July 19, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the New York Yankees and what is on the line for this team this year. Doug welcomes former NFL executive and current analyst Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about Caleb Williams, Saquon Barkley and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Nick Koop takes Doug through a game of "Psychic".
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the character's name in Jurassic Park who tried to reset
the computers. It was the guy who played Newman who
tried to reset and that's what happened to everybody. But nonetheless,
I am a brilliant, brilliant traveler, and I found a
way to get back to southern California so I could
surprise the guys on a Friday, only to remember just
(01:08):
how much stress and anxiety this town breeds because I
hate every single driver on the road. And I'm telling
you unequivocally it had all been erased in Green Bay.
If you haven't been at Green Bay, I know it's
cold in winter. I got it, I understand. But the
roads are built for football games, not for daily travel.
(01:29):
So there's no traffic ever, ever, ever, ever, And I
honestly this is gonna be If you've lived in southern California,
you'll know this to be a fact. I have encountered
the first ever motorcycle driver that decided to stay in
the carpool lane, and not just you don't even have
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to necessarily weave like some of those psychos do, just
get in the middle where you could just go through
traffic literally everything. But it's the whoever plays Newman. What's
that guy's name? Somebody Reese, what is it?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
In real life? It's Wayne Knight, Wayne Knight. His character's
name is something else will Chick And you remember, do
you remember?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Remember when he was trying to go and sell the
DNA of the dinosaurs and no one knew the code,
and that's what happened, So the entire world shut down
like literally the entire world shut down.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Dennis Nedrie is his character in Jurassic Park. Thank you, Nick.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And apparently it's like one company that does like cybersecurity
that hit a reset. It's like, ooh oops, imagine being
that guy that pressed that button, is like, yeah, we
got this. Uh well just pleasure this as refresh Windows
eighteen ninety three point zero. Anyway, good to be with you.
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It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio Live
in Los Angeles today at IRAQ dot com Studios. I
get to see the smiling face of Jason Stewart, Nick Cope,
and of I with Sam other people I don't even
know who they are that apparently have invaded this space
since I've left. But it's fine. Nonetheless, Okay, I wanted
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to start today with the Yankees Believe or Not. The
Yankees Believe or Not. And it's one of those things
where you know, I've kind of taken on that whole
coach like, yeah, I'm a coach now, so I take
on the whole coaching thing, right, and people, you know,
I tell guys all the time, like, well, we want
to be a leader. There's different leader stuff, right, different
leader stuff. Well, there's different ace stuff. And if you
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didn't know, the Yankees hit a bit of a rut
in the month of July, right, hit a bit of
a rut late in June and into July so much so.
And we talked about it that Brian Cashman's like, I'm
going on the road because you know that settles everything. Now,
they did take two of three from the Orioles, the
first place Orioles, the last series of the first half
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of the season. But our guy, can I call him
our because he was supposed to be an angel? Right, Remember,
everybody's like, Garrett Cole is going to be an angel
and he was like, nah, nope, no, nope. But Garrett
Cole who was He missed seventy five games. He wouldn't
have started all of them, but you do the math,
right somewhere in the twenty five, you know, and the
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twenty sort of variety. Anyway, he missed all those games
due to injury, slow to come back and since returning
his best start with his best velocity, his best stuff
was against the Orioles before the break. And what happens
with baseball, And I'm as guilty of it as anybody.
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I think Jason is somebody who's the opposite. Jason takes
every game as some sort of sign as to whether
his Dodgers are going to succeed in the postseason or
going to fail miserably. Yet again, is that fair? Jason's
had a fair depiction.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Maybe not, Maybe it's an exaggeration, but I see what
you're saying, right, I put a lot of weight in
the week to week.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Most of us just go like, yeah, it's baseball to
work itself out. Water finds this level. Dodgers, give me
the playoffs. Yankees going to be in the playoffs. It's fine,
it's fine. Whereas Jason and real hardcore fans are like, dude,
what's going on? Pitching injuries? We got to add somebody
now now, now can't have what we had last year,
where we kind of just sat in our hands and
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let it be because we want to spend a bunch
of money on show. Hey, well, the Yankees are kind
of in a similar scenario, right. They clearly got to
add some pieces, but they were cruising along and then
they hit a rut. Now Garrett Cole's back, and so
my point to it is, it's we used to call
it a Cologne game in the NBA, A Colonne game,
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by you don't put on Colone every day, you guys
put on Colone every day. Cologne every day, guys a lot.
It's like, I get it. You have Colone. You like
my son's fifteen. When you're fifteen, it's Colonne every day, okay,
But most of us it's once a week date night,
you had dressed real nice, maybe you got a meeting,
maybe the night before you ever had one of those
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days where you're like, you come home from work, You're like,
I stink. What did I forget to yoder end? Is
it this dry fit shirt? What is it? Right? So,
then the next day you overcompensate your shower, you shave,
you wanna make sure you put on a little clone.
A cologne game is It's that special game. It's the
one where you get your neck cleaned up. Right, You're like, oh,
hold on, I gotta get my neck cleaned up before
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I go out. Neck cleaned up Cologne. That's what the
Yankees have today.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They're facing the Rays, a team who has honestly dominated
them over the past decade or so, one of which
Garrett Cole has not been good against, and you know,
the principal, Brian Cashman, was on their last trip, right,
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so it it felt like it was getting serious and
now's the time to kind of deliver on it. The
Yankees have been brutal. Garrett Cole pitches tonight. True ace
stuff is in this game, you do the nuclear loose,
You announce your presence with authority, don't you.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It was.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's one of the things that and Jay, this is
where I will commiserate with people that say, you know Kershaw.
We used to when I was at one of the
other places, we would call him Clayton Manning, right, because
Clayton Kershaw was great in the regular season and not
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particularly good, especially once he got beyond the sixth inning
in the postseason. Called Clayton Manning much like Peyton Manning,
who's one of the greatest, if not the greatest, regular
season quarterback of all time. But the thing that made
Clayton kershawer has made Clayton Kershaw an ace despite the
fact he's had some failings, a lot of failings in
the postseason, is you know what, every fifth day, when
the Dodgers really needed that, dude picked up the ball
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and delivered. And I understand that postseason pitching is different,
and that to be one of the all time greats,
you got to be better in the postseason than Clayton
Kershaw was. But the point of it is that Kershaw
was a machine in the regular season, a machine, and
games like today for the Yankees are the types of
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games that made him the machine, that made him a legend,
that made him a first ballot Hall of Famer. I'm
not diminishing the importance of the playoffs, especially for pitchers,
because that's where they make themselves, you get legendary status.
But the fact is that Garrett Cole a guy who
shunned our Angels back when the Angels had some form
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of relevance, and he went to the Yankees, and now
he has a good team that's floundering, and he's coming
off his best start of the entire season, and a
lot of them against the Rays who have dominated him
and beaten up on the Yankees, and the Yankees really needed.
This is a stuff. This is a stuff Stut Gottlieb
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Speaker 1 (09:53):
The Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Do you guys remember
it was like a year ago when somebody closed to
Ryan Polts his dad, right, and his dad wanted to
rep him, and his dad was like, you know, I
don't know, I don't want to go to Chicago. You know,
he might go to school, back for school for another year.
And because he's from d C, he went to I
think he went to Gonzagau. He went to it's actually
(10:16):
called It's this is a weird one in the Poloue. Okay,
in the state of Washington, it's called Gonzega, Gownziega. Let
me let me hear sammy me, here's Gwenzega, gonz Gonziga, Gwnzega.
