April 28, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug gives his take on the Shedeur Sanders slide in the NFL Draft and why he thinks we are going to look back on this weekend and ask "why did we care so much about this?". Doug welcomes NFL Media's Draft analyst Lance Zierlein onto the show to talk about Shedeur, Cam Ward and all of the headlines from the draft. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Excuse me, coming to you from from beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin.
What a great day we have for you, awesome show,
tremendous sports weekend. We'll do most of the NFL Draft
this hour, little NBA at the back end of the hour,
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all the all the regular participants are here, so welcome in.
I'm just I'm really happy you guys could all make it.
We had a great week last week, I mean Draft
week in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I felt like it was
something super super special, super special, and we just posted
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out this video of the event. We had that Frank Calliando,
Dan Patrick, and so many others. My guy Tom Telesco
came by for it was good to see so many
and you know, when you're in Green Bay generally people
do show up for Packers games, but otherwise you have
to go visit others as opposed to them coming to
visit you. That was different last week. If you think
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back in your life, even if you think back in
the past couple of years, I guarantee, or I don't guarantee, Yeah,
I guarantee there's something that you're like, I can't believe
I cared that much about it at the time. And
that's where I think we are with with Shador Sanders, right. Like,
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I know there were other draft picks. I'm completely aware
that there are other draft picks. I just didn't hear
about any of them last weekend. There was so much
noise about Shador so much, and it just it makes
it hard for us to even have some sort of
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sense of who did well, who did poorly? What's the
rest of the draft look? Like, I know, within your
own team, you're probably very very well versed as to
who they got. But in terms of in totality, that
draft was made a mess by Shador Sanders. On many
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draft boards, and we're talking about in mock drafts not
having to do with the NFL had him going somewhere
in the first round and he ends up falling to
the fifth round. If you compile that with the fact
that he wasn't even the first quarterback the Browns took.
They took Dylan Gabriel in the third round, you start
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to stop and think to yourself, holy cow, Like that
is just the weirdest pick ever. Even though the Browns
don't have a quarterback. The old expression is if you
have two quarterbacks, you don't have one. What if he
have five? You know, what if you have five? They
gave Joe Flacco legit money. Joe Flacco's went a Super Bowl.
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Joe Flacco has shown himself to be the consonman backup. Right,
they have the albatross contract of Deshaun Watson. They also
went out and signed Kenny Pickett right, who is a
former first round draft pick. He's been mostly a career
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backup after his time starting in Pittsburgh. So when he
signs a contract with the Cleveland Browns, granted not a
big contract two point six million dollars, but he has
a couple of years as a starter under his belt. Like,
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you start to look and go like they might keep three,
but which three are they going to keep? Because you
can't cut Deshaun Watson. Obviously he's not gonna be healthy.
He's gonna be on the ir Then you have a
bunch of others. What do you do with those? But
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I just think we're gonna look at this thing and go, Man,
we cared way, way, way too much about Shudor Sanders. Actually,
mel Kiper cared way too much about shud Door Sanders.
Here's mel Kiper Junior late in the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, you're not. You don't have to sell it to me.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, what we're talking about, Right, you're right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You're right, but you know what the draft is. That's right.
That's the key mail.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's not it's not putting a value judgment of whether
those vas play right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They did.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
So.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Now, whenever you're in circumstances in life, whether you liked them,
whether you don't like them, whether they're fair, whether they're unfair,
you might have to deal with no Shadeer Sandman has
to deal with every temper whatever reason, whether he played
a minute, microscopic percentage, zero percentage, or it's a legitimate
criticism of the way he conducted himself during the draft process.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
This was the result.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Now he has an opportunity to answer it.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
There's not.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I mean, I think yelling at the NFL about it,
it's not not a quarterback at boomer size, and was
not happy when he was the second round they dropped.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
How'd they turn out?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Argument by that?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Why that can happen?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
The NFL has been clueless for fifty years when it
comes to evaluating quarterback, clueless all that no idea what
they're doing.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
There's an evaluating quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's proof.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
There's proof of that. We know exactly what we're talking
about with quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
He's right, He's right. Mel also did not have failed
to point out that he's gotten some He's got plenty
of picks wrong in terms of what somebody's evail is.
The mel kiper junior aspect of it is really interesting
because I do think he belongs in the in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, as Dan Patrick suggested going
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back to last week. But I also think that and look,
this is a mel either continues on or almost feels
like a seminal moment where you're like, yeah, it might
be time to put that one out to pasture. And
and there's a couple of reasons why. But I was
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told this last week that you know, at his peak,
he was amazing, but he's passed his peak. And the
reason is they've had so much turnover in terms of
general managers. He used to know talk to travel to
see everybody. Mel for twenty five years has been a
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little bit of a recluse because he's had issues with traveling.
Got some very minor in terms of health issues that
I know about, but it does limit his ability to travel,
and so he's not really as connected in the league
as he used to be. And that's why he's so
off on this one. Who in the hell is mel kiper? Yeah?
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I mean, look, he was the guy and now there
are copies of a copy and there are other guys
that do film study, but that one was hard to watch.
Who's like personally bothered by it? And I think that
the tough part about Shador is he doesn't present himself
as crazy, likable. Matter of fact, it's the opposite of that.
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It's the opposite of that. This is mu Marosaia say
on his New York radio show earlier today talking about
the reason behind shador slide.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Shador Sanders just torpedoed himself. Is added two off the
field at the combine. His dad didn't help him either.
You know, he was on podcast talking about this is
my son. If I can get him to where I
want to get him to, I'm going to do that.
But you know, when you listen to this kid talk
right prior or at the combine about it, if you
want a new culture in your locker room, I'm the
guy to do that.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I can turn it around.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
I mean, he's very high on himself, and I think
he was very off, pitting off, putting too many many
coaches and general managers in the league. And I'm telling
you right now, and I know this after talking to
three different personnel people in the NFL this weekend. They
didn't even have him on his board on their board.
They took him off, and they took them off because
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the owner said, take them off. I don't want that guy.
I don't want this entitled person on our team. And
I don't blame him.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean again, I think when when you read
Scouts views on him, there's a missing amount of arm
talent athletic talent as well, but that be made up
for when if you're somebody that everybody loves, and I've
heard people say, well, you didn't say this about It's
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not true. It's just not true. Stop it. Everyone knows
it not to be true. It's the most criticized and
praised position in all of sports. So please don't say
that it's because of this, that's because of that. Additionally,
there's plenty of video out there, and none of the
video presents himself as somebody who's humble, hard working, understood
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gets it. Okay, he's the embodiment of an entitled jerk
he is. Now, whether that's an actor that's who he
really is, I don't know, and I don't care. I'm
telling you though, that all of the things you're hearing
is just confirmation biased when you see it on TV,
when you watch it in games. And I don't evaluate
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quarterbacks for a living. Did I think that he would
step up and make big plays? Sure, but it was
all dink and dunk. He did have the best wide
receiver in the country. He did only play for his
dad ever in football, you know, growing up as a kid,
into high school, into college, two different colleges, always played
for his dad. So there's a daddy ball element to it.
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And his dad was obnoxious and he like the only
reason the Browns could have drafted him. Was the owner
stepped in and said draft him when he blew off
the Browns in their meeting. You guys have all heard
the stories by now, and all the stories may not
be true, but if half of them are, that's probably enough.
