September 3, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug reacts to comments made by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on Good Morning America as he continues to try to sell to the public why he made the Micah Parsons deal. Jason Stewart tells you what is is most annoyed by today. Columnist from The Athletic Ian O'Connor joins Doug to talk about his new book that he co-authored with national championship coach Dan Hurley. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better Or Worse?".
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This may be annoying to some, I'm not sure. In
that Jerry Jones continues to sell everything, right, the ultimate
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salesperson can sell ice to the Eskimos. That's the expression.
You have to have a BS in BS and so
Jerry Jones who has And we'll get into it a
little bit later. I commend my boy Jason Stewart on
really tell me, hey, if you're going to watch a documentary,
you need to watch The Cowboys America's team documentary, which
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I have been and I'm so glad he suggested it
because there's so much good content and interesting stuff. But again,
he is Jerry Jones, a salesman. He's even now selling
on Good Morning America. The reasons he pulled to mic
Up Parsonsdale off, we.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Have two kinds of capital or currency in the NFL.
One of them is draft picks. The other is the
financial because every team is limited to the same amount
of resources to spend. And having said that, Mica enabled
us to have four, possibly as many as six players
for the future. That's a good trade. When you need numbers,
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I'll take the numbers every time.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, So suddenly it's basically responsible Jerry, biscally responsible Jerry.
And you know, really this is the Khalil Mack when
he was traded from the Raiders to the Bears sort
of trade. But he's not given us the real reel,
which is, wait, how'd you go from agreeing to a
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deal to trading him? That's a big stretch. And so
there's no talk about the breakdown in the relationship with
the agent, David Mulghetto, who they clearly didn't want to
do business with. We act like Jerry was being sneaky
and doing a deal without the agent, which is probably sneaky,
but three is the reason. They probably just want to
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work together. Hey, I'm not working with that guy. You
want to get a deal done with Dallas, Here's how
we're going to do it. So that wasn't asked. We
don't know. We can only assume, and the assumption is
that they have no relationship, especially now because Micah got
the deal that he wanted and he just had to
switch teams, get on a plane and play go from
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one historic franchise to another. But the more you try
and explain it, the more you know it's bull crap, right,
I mean, any of us who've told a Wendy told
a story that wasn't true. We know the more you
try and explain it, the more you go into expert
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detail over everything, No, no, what really happened was the
more we know it's bull. So do I think that
what he's saying isn't true? No, I think what he's
saying in that trading Micah Parsons opens up a path
for not just the draft picks, but money to acquire
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a bunch of a bunch of players. That's great, but
he's one of a handful of dynamic players that can
completely change a football game because he can be unblockable.
So you have to balance those two things out. And
we're operating as if this was some really well thought
out Hey, we're going to move off of Mica because
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we need more assets, and this is what we all.
If that's what you were going to do, great could
have done the summer. Not You know, when you get
to a week and a half before your first game
and you're forced to take a little bit less and
have a little bit have far fewer teams bidding on
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You know, it's it's fascinating there where Jerry. When you
watch the documentary early on with Jimmy Johnson, you know,
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there's like the trophy and he's clutching it and you know,
the best thing he did was hire Jimmy Johnson. Then
Jimmy Johnson can't take his meddling and so he hires
his boy, Barry Switzer. When Barry Switzer wins it, Barry
Switzer's like, we did this together, we did it our way. Yeah,
this is Jerry's trying to say, I'm gonna do it
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my way. And even though he's changing narratives midway through,
you know from Micah Parsons is going to be a cowboy.
He wanted to be a cowboy for a long time
to know. This is all the plan all along. We're
gonna trade him and get the resources to acquire a
couple guys, the draft picks to acquire two guys. It's
just good with Good Morning America. It works because there's
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no real pushback on that show. There's no real Hey,
that's not actually how it works on a football show
there would be. So he's smart enough to know to
keep the discussion going. He's smart enough to know that
all this attention only helps the attention on the Netflix documentary.
He's smart enough to know that if you go on
Good Morning America, they don't double back with you on
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a football question or as Good Morning Football would. So
he's no dope. But he's also not being honest, not
being honest anybody else of the mindset that this is
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going to be a bad game tomorrow night. And I
bring it up because, as Jason has pointed out, these
teams don't practice enough. They're not sharp even mid season.
The product is and what we like now they've been
without Micah Parsons all preseason, so it's not like you
had a quarter you had a running back and now
he's just Hey, he got traded and he's not playing.
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But no one thinks the Cowboys are going to be
great this year? Do we like? They're interesting? They went
out and got George Pickens, talented guy, but he's got
to be their number two. You have two really talented
wide receivers and a good quarterback, but what wins your
games is your ability to pressure the quarterback and you
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gave away the best one that had in the game.
You gotta be able run the football, not turn over.
I don't know if they have that, and it's not
like if they get to the playoffs. DAK has been
great before. But I just think you're at a bit
of a talent disadvantage against the Eagles. And I will
grant you that the Eagles, we don't know what we're
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gonna see from them because of their coordinator changes. But
they have Saquon they have Jalen Hurts, they got a good,
although different offensive line. Doesn't feel like it be a
great game fired obviously. I know with I want your
flex you do view things from fantasy perspective, But what's
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your perspective on tomorrow's game? In general?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I think that it's tough, even though recent history has
showed that the road team can go in and win
a game. We've had this game for about twenty twenty
five years or so, dates back to two thousand and two,
and only six times has the road team won. Now
they've won two out of the last three years. We
saw the Lions go to Kansas City and win a game,
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and then the Bills beat the Rams in LA for
that season opening contest. But I just think that there's
so much juice for the opener for the defending Super
Bowl champs that the Cowboys, no matter what the deficits
that they may have on defense, are just behind the
eight ball because of that game and what it all means.
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So I don't think the bottom is going to fall
out for Dallas this year because I think defensively they're
going to be fine. I just don't know how they're
going to be defensively. I just think tomorrow is a
really tough spot for them, and I felt that the
Eagles along your lines. I don't know if you're saying
both teams aren't going to play well, but I just
feel that the Eagles are going to be the better
team tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes, that's that's my feeling. That's my feeling. We're still
going to watch, just like again, Jase, do you nailed
Oh gosh, yes, No matter what they put out their
first NFL game Thursday night, Cowboys Eagles, We're going to watch.
