November 27, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan Beyer and Aaron Torres are in for Doug on this special Thanksgiving edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show! They open the show discussing the Packers vs. Lions matchup as it heads into the second half... They react in real time throughout the show to all of the action. NFL insider Adam Caplan stops by to weigh in with his own thoughts and share some of what he's been hearing from around the league. Plus, more fun with a game of "I Feel a Draft"!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Oh, it's not just an aeron Torres and Dan By
our show. It is far from that aeron Torres. First
things first, I have to say happy birthday to my wife.
So it's my wife's birthday today. But for what I
don't know, fifth sixth thirty second possible time eron Torres.
(00:50):
We are getting together on a Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I'm great happy first of all, I mean most importantly,
happy birthday to your wife.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Happy thays Giving.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
It's been a few and I think it's not just Thanksgiving,
if I if I read the Facebook invite correctly, it's
not just Thanksgiving, right.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You are correct eron Torres.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You know the music, ladies and gentlemen we present to you. Oh,
it's our friends giving, our friends giving.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Drop is here?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Do we have our friends Giving drop, Hello, Friendsgiving drop.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's the buyer there.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
It is all right, welcome in.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
When you hear this music, When you hear that doorbell,
you know someone is here. Ryan Smith is here. That's
at the door. He's at the door, Ryan smell. Whoa
happy friends giving to you? Oh man, what a day?
Speaker 7 (01:54):
What a day?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Brings a tear to my eye. His hands are full.
That is that a great being cast role at that?
Ryde's Wait, somebody's knocking. Oh my goodness, Aaron, do you
know who that is? That's Manzy Belango Moty.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Welcome to the friends giving. Thank you so happy to
be hanging out.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Manzi a box of wine?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You should well, it's time to celebrate. It's time to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, it is great to have you here, it truly is.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I hope you and Ryan can can find a seat
and we will be welcoming many more.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Wait, is that is that? Do I see parking his car? Wait? No,
he's at the door. It's our executive producer, Ian Roddy.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Happy Thanksgiving, Ian, Happy Thanksgiving, guys Man, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What a crew that we've got here today. Aaron, It's
good to be amongst friends.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
It is it's uh yeah, We've been doing this for
a while now, and but there's nothing only thing better
than a Thanksgiving is a friends giving.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
And excited to be here with you.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
I know that people are having friends givings today and
if you are unable to take part in a friends
giving or a thanksgiving of any sort, join us for
the next four hours here on Fox Sports Radio. We
will be your friends, we will be your family having fun.
Various guests will be joining us throughout the program. We're
talking a lot of football. And as we were talking
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and welcoming all of our guests on the old TV
in the corner, Christian Watson has just caught a touchdown
pass with the green Bay Packers from Jordan love Goes
for fifty one yards. Green Bay's extended their lead to
nine with an extra point coming. Detroit playing without Aman
Russ Saint Brown in this contest after he got injured
(03:38):
early on. Green Bay about to make it a ten
point lead if Brandon McManus can make this extra point,
and he does so with ten thirty one left to
go in the third quarter eron Torres, the Packers lead
the Lions twenty four to fourteen. I liked the Packers
in this game. Packers beat the Lions earlier this season.
(03:58):
I just wonder at one point for Detroit, when you've
had certain injuries build up, you have now Frank Rereig
now coming out of retirement to try to play center
for your team's not playing today. But at some point
Will just mentioned the aman Ras Saint Brown injury. I'm
not saying that injuries are the excuse. I just don't
know how much Detroit has And Green Bay is a
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team tough defense, likes to run the football, and if
Jordan Love can do that to Christian Watson, they're gonna
be a tough team to beat.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I fell it was a tough task for the Lions today.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
So you know, this is the only downside of a
friend's giving is you know that you never know what
the TV setup is when you're gonna show up at
the house. And so I'm officially out about a thirty
to forty second delay to where you are in the
other corner room. It's crazy because I actually thought you
were going to reference the fourth down stop that you
said as we were welcoming in everybody. I thought you
(04:54):
were going to reference the fact that there was a
fourth down stop that set up the Packers at midfield
and Christian wak Christian Watkins, Christian Watson was already in
the end zone where you are. So, yeah, you know,
Lions banged up. I also this weird play calling situation
with them. I've been a little bit underwhelmed. I know
they have fourteen points on the board, but Jamison Williams
(05:15):
kind ripped off a big play one hundred and fifty
seven total yards.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Listen. I know there's injuries.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I know there's no you know, Ben Johnson is obviously
elite at what he does. This offense right now looks
a little stuck in the mud to me, and the
Packers have obviously kind of opened up that lead.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah they haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
They haven't found their their rhythm. And you really can't
say that they found their rhythm last week because the
giants on offense were doing things to the defense.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, so the defense if they can't.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Hold their end, I don't know on how many shootouts
the offense can win. And again, it's not just attrition,
like you're right about that. And this gets into we're
gonna have Adam Kaplan in about twenty minutes. Hopefully he
comes because he has the pumpkin pie, but when he
joins us, the thing that he has is a circle
of trust. Teams in the circle of trust, and there
(06:06):
really hasn't been a point with the Lions this year
that I think you can put them in that circle.
Green Bay, I feel, has been in, they've been out.
They've been in and they've been out, and maybe now's
the opportunity to put them back in. I understand that
green Bay fans can get frustrated with Matt Lafleur. We
have that image of him on the sidelines, I believe
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it during the Carolina game where he's just looking at
the tablet on the sideline trying to figure out to play.
Maybe it was the primetime game, the point being it's
against the egos, that's who it was. I don't think
that Packer fans are happy with Matt Lafleur because how
much they run the ball and want to rely on
defense and don't open it up. However, I think if
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you get in a game situation, a one game scenario,
a winner go home scenario, it's difficult to play that
sort of style. I think it's difficult like that would
you play in college basketball or the NBA, and I
think in the NFL, when you go up against teams
that have a style that maybe not everybody else plays
and you can be more physical than them, and it's
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not about playing an eighteen game schedule. I think Green
Bay is a very very difficult out because of the
style that they play in this from a team that
people thought could have been a Super Bowl contender, We're
gonna win the super Bowl after two weeks out of
the season, I think Green Bay is just a really,
really tough out, no matter if they're the first seed
of the seventh seed.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Gum playoff time.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean, listen, a lot of the hallmarks of
what you want out of a championship caliber team, and
I think, you know, to be honest with them, I
think we got we all got.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
So excited after two weeks.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know, they have the dominant win ironically against the
Lions in Week one, and then that quick turnaround to
Thursday Night football with the Washington Commanders before we knew
what the Commanders were. Admitted leagu Jaden Daniels did play
in that game. But I just bring it up because
you know, they get off to that really hot to
and oh start to essentially nationally televised games, and then
you know, there was a Cowboys game and there was
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the Browns loss and whatever.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
But I just bring it up because, yes.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Maybe they weren't or you know, maybe they aren't or
never were the best team in the NFL, like we
maybe thought they were after a game or two. But
it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't mean that
they're not a team that's really built, that has a
lot of the hallmarks to do some things in the playoffs.
And I think what's interesting is, you know, we get
so caught up in the Bear story, which it's a
(08:27):
great story, to be abundantly clear, get so caught up
in the Bear story.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
We get so excited about what they've done, and you know, you.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Look at the Packers as far as like I said,
a loss to the Browns, a loss to the Panthers
before we realized how good they were. Packers are half
a game back in the standings thanks to that tie,
tied in the lost column, and still play the Bears twice.
And so it's like, you know, again, like I said,
I just feel like, because we get so excited about
the Bears story, we don't realize how close the Packers
(08:58):
are to you know, min hosting a playoff game and
maybe again having a couple home home games in the
playoffs at Lambeufield.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
And they did not meet the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
However, as you mentioned, they did beat the Lions at
the beginning of the season. And I would I would
rather have a team, say, lose to the Browns or
lose to the to the Panthers. And now we look
at it and maybe the Panthers loss isn't as bad
as we you know it Originally.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
The Browns defense is insane.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I mean, like, yeah, the Browns loss isn't you know
it's it's not one you know, you can tell your
grandkids about it in a positive way, but like, it's
not it's not losing to the Jets.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Basically. It's the point that I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
To Yeah, and am I when I'm looking at the
Bears and we look at the Bears and who that
they have beaten. I'm not a big strength of schedule
guy in the NFL because it doesn't matter your wins
are you're the only way that we're judging. I think
only a few times we've looked back and said, yeah,
they really haven't beaten anyone. There's like those those Dolphins
teams a couple of you know, years ago when they
went out on a win streak, Like, who are they
really beaten? The Bears are are beating who's on their schedule.
(10:01):
But I would rather have a couple of good wins
on my plate and mix with a couple of bad
losses than to never be able to beat good teams.
Because in the playoffs, you're only going to face good teams, right,
And so when I look at Green Bay, I think
green Bay is capable of beating good teams or teams
that actually may be better than they are, and I'm
not sure the Chicago Bears are in that category.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Great call, you know, yeah, And I mean you factor
in again, trending towards a sweep of the Lions, took
care of business, you know, dominated the Vikings last week,
and then of course, listen, you know, you lose the Eagles,
but nip and tuck game that could go either way.