No one says you have to cow town. You have
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to cow to it. You have to bow your head
to people, You have to No, you could be confident,
you can be respectful. He can't be an a hole,
and he presented himself as one, and you're not town
enough to overcome the perception of him being a negative.
It's just not.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
So.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I feel like we're gonna look back and go I
can't believe so many were so invested in this. You know,
we're so invested in it. It's a little bit like
Ross and Rachel when they broke up. You know you
had to know in a TV series they were gonna
get back together. It's a little bit like the start
of a Mission Impossible movie. Tom Cruise is gonna make
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it through the movie, no matter what the stunt is,
no matter how unbelievable is, Tom Cruise is gonna make
it through the movie. Yet, in that first opening scene,
when he does some ridiculous stunt. You're stating yourself, going like,
I don't know, is he gonna make it? Yeah, it's
the first fifteen minutes of the movie. He's gonna be
there an hour forty five in, you know, unless he
dies and they do a flashback, which doesn't feel like
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an MI. I feel we're gonna look back five ten
years from now and you're gonna find some diamond in
the rough who went in the twenty twenty five draft,
and you're gonna think to yourself, how have I how'd
that guy? How did I not know this was happening?
And the answer is really simple, Shadhor Sanders. We cared
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way too much about a guy who is just taking
too much of our too much of our time.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
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Speaker 1 (12:25):
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for NFL Media get his thoughts on the draft. Kim
Ward and Yes, short Byer you were you were in
La your home State of Wisconsin put on a great show.
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Give me your thoughts on the Shador thing on how
it it really took over took over the draft.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
Yeah, I actually think that there are some parallels to
what happened in the NBA draft last summer.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Not a great draft class at all. I mean it
was zachar Reza that.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Went number one overall in the draft, and we really
didn't pay much mind to a lot of the players
in the NBA Draft, but we did pay attention to
Bronnie James, and I felt like that was this situation.
There weren't a lot of guys headline makers in this draft.
It was a bad draft class, something that we've talked
about for weeks on this show. So then when you
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have a player who was really one of the players
that you would to talk about, one of the very
select few, then have the fall that he did, I
think it naturally then just overtook the entire weekend.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, it was, I mean it was the whole I mean,
it really did overtake the whole weekend. It was like
because it didn't happen the first day, it didn't happen
the second day, and then you're like wow, Yeah, I mean,
and then you know, Sunday was left to kind of
clean up Aisle six and what was the biggest storyline?
Speaker 8 (13:54):
It had to be that one, you know, and you're
hearing you off the top, and we were even talking
in the breaks. I think all of us have a
different opinions whatever on the Kuiper situation. I actually think
it was a huge win for ESPN. Whether Kuiper was
right or wrong, and he was obviously wrong on the
evaluation of Shoud or Sanders, but he wasn't the only one.
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But isn't that part of what mel Kuiper is. I mean,
we had a was it, I feel a draft or
I got dibbs where we were talking draft moments and
we're still playing the mel Kuiper cut from thirty years ago.
So I think that obviously, obviously, like those misjudgments haven't
hurt his career at all. And so I actually think
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that outside of shud Or Sanders, mel Kuiper was the
second most talked about person at this NFL draft, And
if I'm ESPN, I actually am happy about it because
now next year people are going to say, well, what's
Mel gonna say this year? Or who does Mel have
is he gonna hit or miss? And I think it could,
you know, becomes more of a conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, it's It's a really good way of looking at it.
I think that the point the difference is when you
take a guy, it's like almost better for him. If
a guy goes earlier than he should. Then if he
calls out the whole league and basically calls the league idiots. Sure,
you know, I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Like, Okay, I always think he's fighting for respect too,
even after all these years, because he's not been on
He's not on the other side of the velvet rope.
Wasn't a scout like Daniel Jeremiah, not in the front office.
He's kind of been the I don't want to say
the outsider because it doesn't feel right. But he's not
an NFL personnel guy, and I feel that he's Maybe
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there's like a bit of an insecurity in that, and
that came out even after all of these years of
doing it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But I don't know if that's it. I really don't
know if that's it. You know, there's a bunch of
different thoughts on what it could be. Look, I've worked
enough with Bell to know he's a as a person,
a gem.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Of a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Sure, everybody really likes him. I don't think it's that insecurity.
I think it's one of two things. He just couldn't
believe it, or he's like I, you know. One of
the things Mel does is Mel is not an old
school personnel guy, right, he doesn't. He doesn't like have
out his notebook and go to college games and grade
stuff out. He talks to people and he kind of
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gets consistency views from people that he trusts, and I
almost feel like this is him. Last Yanna, I can't
believe all these guys I trust told me something that's
not true. It's Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's let's catch up with Lancer Line, NFL draft analysts
for the NFL media. For NFL Media, the one name
that that kind of overtook all the NFL Draft was
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not the number one player taken in cam Ward. Instead,
it was Shador. What was your eval of Shador throughout
throughout the last couple of years at SeeU, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I had, you know, I didn't focus as much on
his twenty three tape. Usually I watched two years on quarterbacks.
I watched his touchdowns and his interceptions, and that was
about it. I watched one game from there, but I
thought he was a lot better in twenty four, so
I focused most of my evaluation.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Conversely, I focused most of my email on quinn Ewers
on twenty three because I know he was hurt from
much twenty four. In terms of Shador, you know, it
was a pretty it was a pretty easy email to me.
I thought I put a bottom of the second round
grade on him. I thought he was the second best
quarterback in this draft, behind cam Ord, who had a
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high second round grade to late first round grade. Now,
from a projection standpoint, obviously, you know those guys typically
get pushed up a little bit if you're first and
second in the class. But you know, from an evaluation standpoint,
very average arm strength, very average off platform, adequate in
terms of timing, extremely accurate throwers, a good accuracy, terrific
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poise in the pocket, he's got good pocket maneuverability, so
he can slide around the pocket. He's not the fastest
guy outside of the pocket, but in the pocket he's
pretty elusive. It takes way too many sacks, holds onto
it and plays hero ball way too often has the
ability to work all three levels, but needs to work
with timing. He's a player who's very tough when he's
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in there, and he's extremely confident and you know, brash
airing and whatever you want to say. I like the
confidence in the pocket. He doesn't get easily rattled. You
get a sense that he's not trying to convince himself
that he's a tough quarterback. It's just it comes naturally
for him. So a lot of what I liked about
Shaul dor Sanders had to do with intangibles, which I
don't minimize. I think a lot of times when we
look at why a quarterbacks succeeded that we didn't expect,
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it comes down to intangibles. I think you have to
factor that in, but make a mistake. He's a game
manager who tries to play like a playmaker a little
bit too often. So the concern for me was going
to be could he not try to be prime son?
You know, his own brand and quote unquote, you know legendary.
Can he can he get guy that drives the ship?
And I had some concern and I still do have
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concerns about whether or not he can be okay, just
being a game manager, and.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Then you factor in the other parts, right, then you
factor in how he handled himself with teams. I mean,
it's the there were only you know, I don't know
six seven teams that felt like they need a starting
caliber quarterback. And if you don't grade out as one
on some people's or you're on the board line, and
then you blow off a couple of those six or seven,
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you're you're almost asking for this sort of result, aren't you.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Yeah, Now, when it comes to me putting a grade
on a guy, I don't you know, it's all take
the off the field stuff and the you know that
comes later in terms of my assessment when I'm doing
TV things like that. Whenever I hear stories and I
have to be honest with you, I found out a
lot more. I expected him to fall out of day one.
