July 3, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug explains how he thinks DeAndre Ayton fits in with the Lakers and how the team has seemingly moved on from Lebron and his drama. Doug reacts to Paul George's take on Michael Jordan on TV. Doug welcomes FSR NBA Insider Mark Medina on to talk about Lakers, Mavs and all of the other headlines around the NBA. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of I Feel A Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
M Man, I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
In the uh, in the days that matchup in terms
of time of year, like you, like you can only
help for a perfect perfect day. I don't know where
you are, but you're in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Wow, what
a day. What an absolute chamber of commerce type of day.
(00:53):
And we're so happy to have you. And you heard
Bonci Bolanos. She's with us throughout the show. Of course,
we got our guy Dan Byer who's bounce around doing
all these other shows. He'll be hosting for me tomorrow.
I'll be hosting the Hurt. You got Jason Stewart and
you got Big Apple Iowa Sam on the show. Let's
(01:14):
just go with the biggest news of the day. Yeah,
it's sort of slow news time, but again, I think
this is really interesting, right the Lakers have signed DeAndre Ayton,
and I think it's pretty obvious what's taking place. You
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heard Brian Windhorst earlier today on ESPN saying, look, I
started with the never, and now it's Lebron James is
in an expiring contract. An expiring contract is something that's
very valuable to people in the trade market. And he's like,
I'm not gonna say never. Now is if it's ever
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gonna happen, Like this is the year, this is the window,
this is the time, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
The whole thing strikes me as super odd.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Obviously, some of my comments earlier in the week went
a little bit viral, and now you see what the
Lakers are doing in acquiring DeAndre Ayton. They need a
big guy. Deandreton is very good off pick and roll. Now,
I don't actually think he fits their needs other than
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the fact he is big. He can't score. He's not
a great rim protector. He's not a lob guy at
the rim. It doesn't mean he's not effective, but he
also has had his troubles defensively and in the playoffs,
and some attitude motivational things. But they're trying to find
the right fit. For Luka Doncik, Luka Doncik. And this
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is a little bit like why Cam Newton couldn't still
be in the NFL. This is a lot like why
Alan Iverson really really struggled when he went to the
the Denver Nuggets to play with Carmelo Anthony. You know,
when you're so used to being the guy for so long,
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when you're not, you don't know what to you.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Hear yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Right, and remember you go back the last couple of years,
and Lebron James really smart in that he would let
Austin Reeves and others like go and try and get
buckets in different times which he could he could rest.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
He seemed okay with that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He doesn't seem okay with this because in order to
make Luca successful, Luca's got to have the ball a
ton and he's got to determine everything. And the only
the only conclusion you can come to is that Lebron
was cool with other guys taking shots, with other guys
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making plays if it was based upon a plan that
he had, okayed. Now it's nobody goes to him and
asks him, and they're just doing things on their own, and.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
He's not okay. With it. He's not okay with it.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I just it's a fascinating thing to watch where if
you really wanted to play somewhere else and you really
want to win a championship, you did not have to
pick up your player option. And you can tell me
all you want about Wow, Lebron James should never play
for less money. Hey, you are what the market will bear.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
If you don't think Lebron James could have gotten fifty
three million dollars out in the old market, then the
league is telling you what I'm telling you, which is
he's not a top ten, top fifteen, top twenty player.
I'm not saying it. The league is, and frankly Lebron
and Rich Paul is and damn sure the LA Lakers are.
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And I think the thing about it that I can
and maybe you can understand, Okay, if you have been
through a long term relationship, you don't have to be married. Okay,
you can cohabitate with somebody. Some people have kids with
people that they don't marry. Maybe it's just a long
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term boyfriend girlfriend, and then.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And then there's ultimately a breakup. Right.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
This is my personal belief, and some of it comes
through time in therapy. Some some of it comes through
just having some perspective, stepping away, realizing what went right,
what went wrong. We hold There's little things that we
hold against even people we care about, people we love,
(06:04):
and the time we dismiss it and we're like, ah,
it's part of what makes them them. But then when
the relationship sours, it's like a combination of all of
those things have caused us to not have the same
feelings about each other. And all of those bad times
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seem to pop back into some people's memories and they're like, ah, again,
I'll give you the Lakers for Lebron. He's sitting there going,
hey man, I wont you a title? Hey man, I
set the all time scoring mark. Place is full. I'm
still getting buckets and winning games with a myriad of coaches.
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You know, we don't spend a ton of money on
a bunch of other stuff the way that even the
Clippers do. We don't have a brand new arena, we
don't have We have a nice practice facility, but it's
not like state of the art. It's not like you
guys go crazy for things. And you know, our teams
are competitive. When I've been healthy and I was the
one who turned Anthony Davis into a championship player. Was
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previously Anthony Davis always breaking down. You know, Lebron in
his mind, he's like, I'm Lebron James, I am the system.
When you're the Lakers, you sit there and go, well, okay,
you've gotten hurt five out of the seven years and
haven't finished the season. There was the time in which
you showed up drunk to a game with a goblet
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of wine sitting on the bench, and you kind of
embarrassed yourself and it was really awkward. Right, we've changed
out coaches because you tune them out. Remember the time
which we were going to go get tomar DeRozan. Yeah,
you were the one that said you wanted Russell Westbrook instead,
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and we had to overpay to get Russell Westbrook, and
that that relationship ended in terms of quality relationship, Like
two months in the season, you were done with him.
Remember the time which you made us draft Bronnie James
and then made us say all these nice things about
Bronnie James, And then we turned our G League team
into like an AAU team just made for Bronnie to
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take all the shots and make all the plays. Then
we played him on the big Club when there's no
reason he should have been playing on the big Club.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
In and of itself, like, ah, you let guys get
it's Lebron. But then when Lebron no longer wants to
participate because the team is no longer crafted with him
at the top of the org chart, now all those
other things come back into play, all those other little
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things that you hold against Lebron James, which you know
again people in the organization, I know a lot of
people that they were staunch defenders of Lebron and still
are on some level. As you have no idea. This
guy practices hard. This guy is precise with what he
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puts in his body. You know the guys who are
his guys. He leads and he gets him in the
gym and he works out, and you know, he really
is about the right things. He wants to study film,
he wants to know the answers to the questions before
they appear on the nightly game test. But now you
talk to those same people and they're like, dude, he
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only wants to work out by himself. You know, he
has this small circle that's getting smaller no one can
say anything bad about Bronnie, can't treat him like he's
a regular rookie in the NBA. He wants his guys.
You trade away Anthony Davis, and he freaks out his
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management team, constantly trying to control things. Feels headed for divorce.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It does, It does. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The important thing about being headed for divorce in a
basketball sense is this. It doesn't mean they won't put
a statue up front. They've done it with Shaq. And
if you remember how Shaq's career as a Laker ended,
it was not well. You know, he's yelling at Jerry
Buss while running down the court that he won a
new contract, and then they traded him. I mean, Shaq
went and played for the Celtics, which to me is
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sacrilege if you're a Laker, if you're a tried and
true Laker. But they acquiesced and Shaq still historic Laker.
