September 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug explains why he thinks Bill Belichick will be fine and encourages people to give him some time to figure things out at UNC. Doug weighs in on the Alabama football situation. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk Micah Parsons, Belichick and all of the other headlines around football. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Dough through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Doug Gottlieb Show. And today's a day where I'm glad
I'm the only individual head coach to have a national
radio show, so I can spreak and see to all
of you and C and Green Bay is gonna have
a good team this year, definitely. The Packers are definitely,
and I think the Phoenix is gonna have a pretty
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good team this year. Let's get after It's a great
weekend of football. Long weekend of football started Thursday, extended
through yesterday, culminating last night in Bill Belichick coaching his
first college game as AAD coach against TCU. Don't hate
that you. North Carolina opened at home against a quality opponent,
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but this is like a scheduling one oh one, The
hardest thing to do in college athletics is scheduling. And
when people say it's hard, it's difficult. From a myriad
of places you have to make money and depending upon
the level that you're playing at, like North Carolina is
not playing games where they collect checks others, but you
got to make money by filling up your stadium. You
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got to pay money for some teams to come in
and take an l and then you have to challenge
yourself a little bit at a conference. But what happens
is there's an expression in coaching, and it's from Jerry Sloan.
Jerry Sloan was a legendary tough player with Chicago Bulls.
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He was most known for being the head coach of
the Utah Jazz that twice fell to Michael Jordan in
the NBA Finals. But the less the adage if you
will is if you listen to the fans, you'll become
one of them. Now, I don't know when that game
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was scheduled, okay, And in reality, they have a nice
little soft non conference schedule in TCU Charlotte, Richmond, Central
Florida of the Big twelve. Probably a little bit too difficult,
But you should not be playing two Power five schools
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and walking into TCU as a trap. It's a trap.
It just is. TCU has to do it because they
have to play SMU. Here's another ACC school they play
Applene Christian Is there is there. But once your first
game in college football, you're better off playing dead bodies
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or very slightly live bodies. To people who think Belichick
doesn't know what he's doing, I don't know. You got
twenty years. If you think they weren't well coached, well,
they marched down the field and scored on the first
drive and looked surgical with it. But what happens is
after you get after those scripted drives and you get
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to real playing. It's one about talent too, about execution,
and they had neither. So you have seventy new guys
against the staff that just a couple of years ago
played for a national championship, won a Big twelve championship,
like they actually have you on college experience, and I
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just think you have to go through it for a
year at that level to understand what you need at
that level in order to be successful. Like Michael Lombardi's
a friend, a personal friend of mine and a friend
of the show he's then a general manager. He wasn't
in college. He was, he's done college scouting, he's been
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a general manager. He knows football. This is not attack
on his knowledge of football, but specifically what it takes,
what it looks like, what you need in order to
succeed at your league's level or your level of football.
For North Carolina, it's that they're not right now at
the uber elite. They're at that notch below to compete
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with the TCU. What type of speed do you need?
What does it look like on a college field, in
a portal, in a high school field.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, by the way, they had thirty freshmen. You got
no chance to playing thirty freshmen that game. Seventy players
is way too many new players, and the ones they
have don't appear to have enough speed. But the adaption
is going to be the key, and my guess is
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because they adapted so well year after year, roster after roster,
change after change, where three four some were four to
three some. Remember early on when Brady was young, they
were just they wouldn't run the football for several of
those early years, they would just throw it out of
the backfield instead of running it. Then there were times
when they became a power running team and the Corey
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Dillon they really ran the football. Late in Brady's career,
they became a power running team. Takes them the pressure
off him. So yeah, it starts with the quarterback. Then
you gotta have speed, and you got to have offensive
line play. But you got to know what you're looking
at and recruiting and when you bring in a bunch
of pro guys to college. It's harder than it looks
because it's a different game than it looks like. My
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warning to you is this, and this is where college
football is in a good place. I don't think North
Carolina is a playoff team, nor did anybody think that
going into last night. I do think that Texas and
Alabama can be playoff teams, even if they didn't play
like it on Saturday. What the tournament has brought in
in college coaching is actual coaching, which is it's not
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what you start out like, it's what you end like.
Granted you gotta lose kind of three or less in
order to get it, Whereas previously it was just about
you got to be undefeated or close to undefeated. If
you want to stay you want to have a chance
at the BCS, or have a chance to play for
NASH Championship, have a chance to play in a special bowl.
That's not as important. You have to get progressively better,
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but you don't always get progressively better playing a super
hard game out of the shoot. Sometimes you need a
game just to get your legs under you, to build
confidence in what you're doing, confidence in the building. And
like guys look different in games than they didn't practice,
they just do. So take a snapshot of now with
Arch Banning. Take a snap shot of now with Alabama.
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Take a snap shout of now with North Carolina. Understand
Alabama's schedules ridiculous. Understand Texas it's gonna get ridiculous. Carolina
not as ridiculous. But then you have to check back
in periodically. Real coaching is continue to get better. I
was surprised by the fact it was a blowout. I
was in surprise they lost and it wasn't terribly close,
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because you know, it's just hard. It's hard to build
a new stack. Because what happens when you build a
new staff and you pay the coach ten million dollars,
you pay the rest of the staff probably close to
six seven million dollars as well. Is if you have
ten million in REV share and then five ten million otherwise.
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But again, some of that money get stopped up by
the coaching staff. It's really, really, really hard to do
business if the coaching staff is making a lot of
money if you don't have just crazy, crazy gobs of money.
And I don't think Carolina is there because Carolina is
also trying to be good at basketball and some other sports.
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So they're probably maybe they get thirteen million in the
REV share, probably sounds about right. Basketball got seven, they
get thirteen, Maybe they can add ten. But when you're
bringing in everything new that's more expensive, and the hit
rate it is still way lower than guys you actually
know and have. So my point is that while it's
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easy to kick Belichick now while he's down and go, oh,
I didn't have Tom Brady or whatever. Okay, just to
guess guy's gonna figure it out. Guys gonna figure it out. Yeah,
but we're on a Cincinnati We are in Cincinnati. Byer
did an nowt standing job filling in yesterday. How high
is the Ohio state high from Saturday?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You know, Doug.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Surprisingly enough, it's not as high as maybe you would
think with that opening win, it's a game that you
definitely don't want to lose. But I don't know if
Buckeye fans are leaving one hundred percent thrilled with the offense.
And that's not meant to be an indictment on Julian Sayan,
who I thought played great. The running game may not
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be as dynamic as last season, but again, you're going
up against the top defense in Texas. So it's a
little bit, Doug honestly, of hold your horses. And you
said something in the just a few minutes ago about
the whole process of being a coach. It's where you
are at the end of the season and not at
the beginning of the season. And I think Ohio State
is a good example, specifically with their Oregon matchup last
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year and losing that game at Eugene and Oregon rushing
the field and then having almost well it's not the reverse,
but Ohio State taking it to Oregon and the Rose
Bowl in the game that ultimately really did matter. So
you take it with a grain of salt. Ultimately, is
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, there's no preseason. A lot of these games
that teams didn't have spring. They got a ton of
new players. It's really early and I thought o'hig sleet
looked great. They also have a former NFL coach as
their defensive coordinator who I thought can really confuse Texas,
and Texas won in Ohio State won the Battle up Front,
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just like Florida State won the Battle up Front with Alabama.
