I have a hard time imagining
Trevor Lawrence, knowing the kid that he is, that why
you even five years, two hundred fifty million dollars seemed
a little high. I don't think he walks away from that,
(20:41):
And so I don't know why the Jaguars felt like
they had to go all the way back up to
fifty five just because that's what the market says. I
disagree with that will hardly.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I don't either. I don't. I don't understand why teams
don't use the leverage that they have, Like do you
want a guy to be on a franchise tag? You know,
if need be, no, but it's there, so you can
have a guy under contract really for seven years, eight years,
even seven years for sure, without any negotiation, without any
(21:12):
But it's it's like.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
It's just been interesting to watch clubs with your three quarterbacks.
How quick everybody's willing to give your three quarterbacks their deal,
and I'm surprised by that too. And sometimes maybe it's
easier because you know, you're you're full of confidence in
what he's going to do and he's shown you flashes
of doing. But in the case of like a Trevor Lawrence,
it's you know, yeah, he's thrown twenty five touchdowns. Once
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you know your your completion percentage of sixty four. I mean,
Daniel Jones has better numbers than he has. And you know,
I understand it the timing, the market, the cap, but
I just think that the leverages. Hey, look, if you
want to be the bad guy and turned down five years,
two hundred and fifty million dollars and you're going to
not going to show up the camp. I have no
problem letting people in the best because I think every
(21:57):
person to stand every fan in the country, say, Carol
Lawrence turned on two fifty and he ended up getting
two seventy five, like, but the fact that he would
turn on two, he's not going to do that. So
I just to your point on leverage, I just don't
think it was taking advantage the way it should be.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm I'm with you it's a all right, So now
where where are we with TUA? Because you know, I
mean you could make if you're gonna make that argument
for Jordan Love. Granted two has been hurt hurt whereas
Jordan Loves not, but two has performed better more often
than Jordan Love has. What do you do with the
TUA contract if you're Miami.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Yeah, two is a complete mess. And it's not because
he's not been good. You know, obviously there's a lot
of beliefs in that system is and how how that's
been helpful for to to be productive. That's why every's
hiring people from that system. But the problem is, Doug,
you can be around those numbers, but you're one hit
away from possibly retirement, and how do you protect your
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club in case he goes down with an injury. That's
the scary thing you've got with the of the contract.
I think that's what's slowing it down more than anything.
It is one hit away from Hey, you've got to retire,
and you don't know when that hit could come. And yes,
every player is technically one hit away from retirement. But
two has giving you, you know, a lot more data
to say, you know, be careful here because it could
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really happen. And I think that's the big overlying problem
with how to negotiate this deal. And you know, to me,
it's more of instead of your traditional five year deal,
it may be more of a two or three year deal,
and that way, at least from the club's perspective, if
something dramatic happens, yeah, you're on the hook for some contract,
(23:36):
but not five years of potential contract and not guaranteed money.
That's you know, out this far, because I'm sure they're
trying to offer a contract does that's you know, in
the realm of average per year, but certainly much much
less in terms of guaranteed money, just so they don't
run into a situation where he has to, you know,
step away from the game.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, that one's a hard one. That was a really
really difficult one as well. Stut Gottlieb show on Box
Sports Radio, I did have kind of a football question
for you in regards to how things all work. I
think we we operate in many ways in the more
is more as fans, and the truth is oftentimes less
(24:16):
is is truly more, not just in life, but especially
in sports. I was wondering about the RAMS. I have
a couple of RAMS questions for you. The first one is,
you know, you have one of the elite wide receivers
in all of the game, right in Cooper Cup, and
then you have Pooka and you have Puka Nakula who
had an unbelievable year. Does that do they work together? Right?
(24:39):
Do they work together or or does it work against
each other when you have them both healthy because Cooper
obviously wasn't healthy all of last year.
