October 20, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug breaks down the wild 4th quarter of the Broncos-Giants game as Denver had a near-impossible comeback to get New York. Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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great day. What a sports weekend kids, Wow Wow, be late,
and happy birthday to Sam Kinsley, who's our resident Cliff
Claven On the ones and twos, his Hawk Eyes escape
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with a one point victory over Penn State. Showe heyo
Atani has arguably or maybe inarguably the greatest playoff performance
of all time. College football was insane in so many
different ways. The you goes down also Friday night that
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you went down, you went down at home, and then
you go to yesterday and Colts look like they're for real.
Congratulations to me on drafting Jonathan Taylor, so my starting
running back in fantasy football. I nailed that one. I
nailed that one, and then we got the New York
Giants and the Denver Broncos. So Buyer you know, does
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his Sunday show, and these games are going on, and
to those of us who are like red Zone Nation,
you're like, why do we keep coming back? Why do
we keep coming back to this game? And I remember
the extra point that was missed in the first half
when the Giants were up thirteen nothing, and the announcers
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always that that could come back to get to bite them,
and they missed another one in the fourth quarter. Turns
out it did come back, in fact to bite them.
The Denver Broncos score thirty three points in the fourth
quarter win the game thirty three thirty two. There's a
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lot Let's let's get to some of the voices of
some of the key players in this thing. Here's Brian Daboll,
head coached the Giants on what he said to his
team after the loss. Yeah, tough loss. Put your heart
and stroll into it. So not a lot of talking
that needs to be done when you lose a game
like that. Everybody gave everything they had.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
They should yell change the direction at the end there, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, nothing ended there. We lost the game.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I was upsetting.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
We're going to have a.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Shame in that moment it was directed.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No, we lost the game. Here's Jackson Dart, his starting quarterback,
on the loss.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I think for right now, it's just it's really frustrating, man.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I'm trying to put it all together. We had chances
to win the game, didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I never felt like we were gonna lose the game.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So, you know, I looked at the clock when they scored,
I said, Dame, we got a lot of time left.
I had. I had no doubt that we were gonna
go down there and score.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Here's Bo Nicks, the victorious quarterback, on the fourth quarter.
They put up thirty three in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
We just saved all our good ones for the fourth quarter,
and you know, they've just they worked. We just kept
running them and you know, we found some momentum and
our defense found some stops, got a huge turnover, and
all of a sudden, we just got some life back
that we could win the game. And so we you know,
kept playing until we won the game.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Crazy stuff. You know, I think one of the things
that I can use my other job to to relate
in sports. And you know, we played Oakland University our
last game of the regular season great camps, the coach.
Everybody remembers Oakland because they just beat Kentucky the year before,
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and we're up fourteen with like five and a half
minutes to go, lost the game in overtime and had
had time chance to win it. We were similarly up
fourteen against Youngstown State, which was actually better than Oakland,
and lost it. I think the thing, there's a bunch
of things one young teams. It's hard to teach him
how to win, you know, they sometimes you have to
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what do we always say, feel the pain before you
taste the champagne. And learning how to win is a hard,
hard skill to teach. And closing out games is not
something that all people, especially when you're at a new
high level, know how to do. And Jackson Dart is
a little bit reckless, so the fact that he did
throw a big interception shouldn't be a huge surprise. But
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what I found, and I think the Giants already showed
this with how well they played, especially defensively and a
little bit offensively in the first half, there is carry
over game to game. You know, they look like a confident,
confident bunch in the first half against the Denver Broncos,
and I think that's carrying over the confidence from playing
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the Philadelphia Eagles. Now think about where they are today,
and my guess is, well, it doesn't mean it will
last the whole game. In their next game, it's going
to be about half of a game where they lack
confidence because no matter how big the lead they could get,
it's surmountable, because it was just surmounted yesterday. Bayer, when
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you're hosting the show with Carrie and it's Sunday afternoon
and you have the screens up, at what point in
time did you go, hey, we might have something going
on here in Denver.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Well, we had something going on when it was thirteen
to nothing and Denver couldn't do anything with the football.
Then when it was nineteen nothing at the end of
the third quarter, you're like, okay, probably over with but
we'll keep our eye on it. So Denver scores. They
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score early in the fourth quarter, and then the Broncos
are excuse me, the Giants are on offense and there's
a play where the ball goes through Wandale Robinson's hands
and then ends up in the hands of Theo Johnson.
Two Broncos defenders collide and Johnson goes into the end
zone and it's twenty six to eight, and you say
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to yourself, there it is. That's how you know it's
the Giants day. So at that point, when it's twenty
six to eight, with like ten minutes left in the game,
you're saying to yourself, all right, well this is this
is probably probably over. And then all of a sudden,
Denver comes down, even though they score Doug even though
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they score in their next possession. I mean there's a
point where right before they scored their touchdown, there was
five point fifteen left to go in the game and
it's twenty six to eight in favor of the Giants.
So then Denver scores on that next play, and then
you're like twenty six to sixteen, but still Denver really
hadn't done tons on offense except for those previous two drives.
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Then Dart throws the bad interception. By the way, you're
hearing a lot of praise on Jackson Dart's numbers today.
Jackson Dart through the bad interception. He missed two opportunities
on wide open plays where it open, yes, the game
ended the game. And then the only reason that he
got to score on the one yard run, which by
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the way, would have been better if he was probably
down at the inch yard line. They could have worked
the clock and then had three chances to get it
in from a half yard out. I know it's not
a guarantee. I know you say you got to score
in that situation, but they had a timeout, they had
a lot of control down four, but the only reason
that they go down there was because of an awful
pass interference call. He did make a great play on
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fourth and nineteen, but that was even aided by an
awful roughing the passer call. And I was sitting next
to Carry Roads through all this, and then they showed
one of the Giants defensive players on the oxygen and
Carrie's like, that's a real thing. Sure, So the Giants
defense didn't have anything left, so that allowed then Denver
to have all the success that they had, And even
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with that, it was shocking on how it turned out.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, it's funny you point out the altitude because the
one time we played in Colorado when I was at
Oklahoma State, we'd lost. We had twenty point lead a half,
and you know, between the officiating and the and the altitude,
it got to US. I agree with Carrie, that is
an absolute real thing. And I'd be interested to know
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when Brian Dable when they arrived in Denver, because they
tell you arrive as late as possible because if you're
not used to it, your blood doesn't have enough oxygenation,
and the longer you're there you don't actually adjust, it
gets worse than you get oxygen poisoning. So it had
all the check marks of a team that's gonna lose
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a gigantic and seemingly insurmountable lead. Right. You have a
young quarterback who also is aggressive to maybe the point
of being reckless. You have altitude, you have a coach
who's won a Super Bowl before and is like a
PROFESSORI open doing it forever. All these situations done in BURNEU.
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And then you have one team that won that was
in the playoffs last year, another team that lost that
had the big lead, that had a terrible year last year.
So there's a little bit of a a you know,
culture of winning and culture of losing. One that has
been established as a culture of winning was the Denver Broncos.
It was a perfect storm, perfect storm. And then you
have the two missed extra points, which also obviously ate
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it and helped generate it, and and you know, left
left the door open. So there's a bunch of different
parts to it. In all the things we had this weekend,
you know, between Miami going down, Vanderbilt getting a gigantic win,
you know, you go throughout the NFL, and and and
and green Bay surviving. Remember Green Bay was stuck on
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the tarmac in in Green Bay for like five hours
the night before the game, day before the game. There's
all kinds of craziness that took place between Friday Saturday.