The only point I'm trying to make is that I
am with you as far as that's concerned, and as
far as the Bears are concerned. Kind of the opposite,
(10:45):
you know, like you were saying you never want to
discredit a team for beating bad teams, because bottom line
is that something that the Bears haven't doug very much
in their at least recent history. But certainly when I
say recent history, I mean pretty much like the last
three decades. So you don't want to discredit the shootout
against the Bengals, the comeback against the Giants, whatever wins
or wins. But to your point, you start looking at them,
(11:06):
Okay Raiders, Okay Saints, Okay Ravens, in a game in
which Lamar Jackson did not play. All of a sudden,
you start picking apart that schedule. Again, you don't want
to discredit what they've done and who they've done it
against and the wins that they've gotten. But I do
think as they step up in weight class over the
back half of the year, I think it is fair
to have questions about them. Frankly, to your point, maybe
(11:28):
questions that you don't have about other teams.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, and similar there's similar opponents that they've they've both beaten.
But if Green Bay can sweep Detroit, I think that
would say a lot. By the way, Detroit is back
in the end zone, so they've answered the touchdown pass
from Jordan Love to Christian Watson, Isaac taslat with the
touchdown reception from Jared Goff again Amanaras Saint Brown went
down in the first quarter of this game has not returned,
(11:53):
so the Lions were lying. Jared Goff actually had a
big run on this drive to allow them to get
the chain moving. David Montgomery's had more of a role
today as Jami or Gibbs has been kept in check.
So that's where we are in the first game of
this Thanksgiving Day. A triple header, A pretty good triple
header by the way, Chiefs Cowboys coming up. So curious
(12:14):
to see which Cowboys team ends up showing up. Is
the one that was down twenty one nothing to the
Eagles or the one that I had twenty four unanswered
That comes up a little bit later on today. And
then the return of Joe Burrow tonight for the Bengals
against the Ravens. So a nice triple header. Aaron that
we've got on this Front's Giving.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Now I'm excited. I mean, obviously, you know, Joe Burrow
coming back is the headline. And it's funny because you know,
just going you know, thinking about my weekend show is
obviously case themselves is coming off the nice win over Indy,
but I won't bring it up because my radio partner
on Saturdays, Jason Martin, brought up the good point going
into that game. This was obviously prior to knowing the
(12:48):
fact that they got the win, but going into that
game he kind of referenced, like, you lose this game,
the Cowboys are actually, all of a sudden, a quick
team on a short turnaround because of how quickly they
can score with that off. So to your point, you know,
the Cowboys are a little bit of a wild card
to say the least. You know, maybe not even literally,
but definitely figuratively. And so you know, the Cowboys at
(13:11):
minimum this year are a fun watch and I don't
know that you could have said that about them in
other years. So I'm excited for that one. Then obviously
just having Joe Burrow back. One curious to see what
he looks like, but two just happy to see him
on a field period.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Kansas City dominated the Colts in that game. They had
two bad turnovers, at one in the red zone. They
had one backed up in their own basically in the
shadow of their own goalposts. That allowed the Colts to
end up scoring almost immediately after that turnover, but it
was thirty three first downs to ten. Completely dominated the
time of possession, and I think that's go to I
(13:43):
say to myself, that's Kansas.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
City controlling, controlling the game.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And then I take a step back or three steps back,
and I'm like, they dominated this game and they needed
over time to beat the Colts in shutting down Jonathan Taylor,
and so to me, it's actually con I know that
they can win in different ways, but I don't know
what Kansas City does so well, aside from having Patrick
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Mahomes be their quarterback. Media Kareem Hunt had thirty carries
for one hundred and four yards in that win against
the Colts. Now, Isaiah Pacheco expected to come back today
in play, so there's a bit more of a running game,
but they haven't solved it throughout the year. I don't
think that the defense is as good as they have
been in previous seasons. So I think the jury is
(14:30):
still out with Kansas City, and I'm They're not in
my circle of trust right now, just because of I
look at that Colts game and be like, man, that
was the absolute script that you needed to have to
win that football game, and they were only able to
win it by three. I didn't think. I didn't take
it as a great sign. Others may, but to me,
it wasn't like the Chiefs of old.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I agree a couple of things on that. One I've
been saying it's about the Chiefs since Brazil in Week one,
is that you know, even in that game, it was
like Mahomes made like four five incredible plays that no
one else on planet Earth could make. And if he
doesn't make them, that one's even uglier. And I just
you know, I think with the Chiefs it's you keep
waiting for that flip to switch. They're an old team
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that has played a lot of postseason games in the
last frankly six or seven years. And listen, I'm not
the first or the hundredth person to make this point,
but you know, I think.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
It reminds me of kind of that middle period.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You know, people forget this, Dan, I know, you know
you've been doing this for a while, but like the
Patriots won what was it three and four years with Brady,
you know, right to start, and then there was a
six seven eight year period where they were really good,
but they weren't the Patriots, and then they had the
second act with Kronk and you know eventually Randy Moss
and Edelman and all those guys. But I kind of
(15:47):
feel like that's where we are with the Chiefs right now.
Of you got to get younger in a lot of spots,
you got to get cheap in a lot of spots.
And I think that they will and obviously I think
they still have Hall of Fame quarterbacks, still very much
in his prime.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
But yeah, I'm with you in that one. I don't
trust him.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
They feel like a team, a game to game team
to me, a week to week team. Really quickly on
the Cowboys day, let me ask you this, I have
found myself weirdly enjoying and weirdly rooting for the Cowboys
this year. One I think that I go back to
the summer just the way that Really it's a couple
(16:23):
of things. One, we all and I include myself, laughed
off the Brian Schottenheimer. Higher don't think he's terrible. I
think he's already proven me wrong to a degree. Two,
I just look at how Dak handled that situation with Mike.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
It was a circus every day.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
You never heard anything from Dak held the locker room together,
you know, to the degree that he needed to. And
they're not a perfect team. But Schottenheimer, to me, feels
like a sympathetic figure. I don't sympathetic is probably not
the right word, but a guy that's easy to root for.
Dak has become increasingly easier to root for. I don't
know where you stand on that, but I have found
(16:59):
my scene. I always enjoyed the Cowboys self pity, but
I've kind of enjoyed this Cowboys team.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I will say this that I think that Jerry Jones
did like trading Michael Parsons is the difficult decision, and
whether people liked that he did or didn't do that's
not easy to do. And we always thought previously that
Jerry just pays guys.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
He paid.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He overpaid Dak like he did like even though he's
DA's having a great year sixty million dollars, because nobody's
coming close to that on an average annual salary. He
did it with Ezekiel Elliott, he did it with others,
and here to this point, no matter what happened, he
ended up not making the easy decision. Now, whether he
softened that by trading for quinnin Williams. I actually think
(17:41):
it's a I thought that that was a wise move.
You got to get better inside, and I think that's
been his point. But he didn't make the easy decision
and just pay He's I think he's been very interesting
in the head coaching highers that he's made throughout his tenure.
So I'm glad to see Brian Schottenheimer continue the offensive success.
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And honestly, they took the Steelers for a ride for
how good George Pickens is right now, great Colly, and
so considering like what you've got on that offense, it's
been actually a pretty good twenty twenty five for Jerry Jones,
even if the record has them on the outside looking
into the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah, I don't know you and I obviously filled in
for Doug last week, but I don't know if we
really You and I had the in depth talk about
the nineties Cowboys documentary, because I remember you even having
the topic in the summer of how much better the
NFL would be on top of how awesome it already
is if the Cowboys were good. But I bring it
(18:37):
up because I came out of that documentary soft spot sympathetic.
I don't know what the right word is, but liking
Jerry Moore because at minimum you could just eat it.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
For all the.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Bluster and all of this, the guy clearly cares and
the guy listen. Is he I'm just gonna say it.
Is he a narcissist? Probably should? He probably be deferring
certain things to certain people.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yes, is he really a GM?
Speaker 5 (19:04):
No?
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Whatever, But he clearly cares.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
He's clearly you know, not only on the back end,
but I hate to say, you know, the very back
end of you know, kind of his run running the organization.
So I don't know if you felt the same way
coming out of that documentary. I did find him to
be a little bit of a sympathetic figure, which maybe
has bled into this season and kind of how I'm
feeling about the Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
My biggest takeaway was we like, hold that four year
window in lower sure, like it's like Dred Like it
wasn't like a fifteen year run, you know, knowing had
in two decades, and you know, we look back at
the Cowboys time, we're like, man, how about them Cowboys?
I mean it was it was they won three and
four years and there was a build up to that,
but it's also the build up to it in the fall.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
That makes it such a great story.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Well, and really quick on that note, it was funny
because you know, I did watch that entire documentary I
think it was seven eight parts with my wife, and
you know, for people who haven't watched it, it's not
really a spoiler, but you know, the last episode is
essentially about how they've never been able to recapture that,
which of course is, you know, something that every every
NFL fan knows. But you know, I watched the documentary
(20:05):
with my wife. She's not a football fan, she doesn't know,
and so it was funny that you reference what you said,
because like, she had no idea that it's been thirty
years since they've really because you know, she's here's the Cowboys,
she sees them on TV all the time. And so
to your point about everyone holding that very small window
in time in lore, you know, I think if you're
(20:28):
a diehard NFL fan, a diehard football fan, you know,
but I think for a lot of people that maybe
just tuned in for the nostalgia, you forget how great
it was, but also how brief that window was with
obviously those those all time great players.