Speaker 7 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's gonna work together. I
mean I think it's certainly. I know they're both stealing
catches from each other, and uh, you know, I think
that that's the big question mark is how do you
need to develop the ball? Got to understand his numbers
are probably going to drop a little bit with Cooper
Cup being back on the field, but they're really they've
s been hunting still for that number three for a
long time now, and I don't think they still have
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that that true number three. So that those two are
just going to split the catches and they're both going
to probably get over one hundred catches. You know, we've
seen that before in a long time ago, where you
see you know, the catches are evened out. I think
that'll work. I think it'll work between the two of them.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I think you're right. But it'll be interesting to see
what it does their catches and then what does for
for for for everyone else. Okay, it helped me out
when when a quarterback's wife goes on a podcast and
talks about the quarterbacks love life in college. How do
you handle that when you're the general managers?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
You know, that's one of those fun ones where you know,
like you actually let the agent handle that more than
you have to handle it as a club. You're like, well,
that's that's kind of interesting, you know, but you certainly
the first thing I do is I pick up the
phone and I call the agent, like what's going on, Like,
talk to me about the backstory with why is all
this suddenly become you know, public information And let the
agent do his job. I mean, that's part of what
(26:11):
he has to do, because I just want to be
able to get the answers to my ownership about why
or what's happening, especially at that position, or to you know,
of course that kind of information, what's going what's the
mindset behind it? But it's more the agent's responsibility, and
you know Matthew's gonna have to deal with that in
the locker room on his own. You know, it's more
the agent's responsibility kind of explain to me why this
is happening and what's what's Is there a problem that
(26:33):
we need to know about?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I don't that's a that's an interesting one. That's
I guess that's all. That's an interestant. I mean, everybody
in the league I know is talking about it. I
don't know necessary. You know, it's like one of those
what do you say? But man, what is what is
going on there? In a sport which nobody likes distractions?
That is in fact a complete distraction, isn't it?
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Oh yeah, it's a distraction. And you know, I'm sure
you know there's there's stuff going on. I think with
you know where the quarterback market is, and some of
these players that are quarterbacks looking at that market. You
know that some of them are. I'm sure Matthew Stafford's
looking at his pay stuff on is this right? Do
I want to do this? You know, I feel like
I'm underpaid, and I'm sure the Rams are like book.
You know, we've been a great safe for you, and
(27:17):
that's the Super Bowl ring. So uh, you know, I
think that there's going to be more rumbling just we
get closer to camp, as we've seen these contracts explode
to find out, like what we saw out of Max Cosby,
to be able to raid and just open up the
pocket book and that here's more money. Sorry, this is
what we can do right now. But you know, all
these wide receivers, you know, Marii Cooper's the quarterbacks. When
the market for Trevor Lawrence is fifty five million, don't
(27:40):
think that when those kind of deals come down for
Justin Jefferson or for you know, Trevor Lawrence, that everybody
who plays those positions called their agents good.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You see that?
Speaker 7 (27:49):
What do you think? You know, what can we do?
How can we make more? You know, because everybody's only
got one in one or two real big bites at
the apple and now it opens up that can of worms.
The NFL is created by accelerating these salaries so quickly,
and it kind of defeated what the hope was. The
hope was with the salary cap that all the boats
would rise and everybody would benefit from it. The clubs
have decided that we'll pay in the premier players, and
(28:10):
we're going to continue to bid on ourselves or continue
to raise the money. So when people think there's a collusion,
I say, look at Trevor Lawrence, and that proves there's
no collusion.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What about this idea of having a quarterback quarterback a
cap set aside for the rest of the cap.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Yeah, I thought about that, and I'm kind of thought
that might be the safest thing you can do. However,
I just don't think you can technically do that, you know,
I don't know how you can. I guess you can
collectively bargain it, but it would be very interesting to see,
you know, where do you put that up? Because you're right,
we're pacing if Trevor Lawrence is fifty five million, you know, CJ.
