December 10, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug agrees with head coach Nick Sirianni when he told a philly talk show host that it is "ridiculous" to ask if Jalen Hurts will be replaced as starter this season. Doug compares the college football product now with the product of yesteryear. Doug welcomes FOX Sports College Football analyst RJ Young onto the show to discuss the CFP and the changes that might be needed. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse".
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
We had eighteen years now, four fifteen years, three networks,
four different locations. The something man I'm I was just
I was just reading about Indiana's linebacker in Dukeway, who
looks like he's gonna miss the remainder of the season.
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Got hurt celebrating. God, that's the kind of buyer. That's
kind of stuff that happens to my angels and to
our chargers. Right, you get hurt celebrating, That's exactly what happened.
That happened. Okay, got a metric ton to get get
you ready for I do think there's some post mortem
for Monday Night football. It was Chargers versus the Eagles,
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and Jalen Hurts had five turnovers, two on one play
and in overtime he threw an interception that ultimately, ultimately
they didn't ultimately that that ended the game. And I
bring it up because, well, first, there's a radio conversation
between Nick Siriani and UH and some hosts on a
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Philadelphia radio station, which was just an interesting back and forth.
I won't play for you, and I'll just kind of
give you my mind that this is actually a really
good kind of coaching discussion in terms of coaching one
on one. Here's Nick Sirianni on his radio had asking
about what they can do with Jalen Hurts. Is there
a possibility later this season if he continues to struggle,
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that you can make a change at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
No, I think that's ridiculous. You know, I think you
know Jalen Hurts. I know every time I go out
in that field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we
have a chance to win the game.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. So I there's a couple things to it. First,
just the idea that you're going to replace Jalen Hurts
is just it's it's so laughable. And while you might say, hey,
look you gotta go by how you're playing this year,
not how what you've done in total like that, that's fair.
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Like just because a guy makes a ton of money,
just because he's been your starter, does not mean he
has to always be your starter. Like nothing is in
fact forever. And some guys can be I don't know
if you want to say flash in the pan, but
some guys can be good for a short period of
time but struggle long term. We do know that Sam
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Howell and Tanner McKee are the backup quarterbacks of the
Philadelphia Eagle. Like I thought, Nick Sirianni handled it really well.
And this is something that when you're a coach, sometimes
you're asked dumb questions and you have to treat them
as legitimate questions. I have to treat them as legitimate questions. Yeah,
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they've lost three in a row. This is the same
team that started the season four No started seemingly every
year really well, and every year we do have this
discussion about you know, Jalen Hurts not a great pass
for the football, but he's got six interceptions all year.
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He protects the football all year. He took you to
two Super Bowls one to one. What are we really
talking about now. One of the things that Jalen Hurts
that I noticed is that last throw when he's rolling
right and he throws it to the end zone and
the Chargers just make a great play and an interception
was he didn't set his feet and because he didn't
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set his feet, maybe he threw it more quickly than
he would have had he set his feet, thinking he
gets sneaked in there, or maybe it didn't have just
the right amount of oomph and he didn't layer the
throw perfectly to get it in there. So there are
some fundamental things you can clean up. It also should
be pointed out that aj Brown dropped for the balls,
including one that led to an interception. But quarterback in
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point guard are two very similar positions. You got to
get everybody on the same page. And it's not as
much about your play. Your play is important, a lot
of it is about your leadership. It's a position of leadership,
and leadership comes with belief, faith, trust, all those all
those buzz and the second that players sense you don't
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believe in another player, especially when their quarterback are running back.
That kills their ability to lead. Quarterbacks have to an
edity play that they throw the football. Tell three or
four players. You may think you're open, but you weren't.
I'm going to somebody else. And the only way that
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works in the hierarchy of football is if the coach
has the quarterbacks back, no matter what. So I don't
love Nick Sirianni's theatrics. I haven't loved some of the
kind of trash talking, especially to fans. I don't do that.
I haven't loved all parts of the Nick siriani experience.
But I respect immensely that when his quarterback doesn't play
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well and the team's not playing well, it's really easy
to go like, yeah, anything's possible. Nothing, it's not possible.
It's not gonna be discussed, not gonna happen. This is
the same guy let us to a super Bowl victory
last year. He led us to a super Bowl going
back to his second year in the NFL. There's no
reason to believe that we need to make some dramatic changes.
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We just simply need to play better. And if you
can't accept that, you don't understand how sports work, especially
positions of leadership, because even if you pull him out
for a series, it kills his ability to lead. If
you offer up the possibility that you may make a change,
it kills his ability to lead.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You have to have.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Complete, publicly, complete and total undying faith, and you have
to do it in front of your team. Now in
the offseason, can you go, can we get somebody better?
Can we draft somebody young to challenge him so that
if this continues, we have another option? Maybe, but right
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now they don't have that option. Right now. They're too
deep into a season. Let's not go crazy. It's not
like the season is lost. They're right there. They've won
plenty of big games this year, and in years in
the past. He's played well in those BEG games, even
the Super Bowl loss. I thought he played exceptionally well
going back like half five years ago. So I just
think we get to this and this is what sports
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fans have become the fire everybody, you know, this is
what's happened in the sec Like you have a disappointing
year or disappointing start, and boom your fires. Let's get
her to this guy and get to the next guy
as quickly as possible and see if he can breathe
hope into our lives. That's not gonna happen. It's the
same thing with players. If you just keep consistency is key,
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you get more because at least you know what he can't,
what his ceiling is, what his floor is. As opposed
to a new guy, you just do not. And if
you want any sort of leadership going into the playoffs,
you can't undercut that leadership by offering up the possibility
of pulling him so Siriani can be a wild man
on the sidelines. You know, the expressions are a lot,
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the gyrations, the talking trash to fans, some of the
things he's said in front of a microphone don't love.
But the fact is he is nailing this one, nailing it,
nail it. And you can say, hey, he can't show
throw the ball thirty five times, I'd agree with you
that's not who he is. He's got to run the
football more. I'd agree with you that that's got to
be who he is. But the idea of jumping ship
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on Jalen hurts when he's going through a batter like
Mahomes isn't playing, well, why are we not talking about
pulling Mahomes. Well, he's won a bunch of Superls, ERTs
has been to two one to one. What are we
doing here? He's in his prime athletically. If you're going
to make dramatic changes, if you're gonna think about that
level of change, one you gotta have something better than
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the Ruster and two you can't do it this time
of the year. And three you got a guy who
just won a Super Bowl. It's gonna look terrible for
the entire organization if that happens. The only thing that
can change my mind on it is if he walked
in as people in the Midwest and South lies with
the big head right with he walked in arrogant as
can be all year long, never accountable, not my fault,
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things don't go wrong, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So I just anyone who thinks otherwise has never been
around a real sports team on things you just can't do.
And again I'll draw parallel to my team. I have
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a kid who coming into the year thought he'd be
one of my best players, not playing particularly well. But
I've told myself, like he knows he's not playing well,
he's he's a better basketball player than that. I'm not
gonna take him out of the lineup because he's not playing well,
because we know what his ceiling is like, we know
what he what his floor is like. If this is floor,
we're good. We're really good.
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You know, I had to read. That is what he
meant byer. We're gonna talk with with r J. Young
in a moment about the upcoming college football playoff, and
I'm gonna give r J credit for something that I
did not see coming. Uh. It's the he was right,
I was wrong, which is the opposite of last year.