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Yes, our Friends Giving taking over the Doug Gottlieb Show today.
We'll also take over Cavino and Rich later on. Here
on FSR, he is Aaron Torres and I'm Dan Byer,
and I think I just heard somebody, uh knocking at
the door.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I'm not quite sure that is somebody, Aaron. Can you
check the window?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Can you see?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Oh wait wait, let's welcome in our good friend, Adam
Kaplan to our friends Giving here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
Hello, Adam, welcome in, guys, Yeah, thank you, I'm in
very warm, welcome. It is a little chili out there.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yes, yes, Can I take Can I take those mashed
potatoes from you? We will be eating those later on.
Here you go, Aaron, Just I don't know Ian can
you take those into the kitchen, thank you.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Matzi brought a couple of boxes of wine, Adam, if
you're thirsty.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So one was half empty, which I questioned her about.
But hey, we're all friends here on this friends giving.
Are the Green Bay Packers in your circle of trust,
Adam Kaplan?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
It's so funny.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
I don't know why you went there, but you know
that's something I do for Sports Square. I have my
circle of trust every month.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
We talk about it, by the way, like when even
when you're not on the air, we call it the
Adam Kaplan Circle of Trust.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I didn't know you knew that, Yeah, so yeah, I
just came up with it because for gambling, if you're wagering,
you're trying to figure out who to back, and I
always say, hey, here's a team based on the way
if they're playing, based on the way they're coaching what
I've heard that they have a better chance of covering
than not. Now, look, the Patriots have sort of defied
logic that The Packers completely frustrate me because now they're
(23:31):
doing great today, they're scoring, but their defense isn't stopping
anyone today with Detroit with all their injuries, surprisingly but
are they my circle trust?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Not really No.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
From one from the problem is they have when healthy.
Arguably Dan one of the top three most talented teams,
but for some reason with Matt Lafleur, he coaches very conservatively.
Not today, but more often not. And that's what's really
gotten by the way in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Adam, let me ask you, he's about the line.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And I remember asking you over the summer the impact
that Ben Johnson would have. Would it be bigger in
a positive way for Chicago in a negative way for Detroit?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Certainly been positive in Chicago. But I guess that's.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
A great question. I remember that. Go ahead.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
I remember you saying it was a great question. So
thank you for bringing.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
It up, because it's not the way that I would
have thought of it.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
And then you made me think because of but I
had no idea that they would be this good of
goudd No.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But but the counter to that is, you know, I
don't want to speak for you, but I think you
did have questions about the replacement of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I remember you saying, hey, he was a coordinator a
million morgan.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, eight years ago I reported that he could
not connect with the players, and they kind of turned
on him. Sure, and unfortunately they didn't turn on here.
They just didn't buy in. Yeah, it is really look
it coaches growing involved. He's not a bad coach. It's
just you got to understand it's a player's game. And
Dan Campbell, which is interesting, the second time he's did it,
(25:00):
he's done this. He did it his first year in
twenty twenty one. He replaced Anthony Lennis a play caller.
Now that was odd. I mean, the timing was ridiculous
that they were ready oh to eight. But when you
ever winning a record and you do it it's not aaron,
it's not quite the way you usually do it, but
you gotta have a feel for it.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
And so far, so good.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Adam Kaplin joining us here on our Friends Giving special
on this Thanksgiving on Fox Sports Radio. He is aeron Torres.
I'm Dan Byer, sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today on
this holiday tonight, it's the return of Joe Burrow. He
matter of fact says, if I'm healthy, I'm going to play.
Was there any question considering the loss last week in
(25:39):
New England three games back, the tough task of maybe.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Not playing Joe Burrow for Cincinnati.
Speaker 10 (25:44):
No, it's here's the thing. They're technically still alive for
a wild card spot. That is why you would play
him in week thirteen. He really the word around the
club was he probably could have played last week. Remember,
he had a severe left turf toe injury. And he is,
(26:05):
as Jake Glazier put out, he he Borrow told him
he was. So he is so many weeks ahead of schedule.
It's pretty impressive. Now to Higgins got lit up. He
had a really bad concussion. I don't know how long
he's gonna be out for. He's on playing this week.
That does hurt them now, I know that Dan. The
Bengals were, they were encouraged with the way that they
(26:25):
competed last week against the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Yeah, they blew that game.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
They were up ten nothing, I think, and they their
defense actually was pretty good, but their defense mostly has
been non competitive.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
And you know they it's it's ironic.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
They fired lou Anaroumo, right, he's now the Cults defense coordinator,
and look look how the Cults have done.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Funny how things work out.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Adam, I want to go to the earlier game.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You know, obviously, Casey Cowboys I was just talking to
Dan about this. I was taking about big picture Cowboys.
I find them to be one a good watch for sure,
but then two kind of a sympathetic team with the
way that deck just you know, the chaos never got
to him this summer. And I want to ask you,
I know that I was one of many that not
(27:07):
only had, you know, doubts about Brian Schottenheimer, but openly
kind of mocked the higher And they're five to five and.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
We're not the only one.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Go ahead, And that's what I was gonna say. Listen,
I'm not saying they're winning the division. I'm not saying
they're winning the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
What has the.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Vibe been in that locker room in that building, because
it seemed and by the way, five to five to one,
the offense is certainly not the problem. What has just
how he's been received as a head coach, and then
what the conversation is about him as a head coach
around the league.
Speaker 10 (27:37):
So, okay, here's what happened. Here's kind of the way
I understood it. And I'm gonna give you some background
on Shotty. So Shoddy coaches hard, he's hard on his players.
He was brought in specifically to coach Russell Wilson hard
in twenty twenty. He did a phenomenal job. He was
behind let Russ Cook. That was his idea to come
out throwing. He's done a phenomenal job. He's taking their
(27:58):
offense to another level. I get it, George Pickens helps
but you're right, Aaron, it's not their offense. It's their defense,
which is supposed to be mostly been terrible. Quite frankly,
Legal should have put up forty last week easy. They
had nine penalties in the second half, two turnovers. So
Matty Eberflus, who's an old school what he plays basically
mostly his own it is not worked after Mike. It
(28:19):
didn't work with Zimmer. Now what they do like is
they've changed their defensive front. They're now playing a five
man front. They're playing three d tackles and two edges
and they I know the Raiders are bad, but they
shut down the Raiders after a rough first half day
a really good job in the second half. So the
vibe is good. The vibe is good. Now they're still
out of the playoff race here they it's going to
(28:42):
be very hard. I mean, it's it's not impossible they're
two and a half games back. But this is this
is basically as I said for the Philly game, I
thought that was a must to win. They got to
win this game, and then you know, that's It's just
it's funny how things work out. If they win this game,
then they got to play the desperate Lions team in
(29:02):
Detroit next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Adam Kaplin joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, I
got one last one for you since you mentioned the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
So now they fired Chip Kelly.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
They frightful fired, by the way. That was that that
had to happen. But that's another story.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, you know, and you mentioned Brian Schottenheimer and Pete
Carroll and Carroll even talking about it says that they
want to win with defense and special teams some paraphrasing game.
But goah, yeah, I just I don't know how much
you can do that in today's NFL. What is going
on with the Raiders? And I guess my ultimate question,
could it be one and done for Pete Carroll this year?
Speaker 7 (29:34):
I would be surprised.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
There are too many hands in the cookie jar when
they hire too many peat pot of Pinges on hiring
Chip Kelly miner staying on the contract. It was a
three year deal worth eighteen million, highest paid offensive coordinator
I believe in NFL history. Just ridiculous contract, Chip Kelly.
The thing is Pete once run him and Schottenheimer didn't.
(29:55):
They didn't get along. You know, I've told you this
many times Dan over the years. It was it was
just a bad match shot. He did a great job,
but Pete does not want the quarterback to be a factory.
He wants the running game of defense. And by the way,
he also fired Tom McMahon. Pete Carroll did the offense
the e season, the special teams coach two weeks ago,
so they're a total mess.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Ashton gent He's just what you're seeing.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
Is now with bet with a better play caller and schemer,
he'll be better next season. But nothing is worked man,
gents A. He's a run after contact running back that's
old school that he doesn't really fit today's NFL very well.
But they're a nightmare and Gino Smith has had a
rough season. You can make the argument everyone says the
Jets are the worst, and it's not that I'm going
(30:39):
to disagree with anyone. The Jets are terrible and Tennessee's
got the worst record, but they have a quarterback and
I know a bunch of offensive coaches would love to
have that job because Kim Work could play. He just
needs talent around him and a little bit of our coaching.
But the Raiders are an absolute dumpster fire. They're They're
really bad, and the problem is they don't have a
lot of good players.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Well, we're always thankful for Adam Kaplan, who's never a
dumpster fire when he judges us, especially on Thanksgiving and Friendsgiving.