You're allowed to say Gonzaga. You're not allowed to say Gonzaga. Okay,
(10:38):
But I believe in d C and one, it's one
of the best private school leagues in basketball, and I
think in football in the country it's Gonzaga. Weird, right,
super weird. Same word, same country, same language, different pronunciation regardless. Anyway,
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so he's from the DC area, probably wanted to go
play for the Commanders. Now it still does not. I
feel like the Commanders are gonna be like the Brewers
and uh Brewers in the National League and Astros in
American League. It's just it's gonna take me a while
because I was about to say the Skins. I just
was anyway, So you remember all the stuff they said,
(11:26):
I mean, there was a there was a bunch.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well they were also saying that he's gonna he's going
to ask for ownership in the team.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
That drops ownership in the team, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
The agency that he's a part of is going to
get a piece of the team as well.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Sure, Sure, And then when they're like no, they're like, well,
we're not going to take offset offset language in the
contract and we want everything up front, signing bonus one
hundred percent paid out.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Caleb Williams got creative and imaginative this from an article
in his effort to secure a special terms and his
rookie deal with the Bears. In the end, he was
like Spalding at Caddyshack. God that that's too day to
reference for Nick copean for Iowa, Sam, isn't it? Sam?
You get that? What did Spalding get?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I want a hamburger, No a cheese.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I want a hot dog, I want a.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Milkshake, I want the tables, nothing like it. There you go.
I didn't get nothing. He got a fully guaranteed five
year contract. Okay, but the point is he did try.
He was like a Spalding there, I want a ham,
I want to guarantee, I want ownership, and I want
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to play for the commanders. No a cheese, and I
want all that? What was that? Judge Snails? What snails?
What's his real name? Night head? Night right? Nick? Do
you like that movie? Like I can already tell he
just he looked at me and he's like, not really.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
No, it's been a while since I've seen a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I understand. We've discussed this earlier this week. If you're
just joining us in the Doug Outley Show. Nick has
this great salt and pepper hair. So you walk in,
You're like, dude, you have no idea how old Nick is. Zero,
he's probably seventeen. He's not even of age. But as
I said, you have that salt and pepper look. First,
chicks dig it because it's dignified and like regal. Secondly,
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no one will ever know how old you are. You'd
be like sixty and you have salt pepper hair. They're like, dude,
you look like you still look the same. Look at
you thirty? So training camps do they all start Monday?
I know the packer starts Monday. Again when you live
in Green Bay, like, that's that's a big thing. And
I don't I don't think I have a bike. I
don't have a bike. I get spent like a lifelong dream.
(13:54):
I'm like, wouldn't you love to just go and have
one of the bikes and give your bike to packer
and have them ride it from uh the locker room
to the Don Hudson Center to the field there right
across from the bar, which is a restaurant. Like, no,
I think I gotta buy a bike? Am I too old?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Are they supposed to be? Like like little huffies? Little
kids bikes? They're probably supposed to be. I could California up,
California up. I could go get my Super seventy three
and like we could e bike it there. I'm I
gonna do that with Jordan Love, right, I mean Jordan
Love is a California guy. I grant Bakersfield sort of California. Right, Well,
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I'm thinking about that. Think about doing that. Playing a
hookie Monday. If you don't see me Monday, That's what
I'm doing. Like, where's Gottley? He bought a bike? He
bought a huffy? Do they still make huffies? I think
they do.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Think they do? What about a Shwin? I actually have
a great story I'm gonna share with you. Okay, there's
a real thing. So as as Jay Stu knows and
I was Sam, you know some like I I have
a great memory for factoids, for conversations for people. But
there are times in which I'm moving in shake and
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I forget things. When I was twelve years old, Easter
break Easter break back then was always Las Vegas basketball tournament.
Rode my bike to school. Dad picked me up from school,
immediately go to Vegas a week from that Monday. Okay,
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two mondays later, come back to school. But I go
into my garage to look for my bike. I'm like, mom,
somebody stole my bike. Turns out I left it locked
up at Lavide Elementary, So that's me. They do still
make coffies, okay. Good. Mark Dominic joins us here on
the Doug otleb Show on Fox Sport Trade. Of course,
Mark most famously okay, I guess most famously he joins
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us on the show. But next to that, he was
the gentlemenager of the Tampay Buccaneers. Twenty years in NFL
free office, free agent, I mean NFL offices, from scouting
all the way up obviously to be in the big Boss.
So Caleb Williams said, I might go back to school
for a year. Didn't want to play for the Bears.
Want an ownership stake. You know, he wanted this. He
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didn't want you know, he wanted some special terms in
his contract. You know, he basically got nothing but a
standard rookie deal. Granted number one pick. It's plenty of money,
and they did load up that offense. My question is,
does any of this does any negative feelings after the
contractor sign last.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
You know, Doug, thanks for having me on. And you know,
this is something everybody knew going into the process with
Caleb Williams. Agents were aware of this as Caleb Williams
was deciding who the agent was going to be, and
a lot of agents started to pass even though he's
the number one pick. The father and Caleb were looking
for things that were just never going to happen, especially
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for a rookie. And so that was one of the
things that was a little bit of a flag for
teams hearing that that was going to be a deal.
But here's the thing. The Bears aren't work going to buckle.
No club was going to buckle. And you kind of
knew that, and I think that's why the Bears went
head and obviously took Caleb Williams that they weren't going
to make this drastic change the contexts because you realized
the ratifications going forward, what that could do or what
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that could mean in terms of futuristic picks, especially guys
and the veterans of why we have the CBA. Have
the veterans didn't like how much the rookies were making
before they have stepped on the field in terms of
like bad blood or anything that, No, it should not
be at all. Ryan Poles should still you know, he
made the pick. If this is his quarterback, this is
his identity. I don't think that the negotiations should have
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changed anything. And thankfully if they got it done and
he's in camp and they'll be good to go.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Have you watched Hard Knocks off season with the New
York Giants.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I watched parts of it, Doug, I haven't seen it all,
but I've loved everything I've watched.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
What what have you? What specifically have you liked the most?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I thought it was interesting with Sake. I mean, I
think that was probably the more public part, was a
sake one Barkley. But I thought, you know, even they're
pick for Neighbors in terms of you know, when Dave
All came in and talked about how ex sci he
just got done watching Neighbors and what he thought of
him as a player, and you know, just the process
that a lot of people don't know. And I think
the unique thing about this Hard Knocks is it makes
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you know Joe Chane a person that's that's trying to
walk through the decisions for a story franchise and the
thing for the fan, you're like, okay, so it's not
just some dummy sitting in a road to do a
dart and said let's try and see what happened. There
was more of like, you know, you're trying to build
a consensus, You're trying to understand whatever he's thinking. You're
trying to do what you're coaching staff looking for, but
you're also listening your front office and the finnability factors
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and all the different things that happened as you walk
through the moves, whether it's free agency, draft, you know,
post draft. But with Barkley, I thought it was interesting
because I know you could sense as Sake one felt
good that you know there wasn't going to be a
franchise tag and I also felt like Sake one, you
know when you don't really get an off the club,
and you should know this when the club's that go
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out and see what it is and bring it back
to us and let us know. Well, if I'm a club,
if I'm Howie Roseman, Doug, here's the thing I say.
I'm going to present an offer to you, and you
have one hour to decide if you want it or not,
because I know what's going to happen. You're going to
turn around and try to shop it back to the
club you have and so this hour, this is a
one hour offer. If you take it, great, If you
don't want it, great, but you have to decide. And
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so this is where you've got to understand when a
player leaves an organization, you've got to put parameters on
how you're going to handle it. And that's how Saquon
Barkley became an Eagle because I think Harry Roseven did
a really good job in terms of probably framing it
where Saquon maybe didn't want to come back, but also
maybe didn't have a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I've talked about this for the last couple of days.