I'd heard the Giants like like Jackson Dart, so I
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expected the Giants and the Saints to be the two
teams that try to trade up into the first round
kind of battle each other. For Jackson Dart. That was
my expectation. I thought Schador could go in there somewhere,
if maybe the Browns traded up for him, but really,
you know, I've had him at twenty nine, twenty four
to twenty one. Oh, I thought that Steelers at one
point I thought that was going to be a hit,
and then I had some intel late that it probably
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was not going to be the Steelers. Well, once that
factor that, I thought, man, he's probably going to slide
out of the first round because the Steelers are really
the only spot form to me. Then I found out
afterwards that to your point, Doug, he had very few
teams to even interviewed with, Like you just you know,
you weren't on his list, then you weren't interviewing viewing him,
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and then you know, not being able to get through,
not being willing to get through questions about install, questions
about you know, working through the install, working through the
whiteboard in terms of where to go with the ball,
where to do this? He asked, apparently asked one team, well,
what are you going to do just around me with
weapons and offensive lines, just stuff that you just you know,
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you're just there to be, you know, it's a job interview.
I mean, I understand the brash confidence and all that stuff,
but I think he was his own worst enemy. And
when in many ways. And so what happened was once
he slid out of the you know, really out of
the top forty where the quarterback needy teams for drafting,
a lot of teams who might have considered drafting him didn't.
They just didn't have the intel they needed because they
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had not been able to get the you know, they
had not been able to have the meetings, figure out
his football intelligence, figure out his you know, they just
get a feel for the person because they hadn't had
to have those opportunities to find out who he was.
So you know, once your pass the first two rounds,
you just should be on the board for about fourteen teams.
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And I don't think that was the case with sand
Or Sanders. I think a lot of teams like we
just you know, a we don't know enough about him,
and of course do you want to deal with everything
that potentially comes with it, which was that, you know,
each team had to make their own assessment if that
was overvalued or that was a real problem.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
If really joined us here and the Doug out Leaf
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's talk about some
other teams. The Green Bay Packers drafted a wide receiver
in the first round, and obviously the place erupted erupted. Okay,
but now there's a lot of pressure on Matthew Golden
and they have this super deep wide receiver room. What
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are your thoughts on the Packers draft.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Well, they have a super deep wide receiver room with
a bunch of guys that have trouble catching the football.
So I mean, how deep are you if you just
have a bunch of drops. That's kind of my concern.
And I had Matthew Golan in my last MOB draft,
you know, track to the Packers, and everyone gave me
crap about it. But the fact is, at some point,
when you give quarterbacks as much money as you're giving
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them now, you really have no choice but to make sure.
We saw it with Lamar Jackson. We've seen him with
Josh Allen at different times. You know. Now there's a
question about his buffalo doing enough for Josh Allen. Now
with Stefon Diggs gone, you've got to, you know, you
got to. You gotta load up with with some talent
for these super expensive quarterbacks. And I think that they
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what they wanted to do is Matthew Golden's basically they're saying, look,
we got too many guys who dropped the ball that
are not consistent. Their contracts will be up in a
couple of years. Let's get another guy in here that
can turn into potentially a one, even though I think
Golden's more of a two. Let's, you know, let's see
if we can find a guy that really meshes with
Jordan loves now savee On Williams, who they drafted in
the third round. You know, he is a not a
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good route runner. He is not a true wide receiver.
What he is is like a Cordero Patterson type player
who you just get the ball in his hands. He
is a dynamic, an incredible athlete, great beat, super explosive,
loose limbed, but he's not really a route runner, so
he's kind of a he's kind of a specialist. I'm
interested to see how the Packers utilize him, but I
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think it's really become what we're seeing dougas teams. Understand, man,
we're pants fifty and sixty million to these quarterbacks. We
have to get something out of him, and that's why,
you know, that's why Jacksonville moves up and targets Travis Hunter.
That's why Brian Thomas was the first rounder for Jacksonville.
That's why every team that has a young quarterback. You
look at the Bears went tight end and wide receiver
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with their first two picks. All these team with young
quarterbacks and teams with super expensive quarterbacks are saying, let's
make sure we give them the best chance possible.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
All right, cam Ward, what's his likelies of success?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I think it's pretty good. He's all about ball, loves
football always. I've always known that about him. That's been
you know, that was told to me by scout when
he was at Washington State. He's very serious about ball.
He's a guy who came up from from the mud,
as they say, with incarnate word. Zero star prospect. Hungary
doesn't take anything for granted. He's got a plus plus arm,
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can fit the ball in the tight windows. There's times
where his game reminds me of Brett Barb in terms
of the high end stuff, and then the mistakes that
he's willing to make that really hurts his team. So
there's there's the plus and the minus in terms of
what that's you know how that goes. But when you
start talking about his ability to extend plays and make
big time throws into tight windows on all three levels.
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He's number one, like he is the guy, and there's
no one else in this draft to really come close
to that. His issue is going to be have to
be he has to eliminate his desire to play that
hero ball. The longer he stays off schedule, the worse
the decision making gets sometimes, So that's going to have
to be coached out of him. I'd like to see
him use his legs more. He tries to, you know,
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stay in the pocket and keep passes alive too much.
At some point pull it down and go, you know,
just pull it down and go and get to the
next play. But he's got talent. He can throw our pos's.
He can he can throw with some accuracy when his
feet are are right. And I like the fact that
he's really you got to put some woe on him,
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not to go on him. In other words, he's going
to attack down the field. You can dial that back
a little bit. Guys who are super conservative, that's a
mindset that you can't change, you know, And I think
you'd agree, Doug. You've been around sports long enough to
know there's some guys that, you know, man, he's going
to cut it loose and there's I always say it's
like this, you got two people at a blackjack table,
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one who's shuffling chips back into their pocket because they
want to minimize the risk over a little profit. And
then you got the guys that can, you know, turn
it into a twenty or thirty thousand dollars run because
they get hot and they're pressing and they're taking chances.
Cam Ward is a guy who's going to take his chances.
And there's some negative that comes with it, but you
know what, you can also win at a high level
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when you have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like that Lancer Lane, John A. Gust Here Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. You were most impressed with which team's draft?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I think the Bears did a good job. Loveland, Luther Burden.
I mean those guys. Loveland I thought was right there
with Tyler Warren, I had no problem with him being
the first tight end. Luther Burden was high value at
thirty nine. I thought, other than Travis Hunter, Burden is
actually the best wide receiver in the draft. Schamar Turner
and Ozzie For of those guys they got in the
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second round, I thought their second round picks were really
really good. And they got a kid in the fist,
Zaf Frasier, who is a lot like Tarik wooland coming
out of UTSA a couple of years ago. He has
he's been in college football for six years, but he
just has one year where he really put it all together,
coming from you know, smaller schools. He's tall, he's fast,
and he has tremendous ball skills. I thought that I
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thought that the Tampa Bay Bucks did a great job.