Three championships. Put a statue out in front. It doesn't
mean there won't be a statue in lebron It doesn't
mean they won't hang his number up in the rafters.
Why wouldn't they. But yeah, there's going to be a
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period of like five years where it's not great between
Lebron and the Lakers after what happens in a divorce,
and that divorce may happen before the season starts, it
may have happen mid season, It may not happen d
after the season.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Right, But this is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
A fascinating end to a a relationship, which is it's
like anybody it's their third marriage, right, Lakers. We've had
a bunch of superstars come here before, two mixed results.
But once you get here, you want to become a Laker.
If you stay here for seven years. This will be
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his eighth season. JAYC, what's your read on the Lakers.
You're a lifelong Southern Californian and what's been taking place
here over the last month.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, no, I you know, I was a child of
the eighties and I grew up with Showtime. I was
an avid fan, and just being in the business, my
loyalty towards the Lakers over the years has kind of
waned a little bit, but I still obviously follow it
very closely, and I am very interested in how Lebron
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James has completely refused to connect with Laker fans. It's
a merely transactional relationship. You get me, Lebron James, I'm famous,
you'll be more relevant, you might win a ring, and
you can come and pay to see me. But I'm
not going to try to make any emotional connection with you.
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And he's brazen about it. Almost every decision that comes
out of Lebron's camp is about Lebron and his brand.
I don't I don't know if I've ever even heard
him once say that I love Laker fans or I
love playing in front of these passionate fans. It's like
he goes out of his way to not embrace it.
So like this week, this last decision, this most recent decision,
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is just confirms that feeling that this is all about
what Lebron wants as opposed to what's good for the
Lakers and their passionate fan base.
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Speaker 2 (13:19):
So playoff. P Paul George.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Is excited about NBC's coverage of the upcoming NBA season,
especially because well they've added.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The Goat as contributor.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Here's what he had to say about Michael Jordan and
what he thinks happens because of Jordan's appearances on TV.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I think that alone is gonna like bring traffic to
the NBA, like from here in MJ like I ain't
even got to watch the game. I canna go do it.
I gotta do and hear MJ talk about this.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I mean, that's what NBC's betting on. I don't know.
I will tell you this.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I watched the Stanley Cup Finals and there were several
moments where I was just sitting there going, uh, that's
Wayne Gretzky talking about hockey. That's Wayne Gretzky. And as
much as I you know, the Magic thing I think
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made us look negatively over super duper incredibly elite stars
and being on television, Magic was atrocious. He's just not
good on television. The magic thing doesn't work on TV.
We're all okay with that, right, And I can't explain
it because I've been around Magic Johnson, and being around
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Magic Johnson, he does have he has AURA.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Doesn't work on.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
TV, clearly doesn't Clearly doesn't work on social media either,
but in person it does. Jordan has aura, and he's
had aura on TV. I just I don't know what
it's like and how they're going to package him. He's
not gonna be sitting there at their desk like Charles
and Kenny. You know, it's probably gonna be voiceovers. It's
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probably going to be look backs more than anything. But
I would tell you that that the aura worked for
me with Wayne Gretzky. But Wayne was also super intrigued
by the game.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He's curious.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
He made interesting comments, whereas Magic frankly did not. Stug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh, let's get that music going,
because it's time to get folky. It's time to get
cold the funky. Col Mark Medina our Fox Sports Radio
NBA Insider joints us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. So
(15:56):
let me ask some Mark, where where are we really
with Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I think it's a lot of smoke and not any fire.
I think what ultimately happens is nothing happens. I don't
think there's much of a trade market for Lebron unless
he wants to negotiate a buy out. And I don't
think the Lakers are have the appetite to trade Lebron
because they'll want to get a lot more in return,
and they think, you know what, for whatever misgivings he
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has about things, he still produces at an all Star
caliber level. So we'll just ride with that. So nothing's
ever guaranteed with Lebron. It's unpredictable. But here's my prediction.
Nothing actually changes as it pertains to whether he plays
with the Lakers next season, whether he retires with the
Lakers after this season. But it'll be a lot of
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interesting stuff in between.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. DeAndre Ayton,
here's the thing, Like, the Lakers needed defense at the
rim right now.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They do need a roller.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But he's more of a catch and finish, you know,
in the short role and skilled role more than Luca.
But you know, a team that can't stop anybody gets
a guy who's not known for his defense at center.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
What does the league think of Deandrayton with the Lakers?
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well, I think what the league thinks about DeAndre Aiden
with the Lakers or two things. One, the Lakers took
the best center available because they already missed out on
a lot of other possibilities, whether it's Clint Capella, Brook Lopez,
al for Orford still might be a possibility, but he's
more of a backup given where he's at in his age.
And the other part is what version of DeAndre Aiden
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are the Lakers actually going to get. He was really
good in the twenty twenty one NBA Finals, so much that,
you know, one of his biggest fans, Michael Thompson, fellow Vehemians,
saying that he could be the next David Robinson that
did not play out at all because of his attitude,
his frustration with lack of touches. You mentioned his defense,
you know, comments he made to me where I at
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if he had anything to prove last year, you know,
in Portland because of all his injuries and in consistency,
And he said, I got nothing to prove in this league.
I'm a max player and I'll continue to be a
max player. So I think there's a lot of crossed
arms and kind of you know, show me kind of attitude.
But I think because where the Lakers are at, where
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they have Lebron, James Luka, doncch the pecking order is
pretty well established. It's the Lakers and that championship identity
and the center pressure that this could finally knock some
sense in DeAndre Aiden with turning his career around. I
know that that's one of the things that he's pledging
he will do. But actions speak louder than words. And
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the last thing, Doug all Ad is you hit it
on really well that he's not a great defender. He
might be a good rim protector when he applies himself,
but he's not known for making great defensive rotation. So
the Lakers are saying this is their number one off
season priority, shore up the center position, and this is
what you have. I think it shows that this is
going to be a fairly challenging season next season.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
All right, steg Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the Bucks buy out the waving Asssily, buy out
Damian Lillard, and then they go acquire Miles Turner.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Are they done?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
But I.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Like the move that they got with Myles Turner. He's
a great player with the Pacers, great defender. They did
overpay a little bit, the Pacers underpaid, but they still
have a lot of question marks on what the Bucks
can do because jonathant Tokumpo. He's not happy with the
fact that Damian Lillard was waived, even though he wasn't
going to be playing next season anyway with his achilles.
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They have a flawed roster because Giannis is still playing
at an all Star caliber level, but it isn't quite enough.
So I don't think that they are done. Miles Turner
is a good piece, but it's not the only piece.