(28:47):
Stroud in two more years, sixteen sixty five. I mean,
so we're years away, you know. But now the cap
is supposed to do the cap is supposed to explode,
and there's a lot of people saying the cap might
be up almost fifty percent by the end of the
new by the end of the CBA, meaning it goes
from two forty to you know, three sixty in the
next five to six years. That's a lot and so
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you know it's just a matter of I think what
clubs have to do more is try to stop pushing
the new envelope. You know it's and I think what
players need to do more is it's not about the
average per year. It's a fully amount of how much
as you can get fully guaranteed and be fighting for
more for that. So football starts to suddenly kind of
be more in the baseball, hockey, NBA world instead of
being in the world. There is worth. There's a lot
(29:31):
of on your guaranteed contracts.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
All right, Uh, Mark Dominic, Mark, have a great weekend,
always great information. I know it's getting hot down there
in the South, but we're getting closer and close to
football season. Thanks for being our guest. I'm finre you too,
all right. That's my guy. Mark Dominic joined us twenty
years in actual bellegue. Just such balance about all of
his thoughts and statements about where the league is and
where it's going. Come up next to the Gotleig Show.
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This time the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Tradio,
we play a little game. Let's turn over to Dan Buyer.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Danny B.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
What do you got, Doug? The game today is I
got DIBs.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
I got DIBs. This is a new Friday favorite. And
I will admit in our first topic where we just
throw out a topic and all of us will jump in.
By the way, for those that don't understand the game,
we don't do this in order. It's all you just yell,
I got DIBs, and you are in. So there's no
waiting of anyone's turn. That's usually directed at the very
(31:42):
polite Iowa Sam, who's usually lets kind of everybody else talk.
But if Sam, if you want something, you get DIBs
on it right away, all right?
Speaker 5 (31:50):
I got you?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
And I am experiencing a little deja vous because I
feel like I may have brought this one up, but
I in my past records I have not found evidence
of this.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
So first topic, Doug, for I.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Are you experiencing dejev? I am are you experiencing dejeva?
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I am over and over again. First topic for I
got dibbs your choice for NBA MVP for next season.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I got DIBs on Joker. Jokers won what three out
of the last four? Is that what it is? And
the one that he didn't win, he was winning until
Kendrick Perkins brought race into it. So I think those
are the stats. I got DIBs on Joker.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
I got DIBs on Luca. I think it may be
a career Achievement award. But if he leads the league
in scoring again and they just get top one or
top two, I think that he's gonna end up getting
that award.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I got DIBs on Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Good one.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
You want DIBs on anybody I had Luca in mind,
I'll take I'll do DIBs on a shake, Gil Jose,
Alexander Okay, rising star.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
I wondered if anybody was gonna go with Wenby.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Very very good?
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Why is the horse always got to be dark racist?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Very good option, considering the improvement that they could make
for year one and year two.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
All right, there's our first topic.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
All Right, I don't think that any of us have
a favorite hockey team, but if we did, who would
it be your favorite NHL team?
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Go?
Speaker 4 (33:38):
I got DIBs on the Flyers because I have a
Flyer's jersey. Oh wow, I was not expecting that, Simone.
Speaker 5 (33:46):
I got.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Yes, favorite NHL team. I got DIBs on the Maple Leafs. Yes,
because of the their drought historically underachieving. Yes, something wrong
always seems to happen to them. They seem to be
quite this story. I'd take them Maple Leafs. Plus I
did lead them to a Stanley Cup in NHL twenty four.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Oh yeah, yeh, yes.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Twenty four.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Hey, congrats, hold on, congrats, But like, seriously.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
It may have been NHL twenty three, but it was.