I'm glad you brought it up. The first first thing
is is the mistake not because they were a million
off at the end of it, right, they're basically a
million off. It's a very based upon reports, a very
similar deal at most Eagles will pay them a million
dollars more.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
So.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The first thing is, and I notice like in terms
of media, this happens all the time, where you know,
when you feel undervalued, even when they come up to
the number that you feel really really good about, you
still carry that with you. And I think that's the
point you're talking about with the Eagles right where you
still carry that wall like they don't really want you, do,
they don't worry want me do, they don't really respect me?
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Is that what you're getting at?
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Absolutely? I think you're exactly right. And so the problem
is the tide goes to the new team because you
feel disrespected about how it's all gone down, and it
took somebody else to say they want you to make
the original place say well, no, no, we want you to.
I mean, it happens to all of us in all
day life, right, everyday life. You know there might be
those kinds of situations you're like, well, wait a second,
why don't you just offer that in the first place,
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you didn't want to put anything in front of me,
And so you know, for me, if I was the Giants,
it's easy to sit there and take a step back
and say, but when I know the character, say, Kuon
Barkley is exceptional, when I look at the play and
the tape and know how important it is to win
this year and to find out whether we've got this
potential quarterback or we don't have this quarterback. You know,
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I know Joe said I don't want my forty million
dollar quarterback, you know, handing off to a twelve million
dollar running back. Well, you know what, Philadelphia says that
I got a fifty million dollar quarterback and they got
no problem handing it off to that same guy. And
so I think it's that important to be able to
establish that part of your game. And I think it's
going to hurt the Giants this year.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Okay, Now, now I'll take the opposite side and say,
I think this is a mistake from Saquon. From this standpoint,
you're no longer a Giant like ever, you know, And
I don't know. And this is I know this from
college athletics. I'm sure most people know from high school
athletics as well. Like it's one thing to transfer, it's
another thing to go from OU to Texas, or go
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from OSU to OU, or go from Arizona to Ucla
or go from Notre Dame to sc or et cetera.
Like he was a giant and as John Merraw said,
he arguably the most popular giant on the football team.
You go like you can leave anywhere. You go play
for the Eagles. You kind of first year, they'll they'll
be they'll, the fans will be nice. After that, you're
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not a Giant anymore, and nobody even remember that You're
drafted by the Giants and all of that sweat equity
you had is gone. And I think there's a value
in that, even if the Eagles are a far better
football team and football better run franchise.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Yeah, I think the hard part is the position he plays.
It's running back, and you have to treat this as
your business, as Sakuon Barkley's business. And how do you
secure as much financial security you possibly can during the
small window of an NFL career when you you know,
you realize it was twenty one, twenty two years to
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get to the window, and it's going to be forty
years outside the our fifty years after that window that
you got to, you know, hopefully a four to eight
year career where you can secure as many financial pieces
as you can. And I'm afraid I understand what you're saying.
There's one thing, like you know, Dallas uses it all
the time in negotiations. There's you know, you understand the
value of the star and the helmet, like what that brings,
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and you know other things that are around that from
marketing and promotions and all those different things. I think
say Quan has kind of played that game in the
New York market, and I think he looked at this
and said, I've got to run my business, and my
business says I'm going to make the most money I
can on the field, and I'll deal with that. And
I know what you mean in terms of like, boy,
it's the Eagles and the Giants. It's the same as
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you know, the Chiefs and the Raiders. You know, that's
that kind of thing, like you don't really leave to
that team. But I think this is one of those
ones where I almost think that take one took it
to say I'll show you and I'll.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'm sure I'm sure he did. I'm sure. Okay, so
let's get down to brass tacks. Which is the real
Eagles or maybe which is the real Jalen Hurts? You know,
you go back two years ago and it was yee,
they got in the playoffs, like yee, you go back
or that's three years ago, right, You go back two
years ago and he's sentially the best player in the league,
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and then last year it's okay, I know you have
a new play caller on both sides, but which one
is the real Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Yeah, I think it's a blend between last year and
the player of the year type of player. But the
thing is, when you look at Jalen Hurts, you've got
to always throw in the rushing touchdowns because that's such
a huge part of his game, and so that really
kind of skews the numbers more towards while a better
player than a lot when you sit there and say, well,
it's double digits touchdowns in terms of on the ground.
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He just has to, you know, clean up the interceptions
and can't turn.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
The ball over.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
This is a team that's got to be able to
win that way, and I think that's why they won Saque.
I think they wanted that for sure, guy that's big enough,
I can turn around hand to him or run pass options,
and that defensive coordinators have to respect that that ball,
make go and hits the Saquan's hands, either in the
flats or just coming downhill at you. And I think
that's a big piece of what they want to be
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and I think they feel like that's going to get
the best of Jalen Hurts as well. So I think
I think with Jalen, I think you're getting the blend,
which I think is obviously good enough to battle the
Dallas Cowboys for the division title and also battle the
forty nine ers for or whichever team, whether it's the
Packers or whichever tam you see for the NFC. So
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I think I think you're sticking the good Jalen Hurts.
I don't think this turns in the Carson Wentz for
the Eagles do the does.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It feels like Jordan Love is going to have a
new deal by the time camp starts. It just does
mean his there's a quiet confidence with with when he's
been asked about it. Brian Goodencun is kind of the
same thing that there's no there's no panic or no
freak out there is the number is the yearly average
going to be a four, three or four or five for.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
The first number, Oh, I think the first time that
will be a five I think of a deal done.
I don't think that Jordan. I think Jordan loves now
said last year, you know, we kind of split the
baby and bet on me and you guys bet on
me and boom. You know, I had the success early.
I had a little hiccup in between, but certainly towards
the end of the season we were running on full
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cylinders in Green Bay, and you know, made a nice
little run. And certainly with all the skill guys around
him that are so useful, it's for a GM you're
excited about doing that. I personally would like to get
into the season and get to Game eight and then
pull the trigger on the fifty to fifty five deal.
And I would sit there and say, now, if I
was in the negotiation, I might be a forty eight though,
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but I would tell them, if you get me to
game eight and you're doing what you did last year,
I'll take you to fifty five year. I got no problem.
So you've got to decide do you want to bet
on yourself or do you want the deal right now?
And if it's a five year, you know, two hundred
and thirty five million dollar contract, I can do that.
But if you want to go for five years, will're sixty,
give me eight games and let's see where we sit.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
circle back to Caleb Williams. Right, since we're talking Packers,
talk Bears. I go through the airport in Chicago today
and like five different Bears has like now it changes. Now,
we're going to get them now, right. I've just been
complete dominance in the last twenty five years coming out
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of Green Bay. They've revamped that offense dramatically, and it
started to look different when they change the offensive line,
and look, they changed the defense at the end of
last season with a trade. What are your thoughts on
Caleb Williams and his ability to compete immediately?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Well, he's going to get the job. I think it's good.
I personally, as much as Caleb Williams has lots of
pieces in his puzzle, I think it's going to be
a slower start than people realize. I think it's gonna
be a harder journey than people expect. I think that
you know a lot of people have talked up and
that's true. They have absolutely improved the offensive side of
the ball with the skilled players and the experience on
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that side of the ball, and to help Caleb Williams
be the best he can be. I still think the
processing is going to be harder than Caleb thinks, and
I think the beginning is going to be a tougher
journey than people say so. I'm not I'm not as
you know, guns in saying hey, look, Caleb Wills can
go in there and just start to light things up.
I think it's gonna be a little bit harder a journey.