The only problem is even if leaving brook allowing brook
Lope Haz to go the Clippers, they don't have a
lot of cap space. They essentially used those mechanisms with
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waving dam and allowing brook Lope has to go to
secure Miles Turner. So I don't think they're done. But
the moves I don't think are going to be significant
because they don't have the tools to make it significant.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, I'm looking around and I'm trying to figure out
what the Warriors.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Are going to do.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They have Jonathan Kaminga. Everybody thinks they could use that
as a trade asset has not been moved. What do
you think the Warriors ultimately do?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah, I think with Jonathan Kaminga, the longer this goes unresolved,
I could actually see him coming back with the idea that,
you know what, let's try to make another go around
before the trade deadline to trade him for assets. But
I think that the clear writing on the wall has
been that Johnathan Kmingo wants a bigger opportunity. The Warriors
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don't quite because of it is inconsistency with this both
his play in decision making that if they do wind
up having a reunion, it's going to be out of
the fact that there's no other options and it's out
of reluctance. So I know the Warriors are still active
with trying to see first if he can get an
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offer sheet and then negotiate that in assigning trade. But
I think it's very telling that there hasn't been too
much of a market for him, because I think a
lot of teams have the same question marks that the
Warriors do about him.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
What's the league's reaction to Mike Brown being the new
head coach of the Knicks not surprising.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
The feeling as of last week was that Mike Brown
was going to be the favored candidate and he was
going to be the guy that got hired. It was
just a matter of timing. I think after the draft.
You know, I think what's ironic here is it's almost
a linear move. Tom Thibodeau Mike Brown both established head coaches.
They've had success, they've had shortcomings. But I think that
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the thing that makes some people relatively optimistic about this
is that Mike Brown has evolved a little bit since
his time with Cleveland the first go round with the
Lakers here in LA, he's more offensively innovative. During his
time with Sacramento. He does believe in a lot of
intense practices, good film sessions, the Knicks like that, but
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he has guarded against kind of that burnout result that
happens when he's are sometimes cracking the whip too much.
After his time with Golden State, So I think that
he has found the sweet spot of honing in on
what makes him great, being detail oriented, having a lot
of great defensive schemes, but he's addressed them of his
weaknesses with improving his offensive play calling as well as
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just how he manages the day to day, with how
long practices and film sessions are.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I think that's actually a great point, right, Like,
he's had success, been in the finals with the Cavs,
been in the Eastern Conference finals. He clearly turned around
the Sacramento Kings success as an assistant coach, but it's
like he's not the same guy, right, you can you
can get better as a coach.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You're allowed to.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You can learn from you know all that a lot
of the coaches have gotten fired before they.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Won a championship, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, it's just really really interesting on this idea
that you are the exact same guy you were at
the end of Cleveland, or you are the exact same
guy you were in Sacramento when uh, you know, smart
people learn, and uh, you know, I I think you
couldn't hire anybody who hadn't had more playoff success than Tibbs.
And also Tibbs a little bit gruff, whereas Mike Brown's
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a guy who's extremely likable, and I think, you know,
they're the He's the opposite in that case of Tom Tibodeau.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah, it's a very good point. Now Here is the
thing that you do wonder how it plays out in
the long term, is that the Knicks, you know, their
messaging was that you know, they didn't have enough intense
practices enough. Well, Tibbs was down wing it back a
little bit because the mol against someone that he ran
guys in the ground and they weren't ready for the playoffs,
So like, which lane do you want? And I think
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in Mike's case, he's going to evolve with that and
knowing when's the right time to have these intense sessions,
most likely in training camp, and then when to dial
it back. So I don't think that there's ever going
to be any criticism about anything regarding how detail oriented
and prepared he is. But at the same time, Tibbs
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was very detail oriented and prepared. Players swear by him,
that do like him, that say that he always got
us ready for games or just a matter of us executing.
So Mike Brown has evolved as a coach, but I
do wonder will the same criticism be held against him
if they don't get the results that they want. And
with the Knicks, clearly the results are championship or bust
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or else they wanted. Fired Tom Dibbodeaux after the Knicks
got to Theastern Conference Finals for the first time in
twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's championship or bust, and last year was bust, right,
So which which is crazy? Because they got somewhere they
hadn't gotten in twenty five years. Trey Young. Is he
a member of the Hawks when the season begins next year?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
You know, I think so, uh, Doug. Every year, I
finally think that, you know what, this is the off
season that they make the decision they're going to cut
their losses. It's not working. But what we've seen right
now is the new Hawks for an office, really make
this uh you know, deliberate decision. Let's let's get some
good shooters, floor spacers around Trey Young to essentiate his
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positives with his scoring, playmaking and shield his weaknesses with defense. So,
you know, getting chrisofs Porzingi's huge move, they took advantage
because the Celts are trying to you know, address second
Apron concerns. Luke Kunar great shooters. So I think the Hawks,
you know, they're they're going to stick with Trey Young,
and you know, I want to put them as a
favorite in these but I think they do have an
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opportunity to make some headway because this isn't diminished Eastern
Conference next season. Tyree Falburn likely not going to play
because of his achilles with Indiana the Milwaukee Bucks. There's
a lot of fluidity with what happens with that roster.
The Celtics, Jason Tatum is not going to be there
next season because of his achilles injury, so they have
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an opportunity to at least I think, be a respectable
playoff team. And as because of what we've seen with
these moves, I think the message is clear that they're
building around Trey On, not building to replace them.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Steut Gottlief show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Mark Beadina. Last one, what about the Clippers?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Right? What about with the Clippers? What are they doing?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Yeah, I think they're kind of being pretty statis quo.
They took care of flow hanging for James Harden, came
back on a two year deal. I think they're trying
to negotiate a new extension for Norman Powell Chris Paul.
That might happen. As far as the reunion goes, I
think it would be a great fit. But it's not
the Chris Paul reunion that we saw when they first
got him that formed a Lop city more than a
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decade ago. It would be about, you know, being an
additional playmaker that can be a good veteran player in
the locker room. I think their roster's pretty much what
it is beyond some a few tweaks here and there,
and for veteran, for worse, Doug, that's basically what the
Clippers have done these last few years. They make a
lot of changes, but it's a lot of just rotation
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pieces around their core guys. I mean, you look at
James Harden's back, Kawhi Leonard's not going anywhere, Nickols, Patum
came back. You know, most of their identity is still
the same.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Mark, You're the best man.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Appreciate you joining us, have a happy Fourth July and
love having you on in this wild NBA off season.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Right back at you, Doug Jays, I'll say, happy fourth.
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Speaker 2 (28:45):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
That's right, Coach, we are gonna be drafting one picture
in our lifetime that we would want on the mound
to pitch the biggest game of the season, and we're
gonna draft snake order. Coach, You're gonna go first, then me,
Jason Sam with back to back picks, goes back to
Jason me and ends with you. Coach, So kick us off.