I didn't show Hayes unbelievable night right baseball, which we
have a game seven tonight between the Blue Jays. All
of those things, and whether it's the train wreck that
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was the Giants with the lead giving it up, or
the comeback for the Denver Broncos, whatever side you're on,
that's all anybody can think about. That's all anybody can remember.
And this is like Christian Jaffrey had a great night
last night. Nobody cares. It's because thirty three points in
the fourth quarter, Jackson darts aggressiveness and the reward for
having young players, but then the misses in the fourth
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quarter all of that makes hit the story of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I could give you a little insight as well, because
you have a game going on in Glendale, Arizona, where
the Cardinals make a questionable call on a fourth down
play with six minutes to go, give the ball back
to Green Bay. Matt Lafleur says, we're going to kick
a field goal. Now we'll go nonstead, We're gonna go
for it on fourth down, down three with a couple
of minutes left in the game. They score, then Jacoby
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Resetts bringing his team down the field. All of that
overshadowed by the craziness of the Broncos game. And it's
funny because you hear the cuts and you hear people
asking the two missed extra points are absolute killers. They
change everything. But to sit there and absolve everybody else
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of any wrongdoing, one one person just had to make
one more play. Sure in that scenario, Yeah, yeah, it's
the Giants were about to be in the playoff picture. Yeah,
right at three and four. They would have been on
the graphic on Fox, would have been all the way
to the right, that would have been in the hunt.
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But they would have been in the hunt seven weeks
into the season, which would have been absurd.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It's the Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
We had so many things to get to, but I
just it's so unique that you and Carrie were watching
this happen and Uh, I'm sitting there going like why
they keep coming back to this game on red Zone?
This game's over over, Turn it off, don't put it
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on to watch the Jets can't do it.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
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Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's our chance to catch up with a good friend
and a great friend of the program as well. He's
time to LESCo, former general manager of the La Chargers
for eleven years and of course last year the Las
Vegas Raiders, and he joins us here on The Doug
Gottlieb Show. Let's actually start with the Broncos comeback or
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the Giants collapse. And again I'm I don't know your
level of PTSD. It's different because yours was the playoffs,
but you know obviously what happened in Jacksonville a couple
of years ago. In many ways has to has to
I don't know what it feels like when what's your
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what's it feel like to watch that happen to the Giants?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Number one, it's it feels awful, especially if you're a
GM or coach or player that's been in that situation before.
Because the Giants is such a great job billing the
lead in the first three quarters, played really well on
both sides of the ball, and the Broncos the last
couple of weeks in the fourth quarter they've actually had
some issues just with with situational football, and it was
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the complete opposite yesterday. I mean, Sean Payton did a
great job with that part of the game plan. He
knew in the fourth quarter we only have so many
possessions left. But obviously anytime there's that big of a comeback,
it really it goes both ways. Broncos have to make
a lot of players on offense and then defensively with
the Giants, there's going to have to be some breakdowns
that are going to happen, and that's what the that's
what happened yesterday. To me. The Giants defense that was
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supposed to be one of the strengths of their team,
and that just has not played out the way I
had anticipated. The good news if you're a Giants fan
is this is Jackson Dark and camp Scandabo kind of
doing this on their own. They don't have a lot
on offense. The defensive line has really been shaky the
last couple of years. Obviously the league neighbors is out,
but when it came to the fourth quarter, once bow
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Nicks got going, they started using him much more as
a runner. He's a very athletic runner, and he's strong,
and it has good sides, but there also has to
be some breakdow on defense. That happened too, But there's
just no worse feeling, especially if you're the away team
and you can feel that crowd started to come on,
the momentum starts building, and you get that feeling sometimes,
especially where the Giants have been because they don't have
a great record, that something bad is going to happen
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to us. And it did. It happened in the fourth quarter.
Jackson Dart played a great game through a bad pick.
It's going to happen, but it's just a total breakdown
really on the defensive side. Of the ball for that
to happen.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Let's go with Jackson Dart real quick now that you've
seen him, and again we know it takes like a year, right.
You got to see how they adjust to you, and
can your quarterback adjust to the to the adjustment and
how they handle the ups, how they handles it down.
But so far, how sustainable do you think his level
of success is considering his talent and aptitude.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, it's certainly sustainable. He just has to learn and
you'll continue to learn how to protect himself because the
style of play is it's a great and which you
know as part of being a leader is to put
people on your back and say, look, I'm gonna take
this over, which he does from time to time. But
he can put himself in some tough situations. But look,
he can play. There is no doubt in my mind.
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The Broncos have one of the best defenses in the league.
He puts up thirty two on the Broncos. Eagles have
a very good defense. He puts up thirty four on
the Eagles and he's doing this without a lot around him. Yet,
I mean, THEO Johnson is a really good tight end.
He's not a big name. He's a good player for them,
but they don't have a lot of receiver. They hat
Scati Boat, which is a great tone setter for them.
As a running back, the offensive linstill needs a lot
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of work. So he's doing this without a lot around him.
So I think it's a positive. I think he's a
dynamic player and he's going to get nothing from better
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
What's your reaction to Indy?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They're better than I anticipated, and when you really look
at it, because now we have a really good stample
side what they are. First of all, it's Shane Stike
and Daniel Jones. We're a perfect match for each other.
They just they're both passionate guys about the quarterback position
and all those those details and nuances that go into it,
and that has to be a relationship. That's a twenty
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four to seven relationship between usually your coordinator and the quarterback.
In this instance it's the head coach. So it's a
great match with those two and look at how they
play it. I don't like to compare prior teams where
that coach came from and try, hey, we're going to
do the offensive same way. And I know Shane came
from Philly, but there are a lot of similarities with
what he's doing with the Colts. Jonathan Taylor is he's
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basically say Von Barkley, very similar in style, size, speed,
dynamic play, making a space, can catch the ball. They
have a tight end and Tyler Warren and the Eagles
have always had a tight ends that can run a catch.
The Colts offensive line is excellent, you know, probably not
quite as good as the peak Eagles offensive line, but
pretty close. They have a very athletic center and Taylor
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Taylor Bordolini, who's a really good player, and the offensive
line haven't got enough credit for what they're doing as
far as protecting the quarterback. They're running the ball well.
Pittman and Alex Pearce could make plays on the outside.
So the biggest thing is Daniel Jones. He's limiting his sacks,
he's limiting fumbles, he's limiting interceptions, and that had been
the issue for him, especially later with the Giants, but
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it actually going all the way all the way back
to college as far as making the key big airs,
and he's not. He's playing very efficient football, kind of
the way Jalen Hurts does when he's playing well. He's
not turning it over. He can make plays here or there,
and the offense is doing outstanding.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco, former general manager of the LA Chargers,
who's joining us. Let's go back to Thursday because we
we hadn't we? You and I haven't talked on air.
We actually haven't talked off air about it as well.
You know, that was a stunnard to me because of
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how much time Joe Flacco had to throw the football right,
Like the Pittsburgh defense didn't stop the run and didn't
really get to Joe Flacke. What's going on with that
with the front seven?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Hard to say, because that's the strength of the Pittsburgh
team and it's been the strength of the team for
god knows how long, and it's supposed to be. The
strength is getting to the quarterback. Andy's offensive line has
struggled this year, but we didn't see that Thursday night.