I think you're going to see a lot of interceptions
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early his career, and I think you see a lot
of frustrations, and I think it's going to be very
interesting to see ken Caleb work himself out of that
frustration into the player he can be versus balls in
that trap and then kind of get sucked down a
hole of you know, angry Bears fans going, we did
it again, we missed. It's another Kate McNown we just
got the wrong guy, and it'll be She also watched
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the other quarterbacks around with these all these players that
were selected obviously five or six in the top twelve,
five of them are going to play pretty quickly how
they all compare, because I think that they're all going
to be watching each other stats too, and that's a
very dangerous game to play as a young quarterback in
the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Speaking of speaking of young quarterbacks, and you said you'd
watch the Giants thing. Any cause for concern with jade Williams,
where many people said his answers weren't correct, that he
didn't have the process of other quarterbacks. When you're sitting
down with whiteboard and.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Daniels, yeah, I wasn't as scared. I just think there's
something really special about him. I actually think he's going
to be the guy that when it's all said and done.
And this is very dangerous for me because you know,
you want to make a prediction and I'll hold to
it and we'll talk about it and if.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I'm wrong, hold on, are you doing a hot take?
I just feel I'm just kidding. I'm messing with you.
It's not a hot take when you've done this your
whole life, and it's an educated it's an educated guess
on what his potential is. But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I like Jadeen Daniels. I like those fits at the
coaching with Cliff Kingsbury, I like his skill set. I
think he's different, and I bet you that he's doing
better than people think. And I think he's going to
be the one that the reason to look back and
look at the Bears and go, we took the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
The only thing that people say about Cliff that's a
negative in the NFL is you don't protect your pastor
enough that that that Kyler was getting hit like crazy.
I don't know how much of that's Kyler with the
protections or how much of that is scheme that's you know,
your only fear there is if you don't get rid
of that thing quick, are you? Are you just getting
killed back there?
Speaker 6 (30:05):
And I think the goal is and this is where
I think that's where Arizona struggled with Kyler is maybe
he wasn't putting in the time and he should be
in terms of like this is where the ball goes
right now, and that's where you just got to trust.
This is the spot you throw it to. This is
open boom. And that's where I think there was frustration
with Kyler because I think they felt like he's not
taking the reads, he's not doing what he's supposed to do,
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and now he's looking bad because he's taken Zackson. Really
as we go through this during the week, he must
you know, that's where the whole contract was written, like
make sure you study your tape. You know. It's like, wow,
what a insult that is. But I think that was
part of the reason why Kyler, and that's probably part
of the reason why I didn't work with Cliffs there either,
is that there was a frustration in terms of do
what the play says and get that ball out of
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your hands.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Mark Dominic, you spent twenty years in NFL front officers
and scouting of course, former gentle managers tamp Bay Buccaneers.
He joins U weekly and always gives us some nuggets,
some morsels of things that we just makes the smarter
as football fans. Mark, thanks so much, join us have
a great week. We can't I apologize.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Probably talk some Brodny James, talk some tam Usa basketball
as well, maybe a little Caitlin Clarkson. He works in Indianapolis.
I have to tell you, like I do you know
how you guys know how I don't like All Star games.
So as much as I'll admit that I have watched
some WNBA basketball, I do, I call it like I
(31:34):
might hit my limit when we start going WNBA All
Star Game, Like, I just sorry, can't do it, can't
do it, can't do it. And anyone who says, Sam,
you may be the only one because you'll you'll watch
Caitlin tie her shoes and comment on it. Outside of that,
most any other guy would be like, yeah, okay, we
(31:57):
can't watch the men play these bs all Star games
where they don't play hard and it's terrible. We're gonna
watch women. No, sorry, not happened. Let's get to a game.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Show, Nick Cope, what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Today's game is Psychic, where we asked Doug to pure
into his crystal ball and tell us the future. So
Doug Tiger woods he missed the cut at the Open,
another miss cut, finished fourteen over yesterday and Covino and
Rich dan Byer filling in, He said he thinks Tiger
will be in contention at a major at least one
(32:38):
more time in his career. What about you, Doug, let's
say you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yes, there'll be one more, probably the Masters. That's one
which he can figure out a way to get around,
and he just can't. I mean, people forget after the
car crash he finished fourth. Yeah, it wasn't immediately after,
but it was the first really public display of Tiger.
So uh yeah, I'm with him in Contention, by the way,
(33:05):
is a very land term, right and gettention can be
a lot of things. But I still think he has
quote of the week with the comp Montgomery thing. Yeah, champion,
I get to make that decision he does, I do.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, by to for comparison, Phil Mickelson, he was just
about fifty one when he won the PGA a few
years ago. Tiger right now, he's forty eight. US men's
basketball team looked pretty good against Serbia earlier this week.
Couple more tune ups on deck. Kevin Durant close to
playing Doug, getting you on the record here. A week
out from the Olympics. Will the US win gold in Paris?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yes, but it will not be easy. Got a fairly
easy pool, like on a crazy hard draw. But I
think it'll be really competitive, and I honestly think Joel
embidill win him a game. I just do. And when
I mean win him a game, I mean round of eight, quarterfinals,
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semi finals, or finals. It'll win him a game. They
haven't had a legit center in forever and other teams
wear us out there. I think it win him again.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
South Sudan coming up tomorrow in a tune up Germany
on Monday before they play their first game on the
twenty eighth.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
All right.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Earlier this week, Brandon Auk requested trade from the forty
nine ers. He's still looking for that long term deal.
Will Ayuk be on the field in a forty nine
er uniform week one Monday night football against the Jets?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yes, yes, If the Niners are going to trade brande Uk,
they would have done a long time ago, not doing
it right before trade right before training camp. Like no,
then we got you this year and if we want,
we got franchise tag next couple of years. So I
he will be a Niner this year for sure and
then probably be on his way.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
And any chance he holds out though.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
For what like what is that you just don't make money? Yeah?
So no, and by the way, this is the year
if you know about those rookie contracts. This year, that's
the year he actually makes a lot of money. It's
weird how these guys do it. These guys wait until
the fifth year and then they go to hold that
like now you're gonna lose money. Whereas last year wouldn't
made a lot of money. The fourth year of a
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rookie deal, they don't make especially when he was drafted,
you don't make a ton of money.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
A couple million, few million. It's up to fourteen million
for him this year.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
All right.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yesterday the Clippers traded Russell Westbrook to the Jazz. He's
gonna agree to a contract buyout, a two time.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Member of the Jazz. Zero game play.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
He's got some against Salt Lake City. I guess he's
gonna sign with the Nuggets. So that's the plan. Are
the Nuggets favorites in the West again with Westbrook on
the team?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
No, I I think that's Oklahoma City. I think Oklahoma
City becomes the favorites, right. I really do shake Gills
Alexander in MVP conversation. You add to your bench with
you know, Caruso and Hartenstein. Hartenstein on the bench. I
think chet Holmgrenn takes a big stat I think Oklahoma
City is the favorite.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Finally, building off to Caleb Williams talk and your conversation
with Mark Dominic, do you Green Bay resident Doug Gottlieb
think the Bears will be a playoff team?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, I'm contractually obligated to tell you that the Bears stink.
They're always gonna stink. And the Green Bay and more
than Aaron Rodgers owns the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
That's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
What's that We're going to Bears camp? I said, now
they could wild card wild card wild Card possibility. Wild
card possibility. All right, coming back to the Doug Gottleeb
Show live here at the tyrack dot Com studios. Okay,
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the character's name in Jurassic Park who tried to reset
the computers. It was the guy who played Newman who
tried to reset and that's what happened to everybody. But nonetheless,
I am a brilliant, brilliant traveler, and I found a
way to get back to southern California so I could
surprise the guys on a Friday, only to remember just
(01:08):
how much stress and anxiety this town breeds because I
hate every single driver on the road. And I'm telling
you unequivocally it had all been erased in Green Bay.
If you haven't been at Green Bay, I know it's
cold in winter. I got it, I understand. But the
roads are built for football games, not for daily travel.