(29:11):
One picture in your lifetime that you want on the
mount to bitch the biggest game of your season.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
On coach, we want Pedro Martinez.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Pedro Martinez is a good one. That is a good one.
I had him on my list as well. All right, well,
I'm gonna take the easy fastball down the middle. Clayton
Kershaw is who I'm gonna take. Three times Cy Young
Award winner MVP three thousand strikeout member is an easy one,
(29:45):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It is, except for what was the big There was
one big playoff game. It wasn't the World Series. I
thought he was dominated in now. You could say the
same thing at times about Pedro Martinez once he got
to the later innings, but had more dominance in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I'll be here. What else? Who you got there? Who's next? Chase?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Yeah, Jason's up.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I'm going to promote next hour's guest with my third pick.
Nice game pitcher I ever witnessed Kurt Schilling Red Sox, Diamondbacks, Phillies.
People forgot that he pitched on the ninety three series
against the Blue Jays. Did very well, but Mitch Williams blew.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It for him. You blow it match, all right?
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Sam, You've got back to back pick, so don't mess
this up.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Make them good. I'm going to take a long time
Phillies pitcher Cole Hammil's three point four to three lifetime
e RA. He was an NLCS and World Series MVP
in two thousand and eight. Coal Hammils.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
Hm And with your other.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
I'm going to go into the very deep, uh pitching
room of the San Francisco Giants of the earlier two thousands,
the ots. I'm going to take Tim lincicom. Oh wow,
World series titles. You just threw a change up, right there.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
We thought you were definitely going one name, and you
threw the change up and with the other name. Interesting.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
There were a lot of good pictures on that that Giants.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Team one three one guy who dominated the postseason.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
It's true, that's true.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Yeah, that I had him written down too.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm gonna take him then, I'm gonna if you're just
gonna give him, to give you a chance right there to.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
Know, I'm done. I'm done my picks. I had Madison
Gardner there you go.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, there you go, Absolute and nad hit a couple
of home runs for you.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Mad bum.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
I like that one, all right, So I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Gonna pick is the starting picture correct?
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Yeah, that's how I interpreted. Yes, the starting picture correct? Right,
That's how I interpreted. I did not see this guy play,
but everything I've learned through my time at Dodger Stadium,
I Shandy Sandy Kofax, everything I've learned, everything I've ever
read about watched, even though you know the videos aren't
(32:12):
great because it was back in the day. But like,
if he wouldn't have gone injured when he did, who
knows what he could have done. And at that time,
you know, Tommy John was surgery was not even a
thing yet. But Sandy Kofax, just you gotta I gotta
take I'm gonna take him three time Signing Award winner
as well. But when he won, there was only one
winner and not one on each league, so he was
literally the best picture.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I mean, the hot take is after the whole thing
with the Kershaw it's it's a way to throw water
on it. But you can make the argument that Kershaw
is not even the best left hander and Dodger's history, you.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Can absolutely make that argument, absolutely, and I do think
that probably you give the edge to sand Deep because
of how he performed in the playoffs, because you know,
coach hit it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Why are you Why are you like you're acting like
that you're offending.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Somebody, because I hate that because it is true, and
it's just it's sucks.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's true Clayton Kershaw sucked in the postseason. Let's just
kind of be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
We used to call Clayton dug Why are you crapping
on her first panic.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Because she's like taking feeling bad about it. It's like
you could say, yeah, you could say it's okay, Yeah,
you have an opinion, it's a good one. Go with it,
lean in, do it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I mean MONSI just said, can't Clayton Kershaw sucked? I mean,
that's that's what she said.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
By the way, if Kofax would have gotten the surgery,
it wouldn't have been called Tommy John.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It would have been called Sandy Kokak Surgery.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, Tommy John was a Dodger at least twenty years later.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
And he founded that underwear company, right, Tommy John. Yes, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
What that That totally happened.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
There are some places where you can get the surgery
and the underwear the same outlet.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Wow, one stop shop stop surgery is in underwear.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Why not shop? All right?
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Coach, you do have the last pick here, make a go.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You know I'm not gonna do black Jack Morris. I'm
gonna do John Smoltz. And the one thing about Smoltzy
is obviously he became an elite closer. And yeah, the
Braves didn't win in nineteen ninety one, but in Game
seven he pitched a shutout and in the tenth inning,
(34:22):
Jean Larkin got the walk off based knock.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Right So.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Against Minnesota Twins, which by the way, was black Jack Morris,
I'm gonna go with John Smoltz. John Smoltz's answer.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Jean Larkin made it into the show. Jean Larkin Kin.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Jean Larkin made it him before Barry Larkin. Barry Larkin
played for the Red Spansea back when we were kids.
He was awesome. They also had a guy named Eric Davis.
Eric Davis used to kind of pump his hands and
load up on a swing. He was from Los Angeles,
and I have no idea you have to have such
quick hands to be able to drop your bat that
low and still get around a high fastball.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But he was awesome.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Stuff stuck.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, Stud Eccou baseball was cool man. Anyway, I had
that is game time.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
This is game time. I done the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Wance was at the game last night. She witnessed three thousand.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I did. It was great. Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Here's the thing with Kershaw, now, I've I've always been
a bit of a Kershaw defender from this perspective, right,
most of the times in which he struggled in the
postseason because he did have even he did have some
great postseason starts. I mean, again, like people diminish it's like,
you're not gonna be great in every postseas start, and
he's had a ton of them. But uh, specifically it's
(35:44):
like the Cardinals, he struggled. It was always late innings.
And you do wonder, like, what if he didn't lead
the league in innings pitched in the regular season, would
he have had better stuff?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Or would the Dodgers have gotten that deep in the
playoffs had he not.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Been as good in the regular season?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's a kind of m catch twenty two.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But I think that I think that the pick that
Jason made is a really good one because because Kurt
Shilling was known for being clutched and being great in
the regular season, and I think there's a lot of
people in baseball, like in one game, you may not
like Kurt Shilling, some people don't, but he was awesome
(36:24):
in the playoffs. I mean, he was kind of amazing, awesome, awesome,
awesome stuff. By the way, here's a here's a note
which I found last night when on our group text,
did you guys see this? How many wins did Clayton
Kershaw have coming into last night?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Two twelve?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I thought it was two sixteen.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Okay to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Kurt Schilling also has to sixteen. We'll talk to Kurt
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
M Man, I mean.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
In the uh, in the days that matchup in terms
of time of year, like you, like you can only
help for a perfect perfect day. I don't know where
you are, but you're in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Wow, what
a day. What an absolute chamber of commerce type of day.
(00:53):
And we're so happy to have you. And you heard
Bonci Bolanos. She's with us throughout the show. Of course,
we got our guy Dan Byer who's bounce around doing
all these other shows. He'll be hosting for me tomorrow.