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But you and I are old enough to truly speak
on the previous era of college football, right like we're
the ESSENTI of the same age. We both have the
same level of passion. You were in the Midwest, I
was in the West Coast. And one of the fallbacks
for people who like to talk about the new era is, well,
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the numbers are up, so no matter what you say,
more people want to watch. So it must be the
right decision to have conference tree alignment, have the College
Foball Playoff, do things the way they're doing with the portal. Hey,
the numbers are up. And my counter to that is
a pretty simple counter, which is, show me a metric
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that shows that football viewing on television, regardless of level.
I would guess that high school football ratings are higher
than they've ever been. They're mini school comparison to college
which are half of the NFL ratings in comparison. But
America loves watching football on TV. That's been a well
established fact. The only time we don't like watching football
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on TV is when it's non name brands in the
spring and you try and make a spring league. So
my point is there's no control group to tell us
if in fact this is the right path. It's the
path that we're taking regardless. But without any control group,
what are you saying other than oh, the ratings are better,
so it must be more popular.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is that kind of an open ended question.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, it's a question to you. Just you're a huge
college fotball fan. I'm a huge college football fan. I
just I know it will never happen. Okay, I do
a show our station in Wichita they have me on,
and I think you've made this argument before. I know
Jason Stewart has, and I just made the total argument,
which is, hey, look, okay, they're never going to have
less college football teams in the playoff. There's never going
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to be fewer teams in the NCAA tournament. There's never
going to be less regular season NBA or Major League
Baseball games. There's never gonna be less teams in the
Major League Baseball playoffs. These things are not because the
more games, the more inventory, the more money, and everything
takes more money, and live sports is the most valuable
thing on television. Okay, so I'm not saying that it's
going to go back, but I do think realistically, if
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we had the old sec ACC Pac ten, Big ten,
Big Eight, we'd have the same value at the same
level of viewership, if not greater, and it'd be easier
to pick out who the best team in each league was,
and we'd have a much cleaner sense of the playoff.
And oh yeah, by the way, we'd have much more
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regional rivalries, which are kind of going the way of
the Dodo.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
No.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I agree with that the changes in college football have
been so many and so drastic that we got some
of what we want, some of what we didn't want,
and some of what we never expected. But I would
think that the expanded playoff has gone on ever since
I was or I have been a fan of college football,
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where we were dying back in the eighties and nineties
just to get the top two ranked teams to play
each other in a bowl game, because that wasn't necessarily
a given. Then we got a step where hey, we
could play one versus two and then guess what, Now
we're going to expand to a playoff of four teams.
Now we're gonna exp Like all of that is good
progress to your point about where the conferences are now,
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we've always wanted, I guess, more access to a championship,
but not in the form of these super conferences for
what we've seen, and I think that's a tough part
of for at least for me, and I actually think
that it maybe you would have had higher ratings if
the old conferences would have stayed to your point of
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the Big eight being what it was in the Pac
twelve what it was. But I think we're getting now
what we've always wanted, and not that we're splitting hairs,
but we're still just trying to consume all of this
in a way that makes sense and makes us happy.
And quite honestly, if we were to take a step back,
I think a lot of us would be happy with
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what we have. But we're sitting here worrying about a
Miami team and a bad conference in a Notre Dame
team that may have been one of the better five team,
you know, top five teams in football. However, their resume
didn't show that. And so that's like, I actually think
a majority of what we got is really good for
college football, but some of this other stuff is just
popping up.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I would agree. I feel bad for Stephen Daily you
see that. I know you reported that story that he's
going to miss the College twelve playoff. I mean the
kids celebrating high fiving people in the stands Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, the video is not like you could tell that
it was he landed on the turf and something turned
and something twisted, and yeah, just.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now again, reality is if you're and again I don't
know if it's an ACL, I don't know, but he
was carted off. When he's carved off, they had the knee.
They were taking care of the knee. So if your
ACL goes when you're slapping five to people and it
gives in the turf, it was probably gonna go anyway.
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But gosh, that's just awful.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, you would also think that because that's an interesting
spot on the field like that probably wouldn't have been
a spot doug where the groundskeepers would make sure that
everything is in place, you know what I mean, Like
it's right at the border because he's trying to reach
up to the stands that are you know what at
you know, seven eight nine feet up from the ground,
so you're trying to jump up and give him a
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high five. Like obviously the playing surface is going to
be fine, but that's like right at the edge of
the surface. And you wonder if that's maybe a reason
why he ended up coming down on the injury or
on the leg the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I don't know, like I this is this is a
weird one. But we had the Horizon League meetings at
Lucas Oil and they had showed us that they had
just red when they had when the Colts weren't there
for two weeks. They had just repelleted the turf, make
it softer. They just put more of the the you know,
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the the recycled car tires that that's what the little
pellets are. You know, they just made like just redone
it and they redo it for big games whatever, and
they kind of rake it. There's a sort of painstaking,
painstaking way in which they have to kind of go
through that. But but god, that's just terrible. Like, dude,
starting defensive lineman for the number one ranked team is
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out for the year, celebrating and it wasn't like he was.
When you say celebrating winning the Big Ten championship, you're like, oh,
all right, he was out slugging beers and then put
his head through a car window, Like no, he's literally
slapping fives with random fans. That is the worst luck
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in sports I can remember from a truly sixth cessful
team that has had an unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Season II five.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
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Speaker 4 (18:12):
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Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Uh R J. Young is a Fox Sports college football podcaster,
analyst and the host of the Number One Show podcast
on Fox Sports. He joins us and h R J
and I have gone back and forth about the University
of Oklahoma. He's been a fan. He believed in Brett
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Menival's last year. I thought they were an interesting team
in the league. I didn't think they could win in
and they did not. I didn't see it this year,
despite the fact they had revamped that defense, and you know,
early on it was about quarterback and then quarterback comes
back from injury. They lose to Texas and it looked
like they were going to fold up shop, and what
do they know, They're in the playoff. They get a
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rematch with Alabama. RJ. This is my way of saying,
you were right, I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Hey, we're one and one, Doug. You know you're right
about him. Last year they went six and seven. They
used to Navy.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We're even, brother, fair enough, I'll be even with you. Okay,
So what do you think of the overall bracket.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
I think that for the most part, we're going to
watch Oregon stomp out James Madison.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Right.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I think it gets really interesting with Texas A and
m and Miami because that's basically the Notre Dame game. Right,
both of those teams beat Notre Dame. They're going to
face each other, and then it feels like everything's going
to fall in the way that it should. Like. I'm
very interested as you are with an eight nine matchup.
I think is really great. Oklahoma and Alabama really interesting.
Note on the Brent Minniles part of that, But for
the most part, I mean, the guy it right, the
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name shouldn't be in it. Alabama. Okay, sure, fine, if
that's what you gotta do. You don't want to penalize
them for the SEC championship game, I'll let you have that.
But I also think that we just need an extended bracket.
I think we need to go to twenty four teams.
Twenty four teams, that's right, twenty four.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now we're I mean, that's a lot of football games, dude,
So tell me how, tell me how, tell me how
it works, because again, right now, you're talking about the
champions playing what is it? Is it sixteen games? They'll play?
The champions potentially play in sixteen, could play seventeen games,
depending on the team, but most of them, you know,
if they get to buy, it'll be sixteen games. So
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I mean, again, how many games are we adding there?