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and subscribe. Alabama wasn't great. Thought they were gonna come
back and win the game against Florida State. Flora State
changed quarterbacks from last year, brought in a kid who
beat them at at Boston College. They won two games,
and Floria State ends up getting a win. But again,
my issue is with scheduling. You know, they have Wisconsin
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at home in a couple weeks, and if you look
throughout most not all, most of Nick Saban's career, when
playing eight conference games, they played one Power five non
conference game and almost never went on the road, true
road game. All you gotta do is go back and look.
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So I have no idea when this game was scheduled.
I don't maybe uh, maybe Sam, you could look it up. Okay,
but they play at Florida State, Louisiana, Monroe, Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Then after week off they played Georgia on the road
in Athens, Vanderbilt at home at Missouri Tennessee, at home
at South Carolina, LSU, Illinois, Eastern Illinois, than at Auburn.
And I know how fans think. Fans like, oh, you
gotta go play to Bay play Tobodio. What hey by Yeah, buddy, dude,
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you have no idea what you have? Most of these
teams have no spring game. You got all new players,
and you're going to open the road open on the
road at Florida State. Like that's just dumb. I know
I did dub scheduling. Right, I've done dumb scheduling. I'm
trying to fix it for years to come. Nick Sabans
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last year opened up at Middle Tennessee State played Texas
at home because they played a home and home in
Texas at South Florida. Right, that's the only road game
they're playing at South Florida, Like, we ain't playing a
game we can lose on the road. And then Chattanooga,
you know, pick a year, pick at Nick Sabing year
and if they played a season opener and that only
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happened a couple of times, it would be a neutral site,
like when it was Louisville twenty eighteen open neutral site.
Louisville beat the pants off Louisville. Right. Then they played
Arkansas State at Old. The other non conference games Louisiana
which is really Louisiana, Lafayette, and the Citadel. I understand
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what fans say, you gotta play somebody. They lost to
Florida State on the road in the first week of
the season. Okay, okay, yeah, Florida State was a disaster
last year. Year before they undefeated, So my guess is
they threw a ton of money at the problem to
try and fix it and look pretty good. But that
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was a scheduling loss. That's a mistake. That was somebody,
somebody's ego. I don't think it was Saban, but could
have been Saban or could no one's schedules that way,
you won't play Florida State, great, play them in a
neutral site, yes.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Dampier, Doug.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was Halloween of twenty nineteen when we found out
Florida State and Alabama would be playing a home and
home series that started in twenty twenty five. The return
trip for the Knowles to travel to Tuscaloosa will be
next season, but Doug, it won't be the first weekend
of the year. It'll be September nineteenth of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Six, Right, that's smart. And then the Wisconsin game was
do we know that was probably scheduled years and years
in the past as well, This scheduling disaster. And look,
you can sit there and go like, well, no, dude,
is scheduling disaster. They all do it, and they do
it because they're smart. Opening the year it sounds great
like we're doing it this year like dummies. Like my
brother's like, what are you doing? Why are you opening
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at Kansas. It's literally a one and one hundred thousand
chance of winning that game. Now, look, us in Kansas
is different than Alabama and Florida State. I understand, okay.
And when that game was scheduled, normally Alabama would have
a huge number of returners and some they did have
some returners, but it was that's before the portal, that's
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before nil, that's before everything. The whole sport has changed.
And you walk into now a schedule where they're if
we think every team in the SEC can beat them,
that's fair. That's eight games. Vanderbuilding at home is one
that you think, all right, we should be in pretty
good shape. Outside of that, can lose any one of
those games. And they lost to Vandy last year. Yeah,
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so then you got you got so that's eight, and
then you got Wisconsin and Florida State. It's too hard.
It's too hard. You have to build up confidence in
your crew, and every level is different, and some levels
like mine, like we have to make money, so we
had to play money games. But you gotta space them out.
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You got to give your kids a chance, otherwise you're
just gonna take l's and then you beat up their
confidence and then when they play a team at or
below their level, they're so beaten up, they're not there,
they don't even know what what they're looking at. So
my issue is like, wait, why are they playing Florida
State and Wisconsin the same year? Dumb.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'll give you something else interesting, Doug, that I thought
transpired in the Texas Ohio State game. Here's the reason
why I kind of thought that both teams were playing
it close to the vest was that a close loss
doesn't hurt them, doesn't kill them. And the only reason
I say that is because Boise State got so much
mileage last year from their close game against Oregon. And
(16:17):
I understand that Boise State in Texas and Ohio State,
we're not talking about the same schools here, but when
you're trying to build your resume to a committee, that
doesn't have to be flawless. If your Texas and you said,
we went to the shoe opening weekend Ohio State right now,
you know, top five school. We ended up playing to
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them within a touchdown or had opportunities to win, Like
it was just it almost felt like a little bit
during the game that neither team was like, we just
can't let this get out of hand, we can't lose
by fourteen points on the road because we just have
to kind of keep this. Not saying Texas wasn't playing
to win, but I just didn't see either team taking
tons of chances to try to do something drastic, and
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it kind of just popped up in my mind throughout
that Yeah, if you play a close game in week
one against the top three or top five team, it's
probably not going to kill you in the college football playoff.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
No, it doesn't. But but again, think of Alabama now,
and because it's kind of standalone weekend, it's a big game.
Florida State's trying to prove themselves all those things. It
just you know, you're your own one and and many
sports radio stations, many TV shows, and a lot of
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online people over the weekend, you know, because you worked
over the weekend, you worked yesterday. I'm sure you guys
talked about it, which is, oh, what do we do
with Kalen. Debor continues this huh ah, Like, dude, it's
one game into his second year. Saban got out for
a reason, right, Saban got out for a reason, got
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out for reason. Okay, let me also debunk something I've
heard well, you know you can bring next Dame bac Calyndi.
Boor has a seventy million dollar buyout his staff conservatively
ten more likely twenty million dollars in buyouts with their
deals the roster twenty five million dollars minimum. Okay, so
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we're at one hundred and fifteen mil right, just to
get a new staff. And you're like, wait, why did
you calculate how much the players cost? Because if you
get a new staff, you'll get a mostly new roster.
And to get a mostly new roster it costs way
more than keeping your own roster, and you'd get to
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do with freshman. Freshman aren't gonna win for you. So
you're talking, and so a new staff would be in
the twenty five to thirty million dollar range, and then
you probably got to pay the same for new roster.
So now you're looking like one hundred and sixty million dollars.
You don't have that, And all these people are like, oh,
Alabama has that, No they don't. That's one reason Saban left.