I'll be hosting the Hurt. You got Jason Stewart and
you got Big Apple Iowa Sam on the show. Let's
(01:14):
just go with the biggest news of the day. Yeah,
it's sort of slow news time, but again, I think
this is really interesting, right the Lakers have signed DeAndre Ayton,
and I think it's pretty obvious what's taking place. You
(01:35):
heard Brian Windhorst earlier today on ESPN saying, look, I
started with the never, and now it's Lebron James is
in an expiring contract. An expiring contract is something that's
very valuable to people in the trade market. And he's like,
I'm not gonna say never. Now is if it's ever
(01:56):
gonna happen, Like this is the year, this is the window,
this is the time, and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
The whole thing strikes me as super odd.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Obviously, some of my comments earlier in the week went
a little bit viral, and now you see what the
Lakers are doing in acquiring DeAndre Ayton. They need a
big guy. Deandreton is very good off pick and roll. Now,
I don't actually think he fits their needs other than
(02:28):
the fact he is big. He can't score. He's not
a great rim protector. He's not a lob guy at
the rim. It doesn't mean he's not effective, but he
also has had his troubles defensively and in the playoffs,
and some attitude motivational things. But they're trying to find
the right fit. For Luka Doncik, Luka Doncik. And this
(02:53):
is a little bit like why Cam Newton couldn't still
be in the NFL. This is a lot like why
Alan Iverson really really struggled when he went to the
the Denver Nuggets to play with Carmelo Anthony. You know,
when you're so used to being the guy for so long,
(03:18):
when you're not, you don't know what to you.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Hear yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Right, and remember you go back the last couple of years,
and Lebron James really smart in that he would let
Austin Reeves and others like go and try and get
buckets in different times which he could he could rest.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
He seemed okay with that.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
He doesn't seem okay with this because in order to
make Luca successful, Luca's got to have the ball a
ton and he's got to determine everything. And the only
the only conclusion you can come to is that Lebron
was cool with other guys taking shots, with other guys
(04:04):
making plays if it was based upon a plan that
he had, okayed. Now it's nobody goes to him and
asks him, and they're just doing things on their own, and.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
He's not okay. With it. He's not okay with it.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I just it's a fascinating thing to watch where if
you really wanted to play somewhere else and you really
want to win a championship, you did not have to
pick up your player option. And you can tell me
all you want about Wow, Lebron James should never play
for less money. Hey, you are what the market will bear.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
If you don't think Lebron James could have gotten fifty
three million dollars out in the old market, then the
league is telling you what I'm telling you, which is
he's not a top ten, top fifteen, top twenty player.
I'm not saying it. The league is, and frankly Lebron
and Rich Paul is and damn sure the LA Lakers are.
(05:14):
And I think the thing about it that I can
and maybe you can understand, Okay, if you have been
through a long term relationship, you don't have to be married. Okay,
you can cohabitate with somebody. Some people have kids with
people that they don't marry. Maybe it's just a long
(05:34):
term boyfriend girlfriend, and then.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And then there's ultimately a breakup. Right.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
This is my personal belief, and some of it comes
through time in therapy. Some some of it comes through
just having some perspective, stepping away, realizing what went right,
what went wrong. We hold There's little things that we
hold against even people we care about, people we love,
(06:04):
and the time we dismiss it and we're like, ah,
it's part of what makes them them. But then when
the relationship sours, it's like a combination of all of
those things have caused us to not have the same
feelings about each other. And all of those bad times
(06:26):
seem to pop back into some people's memories and they're like, ah, again,
I'll give you the Lakers for Lebron. He's sitting there going,
hey man, I wont you a title? Hey man, I
set the all time scoring mark. Place is full. I'm
still getting buckets and winning games with a myriad of coaches.
(06:50):
You know, we don't spend a ton of money on
a bunch of other stuff the way that even the
Clippers do. We don't have a brand new arena, we
don't have We have a nice practice facility, but it's
not like state of the art. It's not like you
guys go crazy for things. And you know, our teams
are competitive. When I've been healthy and I was the
one who turned Anthony Davis into a championship player. Was
(07:10):
previously Anthony Davis always breaking down. You know, Lebron in
his mind, he's like, I'm Lebron James, I am the system.
When you're the Lakers, you sit there and go, well, okay,
you've gotten hurt five out of the seven years and
haven't finished the season. There was the time in which
you showed up drunk to a game with a goblet
(07:33):
of wine sitting on the bench, and you kind of
embarrassed yourself and it was really awkward. Right, we've changed
out coaches because you tune them out. Remember the time
which we were going to go get tomar DeRozan. Yeah,
you were the one that said you wanted Russell Westbrook instead,
(07:53):
and we had to overpay to get Russell Westbrook, and
that that relationship ended in terms of quality relationship, Like
two months in the season, you were done with him.
Remember the time which you made us draft Bronnie James
and then made us say all these nice things about
Bronnie James, And then we turned our G League team
into like an AAU team just made for Bronnie to
(08:16):
take all the shots and make all the plays. Then
we played him on the big Club when there's no
reason he should have been playing on the big Club.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
In and of itself, like, ah, you let guys get
it's Lebron. But then when Lebron no longer wants to
participate because the team is no longer crafted with him
at the top of the org chart, now all those
other things come back into play, all those other little
(08:46):
things that you hold against Lebron James, which you know
again people in the organization, I know a lot of
people that they were staunch defenders of Lebron and still
are on some level. As you have no idea. This
guy practices hard. This guy is precise with what he
(09:08):
puts in his body. You know the guys who are
his guys. He leads and he gets him in the
gym and he works out, and you know, he really
is about the right things. He wants to study film,
he wants to know the answers to the questions before
they appear on the nightly game test. But now you
talk to those same people and they're like, dude, he
(09:32):
only wants to work out by himself. You know, he
has this small circle that's getting smaller no one can
say anything bad about Bronnie, can't treat him like he's
a regular rookie in the NBA. He wants his guys.
You trade away Anthony Davis, and he freaks out his
(09:53):
management team, constantly trying to control things. Feels headed for divorce.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
It does, It does. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
The important thing about being headed for divorce in a
basketball sense is this. It doesn't mean they won't put
a statue up front. They've done it with Shaq. And
if you remember how Shaq's career as a Laker ended,
it was not well. You know, he's yelling at Jerry
Buss while running down the court that he won a
new contract, and then they traded him. I mean, Shaq
went and played for the Celtics, which to me is
(10:26):
sacrilege if you're a Laker, if you're a tried and
true Laker. But they acquiesced and Shaq still historic Laker.
Three championships. Put a statue out in front. It doesn't
mean there won't be a statue in lebron It doesn't
mean they won't hang his number up in the rafters.
Why wouldn't they. But yeah, there's going to be a
(10:49):
period of like five years where it's not great between
Lebron and the Lakers after what happens in a divorce,
and that divorce may happen before the season starts, it
may have happen mid season, It may not happen d
after the season.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Right, But this is.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
A fascinating end to a a relationship, which is it's
like anybody it's their third marriage, right, Lakers. We've had
a bunch of superstars come here before, two mixed results.