I mean, Joe was basically untouched for most of the game,
played really clean game, high percentage passer, made some big
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plays down the field. I think it helps, Like you
talk about team with weapons mean, they've got Jamar Chase
and Key Higgins and Eu VOTs from from Princeton who's
a you know, not a big name player, but but
a really good receiver for them in that third third role.
And Chase Brown was a player that I felt like
he could have a big year as a runner. He's
got outstanding speed and it helped with them getting the
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lead a little bit on Pittsburgh. We have a chance
to run the ball better. But it is a stunner
that Pittsburgh just didn't get to the quarterback the way
they usually do and that that's the strength of their team.
That would be the way to shut down Sincantty is
to get to Joe Flacko because you know where he's
gonna be at all time. And it just didn't play
out that way. But it was, uh, it was fun
to watch Joe sit back there and really just use
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the weapons that he has and you know, not try
and do too much. But it was really you know,
it was a fun game to watch.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And listen, you're not a hyperbolegue guy, but you've you know,
your time with the Chargers, you've seen the best of
the best. You go back to your time with with
the Colts when you guys had Marvin Harrison. So you've
seen Jamar am I crazy saying like, I don't know,
Jamar Chase is he's the best wide receiver going and
I think you have to start having legit conversations about
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the actual top of the heap. My Mike going crazy
about a guy who's performing well but a shortened career
and compared to it to a Jerry Rice. I just
I feel like he's he's the best player on the
field and and everybody knows it, and there's not a
ton you can do about it. And if you put
three on him, well that's how they open it up
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for t Higgins. For a guy who's historically been around
this league. What do you see when you see Jamar.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Chase, Well, it's the same thing you're seeing. You see
all those traits as a receiver. He has pretty good size,
His athletic ability and quickness and body control and explosiveness
is so high level. And then he add in just
straight line speed, which he has as well, so he
has all the physical attributes you need to have. And
then he has that one thing you can't teach, which
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is just the instincts to play the position. The instincts
is the field to get open, and then the instincts
and the balls in the air to be able to
adjust in the timing of it in the finished catches.
And that's a game where we knew where the ball
was going. Still, even on the half t Higgins to
throw to. Jamar Chase had over twenty targets in the game,
So Pittsburgh knows where the ball's going. They have some
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pretty good corners, but Joey Porter is he's a big
corner with long arms, but he follows a lot. And
Jamar Chase is a tough receiver to play unless you're gonna,
you know, brack them every down. But you really can't
do that with the other weapons that the Benkals have.
But when you look at just pure talent level, yeah,
he's gonna if he keeps on this pace, you know,
he's gonna be up with those top receivers.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, he's he's he's a phenomenal, phenomenal for all player.
Tom Telesco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. My thing on Justin Fields
was how many teams have to tell you he's not
not good enough. Now he didn't injury's ankle, But it's like,
what what what's your feeling? You've made highers before, right,
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at what point do you go it's the coach? At
what point do you go? We're not giving the coach
a fairy shot because the quarterback, what's the read seven
games in on a winless season with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, you touched on a little bit there with just
the Fields and then his other stops, and there's enough
talent on this offense that the results should be better
than what they are. They have Derrick Wilson, they have
bris Hall, Mason Taylor was a second round pick, a
tight end who's really calentled that's got two number one
takes a full tackle spots. So when Justin Fields comes in,
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I mean you're paying him twenty million dollars a year
to come in and be the starter without a lot
of competition from either another free agent or maybe a
draft pick, and basically a prior body of work. He
hasn't been a consistent starter yet in his last two stops,
so he's in his fifth year. He still needs development,
and there's a lot of things I like about him,
but he's a dynamic athlete. He has a strong arm,
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he's got great leadership skills. But and this is a
big butt his ability to process in the pocket, make
decisive throws and decisions, anticipate and wins in the pocket.
It has to come to fruition in five years with
two different teams. So if you have a first time
head coach with a defensive background at first time coordinator,
the problem is is, you know, can we develop this better?
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Because the Bears a deeals the coaches couldn't. So you
bring him in and Tyrod Taylor and they signed up
more to be the backup to Justin fields where I
think they probably had to bring in somebody else to
compete with Justin because you just hadn't shown that body
at work yet. You hired a head coach, you put
all this work into it. You have to get in time.
He does have some resources there already. I think Joe
Douglas left him some pretty good players. But it's been
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a quarterback position right now. That's just killing them and
they can't move the football and they can't score.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
No, no, it's it's it's it's bad. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports, rader Tom Telesco
is our guest. When Brian Schottenneimer was hired, it was
wild widely panned and they're not great. But man, I Tommy,
I gotta give Jerry Jones credit. His whole thing was,
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Dak likes this offense, Dak likes Brian Schottenneimer, and Dak's
my best player. And if Dak's happy, we're going to
be pretty good. The defense isn't great, right, it's not
even maybe eveny good, but they're fun to watch and
Dak is having an incredible season, Like this feels like
one where some people need to held Jerry Jones, he
got it right.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Look, historically, they've drafted pretty well there, they've done well
in freegency where they were dabbling freeency. They don't really
go after, you know, big price players, so they're very
patient in that regard. I've always respected how how they've
built their team because it is mostly through the draft.
They'll both try and you know, draft, develop and resign.
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And you know, like this year this offseason, like they
signed Javonte Williams running back. He's not a big, big
money back, but they saw the skills they had in college.
They saw the skills they had with the Broncos street
knee injury, they took a chance on him and he's
having an outstanding year. He's running very similar the way
he did in North Carolina as far as he gets
a ton of yards after contact, and he had over
one hundred yards yesterday. Dak Prescott has always been a
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very talented, efficient quarterback when he's healthy, and he's completely
healthy right now. You got Cede Lamb back, They've got
George Pickens, Jake Ferguson was an excellent draft pick, a
tight end. They have a lot of pieces of offense
at Cavante Turpin, who's who's a nice just as pure speed,
get down the field and even you know stretch people
even laterally with them and their round So they have
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a lot of pieces there. And now it's just about
can we get enough stops on defense and that that's
that's been the issue early in the year. They got
enough yesterday against the Commanders, So you hope you can
keep building on that defense moving forward, because I think
and I think most people have said this even from
week one, the Cowboys are going to score. They were
even scoring when C. D. Lamb was out, so they're
going to move the ball, they're going to score. Great
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credit to Brian Schottenheimer with what he's doing with the offense.
Just got to figure a way to get the more stops.
But you know, they're at three to three and one
right now and moving forward.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
How do you explain Trevor Lawrence's career.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's just been so inconsistent. There's so much physical talent
there as a passer, as an athlete, as a runner.
It's just been so up and down, and it's been
a lot of it's just been those those key big airs,
that interception at the wrong time, the strip flumbles the
wrong time. But don't forget and I know nobody wants
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to hear about patience, but it is a new head coach,
it's a new offensive Liam Cohen. Things do take some time.
So they did some good things earlier in the year,
but it's going to take some time as we moved
through this with with the new head coach, slash coordinator
and quarterback. There's talent there. He just got to keep
working together on it. But yeah, it's just been I
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don't want to say disappointing, because that's not that's not
quite the right word. But it's just been so inconsistent
because the highs have been really high and the lows
have been really low, and the somehow trying even those out.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You famously drafted Justin Herbert. Of course you didn't have that.