We're adding what how many teams going to how many
team is going to buy in your twenty four team bracket?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
The top eight, the top eight's still going to buy
and they get a home game. We get sixteen home games,
which I think is great because college football on campus
is exactly what we want and it is the greatest
spectacle in all of sports that college football games that
mean something to the playoffs and who gets into the championship.
But the way in which you get this gune. You
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get your four best teams from each of the power
forward based on the standings right, so the PAC twelve
when it comes online would also be a group of sixteen.
But you get top four a SEC, top four Big twelve,
top four best EC right A so far, and then
you get the two best G six teams, which is
left up the committee, and then you get your six
at large teams. So Notre Dame doesn't have to cry
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and take its football home. They get there at large
bid because they be one of those teams they get selected.
And as far as how many games we're planned, I'm
I mean, I'm asking this honestly and not really trying
to be sarcastic about it. You do you not like football?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
No, no, no, no, no, no, I I do R J
R J. You're just not gonna be able to field teams.
They get so beat up you can't field teams. I mean,
it's just the reality of it. You're just not I mean,
you're goet. You're gonna you're gonna have backup quarterbacks, backup
running backs, backups everywhere. You don't have the bodies. You
just can't.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
I think I think we will have the bodies because
they're gonna be one hundred and five players on the roster,
all of them are on scholarship, and all of them
are going to be getting nil money. Are we gonna
be spinning the herd at the bottom. Absolutely, You're gonna
have very, very competent football teams like the labor No
he noticed this, but the labor force has gotten really
skill it all of a sudden, right. We got older players,
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we got players that know how to play, and we
got coaches that are figuring out how to coast their
teams deep into the playoffs. But Georgia and Ohio State
don't play a lot of football because they engineer their
football teams to be efficient playing the game. I'm not
I'm not gonna buy that one. I'm not gonna buy that.
The untilled labor part of this is gonna hold it up.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, I again, I I just be honest with you again.
If you talk to football people, they'll tell you it's
too many games. Say they talk too many games, and
then and then the other they'll tell it's too many games.
Because remember you like you're still gonna have the conference
championship games. Those aren't going away because they make money, right,
so you're still gonna have it, I mean, and then
we could go through the standings things. But just the
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idea of that many number of football games, I would
be very, very surprised because once you get to like
seventeen eighteen games like not happening, it's too it's it's
too much. And then there's the other factors with it,
which is okay, the one home game I do. I
agree with you. I love the first round on home sites.
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That's awesome. After that, once you get to Christmas break,
you can't do that number of games. Also for fans,
they can't travel that much. Remember, these games haven't been
all as hot a tickets as we think they are.
And I know that it's essentially a television sport, but
college football, as you know, is different. It's a lot
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of it is about that atmosphere, and you're not gonna
have the atmosphere. When you're like, all right, we've got
four rounds of playoffs, which game do we go to?
You can only afford so much. Something's got to give,
so all right, we'll get to well, we can do
that in the offseason that in the offseason, let's just
talk about Oklahoma, a team that you have believed in
when others did not. What do you think of the
fact that they have to play Alabama yet again?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
I think that Alabama should be terrified and breadventable. That's
what I think. He's five to zhero in rematching of
this kuy and going back to two thousand when they
played Kansas State the second time. Every time he gets
to see a team a second time in the year,
he beats them and the number of points they scored
goes down. And there's also like where it's a championship defense,
right We've seen this year in and year out. Explosive
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offenses do not win national championships alone. You have to
have a top five scoring defense to go get it done.
And Oklahoma's playing like a top five scoring defense. And
more than the point, it's got a defense that can
score points. Right now. Are you expecting to get three
takeaways against Alabama again? No, but you didn't expect it
the first time and didn't expect to pick six. So
what it comes back to is can John Matteer return
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to the kind of form that he showed in the
first three games of the season, because if he does that,
then you're talking them into being a national championship team.
Right now, I want to see what team shows up
on December nineteenth. I'm very high on this team. I
love Breavinimles called in the plays and I think they're
finally taking on his attitude of no, we just want
to line up and we just want to beat you down.
Can we do that? Cool? Because if we're going to
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do that, it's going to be fine. When Oklahoma tries
to get cute and I mean this offensively, then they're
in trouble.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Miami Texas surname. Who do you like?
Speaker 6 (25:06):
And I really like an m I like Marcel Reid.
He's just too up and down. Try to past six
in the session against South Carolina. Need to come back
those twenty seven point they'rebody talking about it being a
great comeback. No, No, you were down thirty to three.
That's the take care. Miami has the second best defensive
line on their side of the bracket, right I really
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love Corey Heatherman's defense. They get after people. That front
is as good as Texas Tech is, as good as
Georgia is, as good as Ohio State so I'm gonna
pick Miami for one more caveat. If Mario Cristo Baal
has to make clock management decisions, they're toast.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Did de Lucia Okay?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
No, I said if Mario Christaball, yeah again, I just
want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I want to cut you off. You know, it's Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I know you
care again, I know you care. You have great passion
r J Young Jinius. It's the number one show. It's
podcast on Fox Sports. You got to check it out.
It's awesome. I know you care. Why do you think
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there's so much less buzz? Or at least that's my
perception of it. I could be wrong. So much less
buzz about the Heisman Trophy this year as opposed.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
To previous years, because there's no real star, there's no
breakout stars. There's no Caleb Williams, there's no Jade Daniels
going for thirty four hundred and twelve hundred. I think
that we have really consitioned college football to be about
head coaches. And I've said this for years. We have
such a transient population, kind of like college basketball. If
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I'm being honest, and that if you don't know me
or someone likes me who follows the sport as closely
as we do, you have a hard time just knowing
who's on your team or who your starting quarterback is.
So Diego Pavia, who I think would win the Heisman
any other year. It's just a guy to a lot
of other people. Julian San is just the dude that
gets the keys to the best offense in a Maria,
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and the best player in the sport is Jeremiah Smith,
and he's nowhere to be seen on these ballots. I
honestly think that the Heisman is done and do a
good job of getting behind players. I think it wants
everybody to get behind it, and that's that's a losing proposition,
especially when fans already have their idea who you thinks
should win it and it no longer means what he
used to.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Great point. I'm with you. Dan Byron and I discussed
this yesterday. We're like, who's the best college ball player
like Jeremiah Smith? Why not give the award to him?
I don't. It's like we got to give it to
and then if we wait till after the college fall playoff,
we're very likely to overreact to whoever plays, Well, it's
probably gonna be the quarterback whatever team wins it, right,
Like that's which is what it's gonna be with Mendoza anyway.
(27:43):
It's just it's just weird. What's happened to this? This
this uh, this fabulous award. R. J. Young is our guest. Okay,
in in your dreams the second round, okay, looks like
I mean, I mean, we don't think the power of
the what is that? What are the ones called the
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James Madisons and the two lanes? Do they have?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Do they? Yes? They have a fighting chance. I think
that Tulane is a good football team, but they're playing
an old miss team that beat the snot out of
them and looks like beating the snot out of them again.
They just outclass them. Same thing is true of Oregon.