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They have a lot of money, they make a lot
of money. They do not have Texas money, they do
not have Georgia money. They do not have a and
m money. And even if they did, they're not gonna
spend one hundred and fifty million dollars to tell a
guy not the coach after he's coached. I don't know,
thirteen games thirteen games, So I just that that to
(19:25):
me feels like dumb, dumb talk. The we could just
bring back Saban. He walked away for a reason, and
you're starting to see the reason. The other thing is,
I don't know how many teams are gonna win double
digit games unless you have an outstanding year. It's hard.
That league is ridiculous. And then you schedule two Power
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five non cons. That's just dumb, just dumb. Okay, let's
bring in John min o'caff three an ounce the podcast.
Of course, he's on the Volume podcast network. You see
him sometimes and I heard you hear him weekly here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Would you have traded Michael Parsons?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Yes, I would have. I mean in the Cowboys situation obviously. Ideally,
you know, you go into the draft, whether you're drafting
one or whether you're drafted in the twenties, to find
guys like Mike Parsons and then extend them. But I
think in the Cowboys situation, they had their window when
he was on his rookie contract, didn't live up to it.
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They're paying the quarterback way too much money, and you know,
this was a pivot. Now you could argue, if you're
going to reset or to make this type pivot, the
move would have been to do it before the draft.
But I also hear that a lot of people are like, well,
Jerry got pleased, he could have got way more. No,
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the NFL is not the NBA, but in situations like this,
it does have an NBA feel to it because the
player no one's trading. The Packers wouldn't have made this
deal unless Michael Parsons signs. So even if someone else
was willing to trade more let's say two to one
to two and a player, well, if he didn't like
their contracting, like the Packers won more, that team's not gonna,
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you know, make the deal. So I think there were
a lot of variables here. I also think that Micah
Parsons is he's being cockadile, like he's Reggie White or whatever.
He's a really good player and he'll help the Packers,
but you know, definitely a risky move for everyone in bold.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay, if you're the Packers, would you made the movie?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yeah? Because one give up two to one. He is
a guy that could have back to back years of
fifteen to eighteen sacks, his ability to pressure the quarterback.
And I got Gudakins, you know, I watched his press
conference whatever that was Thursday or Friday. He's right, like,
you just don't get that many opportunities to get a
player like this, and literally they do not because they're
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always right. Even if they get bounced in the first round.
They're shills drafting twenty three or twenty four, and they've
taken some swings like this kid from Iowa that wasn't
even starter. It just didn't work out. Now, I think
the big picture question mark here is this is a
high end player that has a flaw that other guys
at his position just simply do not. Like you don't
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run at Max Crosby, you didn't run at Khalil Mackott,
like the game plan, you don't run away from Micup
because that's when he does his best work because he's
such a in the run game, because he's such a
good athlete, he can chase you down. You run at
him and I you know, I think that is the
question mark that some people in the NFL would say, Hey,
you know, you're giving Exit the amount of dollars, but
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like whether they gave him one hundred and twenty five
guaranteed or one hundred and thirty five guaranteed. Whatever given
the picks has zero impact on them this year. I
do think the locker room stuff, you know, I text
immediately a bunch of gms what they thought, and the
one thing that kept coming up is the Packers really
for thirty years, you know, we can nitpick Aaron all
we want. Their their culture internally has been pretty solid
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for a long long time, and they do it the
right way. The organization, the team, the roster, the coaches.
The Cowboys are a little like you know they It's
not like every time I went to the gym the
last couple of weeks, maybe because Miami was playing Notre
Dame they had the the U thirty on, but you
know how the U was just kind of like Jimmy
just kind of let him be, you know, Dennis Erickson
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just like do whatever you want. The Cowboys are a
little like that. I honestly going back to the nineties
and that is not really the way the Packers operate.
So now you bring in this guy who comes from
a different culture, who you know, got a little into himself.
That's not really the Packers operation really, especially with this
current team they have. So they're giving up a big
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time team leader in Kenny Clark for a guy that
can be I think a little bit of a wild card,
not like militious or anything, but it's there's a lot
of pressure on him now to dominate. And you're not
getting red, you white, but you are getting a very
natural elite edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
How much would you play him considering they play two
games in five days?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Well, do you think that he is the back thing
that he's playing this out so he just doesn't look
like a bad guy for the Cowboys situation? Or is
the back thing real?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't know. I mean, I know, I've talked to
one of the Packers doctors. He can talked about Micah specifically,
but he's like, we wouldn't play a guy, we wouldn't
clear a guy if he wasn't good enough.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know, well exactly, and you know you don't know
the guy you know, And for the most part, let's
face it, at the highest level of players, non quarterbacks,
guys like Michael Parsons, unless they have a catastrophic injury.
He's gonna make one hundred and eighty million dollars. He's
next for you. He's gonna see every penny, So you
don't risk you know, week one, game one us first.
(24:40):
You know, he's been there for a week for the
next couple of years, right, So to me, if he plays,
he's good to go. I think he'd have to be
pretty careful early on because also we've seen in just
in recent history, regardless of who you are, I mean,
the forty nine ers had about ten of them for
five straight years that that guy didn't this all year.
(25:01):
It's not quite ready for the season. So I think
you try to see like the forest before you see
the trees, right and understand like this is about Mica
being in greater role in November and December more than Okay,
it would suck to lose Week one, but this isn't
nineteen ninety eight college football. It doesn't ruin your season
like you got to, like you said, the short week.
(25:23):
The following week, Yeah, I think that you'd be very
careful with him this week. But it's hard because you're
playing the Lions, who he's view as you know, I mean,
they're like you're equals the team you're trying to beat
the team. You're trying to get what they have, the
division championship. That thing with football, it's like, you know,
the NBA, it's easy, Like I give them two weeks off.
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Like that's not really how football players, football coaches, football
staffs think.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Help me out here, Arch Banning, what did you think
going in before he ever played it down? What'd you think?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I remember a couple of years ago. And I'm not
just saying this to try to act like some genius,
but if you just I remember watching his New Orleans
like highlights in high school, and I've worked in college football.
I mean I watched this sport religiously. Have a pretty
good idea. When you just see a guy spinning it,
you go dam I mean, say what you want about Caleb,
you watch him spin it, you go the kick and
(26:23):
throw the rocks. I remember watching Arch in that green
uniform whatever high school he was in New Orleans thinking
it doesn't really have that great of an arm. But
neither did Taytan, right, so it's like, oh, maybe he's
a little ball like Peyton's, but then a generational quarterback prospects. Well.
When I think that, I think size and big time
arm spring. He's obviously a really good athlete, but he
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does not throw the ball that well. And when you
look at his uncles, Eli had a big time arms,
couldn't move, but he had a big arm. Peyton did
not have a big arm, but he was incredibly accurate,
and his fundamentals were elite. When you watch Arch, you know,
this isn't like they're throwing. This isn't bright Underwood. It's
something for refreshiman, Like he's been in the program now
for a minute, and his fundamentals were pretty crappy. Now
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playing an elite team with a bunch of NFL guys,
but just arm talent not great. It's not as good
as quinn yours that fast.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's fascinating. I mean again, I thought it was more
of the fundamentals breaking down than anything else.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
But we'll say maybe the fundamentals are better. His arm
looks a little more explosive, you know, because going back
to high school he could get You know, guys can change.