You didn't have a choice there where you could draft
threat draft Tua, who went right before you drafted Justin Herbert.
But when you watch where their careers are going, Tua
obviously massive struggle yesterday against Cleveland, And you know, Herbert
didn't have his best day, but he's he's why regard
(28:00):
as at least a top ten quarterback now kind of
looking back, what's your reaction to the disparities, And look,
you couldn't plan on to his injuries, but he was
injured a lot in college. Like one of the things
that people missed on him wasn't just a hip Like
he got hurt every year in college and usually got
hurt when he was trying to run away from people
and they caught him. They catch in college, they're going
(28:22):
to catch you in the pro. But what do you
think now, you know six years later, six seasons later,
where Herbert is a top ten guy and Tua is
going to be struggling to hold onto his job.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, we've talked about this before that in college in
the draft process. Yes, his durability and injury history, that
was a pretty big deal. The hip injury was a
significant injury that you know, we didn't know one hundred
percent that it would come back to one hundred percent.
Now it did, which is great, But he also had
a lot of other injuries and a lot of us
like you said, like he's a by NFL standards, he's
(28:56):
probably an average athlete. And when you're going to you know,
try and escape and move. I mean, the athletes of
the speed at this lever are so much faster. You
get caught, you can get hurt. So and we've seen
that now his play right now, like you're watching yesterday,
it's just like a total lack of confidence right now.
We've seen him play at a higher level, and we've
seen him play a higher level in that offense, but
(29:16):
right now it just seems like it's just a it's
a snowball running downhill and it's just turning and turning,
turning and get bigger and bigger. But with you know
what justin what you're looking at is and he saw
this yesterday with a couple of the plays. He's such
a big, fast and physical player that even when there's
pressure on him, he has the speed to get out
(29:36):
of the pocket and go pick up a chunk of yards.
Or he can take his left armor and just stiff
armor deep defensive lineman to the ground to give us
some extra time to make a throw. And if you're
going to play this position over the long term, and
if you're drafting a quarterback you're hoping for ten plus
years as your franchise quarterback, if you hit on it,
you're not going to have a proper offensive line every year.
You're not going to have a perfect offense every year.
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So you're gonna have to make a lot of plays
on your own. And then yesterday, watching Tua throw the
ball in Cleveland where it's wet and it's windy, two,
it just doesn't have that elite arm strength to pierce
the ball through the winds of coming off Lake Erie.
And I think justin in that situation, a little bit
bigger arm, just the way same way Jim Kelly had
an arm perfectly for playing in Buffalo, New York. Big
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strong can throw the ball through the winds. So to
yesterday it's a tough situation for him. He's a rhythm passer,
he's accurate, arbustrength is kind of average and it hurts
you playing the element. So but yeah, there are two
different styles of quarterbacks. But I do think to if
you get back in the right situation, can be productive
in this league. Right now, just team wise, it just
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seems like team white. It's the confidence that's just really dying.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's a mess. It's a mess. Tell me is the
best man. Love having me on. Talk to you next week.
Thanks for our guest and talk towards radio.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That's great, Doug. Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (31:32):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
All right, Doug, the game today is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 5 (31:43):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal. That
we've got a game seven tonight in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's a really big deal. I mentioned this on our
group chat. I think it's a weird thing that when
they played in Seattle, it's like half like half Toronto fans.
And I get that Seattle is close to Canada, but
that's Vancouver, British Columbia. That's the other side of the
Canadian Earth. Like is Canada that united as a country
(32:12):
that they cheer for all the only Canadian baseball team.
I would think for you, Canada, you're better than us.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
We don't do that big deal, little deal or no deal.
That Mike McDaniel is sticking with two a tongue of
ilois is starting quarterback for week eight.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Little deal. I don't think he is a choice. I mean,
quittin yours not the answer, right, And they're paying them
a bunch of money. He's got, he's got a ride
or die with Tua. The reason he has the job
is because of Tua. Right, yes, Okay, so that's why
you got the job. That's why you keep the job.
Fix him if you want to keep your job.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
The other interesting portion of that was that Zack Wilson
was demoted and Quinn Yours was the backup yesterday and
Yours actually took a couple of snaps in that game
against the Browns. But there is Zach Wilson in Miami,
all right, Doug, big deal, little deal and no deal.
That the Colts cruise to pass the Chargers on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It felt like a big deal. Like, I know, the
Chargers are all banged up and they've lost three of
their last four, but I mean they were just better.
I'll also tell you this, I think they're really well coached.
There's part of their execution which like, ooh with it.
They know what they're doing. Not a perfect team, but
I mean Jonathan Taylor just changes them. What a what
a player he is when he's healthy, and their line
(33:23):
is really good. Yeah, I think it's a big deal
because you know, look, it's very normal to doubt a
quarterback who you know, just lost his job in New York.
It's very normal to doubt the Colts when they've been
bouncing around with this Antheiny Richardson deal. It's very normal
to doubt teams that were last place and or they
(33:44):
were second to last place or a third place in
your division. But and you think they're playing a soft schedule.
And again I'm not saying the Chargers are great, clear
they're not. I know they're not healthy, But it was
the thoroughness which which they were the better football team.
They were the better football team, and they were really
well coached yesterday.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Big deal, little or no deal that Florida State says
they will wait until after the season to evaluate head
football coach Mike norval.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think it's a big deal, and I think it's
the right deal. I mean, they lost to Stanford obviously
this weekend, and it's a hard one because two years
ago they're undefeated, they lose their quarterback and they don't
get in the College for All playoff, and then last
year they have a disaster of a year. This year
start out hot and after the Virginia game, it's just
gone to hell. In a handbasket, gives him a chance
(34:28):
to see what he can do, gives them a chance
to kind of see the landscape. And oh yeah, by
the way, if you fire him, you lose your whole team.
I think it's actually a pretty smart thing to do,
even if they still want to move on from Norvelt.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal that
Texas Tech has now had to ask their fans to
stop throwing tortillas at football games, a tradition since the
nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's no deal. Tortilla Tech is as s Taco Tech
has been a thing since I you mean since I
was in school, before us in school. It's kind of
their thing. It's kind of taken on a life its own.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
I think it's That's what's a shame about it is
that everybody else wanted to ban it in the Big twelve.
And now now the Red Raiders who are upset this
past weekend and are also banged up, now they they
lose that tradition, all right, Doug, big deal, A little
deal or no deal? That Rockets forward Kevin Durant is
now the all time NBA leader in career earnings with
(35:22):
over five hundred and ninety eight million dollars. Damn getting
that extension from the Rockets over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Half a billion dollars in career earnings, a big deal.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
That he passed Lebron, who, by the way, if Lebron
plays next year, could then pass Durant with his new contract.
Lebron's fire.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Is Lebron hurt or is Lebron injured? It's a real question.
Is he hurt or is the injured?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I think he's hurting. And that's game time.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
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(00:29):
great day. What a sports weekend kids, Wow Wow, be late,
and happy birthday to Sam Kinsley, who's our resident Cliff
Claven On the ones and twos, his Hawk Eyes escape
(00:50):
with a one point victory over Penn State. Showe heyo
Atani has arguably or maybe inarguably the greatest playoff performance
of all time. College football was insane in so many
different ways. The you goes down also Friday night that
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you went down, you went down at home, and then
you go to yesterday and Colts look like they're for real.