But we should watch knowing shouldn't have huge expectations of
it being a well played or even a particularly competitive
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football game, and something.
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Speaker 2 (10:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
This is a portion of the daily podcast, but I
want to break out on radio because it's always so good.
Our resident curmudgeon is also our producer. His name's Jason Stewart.
Without further ado, we find out who and what's annoying him.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Today, and now it's your annoying, hey, Doug.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Charles Barkley was on with Bill Simmons, a Ringer podcast,
and they had this exchange about the NBA.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
I think the NBA has got a big problem. How
are regular fans gonda?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Like?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Okay, it's Tuesday Special Nations.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
I putting games where do I go, Well, well, like casino,
sometimes a game is gonna be on Peak and it's
not gonna be on NBC. I think that's a huge dilemma.
I think it's a big deal because they get they
just took all the money from all three networks. I
don't think they give it about the fans, and I
think this is going to come back to bite them,
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to be honest with you, and then the thing that's
scared This deal is for eleven years, so now people
can play and all they want to for the next
eleven years.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
They don't give it about the fans.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
They're like, y'all, if y'all find the game, fine, just
make sure to check clears.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
What I find annoying about this is this so Barkley
has him saying that the NBA doesn't give a crop
about the fans. I think carries weight, and I don't
think he's really I think he's he's right about one
thing and then and then he's off. I think the
NBA every single decision they have made from either a
TV rights standpoint or you know, the end season playoff standpoint,
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or the uh the extension like playing game it ow
serves their like p Ones. In other words, it always
serves their diehard NBA fans. So I think what Charles
is saying is that I don't think the NBA gives
a crap about the casuals. I'm certainly not going to
go to all the apps to find their product. I
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think their die hard fans will. But where Charles is
right is that the NBA has kind of lost sight.
They're running their league like it's some kind of a
niche league like the NHL or the WNBA, where they
have to cater to their diehard fans to keep them
as opposed to opening the tent to everybody else.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I look at it a little differently I do. There
is a certain old man get off my lawn to
Barkley saying all these streaming services, It's like, that's actually
how young fans watch sports. Right, And the old model
of cable or even network TV is it model? So
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it is so much based upon perception. The other part too,
it is you know, it will still have network games.
Network television ABC is still a part of it, right,
So it'll still be there. These are all games that
you previously got on cable or couldn't get unless you
had your local cable package, and now you can get
with a streaming service. So I love Charles and I
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I don't know. You could say he doesn't care about
the fans, But now you have no matter what service
you have or if you don't have any service, you
can have access to games. So if we're go back,
when Charles played, you only saw the games that were
on your local channel or when they were on weekends
on ABC. Right now you can watch like every game played.
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So I actually disagree with them.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
The Roger Goodell and the NFL are pretty brilliant for
bringing in all of Taylor Swift fans. So they brought
in a ton of casuals of the last eighteen years
or eighteen months. This is what Roger Goodell said in
an interview today about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Is Taylor Swift invited to play the Super Bowl this
year the halftime show?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We would always love to have Taylor play.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
She is a special, special talent and obviously.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
She would be welcome in anytime.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Is it in the works.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
I can't tell you anything about that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Is it a maybe?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's a maybe?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Okay, Okay, well maybe it's a maybe.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
At what point can we expect a decision to be announced.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
I'm waiting on my friend jay Z to be able to.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's in his hands.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
I'm waiting for the smoke to come out.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Okay, okay, good but you're a Swift team, definitely Swift.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
That was on the Today Show. Goodell Smart, you go
to Today's show, you talk about Taylor Swift, you bring
people into the tent. I get it. What's annoying is
that I don't need to see Taylor Swift perform songs
at the halftime. I've said this and Dan Bayer called
me out on it. This pisses Dan off, but I
think Taylor Swift songs are made for teenage girls. So me,
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as a fifty two year old man, I don't need
to sit through ten to fifteen minutes of Taylor Swift songs.
I'm annoyed by that, and Dan will be quick to
tell me they're made for people of all ages. I
think they're made for teenage girls. I'm not the audience,
so I'm annoyed by the prospect of Taylor Swift doing
the halftime.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well, I have the opposite opinion, not because I don't
agree with you, but I isn't that the whole thing
with halftime show, it's you have to have a reason
for people who are not the p ones to pay
attention and watch the first half. It's like even better,
like why would a teenage girl watch the Super Bowl?
She wouldn't. Now it's grown into now where you have
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you know, pre professionals and professional women. And but yeah,
that's that's the target demo for halftime because not the
target demo for the Super Bowl? What else? Who else
annoying you?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Framber is a very good pitcher for the Astros. I
think he's been up for like Cy Young recently in
recent years. Left hander. He gave up a Grand Slam
last night to Trent Grisham, who has a lot of
holes in his bat, and Framber Valdez got so pissed
off at his catcher, Seesar Sanchez. I guess Sanchez either
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called the wrong pitch or asked Framber to step off
the rubber. Whatever it is, you can find it on
John Boy right now if you look. There's a breakdown
of it. So this is how Framber Valdez chose to
handle his catcher. The next batter, his catcher called for
a curveball, was expecting a curveball. And Framber Valdez threw
it right down the middle into the wrist of his
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catcher to cross him up, a ninety six mile hour
fastball to the wrist, to cross up your catcher and
to I guess, punish him for how he called a
pitcher earlier. They spoke and say that they're good, and
the framber apologized. Somebody's line and I think it's fran
Ber Valdez. I think that was a bush league move
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by an awful player on a cheating team.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Tell me how you really feel. Ah, that was awesome.
That was awesome. Uh can I can I throw in one?
And Dan Byro if you have one that's something that's
annoying you, I have one I have. And again I'm
giving credit to you, Jaysetu for going. You need to
watch the Cowboys documentary. The the Michael Irvin aspect of
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it is so good because, as you pointed out, Jay
s dou he's one of like two people who would
talk about the White House and no one else talked
about it. It's like, hey, you know, it's a documentary.
You don't have to tell him anything if you don't
want to tell him anything. It's basically a Jerry Jones
promo piece. But it was it was kind of it's
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annoying to me that they let Michael Irvin get away
with basically saying, hey, from the end of the season
until April, he could party and do whatever he wanted.