But once you get here, you want to become a Laker.
If you stay here for seven years. This will be
(11:28):
his eighth season. JAYC, what's your read on the Lakers.
You're a lifelong Southern Californian and what's been taking place
here over the last month.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, no, I you know, I was a child of
the eighties and I grew up with Showtime. I was
an avid fan, and just being in the business, my
loyalty towards the Lakers over the years has kind of
waned a little bit, but I still obviously follow it
very closely, and I am very interested in how Lebron
(12:02):
James has completely refused to connect with Laker fans. It's
a merely transactional relationship. You get me, Lebron James, I'm famous,
you'll be more relevant, you might win a ring, and
you can come and pay to see me. But I'm
not going to try to make any emotional connection with you.
(12:24):
And he's brazen about it. Almost every decision that comes
out of Lebron's camp is about Lebron and his brand.
I don't I don't know if I've ever even heard
him once say that I love Laker fans or I
love playing in front of these passionate fans. It's like
he goes out of his way to not embrace it.
So like this week, this last decision, this most recent decision,
(12:49):
is just confirms that feeling that this is all about
what Lebron wants as opposed to what's good for the
Lakers and their passionate fan base.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
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Speaker 1 (13:12):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, It's Fox Sports Radio, Fox
Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So playoff. P Paul George.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Is excited about NBC's coverage of the upcoming NBA season,
especially because well they've added.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The Goat as contributor.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Here's what he had to say about Michael Jordan and
what he thinks happens because of Jordan's appearances on TV.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
I think that alone is gonna like bring traffic to
the NBA, like from here in MJ like I ain't
even got to watch the game. I canna go do it.
I gotta do and hear MJ talk about this.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
I mean, that's what NBC's betting on. I don't know.
I will tell you this.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I watched the Stanley Cup Finals and there were several
moments where I was just sitting there going, uh, that's
Wayne Gretzky talking about hockey. That's Wayne Gretzky. And as
much as I you know, the Magic thing I think
(14:30):
made us look negatively over super duper incredibly elite stars
and being on television, Magic was atrocious. He's just not
good on television. The magic thing doesn't work on TV.
We're all okay with that, right, And I can't explain
it because I've been around Magic Johnson, and being around
(14:52):
Magic Johnson, he does have he has AURA.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Doesn't work on.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
TV, clearly doesn't Clearly doesn't work on social media either,
but in person it does. Jordan has aura, and he's
had aura on TV. I just I don't know what
it's like and how they're going to package him. He's
not gonna be sitting there at their desk like Charles
and Kenny. You know, it's probably gonna be voiceovers. It's
(15:18):
probably going to be look backs more than anything. But
I would tell you that that the aura worked for
me with Wayne Gretzky. But Wayne was also super intrigued
by the game.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
He's curious.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
He made interesting comments, whereas Magic frankly did not. Stug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Uh, let's get that music going,
because it's time to get folky. It's time to get
cold the funky. Col Mark Medina our Fox Sports Radio
NBA Insider joints us in the Doug Gottlieb Show. So
(15:56):
let me ask some Mark, where where are we really
with Lebron and the Lakers.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I think it's a lot of smoke and not any fire.
I think what ultimately happens is nothing happens. I don't
think there's much of a trade market for Lebron unless
he wants to negotiate a buy out. And I don't
think the Lakers are have the appetite to trade Lebron
because they'll want to get a lot more in return,
and they think, you know what, for whatever misgivings he
(16:23):
has about things, he still produces at an all Star
caliber level. So we'll just ride with that. So nothing's
ever guaranteed with Lebron. It's unpredictable. But here's my prediction.
Nothing actually changes as it pertains to whether he plays
with the Lakers next season, whether he retires with the
Lakers after this season. But it'll be a lot of
(16:44):
interesting stuff in between.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. DeAndre Ayton,
here's the thing, Like, the Lakers needed defense at the
rim right now.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They do need a roller.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But he's more of a catch and finish, you know,
in the short role and skilled role more than Luca.
But you know, a team that can't stop anybody gets
a guy who's not known for his defense at center.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
What does the league think of Deandrayton with the Lakers?
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well, I think what the league thinks about DeAndre Aiden
with the Lakers or two things. One, the Lakers took
the best center available because they already missed out on
a lot of other possibilities, whether it's Clint Capella, Brook Lopez,
al for Orford still might be a possibility, but he's
more of a backup given where he's at in his age.
And the other part is what version of DeAndre Aiden
(17:38):
are the Lakers actually going to get. He was really
good in the twenty twenty one NBA Finals, so much that,
you know, one of his biggest fans, Michael Thompson, fellow Vehemians,
saying that he could be the next David Robinson that
did not play out at all because of his attitude,
his frustration with lack of touches. You mentioned his defense,
you know, comments he made to me where I at
(18:00):
if he had anything to prove last year, you know,
in Portland because of all his injuries and in consistency,
And he said, I got nothing to prove in this league.
I'm a max player and I'll continue to be a
max player. So I think there's a lot of crossed
arms and kind of you know, show me kind of attitude.
But I think because where the Lakers are at, where
(18:20):
they have Lebron, James Luka, doncch the pecking order is
pretty well established. It's the Lakers and that championship identity
and the center pressure that this could finally knock some
sense in DeAndre Aiden with turning his career around. I
know that that's one of the things that he's pledging
he will do. But actions speak louder than words. And
(18:41):
the last thing, Doug all Ad is you hit it
on really well that he's not a great defender. He
might be a good rim protector when he applies himself,
but he's not known for making great defensive rotation. So
the Lakers are saying this is their number one off
season priority, shore up the center position, and this is
what you have. I think it shows that this is
going to be a fairly challenging season next season.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
All right, steg Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the Bucks buy out the waving Asssily, buy out
Damian Lillard, and then they go acquire Miles Turner.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Are they done?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
But I.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
Like the move that they got with Myles Turner. He's
a great player with the Pacers, great defender. They did
overpay a little bit, the Pacers underpaid, but they still
have a lot of question marks on what the Bucks
can do because jonathant Tokumpo. He's not happy with the
fact that Damian Lillard was waived, even though he wasn't
going to be playing next season anyway with his achilles.
(19:46):
They have a flawed roster because Giannis is still playing
at an all Star caliber level, but it isn't quite enough.
So I don't think that they are done. Miles Turner
is a good piece, but it's not the only piece.
The only problem is even if leaving brook allowing brook
Lope Haz to go the Clippers, they don't have a
lot of cap space. They essentially used those mechanisms with
(20:09):
waving dam and allowing brook Lope has to go to
secure Miles Turner. So I don't think they're done. But
the moves I don't think are going to be significant
because they don't have the tools to make it significant.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, I'm looking around and I'm trying to figure out
what the Warriors.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Are going to do.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
They have Jonathan Kaminga. Everybody thinks they could use that
as a trade asset has not been moved. What do
you think the Warriors ultimately do?