(01:29):
So there's no traffic ever, ever, ever, ever, And I
honestly this is gonna be If you've lived in southern California,
you'll know this to be a fact. I have encountered
the first ever motorcycle driver that decided to stay in
the carpool lane, and not just you don't even have
(01:52):
to necessarily weave like some of those psychos do, just
get in the middle where you could just go through
traffic literally everything. But it's the whoever plays Newman. What's
that guy's name? Somebody Reese, what is it?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
In real life? It's Wayne Knight, Wayne Knight. His character's
name is something else will Chick And you remember, do
you remember?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Remember when he was trying to go and sell the
DNA of the dinosaurs and no one knew the code,
and that's what happened, So the entire world shut down
like literally the entire world shut down.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Dennis Nedrie is his character in Jurassic Park. Thank you, Nick.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
And apparently it's like one company that does like cybersecurity
that hit a reset. It's like, ooh oops, imagine being
that guy that pressed that button, is like, yeah, we
got this. Uh well just pleasure this as refresh Windows
eighteen ninety three point zero. Anyway, good to be with you.
(02:49):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio Live
in Los Angeles today at IRAQ dot com Studios. I
get to see the smiling face of Jason Stewart, Nick Cope,
and of I with Sam other people I don't even
know who they are that apparently have invaded this space
since I've left. But it's fine. Nonetheless, Okay, I wanted
(03:10):
to start today with the Yankees Believe or Not. The
Yankees Believe or Not. And it's one of those things
where you know, I've kind of taken on that whole
coach like, yeah, I'm a coach now, so I take
on the whole coaching thing, right, and people, you know,
I tell guys all the time, like, well, we want
to be a leader. There's different leader stuff, right, different
leader stuff. Well, there's different ace stuff. And if you
(03:34):
didn't know, the Yankees hit a bit of a rut
in the month of July, right, hit a bit of
a rut late in June and into July so much so.
And we talked about it that Brian Cashman's like, I'm
going on the road because you know that settles everything. Now,
they did take two of three from the Orioles, the
first place Orioles, the last series of the first half
(03:56):
of the season. But our guy, can I call him
our because he was supposed to be an angel? Right, Remember,
everybody's like, Garrett Cole is going to be an angel
and he was like, nah, nope, no, nope. But Garrett
Cole who was He missed seventy five games. He wouldn't
have started all of them, but you do the math,
right somewhere in the twenty five, you know, and the
(04:18):
twenty sort of variety. Anyway, he missed all those games
due to injury, slow to come back and since returning
his best start with his best velocity, his best stuff
was against the Orioles before the break. And what happens
with baseball, And I'm as guilty of it as anybody.
(04:39):
I think Jason is somebody who's the opposite. Jason takes
every game as some sort of sign as to whether
his Dodgers are going to succeed in the postseason or
going to fail miserably. Yet again, is that fair? Jason's
had a fair depiction.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Maybe not, Maybe it's an exaggeration, but I see what
you're saying, right, I put a lot of weight in
the week to week.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Most of us just go like, yeah, it's baseball to
work itself out. Water finds this level. Dodgers, give me
the playoffs. Yankees going to be in the playoffs. It's fine,
it's fine. Whereas Jason and real hardcore fans are like, dude,
what's going on? Pitching injuries? We got to add somebody
now now, now can't have what we had last year,
where we kind of just sat in our hands and
(05:19):
let it be because we want to spend a bunch
of money on show. Hey, well, the Yankees are kind
of in a similar scenario, right. They clearly got to
add some pieces, but they were cruising along and then
they hit a rut. Now Garrett Cole's back, and so
my point to it is, it's we used to call
it a Cologne game in the NBA, A Colonne game,
(05:41):
by you don't put on Colone every day, you guys
put on Colone every day. Cologne every day, guys a lot.
It's like, I get it. You have Colone. You like
my son's fifteen. When you're fifteen, it's Colonne every day, okay,
But most of us it's once a week date night,
you had dressed real nice, maybe you got a meeting,
maybe the night before you ever had one of those
(06:02):
days where you're like, you come home from work, You're like,
I stink. What did I forget to yoder end? Is
it this dry fit shirt? What is it? Right? So,
then the next day you overcompensate your shower, you shave,
you wanna make sure you put on a little clone.
A cologne game is It's that special game. It's the
one where you get your neck cleaned up. Right, You're like, oh,
hold on, I gotta get my neck cleaned up before
(06:23):
I go out. Neck cleaned up Cologne. That's what the
Yankees have today.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
They're facing the Rays, a team who has honestly dominated
them over the past decade or so, one of which
Garrett Cole has not been good against, and you know,
the principal, Brian Cashman, was on their last trip, right,
(06:49):
so it it felt like it was getting serious and
now's the time to kind of deliver on it. The
Yankees have been brutal. Garrett Cole pitches tonight. True ace
stuff is in this game, you do the nuclear loose,
You announce your presence with authority, don't you.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It was.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's one of the things that and Jay, this is
where I will commiserate with people that say, you know Kershaw.
We used to when I was at one of the
other places, we would call him Clayton Manning, right, because
Clayton Kershaw was great in the regular season and not
(07:30):
particularly good, especially once he got beyond the sixth inning
in the postseason. Called Clayton Manning much like Peyton Manning,
who's one of the greatest, if not the greatest, regular
season quarterback of all time. But the thing that made
Clayton kershawer has made Clayton Kershaw an ace despite the
fact he's had some failings, a lot of failings in
the postseason, is you know what, every fifth day, when
the Dodgers really needed that, dude picked up the ball
(07:52):
and delivered. And I understand that postseason pitching is different,
and that to be one of the all time greats,
you got to be better in the postseason than Clayton
Kershaw was. But the point of it is that Kershaw
was a machine in the regular season, a machine, and
games like today for the Yankees are the types of
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games that made him the machine, that made him a legend,
that made him a first ballot Hall of Famer. I'm
not diminishing the importance of the playoffs, especially for pitchers,
because that's where they make themselves, you get legendary status.
But the fact is that Garrett Cole a guy who
shunned our Angels back when the Angels had some form
(08:36):
of relevance, and he went to the Yankees, and now
he has a good team that's floundering, and he's coming
off his best start of the entire season, and a
lot of them against the Rays who have dominated him
and beaten up on the Yankees, and the Yankees really needed.
This is a stuff. This is a stuff Stut Gottlieb
(08:57):
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. By the way, yeah,
have you guys, have you guys seen my new signee?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I I did not play those sound effects live dog
that's a vicious vicious that's not a puppy, that's a
vicious guard dog.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
That snoopy in there, that's vicious guard This is Vince
Lombardi or Vince LOMBARKI very nice, Vince Lombarkie. Anyways, Dougatlap
Show here on Fox Sports Track coming up next. Got
a bunch to get to I swear I had great
I had just great plans of surprising you guys with pizza,
and now it's all out the window, all at the window.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
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Speaker 1 (09:53):
The Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Do you guys remember
it was like a year ago when somebody closed to
Ryan Polts his dad, right, and his dad wanted to
rep him, and his dad was like, you know, I
don't know, I don't want to go to Chicago. You know,
he might go to school, back for school for another year.
And because he's from d C, he went to I
think he went to Gonzagau. He went to it's actually
(10:16):
called It's this is a weird one in the Poloue. Okay,
in the state of Washington, it's called Gonzega, Gownziega. Let
me let me hear sammy me, here's Gwenzega, gonz Gonziga, Gwnzega.