Wytn't you sit by the fire, kick the feed up
and watch them foot fall for the rest of the day. Adam,
thanks so much. Happy Thanksgiving, Adam Kaplan, Sports Grid Inside
the Birds podcast at Kaplan NFL on X joins me
(31:20):
and Carrie Rhoades every Sunday on end Zone Radio on
Fox Sports Radio. Hey, it's Stan Byer here. Sesame Street
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Donate this holiday season at Sesame dot org because the
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shotgun on this Friends Giving in for Doug Gottlieb on
The Doug Gottlieb Show. Moncey Milanios, box of wine and
(31:43):
so much more at the news desk, giving us the
latest of what's happening. What's going on, Monty.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Foxwine, No, I would bring I'm bringing real wine up
the box wine guys, come on, come on now, I.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Can't you finished all the box wine in the carpet.
Don't stop.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
We're not gonna We're not gonna tell that to the listeners.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
I can't not hear Adam Kaplan calling Brian Schottenheimer shoddy
like I think shorty like shoddy.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
You know. He said. It took me a second at
first time, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
Yeah, no, no, I just gonna be like shorty, Yeah,
good guy, shorty, because you know I get called that
a lot. But guys, Thanksgiving, friends giving you, That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Yes, like that right.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
He was about to.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Sing an R and B song, about to break it
down with your short age nothing alright, Ah.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
But that's what I've met, That's what I met.
Speaker 12 (32:33):
The first of three magups today in the NFL still
going in Detroit. You have Jared Goff out there blocking
for Jamison Williams. Now the Lions are losing by ten
to the Packers. It's thirty one to twenty one, still
early in the fourth quarter, but Jordan Love has own
four touchdown passes, two of them came on fourth down.
He is sixteen of twenty six for two hundred and
ten yards, while Jared Goff is fourteen of seventeen for
(32:56):
one hundred and seventy four yards and two touchdowns. The
Lions currently have the ball and they are driving there
at Green Bay's twenty eight yard line. Other games that
are coming up Chiefs and Cowboys that's at four thirty
Eastern time, and the Bengals and the Ravens that's at
a twenty Eastern time. And yes, Joe Burrow is expected
to start for Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Colts.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Quarterback Daniel Jones apparently suffered a fracture in his fibula.
The NFL network is reporting that he was a full
participant in practice and that he's going to attempt to
play through it for Week thirteen against the Texans. There
is a video on social media of him not looking
that good. I don't know exactly if it's just like
a bad video for a moment, but it looked like
he was not moving the way you would want your
(33:33):
quarterback to move. Okay Giants sid quarterback Jackson dar has
cleared concussion protocol, putting him in line to play Monday
Night football against the Patriots. When it comes to college football,
multiple reports Missouri has agreed to a six year contract
with coach Eli Drinkwitz. It includes an average annual salary
of ten point seventy five million and expanded resources for
his staff through the twenty thirty one season. In the NBA,
(33:56):
Warriors anticipate that stuff. Curry is going to miss about
a week or so. He's suffered a quo contusion last
night against the Houston Rockets, and in golf, two time
Major champion Fuzzy Zeller has passed away at the age
of seventy four.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Back to you guys, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
MONTI lines right now, facing a fourth and three down
ten with eleven minutes to go at the Green Bay
twenty one yard line.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Jamison Williams drops the football.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Aaron, this puts them if they would have kicked the
field goal in this situation, it's a seven point game,
there's under eleven minutes to go. I understand the whole
go for it, go for it deal, golf, throw it
behind Jamison Williams and they don't convert. But now Green
Bay can run the ball, work the clock, and it's
still a two score game. Like that's just I understand,
(34:41):
like having conviction and what you do, but there's also
times that you have to save yourself from yourself, and
I think the Lions have missed a huge opportunity to
at least make it a one score game. And if
you want to get you know, if you want to
put your chest out on the next possession, score a
touchdown and goal for two, take the lead that way,
this was not the not the place to do it
(35:02):
for Detroit in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
So I'll be quick here, But I don't know if
you've ever heard the audio of JJ Reddick yelling at
me on his podcast before he became the Lakers head coach.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I'm sure i've at least in passing told you the story.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
But the the the the line that he used, and
it was about two versus threes whatever about me.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
He said, it's a math equation, f head, And he
didn't use fhead. He extended it out.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
It's Thanksgiving, we keep it clean.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, well, Dan Campbell, it's a math equation. F head
kicked the field goal, and I agree with the hundred
percent is that. I understand aggression is your ethos all
of that, but it really is a math equation. You know,
nothing's guaranteed, but you know it's right around what what
would you know, what would.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Be a chip shot field goal? You kick it there.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
It is a one score game obviously, you know Dan
Campbell chose otherwise. And uh, like I said, I'm all
for being aggressive, but it's a equation kick the field
goal to make it a one score game.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's erin to as I'm Dan Byer on this friends
Giving here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, we've
got our Tirac Play of the day. Plus we get
the crew and family together to play a game, as
we only do on this friends Giving. He's erin Torres.
I'm Dan Byer on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. It's
the Buyer and Torres Friendsgiving on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I'm Dan Byer. He is eron Torres. Welcome in.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Everyone is welcome on this friends Giving. A Thanksgiving. Find
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Now time for the Tyrac Player of the Day.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
And here's the snap look looks downfield, loffs it left
side going for Wix over the shoulder, catches made.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Is it a touchdown?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
A tumbling grab in the left side of the end
zone A touchdown or not?
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Yes, it's a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
One of four touchdown passes for Jordan Love on the day,
two of them to Dontavian Wicks on WR and W
and the Packers Radio Network. They continue to lead Detroit
thirty one twenty one. Now with under nine minutes to
go in Motown. There's a game in Detroit, and there's
a game right now on this Frank's Giving. Let's the
Friends Giving. Let's play it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Frank'sgiving is in June when all these Franks just get
together and they have hot dogs.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That's what it is. Months. That's right, Monty.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Batter of Frank Reigno coming out of returnment.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, it is good, good call. That would have been
much better, Yes, much better off.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
They both worked.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
They both worked, all right, Yes, Monsie, what do you
got for the game today?
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Well, we are playing.
Speaker 11 (38:04):
I feel a draft, that's right, guys, We're gonna be
drafting probably just one time around, based on the time,
our favorite sports day on the calendar. You know how
there's certain days throughout the year that like pertain to
a particular sportday.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (38:17):
Yeah, it's a holiday. It doesn't have to put You
get what I'm saying. So we're gonna draft in disorder.
It'll go Ian, then Me, then Ryan, then Aaron, and
we'll end with you Dan Ian kick us off.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Okay, yeah, I mean I I'm going with to me.
This is the clear number one choice is Christmas because
that's the day that you get awesome NBA games and
awesome NFL games. Now because the NFL is starting to
slowly take over, not even slowly takeover for themselves, but yeah,
Christmas is always great games. And those are two of
my favorite sports. So easy pick for me.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That is an easy one, Ryan, what you got?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I was thinking, thinking, thinking, but I want to go
with the fourth of July.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Nice, all right, Okay, Okay, Merca little baseballs, sitting in
a little baseball.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
There's Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
There's also you know, could be soccer World Cup at times.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
At times, yes, so I kind of want to piggyback.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
I'm next.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
I'm gonna piggyback a little bit on Ryan. And it's
not that it's a holiday, but it's a day in
sports to meet. Because you said fourth of July, I
actually prefer Opening Day for baseball. Like the grasses are
the best that they're gonna look, all the flags are out,
everyone's excited. It's the time of year where the sun
is out, and so it's like a holiday for me. Yeah,
Opening day of baseball. I love that day.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
My favorite thing about Opening Day is like when a
bad team in bad weather, like the Colorado Rocket or something,
they'll sell like completely sell out, and then the next
day they play a day game and there's like twelve
thousand people in a forty five thousand seats stadium.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, also Bajor League Baseball, they'll have opening day, and
then they'll have a day off.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
The I say, right, yes, that's annoying.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
But part of the reason too is if there's bad weather.
There's so much value in the Monti's point about opening
Day that you then try to play it the next day,
so people who have tickets for that day, because otherwise,
if you had tickets for the next day, then you're
kind of like, well, we just overpaid for Opening Day, right,
So that allows you to at least get that premium.
Speaker 11 (40:11):
Sure, yes, exactly, all right, add on your next all.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Right, so I'm gonna throw a little bit of a curveball.
I will go college basketball. No, I will say the
Friday of Championship week is my favorite day of the year.
It's when all the tournaments are going on, all the
bad teams have eliminated, all the good teams are playing
each other. I've said for years that that week is
(40:35):
actually bet more favorite. I like it more than the
opening week of the NCAA tournament. I know, I gotta
be quick, that's my answer.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's all right.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I'm gonna just wrap it up and say this because
it's not happening much anymore. But there was nothing like
New Year's Day and college football. There's nothing with all
the bowl games, and now we're getting less and least,
but there are still some playoff games that are taking
place on New Year's Day. But there was nothing like
that feel of sitting back and watching the Patch and
Tree of college football game.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
This is game time on The Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
It's not game for the Lions, as Jamis and Williams
are just taking the football into Green Bay territory. So
the Lions down ten will have it first and ten
at the twenty five. He's Aaron, I'm Dan. It's Friends
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Oh, it's not just an aeron Torres and Dan By
our show. It is far from that aeron Torres. First
things first, I have to say happy birthday to my wife.