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Yeah, I think with Jonathan Kaminga, the longer this goes unresolved,
I could actually see him coming back with the idea that,
you know what, let's try to make another go around
before the trade deadline to trade him for assets. But
I think that the clear writing on the wall has
been that Johnathan Kmingo wants a bigger opportunity. The Warriors
(20:59):
don't quite because of it is inconsistency with this both
his play in decision making that if they do wind
up having a reunion, it's going to be out of
the fact that there's no other options and it's out
of reluctance. So I know the Warriors are still active
with trying to see first if he can get an
(21:19):
offer sheet and then negotiate that in assigning trade. But
I think it's very telling that there hasn't been too
much of a market for him, because I think a
lot of teams have the same question marks that the
Warriors do about him.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
What's the league's reaction to Mike Brown being the new
head coach of the Knicks not surprising.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
The feeling as of last week was that Mike Brown
was going to be the favored candidate and he was
going to be the guy that got hired. It was
just a matter of timing. I think after the draft.
You know, I think what's ironic here is it's almost
a linear move. Tom Thibodeau Mike Brown both established head coaches.
They've had success, they've had shortcomings. But I think that
(21:59):
the thing that makes some people relatively optimistic about this
is that Mike Brown has evolved a little bit since
his time with Cleveland the first go round with the
Lakers here in LA, he's more offensively innovative. During his
time with Sacramento. He does believe in a lot of
intense practices, good film sessions, the Knicks like that, but
(22:21):
he has guarded against kind of that burnout result that
happens when he's are sometimes cracking the whip too much.
After his time with Golden State, So I think that
he has found the sweet spot of honing in on
what makes him great, being detail oriented, having a lot
of great defensive schemes, but he's addressed them of his
weaknesses with improving his offensive play calling as well as
(22:44):
just how he manages the day to day, with how
long practices and film sessions are.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, I think that's actually a great point, right, Like,
he's had success, been in the finals with the Cavs,
been in the Eastern Conference finals. He clearly turned around
the Sacramento Kings success as an assistant coach, but it's
like he's not the same guy, right, you can you
can get better as a coach.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You're allowed to.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
You can learn from you know all that a lot
of the coaches have gotten fired before they.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Won a championship, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
I mean, it's just really really interesting on this idea
that you are the exact same guy you were at
the end of Cleveland, or you are the exact same
guy you were in Sacramento when uh, you know, smart
people learn, and uh, you know, I I think you
couldn't hire anybody who hadn't had more playoff success than Tibbs.
And also Tibbs a little bit gruff, whereas Mike Brown's
(23:37):
a guy who's extremely likable, and I think, you know,
they're the He's the opposite in that case of Tom Tibodeau.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Yeah, it's a very good point. Now Here is the
thing that you do wonder how it plays out in
the long term, is that the Knicks, you know, their
messaging was that you know, they didn't have enough intense
practices enough. Well, Tibbs was down wing it back a
little bit because the mol against someone that he ran
guys in the ground and they weren't ready for the playoffs,
So like, which lane do you want? And I think
(24:04):
in Mike's case, he's going to evolve with that and
knowing when's the right time to have these intense sessions,
most likely in training camp, and then when to dial
it back. So I don't think that there's ever going
to be any criticism about anything regarding how detail oriented
and prepared he is. But at the same time, Tibbs
(24:25):
was very detail oriented and prepared. Players swear by him,
that do like him, that say that he always got
us ready for games or just a matter of us executing.
So Mike Brown has evolved as a coach, but I
do wonder will the same criticism be held against him
if they don't get the results that they want. And
with the Knicks, clearly the results are championship or bust
(24:47):
or else they wanted. Fired Tom Dibbodeaux after the Knicks
got to Theastern Conference Finals for the first time in
twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's championship or bust, and last year was bust, right,
So which which is crazy? Because they got somewhere they
hadn't gotten in twenty five years. Trey Young. Is he
a member of the Hawks when the season begins next year?
Speaker 6 (25:10):
You know, I think so, uh, Doug. Every year, I
finally think that, you know what, this is the off
season that they make the decision they're going to cut
their losses. It's not working. But what we've seen right
now is the new Hawks for an office, really make
this uh you know, deliberate decision. Let's let's get some
good shooters, floor spacers around Trey Young to essentiate his
(25:32):
positives with his scoring, playmaking and shield his weaknesses with defense. So,
you know, getting chrisofs Porzingi's huge move, they took advantage
because the Celts are trying to you know, address second
Apron concerns. Luke Kunar great shooters. So I think the Hawks,
you know, they're they're going to stick with Trey Young,
and you know, I want to put them as a
favorite in these but I think they do have an
(25:54):
opportunity to make some headway because this isn't diminished Eastern
Conference next season. Tyree Falburn likely not going to play
because of his achilles with Indiana the Milwaukee Bucks. There's
a lot of fluidity with what happens with that roster.
The Celtics, Jason Tatum is not going to be there
next season because of his achilles injury, so they have
(26:16):
an opportunity to at least I think, be a respectable
playoff team. And as because of what we've seen with
these moves, I think the message is clear that they're
building around Trey On, not building to replace them.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Steut Gottlief show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Mark Beadina. Last one, what about the Clippers?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Right? What about with the Clippers? What are they doing?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Yeah, I think they're kind of being pretty statis quo.
They took care of flow hanging for James Harden, came
back on a two year deal. I think they're trying
to negotiate a new extension for Norman Powell Chris Paul.
That might happen. As far as the reunion goes, I
think it would be a great fit. But it's not
the Chris Paul reunion that we saw when they first
got him that formed a Lop city more than a
(27:03):
decade ago. It would be about, you know, being an
additional playmaker that can be a good veteran player in
the locker room. I think their roster's pretty much what
it is beyond some a few tweaks here and there,
and for veteran, for worse, Doug, that's basically what the
Clippers have done these last few years. They make a
lot of changes, but it's a lot of just rotation
(27:25):
pieces around their core guys. I mean, you look at
James Harden's back, Kawhi Leonard's not going anywhere, Nickols, Patum
came back. You know, most of their identity is still
the same.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Mark, You're the best man.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Appreciate you joining us, have a happy Fourth July and
love having you on in this wild NBA off season.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Right back at you, Doug Jays, I'll say, happy fourth.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Cut up with The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
If you could choose one picture when your most important game,
who would it be?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
We'll draft ours next.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
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Speaker 2 (28:04):
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Speaker 1 (28:06):
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of Blagnas.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Mon's what you got we are playing?
Speaker 7 (28:41):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 7 (28:47):
That's right, Coach, we are gonna be drafting one picture
in our lifetime that we would want on the mound
to pitch the biggest game of the season, and we're
gonna draft snake order. Coach, You're gonna go first, then me,
Jason Sam with back to back picks, goes back to
Jason me and ends with you. Coach, So kick us off.