You're allowed to say Gonzaga. You're not allowed to say Gonzaga. Okay,
(10:38):
But I believe in d C and one, it's one
of the best private school leagues in basketball, and I
think in football in the country it's Gonzaga. Weird, right,
super weird. Same word, same country, same language, different pronunciation regardless. Anyway,
(10:58):
so he's from the DC area, probably wanted to go
play for the Commanders. Now it still does not. I
feel like the Commanders are gonna be like the Brewers
and uh Brewers in the National League and Astros in
American League. It's just it's gonna take me a while
because I was about to say the Skins. I just
was anyway, So you remember all the stuff they said,
(11:26):
I mean, there was a there was a bunch.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well they were also saying that he's gonna he's going
to ask for ownership in the team.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
That drops ownership in the team, yes, and.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
The agency that he's a part of is going to
get a piece of the team as well.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Sure, Sure, And then when they're like no, they're like, well,
we're not going to take offset offset language in the
contract and we want everything up front, signing bonus one
hundred percent paid out.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Caleb Williams got creative and imaginative this from an article
in his effort to secure a special terms and his
rookie deal with the Bears. In the end, he was
like Spalding at Caddyshack. God that that's too day to
reference for Nick copean for Iowa, Sam, isn't it? Sam?
You get that? What did Spalding get?
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I want a hamburger, No a cheese.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
I want a hot dog, I want a.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Milkshake, I want the tables, nothing like it. There you go.
I didn't get nothing. He got a fully guaranteed five
year contract. Okay, but the point is he did try.
He was like a Spalding there, I want a ham,
I want to guarantee, I want ownership, and I want
(12:45):
to play for the commanders. No a cheese, and I
want all that? What was that? Judge Snails? What snails?
What's his real name? Night head? Night right? Nick? Do
you like that movie? Like I can already tell he
just he looked at me and he's like, not really.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
No, it's been a while since I've seen a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I understand. We've discussed this earlier this week. If you're
just joining us in the Doug Outley Show. Nick has
this great salt and pepper hair. So you walk in,
You're like, dude, you have no idea how old Nick is. Zero,
he's probably seventeen. He's not even of age. But as
I said, you have that salt and pepper look. First,
chicks dig it because it's dignified and like regal. Secondly,
(13:33):
no one will ever know how old you are. You'd
be like sixty and you have salt pepper hair. They're like, dude,
you look like you still look the same. Look at
you thirty? So training camps do they all start Monday?
I know the packer starts Monday. Again when you live
in Green Bay, like, that's that's a big thing. And
I don't I don't think I have a bike. I
don't have a bike. I get spent like a lifelong dream.
(13:54):
I'm like, wouldn't you love to just go and have
one of the bikes and give your bike to packer
and have them ride it from uh the locker room
to the Don Hudson Center to the field there right
across from the bar, which is a restaurant. Like, no,
I think I gotta buy a bike? Am I too old?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Are they supposed to be? Like like little huffies? Little
kids bikes? They're probably supposed to be. I could California up,
California up. I could go get my Super seventy three
and like we could e bike it there. I'm I
gonna do that with Jordan Love, right, I mean Jordan
Love is a California guy. I grant Bakersfield sort of California. Right, Well,
(14:32):
I'm thinking about that. Think about doing that. Playing a
hookie Monday. If you don't see me Monday, That's what
I'm doing. Like, where's Gottley? He bought a bike? He
bought a huffy? Do they still make huffies? I think
they do.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Think they do? What about a Shwin? I actually have
a great story I'm gonna share with you. Okay, there's
a real thing. So as as Jay Stu knows and
I was Sam, you know some like I I have
a great memory for factoids, for conversations for people. But
there are times in which I'm moving in shake and
(15:06):
I forget things. When I was twelve years old, Easter
break Easter break back then was always Las Vegas basketball tournament.
Rode my bike to school. Dad picked me up from school,
immediately go to Vegas a week from that Monday. Okay,
(15:28):
two mondays later, come back to school. But I go
into my garage to look for my bike. I'm like, mom,
somebody stole my bike. Turns out I left it locked
up at Lavide Elementary, So that's me. They do still
make coffies, okay. Good. Mark Dominic joins us here on
the Doug otleb Show on Fox Sport Trade. Of course,
Mark most famously okay, I guess most famously he joins
(15:51):
us on the show. But next to that, he was
the gentlemenager of the Tampay Buccaneers. Twenty years in NFL
free office, free agent, I mean NFL offices, from scouting
all the way up obviously to be in the big Boss.
So Caleb Williams said, I might go back to school
for a year. Didn't want to play for the Bears.
Want an ownership stake. You know, he wanted this. He
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didn't want you know, he wanted some special terms in
his contract. You know, he basically got nothing but a
standard rookie deal. Granted number one pick. It's plenty of money,
and they did load up that offense. My question is,
does any of this does any negative feelings after the
contractor sign last.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
You know, Doug, thanks for having me on. And you know,
this is something everybody knew going into the process with
Caleb Williams. Agents were aware of this as Caleb Williams
was deciding who the agent was going to be, and
a lot of agents started to pass even though he's
the number one pick. The father and Caleb were looking
for things that were just never going to happen, especially
(16:55):
for a rookie. And so that was one of the
things that was a little bit of a flag for
teams hearing that that was going to be a deal.
But here's the thing. The Bears aren't work going to buckle.
No club was going to buckle. And you kind of
knew that, and I think that's why the Bears went
head and obviously took Caleb Williams that they weren't going
to make this drastic change the contexts because you realized
the ratifications going forward, what that could do or what
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that could mean in terms of futuristic picks, especially guys
and the veterans of why we have the CBA. Have
the veterans didn't like how much the rookies were making
before they have stepped on the field in terms of
like bad blood or anything that, No, it should not
be at all. Ryan Poles should still you know, he
made the pick. If this is his quarterback, this is
his identity. I don't think that the negotiations should have
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changed anything. And thankfully if they got it done and
he's in camp and they'll be good to go.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Have you watched Hard Knocks off season with the New
York Giants.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
I watched parts of it, Doug, I haven't seen it all,
but I've loved everything I've watched.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
What what have you? What specifically have you liked the most?
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I thought it was interesting with Sake. I mean, I
think that was probably the more public part, was a
sake one Barkley. But I thought, you know, even they're
pick for Neighbors in terms of you know, when Dave
All came in and talked about how ex sci he
just got done watching Neighbors and what he thought of
him as a player, and you know, just the process
that a lot of people don't know. And I think
the unique thing about this Hard Knocks is it makes
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you know Joe Chane a person that's that's trying to
walk through the decisions for a story franchise and the
thing for the fan, you're like, okay, so it's not
just some dummy sitting in a road to do a
dart and said let's try and see what happened. There
was more of like, you know, you're trying to build
a consensus, You're trying to understand whatever he's thinking. You're
trying to do what you're coaching staff looking for, but
you're also listening your front office and the finnability factors
(18:43):
and all the different things that happened as you walk
through the moves, whether it's free agency, draft, you know,
post draft. But with Barkley, I thought it was interesting
because I know you could sense as Sake one felt
good that you know there wasn't going to be a
franchise tag and I also felt like Sake one, you
know when you don't really get an off the club,
and you should know this when the club's that go
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out and see what it is and bring it back
to us and let us know. Well, if I'm a club,
if I'm Howie Roseman, Doug, here's the thing I say.
I'm going to present an offer to you, and you
have one hour to decide if you want it or not,
because I know what's going to happen. You're going to
turn around and try to shop it back to the
club you have and so this hour, this is a
one hour offer. If you take it, great, If you
don't want it, great, but you have to decide. And
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so this is where you've got to understand when a
player leaves an organization, you've got to put parameters on
how you're going to handle it. And that's how Saquon
Barkley became an Eagle because I think Harry Roseven did
a really good job in terms of probably framing it
where Saquon maybe didn't want to come back, but also
maybe didn't have a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I've talked about this for the last couple of days.