It's seventeen eighteen ninety. Maybe he's stronger now. But I
saw on arm that I didn't think, you know, for
goud get relative to the heights right when you say, hey,
there's never been a guy like Zion in dude, and
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then you watching the dude, got damn, this guy looks unique, right,
And that's what we hear about. You know, in basketball,
typically they may not be a good basketball player, but
like you can see the physical elements. You can see
them run and jump. That's that's all I was evaluating
arch On, not necessarily like did he at pools or
throw a pick? I didn't even care. I just wanted
to see the physical tools and the physical tools running
(28:06):
me a good athlete. But the arm is I think
we were expecting I don't know, Josh Allen or something.
It is not bad.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Uh. What do you think of Belichick and them getting
blown out last night?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Man as rough Knight?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think the biggest thing is I immediately text a
buddy who's like a GM in college football, and he's like,
you know, in fairness, when a coach and you know this,
like when a coach gets fired now, especially at a
program like UNC that had good players on the roster
before Bill even shows up, a bunch of guys are
going so his roster to turnover the talents, Like he
doesn't get to control that much of it. But like
(28:46):
the Freddie Kitchens things, how you know this in college football,
unlike the NFL, I can't steal coordinators right to make
them my coordinator. In college you can. We helped Ohio
State lost their defensive coordinator after winning the Natty. Depend
State couldn't Bill, they're gonna tail this money for football?
Would he want to go get a sweet coordinator? I
(29:07):
was listening to column this morning. He's like, well, Bill
kind of told you recently, like he doesn't go outside
the family. Well, it's not like Kitchens was even inside
the family. But gott he's he's very unafraid to be uncomfortable.
And part of college football is like, you know, this
guy's got Lincoln Riley's brother, this guy's got this guy's
like he's just saving forever. It's like Bill has no
(29:27):
chance at this level because the other thing in the
ACC is like Miami, Florida State and Clemson have some
cash and obviously they got guys that can recruit and
land NFL guys. Like those programs are real and they
have been for a while especially you know Clemson in
Florida State a couple of years ago. But that conference
is not Sometimes and I'm guilty of this too, It's
like, all right, conference sucks, Well maybe it doesn't. And if
(29:50):
your offensive coordinators Freddie Kitchens, uh, I don't know. Now
this the rock. This is the college football, not the NFL.
So like the guys on this team are the guys
on this teams? Week one? Didn't they have Maybe you
fell asleep. I wouldn't have blamed you, just they had
a little like happing out quitting them the last quarter.
Now you're down big. But it felt like these guys
(30:12):
did not want to play. That is not Belichick.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Uh No. But again, I I think I think there's
a lot to it. I think he there's a lot
of guys that hadn't played for him, hadn't played at
that level. It's a new team, and I yeah, I
also think you know Kitchens was there last year, right,
and so he's been around a lot, mostly mostly in
(30:37):
the pro game, only recently in the college game. I
just think it's one year and we can make a
big deal about coordinators. They didn't have good enough players.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Look, it looked like peak Alabama Saban Dynasty versus UC Davis.
I mean it was it wasn't even close. I mean
you left that game. You didn't need to be some
college GM to go. How many guys on UNC what
started for TCU. It's closer to zero than it is five?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, I would I would agree with that number
close to zero than be five. Hey, great stuff as always,
Thanks so much, John, appreciate joining us.
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Speaker 2 (32:02):
The game today is rank them? Alright, football is in
the air. We start out to Doug, rank your top
three teams in college football as Week one has now
come to a conclusion.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well, I'm gonna go with college football my number one
team in the country. I'm gonna go with LSU number one,
Ohio State two, and I'll go.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
With the.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'll go with Georgia three.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Okay, Georgia wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
The other two. Obviously, it's a reward for winning a game, right,
a big game. LSU's win at Clemson is winning the
weekend on the road, top ten team, but honestly it
look great, especially defensively. And then Georgia is more just
on my best guess, best.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Guess, and Ben's steak gets penalized because they played an
opponent in Nevada with the same color scheme, so it
just looked pretty boring in the in Happy Valley on Saturday.
All right, Doug, rank your favorite Mannings, your favorite Mannings
bunch to choose from.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, I'll still I'll go Arch three.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Archie three, Archie three, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, RCHI three, ELI two and the sheriff one.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I didn't know if Cooper would have gotten in there,
Cooper funny or even a Rick Manning reference, you know
from from the nineteen eighties in Major League Baseball, Danny Manning,
Danny Manning and the Miracles. Would you change it if
you realized Danny Manning was was involved in this?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yes, okay, yes you would replace Archie?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
All right, Danny Manning? Can it? Number three?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Doug, rank your top three Super Bowl contenders entering this
NFL season.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Packers at three, Eagles at two, Chiefs at.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
One, not believing in the drop off.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Revenge tour, and Green Bay is gonna have a good
team this year apparently apparently one of the top three.
President Trump, according to Doug Gottlieb, Trump.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
By the way, very much alive. This is where like
social media. I remember social media declaring Joe Biden dead,
then he's alive, and then all weekend it's like we
haven't seen him.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I saw Trump also take a little shot at the
Crimson Tide in announcing a space deal in Alabama today.
Tommy Tuberville was there, and Tumberville reminding everyone that Alabama
or that Auburn one and Alabama lost, So you have
that Doug rank your top three NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Tommy Tumberrill remind people that when he left Texas Tech,
he was he had players on an official visit was
at dinner and Irish exited and then went to what
Cincinnati is the Cincinnati that far? I want to say
to Cincinnati, he literally left left during dinner. Hey, whatever
happened to coach? I don't know. And then the next
(35:17):
day coaches trying on a new hat.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That Senator Tubberville to you, what is the what was
the rank your top three NFL MVP candidates Josh Allen
the winner last year.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean I'll do Herbert at three, Lamar at two,
I'll do uh Jalen Hurts at one. Okay, And I
know that you and I think part of it is
Jalen Hurts. I don't think he's a top three or
four quarterback, but he keeps winning and he does all
(35:52):
the little things. If they have a big year replacing
another coordinator, I think he'll get a lout of the acclaim.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I really like that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That's a that's a good selection because it's well thought out. Finally, Doug,
your top three moments of this past summer. I know
it's still summer, but it's.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Not Labor Day. Yeah, no more white pants. Sorry, sorry
Jay Stu.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Even top moment top moment of the summer was.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Top moment of the summer my daughter playing on stage
with Darius Rucker. I think that one's a.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Pretty good one for game time.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
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Speaker 1 (36:32):
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Doug Gottlieb Show. And today's a day where I'm glad
I'm the only individual head coach to have a national
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of you and C and Green Bay is gonna have
a good team this year, definitely. The Packers are definitely,
and I think the Phoenix is gonna have a pretty
(00:50):
good team this year. Let's get after It's a great
weekend of football. Long weekend of football started Thursday, extended
through yesterday, culminating last night in Bill Belichick coaching his
first college game as AAD coach against TCU. Don't hate
that you. North Carolina opened at home against a quality opponent,
(01:12):
but this is like a scheduling one oh one, The
hardest thing to do in college athletics is scheduling. And
when people say it's hard, it's difficult. From a myriad
of places you have to make money and depending upon
the level that you're playing at, like North Carolina is
not playing games where they collect checks others, but you
got to make money by filling up your stadium. You
(01:35):
got to pay money for some teams to come in
and take an l and then you have to challenge
yourself a little bit at a conference. But what happens
is there's an expression in coaching, and it's from Jerry Sloan.