That's when he got caught with cocaine. When there was
no follow up to like, well, did you do cocaine
in the season? Were you a drug addict? Like what
was because there's all these conflicting Hey, I only did
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it in it in the spring. Yet you went to
the White to the White House, which was a residential
house where they had all these orgies and drugs or whatever. Again,
it's all assumed in there, but you have a guy,
you have guys sitting chairs. And the other one that
they didn't do in the documentary was there's no discussion
about Skip Bayless telling people that Troy Aikman was gay, right, Like,
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you're gonna have racist allegations in there, but you're not
gonna have And Skip was in the dock. Troy Aikman's
in the dock. It was a gigantic story. It's still
kind of a story. It lay the groundwork for why
Treygman does not like Skip Bayless wasn't discussed. It's any
why you got anything annoying?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You just to once you've complimented Jay Stu or complimented
Jay Stue this show. It's been like nineteen times you've
said what a great job Jay Stu has just I mean, Sam, like,
can you agree like it's been over the top, Okay,
don't it's been disproportionate. Yeah, yes, I agree. That's a
that's a good way to.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Play disproportionate ass kicking of our producer, Doug Gottliebiz. All right,
it's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
The great E O'Connor joins us. He's a calumnist for
the Athletic but he co authored a book with You
Got a Head coach Danny Hurley called Never Stop Life,
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Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great. It's available
later this month. You can preorder it now. Ian, thanks
so much for joining us. Their Hurly name is synonymous
with basketball and Dan he was, you know, as players.
He was the other brother and now he's won you know,
two national championships as a head coach and doing it
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in his own kind of unique way. What was the
impetus of the idea of writing a book with it.
When did this actually start.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yeah, I've known Danny and now known as Dan. He
wants it that way, but some people refuse to call
him Dan. They still call him Danny. And we all
from my generation. I'm sixty one and I knew Danny
when he was six years old, and so I've been
around his father and that family for a long time,
and remember seeing Bob Hurley Senior coaching at Saint Anthony's
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in Jersey City back in the day when Bobby and
Danny were really young, and almost being terrified of him.
When I was in eighth grade watching him coach. The
intensity was off the charts. Well, you see the same
intensity in Dan today at Yukon and that was the
rocket fuel behind their two national championships. And so what
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we saw this year Doug, as you know, is a
lot of criticism for his approach on the sideline. But
before we got to that point, after he won that
second national title, I called him and I said, Dan,
you should write a book. This is your time. You
came off back to back national championships, which is incredibly
hard to do. You have a great backstory with your family,
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and I assumed he had a writer already in mind,
somebody maybe in Connecticut who had covered him. And I
was under contract to do finish another two books, so
I was fine. I just said, you don't need to
do this with me, but you should do a book
with somebody. And I meant that, and he said, no,
if I'm going to do it, i'd want to do
it with you. And then we talked about the what's
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the vision for the book? And one thing led to another,
and here we are today, where a few weeks away
from the official launch of the book, which is now
available on Amazon of course in other places. But yeah,
it was me calling him saying, Dan, you need to
do a book with somebody, doesn't have to be me,
and he decided that I was the right person to
do it with.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
How is he in real life as compared to the
in front of the camera life.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
I think that Dan is a sensitive guy, and I
do think that things like the criticism he faced last
season did really bother him. But Dan is a very
loving and loyal person. And I think the one thing
that readers would be surprised at not you, because you're
a division one coach and you've been around the game forever.
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But Dan does not yell at his individual players during
a game. Now, in a timeout, he might yell at
the group, and certainly in practice it can be a
full contact experience, but during games, when he's going nuts
on the rest and the casionally even getting into it
with the opposing head coach or his assistance, he does
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not scream individual at the players because he understood what
that felt like when he was a college player at
Seaton Hall and it didn't make him feel good. So
he's more of a corner man during games, a supporter,
as someone who encourages you, gives you confidence, and I
think that's been missed in the coverage of him nationally
and the way he's perceived. And to be honest with you,
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I wasn't necessarily aware of that either when I started
the process, but I think that and that is what's
most important to me when it comes to college athletics,
is how the adults treat the young men or women
who are on their teams, on their rosters. And I
think Dan, if you talk to his players, they don't
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want to play for anybody else. They swear by him.
To a kid to a player, and that's something that
I wanted to bring out in this book and I
hopefully we did.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Stut Gottleibe show here on Fox Sports Radio in O'Connor
is our guest. The new book is called Never Stop Life,
Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great. Authored it
with two time National championship head coach Danny Hurley or
Dan Hurley. What I there's There are so many different
aspects to his life and his path to this to
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success which are interesting, but some of it has been
told through TV. When you know you make the final four's,
people they try and do these personal interest stories and
tell thics. What's one that's in the book that people don't.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Know well The depth of his depression that he suffered
as a student at s Eaton Hall. He gets through
some pretty dark places. I'm not sure the average fan
is necessarily fully aware of that, and I think in
the book bringing out his humanity was important to me.
And there was an excerpt today on the athletics website
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about Dan really struggling after this past season, really human
thoughts about should I resign three decades straight of high
intensity coaching without a break, without a single break, and
after a very challenging and difficult season against measured against
their standard of winning national championships, and the criticism he
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took left him very vulnerable and thinking about walking away.
Do I need to resign as the head coach of
the Yukon Huskies. And he was very candid with me
about that human struggle he felt, and the price you
pay to compete at the highest levels of college sports today,
and also the changing nature of the game where now
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recruiting is all about how much can you pay a kid?
And that's not the way he was raised in the business.
Recruiting is about relationships, or at least they used to be,
and also having a great program that would attract people.
And really, now it comes down and how much are
you going to pay me? And I know I never
thought it would get to that point in college sports.
I'm sixty one years old, and if you told me
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that forty years ago this would be the case, I
never would have believed it. And I think he's a
similar mindset. But all that sort of put together in
a cauldron of bubbling emotion left him in a place
where he thought about walking away. Now, he didn't leave
Yukon the previous summer, despite being offered seventy million dollars
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to coach the most glamorous franchise in the NBA, the Lakers,
And this time he didn't walk away either. I guess
the author of Never Stop should not stop, and he didn't.