I'm glad you brought it up. The first first thing
is is the mistake not because they were a million
off at the end of it, right, they're basically a
million off. It's a very based upon reports, a very
similar deal at most Eagles will pay them a million
dollars more.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
So.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
The first thing is, and I notice like in terms
of media, this happens all the time, where you know,
when you feel undervalued, even when they come up to
the number that you feel really really good about, you
still carry that with you. And I think that's the
point you're talking about with the Eagles right where you
still carry that wall like they don't really want you, do,
they don't worry want me do, they don't really respect me?
(20:20):
Is that what you're getting at?
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Absolutely? I think you're exactly right. And so the problem
is the tide goes to the new team because you
feel disrespected about how it's all gone down, and it
took somebody else to say they want you to make
the original place say well, no, no, we want you to.
I mean, it happens to all of us in all
day life, right, everyday life. You know there might be
those kinds of situations you're like, well, wait a second,
why don't you just offer that in the first place,
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you didn't want to put anything in front of me,
And so you know, for me, if I was the Giants,
it's easy to sit there and take a step back
and say, but when I know the character, say, Kuon
Barkley is exceptional, when I look at the play and
the tape and know how important it is to win
this year and to find out whether we've got this
potential quarterback or we don't have this quarterback. You know,
(21:05):
I know Joe said I don't want my forty million
dollar quarterback, you know, handing off to a twelve million
dollar running back. Well, you know what, Philadelphia says that
I got a fifty million dollar quarterback and they got
no problem handing it off to that same guy. And
so I think it's that important to be able to
establish that part of your game. And I think it's
going to hurt the Giants this year.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Okay, Now, now I'll take the opposite side and say,
I think this is a mistake from Saquon. From this standpoint,
you're no longer a Giant like ever, you know, And
I don't know. And this is I know this from
college athletics. I'm sure most people know from high school
athletics as well. Like it's one thing to transfer, it's
another thing to go from OU to Texas, or go
(21:44):
from OSU to OU, or go from Arizona to Ucla
or go from Notre Dame to sc or et cetera.
Like he was a giant and as John Merraw said,
he arguably the most popular giant on the football team.
You go like you can leave anywhere. You go play
for the Eagles. You kind of first year, they'll they'll
be they'll, the fans will be nice. After that, you're
(22:06):
not a Giant anymore, and nobody even remember that You're
drafted by the Giants and all of that sweat equity
you had is gone. And I think there's a value
in that, even if the Eagles are a far better
football team and football better run franchise.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Yeah, I think the hard part is the position he plays.
It's running back, and you have to treat this as
your business, as Sakuon Barkley's business. And how do you
secure as much financial security you possibly can during the
small window of an NFL career when you you know,
you realize it was twenty one, twenty two years to
(22:42):
get to the window, and it's going to be forty
years outside the our fifty years after that window that
you got to, you know, hopefully a four to eight
year career where you can secure as many financial pieces
as you can. And I'm afraid I understand what you're saying.
There's one thing, like you know, Dallas uses it all
the time in negotiations. There's you know, you understand the
value of the star and the helmet, like what that brings,
(23:02):
and you know other things that are around that from
marketing and promotions and all those different things. I think
say Quan has kind of played that game in the
New York market, and I think he looked at this
and said, I've got to run my business, and my
business says I'm going to make the most money I
can on the field, and I'll deal with that. And
I know what you mean in terms of like, boy,
it's the Eagles and the Giants. It's the same as
(23:26):
you know, the Chiefs and the Raiders. You know, that's
that kind of thing, like you don't really leave to
that team. But I think this is one of those
ones where I almost think that take one took it
to say I'll show you and I'll.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I'm sure I'm sure he did. I'm sure. Okay, so
let's get down to brass tacks. Which is the real
Eagles or maybe which is the real Jalen Hurts? You know,
you go back two years ago and it was yee,
they got in the playoffs, like yee, you go back
or that's three years ago, right, You go back two
years ago and he's sentially the best player in the league,
(24:00):
and then last year it's okay, I know you have
a new play caller on both sides, but which one
is the real Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Yeah, I think it's a blend between last year and
the player of the year type of player. But the
thing is, when you look at Jalen Hurts, you've got
to always throw in the rushing touchdowns because that's such
a huge part of his game, and so that really
kind of skews the numbers more towards while a better
player than a lot when you sit there and say, well,
it's double digits touchdowns in terms of on the ground.
(24:29):
He just has to, you know, clean up the interceptions
and can't turn.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
The ball over.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
This is a team that's got to be able to
win that way, and I think that's why they won Saque.
I think they wanted that for sure, guy that's big enough,
I can turn around hand to him or run pass options,
and that defensive coordinators have to respect that that ball,
make go and hits the Saquan's hands, either in the
flats or just coming downhill at you. And I think
that's a big piece of what they want to be
(24:53):
and I think they feel like that's going to get
the best of Jalen Hurts as well. So I think
I think with Jalen, I think you're getting the blend,
which I think is obviously good enough to battle the
Dallas Cowboys for the division title and also battle the
forty nine ers for or whichever team, whether it's the
Packers or whichever tam you see for the NFC. So
(25:13):
I think I think you're sticking the good Jalen Hurts.
I don't think this turns in the Carson Wentz for
the Eagles do the does.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
It feels like Jordan Love is going to have a
new deal by the time camp starts. It just does
mean his there's a quiet confidence with with when he's
been asked about it. Brian Goodencun is kind of the
same thing that there's no there's no panic or no
freak out there is the number is the yearly average
going to be a four, three or four or five for.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
The first number, Oh, I think the first time that
will be a five I think of a deal done.
I don't think that Jordan. I think Jordan loves now
said last year, you know, we kind of split the
baby and bet on me and you guys bet on
me and boom. You know, I had the success early.
I had a little hiccup in between, but certainly towards
the end of the season we were running on full
(26:04):
cylinders in Green Bay, and you know, made a nice
little run. And certainly with all the skill guys around
him that are so useful, it's for a GM you're
excited about doing that. I personally would like to get
into the season and get to Game eight and then
pull the trigger on the fifty to fifty five deal.
And I would sit there and say, now, if I
was in the negotiation, I might be a forty eight though,
(26:26):
but I would tell them, if you get me to
game eight and you're doing what you did last year,
I'll take you to fifty five year. I got no problem.
So you've got to decide do you want to bet
on yourself or do you want the deal right now?
And if it's a five year, you know, two hundred
and thirty five million dollar contract, I can do that.
But if you want to go for five years, will're sixty,
give me eight games and let's see where we sit.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
circle back to Caleb Williams. Right, since we're talking Packers,
talk Bears. I go through the airport in Chicago today
and like five different Bears has like now it changes. Now,
we're going to get them now, right. I've just been
complete dominance in the last twenty five years coming out
(27:08):
of Green Bay. They've revamped that offense dramatically, and it
started to look different when they change the offensive line,
and look, they changed the defense at the end of
last season with a trade. What are your thoughts on
Caleb Williams and his ability to compete immediately?
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Well, he's going to get the job. I think it's good.
I personally, as much as Caleb Williams has lots of
pieces in his puzzle, I think it's going to be
a slower start than people realize. I think it's gonna
be a harder journey than people expect. I think that
you know a lot of people have talked up and
that's true. They have absolutely improved the offensive side of
the ball with the skilled players and the experience on
(27:48):
that side of the ball, and to help Caleb Williams
be the best he can be. I still think the
processing is going to be harder than Caleb thinks, and
I think the beginning is going to be a tougher
journey than people say so. I'm not I'm not as
you know, guns in saying hey, look, Caleb Wills can
go in there and just start to light things up.
I think it's gonna be a little bit harder a journey.