Jerry Sloan was a legendary tough player with Chicago Bulls.
(01:55):
He was most known for being the head coach of
the Utah Jazz that twice fell to Michael Jordan in
the NBA Finals. But the less the adage if you
will is if you listen to the fans, you'll become
one of them. Now, I don't know when that game
(02:17):
was scheduled, okay, And in reality, they have a nice
little soft non conference schedule in TCU Charlotte, Richmond, Central
Florida of the Big twelve. Probably a little bit too difficult,
But you should not be playing two Power five schools
(02:37):
and walking into TCU as a trap. It's a trap.
It just is. TCU has to do it because they
have to play SMU. Here's another ACC school they play
Applene Christian Is there is there. But once your first
game in college football, you're better off playing dead bodies
(02:59):
or very slightly live bodies. To people who think Belichick
doesn't know what he's doing, I don't know. You got
twenty years. If you think they weren't well coached, well,
they marched down the field and scored on the first
drive and looked surgical with it. But what happens is
after you get after those scripted drives and you get
(03:19):
to real playing. It's one about talent too, about execution,
and they had neither. So you have seventy new guys
against the staff that just a couple of years ago
played for a national championship, won a Big twelve championship,
like they actually have you on college experience, and I
(03:41):
just think you have to go through it for a
year at that level to understand what you need at
that level in order to be successful. Like Michael Lombardi's
a friend, a personal friend of mine and a friend
of the show he's then a general manager. He wasn't
in college. He was, he's done college scouting, he's been
(04:02):
a general manager. He knows football. This is not attack
on his knowledge of football, but specifically what it takes,
what it looks like, what you need in order to
succeed at your league's level or your level of football.
For North Carolina, it's that they're not right now at
the uber elite. They're at that notch below to compete
(04:23):
with the TCU. What type of speed do you need?
What does it look like on a college field, in
a portal, in a high school field.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Yeah, by the way, they had thirty freshmen. You got
no chance to playing thirty freshmen that game. Seventy players
is way too many new players, and the ones they
have don't appear to have enough speed. But the adaption
is going to be the key, and my guess is
(04:51):
because they adapted so well year after year, roster after roster,
change after change, where three four some were four to
three some. Remember early on when Brady was young, they
were just they wouldn't run the football for several of
those early years, they would just throw it out of
the backfield instead of running it. Then there were times
when they became a power running team and the Corey
(05:11):
Dillon they really ran the football. Late in Brady's career,
they became a power running team. Takes them the pressure
off him. So yeah, it starts with the quarterback. Then
you gotta have speed, and you got to have offensive
line play. But you got to know what you're looking
at and recruiting and when you bring in a bunch
of pro guys to college. It's harder than it looks
because it's a different game than it looks like. My
(05:35):
warning to you is this, and this is where college
football is in a good place. I don't think North
Carolina is a playoff team, nor did anybody think that
going into last night. I do think that Texas and
Alabama can be playoff teams, even if they didn't play
like it on Saturday. What the tournament has brought in
in college coaching is actual coaching, which is it's not
(05:57):
what you start out like, it's what you end like.
Granted you gotta lose kind of three or less in
order to get it, Whereas previously it was just about
you got to be undefeated or close to undefeated. If
you want to stay you want to have a chance
at the BCS, or have a chance to play for
NASH Championship, have a chance to play in a special bowl.
That's not as important. You have to get progressively better,
(06:19):
but you don't always get progressively better playing a super
hard game out of the shoot. Sometimes you need a
game just to get your legs under you, to build
confidence in what you're doing, confidence in the building. And
like guys look different in games than they didn't practice,
they just do. So take a snapshot of now with
Arch Banning. Take a snap shot of now with Alabama.
(06:41):
Take a snap shout of now with North Carolina. Understand
Alabama's schedules ridiculous. Understand Texas it's gonna get ridiculous. Carolina
not as ridiculous. But then you have to check back
in periodically. Real coaching is continue to get better. I
was surprised by the fact it was a blowout. I
was in surprise they lost and it wasn't terribly close,
(07:02):
because you know, it's just hard. It's hard to build
a new stack. Because what happens when you build a
new staff and you pay the coach ten million dollars,
you pay the rest of the staff probably close to
six seven million dollars as well. Is if you have
ten million in REV share and then five ten million otherwise.
(07:24):
But again, some of that money get stopped up by
the coaching staff. It's really, really, really hard to do
business if the coaching staff is making a lot of
money if you don't have just crazy, crazy gobs of money.
And I don't think Carolina is there because Carolina is
also trying to be good at basketball and some other sports.
(07:45):
So they're probably maybe they get thirteen million in the
REV share, probably sounds about right. Basketball got seven, they
get thirteen, Maybe they can add ten. But when you're
bringing in everything new that's more expensive, and the hit
rate it is still way lower than guys you actually
know and have. So my point is that while it's
(08:07):
easy to kick Belichick now while he's down and go, oh,
I didn't have Tom Brady or whatever. Okay, just to
guess guy's gonna figure it out. Guys gonna figure it out. Yeah,
but we're on a Cincinnati We are in Cincinnati. Byer
did an nowt standing job filling in yesterday. How high
is the Ohio state high from Saturday?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
You know, Doug.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Surprisingly enough, it's not as high as maybe you would
think with that opening win, it's a game that you
definitely don't want to lose. But I don't know if
Buckeye fans are leaving one hundred percent thrilled with the offense.
And that's not meant to be an indictment on Julian Sayan,
who I thought played great. The running game may not
(08:51):
be as dynamic as last season, but again, you're going
up against the top defense in Texas. So it's a
little bit, Doug honestly, of hold your horses. And you
said something in the just a few minutes ago about
the whole process of being a coach. It's where you
are at the end of the season and not at
the beginning of the season. And I think Ohio State
is a good example, specifically with their Oregon matchup last
(09:14):
year and losing that game at Eugene and Oregon rushing
the field and then having almost well it's not the reverse,
but Ohio State taking it to Oregon and the Rose
Bowl in the game that ultimately really did matter. So
you take it with a grain of salt. Ultimately, is
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, yeah, there's no preseason. A lot of these games
that teams didn't have spring. They got a ton of
new players. It's really early and I thought o'hig sleet
looked great. They also have a former NFL coach as
their defensive coordinator who I thought can really confuse Texas,
and Texas won in Ohio State won the Battle up Front,
(09:49):
just like Florida State won the Battle up Front with Alabama.