The Mecca Oak at BUCA, Benjamin Morris in the cornerback
out of Notre Dame, Jacob Parrish another corner out of
Kansas State who I think is highly underrated as a
third round pick, and they got a couple of rushers
and David Walker and Elijah Roberts. I thought they did
a really nice job with only having six picks. I
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thought they came away with a really good draft. And then,
you know, honestly, I think I think you have to
look at what the forty nine ers. I think the
forty nine ers did a pretty good job as well
as the New England Patriots. Patriots came away with a
very good defensive tackle who dropped little litle bit for
medicals Josh Farmer, Kyle Williams and Treyvon Henderson. Are you
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kidding me? You get Kyle Williams at sixty nine and
tray Yon Henderson at thirty eight, and then of course
you know you attacked your offensive line Will Campbell. I
don't love the fact that they had to reach a
little bit of four for Will Campbell. But when you're desperate,
you know, when you're desperate and you don't have a
position locked up or at least solidified where you don't
have to reach, and that's what happens. You have to
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draft a certain position. It was not a great year
to need tackle, so they really had no choice but
to take a tackle there. You couldn't wait until second round.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Lance awesome stuff man, great balance to analysis before the draft,
during the draft, after the draft. Really appreciate Joyce on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah, you got to appreciate it. Doug.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
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hate coming to the top of the hour. Well, we
love for the weekend. We hated for the weekend. Plus
Rick Pucher next hour as well. Before we get to that,
let's get to game time, damnpire.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Hey there, Dann, what do you got b Hey Doug?
The game on this Monday is.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That an MRI
confirmed Bucks guard Damian Lillard ruptured his left achilles tendon.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
A huge deal, huge It affects everything, everything for the Bucks,
including do they you know, did they scrap it and
start over this offseason? And I mean, is that the
last of Damian Lillard is a high level player in
the NBA?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Thirty four misses most of, if not all, of next
year at thirty five, at thirty six years old. Yeah,
I don't know what that looks like. It's a yeah,
they lost everything with that. That's that's crazy.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
That injury, all right, Doug, big deal, little deal or
no deal will stick with the NBA. That no foul
was called on the shot by the Pistons Tim Hardaway
Junior and yesterday's Game four win by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think it was a big deal. You know, it
was the game potential game winning shot and as much
we can say, hey let him play. I mean, Josh
Hart fouled him. I don't know anyone who didn't think
that was a foul. So yeah, that's a big deal.
A foul on a game attempted game winning shot that
doesn't come close because he gets fouled.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Yeah, that's it and makes it makes a series now
three to one instead.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Of two to two, I mean, come a really different story.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yes, absolutely, all.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Right, Doug, big deal, little deal or no deal that
there's only one two to two series right now in
the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
It's a big deal because the games themselves have been
many of them been very very close. The series are
not as close in terms of that, but does lead
us to think maybe there's one comeback in those series.
But by and large that's a that's a yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Nick Pistons has been very entertaining, variety of different games,
some more offensive than others. Every game has brought something.
I would say that Lakers Timberwolves kind of the same sense.
I know Game two wasn't great for Minnesota, but otherwise
they've been good. Rockets Warriors has been good. Yeah, I
agree with you. Outside of the one to eight matchups,
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and the Bucks Pacers series hasn't been good because of
what happened last night. But I would say by and
large of the series that we kind of counted on
and wanted something from, they've been They've been pretty good,
all right. A couple of football notes. Big deal, little dealer,
no deal that the Washington Commanders are heading back to RFK.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, I think that's a big deal. I think
that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's one of those things to where this was in
the conversation of the most hated franchises because of ownership
in the league, and now because now because ownership has
changed the whole Now it's like the city is like,
let's welcome back. In order to get those deals done,
you need to have kind of civic approval. You know,
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they pay some of the freight, but it just needs
to get through. And it shows the dramatic change in
how the world views the Commanders.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Here's the other thing about it.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I can go two ways about this, but it really
is a reflection on our ages. And it's not just
if you're in the same age group as ours. As
long as you remember when Washington played at RFK, it's
the weird We remember them playing there, then they left
for thirty years, and then they're going to be back.
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You know, when the Rangers got like a new stadium,
we remembered when the ballpark at Arlington was being built.
The turnaround of these stadiums, in our minds is so quick,
because there were places that were cathedrals for seventy and
eighty years and now there's a quick turnaround. So that
messes with me. But then I also feel sorry for
the command that had a that had fandom over these
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last thirty years to have it be in a place
like FedEx Field or whatever they're calling it now, like
that it's too bad that there are a lot of
people's prime fandom had to be at a facility that
was just not up the par.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, I that's yeah, I understand. I guess I
like it because it it moves it closer to the city,
whereas we've so many move them further and further out.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
You know, I think like, like, if you're a Dodger fan,
you're spoiled with Dodger Stadium, like that's always your home.
Though you've talked so highly about Feiser Forum, I've never
been there, but as a Wisconsin you know, a native,
and being a Bucks fan, I've yet to be at
a game there. And the Bradley Center was near and
dear to my heart, but at the end, it just
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wasn't wasn't NBA facility, you know eyes, but like that
was like my arena. So I'm like, I'm most jealous
of the next generation that has those sort of facilities
when they're not like a Wrigley or a Fenway or
a Dodger stadium.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
So moving on, big deal, little deal or no deal.
That Pukin Nakua's brother Samson slapped an opposing fan at
a UFL game this weekend.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Fuck that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
That feels like a big deal. Although you know, we
had never we will never pay attention to UFL otherwise,
so maybe it's a good thing, but it does feel
like a big deal. One of the things you're not
supposed to do slapping fans as well.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
And if you look at the video, there was a
teammate of his. He plays for the Michigan Panthers. They
were in Saint Louis playing the BattleHawks, and Saint Louis
has embraced their UFL team, which tells you, Hey, at
least we've got some fans that are passionate enough to
get into a verbal sparring with the opposing team. But
then there was another player on Michigan squad that like
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mocked the guy after he was slapped. I'm not saying
that he's just as guilty, but apparently he I proved
of the fan getting slapped in the face.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I thought it was just interesting video, all right.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Anyway, final one big deal, little deal or no deal
that Johannio Suarez hit four home runs in a game
against the Braves on Saturday for the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
That's a big deal. Four home runs A big deal.
That's like it was that the golden home run? What
is that called when you do that? Golden sombrero is
when you strike out four times? What's it called when
you hit four home runs?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
I don't know if there's a name to it. It's
only happened nineteen times in baseball history. The most recent
was actually JD. Martinez when he played for the Diamondbacks.
Did it in twenty seventeen? Good old Scooter Jeanette, former
brewer but playing for the Reds.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Yeah, did it? That season as well.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
But just a quick google AI a response to your question, Doug,
it's called a four homer game.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Wow, that's original. Uh, that's game time.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Game.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show, This
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Do you
guys see what JJ Reddick did where he played his
starters the entire second half like no subs. Yeah, player's
dream if you're one of those guys, except the Lebron
and Luca didn't exactly respond with their play nearly as much.
(36:25):
We'll get to that next hour. Rebuker's gonna join us.
Wall Saz came about the future of the Bucks. Maybe
we don't want to hear the answer there. They will
have fier forum. I don't know what the rest of
that roster will look like. But come up next, we're
going to recap the weekend. We do this every Monday.
We call it love and Hate, And as you guys know,
(36:45):
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the weekend, What we hate from the weekend. It was
long when it was a good one. You got our answers.
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Excuse me, coming to you from from beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin.
What a great day we have for you, awesome show,
tremendous sports weekend. We'll do most of the NFL Draft
this hour, little NBA at the back end of the hour,
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all the all the regular participants are here, so welcome in.