But I think that that will surprise the reader is
just how emotionally cooked he was at the end of
last season, how he was sitting there just wondering if
he should even continue as a college coach. He ultimately
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decided to come back, and they have a really good roster,
a better roster than they had last year. But I
think that'll be surprising the most readers.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And did I read write that he nearly left just
to be an analyst at Fox Sports.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
He had some conversations with he told me a TV
executive Andrew marsh and reported today it was Fox. Now
it makes sense his former agent, Jordan Design is a
Fox executive. So yeah, I think that that was something
he thought he could do for one year, basically, take
a gap year, do some TV and then recharge and
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come back. Now he'd have to come back somewhere else
in college basketball or the NBA. I do think, and
this is really more my opinion, I think he will
coach in the NBA before he retires. I do think
that he wants to scratch that itch, if you will
take that shot. At some point. I think he wants
to win another national championship or two at Yukon. So
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I think he'll be at Yukon for a number of
years before he possibly makes that move. And again, this
is really more my opinion. But if you told me
he was head coach of the New York Micks seven
years from now, I would not be surprised.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Being said, there are very few coaches who are as animated,
maybe any that as animated as he is in the pros.
What do you think of the adjustment he'll have to
make to coach in the NBA in terms of his approach.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
It's a great question, Doug, And he does believe like
his father now. I was surprised when he told me
this that his father, as he got older, mellowed out
a little bit and got a little kinder and gentler
and maybe a little more user friendly or player friendly.
I was surprised that he made that observation, and he
suspects the same thing will happen to him now. It's
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hard to believe looking at Dan Hurley today that you
could see him calming down, for lack of a better expression,
as he gets into his mid to late fifties. But
he believes that will happen and make him then more
compatible with what the NBA is, as we all know,
it's a players league, and so listen. He seriously considered
the Lakers, and he did believe he could coach Lebron
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James games. And I said to him later, you know,
if you knew Luca was going to be traded there,
would you have taken that job? And he said, no,
I would have made the same decision because I'm not
really ready to coach in the NBA yet, and I
think I do need to change a little bit. And
along the lines of what he said, his father went
through that change. So I again the way I look
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at it, the way I look at his career after
spending a lot of time with him last season, I
do believe that he will take on that challenge as
the last challenge of a great career. To me, he's
already a Hall of Famer as a college coach, but
to take that last step and prove he can do
it at the highest level. I do think that's something
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that intrigues him down the road in something that he
ultimately will do.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
What's the dynamics of the family, Like, you know, Bobby
was always the star growing up. Now Bobby has had
a successful but kind of up and down coaching career,
whereas Danny we mentioned for how he is used as
a player, the slow and steady climb and now of
the champion coach. Of course, the dad is the legend.
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What's the dynamics of that family like now?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Yeah, I think everyone is. Everyone gets along and supports
each other. And obviously their father's now retired, but he's
arguably the greatest high school boys basketball coach ever in
this country. And Morgan Wooton would be in that conversation
as well. I think that it's interesting, right the dynamic
has flipped where and he was the other player and
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now Bobby is sort of the other coach. But Bobby
has a very, very challenging job, and he has done
a good job at Arizona State, but that is a
tough job. The conference are in now and it's not
really a basketball school. I actually lived on that campus
right next to the arena back in nineteen eighty six
eighty seven out of college. And so I know a
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little bit about Arizona State and its history, and it's
just not a basketball school. So I do think Bobby
has done a good job there and will continue to
do so. But Dan, you know, he's shown up at Yukon.
That's not easy either because the standard there was national championships.
Jim Calhoun won three, Kevin Ollie won one, and it's
amazing that story on the women's side and the men's side.
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What a school in stores Connecticut has done in college
basketball women's and men's divisions is unbelievable, and when you
look at where it's located. So Dan, when he arrived
at Yukon, he had to win national championships and he's
done that. He's done an incredible job measuring up to
that expectation. And I do think he'll win another one
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or two, certainly before he ever leaves that school. And
it might be this year. The motto last year was dynasty.
You could have that same motto this year if they win.
If they win three out of four, that's certainly a dynasty.
Last year a disappointment, but hey, he almost beat the
ultimate national champion in Florida in the second round the
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NCAA Tournament. He was a testament to Dan's coaching ability
with that roster. I thought Dan the coach really outperformed
that Dan the GM last year and actually did a
very good job with what he had to work with,
and he almost picked off Florida in the second round,
and that shouldn't be forgotten.
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Let's talk in soon. Thanks for being our.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
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Speaker 1 (33:28):
Ah, yes, that was the call. The Yankees have won one, two, three, four, five,
six seven eight of their last nine games. Oh, maybe
they're they shouldn't fire Aaron Booon. Maybe they do know
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a game.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show day.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What's giving it?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Doug?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
All right, Doug? For better or worse? Week one Football?
The matchup here where you tell us which one is
better or worse than the other. Thursday Night NFL Action
versus Friday Night NFL Action.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Oh, Friday Night's better Chiefs charges plus I mean the
Cowboys without Cowboys. Everybody likes, enjoys watch them lose, but
sure don't have Micah Parsons. Feels like a bit of
a mismatch.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Neutral stadium in Brazil, toss the home field advantage. You
don't want to go to Philadelphia? All right? Moving along?
For better or worse? Week one of the college football
season versus Week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Hard call. I'm gonna go Week one of the NFL season.
You know you have ears with the NFL. Is smart, right,
you have Chiefs Chargers. That's a divisional game. You got
Cowboys Eagles divisional games, so you have some rivalries there.
You know you go Cincinnati Cleveland again, divisional matchup. I
like that one. Giants and Commanders again, traditional matchup, Packers, Lions,
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Baltimore and Buffalo. Amazing, even Houston the Rams. It's great
slate of games. Week one NFL by a mile over
Week one of the college football.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
For better or worse, we're talking red zone here with
commercials versus without commercials. Scott Hansen revealing today out that
the new red zone will have commercials.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah that sucks.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So with commercials is actually worse.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Worse with commercials is worse than.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
All right, something new we'll see in the NFL this year.