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and subscribe. Alabama wasn't great. Thought they were gonna come
back and win the game against Florida State. Flora State
changed quarterbacks from last year, brought in a kid who
beat them at at Boston College. They won two games,
and Floria State ends up getting a win. But again,
my issue is with scheduling. You know, they have Wisconsin
(10:50):
at home in a couple weeks, and if you look
throughout most not all, most of Nick Saban's career, when
playing eight conference games, they played one Power five non
conference game and almost never went on the road, true
road game. All you gotta do is go back and look.
(11:16):
So I have no idea when this game was scheduled.
I don't maybe uh, maybe Sam, you could look it up. Okay,
but they play at Florida State, Louisiana, Monroe, Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Then after week off they played Georgia on the road
in Athens, Vanderbilt at home at Missouri Tennessee, at home
at South Carolina, LSU, Illinois, Eastern Illinois, than at Auburn.
And I know how fans think. Fans like, oh, you
gotta go play to Bay play Tobodio. What hey by Yeah, buddy, dude,
(12:02):
you have no idea what you have? Most of these
teams have no spring game. You got all new players,
and you're going to open the road open on the
road at Florida State. Like that's just dumb. I know
I did dub scheduling. Right, I've done dumb scheduling. I'm
trying to fix it for years to come. Nick Sabans
(12:24):
last year opened up at Middle Tennessee State played Texas
at home because they played a home and home in
Texas at South Florida. Right, that's the only road game
they're playing at South Florida, Like, we ain't playing a
game we can lose on the road. And then Chattanooga,
you know, pick a year, pick at Nick Sabing year
and if they played a season opener and that only
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happened a couple of times, it would be a neutral site,
like when it was Louisville twenty eighteen open neutral site.
Louisville beat the pants off Louisville. Right. Then they played
Arkansas State at Old. The other non conference games Louisiana
which is really Louisiana, Lafayette, and the Citadel. I understand
(13:09):
what fans say, you gotta play somebody. They lost to
Florida State on the road in the first week of
the season. Okay, okay, yeah, Florida State was a disaster
last year. Year before they undefeated, So my guess is
they threw a ton of money at the problem to
try and fix it and look pretty good. But that
(13:32):
was a scheduling loss. That's a mistake. That was somebody,
somebody's ego. I don't think it was Saban, but could
have been Saban or could no one's schedules that way,
you won't play Florida State, great, play them in a
neutral site, yes.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Dampier, Doug.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
It was Halloween of twenty nineteen when we found out
Florida State and Alabama would be playing a home and
home series that started in twenty twenty five. The return
trip for the Knowles to travel to Tuscaloosa will be
next season, but Doug, it won't be the first weekend
of the year. It'll be September nineteenth of twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Six, Right, that's smart. And then the Wisconsin game was
do we know that was probably scheduled years and years
in the past as well, This scheduling disaster. And look,
you can sit there and go like, well, no, dude,
is scheduling disaster. They all do it, and they do
it because they're smart. Opening the year it sounds great
like we're doing it this year like dummies. Like my
brother's like, what are you doing? Why are you opening
(14:32):
at Kansas. It's literally a one and one hundred thousand
chance of winning that game. Now, look, us in Kansas
is different than Alabama and Florida State. I understand, okay.
And when that game was scheduled, normally Alabama would have
a huge number of returners and some they did have
some returners, but it was that's before the portal, that's
(14:52):
before nil, that's before everything. The whole sport has changed.
And you walk into now a schedule where they're if
we think every team in the SEC can beat them,
that's fair. That's eight games. Vanderbuilding at home is one
that you think, all right, we should be in pretty
good shape. Outside of that, can lose any one of
those games. And they lost to Vandy last year. Yeah,
(15:13):
so then you got you got so that's eight, and
then you got Wisconsin and Florida State. It's too hard.
It's too hard. You have to build up confidence in
your crew, and every level is different, and some levels
like mine, like we have to make money, so we
had to play money games. But you gotta space them out.
(15:34):
You got to give your kids a chance, otherwise you're
just gonna take l's and then you beat up their
confidence and then when they play a team at or
below their level, they're so beaten up, they're not there,
they don't even know what what they're looking at. So
my issue is like, wait, why are they playing Florida
State and Wisconsin the same year? Dumb.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'll give you something else interesting, Doug, that I thought
transpired in the Texas Ohio State game. Here's the reason
why I kind of thought that both teams were playing
it close to the vest was that a close loss
doesn't hurt them, doesn't kill them. And the only reason
I say that is because Boise State got so much
mileage last year from their close game against Oregon. And
(16:17):
I understand that Boise State in Texas and Ohio State,
we're not talking about the same schools here, but when
you're trying to build your resume to a committee, that
doesn't have to be flawless. If your Texas and you said,
we went to the shoe opening weekend Ohio State right now,
you know, top five school. We ended up playing to
(16:37):
them within a touchdown or had opportunities to win, Like
it was just it almost felt like a little bit
during the game that neither team was like, we just
can't let this get out of hand, we can't lose
by fourteen points on the road because we just have
to kind of keep this. Not saying Texas wasn't playing
to win, but I just didn't see either team taking
tons of chances to try to do something drastic, and
(16:59):
it kind of just popped up in my mind throughout
that Yeah, if you play a close game in week
one against the top three or top five team, it's
probably not going to kill you in the college football playoff.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
No, it doesn't. But but again, think of Alabama now,
and because it's kind of standalone weekend, it's a big game.
Florida State's trying to prove themselves all those things. It
just you know, you're your own one and and many
sports radio stations, many TV shows, and a lot of
(17:32):
online people over the weekend, you know, because you worked
over the weekend, you worked yesterday. I'm sure you guys
talked about it, which is, oh, what do we do
with Kalen. Debor continues this huh ah, Like, dude, it's
one game into his second year. Saban got out for
a reason, right, Saban got out for a reason, got
(17:55):
out for reason. Okay, let me also debunk something I've
heard well, you know you can bring next Dame bac Calyndi.
Boor has a seventy million dollar buyout his staff conservatively
ten more likely twenty million dollars in buyouts with their
deals the roster twenty five million dollars minimum. Okay, so
(18:18):
we're at one hundred and fifteen mil right, just to
get a new staff. And you're like, wait, why did
you calculate how much the players cost? Because if you
get a new staff, you'll get a mostly new roster.
And to get a mostly new roster it costs way
more than keeping your own roster, and you'd get to
(18:39):
do with freshman. Freshman aren't gonna win for you. So
you're talking, and so a new staff would be in
the twenty five to thirty million dollar range, and then
you probably got to pay the same for new roster.
So now you're looking like one hundred and sixty million dollars.
You don't have that, And all these people are like, oh,
Alabama has that, No they don't. That's one reason Saban left.