I think you're going to see a lot of interceptions
(28:09):
early his career, and I think you see a lot
of frustrations, and I think it's going to be very
interesting to see ken Caleb work himself out of that
frustration into the player he can be versus balls in
that trap and then kind of get sucked down a
hole of you know, angry Bears fans going, we did
it again, we missed. It's another Kate McNown we just
got the wrong guy, and it'll be She also watched
(28:30):
the other quarterbacks around with these all these players that
were selected obviously five or six in the top twelve,
five of them are going to play pretty quickly how
they all compare, because I think that they're all going
to be watching each other stats too, and that's a
very dangerous game to play as a young quarterback in
the National Football League.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Speaking of speaking of young quarterbacks, and you said you'd
watch the Giants thing. Any cause for concern with jade Williams,
where many people said his answers weren't correct, that he
didn't have the process of other quarterbacks. When you're sitting
down with whiteboard and.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Daniels, yeah, I wasn't as scared. I just think there's
something really special about him. I actually think he's going
to be the guy that when it's all said and done.
And this is very dangerous for me because you know,
you want to make a prediction and I'll hold to
it and we'll talk about it and if.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I'm wrong, hold on, are you doing a hot take?
I just feel I'm just kidding. I'm messing with you.
It's not a hot take when you've done this your
whole life, and it's an educated it's an educated guess
on what his potential is. But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (29:31):
I like Jadeen Daniels. I like those fits at the
coaching with Cliff Kingsbury, I like his skill set. I
think he's different, and I bet you that he's doing
better than people think. And I think he's going to
be the one that the reason to look back and
look at the Bears and go, we took the wrong guy.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
The only thing that people say about Cliff that's a
negative in the NFL is you don't protect your pastor
enough that that that Kyler was getting hit like crazy.
I don't know how much of that's Kyler with the
protections or how much of that is scheme that's you know,
your only fear there is if you don't get rid
of that thing quick, are you? Are you just getting
killed back there?
Speaker 6 (30:05):
And I think the goal is and this is where
I think that's where Arizona struggled with Kyler is maybe
he wasn't putting in the time and he should be
in terms of like this is where the ball goes
right now, and that's where you just got to trust.
This is the spot you throw it to. This is
open boom. And that's where I think there was frustration
with Kyler because I think they felt like he's not
taking the reads, he's not doing what he's supposed to do,
(30:25):
and now he's looking bad because he's taken Zackson. Really
as we go through this during the week, he must
you know, that's where the whole contract was written, like
make sure you study your tape. You know. It's like, wow,
what a insult that is. But I think that was
part of the reason why Kyler, and that's probably part
of the reason why I didn't work with Cliffs there either,
is that there was a frustration in terms of do
what the play says and get that ball out of
(30:47):
your hands.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Mark Dominic, you spent twenty years in NFL front officers
and scouting of course, former gentle managers tamp Bay Buccaneers.
He joins U weekly and always gives us some nuggets,
some morsels of things that we just makes the smarter
as football fans. Mark, thanks so much, join us have
a great week. We can't I apologize.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Probably talk some Brodny James, talk some tam Usa basketball
as well, maybe a little Caitlin Clarkson. He works in Indianapolis.
I have to tell you, like I do you know
how you guys know how I don't like All Star games.
So as much as I'll admit that I have watched
some WNBA basketball, I do, I call it like I
(31:34):
might hit my limit when we start going WNBA All
Star Game, Like, I just sorry, can't do it, can't
do it, can't do it. And anyone who says, Sam,
you may be the only one because you'll you'll watch
Caitlin tie her shoes and comment on it. Outside of that,
most any other guy would be like, yeah, okay, we
(31:57):
can't watch the men play these bs all Star games
where they don't play hard and it's terrible. We're gonna
watch women. No, sorry, not happened. Let's get to a game.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Show, Nick Cope, what's the game today?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Today's game is Psychic, where we asked Doug to pure
into his crystal ball and tell us the future. So
Doug Tiger woods he missed the cut at the Open,
another miss cut, finished fourteen over yesterday and Covino and
Rich dan Byer filling in, He said he thinks Tiger
will be in contention at a major at least one
(32:38):
more time in his career. What about you, Doug, let's
say you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yes, there'll be one more, probably the Masters. That's one
which he can figure out a way to get around,
and he just can't. I mean, people forget after the
car crash he finished fourth. Yeah, it wasn't immediately after,
but it was the first really public display of Tiger.
So uh yeah, I'm with him in Contention, by the way,
(33:05):
is a very land term, right and gettention can be
a lot of things. But I still think he has
quote of the week with the comp Montgomery thing. Yeah, champion,
I get to make that decision he does, I do.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, by to for comparison, Phil Mickelson, he was just
about fifty one when he won the PGA a few
years ago. Tiger right now, he's forty eight. US men's
basketball team looked pretty good against Serbia earlier this week.
Couple more tune ups on deck. Kevin Durant close to
playing Doug, getting you on the record here. A week
out from the Olympics. Will the US win gold in Paris?
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yes, but it will not be easy. Got a fairly
easy pool, like on a crazy hard draw. But I
think it'll be really competitive, and I honestly think Joel
embidill win him a game. I just do. And when
I mean win him a game, I mean round of eight, quarterfinals,
(34:04):
semi finals, or finals. It'll win him a game. They
haven't had a legit center in forever and other teams
wear us out there. I think it win him again.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
South Sudan coming up tomorrow in a tune up Germany
on Monday before they play their first game on the
twenty eighth.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
All right.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Earlier this week, Brandon Auk requested trade from the forty
nine ers. He's still looking for that long term deal.
Will Ayuk be on the field in a forty nine
er uniform week one Monday night football against the Jets?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yes, yes, If the Niners are going to trade brande Uk,
they would have done a long time ago, not doing
it right before trade right before training camp. Like no,
then we got you this year and if we want,
we got franchise tag next couple of years. So I
he will be a Niner this year for sure and
then probably be on his way.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
And any chance he holds out though.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
For what like what is that you just don't make money? Yeah?
So no, and by the way, this is the year
if you know about those rookie contracts. This year, that's
the year he actually makes a lot of money. It's
weird how these guys do it. These guys wait until
the fifth year and then they go to hold that
like now you're gonna lose money. Whereas last year wouldn't
made a lot of money. The fourth year of a
(35:15):
rookie deal, they don't make especially when he was drafted,
you don't make a ton of money.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
A couple million, few million. It's up to fourteen million
for him this year.
Speaker 5 (35:23):
All right.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Yesterday the Clippers traded Russell Westbrook to the Jazz. He's
gonna agree to a contract buyout, a two time.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Member of the Jazz. Zero game play.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
He's got some against Salt Lake City. I guess he's
gonna sign with the Nuggets. So that's the plan. Are
the Nuggets favorites in the West again with Westbrook on
the team?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
No, I I think that's Oklahoma City. I think Oklahoma
City becomes the favorites, right. I really do shake Gills
Alexander in MVP conversation. You add to your bench with
you know, Caruso and Hartenstein. Hartenstein on the bench. I
think chet Holmgrenn takes a big stat I think Oklahoma
City is the favorite.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Finally, building off to Caleb Williams talk and your conversation
with Mark Dominic, do you Green Bay resident Doug Gottlieb
think the Bears will be a playoff team?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
No, I'm contractually obligated to tell you that the Bears stink.
They're always gonna stink. And the Green Bay and more
than Aaron Rodgers owns the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
That's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
What's that We're going to Bears camp? I said, now
they could wild card wild card wild Card possibility. Wild
card possibility. All right, coming back to the Doug Gottleeb
Show live here at the tyrack dot Com studios. Okay,
so what are the flaws to Team USA? And oh yeah,
by the way, Brownie James has put two good games together.
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