Congratulations to me on drafting Jonathan Taylor, so my starting
running back in fantasy football. I nailed that one. I
nailed that one, and then we got the New York
Giants and the Denver Broncos. So Buyer you know, does
(01:38):
his Sunday show, and these games are going on, and
to those of us who are like red Zone Nation,
you're like, why do we keep coming back? Why do
we keep coming back to this game? And I remember
the extra point that was missed in the first half
when the Giants were up thirteen nothing, and the announcers
(02:02):
always that that could come back to get to bite them,
and they missed another one in the fourth quarter. Turns
out it did come back, in fact to bite them.
The Denver Broncos score thirty three points in the fourth
quarter win the game thirty three thirty two. There's a
(02:24):
lot Let's let's get to some of the voices of
some of the key players in this thing. Here's Brian Daboll,
head coached the Giants on what he said to his
team after the loss. Yeah, tough loss. Put your heart
and stroll into it. So not a lot of talking
that needs to be done when you lose a game
like that. Everybody gave everything they had.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
They should yell change the direction at the end there, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
No, nothing ended there. We lost the game.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I was upsetting.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
We're going to have a.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Shame in that moment it was directed.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
No, we lost the game. Here's Jackson Dart, his starting quarterback,
on the loss.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
I think for right now, it's just it's really frustrating, man.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I'm trying to put it all together. We had chances
to win the game, didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
It's frustrating.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
I never felt like we were gonna lose the game.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So, you know, I looked at the clock when they scored,
I said, Dame, we got a lot of time left.
I had. I had no doubt that we were gonna
go down there and score.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Here's Bo Nicks, the victorious quarterback, on the fourth quarter.
They put up thirty three in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
We just saved all our good ones for the fourth quarter,
and you know, they've just they worked. We just kept
running them and you know, we found some momentum and
our defense found some stops, got a huge turnover, and
all of a sudden, we just got some life back
that we could win the game. And so we you know,
kept playing until we won the game.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Crazy stuff. You know, I think one of the things
that I can use my other job to to relate
in sports. And you know, we played Oakland University our
last game of the regular season great camps, the coach.
Everybody remembers Oakland because they just beat Kentucky the year before,
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and we're up fourteen with like five and a half
minutes to go, lost the game in overtime and had
had time chance to win it. We were similarly up
fourteen against Youngstown State, which was actually better than Oakland,
and lost it. I think the thing, there's a bunch
of things one young teams. It's hard to teach him
how to win, you know, they sometimes you have to
(04:33):
what do we always say, feel the pain before you
taste the champagne. And learning how to win is a hard,
hard skill to teach. And closing out games is not
something that all people, especially when you're at a new
high level, know how to do. And Jackson Dart is
a little bit reckless, so the fact that he did
throw a big interception shouldn't be a huge surprise. But
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what I found, and I think the Giants already showed
this with how well they played, especially defensively and a
little bit offensively in the first half, there is carry
over game to game. You know, they look like a confident,
confident bunch in the first half against the Denver Broncos,
and I think that's carrying over the confidence from playing
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the Philadelphia Eagles. Now think about where they are today,
and my guess is, well, it doesn't mean it will
last the whole game. In their next game, it's going
to be about half of a game where they lack
confidence because no matter how big the lead they could get,
it's surmountable, because it was just surmounted yesterday. Bayer, when
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you're hosting the show with Carrie and it's Sunday afternoon
and you have the screens up, at what point in
time did you go, hey, we might have something going
on here in Denver.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Well, we had something going on when it was thirteen
to nothing and Denver couldn't do anything with the football.
Then when it was nineteen nothing at the end of
the third quarter, you're like, okay, probably over with but
we'll keep our eye on it. So Denver scores. They
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score early in the fourth quarter, and then the Broncos
are excuse me, the Giants are on offense and there's
a play where the ball goes through Wandale Robinson's hands
and then ends up in the hands of Theo Johnson.
Two Broncos defenders collide and Johnson goes into the end
zone and it's twenty six to eight, and you say
(06:39):
to yourself, there it is. That's how you know it's
the Giants day. So at that point, when it's twenty
six to eight, with like ten minutes left in the game,
you're saying to yourself, all right, well this is this
is probably probably over. And then all of a sudden,
Denver comes down, even though they score Doug even though
(07:00):
they score in their next possession. I mean there's a
point where right before they scored their touchdown, there was
five point fifteen left to go in the game and
it's twenty six to eight in favor of the Giants.
So then Denver scores on that next play, and then
you're like twenty six to sixteen, but still Denver really
hadn't done tons on offense except for those previous two drives.
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Then Dart throws the bad interception. By the way, you're
hearing a lot of praise on Jackson Dart's numbers today.
Jackson Dart through the bad interception. He missed two opportunities
on wide open plays where it open, yes, the game
ended the game. And then the only reason that he
got to score on the one yard run, which by
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the way, would have been better if he was probably
down at the inch yard line. They could have worked
the clock and then had three chances to get it
in from a half yard out. I know it's not
a guarantee. I know you say you got to score
in that situation, but they had a timeout, they had
a lot of control down four, but the only reason
that they go down there was because of an awful
pass interference call. He did make a great play on
(08:04):
fourth and nineteen, but that was even aided by an
awful roughing the passer call. And I was sitting next
to Carry Roads through all this, and then they showed
one of the Giants defensive players on the oxygen and
Carrie's like, that's a real thing. Sure, So the Giants
defense didn't have anything left, so that allowed then Denver
to have all the success that they had, And even
(08:26):
with that, it was shocking on how it turned out.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, it's funny you point out the altitude because the
one time we played in Colorado when I was at
Oklahoma State, we'd lost. We had twenty point lead a half,
and you know, between the officiating and the and the altitude,
it got to US. I agree with Carrie, that is
an absolute real thing. And I'd be interested to know
(08:50):
when Brian Dable when they arrived in Denver, because they
tell you arrive as late as possible because if you're
not used to it, your blood doesn't have enough oxygenation,
and the longer you're there you don't actually adjust, it
gets worse than you get oxygen poisoning. So it had
all the check marks of a team that's gonna lose
(09:13):
a gigantic and seemingly insurmountable lead. Right. You have a
young quarterback who also is aggressive to maybe the point
of being reckless. You have altitude, you have a coach
who's won a Super Bowl before and is like a
PROFESSORI open doing it forever. All these situations done in BURNEU.
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And then you have one team that won that was
in the playoffs last year, another team that lost that
had the big lead, that had a terrible year last year.
So there's a little bit of a a you know,
culture of winning and culture of losing. One that has
been established as a culture of winning was the Denver Broncos.
It was a perfect storm, perfect storm. And then you
have the two missed extra points, which also obviously ate
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it and helped generate it, and and you know, left
left the door open. So there's a bunch of different
parts to it. In all the things we had this weekend,
you know, between Miami going down, Vanderbilt getting a gigantic win,
you know, you go throughout the NFL, and and and
and green Bay surviving. Remember Green Bay was stuck on
(10:24):
the tarmac in in Green Bay for like five hours
the night before the game, day before the game. There's
all kinds of craziness that took place between Friday Saturday.