(29:11):
One picture in your lifetime that you want on the
mount to bitch the biggest game of your season.
Speaker 8 (29:19):
On coach, we want Pedro Martinez.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Pedro Martinez is a good one. That is a good one.
I had him on my list as well. All right, well,
I'm gonna take the easy fastball down the middle. Clayton
Kershaw is who I'm gonna take. Three times Cy Young
Award winner MVP three thousand strikeout member is an easy one,
(29:45):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It is, except for what was the big There was
one big playoff game. It wasn't the World Series. I
thought he was dominated in now. You could say the
same thing at times about Pedro Martinez once he got
to the later innings, but had more dominance in the postseason.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I'll be here. What else? Who you got there? Who's next? Chase?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Yeah, Jason's up.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I'm going to promote next hour's guest with my third pick.
Nice game pitcher I ever witnessed Kurt Schilling Red Sox, Diamondbacks, Phillies.
People forgot that he pitched on the ninety three series
against the Blue Jays. Did very well, but Mitch Williams blew.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
It for him. You blow it match, all right?
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Sam, You've got back to back pick, so don't mess
this up.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
Make them good. I'm going to take a long time
Phillies pitcher Cole Hammil's three point four to three lifetime
e RA. He was an NLCS and World Series MVP
in two thousand and eight. Coal Hammils.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
Hm And with your other.
Speaker 8 (30:57):
I'm going to go into the very deep, uh pitching
room of the San Francisco Giants of the earlier two thousands,
the ots. I'm going to take Tim lincicom. Oh wow,
World series titles. You just threw a change up, right there.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
We thought you were definitely going one name, and you
threw the change up and with the other name. Interesting.
Speaker 8 (31:20):
There were a lot of good pictures on that that Giants.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Team one three one guy who dominated the postseason.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
It's true, that's true.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
Yeah, that I had him written down too.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I'm gonna take him then, I'm gonna if you're just
gonna give him, to give you a chance right there to.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
Know, I'm done. I'm done my picks. I had Madison
Gardner there you go.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, there you go, Absolute and nad hit a couple
of home runs for you.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Mad bum.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
I like that one, all right, So I'm.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Gonna pick is the starting picture correct?
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Yeah, that's how I interpreted. Yes, the starting picture correct? Right,
That's how I interpreted. I did not see this guy play,
but everything I've learned through my time at Dodger Stadium,
I Shandy Sandy Kofax, everything I've learned, everything I've ever
read about watched, even though you know the videos aren't
(32:12):
great because it was back in the day. But like,
if he wouldn't have gone injured when he did, who
knows what he could have done. And at that time,
you know, Tommy John was surgery was not even a
thing yet. But Sandy Kofax, just you gotta I gotta
take I'm gonna take him three time Signing Award winner
as well. But when he won, there was only one
winner and not one on each league, so he was
literally the best picture.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I mean, the hot take is after the whole thing
with the Kershaw it's it's a way to throw water
on it. But you can make the argument that Kershaw
is not even the best left hander and Dodger's history, you.
Speaker 7 (32:45):
Can absolutely make that argument, absolutely, and I do think
that probably you give the edge to sand Deep because
of how he performed in the playoffs, because you know,
coach hit it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Why are you Why are you like you're acting like
that you're offending.
Speaker 7 (32:59):
Somebody, because I hate that because it is true, and
it's just it's sucks.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
It's true Clayton Kershaw sucked in the postseason. Let's just
kind of be honest with you.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
We used to call Clayton dug Why are you crapping
on her first panic.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Because she's like taking feeling bad about it. It's like
you could say, yeah, you could say it's okay, Yeah,
you have an opinion, it's a good one. Go with it,
lean in, do it.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
I mean MONSI just said, can't Clayton Kershaw sucked? I mean,
that's that's what she said.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
By the way, if Kofax would have gotten the surgery,
it wouldn't have been called Tommy John.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
It would have been called Sandy Kokak Surgery.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, Tommy John was a Dodger at least twenty years later.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 8 (33:39):
And he founded that underwear company, right, Tommy John. Yes, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
What that That totally happened.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
There are some places where you can get the surgery
and the underwear the same outlet.
Speaker 8 (33:50):
Wow, one stop shop stop surgery is in underwear.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Why not shop? All right?
Speaker 7 (33:56):
Coach, you do have the last pick here, make a go.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
You know I'm not gonna do black Jack Morris. I'm
gonna do John Smoltz. And the one thing about Smoltzy
is obviously he became an elite closer. And yeah, the
Braves didn't win in nineteen ninety one, but in Game
seven he pitched a shutout and in the tenth inning,
(34:22):
Jean Larkin got the walk off based knock.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Right So.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Against Minnesota Twins, which by the way, was black Jack Morris,
I'm gonna go with John Smoltz. John Smoltz's answer.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Jean Larkin made it into the show. Jean Larkin Kin.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Jean Larkin made it him before Barry Larkin. Barry Larkin
played for the Red Spansea back when we were kids.
He was awesome. They also had a guy named Eric Davis.
Eric Davis used to kind of pump his hands and
load up on a swing. He was from Los Angeles,
and I have no idea you have to have such
quick hands to be able to drop your bat that
low and still get around a high fastball.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
But he was awesome.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Stuff stuck.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, Stud Eccou baseball was cool man. Anyway, I had
that is game time.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
This is game time. I done the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Wance was at the game last night. She witnessed three thousand.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
I did. It was great. Yeah, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Here's the thing with Kershaw, now, I've I've always been
a bit of a Kershaw defender from this perspective, right,
most of the times in which he struggled in the
postseason because he did have even he did have some
great postseason starts. I mean, again, like people diminish it's like,
you're not gonna be great in every postseas start, and
he's had a ton of them. But uh, specifically it's
(35:44):
like the Cardinals, he struggled. It was always late innings.
And you do wonder, like, what if he didn't lead
the league in innings pitched in the regular season, would
he have had better stuff?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Or would the Dodgers have gotten that deep in the
playoffs had he not.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Been as good in the regular season?
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
It's a kind of m catch twenty two.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But I think that I think that the pick that
Jason made is a really good one because because Kurt
Shilling was known for being clutched and being great in
the regular season, and I think there's a lot of
people in baseball, like in one game, you may not
like Kurt Shilling, some people don't, but he was awesome
(36:24):
in the playoffs. I mean, he was kind of amazing, awesome, awesome,
awesome stuff. By the way, here's a here's a note
which I found last night when on our group text,
did you guys see this? How many wins did Clayton
Kershaw have coming into last night?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Two twelve?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
I thought it was two sixteen.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Okay to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Kurt Schilling also has to sixteen. We'll talk to Kurt
Chilling next hour plus don't call to throw Back Thursday,
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