It was so much of an accomplishment that I actually
did take a picture of my TV with my Maple
Leafs team sitting on the screen with their Stanley Cup
in front of them.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I honestly thought you were going to say, ninety three
or ninety four.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Four, NHL ninety four, what a great.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
Doug Gilmour was a stut on that team?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Or blades of steel, blades of steel, All.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Right, Leafs and Flyers off the board, you guys want in.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I got DIBs in the Islanders.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Why.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
I just remember that when the Oilers were good, the
Islanders were good. That's really it. I and I really
like their logo, the n Y with the long. It's
got like the whole island of Long Lung Island. You
have to say long Island, you have say l O
N and then island starts with a gy. I love Long.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
I got DIBs on the Kings only because I have
a bunch of buddies that are Kings fans, and and
I do can't.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Wear that gear Ton't can't wear that gear to high
school in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
No, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Did you know that because you get because you get
shot at, well, you.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Were considered a gang banger if you were it was
gang paraphernalia if you were raiders or or l a
King's gear. In the nineties, when I see Jason, when
I see Jason Stewart walk down the hallways of Breo
Olinda High School, I think potential gang.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Banger, remember the Remember the rumor going around at that time,
But I think has been debunked that gang members. Yes,
if you flash team comes.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Together, Sam, you're you're disrupting this.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
I don't think that was, yeah, altergeist in one of
the computers.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Move on, Dan, I lost control over he.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
No, I thought it was. I thought it was if
you wore a British BK right, if you were British
BK had gear, right, that you were considered a blood
killer and you could get shot for wearing BK shoes, right,
all kinds of rumors, Christ meaning that when you go
(36:26):
up in Brea Olinda, when you go up to the
Brea Olinda School district, which is Brea, California, you know
all about all the gang signs, all the drug deals.
I mean Jason as well, that's a life wells, the.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Rough the shoe would be nothing without the BK button.
Remember that for sure, she would do nothing about the
BK button.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
All right?
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Topic number three Favorite MLB hat holiday. And now it
doesn't have to be just a holiday. It could be
spring training, it could be the postseason World Series when
they put the logo on the sides. But Major League
Baseball does a lot of different hats. They do them
for Father Day, they do them for a Mother's Day,
they do them for uh City connect sort of things.
They do them for the Fourth of July, they do
(37:06):
them for spring training. Trying to give you guys some options.
Favorite MLB hat holiday.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
I got dips on. I think it's Memorial Day. Whenever
they whip out the camouflage, I think those.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, I read the script wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I read the script wrong. Here. I thought it said
your favorite Matt holiday, a favorite or.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
A favorite of holiday. You know you have Matt Jackson Trendan. Well,
Grayson is his daughter. Grayson makes great, she makes, she bakes.
I gained ten pounds every time I go Drews. All right, yes,
Drew Holiday, justin holiday, Aaron Holiday. It's a lot of holidays.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
I like the baby boo of baby boot, baby blue
of Father's Day.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Those aren't Those aren't too shabby.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Those are pretty good?
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Yeah, pretty good? Yeah, pretty good. Guys have one. I know.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
I don't know if Cedar Rapids Colonel Let's do anything
outside of their fitted and adjustable hats.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
But well they did win the Midwest League championship last year,
so I have to give me one of those right now,
just the regular fitted colonel's hat, the one you don't have.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
All right, we are moving on to our final topic
because of time constraints.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yes, favorite aquatic vessel.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
This all on the lake shots that Doug has been
sending us of his beautiful view in Green Bay. Of
Green Bay favorite aquatic vessel. This can go from kayak
all the way up to cruise ship. If you want
jet ski for Doug Jetski.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
How about a nice pontoon boat.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yes, that's why it's got DIBs and just quicker on
the All right, I'll take DIBs on catamarans.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
M really, I've got a bigger pontoon.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I got DIBs on the Titans submersible.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
We're gonna bomb it.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
That's everything in Oh gosh, And that's.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Is game time.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Does it sucks then it blows or does it blow
that it sucks? I'm not really sure, but either one.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
That's too soon.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
That's next live fromthe tyrag dot com studios. The weekend
is about to get ready. Let's crack up in a
beverage and share what we're looking forward to most. That's right,
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