I didn't show Hayes unbelievable night right baseball, which we
have a game seven tonight between the Blue Jays. All
of those things, and whether it's the train wreck that
(10:48):
was the Giants with the lead giving it up, or
the comeback for the Denver Broncos, whatever side you're on,
that's all anybody can think about. That's all anybody can remember.
And this is like Christian Jaffrey had a great night
last night. Nobody cares. It's because thirty three points in
the fourth quarter, Jackson darts aggressiveness and the reward for
having young players, but then the misses in the fourth
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quarter all of that makes hit the story of the weekend.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I could give you a little insight as well, because
you have a game going on in Glendale, Arizona, where
the Cardinals make a questionable call on a fourth down
play with six minutes to go, give the ball back
to Green Bay. Matt Lafleur says, we're going to kick
a field goal. Now we'll go nonstead, We're gonna go
for it on fourth down, down three with a couple
of minutes left in the game. They score, then Jacoby
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Resetts bringing his team down the field. All of that
overshadowed by the craziness of the Broncos game. And it's
funny because you hear the cuts and you hear people
asking the two missed extra points are absolute killers. They
change everything. But to sit there and absolve everybody else
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of any wrongdoing, one one person just had to make
one more play. Sure in that scenario, Yeah, yeah, it's
the Giants were about to be in the playoff picture. Yeah,
right at three and four. They would have been on
the graphic on Fox, would have been all the way
to the right, that would have been in the hunt.
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But they would have been in the hunt seven weeks
into the season, which would have been absurd.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
It's the Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
We had so many things to get to, but I
just it's so unique that you and Carrie were watching
this happen and Uh, I'm sitting there going like why
they keep coming back to this game on red Zone?
This game's over over, Turn it off, don't put it
(12:40):
on to watch the Jets can't do it.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's our chance to catch up with a good friend
and a great friend of the program as well. He's
time to LESCo, former general manager of the La Chargers
for eleven years and of course last year the Las
Vegas Raiders, and he joins us here on The Doug
Gottlieb Show. Let's actually start with the Broncos comeback or
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the Giants collapse. And again I'm I don't know your
level of PTSD. It's different because yours was the playoffs,
but you know obviously what happened in Jacksonville a couple
of years ago. In many ways has to has to
I don't know what it feels like when what's your
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what's it feel like to watch that happen to the Giants?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Number one, it's it feels awful, especially if you're a
GM or coach or player that's been in that situation before.
Because the Giants is such a great job billing the
lead in the first three quarters, played really well on
both sides of the ball, and the Broncos the last
couple of weeks in the fourth quarter they've actually had
some issues just with with situational football, and it was
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the complete opposite yesterday. I mean, Sean Payton did a
great job with that part of the game plan. He
knew in the fourth quarter we only have so many
possessions left. But obviously anytime there's that big of a comeback,
it really it goes both ways. Broncos have to make
a lot of players on offense and then defensively with
the Giants, there's going to have to be some breakdowns
that are going to happen, and that's what the that's
what happened yesterday. To me. The Giants defense that was
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supposed to be one of the strengths of their team,
and that just has not played out the way I
had anticipated. The good news if you're a Giants fan
is this is Jackson Dark and camp Scandabo kind of
doing this on their own. They don't have a lot
on offense. The defensive line has really been shaky the
last couple of years. Obviously the league neighbors is out,
but when it came to the fourth quarter, once bow
(14:52):
Nicks got going, they started using him much more as
a runner. He's a very athletic runner, and he's strong,
and it has good sides, but there also has to
be some breakdow on defense. That happened too, But there's
just no worse feeling, especially if you're the away team
and you can feel that crowd started to come on,
the momentum starts building, and you get that feeling sometimes,
especially where the Giants have been because they don't have
a great record, that something bad is going to happen
(15:14):
to us. And it did. It happened in the fourth quarter.
Jackson Dart played a great game through a bad pick.
It's going to happen, but it's just a total breakdown
really on the defensive side. Of the ball for that
to happen.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Let's go with Jackson Dart real quick now that you've
seen him, and again we know it takes like a year, right.
You got to see how they adjust to you, and
can your quarterback adjust to the to the adjustment and
how they handle the ups, how they handles it down.
But so far, how sustainable do you think his level
of success is considering his talent and aptitude.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, it's certainly sustainable. He just has to learn and
you'll continue to learn how to protect himself because the
style of play is it's a great and which you
know as part of being a leader is to put
people on your back and say, look, I'm gonna take
this over, which he does from time to time. But
he can put himself in some tough situations. But look,
he can play. There is no doubt in my mind.
(16:12):
The Broncos have one of the best defenses in the league.
He puts up thirty two on the Broncos. Eagles have
a very good defense. He puts up thirty four on
the Eagles and he's doing this without a lot around him. Yet,
I mean, THEO Johnson is a really good tight end.
He's not a big name. He's a good player for them,
but they don't have a lot of receiver. They hat
Scati Boat, which is a great tone setter for them.
As a running back, the offensive linstill needs a lot
(16:34):
of work. So he's doing this without a lot around him.
So I think it's a positive. I think he's a
dynamic player and he's going to get nothing from better
moving forward.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
What's your reaction to Indy?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
They're better than I anticipated, and when you really look
at it, because now we have a really good stample
side what they are. First of all, it's Shane Stike
and Daniel Jones. We're a perfect match for each other.
They just they're both passionate guys about the quarterback position
and all those those details and nuances that go into it,
and that has to be a relationship. That's a twenty
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four to seven relationship between usually your coordinator and the quarterback.
In this instance it's the head coach. So it's a
great match with those two and look at how they
play it. I don't like to compare prior teams where
that coach came from and try, hey, we're going to
do the offensive same way. And I know Shane came
from Philly, but there are a lot of similarities with
what he's doing with the Colts. Jonathan Taylor is he's
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basically say Von Barkley, very similar in style, size, speed,
dynamic play, making a space, can catch the ball. They
have a tight end and Tyler Warren and the Eagles
have always had a tight ends that can run a catch.
The Colts offensive line is excellent, you know, probably not
quite as good as the peak Eagles offensive line, but
pretty close. They have a very athletic center and Taylor
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Taylor Bordolini, who's a really good player, and the offensive
line haven't got enough credit for what they're doing as
far as protecting the quarterback. They're running the ball well.
Pittman and Alex Pearce could make plays on the outside.
So the biggest thing is Daniel Jones. He's limiting his sacks,
he's limiting fumbles, he's limiting interceptions, and that had been
the issue for him, especially later with the Giants, but
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it actually going all the way all the way back
to college as far as making the key big airs,
and he's not. He's playing very efficient football, kind of
the way Jalen Hurts does when he's playing well. He's
not turning it over. He can make plays here or there,
and the offense is doing outstanding.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco, former general manager of the LA Chargers,
who's joining us. Let's go back to Thursday because we
we hadn't we? You and I haven't talked on air.
We actually haven't talked off air about it as well.
You know, that was a stunnard to me because of
(18:51):
how much time Joe Flacco had to throw the football right,
Like the Pittsburgh defense didn't stop the run and didn't
really get to Joe Flacke. What's going on with that
with the front seven?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Hard to say, because that's the strength of the Pittsburgh
team and it's been the strength of the team for
god knows how long, and it's supposed to be. The
strength is getting to the quarterback. Andy's offensive line has
struggled this year, but we didn't see that Thursday night.