So it's my wife's birthday today. But for what I
don't know, fifth sixth thirty second possible time eron Torres.
(00:50):
We are getting together on a Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
How are you?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I'm great happy first of all, I mean most importantly,
happy birthday to your wife.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Happy thays Giving.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
It's been a few and I think it's not just Thanksgiving,
if I if I read the Facebook invite correctly, it's
not just Thanksgiving, right.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
You are correct eron Torres.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
You know the music, ladies and gentlemen we present to you. Oh,
it's our friends giving, our friends giving.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Drop is here?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Do we have our friends Giving drop, Hello, Friendsgiving drop.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It's the buyer there.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
It is all right, welcome in.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
When you hear this music, When you hear that doorbell,
you know someone is here. Ryan Smith is here. That's
at the door. He's at the door, Ryan smell. Whoa
happy friends giving to you? Oh man, what a day?
Speaker 7 (01:54):
What a day?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Brings a tear to my eye. His hands are full.
That is that a great being cast role at that?
Ryde's Wait, somebody's knocking. Oh my goodness, Aaron, do you
know who that is? That's Manzy Belango Moty.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Welcome to the friends giving. Thank you so happy to
be hanging out.
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Manzi a box of wine?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You should well, it's time to celebrate. It's time to celebrate.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, it is great to have you here, it truly is.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I hope you and Ryan can can find a seat
and we will be welcoming many more.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Wait, is that is that? Do I see parking his car? Wait? No,
he's at the door. It's our executive producer, Ian Roddy.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Happy Thanksgiving, Ian, Happy Thanksgiving, guys Man, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
What a crew that we've got here today. Aaron, It's
good to be amongst friends.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
It is it's uh yeah, We've been doing this for
a while now, and but there's nothing only thing better
than a Thanksgiving is a friends giving.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
And excited to be here with you.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
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Various guests will be joining us throughout the program. We're
talking a lot of football. And as we were talking
(03:17):
and welcoming all of our guests on the old TV
in the corner, Christian Watson has just caught a touchdown
pass with the green Bay Packers from Jordan love Goes
for fifty one yards. Green Bay's extended their lead to
nine with an extra point coming. Detroit playing without Aman
Russ Saint Brown in this contest after he got injured
(03:38):
early on. Green Bay about to make it a ten
point lead if Brandon McManus can make this extra point,
and he does so with ten thirty one left to
go in the third quarter eron Torres, the Packers lead
the Lions twenty four to fourteen. I liked the Packers
in this game. Packers beat the Lions earlier this season.
(03:58):
I just wonder at one point for Detroit, when you've
had certain injuries build up, you have now Frank Rereig
now coming out of retirement to try to play center
for your team's not playing today. But at some point
Will just mentioned the aman Ras Saint Brown injury. I'm
not saying that injuries are the excuse. I just don't
know how much Detroit has And Green Bay is a
(04:21):
team tough defense, likes to run the football, and if
Jordan Love can do that to Christian Watson, they're gonna
be a tough team to beat.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I fell it was a tough task for the Lions today.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
So you know, this is the only downside of a
friend's giving is you know that you never know what
the TV setup is when you're gonna show up at
the house. And so I'm officially out about a thirty
to forty second delay to where you are in the
other corner room. It's crazy because I actually thought you
were going to reference the fourth down stop that you
said as we were welcoming in everybody. I thought you
(04:54):
were going to reference the fact that there was a
fourth down stop that set up the Packers at midfield
and Christian wak Christian Watkins, Christian Watson was already in
the end zone where you are. So, yeah, you know,
Lions banged up. I also this weird play calling situation
with them. I've been a little bit underwhelmed. I know
they have fourteen points on the board, but Jamison Williams
(05:15):
kind ripped off a big play one hundred and fifty
seven total yards.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Listen. I know there's injuries.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
I know there's no you know, Ben Johnson is obviously
elite at what he does. This offense right now looks
a little stuck in the mud to me, and the
Packers have obviously kind of opened up that lead.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah they haven't.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
They haven't found their their rhythm. And you really can't
say that they found their rhythm last week because the
giants on offense were doing things to the defense.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, so the defense if they can't.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Hold their end, I don't know on how many shootouts
the offense can win. And again, it's not just attrition,
like you're right about that. And this gets into we're
gonna have Adam Kaplan in about twenty minutes. Hopefully he
comes because he has the pumpkin pie, but when he
joins us, the thing that he has is a circle
of trust. Teams in the circle of trust, and there
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really hasn't been a point with the Lions this year
that I think you can put them in that circle.
Green Bay, I feel, has been in, they've been out.
They've been in and they've been out, and maybe now's
the opportunity to put them back in. I understand that
green Bay fans can get frustrated with Matt Lafleur. We
have that image of him on the sidelines, I believe
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it during the Carolina game where he's just looking at
the tablet on the sideline trying to figure out to play.
Maybe it was the primetime game, the point being it's
against the egos, that's who it was. I don't think
that Packer fans are happy with Matt Lafleur because how
much they run the ball and want to rely on
defense and don't open it up. However, I think if
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you get in a game situation, a one game scenario,
a winner go home scenario, it's difficult to play that
sort of style. I think it's difficult like that would
you play in college basketball or the NBA, and I
think in the NFL, when you go up against teams
that have a style that maybe not everybody else plays
and you can be more physical than them, and it's
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not about playing an eighteen game schedule. I think Green
Bay is a very very difficult out because of the
style that they play in this from a team that
people thought could have been a Super Bowl contender, We're
gonna win the super Bowl after two weeks out of
the season, I think Green Bay is just a really,
really tough out, no matter if they're the first seed
of the seventh seed.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Gum playoff time.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean, listen, a lot of the hallmarks of
what you want out of a championship caliber team, and
I think, you know, to be honest with them, I
think we got we all got.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
So excited after two weeks.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
You know, they have the dominant win ironically against the
Lions in Week one, and then that quick turnaround to
Thursday Night football with the Washington Commanders before we knew
what the Commanders were. Admitted leagu Jaden Daniels did play
in that game. But I just bring it up because
you know, they get off to that really hot to
and oh start to essentially nationally televised games, and then
you know, there was a Cowboys game and there was
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the Browns loss and whatever.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
But I just bring it up because, yes.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Maybe they weren't or you know, maybe they aren't or
never were the best team in the NFL, like we
maybe thought they were after a game or two. But
it doesn't change the fact that it doesn't mean that
they're not a team that's really built, that has a
lot of the hallmarks to do some things in the playoffs.
And I think what's interesting is, you know, we get
so caught up in the Bear story, which it's a
(08:27):
great story, to be abundantly clear, get so caught up
in the Bear story.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
We get so excited about what they've done, and you know, you.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Look at the Packers as far as like I said,
a loss to the Browns, a loss to the Panthers
before we realized how good they were. Packers are half
a game back in the standings thanks to that tie,
tied in the lost column, and still play the Bears twice.
And so it's like, you know, again, like I said,
I just feel like, because we get so excited about
the Bears story, we don't realize how close the Packers
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are to you know, min hosting a playoff game and
maybe again having a couple home home games in the
playoffs at Lambeufield.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
And they did not meet the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
However, as you mentioned, they did beat the Lions at
the beginning of the season. And I would I would
rather have a team, say, lose to the Browns or
lose to the to the Panthers. And now we look
at it and maybe the Panthers loss isn't as bad
as we you know it Originally.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
The Browns defense is insane.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
I mean, like, yeah, the Browns loss isn't you know
it's it's not one you know, you can tell your
grandkids about it in a positive way, but like, it's
not it's not losing to the Jets.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
Basically. It's the point that I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
To Yeah, and am I when I'm looking at the
Bears and we look at the Bears and who that
they have beaten. I'm not a big strength of schedule
guy in the NFL because it doesn't matter your wins
are you're the only way that we're judging. I think
only a few times we've looked back and said, yeah,
they really haven't beaten anyone. There's like those those Dolphins
teams a couple of you know, years ago when they
went out on a win streak, Like, who are they
really beaten? The Bears are are beating who's on their schedule.
(10:01):
But I would rather have a couple of good wins
on my plate and mix with a couple of bad
losses than to never be able to beat good teams.
Because in the playoffs, you're only going to face good teams, right,
And so when I look at Green Bay, I think
green Bay is capable of beating good teams or teams
that actually may be better than they are, and I'm
not sure the Chicago Bears are in that category.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Great call, you know, yeah, And I mean you factor
in again, trending towards a sweep of the Lions, took
care of business, you know, dominated the Vikings last week,
and then of course, listen, you know, you lose the Eagles,
but nip and tuck game that could go either way.