I'm just I'm really happy you guys could all make it.
We had a great week last week, I mean Draft
week in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I felt like it was
something super super special, super special, and we just posted
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out this video of the event. We had that Frank Calliando,
Dan Patrick, and so many others. My guy Tom Telesco
came by for it was good to see so many
and you know, when you're in Green Bay generally people
do show up for Packers games, but otherwise you have
to go visit others as opposed to them coming to
visit you. That was different last week. If you think
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back in your life, even if you think back in
the past couple of years, I guarantee, or I don't guarantee, Yeah,
I guarantee there's something that you're like, I can't believe
I cared that much about it at the time. And
that's where I think we are with with Shador Sanders, right. Like,
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I know there were other draft picks. I'm completely aware
that there are other draft picks. I just didn't hear
about any of them last weekend. There was so much
noise about Shador so much, and it just it makes
it hard for us to even have some sort of
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sense of who did well, who did poorly? What's the
rest of the draft look? Like, I know, within your
own team, you're probably very very well versed as to
who they got. But in terms of in totality, that
draft was made a mess by Shador Sanders. On many
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draft boards, and we're talking about in mock drafts not
having to do with the NFL had him going somewhere
in the first round and he ends up falling to
the fifth round. If you compile that with the fact
that he wasn't even the first quarterback the Browns took.
They took Dylan Gabriel in the third round, you start
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to stop and think to yourself, holy cow, Like that
is just the weirdest pick ever. Even though the Browns
don't have a quarterback. The old expression is if you
have two quarterbacks, you don't have one. What if he
have five? You know, what if you have five? They
gave Joe Flacco legit money. Joe Flacco's went a Super Bowl.
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Joe Flacco has shown himself to be the consonman backup. Right,
they have the albatross contract of Deshaun Watson. They also
went out and signed Kenny Pickett right, who is a
former first round draft pick. He's been mostly a career
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backup after his time starting in Pittsburgh. So when he
signs a contract with the Cleveland Browns, granted not a
big contract two point six million dollars, but he has
a couple of years as a starter under his belt. Like,
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you start to look and go like they might keep three,
but which three are they going to keep? Because you
can't cut Deshaun Watson. Obviously he's not gonna be healthy.
He's gonna be on the ir Then you have a
bunch of others. What do you do with those? But
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I just think we're gonna look at this thing and go, Man,
we cared way, way, way too much about Shudor Sanders. Actually,
mel Kiper cared way too much about shud Door Sanders.
Here's mel Kiper Junior late in the draft.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Well, you're not. You don't have to sell it to me.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
No, what we're talking about, Right, you're right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You're right, but you know what the draft is. That's right.
That's the key mail.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's not it's not putting a value judgment of whether
those vas play right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
They did.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
So.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Now, whenever you're in circumstances in life, whether you liked them,
whether you don't like them, whether they're fair, whether they're unfair,
you might have to deal with no Shadeer Sandman has
to deal with every temper whatever reason, whether he played
a minute, microscopic percentage, zero percentage, or it's a legitimate
criticism of the way he conducted himself during the draft process.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
This was the result.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Now he has an opportunity to answer it.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
There's not.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
I mean, I think yelling at the NFL about it,
it's not not a quarterback at boomer size, and was
not happy when he was the second round they dropped.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
How'd they turn out?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Argument by that?
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Why that can happen?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Right?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
The NFL has been clueless for fifty years when it
comes to evaluating quarterback, clueless all that no idea what
they're doing.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
There's an evaluating quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That's proof.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
There's proof of that. We know exactly what we're talking
about with quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
He's right, He's right. Mel also did not have failed
to point out that he's gotten some He's got plenty
of picks wrong in terms of what somebody's evail is.
The mel kiper junior aspect of it is really interesting
because I do think he belongs in the in the
Pro Football Hall of Fame, as Dan Patrick suggested going
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back to last week. But I also think that and look,
this is a mel either continues on or almost feels
like a seminal moment where you're like, yeah, it might
be time to put that one out to pasture. And
and there's a couple of reasons why. But I was
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told this last week that you know, at his peak,
he was amazing, but he's passed his peak. And the
reason is they've had so much turnover in terms of
general managers. He used to know talk to travel to
see everybody. Mel for twenty five years has been a
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little bit of a recluse because he's had issues with traveling.
Got some very minor in terms of health issues that
I know about, but it does limit his ability to travel,
and so he's not really as connected in the league
as he used to be. And that's why he's so
off on this one. Who in the hell is mel kiper? Yeah?
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I mean, look, he was the guy and now there
are copies of a copy and there are other guys
that do film study, but that one was hard to watch.
Who's like personally bothered by it? And I think that
the tough part about Shador is he doesn't present himself
as crazy, likable. Matter of fact, it's the opposite of that.
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It's the opposite of that. This is mu Marosaia say
on his New York radio show earlier today talking about
the reason behind shador slide.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Shador Sanders just torpedoed himself. Is added two off the
field at the combine. His dad didn't help him either.
You know, he was on podcast talking about this is
my son. If I can get him to where I
want to get him to, I'm going to do that.
But you know, when you listen to this kid talk
right prior or at the combine about it, if you
want a new culture in your locker room, I'm the
guy to do that.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
I can turn it around.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
I mean, he's very high on himself, and I think
he was very off, pitting off, putting too many many
coaches and general managers in the league. And I'm telling
you right now, and I know this after talking to
three different personnel people in the NFL this weekend. They
didn't even have him on his board on their board.
They took him off, and they took them off because
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the owner said, take them off. I don't want that guy.
I don't want this entitled person on our team. And
I don't blame him.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I mean again, I think when when you read
Scouts views on him, there's a missing amount of arm
talent athletic talent as well, but that be made up
for when if you're somebody that everybody loves, and I've
heard people say, well, you didn't say this about It's
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not true. It's just not true. Stop it. Everyone knows
it not to be true. It's the most criticized and
praised position in all of sports. So please don't say
that it's because of this, that's because of that. Additionally,
there's plenty of video out there, and none of the
video presents himself as somebody who's humble, hard working, understood
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gets it. Okay, he's the embodiment of an entitled jerk
he is. Now, whether that's an actor that's who he
really is, I don't know, and I don't care. I'm
telling you though, that all of the things you're hearing
is just confirmation biased when you see it on TV,
when you watch it in games. And I don't evaluate
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quarterbacks for a living. Did I think that he would
step up and make big plays? Sure, but it was
all dink and dunk. He did have the best wide
receiver in the country. He did only play for his
dad ever in football, you know, growing up as a kid,
into high school, into college, two different colleges, always played
for his dad. So there's a daddy ball element to it.
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And his dad was obnoxious and he like the only
reason the Browns could have drafted him. Was the owner
stepped in and said draft him when he blew off
the Browns in their meeting. You guys have all heard
the stories by now, and all the stories may not
be true, but if half of them are, that's probably enough.
No one says you have to cow town. You have
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to cow to it. You have to bow your head
to people, You have to No, you could be confident,
you can be respectful. He can't be an a hole,
and he presented himself as one, and you're not town
enough to overcome the perception of him being a negative.