Rivalry uniforms, Doug for better or worse? NFL rivalry uniforms
versus NBA Cup courts. You know those wacky NBA Cup
courts that we see these wacky NFL rivalry uniforms. What's
better or worse?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I think the wacky courts are worse. They're distracting. We
don't make sense. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
For better or worse? Dog AFC West versus NFC North.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
This year, Yes, as West by a good amount, good amount.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
All right.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Finally for better or worse? Dog US Open Tennis versus
US Open golf.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Gonna be that guy. US Open Tennis is the best,
amazing when it ends being in football season is the
only kind of questionable part. But it's always in New York,
so you have New York stuff, and then the night
matches are incredible. And oh yeah, by the way, now
that the Arthur ash Centator has the dome, it's never
rained out, whether it's never an issue. US Open Tennis.
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Stewart to find people who are more annoying than me
that he wants to vent about that's upcoming in the show.
This may be annoying to some, I'm not sure. In
that Jerry Jones continues to sell everything, right, the ultimate
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salesperson can sell ice to the Eskimos. That's the expression.
You have to have a BS in BS and so
Jerry Jones who has And we'll get into it a
little bit later. I commend my boy Jason Stewart on
really tell me, hey, if you're going to watch a documentary,
you need to watch The Cowboys America's team documentary, which
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I have been and I'm so glad he suggested it
because there's so much good content and interesting stuff. But again,
he is Jerry Jones, a salesman. He's even now selling
on Good Morning America. The reasons he pulled to mic
Up Parsonsdale off, we.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Have two kinds of capital or currency in the NFL.
One of them is draft picks. The other is the
financial because every team is limited to the same amount
of resources to spend. And having said that, Mica enabled
us to have four, possibly as many as six players
for the future. That's a good trade. When you need numbers,
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I'll take the numbers every time.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, So suddenly it's basically responsible Jerry, biscally responsible Jerry.
And you know, really this is the Khalil Mack when
he was traded from the Raiders to the Bears sort
of trade. But he's not given us the real reel,
which is, wait, how'd you go from agreeing to a
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deal to trading him? That's a big stretch. And so
there's no talk about the breakdown in the relationship with
the agent, David Mulghetto, who they clearly didn't want to
do business with. We act like Jerry was being sneaky
and doing a deal without the agent, which is probably sneaky,
but three is the reason. They probably just want to
(03:02):
work together. Hey, I'm not working with that guy. You
want to get a deal done with Dallas, Here's how
we're going to do it. So that wasn't asked. We
don't know. We can only assume, and the assumption is
that they have no relationship, especially now because Micah got
the deal that he wanted and he just had to
switch teams, get on a plane and play go from
(03:27):
one historic franchise to another. But the more you try
and explain it, the more you know it's bull crap, right,
I mean, any of us who've told a Wendy told
a story that wasn't true. We know the more you
try and explain it, the more you go into expert
(03:50):
detail over everything, No, no, what really happened was the
more we know it's bull. So do I think that
what he's saying isn't true? No, I think what he's
saying in that trading Micah Parsons opens up a path
for not just the draft picks, but money to acquire
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a bunch of a bunch of players. That's great, but
he's one of a handful of dynamic players that can
completely change a football game because he can be unblockable.
So you have to balance those two things out. And
we're operating as if this was some really well thought
out Hey, we're going to move off of Mica because
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we need more assets, and this is what we all.
If that's what you were going to do, great could
have done the summer. Not You know, when you get
to a week and a half before your first game
and you're forced to take a little bit less and
have a little bit have far fewer teams bidding on
Micah Parsons. Business fluctuations make running a bit manufacturing business complex,
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You know, it's it's fascinating there where Jerry. When you
watch the documentary early on with Jimmy Johnson, you know,
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there's like the trophy and he's clutching it and you know,
the best thing he did was hire Jimmy Johnson. Then
Jimmy Johnson can't take his meddling and so he hires
his boy, Barry Switzer. When Barry Switzer wins it, Barry
Switzer's like, we did this together, we did it our way. Yeah,
this is Jerry's trying to say, I'm gonna do it
(05:37):
my way. And even though he's changing narratives midway through,
you know from Micah Parsons is going to be a cowboy.
He wanted to be a cowboy for a long time
to know. This is all the plan all along. We're
gonna trade him and get the resources to acquire a
couple guys, the draft picks to acquire two guys. It's
just good with Good Morning America. It works because there's
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no real pushback on that show. There's no real Hey,
that's not actually how it works on a football show
there would be. So he's smart enough to know to
keep the discussion going. He's smart enough to know that
all this attention only helps the attention on the Netflix documentary.
He's smart enough to know that if you go on
Good Morning America, they don't double back with you on
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a football question or as Good Morning Football would. So
he's no dope. But he's also not being honest, not
being honest anybody else of the mindset that this is
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going to be a bad game tomorrow night. And I
bring it up because, as Jason has pointed out, these
teams don't practice enough. They're not sharp even mid season.
The product is and what we like now they've been
without Micah Parsons all preseason, so it's not like you
had a quarter you had a running back and now
he's just Hey, he got traded and he's not playing.
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But no one thinks the Cowboys are going to be
great this year? Do we like? They're interesting? They went
out and got George Pickens, talented guy, but he's got
to be their number two. You have two really talented
wide receivers and a good quarterback, but what wins your
games is your ability to pressure the quarterback and you
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gave away the best one that had in the game.
You gotta be able run the football, not turn over.
I don't know if they have that, and it's not
like if they get to the playoffs. DAK has been
great before. But I just think you're at a bit
of a talent disadvantage against the Eagles. And I will
grant you that the Eagles, we don't know what we're
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gonna see from them because of their coordinator changes. But
they have Saquon they have Jalen Hurts, they got a good,
although different offensive line. Doesn't feel like it be a
great game fired obviously. I know with I want your
flex you do view things from fantasy perspective, But what's
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your perspective on tomorrow's game? In general?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I think that it's tough, even though recent history has
showed that the road team can go in and win
a game. We've had this game for about twenty twenty
five years or so, dates back to two thousand and two,
and only six times has the road team won. Now
they've won two out of the last three years. We
saw the Lions go to Kansas City and win a game,
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and then the Bills beat the Rams in LA for
that season opening contest. But I just think that there's
so much juice for the opener for the defending Super
Bowl champs that the Cowboys, no matter what the deficits
that they may have on defense, are just behind the
eight ball because of that game and what it all means.