I think the only way that Games Madison can actually
turn this into a game they win is frankly, playing
Oregon football. You're gonna have to run the ball a
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bunch and you're gonna have to get the ball back
quickly by getting off the field on third down each
and every time. And even then you probably talk about
a one score game where Oregon still has an explosive
player too, where they can beat you. I mean they
got they can beat you special teams, they can beat
you in the kicking game, and Dante Moore doesn't make
a habit of throwing the football to other people. It's
it would be unfair to say they don't have a chance,
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But if you're expecting blowouts, I would be looking for
both of those games.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Last thing, can you believe that in the second year
of this true playoff, Indiana is the number one overall seed,
like in all the stories, the number one overall seed. Again,
I don't think they're going to win it. I personally
am not sure they're the best team, but when they
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played Oregon, they beat him. When they played Ohio State,
they beat him. Like, I don't really you can't take
any of that away from them. But of all the stories,
I can't think of any that's bigger than that.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
And I think that is also rounding out the point
that we were making about the Heisman Trophy, right, Like,
if I asked you to name another player on that
team not named for Nana Mendoza, I don't think that
many people could do it, right, And that's that's the
point is, how does the number one ranked team in
the country have only one guy you recognize and a
coach who's ubiquitous? Right, everybody knows Kurt signety name. But
(29:52):
if you ask me in twenty twenty two if this
is a possibility, I tell you absolutely not. It's the
room in a football program, FBF history and being the
number one ranked teams going to a college football playoffs.
Absolutely not. But it is one of the things that
I think is really really cool about this era of
college football. You can have five and seven Texas Christians
turn into a national champion, national title runner up. You
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can have Indiana flip it's an entire roster in a
year back to back and still be just as good. Now,
that's one of the reason we looked to the coaches
and not to the players. But no, I could not
believe it if you told me two years ago, and
even now I'm trying to educate people. Doug, that's the
best team in the sport dog that I'm not laying
(30:34):
that on Thick. It's me watching them. They get off
the ball, they got I think the best offensive line
in football. They fly to the football on defense, and
D'Angelo Ponds did everything he could to keep Jeremiah Smith
and Carnell Tay in check, and he did what everybody
else couldn't do, just do it long enough to where
they could score one briggin touchdown right by Yet I
(30:54):
take that back, Texas did it. Texas did in week one.
Nobody else has been able to do that. So if
they get asked anybody else, come on, man, like who
else is in their way? Georgia, who don't they could
beat them? That's the question I would ask, like, can
we not get passed the part where their number one?
But who would you pick to beat them? Right now?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean again, I so much of it is about
name brands and they're breaking through. And look the other
part too, it is they're really well funded, they have
really good players, and they're really really well coached, and
they it's I wouldn't pick it. How can you pick
anybody to beat them? Because nobody has beaten them, you know,
quality utter back play, quality running game, as you point
(31:34):
as you point out, I mean the big thing is upfront.
They're awesome and they're athletic in the defensive backfield.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
One note that I actually want to put in your
brain to just think about the rest of the way
through this playoff. Look at the SEC, Look at the
Big Ten. The last two national champions have come out
of the Big Ten. It's been back to back years
that the SEC has also been boxed out of the
national championship game. That happens the third time. The balance
of power has shifted north in the Mason diction line,
and we haven't seen that in quite sometimes. That I
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think is also fascinating, and Indiana is at the front
of that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
No question. I also think it's that, you know, I'm
sure you heard that podcast with Coach oh where he
was talking about paying players back in the day, you know,
bringing in money through the back, like everyone in the
sport knew that the SEC was buying guys a long
time ago. Now the Big Ten can legally buy guys like, hey,
a little bit different sport. What's that The old Dion
(32:26):
Sanders line ain't no fun when the Rabbits got the gun.
RJ the best appreciate you taking my, uh my apology,
and we'll talk to you very soon.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
All right, brother, talk soon.
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This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Anyway you got b Doug. The game today is for
better or worse? All right? For better or worse? Whose
unretirement is gonna turn out better or worse? Joe Flaco
versus Philip Rivers. What's which one is better or worse
than the other are going to be when it's all
said and done.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
God, I want it to be. I wanted to be
Philip Rivers, but I think, uh, for Phil Rivers is
gonna be worse because when he was done, he was done,
arm was shot. He's never been able to move, whereas
Joe Flacco has. You know, he got one team to
the playoffs and then this year he just kind of
stabilized the Bengals. I'm gonna go Philip Rivers worse.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You won He did win, yeah, you he won one game.
But it was a game that everybody saw because it
was a Thursday night contest, and yeah, there have been
more high points for Flaco for sure. For Better or
Worse Doug Week fifteen primetime game Vikings Cowboys versus Steelers Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Dolphin Steelers is better, like we've talked about it, Like
the Dolphins haven't been horrible, still not completely out of
the playoff mix, and the Steelers got to win this game.
I think Dolphins Steelers.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I think that there's playoff implications, but I also think
the Cowboys being a draw. Seeing what happens with JJ
McCarthy in primetime is another conversation. And while the Vikings
aren't going to make the postseason, there's still still that
deal to deal with, all right. For Better or Worse
Doug College Football Playoff Bracket, last year's bracket with Boise
and Arizona State getting buys versus this year's bracket with
(35:51):
James Madison and Tulane being in the field, it's better
or worse?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
This year's backet's better. I mean, you had those teams
that were not really competitive and and now it allowed
them to be slightly more competitive because they're playing teams
coming off of the game, so they were a little
bit beaten up, but this year's a.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Better I'm gonna ask guy was Sam this question as well? Sam?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Do you like last year's bracket better or this year's
bracket better? I think I'm gonna lean towards this year's
bracket a little bit, A little bit. I think last
year gave us some good matchups. Now the games didn't
turn out to be good, but Tennessee, Ohio State was
such a conversation piece.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
That was a blowout Indiana Notre Dame leading up to it. Again,
it was in a close game, but still there was excitement.
And then the quarterfinals provided us with uh. I mean,
Arizona State, Texas was quite the game.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I have noticed James Madison social media talking a little ish,
a little trash with Oregon. That'll end well and that's fun.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Let's do it. That's the thing about Dan Lanning and
Oregon and Oregon fans. They never like take things like
over the top or they never have a chip on
their shoulder, never take especially never, never at all. They'll
never use something to be that isn't something to use
it as motivation. They never do that to win like
sixty ninety three. No, never right for better or worse,
(37:11):
Big brand left out of the bracket? What's worse that
Notre Dame? Or what's better or worse Notre Dame not
in the college football playoff? Or when Duke isn't in
the NCAA tournament for men's basketball.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Better or worse? For for what?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Just?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Is the tournament worse when Duke's not in? Is the
college football playoff worse when Notre Dame's not in?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
The college basketball tournament? Is worse when Duke's not in? Okay,
the College Faball playoff will survive. Is it better when
Notre Dame is in? Yeah? Yeah, same with Texas. But
it's it's they haven't been in plenty of times, and
it's fine without Duke. It's they're just a draw, a massive.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Draw, all right? For better or worse? The offseason? Major
League Baseball's versus the NBA.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Well, the NBA has been better over the last decade.
It used to be. When I first started in radio,
first ten years was all hot, Stovely was amazing. I'd say,
you know, in last year everything was kind of delayed
as well. They grinding those guys on price. I'm gonna
go NBA NBA offseason a lot more drama far more interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
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Pet A Lonzo's polar Bear versus Jack Nicholas's Golden Bear.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Nothing beats the Golden Bear. Nothing beats the Golden Bear.
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We had eighteen years now, four fifteen years, three networks,
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I was just reading about Indiana's linebacker in Dukeway, who
looks like he's gonna miss the remainder of the season.
(01:01):
Got hurt celebrating. God, that's the kind of buyer. That's
kind of stuff that happens to my angels and to
our chargers. Right, you get hurt celebrating, That's exactly what happened.