It's just not.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
So.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I feel like we're gonna look back and go I
can't believe so many were so invested in this. You know,
we're so invested in it. It's a little bit like
Ross and Rachel when they broke up. You know you
had to know in a TV series they were gonna
get back together. It's a little bit like the start
of a Mission Impossible movie. Tom Cruise is gonna make
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it through the movie, no matter what the stunt is,
no matter how unbelievable is, Tom Cruise is gonna make
it through the movie. Yet, in that first opening scene,
when he does some ridiculous stunt. You're stating yourself, going like,
I don't know, is he gonna make it? Yeah, it's
the first fifteen minutes of the movie. He's gonna be
there an hour forty five in, you know, unless he
dies and they do a flashback, which doesn't feel like
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an MI. I feel we're gonna look back five ten
years from now and you're gonna find some diamond in
the rough who went in the twenty twenty five draft,
and you're gonna think to yourself, how have I how'd
that guy? How did I not know this was happening?
And the answer is really simple, Shadhor Sanders. We cared
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way too much about a guy who is just taking
too much of our too much of our time.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
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the lands Airlines going to join s CCNFL draft analyst
for NFL Media get his thoughts on the draft. Kim
Ward and Yes, short Byer you were you were in
La your home State of Wisconsin put on a great show.
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Give me your thoughts on the Shador thing on how
it it really took over took over the draft.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
Yeah, I actually think that there are some parallels to
what happened in the NBA draft last summer.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Not a great draft class at all. I mean it
was zachar Reza that.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
Went number one overall in the draft, and we really
didn't pay much mind to a lot of the players
in the NBA Draft, but we did pay attention to
Bronnie James, and I felt like that was this situation.
There weren't a lot of guys headline makers in this draft.
It was a bad draft class, something that we've talked
about for weeks on this show. So then when you
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have a player who was really one of the players
that you would to talk about, one of the very
select few, then have the fall that he did, I
think it naturally then just overtook the entire weekend.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, it was, I mean it was the whole I mean,
it really did overtake the whole weekend. It was like
because it didn't happen the first day, it didn't happen
the second day, and then you're like wow, Yeah, I mean,
and then you know, Sunday was left to kind of
clean up Aisle six and what was the biggest storyline?
Speaker 8 (13:54):
It had to be that one, you know, and you're
hearing you off the top, and we were even talking
in the breaks. I think all of us have a
different opinions whatever on the Kuiper situation. I actually think
it was a huge win for ESPN. Whether Kuiper was
right or wrong, and he was obviously wrong on the
evaluation of Shoud or Sanders, but he wasn't the only one.
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But isn't that part of what mel Kuiper is. I mean,
we had a was it, I feel a draft or
I got dibbs where we were talking draft moments and
we're still playing the mel Kuiper cut from thirty years ago.
So I think that obviously, obviously, like those misjudgments haven't
hurt his career at all. And so I actually think
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that outside of shud Or Sanders, mel Kuiper was the
second most talked about person at this NFL draft, And
if I'm ESPN, I actually am happy about it because
now next year people are going to say, well, what's
Mel gonna say this year? Or who does Mel have
is he gonna hit or miss? And I think it could,
you know, becomes more of a conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, it's It's a really good way of looking at it.
I think that the point the difference is when you
take a guy, it's like almost better for him. If
a guy goes earlier than he should. Then if he
calls out the whole league and basically calls the league idiots. Sure,
you know, I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Like, Okay, I always think he's fighting for respect too,
even after all these years, because he's not been on
He's not on the other side of the velvet rope.
Wasn't a scout like Daniel Jeremiah, not in the front office.
He's kind of been the I don't want to say
the outsider because it doesn't feel right. But he's not
an NFL personnel guy, and I feel that he's Maybe
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there's like a bit of an insecurity in that, and
that came out even after all of these years of
doing it.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But I don't know if that's it. I really don't
know if that's it. You know, there's a bunch of
different thoughts on what it could be. Look, I've worked
enough with Bell to know he's a as a person,
a gem.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
Of a guy.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Sure, everybody really likes him. I don't think it's that insecurity.
I think it's one of two things. He just couldn't
believe it, or he's like I, you know. One of
the things Mel does is Mel is not an old
school personnel guy, right, he doesn't. He doesn't like have
out his notebook and go to college games and grade
stuff out. He talks to people and he kind of
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gets consistency views from people that he trusts, and I
almost feel like this is him. Last Yanna, I can't
believe all these guys I trust told me something that's
not true. It's Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's let's catch up with Lancer Line, NFL draft analysts
for the NFL media. For NFL Media, the one name
that that kind of overtook all the NFL Draft was
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not the number one player taken in cam Ward. Instead,
it was Shador. What was your eval of Shador throughout
throughout the last couple of years at SeeU, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I had, you know, I didn't focus as much on
his twenty three tape. Usually I watched two years on quarterbacks.
I watched his touchdowns and his interceptions, and that was
about it. I watched one game from there, but I
thought he was a lot better in twenty four, so
I focused most of my evaluation.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You know.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Conversely, I focused most of my email on quinn Ewers
on twenty three because I know he was hurt from
much twenty four. In terms of Shador, you know, it
was a pretty it was a pretty easy email to me.
I thought I put a bottom of the second round
grade on him. I thought he was the second best
quarterback in this draft, behind cam Ord, who had a
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high second round grade to late first round grade. Now,
from a projection standpoint, obviously, you know those guys typically
get pushed up a little bit if you're first and
second in the class. But you know, from an evaluation standpoint,
very average arm strength, very average off platform, adequate in
terms of timing, extremely accurate throwers, a good accuracy, terrific
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poise in the pocket, he's got good pocket maneuverability, so
he can slide around the pocket. He's not the fastest
guy outside of the pocket, but in the pocket he's
pretty elusive. It takes way too many sacks, holds onto
it and plays hero ball way too often has the
ability to work all three levels, but needs to work
with timing. He's a player who's very tough when he's
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in there, and he's extremely confident and you know, brash
airing and whatever you want to say. I like the
confidence in the pocket. He doesn't get easily rattled. You
get a sense that he's not trying to convince himself
that he's a tough quarterback. It's just it comes naturally
for him. So a lot of what I liked about
Shaul dor Sanders had to do with intangibles, which I
don't minimize. I think a lot of times when we
look at why a quarterbacks succeeded that we didn't expect,
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it comes down to intangibles. I think you have to
factor that in, but make a mistake. He's a game
manager who tries to play like a playmaker a little
bit too often. So the concern for me was going
to be could he not try to be prime son?
You know, his own brand and quote unquote, you know legendary.
Can he can he get guy that drives the ship?
And I had some concern and I still do have
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concerns about whether or not he can be okay, just
being a game manager, and.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Then you factor in the other parts, right, then you
factor in how he handled himself with teams. I mean,
it's the there were only you know, I don't know
six seven teams that felt like they need a starting
caliber quarterback. And if you don't grade out as one
on some people's or you're on the board line, and
then you blow off a couple of those six or seven,
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you're you're almost asking for this sort of result, aren't you.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Yeah, Now, when it comes to me putting a grade
on a guy, I don't you know, it's all take
the off the field stuff and the you know that
comes later in terms of my assessment when I'm doing
TV things like that. Whenever I hear stories and I
have to be honest with you, I found out a
lot more. I expected him to fall out of day one.