(08:55):
So I don't think the bottom is going to fall
out for Dallas this year because I think defensively they're
going to be fine. I just don't know how they're
going to be defensively. I just think tomorrow is a
really tough spot for them, and I felt that the
Eagles along your lines. I don't know if you're saying
both teams aren't going to play well, but I just
feel that the Eagles are going to be the better
team tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yes, that's that's my feeling. That's my feeling. We're still
going to watch, just like again, Jase, do you nailed
Oh gosh, yes, No matter what they put out their
first NFL game Thursday night, Cowboys Eagles, We're going to watch.
But we should watch knowing shouldn't have huge expectations of
it being a well played or even a particularly competitive
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football game, and something.
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Speaker 2 (10:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
This is a portion of the daily podcast, but I
want to break out on radio because it's always so good.
Our resident curmudgeon is also our producer. His name's Jason Stewart.
Without further ado, we find out who and what's annoying him.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
Today, and now it's your annoying, hey, Doug.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Charles Barkley was on with Bill Simmons, a Ringer podcast,
and they had this exchange about the NBA.
Speaker 7 (10:46):
I think the NBA has got a big problem. How
are regular fans gonda?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Like?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Okay, it's Tuesday Special Nations.
Speaker 7 (10:55):
I putting games where do I go, Well, well, like casino,
sometimes a game is gonna be on Peak and it's
not gonna be on NBC. I think that's a huge dilemma.
I think it's a big deal because they get they
just took all the money from all three networks. I
don't think they give it about the fans, and I
think this is going to come back to bite them,
(11:16):
to be honest with you, and then the thing that's
scared This deal is for eleven years, so now people
can play and all they want to for the next
eleven years.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
They don't give it about the fans.
Speaker 7 (11:25):
They're like, y'all, if y'all find the game, fine, just
make sure to check clears.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
What I find annoying about this is this so Barkley
has him saying that the NBA doesn't give a crop
about the fans. I think carries weight, and I don't
think he's really I think he's he's right about one
thing and then and then he's off. I think the
NBA every single decision they have made from either a
TV rights standpoint or you know, the end season playoff standpoint,
(11:55):
or the uh the extension like playing game it ow
serves their like p Ones. In other words, it always
serves their diehard NBA fans. So I think what Charles
is saying is that I don't think the NBA gives
a crap about the casuals. I'm certainly not going to
go to all the apps to find their product. I
(12:16):
think their die hard fans will. But where Charles is
right is that the NBA has kind of lost sight.
They're running their league like it's some kind of a
niche league like the NHL or the WNBA, where they
have to cater to their diehard fans to keep them
as opposed to opening the tent to everybody else.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I look at it a little differently I do. There
is a certain old man get off my lawn to
Barkley saying all these streaming services, It's like, that's actually
how young fans watch sports. Right, And the old model
of cable or even network TV is it model? So
(13:03):
it is so much based upon perception. The other part too,
it is you know, it will still have network games.
Network television ABC is still a part of it, right,
So it'll still be there. These are all games that
you previously got on cable or couldn't get unless you
had your local cable package, and now you can get
with a streaming service. So I love Charles and I
(13:28):
I don't know. You could say he doesn't care about
the fans, But now you have no matter what service
you have or if you don't have any service, you
can have access to games. So if we're go back,
when Charles played, you only saw the games that were
on your local channel or when they were on weekends
on ABC. Right now you can watch like every game played.
(13:49):
So I actually disagree with them.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
The Roger Goodell and the NFL are pretty brilliant for
bringing in all of Taylor Swift fans. So they brought
in a ton of casuals of the last eighteen years
or eighteen months. This is what Roger Goodell said in
an interview today about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Is Taylor Swift invited to play the Super Bowl this
year the halftime show?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
We would always love to have Taylor play.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
She is a special, special talent and obviously.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
She would be welcome in anytime.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Is it in the works.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
I can't tell you anything about that.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Is it a maybe?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's a maybe?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Okay, Okay, well maybe it's a maybe.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
At what point can we expect a decision to be announced.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
I'm waiting on my friend jay Z to be able to.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It's in his hands.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
I'm waiting for the smoke to come out.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Okay, okay, good but you're a Swift team, definitely Swift.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
That was on the Today Show. Goodell Smart, you go
to Today's show, you talk about Taylor Swift, you bring
people into the tent. I get it. What's annoying is
that I don't need to see Taylor Swift perform songs
at the halftime. I've said this and Dan Bayer called
me out on it. This pisses Dan off, but I
think Taylor Swift songs are made for teenage girls. So me,
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as a fifty two year old man, I don't need
to sit through ten to fifteen minutes of Taylor Swift songs.
I'm annoyed by that, and Dan will be quick to
tell me they're made for people of all ages. I
think they're made for teenage girls. I'm not the audience,
so I'm annoyed by the prospect of Taylor Swift doing
the halftime.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Well, I have the opposite opinion, not because I don't
agree with you, but I isn't that the whole thing
with halftime show, it's you have to have a reason
for people who are not the p ones to pay
attention and watch the first half. It's like even better,
like why would a teenage girl watch the Super Bowl?
She wouldn't. Now it's grown into now where you have
(15:47):
you know, pre professionals and professional women. And but yeah,
that's that's the target demo for halftime because not the
target demo for the Super Bowl? What else? Who else
annoying you?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Framber is a very good pitcher for the Astros. I
think he's been up for like Cy Young recently in
recent years. Left hander. He gave up a Grand Slam
last night to Trent Grisham, who has a lot of
holes in his bat, and Framber Valdez got so pissed
off at his catcher, Seesar Sanchez. I guess Sanchez either
(16:22):
called the wrong pitch or asked Framber to step off
the rubber. Whatever it is, you can find it on
John Boy right now if you look. There's a breakdown
of it. So this is how Framber Valdez chose to
handle his catcher. The next batter, his catcher called for
a curveball, was expecting a curveball. And Framber Valdez threw
it right down the middle into the wrist of his
(16:44):
catcher to cross him up, a ninety six mile hour
fastball to the wrist, to cross up your catcher and
to I guess, punish him for how he called a
pitcher earlier. They spoke and say that they're good, and
the framber apologized. Somebody's line and I think it's fran
Ber Valdez. I think that was a bush league move
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by an awful player on a cheating team.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Tell me how you really feel. Ah, that was awesome.