That happened. Okay, got a metric ton to get get
you ready for I do think there's some post mortem
for Monday Night football. It was Chargers versus the Eagles,
(01:23):
and Jalen Hurts had five turnovers, two on one play
and in overtime he threw an interception that ultimately, ultimately
they didn't ultimately that that ended the game. And I
bring it up because, well, first, there's a radio conversation
between Nick Siriani and UH and some hosts on a
(01:45):
Philadelphia radio station, which was just an interesting back and forth.
I won't play for you, and I'll just kind of
give you my mind that this is actually a really
good kind of coaching discussion in terms of coaching one
on one. Here's Nick Sirianni on his radio had asking
about what they can do with Jalen Hurts. Is there
a possibility later this season if he continues to struggle,
(02:08):
that you can make a change at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
No, I think that's ridiculous. You know, I think you
know Jalen Hurts. I know every time I go out
in that field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we
have a chance to win the game.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah. So I there's a couple things to it. First,
just the idea that you're going to replace Jalen Hurts
is just it's it's so laughable. And while you might say, hey,
look you gotta go by how you're playing this year,
not how what you've done in total like that, that's fair.
(02:46):
Like just because a guy makes a ton of money,
just because he's been your starter, does not mean he
has to always be your starter. Like nothing is in
fact forever. And some guys can be I don't know
if you want to say flash in the pan, but
some guys can be good for a short period of
time but struggle long term. We do know that Sam
(03:07):
Howell and Tanner McKee are the backup quarterbacks of the
Philadelphia Eagle. Like I thought, Nick Sirianni handled it really well.
And this is something that when you're a coach, sometimes
you're asked dumb questions and you have to treat them
as legitimate questions. I have to treat them as legitimate questions. Yeah,
(03:32):
they've lost three in a row. This is the same
team that started the season four No started seemingly every
year really well, and every year we do have this
discussion about you know, Jalen Hurts not a great pass
for the football, but he's got six interceptions all year.
(03:53):
He protects the football all year. He took you to
two Super Bowls one to one. What are we really
talking about now. One of the things that Jalen Hurts
that I noticed is that last throw when he's rolling
right and he throws it to the end zone and
the Chargers just make a great play and an interception
was he didn't set his feet and because he didn't
(04:16):
set his feet, maybe he threw it more quickly than
he would have had he set his feet, thinking he
gets sneaked in there, or maybe it didn't have just
the right amount of oomph and he didn't layer the
throw perfectly to get it in there. So there are
some fundamental things you can clean up. It also should
be pointed out that aj Brown dropped for the balls,
including one that led to an interception. But quarterback in
(04:40):
point guard are two very similar positions. You got to
get everybody on the same page. And it's not as
much about your play. Your play is important, a lot
of it is about your leadership. It's a position of leadership,
and leadership comes with belief, faith, trust, all those all
those buzz and the second that players sense you don't
(05:05):
believe in another player, especially when their quarterback are running back.
That kills their ability to lead. Quarterbacks have to an
edity play that they throw the football. Tell three or
four players. You may think you're open, but you weren't.
I'm going to somebody else. And the only way that
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works in the hierarchy of football is if the coach
has the quarterbacks back, no matter what. So I don't
love Nick Sirianni's theatrics. I haven't loved some of the
kind of trash talking, especially to fans. I don't do that.
I haven't loved all parts of the Nick siriani experience.
But I respect immensely that when his quarterback doesn't play
(05:51):
well and the team's not playing well, it's really easy
to go like, yeah, anything's possible. Nothing, it's not possible.
It's not gonna be discussed, not gonna happen. This is
the same guy let us to a super Bowl victory
last year. He led us to a super Bowl going
back to his second year in the NFL. There's no
reason to believe that we need to make some dramatic changes.
(06:11):
We just simply need to play better. And if you
can't accept that, you don't understand how sports work, especially
positions of leadership, because even if you pull him out
for a series, it kills his ability to lead. If
you offer up the possibility that you may make a change,
it kills his ability to lead.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
You have to have.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Complete, publicly, complete and total undying faith, and you have
to do it in front of your team. Now in
the offseason, can you go, can we get somebody better?
Can we draft somebody young to challenge him so that
if this continues, we have another option? Maybe, but right
(06:52):
now they don't have that option. Right now. They're too
deep into a season. Let's not go crazy. It's not
like the season is lost. They're right there. They've won
plenty of big games this year, and in years in
the past. He's played well in those BEG games, even
the Super Bowl loss. I thought he played exceptionally well
going back like half five years ago. So I just
think we get to this and this is what sports
(07:15):
fans have become the fire everybody, you know, this is
what's happened in the sec Like you have a disappointing
year or disappointing start, and boom your fires. Let's get
her to this guy and get to the next guy
as quickly as possible and see if he can breathe
hope into our lives. That's not gonna happen. It's the
same thing with players. If you just keep consistency is key,
(07:38):
you get more because at least you know what he can't,
what his ceiling is, what his floor is. As opposed
to a new guy, you just do not. And if
you want any sort of leadership going into the playoffs,
you can't undercut that leadership by offering up the possibility
of pulling him so Siriani can be a wild man
on the sidelines. You know, the expressions are a lot,
(08:02):
the gyrations, the talking trash to fans, some of the
things he's said in front of a microphone don't love.
But the fact is he is nailing this one, nailing it,
nail it. And you can say, hey, he can't show
throw the ball thirty five times, I'd agree with you
that's not who he is. He's got to run the
football more. I'd agree with you that that's got to
be who he is. But the idea of jumping ship
(08:26):
on Jalen hurts when he's going through a batter like
Mahomes isn't playing, well, why are we not talking about
pulling Mahomes. Well, he's won a bunch of Superls, ERTs
has been to two one to one. What are we
doing here? He's in his prime athletically. If you're going
to make dramatic changes, if you're gonna think about that
level of change, one you gotta have something better than
(08:47):
the Ruster and two you can't do it this time
of the year. And three you got a guy who
just won a Super Bowl. It's gonna look terrible for
the entire organization if that happens. The only thing that
can change my mind on it is if he walked
in as people in the Midwest and South lies with
the big head right with he walked in arrogant as
can be all year long, never accountable, not my fault,
(09:08):
things don't go wrong, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So I just anyone who thinks otherwise has never been
around a real sports team on things you just can't do.
And again I'll draw parallel to my team. I have
(09:29):
a kid who coming into the year thought he'd be
one of my best players, not playing particularly well. But
I've told myself, like he knows he's not playing well,
he's he's a better basketball player than that. I'm not
gonna take him out of the lineup because he's not playing well,
because we know what his ceiling is like, we know
what he what his floor is like. If this is floor,
we're good. We're really good.
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meant byer. We're gonna talk with with r J. Young
in a moment about the upcoming college football playoff, and
I'm gonna give r J credit for something that I
did not see coming. Uh. It's the he was right,
I was wrong, which is the opposite of last year.
(11:03):
But you and I are old enough to truly speak
on the previous era of college football, right like we're
the ESSENTI of the same age. We both have the
same level of passion. You were in the Midwest, I
was in the West Coast. And one of the fallbacks
for people who like to talk about the new era is, well,
(11:28):
the numbers are up, so no matter what you say,
more people want to watch. So it must be the
right decision to have conference tree alignment, have the College
Foball Playoff, do things the way they're doing with the portal. Hey,
the numbers are up. And my counter to that is
a pretty simple counter, which is, show me a metric
(11:49):
that shows that football viewing on television, regardless of level.