I'd heard the Giants like like Jackson Dart, so I
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expected the Giants and the Saints to be the two
teams that try to trade up into the first round
kind of battle each other. For Jackson Dart. That was
my expectation. I thought Schador could go in there somewhere,
if maybe the Browns traded up for him, but really,
you know, I've had him at twenty nine, twenty four
to twenty one. Oh, I thought that Steelers at one
point I thought that was going to be a hit,
and then I had some intel late that it probably
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was not going to be the Steelers. Well, once that
factor that, I thought, man, he's probably going to slide
out of the first round because the Steelers are really
the only spot form to me. Then I found out
afterwards that to your point, Doug, he had very few
teams to even interviewed with, Like you just you know,
you weren't on his list, then you weren't interviewing viewing him,
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and then you know, not being able to get through,
not being willing to get through questions about install, questions
about you know, working through the install, working through the
whiteboard in terms of where to go with the ball,
where to do this? He asked, apparently asked one team, well,
what are you going to do just around me with
weapons and offensive lines, just stuff that you just you know,
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you're just there to be, you know, it's a job interview.
I mean, I understand the brash confidence and all that stuff,
but I think he was his own worst enemy. And
when in many ways. And so what happened was once
he slid out of the you know, really out of
the top forty where the quarterback needy teams for drafting,
a lot of teams who might have considered drafting him didn't.
They just didn't have the intel they needed because they
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had not been able to get the you know, they
had not been able to have the meetings, figure out
his football intelligence, figure out his you know, they just
get a feel for the person because they hadn't had
to have those opportunities to find out who he was.
So you know, once your pass the first two rounds,
you just should be on the board for about fourteen teams.
(21:40):
And I don't think that was the case with sand
Or Sanders. I think a lot of teams like we
just you know, a we don't know enough about him,
and of course do you want to deal with everything
that potentially comes with it, which was that, you know,
each team had to make their own assessment if that
was overvalued or that was a real problem.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
If really joined us here and the Doug out Leaf
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's talk about some
other teams. The Green Bay Packers drafted a wide receiver
in the first round, and obviously the place erupted erupted. Okay,
but now there's a lot of pressure on Matthew Golden
and they have this super deep wide receiver room. What
(22:21):
are your thoughts on the Packers draft.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Well, they have a super deep wide receiver room with
a bunch of guys that have trouble catching the football.
So I mean, how deep are you if you just
have a bunch of drops. That's kind of my concern.
And I had Matthew Golan in my last MOB draft,
you know, track to the Packers, and everyone gave me
crap about it. But the fact is, at some point,
when you give quarterbacks as much money as you're giving
(22:44):
them now, you really have no choice but to make sure.
We saw it with Lamar Jackson. We've seen him with
Josh Allen at different times. You know. Now there's a
question about his buffalo doing enough for Josh Allen. Now
with Stefon Diggs gone, you've got to, you know, you
got to. You gotta load up with with some talent
for these super expensive quarterbacks. And I think that they
(23:05):
what they wanted to do is Matthew Golden's basically they're saying, look,
we got too many guys who dropped the ball that
are not consistent. Their contracts will be up in a
couple of years. Let's get another guy in here that
can turn into potentially a one, even though I think
Golden's more of a two. Let's, you know, let's see
if we can find a guy that really meshes with
Jordan loves now savee On Williams, who they drafted in
the third round. You know, he is a not a
(23:27):
good route runner. He is not a true wide receiver.
What he is is like a Cordero Patterson type player
who you just get the ball in his hands. He
is a dynamic, an incredible athlete, great beat, super explosive,
loose limbed, but he's not really a route runner, so
he's kind of a he's kind of a specialist. I'm
interested to see how the Packers utilize him, but I
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think it's really become what we're seeing dougas teams. Understand, man,
we're pants fifty and sixty million to these quarterbacks. We
have to get something out of him, and that's why,
you know, that's why Jacksonville moves up and targets Travis Hunter.
That's why Brian Thomas was the first rounder for Jacksonville.
That's why every team that has a young quarterback. You
look at the Bears went tight end and wide receiver
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with their first two picks. All these team with young
quarterbacks and teams with super expensive quarterbacks are saying, let's
make sure we give them the best chance possible.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
All right, cam Ward, what's his likelies of success?
Speaker 5 (24:24):
I think it's pretty good. He's all about ball, loves
football always. I've always known that about him. That's been
you know, that was told to me by scout when
he was at Washington State. He's very serious about ball.
He's a guy who came up from from the mud,
as they say, with incarnate word. Zero star prospect. Hungary
doesn't take anything for granted. He's got a plus plus arm,
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can fit the ball in the tight windows. There's times
where his game reminds me of Brett Barb in terms
of the high end stuff, and then the mistakes that
he's willing to make that really hurts his team. So
there's there's the plus and the minus in terms of
what that's you know how that goes. But when you
start talking about his ability to extend plays and make
big time throws into tight windows on all three levels.
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He's number one, like he is the guy, and there's
no one else in this draft to really come close
to that. His issue is going to be have to
be he has to eliminate his desire to play that
hero ball. The longer he stays off schedule, the worse
the decision making gets sometimes, So that's going to have
to be coached out of him. I'd like to see
him use his legs more. He tries to, you know,
(25:30):
stay in the pocket and keep passes alive too much.
At some point pull it down and go, you know,
just pull it down and go and get to the
next play. But he's got talent. He can throw our pos's.
He can he can throw with some accuracy when his
feet are are right. And I like the fact that
he's really you got to put some woe on him,
(25:50):
not to go on him. In other words, he's going
to attack down the field. You can dial that back
a little bit. Guys who are super conservative, that's a
mindset that you can't change, you know, And I think
you'd agree, Doug. You've been around sports long enough to
know there's some guys that, you know, man, he's going
to cut it loose and there's I always say it's
like this, you got two people at a blackjack table,
(26:11):
one who's shuffling chips back into their pocket because they
want to minimize the risk over a little profit. And
then you got the guys that can, you know, turn
it into a twenty or thirty thousand dollars run because
they get hot and they're pressing and they're taking chances.
Cam Ward is a guy who's going to take his chances.
And there's some negative that comes with it, but you
know what, you can also win at a high level
(26:31):
when you have a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Like that Lancer Lane, John A. Gust Here Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. You were most impressed with which team's draft?
Speaker 5 (26:40):
I think the Bears did a good job. Loveland, Luther Burden.
I mean those guys. Loveland I thought was right there
with Tyler Warren, I had no problem with him being
the first tight end. Luther Burden was high value at
thirty nine. I thought, other than Travis Hunter, Burden is
actually the best wide receiver in the draft. Schamar Turner
and Ozzie For of those guys they got in the
(27:00):
second round, I thought their second round picks were really
really good. And they got a kid in the fist,
Zaf Frasier, who is a lot like Tarik wooland coming
out of UTSA a couple of years ago. He has
he's been in college football for six years, but he
just has one year where he really put it all together,
coming from you know, smaller schools. He's tall, he's fast,
and he has tremendous ball skills. I thought that I
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thought that the Tampa Bay Bucks did a great job.