That was awesome. Uh can I can I throw in one?
And Dan Byro if you have one that's something that's
annoying you, I have one I have. And again I'm
giving credit to you, Jaysetu for going. You need to
watch the Cowboys documentary. The the Michael Irvin aspect of
(17:38):
it is so good because, as you pointed out, Jay
s dou he's one of like two people who would
talk about the White House and no one else talked
about it. It's like, hey, you know, it's a documentary.
You don't have to tell him anything if you don't
want to tell him anything. It's basically a Jerry Jones
promo piece. But it was it was kind of it's
(18:01):
annoying to me that they let Michael Irvin get away
with basically saying, hey, from the end of the season
until April, he could party and do whatever he wanted.
That's when he got caught with cocaine. When there was
no follow up to like, well, did you do cocaine
in the season? Were you a drug addict? Like what
was because there's all these conflicting Hey, I only did
(18:24):
it in it in the spring. Yet you went to
the White to the White House, which was a residential
house where they had all these orgies and drugs or whatever. Again,
it's all assumed in there, but you have a guy,
you have guys sitting chairs. And the other one that
they didn't do in the documentary was there's no discussion
about Skip Bayless telling people that Troy Aikman was gay, right, Like,
(18:48):
you're gonna have racist allegations in there, but you're not
gonna have And Skip was in the dock. Troy Aikman's
in the dock. It was a gigantic story. It's still
kind of a story. It lay the groundwork for why
Treygman does not like Skip Bayless wasn't discussed. It's any
why you got anything annoying?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You just to once you've complimented Jay Stu or complimented
Jay Stue this show. It's been like nineteen times you've
said what a great job Jay Stu has just I mean, Sam, like,
can you agree like it's been over the top, Okay,
don't it's been disproportionate. Yeah, yes, I agree. That's a
that's a good way to.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Play disproportionate ass kicking of our producer, Doug Gottliebiz. All right,
it's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
The great E O'Connor joins us. He's a calumnist for
the Athletic but he co authored a book with You
Got a Head coach Danny Hurley called Never Stop Life,
(19:47):
Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great. It's available
later this month. You can preorder it now. Ian, thanks
so much for joining us. Their Hurly name is synonymous
with basketball and Dan he was, you know, as players.
He was the other brother and now he's won you know,
two national championships as a head coach and doing it
(20:09):
in his own kind of unique way. What was the
impetus of the idea of writing a book with it.
When did this actually start.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Yeah, I've known Danny and now known as Dan. He
wants it that way, but some people refuse to call
him Dan. They still call him Danny. And we all
from my generation. I'm sixty one and I knew Danny
when he was six years old, and so I've been
around his father and that family for a long time,
and remember seeing Bob Hurley Senior coaching at Saint Anthony's
(20:39):
in Jersey City back in the day when Bobby and
Danny were really young, and almost being terrified of him.
When I was in eighth grade watching him coach. The
intensity was off the charts. Well, you see the same
intensity in Dan today at Yukon and that was the
rocket fuel behind their two national championships. And so what
(21:01):
we saw this year Doug, as you know, is a
lot of criticism for his approach on the sideline. But
before we got to that point, after he won that
second national title, I called him and I said, Dan,
you should write a book. This is your time. You
came off back to back national championships, which is incredibly
hard to do. You have a great backstory with your family,
(21:24):
and I assumed he had a writer already in mind,
somebody maybe in Connecticut who had covered him. And I
was under contract to do finish another two books, so
I was fine. I just said, you don't need to
do this with me, but you should do a book
with somebody. And I meant that, and he said, no,
if I'm going to do it, i'd want to do
it with you. And then we talked about the what's
(21:46):
the vision for the book? And one thing led to another,
and here we are today, where a few weeks away
from the official launch of the book, which is now
available on Amazon of course in other places. But yeah,
it was me calling him saying, Dan, you need to
do a book with somebody, doesn't have to be me,
and he decided that I was the right person to
do it with.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
How is he in real life as compared to the
in front of the camera life.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
I think that Dan is a sensitive guy, and I
do think that things like the criticism he faced last
season did really bother him. But Dan is a very
loving and loyal person. And I think the one thing
that readers would be surprised at not you, because you're
a division one coach and you've been around the game forever.
(22:35):
But Dan does not yell at his individual players during
a game. Now, in a timeout, he might yell at
the group, and certainly in practice it can be a
full contact experience, but during games, when he's going nuts
on the rest and the casionally even getting into it
with the opposing head coach or his assistance, he does
(22:58):
not scream individual at the players because he understood what
that felt like when he was a college player at
Seaton Hall and it didn't make him feel good. So
he's more of a corner man during games, a supporter,
as someone who encourages you, gives you confidence, and I
think that's been missed in the coverage of him nationally
and the way he's perceived. And to be honest with you,
(23:20):
I wasn't necessarily aware of that either when I started
the process, but I think that and that is what's
most important to me when it comes to college athletics,
is how the adults treat the young men or women
who are on their teams, on their rosters. And I
think Dan, if you talk to his players, they don't
(23:41):
want to play for anybody else. They swear by him.
To a kid to a player, and that's something that
I wanted to bring out in this book and I
hopefully we did.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Stut Gottleibe show here on Fox Sports Radio in O'Connor
is our guest. The new book is called Never Stop Life,
Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great. Authored it
with two time National championship head coach Danny Hurley or
Dan Hurley. What I there's There are so many different
aspects to his life and his path to this to
(24:16):
success which are interesting, but some of it has been
told through TV. When you know you make the final four's,
people they try and do these personal interest stories and
tell thics. What's one that's in the book that people don't.
Speaker 8 (24:29):
Know well The depth of his depression that he suffered
as a student at s Eaton Hall. He gets through
some pretty dark places. I'm not sure the average fan
is necessarily fully aware of that, and I think in
the book bringing out his humanity was important to me.