I would guess that high school football ratings are higher
than they've ever been. They're mini school comparison to college
which are half of the NFL ratings in comparison. But
America loves watching football on TV. That's been a well
established fact. The only time we don't like watching football
(12:11):
on TV is when it's non name brands in the
spring and you try and make a spring league. So
my point is there's no control group to tell us
if in fact this is the right path. It's the
path that we're taking regardless. But without any control group,
what are you saying other than oh, the ratings are better,
so it must be more popular.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Is that kind of an open ended question.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, it's a question to you. Just you're a huge
college fotball fan. I'm a huge college football fan. I
just I know it will never happen. Okay, I do
a show our station in Wichita they have me on,
and I think you've made this argument before. I know
Jason Stewart has, and I just made the total argument,
which is, hey, look, okay, they're never going to have
less college football teams in the playoff. There's never going
(13:00):
to be fewer teams in the NCAA tournament. There's never
going to be less regular season NBA or Major League
Baseball games. There's never gonna be less teams in the
Major League Baseball playoffs. These things are not because the
more games, the more inventory, the more money, and everything
takes more money, and live sports is the most valuable
thing on television. Okay, so I'm not saying that it's
going to go back, but I do think realistically, if
(13:23):
we had the old sec ACC Pac ten, Big ten,
Big Eight, we'd have the same value at the same
level of viewership, if not greater, and it'd be easier
to pick out who the best team in each league was,
and we'd have a much cleaner sense of the playoff.
And oh yeah, by the way, we'd have much more
(13:44):
regional rivalries, which are kind of going the way of
the Dodo.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
No.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
I agree with that the changes in college football have
been so many and so drastic that we got some
of what we want, some of what we didn't want,
and some of what we never expected. But I would
think that the expanded playoff has gone on ever since
I was or I have been a fan of college football,
(14:10):
where we were dying back in the eighties and nineties
just to get the top two ranked teams to play
each other in a bowl game, because that wasn't necessarily
a given. Then we got a step where hey, we
could play one versus two and then guess what, Now
we're going to expand to a playoff of four teams.
Now we're gonna exp Like all of that is good
progress to your point about where the conferences are now,
(14:33):
we've always wanted, I guess, more access to a championship,
but not in the form of these super conferences for
what we've seen, and I think that's a tough part
of for at least for me, and I actually think
that it maybe you would have had higher ratings if
the old conferences would have stayed to your point of
(14:53):
the Big eight being what it was in the Pac
twelve what it was. But I think we're getting now
what we've always wanted, and not that we're splitting hairs,
but we're still just trying to consume all of this
in a way that makes sense and makes us happy.
And quite honestly, if we were to take a step back,
I think a lot of us would be happy with
(15:15):
what we have. But we're sitting here worrying about a
Miami team and a bad conference in a Notre Dame
team that may have been one of the better five team,
you know, top five teams in football. However, their resume
didn't show that. And so that's like, I actually think
a majority of what we got is really good for
college football, but some of this other stuff is just
popping up.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I would agree. I feel bad for Stephen Daily you
see that. I know you reported that story that he's
going to miss the College twelve playoff. I mean the
kids celebrating high fiving people in the stands Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Yeah, the video is not like you could tell that
it was he landed on the turf and something turned
and something twisted, and yeah, just.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Now again, reality is if you're and again I don't
know if it's an ACL, I don't know, but he
was carted off. When he's carved off, they had the knee.
They were taking care of the knee. So if your
ACL goes when you're slapping five to people and it
gives in the turf, it was probably gonna go anyway.
(16:17):
But gosh, that's just awful.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Well, you would also think that because that's an interesting
spot on the field like that probably wouldn't have been
a spot doug where the groundskeepers would make sure that
everything is in place, you know what I mean, Like
it's right at the border because he's trying to reach
up to the stands that are you know what at
you know, seven eight nine feet up from the ground,
so you're trying to jump up and give him a
(16:40):
high five. Like obviously the playing surface is going to
be fine, but that's like right at the edge of
the surface. And you wonder if that's maybe a reason
why he ended up coming down on the injury or
on the leg the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I don't know, like I this is this is a
weird one. But we had the Horizon League meetings at
Lucas Oil and they had showed us that they had
just red when they had when the Colts weren't there
for two weeks. They had just repelleted the turf, make
it softer. They just put more of the the you know,
(17:13):
the the recycled car tires that that's what the little
pellets are. You know, they just made like just redone
it and they redo it for big games whatever, and
they kind of rake it. There's a sort of painstaking,
painstaking way in which they have to kind of go
through that. But but god, that's just terrible. Like, dude,
starting defensive lineman for the number one ranked team is
(17:36):
out for the year, celebrating and it wasn't like he was.
When you say celebrating winning the Big Ten championship, you're like, oh,
all right, he was out slugging beers and then put
his head through a car window, Like no, he's literally
slapping fives with random fans. That is the worst luck
(17:56):
in sports I can remember from a truly sixth cessful
team that has had an unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Season II five.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
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Speaker 2 (18:16):
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Uh R J. Young is a Fox Sports college football podcaster,
analyst and the host of the Number One Show podcast
on Fox Sports. He joins us and h R J
and I have gone back and forth about the University
of Oklahoma. He's been a fan. He believed in Brett
(18:36):
Menival's last year. I thought they were an interesting team
in the league. I didn't think they could win in
and they did not. I didn't see it this year,
despite the fact they had revamped that defense, and you know,
early on it was about quarterback and then quarterback comes
back from injury. They lose to Texas and it looked
like they were going to fold up shop, and what
do they know, They're in the playoff. They get a
(18:57):
rematch with Alabama. RJ. This is my way of saying,
you were right, I was wrong.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Hey, we're one and one, Doug. You know you're right
about him. Last year they went six and seven. They
used to Navy.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
We're even, brother, fair enough, I'll be even with you. Okay,
So what do you think of the overall bracket.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
I think that for the most part, we're going to
watch Oregon stomp out James Madison.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Right.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
I think it gets really interesting with Texas A and
m and Miami because that's basically the Notre Dame game. Right,
both of those teams beat Notre Dame. They're going to
face each other, and then it feels like everything's going
to fall in the way that it should. Like. I'm
very interested as you are with an eight nine matchup.
I think is really great. Oklahoma and Alabama really interesting.
Note on the Brent Minniles part of that, But for
the most part, I mean, the guy it right, the
(19:45):
name shouldn't be in it. Alabama. Okay, sure, fine, if
that's what you gotta do. You don't want to penalize
them for the SEC championship game, I'll let you have that.
But I also think that we just need an extended bracket.
I think we need to go to twenty four teams.
Twenty four teams, that's right, twenty four.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Now we're I mean, that's a lot of football games, dude,
So tell me how, tell me how, tell me how
it works, because again, right now, you're talking about the
champions playing what is it? Is it sixteen games? They'll play?
The champions potentially play in sixteen, could play seventeen games,
depending on the team, but most of them, you know,
if they get to buy, it'll be sixteen games. So
(20:22):
I mean, again, how many games are we adding there?
We're adding what how many teams going to how many
team is going to buy in your twenty four team bracket?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
The top eight, the top eight's still going to buy
and they get a home game. We get sixteen home games,
which I think is great because college football on campus
is exactly what we want and it is the greatest
spectacle in all of sports that college football games that
mean something to the playoffs and who gets into the championship.