The Mecca Oak at BUCA, Benjamin Morris in the cornerback
out of Notre Dame, Jacob Parrish another corner out of
Kansas State who I think is highly underrated as a
third round pick, and they got a couple of rushers
and David Walker and Elijah Roberts. I thought they did
a really nice job with only having six picks. I
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thought they came away with a really good draft. And then,
you know, honestly, I think I think you have to
look at what the forty nine ers. I think the
forty nine ers did a pretty good job as well
as the New England Patriots. Patriots came away with a
very good defensive tackle who dropped little litle bit for
medicals Josh Farmer, Kyle Williams and Treyvon Henderson. Are you
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kidding me? You get Kyle Williams at sixty nine and
tray Yon Henderson at thirty eight, and then of course
you know you attacked your offensive line Will Campbell. I
don't love the fact that they had to reach a
little bit of four for Will Campbell. But when you're desperate,
you know, when you're desperate and you don't have a
position locked up or at least solidified where you don't
have to reach, and that's what happens. You have to
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draft a certain position. It was not a great year
to need tackle, so they really had no choice but
to take a tackle there. You couldn't wait until second round.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Lance awesome stuff man, great balance to analysis before the draft,
during the draft, after the draft. Really appreciate Joyce on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah, you got to appreciate it. Doug.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Stug Gottlab Show, Fox Sports Radio. We got love and
hate coming to the top of the hour. Well, we
love for the weekend. We hated for the weekend. Plus
Rick Pucher next hour as well. Before we get to that,
let's get to game time, damnpire.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Hey there, Dann, what do you got b Hey Doug?
The game on this Monday is.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 8 (29:17):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That an MRI
confirmed Bucks guard Damian Lillard ruptured his left achilles tendon.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
A huge deal, huge It affects everything, everything for the Bucks,
including do they you know, did they scrap it and
start over this offseason? And I mean, is that the
last of Damian Lillard is a high level player in
the NBA?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Thirty four misses most of, if not all, of next
year at thirty five, at thirty six years old. Yeah,
I don't know what that looks like. It's a yeah,
they lost everything with that. That's that's crazy.
Speaker 8 (29:54):
That injury, all right, Doug, big deal, little deal or
no deal will stick with the NBA. That no foul
was called on the shot by the Pistons Tim Hardaway
Junior and yesterday's Game four win by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I think it was a big deal. You know, it
was the game potential game winning shot and as much
we can say, hey let him play. I mean, Josh
Hart fouled him. I don't know anyone who didn't think
that was a foul. So yeah, that's a big deal.
A foul on a game attempted game winning shot that
doesn't come close because he gets fouled.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Yeah, that's it and makes it makes a series now
three to one instead.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Of two to two, I mean, come a really different story.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yes, absolutely, all.
Speaker 8 (30:35):
Right, Doug, big deal, little deal or no deal that
there's only one two to two series right now in
the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
It's a big deal because the games themselves have been
many of them been very very close. The series are
not as close in terms of that, but does lead
us to think maybe there's one comeback in those series.
But by and large that's a that's a yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
Nick Pistons has been very entertaining, variety of different games,
some more offensive than others. Every game has brought something.
I would say that Lakers Timberwolves kind of the same sense.
I know Game two wasn't great for Minnesota, but otherwise
they've been good. Rockets Warriors has been good. Yeah, I
agree with you. Outside of the one to eight matchups,
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and the Bucks Pacers series hasn't been good because of
what happened last night. But I would say by and
large of the series that we kind of counted on
and wanted something from, they've been They've been pretty good,
all right. A couple of football notes. Big deal, little dealer,
no deal that the Washington Commanders are heading back to RFK.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, I think that's a big deal. I think
that's a big deal.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's one of those things to where this was in
the conversation of the most hated franchises because of ownership
in the league, and now because now because ownership has
changed the whole Now it's like the city is like,
let's welcome back. In order to get those deals done,
you need to have kind of civic approval. You know,
(32:04):
they pay some of the freight, but it just needs
to get through. And it shows the dramatic change in
how the world views the Commanders.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
Here's the other thing about it.
Speaker 8 (32:16):
I can go two ways about this, but it really
is a reflection on our ages. And it's not just
if you're in the same age group as ours. As
long as you remember when Washington played at RFK, it's
the weird We remember them playing there, then they left
for thirty years, and then they're going to be back.
(32:39):
You know, when the Rangers got like a new stadium,
we remembered when the ballpark at Arlington was being built.
The turnaround of these stadiums, in our minds is so quick,
because there were places that were cathedrals for seventy and
eighty years and now there's a quick turnaround. So that
messes with me. But then I also feel sorry for
the command that had a that had fandom over these
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last thirty years to have it be in a place
like FedEx Field or whatever they're calling it now, like
that it's too bad that there are a lot of
people's prime fandom had to be at a facility that
was just not up the par.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, yeah, I that's yeah, I understand. I guess I
like it because it it moves it closer to the city,
whereas we've so many move them further and further out.
Speaker 8 (33:32):
You know, I think like, like, if you're a Dodger fan,
you're spoiled with Dodger Stadium, like that's always your home.
Though you've talked so highly about Feiser Forum, I've never
been there, but as a Wisconsin you know, a native,
and being a Bucks fan, I've yet to be at
a game there. And the Bradley Center was near and
dear to my heart, but at the end, it just
(33:52):
wasn't wasn't NBA facility, you know eyes, but like that
was like my arena. So I'm like, I'm most jealous
of the next generation that has those sort of facilities
when they're not like a Wrigley or a Fenway or
a Dodger stadium.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Yep.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
So moving on, big deal, little deal or no deal.
That Pukin Nakua's brother Samson slapped an opposing fan at
a UFL game this weekend.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Fuck that.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
That feels like a big deal. Although you know, we
had never we will never pay attention to UFL otherwise,
so maybe it's a good thing, but it does feel
like a big deal. One of the things you're not
supposed to do slapping fans as well.
Speaker 8 (34:33):
And if you look at the video, there was a
teammate of his. He plays for the Michigan Panthers. They
were in Saint Louis playing the BattleHawks, and Saint Louis
has embraced their UFL team, which tells you, Hey, at
least we've got some fans that are passionate enough to
get into a verbal sparring with the opposing team. But
then there was another player on Michigan squad that like
(34:54):
mocked the guy after he was slapped. I'm not saying
that he's just as guilty, but apparently he I proved
of the fan getting slapped in the face.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
I thought it was just interesting video, all right.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
Anyway, final one big deal, little deal or no deal
that Johannio Suarez hit four home runs in a game
against the Braves on Saturday for the Arizona Diamondbacks.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
That's a big deal. Four home runs A big deal.
That's like it was that the golden home run? What
is that called when you do that? Golden sombrero is
when you strike out four times? What's it called when
you hit four home runs?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
I don't know if there's a name to it. It's
only happened nineteen times in baseball history. The most recent
was actually JD. Martinez when he played for the Diamondbacks.
Did it in twenty seventeen? Good old Scooter Jeanette, former
brewer but playing for the Reds.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Yeah, did it? That season as well.
Speaker 8 (35:46):
But just a quick google AI a response to your question, Doug,
it's called a four homer game.
Speaker 6 (35:53):
Wow, that's original. Uh, that's game time.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Game.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show, This
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Do you
guys see what JJ Reddick did where he played his
starters the entire second half like no subs. Yeah, player's
dream if you're one of those guys, except the Lebron
and Luca didn't exactly respond with their play nearly as much.
(36:25):
We'll get to that next hour. Rebuker's gonna join us.
Wall Saz came about the future of the Bucks. Maybe
we don't want to hear the answer there. They will
have fier forum. I don't know what the rest of
that roster will look like. But come up next, we're
going to recap the weekend. We do this every Monday.
We call it love and Hate, And as you guys know,
(36:45):
Jay Swo is our resident hater. What we love from
the weekend, What we hate from the weekend. It was
long when it was a good one. You got our answers.
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