(19:03):
They have a lot of money, they make a lot
of money. They do not have Texas money, they do
not have Georgia money. They do not have a and
m money. And even if they did, they're not gonna
spend one hundred and fifty million dollars to tell a
guy not the coach after he's coached. I don't know,
thirteen games thirteen games, So I just that that to
(19:25):
me feels like dumb, dumb talk. The we could just
bring back Saban. He walked away for a reason, and
you're starting to see the reason. The other thing is,
I don't know how many teams are gonna win double
digit games unless you have an outstanding year. It's hard.
That league is ridiculous. And then you schedule two Power
(19:46):
five non cons. That's just dumb, just dumb. Okay, let's
bring in John min o'caff three an ounce the podcast.
Of course, he's on the Volume podcast network. You see
him sometimes and I heard you hear him weekly here
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Would you have traded Michael Parsons?
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Yes, I would have. I mean in the Cowboys situation obviously. Ideally,
you know, you go into the draft, whether you're drafting
one or whether you're drafted in the twenties, to find
guys like Mike Parsons and then extend them. But I
think in the Cowboys situation, they had their window when
he was on his rookie contract, didn't live up to it.
(20:27):
They're paying the quarterback way too much money, and you know,
this was a pivot. Now you could argue, if you're
going to reset or to make this type pivot, the
move would have been to do it before the draft.
But I also hear that a lot of people are like, well,
Jerry got pleased, he could have got way more. No,
(20:47):
the NFL is not the NBA, but in situations like this,
it does have an NBA feel to it because the
player no one's trading. The Packers wouldn't have made this
deal unless Michael Parsons signs. So even if someone else
was willing to trade more let's say two to one
to two and a player, well, if he didn't like
their contracting, like the Packers won more, that team's not gonna,
(21:09):
you know, make the deal. So I think there were
a lot of variables here. I also think that Micah
Parsons is he's being cockadile, like he's Reggie White or whatever.
He's a really good player and he'll help the Packers,
but you know, definitely a risky move for everyone in bold.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Okay, if you're the Packers, would you made the movie?
Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yeah? Because one give up two to one. He is
a guy that could have back to back years of
fifteen to eighteen sacks, his ability to pressure the quarterback.
And I got Gudakins, you know, I watched his press
conference whatever that was Thursday or Friday. He's right, like,
you just don't get that many opportunities to get a
player like this, and literally they do not because they're
(21:51):
always right. Even if they get bounced in the first round.
They're shills drafting twenty three or twenty four, and they've
taken some swings like this kid from Iowa that wasn't
even starter. It just didn't work out. Now, I think
the big picture question mark here is this is a
high end player that has a flaw that other guys
at his position just simply do not. Like you don't
(22:12):
run at Max Crosby, you didn't run at Khalil Mackott,
like the game plan, you don't run away from Micup
because that's when he does his best work because he's
such a in the run game, because he's such a
good athlete, he can chase you down. You run at
him and I you know, I think that is the
question mark that some people in the NFL would say, Hey,
you know, you're giving Exit the amount of dollars, but
(22:32):
like whether they gave him one hundred and twenty five
guaranteed or one hundred and thirty five guaranteed. Whatever given
the picks has zero impact on them this year. I
do think the locker room stuff, you know, I text
immediately a bunch of gms what they thought, and the
one thing that kept coming up is the Packers really
for thirty years, you know, we can nitpick Aaron all
we want. Their their culture internally has been pretty solid
(22:56):
for a long long time, and they do it the
right way. The organization, the team, the roster, the coaches.
The Cowboys are a little like you know they It's
not like every time I went to the gym the
last couple of weeks, maybe because Miami was playing Notre
Dame they had the the U thirty on, but you
know how the U was just kind of like Jimmy
just kind of let him be, you know, Dennis Erickson
(23:17):
just like do whatever you want. The Cowboys are a
little like that. I honestly going back to the nineties
and that is not really the way the Packers operate.
So now you bring in this guy who comes from
a different culture, who you know, got a little into himself.
That's not really the Packers operation really, especially with this
current team they have. So they're giving up a big
(23:38):
time team leader in Kenny Clark for a guy that
can be I think a little bit of a wild card,
not like militious or anything, but it's there's a lot
of pressure on him now to dominate. And you're not
getting red, you white, but you are getting a very
natural elite edge rusher.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
How much would you play him considering they play two
games in five days?
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Well, do you think that he is the back thing
that he's playing this out so he just doesn't look
like a bad guy for the Cowboys situation? Or is
the back thing real?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I don't know. I mean, I know, I've talked to
one of the Packers doctors. He can talked about Micah specifically,
but he's like, we wouldn't play a guy, we wouldn't
clear a guy if he wasn't good enough.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
You know, well exactly, and you know you don't know
the guy you know, And for the most part, let's
face it, at the highest level of players, non quarterbacks,
guys like Michael Parsons, unless they have a catastrophic injury.
He's gonna make one hundred and eighty million dollars. He's
next for you. He's gonna see every penny, So you
don't risk you know, week one, game one us first.
(24:40):
You know, he's been there for a week for the
next couple of years, right, So to me, if he plays,
he's good to go. I think he'd have to be
pretty careful early on because also we've seen in just
in recent history, regardless of who you are, I mean,
the forty nine ers had about ten of them for
five straight years that that guy didn't this all year.
(25:01):
It's not quite ready for the season. So I think
you try to see like the forest before you see
the trees, right and understand like this is about Mica
being in greater role in November and December more than Okay,
it would suck to lose Week one, but this isn't
nineteen ninety eight college football. It doesn't ruin your season
like you got to, like you said, the short week.
(25:23):
The following week, Yeah, I think that you'd be very
careful with him this week. But it's hard because you're
playing the Lions, who he's view as you know, I mean,
they're like you're equals the team you're trying to beat
the team. You're trying to get what they have, the
division championship. That thing with football, it's like, you know,
the NBA, it's easy, Like I give them two weeks off.
(25:45):
Like that's not really how football players, football coaches, football
staffs think.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Help me out here, Arch Banning, what did you think
going in before he ever played it down? What'd you think?
Speaker 5 (26:01):
I remember a couple of years ago. And I'm not
just saying this to try to act like some genius,
but if you just I remember watching his New Orleans
like highlights in high school, and I've worked in college football.
I mean I watched this sport religiously. Have a pretty
good idea. When you just see a guy spinning it,
you go dam I mean, say what you want about Caleb,
you watch him spin it, you go the kick and
(26:23):
throw the rocks. I remember watching Arch in that green
uniform whatever high school he was in New Orleans thinking
it doesn't really have that great of an arm. But
neither did Taytan, right, so it's like, oh, maybe he's
a little ball like Peyton's, but then a generational quarterback prospects. Well.
When I think that, I think size and big time
arm spring. He's obviously a really good athlete, but he
(26:44):
does not throw the ball that well. And when you
look at his uncles, Eli had a big time arms,
couldn't move, but he had a big arm. Peyton did
not have a big arm, but he was incredibly accurate,
and his fundamentals were elite. When you watch Arch, you know,
this isn't like they're throwing. This isn't bright Underwood. It's
something for refreshiman, Like he's been in the program now
for a minute, and his fundamentals were pretty crappy. Now
(27:06):
playing an elite team with a bunch of NFL guys,
but just arm talent not great. It's not as good
as quinn yours that fast.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
That's fascinating. I mean again, I thought it was more
of the fundamentals breaking down than anything else.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
But we'll say maybe the fundamentals are better. His arm
looks a little more explosive, you know, because going back
to high school he could get You know, guys can change.