The only point I'm trying to make is that I
am with you as far as that's concerned, and as
far as the Bears are concerned. Kind of the opposite,
(10:45):
you know, like you were saying you never want to
discredit a team for beating bad teams, because bottom line
is that something that the Bears haven't doug very much
in their at least recent history. But certainly when I
say recent history, I mean pretty much like the last
three decades. So you don't want to discredit the shootout
against the Bengals, the comeback against the Giants, whatever wins
or wins. But to your point, you start looking at them,
(11:06):
Okay Raiders, Okay Saints, Okay Ravens, in a game in
which Lamar Jackson did not play. All of a sudden,
you start picking apart that schedule. Again, you don't want
to discredit what they've done and who they've done it
against and the wins that they've gotten. But I do
think as they step up in weight class over the
back half of the year, I think it is fair
to have questions about them. Frankly, to your point, maybe
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questions that you don't have about other teams.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, and similar there's similar opponents that they've they've both beaten.
But if Green Bay can sweep Detroit, I think that
would say a lot. By the way, Detroit is back
in the end zone, so they've answered the touchdown pass
from Jordan Love to Christian Watson, Isaac taslat with the
touchdown reception from Jared Goff again Amanaras Saint Brown went
down in the first quarter of this game has not returned,
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so the Lions were lying. Jared Goff actually had a
big run on this drive to allow them to get
the chain moving. David Montgomery's had more of a role
today as Jami or Gibbs has been kept in check.
So that's where we are in the first game of
this Thanksgiving Day. A triple header, A pretty good triple
header by the way, Chiefs Cowboys coming up. So curious
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to see which Cowboys team ends up showing up. Is
the one that was down twenty one nothing to the
Eagles or the one that I had twenty four unanswered
That comes up a little bit later on today. And
then the return of Joe Burrow tonight for the Bengals
against the Ravens. So a nice triple header. Aaron that
we've got on this Front's Giving.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Now I'm excited. I mean, obviously, you know, Joe Burrow
coming back is the headline. And it's funny because you know,
just going you know, thinking about my weekend show is
obviously case themselves is coming off the nice win over Indy,
but I won't bring it up because my radio partner
on Saturdays, Jason Martin, brought up the good point going
into that game. This was obviously prior to knowing the
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fact that they got the win, but going into that
game he kind of referenced, like, you lose this game,
the Cowboys are actually, all of a sudden, a quick
team on a short turnaround because of how quickly they
can score with that off. So to your point, you know,
the Cowboys are a little bit of a wild card
to say the least. You know, maybe not even literally,
but definitely figuratively. And so you know, the Cowboys at
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minimum this year are a fun watch and I don't
know that you could have said that about them in
other years. So I'm excited for that one. Then obviously
just having Joe Burrow back. One curious to see what
he looks like, but two just happy to see him
on a field period.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Kansas City dominated the Colts in that game. They had
two bad turnovers, at one in the red zone. They
had one backed up in their own basically in the
shadow of their own goalposts. That allowed the Colts to
end up scoring almost immediately after that turnover, but it
was thirty three first downs to ten. Completely dominated the
time of possession, and I think that's go to I
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say to myself, that's Kansas.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
City controlling, controlling the game.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
And then I take a step back or three steps back,
and I'm like, they dominated this game and they needed
over time to beat the Colts in shutting down Jonathan Taylor,
and so to me, it's actually con I know that
they can win in different ways, but I don't know
what Kansas City does so well, aside from having Patrick
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Mahomes be their quarterback. Media Kareem Hunt had thirty carries
for one hundred and four yards in that win against
the Colts. Now, Isaiah Pacheco expected to come back today
in play, so there's a bit more of a running game,
but they haven't solved it throughout the year. I don't
think that the defense is as good as they have
been in previous seasons. So I think the jury is
(14:30):
still out with Kansas City, and I'm They're not in
my circle of trust right now, just because of I
look at that Colts game and be like, man, that
was the absolute script that you needed to have to
win that football game, and they were only able to
win it by three. I didn't think. I didn't take
it as a great sign. Others may, but to me,
it wasn't like the Chiefs of old.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
No.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
I agree a couple of things on that. One I've
been saying it's about the Chiefs since Brazil in Week one,
is that you know, even in that game, it was
like Mahomes made like four five incredible plays that no
one else on planet Earth could make. And if he
doesn't make them, that one's even uglier. And I just
you know, I think with the Chiefs it's you keep
waiting for that flip to switch. They're an old team
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that has played a lot of postseason games in the
last frankly six or seven years. And listen, I'm not
the first or the hundredth person to make this point,
but you know, I think.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
It reminds me of kind of that middle period.
Speaker 5 (15:26):
You know, people forget this, Dan, I know, you know
you've been doing this for a while, but like the
Patriots won what was it three and four years with Brady,
you know, right to start, and then there was a
six seven eight year period where they were really good,
but they weren't the Patriots, and then they had the
second act with Kronk and you know eventually Randy Moss
and Edelman and all those guys. But I kind of
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feel like that's where we are with the Chiefs right now.
Of you got to get younger in a lot of spots,
you got to get cheap in a lot of spots.
And I think that they will and obviously I think
they still have Hall of Fame quarterbacks, still very much
in his prime.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
But yeah, I'm with you in that one. I don't
trust him.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
They feel like a team, a game to game team
to me, a week to week team. Really quickly on
the Cowboys day, let me ask you this, I have
found myself weirdly enjoying and weirdly rooting for the Cowboys
this year. One I think that I go back to
the summer just the way that Really it's a couple
(16:23):
of things. One, we all and I include myself, laughed
off the Brian Schottenheimer. Higher don't think he's terrible. I
think he's already proven me wrong to a degree. Two,
I just look at how Dak handled that situation with Mike.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
It was a circus every day.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
You never heard anything from Dak held the locker room together,
you know, to the degree that he needed to. And
they're not a perfect team. But Schottenheimer, to me, feels
like a sympathetic figure. I don't sympathetic is probably not
the right word, but a guy that's easy to root for.
Dak has become increasingly easier to root for. I don't
know where you stand on that, but I have found
(16:59):
my scene. I always enjoyed the Cowboys self pity, but
I've kind of enjoyed this Cowboys team.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I will say this that I think that Jerry Jones
did like trading Michael Parsons is the difficult decision, and
whether people liked that he did or didn't do that's
not easy to do. And we always thought previously that
Jerry just pays guys.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
He paid.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
He overpaid Dak like he did like even though he's
DA's having a great year sixty million dollars, because nobody's
coming close to that on an average annual salary. He
did it with Ezekiel Elliott, he did it with others,
and here to this point, no matter what happened, he
ended up not making the easy decision. Now, whether he
softened that by trading for quinnin Williams. I actually think
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it's a I thought that that was a wise move.
You got to get better inside, and I think that's
been his point. But he didn't make the easy decision
and just pay He's I think he's been very interesting
in the head coaching highers that he's made throughout his tenure.
So I'm glad to see Brian Schottenheimer continue the offensive success.
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And honestly, they took the Steelers for a ride for
how good George Pickens is right now, great Colly, and
so considering like what you've got on that offense, it's
been actually a pretty good twenty twenty five for Jerry Jones,
even if the record has them on the outside looking
into the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Yeah, I don't know you and I obviously filled in
for Doug last week, but I don't know if we
really You and I had the in depth talk about
the nineties Cowboys documentary, because I remember you even having
the topic in the summer of how much better the
NFL would be on top of how awesome it already
is if the Cowboys were good. But I bring it
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up because I came out of that documentary soft spot sympathetic.
I don't know what the right word is, but liking
Jerry Moore because at minimum you could just eat it.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
For all the.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Bluster and all of this, the guy clearly cares and
the guy listen. Is he I'm just gonna say it.
Is he a narcissist? Probably should? He probably be deferring
certain things to certain people.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yes, is he really a GM?
Speaker 5 (19:04):
No?
Speaker 6 (19:05):
Whatever, But he clearly cares.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
He's clearly you know, not only on the back end,
but I hate to say, you know, the very back
end of you know, kind of his run running the organization.
So I don't know if you felt the same way
coming out of that documentary. I did find him to
be a little bit of a sympathetic figure, which maybe
has bled into this season and kind of how I'm
feeling about the Cowboy.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
My biggest takeaway was we like, hold that four year
window in lower sure, like it's like Dred Like it
wasn't like a fifteen year run, you know, knowing had
in two decades, and you know, we look back at
the Cowboys time, we're like, man, how about them Cowboys?
I mean it was it was they won three and
four years and there was a build up to that,
but it's also the build up to it in the fall.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
That makes it such a great story.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Well, and really quick on that note, it was funny
because you know, I did watch that entire documentary I
think it was seven eight parts with my wife, and
you know, for people who haven't watched it, it's not
really a spoiler, but you know, the last episode is
essentially about how they've never been able to recapture that,
which of course is, you know, something that every every
NFL fan knows. But you know, I watched the documentary
(20:05):
with my wife. She's not a football fan, she doesn't know,
and so it was funny that you reference what you said,
because like, she had no idea that it's been thirty
years since they've really because you know, she's here's the Cowboys,
she sees them on TV all the time. And so
to your point about everyone holding that very small window
in time in lore, you know, I think if you're
(20:28):
a diehard NFL fan, a diehard football fan, you know,
but I think for a lot of people that maybe
just tuned in for the nostalgia, you forget how great
it was, but also how brief that window was with
obviously those those all time great players.
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and I think I just heard somebody, uh knocking at
the door.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
I'm not quite sure that is somebody, Aaron. Can you
check the window?