But the way in which you get this gune. You
(20:51):
get your four best teams from each of the power
forward based on the standings right, so the PAC twelve
when it comes online would also be a group of sixteen.
But you get top four a SEC, top four Big twelve,
top four best EC right A so far, and then
you get the two best G six teams, which is
left up the committee, and then you get your six
at large teams. So Notre Dame doesn't have to cry
(21:14):
and take its football home. They get there at large
bid because they be one of those teams they get selected.
And as far as how many games we're planned, I'm
I mean, I'm asking this honestly and not really trying
to be sarcastic about it. You do you not like football?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
No, no, no, no, no, no, I I do R J
R J. You're just not gonna be able to field teams.
They get so beat up you can't field teams. I mean,
it's just the reality of it. You're just not I mean,
you're goet. You're gonna you're gonna have backup quarterbacks, backup
running backs, backups everywhere. You don't have the bodies. You
just can't.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
I think I think we will have the bodies because
they're gonna be one hundred and five players on the roster,
all of them are on scholarship, and all of them
are going to be getting nil money. Are we gonna
be spinning the herd at the bottom. Absolutely, You're gonna
have very, very competent football teams like the labor No
he noticed this, but the labor force has gotten really
skill it all of a sudden, right. We got older players,
(22:05):
we got players that know how to play, and we
got coaches that are figuring out how to coast their
teams deep into the playoffs. But Georgia and Ohio State
don't play a lot of football because they engineer their
football teams to be efficient playing the game. I'm not
I'm not gonna buy that one. I'm not gonna buy that.
The untilled labor part of this is gonna hold it up.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah, I again, I I just be honest with you again.
If you talk to football people, they'll tell you it's
too many games. Say they talk too many games, and
then and then the other they'll tell it's too many games.
Because remember you like you're still gonna have the conference
championship games. Those aren't going away because they make money, right,
so you're still gonna have it, I mean, and then
we could go through the standings things. But just the
(22:44):
idea of that many number of football games, I would
be very, very surprised because once you get to like
seventeen eighteen games like not happening, it's too it's it's
too much. And then there's the other factors with it,
which is okay, the one home game I do. I
agree with you. I love the first round on home sites.
(23:06):
That's awesome. After that, once you get to Christmas break,
you can't do that number of games. Also for fans,
they can't travel that much. Remember, these games haven't been
all as hot a tickets as we think they are.
And I know that it's essentially a television sport, but
college football, as you know, is different. It's a lot
(23:26):
of it is about that atmosphere, and you're not gonna
have the atmosphere. When you're like, all right, we've got
four rounds of playoffs, which game do we go to?
You can only afford so much. Something's got to give,
so all right, we'll get to well, we can do
that in the offseason that in the offseason, let's just
talk about Oklahoma, a team that you have believed in
when others did not. What do you think of the
fact that they have to play Alabama yet again?
Speaker 6 (23:50):
I think that Alabama should be terrified and breadventable. That's
what I think. He's five to zhero in rematching of
this kuy and going back to two thousand when they
played Kansas State the second time. Every time he gets
to see a team a second time in the year,
he beats them and the number of points they scored
goes down. And there's also like where it's a championship defense,
right We've seen this year in and year out. Explosive
(24:11):
offenses do not win national championships alone. You have to
have a top five scoring defense to go get it done.
And Oklahoma's playing like a top five scoring defense. And
more than the point, it's got a defense that can
score points. Right now. Are you expecting to get three
takeaways against Alabama again? No, but you didn't expect it
the first time and didn't expect to pick six. So
what it comes back to is can John Matteer return
(24:34):
to the kind of form that he showed in the
first three games of the season, because if he does that,
then you're talking them into being a national championship team.
Right now, I want to see what team shows up
on December nineteenth. I'm very high on this team. I
love Breavinimles called in the plays and I think they're
finally taking on his attitude of no, we just want
to line up and we just want to beat you down.
Can we do that? Cool? Because if we're going to
(24:55):
do that, it's going to be fine. When Oklahoma tries
to get cute and I mean this offensively, then they're
in trouble.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Miami Texas surname. Who do you like?
Speaker 6 (25:06):
And I really like an m I like Marcel Reid.
He's just too up and down. Try to past six
in the session against South Carolina. Need to come back
those twenty seven point they'rebody talking about it being a
great comeback. No, No, you were down thirty to three.
That's the take care. Miami has the second best defensive
line on their side of the bracket, right I really
(25:27):
love Corey Heatherman's defense. They get after people. That front
is as good as Texas Tech is, as good as
Georgia is, as good as Ohio State so I'm gonna
pick Miami for one more caveat. If Mario Cristo Baal
has to make clock management decisions, they're toast.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Did de Lucia Okay?
Speaker 6 (25:46):
No, I said if Mario Christaball, yeah again, I just
want to make sure.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I want to cut you off. You know, it's Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I know you
care again, I know you care. You have great passion
r J Young Jinius. It's the number one show. It's
podcast on Fox Sports. You got to check it out.
It's awesome. I know you care. Why do you think
(26:10):
there's so much less buzz? Or at least that's my
perception of it. I could be wrong. So much less
buzz about the Heisman Trophy this year as opposed.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
To previous years, because there's no real star, there's no
breakout stars. There's no Caleb Williams, there's no Jade Daniels
going for thirty four hundred and twelve hundred. I think
that we have really consitioned college football to be about
head coaches. And I've said this for years. We have
such a transient population, kind of like college basketball. If
(26:40):
I'm being honest, and that if you don't know me
or someone likes me who follows the sport as closely
as we do, you have a hard time just knowing
who's on your team or who your starting quarterback is.
So Diego Pavia, who I think would win the Heisman
any other year. It's just a guy to a lot
of other people. Julian San is just the dude that
gets the keys to the best offense in a Maria,
(27:00):
and the best player in the sport is Jeremiah Smith,
and he's nowhere to be seen on these ballots. I
honestly think that the Heisman is done and do a
good job of getting behind players. I think it wants
everybody to get behind it, and that's that's a losing proposition,
especially when fans already have their idea who you thinks
should win it and it no longer means what he
used to.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Great point. I'm with you. Dan Byron and I discussed
this yesterday. We're like, who's the best college ball player
like Jeremiah Smith? Why not give the award to him?
I don't. It's like we got to give it to
and then if we wait till after the college fall playoff,
we're very likely to overreact to whoever plays, Well, it's
probably gonna be the quarterback whatever team wins it, right,
Like that's which is what it's gonna be with Mendoza anyway.
(27:43):
It's just it's just weird. What's happened to this? This
this uh, this fabulous award. R. J. Young is our guest. Okay,
in in your dreams the second round, okay, looks like
I mean, I mean, we don't think the power of
the what is that? What are the ones called the
(28:04):
James Madisons and the two lanes? Do they have?
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Do they? Yes? They have a fighting chance. I think
that Tulane is a good football team, but they're playing
an old miss team that beat the snot out of
them and looks like beating the snot out of them again.
They just outclass them. Same thing is true of Oregon.