I mean, Joe was basically untouched for most of the game,
played really clean game, high percentage passer, made some big
(19:28):
plays down the field. I think it helps, Like you
talk about team with weapons mean, they've got Jamar Chase
and Key Higgins and Eu VOTs from from Princeton who's
a you know, not a big name player, but but
a really good receiver for them in that third third role.
And Chase Brown was a player that I felt like
he could have a big year as a runner. He's
got outstanding speed and it helped with them getting the
(19:49):
lead a little bit on Pittsburgh. We have a chance
to run the ball better. But it is a stunner
that Pittsburgh just didn't get to the quarterback the way
they usually do and that that's the strength of their team.
That would be the way to shut down Sincantty is
to get to Joe Flacko because you know where he's
gonna be at all time. And it just didn't play
out that way. But it was, uh, it was fun
to watch Joe sit back there and really just use
(20:12):
the weapons that he has and you know, not try
and do too much. But it was really you know,
it was a fun game to watch.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And listen, you're not a hyperbolegue guy, but you've you know,
your time with the Chargers, you've seen the best of
the best. You go back to your time with with
the Colts when you guys had Marvin Harrison. So you've
seen Jamar am I crazy saying like, I don't know,
Jamar Chase is he's the best wide receiver going and
I think you have to start having legit conversations about
(20:41):
the actual top of the heap. My Mike going crazy
about a guy who's performing well but a shortened career
and compared to it to a Jerry Rice. I just
I feel like he's he's the best player on the
field and and everybody knows it, and there's not a
ton you can do about it. And if you put
three on him, well that's how they open it up
(21:02):
for t Higgins. For a guy who's historically been around
this league. What do you see when you see Jamar.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Chase, Well, it's the same thing you're seeing. You see
all those traits as a receiver. He has pretty good size,
His athletic ability and quickness and body control and explosiveness
is so high level. And then he add in just
straight line speed, which he has as well, so he
has all the physical attributes you need to have. And
then he has that one thing you can't teach, which
(21:27):
is just the instincts to play the position. The instincts
is the field to get open, and then the instincts
and the balls in the air to be able to
adjust in the timing of it in the finished catches.
And that's a game where we knew where the ball
was going. Still, even on the half t Higgins to
throw to. Jamar Chase had over twenty targets in the game,
So Pittsburgh knows where the ball's going. They have some
(21:50):
pretty good corners, but Joey Porter is he's a big
corner with long arms, but he follows a lot. And
Jamar Chase is a tough receiver to play unless you're gonna,
you know, brack them every down. But you really can't
do that with the other weapons that the Benkals have.
But when you look at just pure talent level, yeah,
he's gonna if he keeps on this pace, you know,
he's gonna be up with those top receivers.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, he's he's he's a phenomenal, phenomenal for all player.
Tom Telesco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. My thing on Justin Fields
was how many teams have to tell you he's not
not good enough. Now he didn't injury's ankle, But it's like,
what what what's your feeling? You've made highers before, right,
(22:35):
at what point do you go it's the coach? At
what point do you go? We're not giving the coach
a fairy shot because the quarterback, what's the read seven
games in on a winless season with the Jets.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Well, you touched on a little bit there with just
the Fields and then his other stops, and there's enough
talent on this offense that the results should be better
than what they are. They have Derrick Wilson, they have
bris Hall, Mason Taylor was a second round pick, a
tight end who's really calentled that's got two number one
takes a full tackle spots. So when Justin Fields comes in,
(23:07):
I mean you're paying him twenty million dollars a year
to come in and be the starter without a lot
of competition from either another free agent or maybe a
draft pick, and basically a prior body of work. He
hasn't been a consistent starter yet in his last two stops,
so he's in his fifth year. He still needs development,
and there's a lot of things I like about him,
but he's a dynamic athlete. He has a strong arm,
(23:28):
he's got great leadership skills. But and this is a
big butt his ability to process in the pocket, make
decisive throws and decisions, anticipate and wins in the pocket.
It has to come to fruition in five years with
two different teams. So if you have a first time
head coach with a defensive background at first time coordinator,
the problem is is, you know, can we develop this better?
(23:50):
Because the Bears a deeals the coaches couldn't. So you
bring him in and Tyrod Taylor and they signed up
more to be the backup to Justin fields where I
think they probably had to bring in somebody else to
compete with Justin because you just hadn't shown that body
at work yet. You hired a head coach, you put
all this work into it. You have to get in time.
He does have some resources there already. I think Joe
Douglas left him some pretty good players. But it's been
(24:13):
a quarterback position right now. That's just killing them and
they can't move the football and they can't score.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
No, no, it's it's it's it's bad. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports, rader Tom Telesco
is our guest. When Brian Schottenneimer was hired, it was
wild widely panned and they're not great. But man, I Tommy,
I gotta give Jerry Jones credit. His whole thing was,
(24:42):
Dak likes this offense, Dak likes Brian Schottenneimer, and Dak's
my best player. And if Dak's happy, we're going to
be pretty good. The defense isn't great, right, it's not
even maybe eveny good, but they're fun to watch and
Dak is having an incredible season, Like this feels like
one where some people need to held Jerry Jones, he
got it right.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Look, historically, they've drafted pretty well there, they've done well
in freegency where they were dabbling freeency. They don't really
go after, you know, big price players, so they're very
patient in that regard. I've always respected how how they've
built their team because it is mostly through the draft.
They'll both try and you know, draft, develop and resign.
(25:26):
And you know, like this year this offseason, like they
signed Javonte Williams running back. He's not a big, big
money back, but they saw the skills they had in college.
They saw the skills they had with the Broncos street
knee injury, they took a chance on him and he's
having an outstanding year. He's running very similar the way
he did in North Carolina as far as he gets
a ton of yards after contact, and he had over
one hundred yards yesterday. Dak Prescott has always been a
(25:48):
very talented, efficient quarterback when he's healthy, and he's completely
healthy right now. You got Cede Lamb back, They've got
George Pickens, Jake Ferguson was an excellent draft pick, a
tight end. They have a lot of pieces of offense
at Cavante Turpin, who's who's a nice just as pure speed,
get down the field and even you know stretch people
even laterally with them and their round So they have
(26:08):
a lot of pieces there. And now it's just about
can we get enough stops on defense and that that's
that's been the issue early in the year. They got
enough yesterday against the Commanders, So you hope you can
keep building on that defense moving forward, because I think
and I think most people have said this even from
week one, the Cowboys are going to score. They were
even scoring when C. D. Lamb was out, so they're
going to move the ball, they're going to score. Great
(26:29):
credit to Brian Schottenheimer with what he's doing with the offense.
Just got to figure a way to get the more stops.
But you know, they're at three to three and one
right now and moving forward.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
How do you explain Trevor Lawrence's career.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
It's just been so inconsistent. There's so much physical talent
there as a passer, as an athlete, as a runner.
It's just been so up and down, and it's been
a lot of it's just been those those key big airs,
that interception at the wrong time, the strip flumbles the
wrong time. But don't forget and I know nobody wants
(27:03):
to hear about patience, but it is a new head coach,
it's a new offensive Liam Cohen. Things do take some time.
So they did some good things earlier in the year,
but it's going to take some time as we moved
through this with with the new head coach, slash coordinator
and quarterback. There's talent there. He just got to keep
working together on it. But yeah, it's just been I
(27:27):
don't want to say disappointing, because that's not that's not
quite the right word. But it's just been so inconsistent
because the highs have been really high and the lows
have been really low, and the somehow trying even those out.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You famously drafted Justin Herbert. Of course you didn't have that.