It's seventeen eighteen ninety. Maybe he's stronger now. But I
saw on arm that I didn't think, you know, for
goud get relative to the heights right when you say, hey,
there's never been a guy like Zion in dude, and
(27:43):
then you watching the dude, got damn, this guy looks unique, right,
And that's what we hear about. You know, in basketball,
typically they may not be a good basketball player, but
like you can see the physical elements. You can see
them run and jump. That's that's all I was evaluating
arch On, not necessarily like did he at pools or
throw a pick? I didn't even care. I just wanted
to see the physical tools and the physical tools running
(28:06):
me a good athlete. But the arm is I think
we were expecting I don't know, Josh Allen or something.
It is not bad.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Uh. What do you think of Belichick and them getting
blown out last night?
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Man as rough Knight?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think the biggest thing is I immediately text a
buddy who's like a GM in college football, and he's like,
you know, in fairness, when a coach and you know this,
like when a coach gets fired now, especially at a
program like UNC that had good players on the roster
before Bill even shows up, a bunch of guys are
going so his roster to turnover the talents, Like he
doesn't get to control that much of it. But like
(28:46):
the Freddie Kitchens things, how you know this in college football,
unlike the NFL, I can't steal coordinators right to make
them my coordinator. In college you can. We helped Ohio
State lost their defensive coordinator after winning the Natty. Depend
State couldn't Bill, they're gonna tail this money for football?
Would he want to go get a sweet coordinator? I
(29:07):
was listening to column this morning. He's like, well, Bill
kind of told you recently, like he doesn't go outside
the family. Well, it's not like Kitchens was even inside
the family. But gott he's he's very unafraid to be uncomfortable.
And part of college football is like, you know, this
guy's got Lincoln Riley's brother, this guy's got this guy's
like he's just saving forever. It's like Bill has no
(29:27):
chance at this level because the other thing in the
ACC is like Miami, Florida State and Clemson have some
cash and obviously they got guys that can recruit and
land NFL guys. Like those programs are real and they
have been for a while especially you know Clemson in
Florida State a couple of years ago. But that conference
is not Sometimes and I'm guilty of this too, It's
like, all right, conference sucks, Well maybe it doesn't. And if
(29:50):
your offensive coordinators Freddie Kitchens, uh, I don't know. Now
this the rock. This is the college football, not the NFL.
So like the guys on this team are the guys
on this teams? Week one? Didn't they have Maybe you
fell asleep. I wouldn't have blamed you, just they had
a little like happing out quitting them the last quarter.
Now you're down big. But it felt like these guys
(30:12):
did not want to play. That is not Belichick.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Uh No. But again, I I think I think there's
a lot to it. I think he there's a lot
of guys that hadn't played for him, hadn't played at
that level. It's a new team, and I yeah, I
also think you know Kitchens was there last year, right,
and so he's been around a lot, mostly mostly in
(30:37):
the pro game, only recently in the college game. I
just think it's one year and we can make a
big deal about coordinators. They didn't have good enough players.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Look, it looked like peak Alabama Saban Dynasty versus UC Davis.
I mean it was it wasn't even close. I mean
you left that game. You didn't need to be some
college GM to go. How many guys on UNC what
started for TCU. It's closer to zero than it is five?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, yeah, I would I would agree with that number
close to zero than be five. Hey, great stuff as always,
Thanks so much, John, appreciate joining us.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
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Speaker 4 (31:40):
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Speaker 2 (32:02):
The game today is rank them? Alright, football is in
the air. We start out to Doug, rank your top
three teams in college football as Week one has now
come to a conclusion.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well, I'm gonna go with college football my number one
team in the country. I'm gonna go with LSU number one,
Ohio State two, and I'll go.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
With the.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'll go with Georgia three.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Okay, Georgia wow, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
The other two. Obviously, it's a reward for winning a game, right,
a big game. LSU's win at Clemson is winning the
weekend on the road, top ten team, but honestly it
look great, especially defensively. And then Georgia is more just
on my best guess, best.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Guess, and Ben's steak gets penalized because they played an
opponent in Nevada with the same color scheme, so it
just looked pretty boring in the in Happy Valley on Saturday.
All right, Doug, rank your favorite Mannings, your favorite Mannings
bunch to choose from.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, I'll still I'll go Arch three.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Archie three, Archie three, all right.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, RCHI three, ELI two and the sheriff one.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
All right.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
I didn't know if Cooper would have gotten in there,
Cooper funny or even a Rick Manning reference, you know
from from the nineteen eighties in Major League Baseball, Danny Manning,
Danny Manning and the Miracles. Would you change it if
you realized Danny Manning was was involved in this?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yes, okay, yes you would replace Archie?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
All right, Danny Manning? Can it? Number three?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Doug, rank your top three Super Bowl contenders entering this
NFL season.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Packers at three, Eagles at two, Chiefs at.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
One, not believing in the drop off.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
Revenge tour, and Green Bay is gonna have a good
team this year apparently apparently one of the top three.
President Trump, according to Doug Gottlieb, Trump.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
By the way, very much alive. This is where like
social media. I remember social media declaring Joe Biden dead,
then he's alive, and then all weekend it's like we
haven't seen him.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I saw Trump also take a little shot at the
Crimson Tide in announcing a space deal in Alabama today.
Tommy Tuberville was there, and Tumberville reminding everyone that Alabama
or that Auburn one and Alabama lost, So you have
that Doug rank your top three NFL.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Tommy Tumberrill remind people that when he left Texas Tech,
he was he had players on an official visit was
at dinner and Irish exited and then went to what
Cincinnati is the Cincinnati that far? I want to say
to Cincinnati, he literally left left during dinner. Hey, whatever
happened to coach? I don't know. And then the next
(35:17):
day coaches trying on a new hat.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
That Senator Tubberville to you, what is the what was
the rank your top three NFL MVP candidates Josh Allen
the winner last year.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean I'll do Herbert at three, Lamar at two,
I'll do uh Jalen Hurts at one. Okay, And I
know that you and I think part of it is
Jalen Hurts. I don't think he's a top three or
four quarterback, but he keeps winning and he does all
(35:52):
the little things. If they have a big year replacing
another coordinator, I think he'll get a lout of the acclaim.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I really like that.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That's a that's a good selection because it's well thought out. Finally, Doug,
your top three moments of this past summer. I know
it's still summer, but it's.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Not Labor Day. Yeah, no more white pants. Sorry, sorry
Jay Stu.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Even top moment top moment of the summer was.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Top moment of the summer my daughter playing on stage
with Darius Rucker. I think that one's a.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Pretty good one for game time.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
What did you love from the weekend? What'd you hate
from the weekend? Plus Oregon and Oaklahm mistake going back
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