I think the only way that Games Madison can actually
turn this into a game they win is frankly, playing
Oregon football. You're gonna have to run the ball a
(28:30):
bunch and you're gonna have to get the ball back
quickly by getting off the field on third down each
and every time. And even then you probably talk about
a one score game where Oregon still has an explosive
player too, where they can beat you. I mean they
got they can beat you special teams, they can beat
you in the kicking game, and Dante Moore doesn't make
a habit of throwing the football to other people. It's
it would be unfair to say they don't have a chance,
(28:51):
But if you're expecting blowouts, I would be looking for
both of those games.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Last thing, can you believe that in the second year
of this true playoff, Indiana is the number one overall seed,
like in all the stories, the number one overall seed. Again,
I don't think they're going to win it. I personally
am not sure they're the best team, but when they
(29:19):
played Oregon, they beat him. When they played Ohio State,
they beat him. Like, I don't really you can't take
any of that away from them. But of all the stories,
I can't think of any that's bigger than that.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
And I think that is also rounding out the point
that we were making about the Heisman Trophy, right, Like,
if I asked you to name another player on that
team not named for Nana Mendoza, I don't think that
many people could do it, right, And that's that's the
point is, how does the number one ranked team in
the country have only one guy you recognize and a
coach who's ubiquitous? Right, everybody knows Kurt signety name. But
(29:52):
if you ask me in twenty twenty two if this
is a possibility, I tell you absolutely not. It's the
room in a football program, FBF history and being the
number one ranked teams going to a college football playoffs.
Absolutely not. But it is one of the things that
I think is really really cool about this era of
college football. You can have five and seven Texas Christians
turn into a national champion, national title runner up. You
(30:14):
can have Indiana flip it's an entire roster in a
year back to back and still be just as good. Now,
that's one of the reason we looked to the coaches
and not to the players. But no, I could not
believe it if you told me two years ago, and
even now I'm trying to educate people. Doug, that's the
best team in the sport dog that I'm not laying
(30:34):
that on Thick. It's me watching them. They get off
the ball, they got I think the best offensive line
in football. They fly to the football on defense, and
D'Angelo Ponds did everything he could to keep Jeremiah Smith
and Carnell Tay in check, and he did what everybody
else couldn't do, just do it long enough to where
they could score one briggin touchdown right by Yet I
(30:54):
take that back, Texas did it. Texas did in week one.
Nobody else has been able to do that. So if
they get asked anybody else, come on, man, like who
else is in their way? Georgia, who don't they could
beat them? That's the question I would ask, like, can
we not get passed the part where their number one?
But who would you pick to beat them? Right now?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I mean again, I so much of it is about
name brands and they're breaking through. And look the other
part too, it is they're really well funded, they have
really good players, and they're really really well coached, and
they it's I wouldn't pick it. How can you pick
anybody to beat them? Because nobody has beaten them, you know,
quality utter back play, quality running game, as you point
(31:34):
as you point out, I mean the big thing is upfront.
They're awesome and they're athletic in the defensive backfield.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
One note that I actually want to put in your
brain to just think about the rest of the way
through this playoff. Look at the SEC, Look at the
Big Ten. The last two national champions have come out
of the Big Ten. It's been back to back years
that the SEC has also been boxed out of the
national championship game. That happens the third time. The balance
of power has shifted north in the Mason diction line,
and we haven't seen that in quite sometimes. That I
(32:01):
think is also fascinating, and Indiana is at the front
of that.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
No question. I also think it's that, you know, I'm
sure you heard that podcast with Coach oh where he
was talking about paying players back in the day, you know,
bringing in money through the back, like everyone in the
sport knew that the SEC was buying guys a long
time ago. Now the Big Ten can legally buy guys like, hey,
a little bit different sport. What's that The old Dion
(32:26):
Sanders line ain't no fun when the Rabbits got the gun.
RJ the best appreciate you taking my, uh my apology,
and we'll talk to you very soon.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
All right, brother, talk soon.
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This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Anyway you got b Doug. The game today is for
better or worse? All right? For better or worse? Whose
unretirement is gonna turn out better or worse? Joe Flaco
versus Philip Rivers. What's which one is better or worse
than the other are going to be when it's all
said and done.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
God, I want it to be. I wanted to be
Philip Rivers, but I think, uh, for Phil Rivers is
gonna be worse because when he was done, he was done,
arm was shot. He's never been able to move, whereas
Joe Flacco has. You know, he got one team to
the playoffs and then this year he just kind of
stabilized the Bengals. I'm gonna go Philip Rivers worse.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
You won He did win, yeah, you he won one game.
But it was a game that everybody saw because it
was a Thursday night contest, and yeah, there have been
more high points for Flaco for sure. For Better or
Worse Doug Week fifteen primetime game Vikings Cowboys versus Steelers Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Dolphin Steelers is better, like we've talked about it, Like
the Dolphins haven't been horrible, still not completely out of
the playoff mix, and the Steelers got to win this game.
I think Dolphins Steelers.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
I think that there's playoff implications, but I also think
the Cowboys being a draw. Seeing what happens with JJ
McCarthy in primetime is another conversation. And while the Vikings
aren't going to make the postseason, there's still still that
deal to deal with, all right. For Better or Worse
Doug College Football Playoff Bracket, last year's bracket with Boise
and Arizona State getting buys versus this year's bracket with
(35:51):
James Madison and Tulane being in the field, it's better
or worse?
Speaker 2 (35:55):
This year's backet's better. I mean, you had those teams
that were not really competitive and and now it allowed
them to be slightly more competitive because they're playing teams
coming off of the game, so they were a little
bit beaten up, but this year's a.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Better I'm gonna ask guy was Sam this question as well? Sam?
Speaker 7 (36:12):
Do you like last year's bracket better or this year's
bracket better? I think I'm gonna lean towards this year's
bracket a little bit, A little bit. I think last
year gave us some good matchups. Now the games didn't
turn out to be good, but Tennessee, Ohio State was
such a conversation piece.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
That was a blowout Indiana Notre Dame leading up to it. Again,
it was in a close game, but still there was excitement.
And then the quarterfinals provided us with uh. I mean,
Arizona State, Texas was quite the game.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
I have noticed James Madison social media talking a little ish,
a little trash with Oregon. That'll end well and that's fun.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Let's do it. That's the thing about Dan Lanning and
Oregon and Oregon fans. They never like take things like
over the top or they never have a chip on
their shoulder, never take especially never, never at all. They'll
never use something to be that isn't something to use
it as motivation. They never do that to win like
sixty ninety three. No, never right for better or worse,
(37:11):
Big brand left out of the bracket? What's worse that
Notre Dame? Or what's better or worse Notre Dame not
in the college football playoff? Or when Duke isn't in
the NCAA tournament for men's basketball.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Better or worse? For for what?
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Just?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Is the tournament worse when Duke's not in? Is the
college football playoff worse when Notre Dame's not in?
Speaker 2 (37:36):
The college basketball tournament? Is worse when Duke's not in? Okay,
the College Faball playoff will survive. Is it better when
Notre Dame is in? Yeah? Yeah, same with Texas. But
it's it's they haven't been in plenty of times, and
it's fine without Duke. It's they're just a draw, a massive.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
Draw, all right? For better or worse? The offseason? Major
League Baseball's versus the NBA.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Well, the NBA has been better over the last decade.
It used to be. When I first started in radio,
first ten years was all hot, Stovely was amazing. I'd say,
you know, in last year everything was kind of delayed
as well. They grinding those guys on price. I'm gonna
go NBA NBA offseason a lot more drama far more interesting.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
All right. Finally, better or worse sports nickname is the topic.
Pet A Lonzo's polar Bear versus Jack Nicholas's Golden Bear.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Nothing beats the Golden Bear. Nothing beats the Golden Bear.
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