You didn't have a choice there where you could draft
threat draft Tua, who went right before you drafted Justin Herbert.
But when you watch where their careers are going, Tua
obviously massive struggle yesterday against Cleveland, And you know, Herbert
didn't have his best day, but he's he's why regard
(28:00):
as at least a top ten quarterback now kind of
looking back, what's your reaction to the disparities, And look,
you couldn't plan on to his injuries, but he was
injured a lot in college. Like one of the things
that people missed on him wasn't just a hip Like
he got hurt every year in college and usually got
hurt when he was trying to run away from people
and they caught him. They catch in college, they're going
(28:22):
to catch you in the pro. But what do you
think now, you know six years later, six seasons later,
where Herbert is a top ten guy and Tua is
going to be struggling to hold onto his job.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, we've talked about this before that in college in
the draft process. Yes, his durability and injury history, that
was a pretty big deal. The hip injury was a
significant injury that you know, we didn't know one hundred
percent that it would come back to one hundred percent.
Now it did, which is great, But he also had
a lot of other injuries and a lot of us
like you said, like he's a by NFL standards, he's
(28:56):
probably an average athlete. And when you're going to you know,
try and escape and move. I mean, the athletes of
the speed at this lever are so much faster. You
get caught, you can get hurt. So and we've seen
that now his play right now, like you're watching yesterday,
it's just like a total lack of confidence right now.
We've seen him play at a higher level, and we've
seen him play a higher level in that offense, but
(29:16):
right now it just seems like it's just a it's
a snowball running downhill and it's just turning and turning,
turning and get bigger and bigger. But with you know
what justin what you're looking at is and he saw
this yesterday with a couple of the plays. He's such
a big, fast and physical player that even when there's
pressure on him, he has the speed to get out
(29:36):
of the pocket and go pick up a chunk of yards.
Or he can take his left armor and just stiff
armor deep defensive lineman to the ground to give us
some extra time to make a throw. And if you're
going to play this position over the long term, and
if you're drafting a quarterback you're hoping for ten plus
years as your franchise quarterback, if you hit on it,
you're not going to have a proper offensive line every year.
You're not going to have a perfect offense every year.
(29:58):
So you're gonna have to make a lot of plays
on your own. And then yesterday, watching Tua throw the
ball in Cleveland where it's wet and it's windy, two,
it just doesn't have that elite arm strength to pierce
the ball through the winds of coming off Lake Erie.
And I think justin in that situation, a little bit
bigger arm, just the way same way Jim Kelly had
an arm perfectly for playing in Buffalo, New York. Big
(30:20):
strong can throw the ball through the winds. So to
yesterday it's a tough situation for him. He's a rhythm passer,
he's accurate, arbustrength is kind of average and it hurts
you playing the element. So but yeah, there are two
different styles of quarterbacks. But I do think to if
you get back in the right situation, can be productive
in this league. Right now, just team wise, it just
(30:42):
seems like team white. It's the confidence that's just really dying.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's a mess. It's a mess. Tell me is the
best man. Love having me on. Talk to you next week.
Thanks for our guest and talk towards radio.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
That's great, Doug. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
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Speaker 2 (31:32):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
All right, Doug, the game today is.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Big deal, little deal, no deal?
Speaker 5 (31:43):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal. That
we've got a game seven tonight in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's a really big deal. I mentioned this on our
group chat. I think it's a weird thing that when
they played in Seattle, it's like half like half Toronto fans.
And I get that Seattle is close to Canada, but
that's Vancouver, British Columbia. That's the other side of the
Canadian Earth. Like is Canada that united as a country
(32:12):
that they cheer for all the only Canadian baseball team.
I would think for you, Canada, you're better than us.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
We don't do that big deal, little deal or no deal.
That Mike McDaniel is sticking with two a tongue of
ilois is starting quarterback for week eight.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Little deal. I don't think he is a choice. I mean,
quittin yours not the answer, right, And they're paying them
a bunch of money. He's got, he's got a ride
or die with Tua. The reason he has the job
is because of Tua. Right, yes, Okay, so that's why
you got the job. That's why you keep the job.
Fix him if you want to keep your job.
Speaker 5 (32:44):
The other interesting portion of that was that Zack Wilson
was demoted and Quinn Yours was the backup yesterday and
Yours actually took a couple of snaps in that game
against the Browns. But there is Zach Wilson in Miami,
all right, Doug, big deal, little deal and no deal.
That the Colts cruise to pass the Chargers on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It felt like a big deal. Like, I know, the
Chargers are all banged up and they've lost three of
their last four, but I mean they were just better.
I'll also tell you this, I think they're really well coached.
There's part of their execution which like, ooh with it.
They know what they're doing. Not a perfect team, but
I mean Jonathan Taylor just changes them. What a what
a player he is when he's healthy, and their line
(33:23):
is really good. Yeah, I think it's a big deal
because you know, look, it's very normal to doubt a
quarterback who you know, just lost his job in New York.
It's very normal to doubt the Colts when they've been
bouncing around with this Antheiny Richardson deal. It's very normal
to doubt teams that were last place and or they
(33:44):
were second to last place or a third place in
your division. But and you think they're playing a soft schedule.
And again I'm not saying the Chargers are great, clear
they're not. I know they're not healthy, But it was
the thoroughness which which they were the better football team.
They were the better football team, and they were really
well coached yesterday.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Big deal, little or no deal that Florida State says
they will wait until after the season to evaluate head
football coach Mike norval.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I think it's a big deal, and I think it's
the right deal. I mean, they lost to Stanford obviously
this weekend, and it's a hard one because two years
ago they're undefeated, they lose their quarterback and they don't
get in the College for All playoff, and then last
year they have a disaster of a year. This year
start out hot and after the Virginia game, it's just
gone to hell. In a handbasket, gives him a chance
(34:28):
to see what he can do, gives them a chance
to kind of see the landscape. And oh yeah, by
the way, if you fire him, you lose your whole team.
I think it's actually a pretty smart thing to do,
even if they still want to move on from Norvelt.
Speaker 5 (34:40):
All right, big deal, little deal or no deal that
Texas Tech has now had to ask their fans to
stop throwing tortillas at football games, a tradition since the
nineteen nineties.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's no deal. Tortilla Tech is as s Taco Tech
has been a thing since I you mean since I
was in school, before us in school. It's kind of
their thing. It's kind of taken on a life its own.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
I think it's That's what's a shame about it is
that everybody else wanted to ban it in the Big twelve.
And now now the Red Raiders who are upset this
past weekend and are also banged up, now they they
lose that tradition, all right, Doug, big deal, A little
deal or no deal? That Rockets forward Kevin Durant is
now the all time NBA leader in career earnings with
(35:22):
over five hundred and ninety eight million dollars. Damn getting
that extension from the Rockets over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Half a billion dollars in career earnings, a big deal.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
That he passed Lebron, who, by the way, if Lebron
plays next year, could then pass Durant with his new contract.
Lebron's fire.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Is Lebron hurt or is Lebron injured? It's a real question.
Is he hurt or is the injured?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
I think he's hurting. And that's game time.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
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Speaker 1 (36:03):
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