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Can you see?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
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Kaplan to our friends Giving here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 10 (22:31):
Hello, Adam, welcome in, guys, Yeah, thank you, I'm in
very warm, welcome. It is a little chili out there.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Yes, yes, Can I take Can I take those mashed
potatoes from you? We will be eating those later on.
Here you go, Aaron, Just I don't know Ian can
you take those into the kitchen, thank you.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Matzi brought a couple of boxes of wine, Adam, if
you're thirsty.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So one was half empty, which I questioned her about.
But hey, we're all friends here on this friends giving.
Are the Green Bay Packers in your circle of trust,
Adam Kaplan?
Speaker 7 (23:00):
It's so funny.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
I don't know why you went there, but you know
that's something I do for Sports Square. I have my
circle of trust every month.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
We talk about it, by the way, like when even
when you're not on the air, we call it the
Adam Kaplan Circle of Trust.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I didn't know you knew that, Yeah, so yeah, I
just came up with it because for gambling, if you're wagering,
you're trying to figure out who to back, and I
always say, hey, here's a team based on the way
if they're playing, based on the way they're coaching what
I've heard that they have a better chance of covering
than not. Now, look, the Patriots have sort of defied
logic that The Packers completely frustrate me because now they're
(23:31):
doing great today, they're scoring, but their defense isn't stopping
anyone today with Detroit with all their injuries, surprisingly but
are they my circle trust?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Not really No.
Speaker 10 (23:40):
From one from the problem is they have when healthy.
Arguably Dan one of the top three most talented teams,
but for some reason with Matt Lafleur, he coaches very conservatively.
Not today, but more often not. And that's what's really
gotten by the way in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Adam, let me ask you, he's about the line.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
And I remember asking you over the summer the impact
that Ben Johnson would have. Would it be bigger in
a positive way for Chicago in a negative way for Detroit?
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Certainly been positive in Chicago. But I guess that's.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
A great question. I remember that. Go ahead.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
I remember you saying it was a great question. So
thank you for bringing.
Speaker 7 (24:19):
It up, because it's not the way that I would
have thought of it.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
And then you made me think because of but I
had no idea that they would be this good of
goudd No.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
But but the counter to that is, you know, I
don't want to speak for you, but I think you
did have questions about the replacement of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
I remember you saying, hey, he was a coordinator a
million morgan.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Yeah, yeah, eight years ago I reported that he could
not connect with the players, and they kind of turned
on him. Sure, and unfortunately they didn't turn on here.
They just didn't buy in. Yeah, it is really look
it coaches growing involved. He's not a bad coach. It's
just you got to understand it's a player's game. And
Dan Campbell, which is interesting, the second time he's did it,
(25:00):
he's done this. He did it his first year in
twenty twenty one. He replaced Anthony Lennis a play caller.
Now that was odd. I mean, the timing was ridiculous
that they were ready oh to eight. But when you
ever winning a record and you do it it's not aaron,
it's not quite the way you usually do it, but
you gotta have a feel for it.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
And so far, so good.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Adam Kaplin joining us here on our Friends Giving special
on this Thanksgiving on Fox Sports Radio. He is aeron Torres.
I'm Dan Byer, sitting in for Doug Gottlieb today on
this holiday tonight, it's the return of Joe Burrow. He
matter of fact says, if I'm healthy, I'm going to play.
Was there any question considering the loss last week in
(25:39):
New England three games back, the tough task of maybe.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Not playing Joe Burrow for Cincinnati.
Speaker 10 (25:44):
No, it's here's the thing. They're technically still alive for
a wild card spot. That is why you would play
him in week thirteen. He really the word around the
club was he probably could have played last week. Remember,
he had a severe left turf toe injury. And he is,
(26:05):
as Jake Glazier put out, he he Borrow told him
he was. So he is so many weeks ahead of schedule.
It's pretty impressive. Now to Higgins got lit up. He
had a really bad concussion. I don't know how long
he's gonna be out for. He's on playing this week.
That does hurt them now, I know that Dan. The
Bengals were, they were encouraged with the way that they
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competed last week against the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Yeah, they blew that game.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
They were up ten nothing, I think, and they their
defense actually was pretty good, but their defense mostly has
been non competitive.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
And you know they it's it's ironic.
Speaker 10 (26:37):
They fired lou Anaroumo, right, he's now the Cults defense coordinator,
and look look how the Cults have done.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Funny how things work out.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Adam, I want to go to the earlier game.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You know, obviously, Casey Cowboys I was just talking to
Dan about this. I was taking about big picture Cowboys.
I find them to be one a good watch for sure,
but then two kind of a sympathetic team with the
way that deck just you know, the chaos never got
to him this summer. And I want to ask you,
I know that I was one of many that not
(27:07):
only had, you know, doubts about Brian Schottenheimer, but openly
kind of mocked the higher And they're five to five and.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
We're not the only one.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
Go ahead, And that's what I was gonna say. Listen,
I'm not saying they're winning the division. I'm not saying
they're winning the super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
What has the.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Vibe been in that locker room in that building, because
it seemed and by the way, five to five to one,
the offense is certainly not the problem. What has just
how he's been received as a head coach, and then
what the conversation is about him as a head coach
around the league.
Speaker 10 (27:37):
So, okay, here's what happened. Here's kind of the way
I understood it. And I'm gonna give you some background
on Shotty. So Shoddy coaches hard, he's hard on his players.
He was brought in specifically to coach Russell Wilson hard
in twenty twenty. He did a phenomenal job. He was
behind let Russ Cook. That was his idea to come
out throwing. He's done a phenomenal job. He's taking their
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offense to another level. I get it, George Pickens helps
but you're right, Aaron, it's not their offense. It's their defense,
which is supposed to be mostly been terrible. Quite frankly,
Legal should have put up forty last week easy. They
had nine penalties in the second half, two turnovers. So
Matty Eberflus, who's an old school what he plays basically
mostly his own it is not worked after Mike. It
(28:19):
didn't work with Zimmer. Now what they do like is
they've changed their defensive front. They're now playing a five
man front. They're playing three d tackles and two edges
and they I know the Raiders are bad, but they
shut down the Raiders after a rough first half day
a really good job in the second half. So the
vibe is good. The vibe is good. Now they're still
out of the playoff race here they it's going to
(28:42):
be very hard. I mean, it's it's not impossible they're
two and a half games back. But this is this
is basically as I said for the Philly game, I
thought that was a must to win. They got to
win this game, and then you know, that's It's just
it's funny how things work out. If they win this game,
then they got to play the desperate Lions team in
(29:02):
Detroit next Thursday.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Adam Kaplin joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, I
got one last one for you since you mentioned the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
So now they fired Chip Kelly.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
They frightful fired, by the way. That was that that
had to happen. But that's another story.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, you know, and you mentioned Brian Schottenheimer and Pete
Carroll and Carroll even talking about it says that they
want to win with defense and special teams some paraphrasing game.
But goah, yeah, I just I don't know how much
you can do that in today's NFL. What is going
on with the Raiders? And I guess my ultimate question,
could it be one and done for Pete Carroll this year?
Speaker 7 (29:34):
I would be surprised.
Speaker 10 (29:35):
There are too many hands in the cookie jar when
they hire too many peat pot of Pinges on hiring
Chip Kelly miner staying on the contract. It was a
three year deal worth eighteen million, highest paid offensive coordinator
I believe in NFL history. Just ridiculous contract, Chip Kelly.
The thing is Pete once run him and Schottenheimer didn't.
(29:55):
They didn't get along. You know, I've told you this
many times Dan over the years. It was it was
just a bad match shot. He did a great job,
but Pete does not want the quarterback to be a factory.
He wants the running game of defense. And by the way,
he also fired Tom McMahon. Pete Carroll did the offense
the e season, the special teams coach two weeks ago,
so they're a total mess.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Ashton gent He's just what you're seeing.
Speaker 10 (30:19):
Is now with bet with a better play caller and schemer,
he'll be better next season. But nothing is worked man,
gents A. He's a run after contact running back that's
old school that he doesn't really fit today's NFL very well.
But they're a nightmare and Gino Smith has had a
rough season. You can make the argument everyone says the
Jets are the worst, and it's not that I'm going
(30:39):
to disagree with anyone. The Jets are terrible and Tennessee's
got the worst record, but they have a quarterback and
I know a bunch of offensive coaches would love to
have that job because Kim Work could play. He just
needs talent around him and a little bit of our coaching.
But the Raiders are an absolute dumpster fire. They're They're
really bad, and the problem is they don't have a
lot of good players.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Well, we're always thankful for Adam Kaplan, who's never a
dumpster fire when he judges us, especially on Thanksgiving and Friendsgiving.
Wytn't you sit by the fire, kick the feed up
and watch them foot fall for the rest of the day. Adam,
thanks so much. Happy Thanksgiving, Adam Kaplan, Sports Grid Inside
the Birds podcast at Kaplan NFL on X joins me
(31:20):
and Carrie Rhoades every Sunday on end Zone Radio on
Fox Sports Radio. Hey, it's Stan Byer here. Sesame Street
helped to raise all of us. Now it's our turn.
Donate this holiday season at Sesame dot org because the
world needs Sesame and Sesame needs you. Aaron Torres running
shotgun on this Friends Giving in for Doug Gottlieb on
The Doug Gottlieb Show. Moncey Milanios, box of wine and
(31:43):
so much more at the news desk, giving us the
latest of what's happening. What's going on, Monty.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
Foxwine, No, I would bring I'm bringing real wine up
the box wine guys, come on, come on now, I.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
Can't you finished all the box wine in the carpet.
Don't stop.
Speaker 12 (31:57):
We're not gonna We're not gonna tell that to the listeners.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
I can't not hear Adam Kaplan calling Brian Schottenheimer shoddy
like I think shorty like shoddy.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
You know. He said. It took me a second at
first time, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 11 (32:12):
Yeah, no, no, I just gonna be like shorty, Yeah,
good guy, shorty, because you know I get called that
a lot. But guys, Thanksgiving, friends giving you, That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Yes, like that right.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
He was about to.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Sing an R and B song, about to break it
down with your short age nothing alright, Ah.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
But that's what I've met, That's what I met.
Speaker 12 (32:33):
The first of three magups today in the NFL still
going in Detroit. You have Jared Goff out there blocking
for Jamison Williams. Now the Lions are losing by ten
to the Packers. It's thirty one to twenty one, still
early in the fourth quarter, but Jordan Love has own
four touchdown passes, two of them came on fourth down.
He is sixteen of twenty six for two hundred and
ten yards, while Jared Goff is fourteen of seventeen for
(32:56):
one hundred and seventy four yards and two touchdowns. The
Lions currently have the ball and they are driving there
at Green Bay's twenty eight yard line. Other games that
are coming up Chiefs and Cowboys that's at four thirty
Eastern time, and the Bengals and the Ravens that's at
a twenty Eastern time. And yes, Joe Burrow is expected
to start for Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (33:11):
Colts.
Speaker 11 (33:12):
Quarterback Daniel Jones apparently suffered a fracture in his fibula.
The NFL network is reporting that he was a full
participant in practice and that he's going to attempt to
play through it for Week thirteen against the Texans. There
is a video on social media of him not looking
that good. I don't know exactly if it's just like
a bad video for a moment, but it looked like
he was not moving the way you would want your
(33:33):
quarterback to move. Okay Giants sid quarterback Jackson dar has
cleared concussion protocol, putting him in line to play Monday
Night football against the Patriots. When it comes to college football,
multiple reports Missouri has agreed to a six year contract
with coach Eli Drinkwitz. It includes an average annual salary
of ten point seventy five million and expanded resources for
his staff through the twenty thirty one season. In the NBA,
(33:56):
Warriors anticipate that stuff. Curry is going to miss about
a week or so. He's suffered a quo contusion last
night against the Houston Rockets, and in golf, two time
Major champion Fuzzy Zeller has passed away at the age
of seventy four.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Back to you guys, thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
MONTI lines right now, facing a fourth and three down
ten with eleven minutes to go at the Green Bay
twenty one yard line.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Jamison Williams drops the football.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Aaron, this puts them if they would have kicked the
field goal in this situation, it's a seven point game,
there's under eleven minutes to go. I understand the whole
go for it, go for it deal, golf, throw it
behind Jamison Williams and they don't convert. But now Green
Bay can run the ball, work the clock, and it's
still a two score game. Like that's just I understand,
(34:41):
like having conviction and what you do, but there's also
times that you have to save yourself from yourself, and
I think the Lions have missed a huge opportunity to
at least make it a one score game. And if
you want to get you know, if you want to
put your chest out on the next possession, score a
touchdown and goal for two, take the lead that way,
this was not the not the place to do it
(35:02):
for Detroit in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
So I'll be quick here, But I don't know if
you've ever heard the audio of JJ Reddick yelling at
me on his podcast before he became the Lakers head coach.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I'm sure i've at least in passing told you the story.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
But the the the the line that he used, and
it was about two versus threes whatever about me.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
He said, it's a math equation, f head, And he
didn't use fhead. He extended it out.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
It's Thanksgiving, we keep it clean.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, well, Dan Campbell, it's a math equation. F head
kicked the field goal, and I agree with the hundred
percent is that. I understand aggression is your ethos all
of that, but it really is a math equation. You know,
nothing's guaranteed, but you know it's right around what what
would you know, what would.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Be a chip shot field goal? You kick it there.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
It is a one score game obviously, you know Dan
Campbell chose otherwise. And uh, like I said, I'm all
for being aggressive, but it's a equation kick the field
goal to make it a one score game.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's erin to as I'm Dan Byer on this friends
Giving here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, we've
got our Tirac Play of the day. Plus we get
the crew and family together to play a game, as
we only do on this friends Giving. He's erin Torres.
I'm Dan Byer on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific. It's
the Buyer and Torres Friendsgiving on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I'm Dan Byer. He is eron Torres. Welcome in.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Everyone is welcome on this friends Giving. A Thanksgiving. Find
Aaron at Aaron Underscore Tours. You can find me at
dan Byer on Fox Time Now for our Tirac Play
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(36:56):
Now time for the Tyrac Player of the Day.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
And here's the snap look looks downfield, loffs it left
side going for Wix over the shoulder, catches made.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Is it a touchdown?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
A tumbling grab in the left side of the end
zone A touchdown or not?
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Yes, it's a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
One of four touchdown passes for Jordan Love on the day,
two of them to Dontavian Wicks on WR and W
and the Packers Radio Network. They continue to lead Detroit
thirty one twenty one. Now with under nine minutes to
go in Motown. There's a game in Detroit, and there's
a game right now on this Frank's Giving. Let's the
Friends Giving. Let's play it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Frank'sgiving is in June when all these Franks just get
together and they have hot dogs.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
That's what it is. Months. That's right, Monty.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Batter of Frank Reigno coming out of returnment.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, it is good, good call. That would have been
much better, Yes, much better off.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
They both worked.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
They both worked, all right, Yes, Monsie, what do you
got for the game today?
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Well, we are playing.
Speaker 11 (38:04):
I feel a draft, that's right, guys, We're gonna be
drafting probably just one time around, based on the time,
our favorite sports day on the calendar. You know how
there's certain days throughout the year that like pertain to
a particular sportday.
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (38:17):
Yeah, it's a holiday. It doesn't have to put You
get what I'm saying. So we're gonna draft in disorder.
It'll go Ian, then Me, then Ryan, then Aaron, and
we'll end with you Dan Ian kick us off.
Speaker 8 (38:29):
Okay, yeah, I mean I I'm going with to me.
This is the clear number one choice is Christmas because
that's the day that you get awesome NBA games and
awesome NFL games. Now because the NFL is starting to
slowly take over, not even slowly takeover for themselves, but yeah,
Christmas is always great games. And those are two of
my favorite sports. So easy pick for me.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
That is an easy one, Ryan, what you got?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
I was thinking, thinking, thinking, but I want to go
with the fourth of July.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Nice, all right, Okay, Okay, Merca little baseballs, sitting in
a little baseball.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
There's Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
There's also you know, could be soccer World Cup at times.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
At times, yes, so I kind of want to piggyback.
Speaker 6 (39:09):
I'm next.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
I'm gonna piggyback a little bit on Ryan. And it's
not that it's a holiday, but it's a day in
sports to meet. Because you said fourth of July, I
actually prefer Opening Day for baseball. Like the grasses are
the best that they're gonna look, all the flags are out,
everyone's excited. It's the time of year where the sun
is out, and so it's like a holiday for me. Yeah,
Opening day of baseball. I love that day.
Speaker 5 (39:32):
My favorite thing about Opening Day is like when a
bad team in bad weather, like the Colorado Rocket or something,
they'll sell like completely sell out, and then the next
day they play a day game and there's like twelve
thousand people in a forty five thousand seats stadium.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Well, also Bajor League Baseball, they'll have opening day, and
then they'll have a day off.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
The I say, right, yes, that's annoying.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
But part of the reason too is if there's bad weather.
There's so much value in the Monti's point about opening
Day that you then try to play it the next day,
so people who have tickets for that day, because otherwise,
if you had tickets for the next day, then you're
kind of like, well, we just overpaid for Opening Day, right,
So that allows you to at least get that premium.
Speaker 11 (40:11):
Sure, yes, exactly, all right, add on your next all.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Right, so I'm gonna throw a little bit of a curveball.
I will go college basketball. No, I will say the
Friday of Championship week is my favorite day of the year.
It's when all the tournaments are going on, all the
bad teams have eliminated, all the good teams are playing
each other. I've said for years that that week is
(40:35):
actually bet more favorite. I like it more than the
opening week of the NCAA tournament. I know, I gotta
be quick, that's my answer.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
That's all right.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I'm gonna just wrap it up and say this because
it's not happening much anymore. But there was nothing like
New Year's Day and college football. There's nothing with all
the bowl games, and now we're getting less and least,
but there are still some playoff games that are taking
place on New Year's Day. But there was nothing like
that feel of sitting back and watching the Patch and
Tree of college football game.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
This is game time on The Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
It's not game for the Lions, as Jamis and Williams
are just taking the football into Green Bay territory. So
the Lions down ten will have it first and ten
at the twenty five. He's Aaron, I'm Dan. It's Friends
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