And there was an excerpt today on the athletics website
(24:53):
about Dan really struggling after this past season, really human
thoughts about should I resign three decades straight of high
intensity coaching without a break, without a single break, and
after a very challenging and difficult season against measured against
their standard of winning national championships, and the criticism he
(25:15):
took left him very vulnerable and thinking about walking away.
Do I need to resign as the head coach of
the Yukon Huskies. And he was very candid with me
about that human struggle he felt, and the price you
pay to compete at the highest levels of college sports today,
and also the changing nature of the game where now
(25:37):
recruiting is all about how much can you pay a kid?
And that's not the way he was raised in the business.
Recruiting is about relationships, or at least they used to be,
and also having a great program that would attract people.
And really, now it comes down and how much are
you going to pay me? And I know I never
thought it would get to that point in college sports.
I'm sixty one years old, and if you told me
(25:59):
that forty years ago this would be the case, I
never would have believed it. And I think he's a
similar mindset. But all that sort of put together in
a cauldron of bubbling emotion left him in a place
where he thought about walking away. Now, he didn't leave
Yukon the previous summer, despite being offered seventy million dollars
(26:20):
to coach the most glamorous franchise in the NBA, the Lakers,
And this time he didn't walk away either. I guess
the author of Never Stop should not stop, and he didn't.
But I think that that will surprise the reader is
just how emotionally cooked he was at the end of
last season, how he was sitting there just wondering if
he should even continue as a college coach. He ultimately
(26:42):
decided to come back, and they have a really good roster,
a better roster than they had last year. But I
think that'll be surprising the most readers.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
And did I read write that he nearly left just
to be an analyst at Fox Sports.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
He had some conversations with he told me a TV
executive Andrew marsh and reported today it was Fox. Now
it makes sense his former agent, Jordan Design is a
Fox executive. So yeah, I think that that was something
he thought he could do for one year, basically, take
a gap year, do some TV and then recharge and
(27:19):
come back. Now he'd have to come back somewhere else
in college basketball or the NBA. I do think, and
this is really more my opinion, I think he will
coach in the NBA before he retires. I do think
that he wants to scratch that itch, if you will
take that shot. At some point. I think he wants
to win another national championship or two at Yukon. So
(27:39):
I think he'll be at Yukon for a number of
years before he possibly makes that move. And again, this
is really more my opinion. But if you told me
he was head coach of the New York Micks seven
years from now, I would not be surprised.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
That.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Being said, there are very few coaches who are as animated,
maybe any that as animated as he is in the pros.
What do you think of the adjustment he'll have to
make to coach in the NBA in terms of his approach.
Speaker 8 (28:14):
It's a great question, Doug, And he does believe like
his father now. I was surprised when he told me
this that his father, as he got older, mellowed out
a little bit and got a little kinder and gentler
and maybe a little more user friendly or player friendly.
I was surprised that he made that observation, and he
suspects the same thing will happen to him now. It's
(28:36):
hard to believe looking at Dan Hurley today that you
could see him calming down, for lack of a better expression,
as he gets into his mid to late fifties. But
he believes that will happen and make him then more
compatible with what the NBA is, as we all know,
it's a players league, and so listen. He seriously considered
the Lakers, and he did believe he could coach Lebron
(28:59):
James games. And I said to him later, you know,
if you knew Luca was going to be traded there,
would you have taken that job? And he said, no,
I would have made the same decision because I'm not
really ready to coach in the NBA yet, and I
think I do need to change a little bit. And
along the lines of what he said, his father went
through that change. So I again the way I look
(29:22):
at it, the way I look at his career after
spending a lot of time with him last season, I
do believe that he will take on that challenge as
the last challenge of a great career. To me, he's
already a Hall of Famer as a college coach, but
to take that last step and prove he can do
it at the highest level. I do think that's something
(29:43):
that intrigues him down the road in something that he
ultimately will do.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
What's the dynamics of the family, Like, you know, Bobby
was always the star growing up. Now Bobby has had
a successful but kind of up and down coaching career,
whereas Danny we mentioned for how he is used as
a player, the slow and steady climb and now of
the champion coach. Of course, the dad is the legend.
(30:08):
What's the dynamics of that family like now?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Yeah, I think everyone is. Everyone gets along and supports
each other. And obviously their father's now retired, but he's
arguably the greatest high school boys basketball coach ever in
this country. And Morgan Wooton would be in that conversation
as well. I think that it's interesting, right the dynamic
has flipped where and he was the other player and
(30:33):
now Bobby is sort of the other coach. But Bobby
has a very, very challenging job, and he has done
a good job at Arizona State, but that is a
tough job. The conference are in now and it's not
really a basketball school. I actually lived on that campus
right next to the arena back in nineteen eighty six
eighty seven out of college. And so I know a
(30:55):
little bit about Arizona State and its history, and it's
just not a basketball school. So I do think Bobby
has done a good job there and will continue to
do so. But Dan, you know, he's shown up at Yukon.
That's not easy either because the standard there was national championships.
Jim Calhoun won three, Kevin Ollie won one, and it's
amazing that story on the women's side and the men's side.
(31:17):
What a school in stores Connecticut has done in college
basketball women's and men's divisions is unbelievable, and when you
look at where it's located. So Dan, when he arrived
at Yukon, he had to win national championships and he's
done that. He's done an incredible job measuring up to
that expectation. And I do think he'll win another one
(31:37):
or two, certainly before he ever leaves that school. And
it might be this year. The motto last year was dynasty.
You could have that same motto this year if they win.
If they win three out of four, that's certainly a dynasty.
Last year a disappointment, but hey, he almost beat the
ultimate national champion in Florida in the second round the
(31:58):
NCAA Tournament. He was a testament to Dan's coaching ability
with that roster. I thought Dan the coach really outperformed
that Dan the GM last year and actually did a
very good job with what he had to work with,
and he almost picked off Florida in the second round,
and that shouldn't be forgotten.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Ian O'Connor, you got to check out this new book.
It's outstanding as thanking. Anything he writes is one. Read
his work in the athletic follow him on social media
and pick up Never Stop Life Leadership What it Takes
to Be Great spailable later this month. You can pre
order it now. He co authored it with two time
National Championship head coach Dan Hurley. Ian, you're the best man.
(32:38):
Let's talk in soon. Thanks for being our.
Speaker 8 (32:40):
Guests, Hey, Doug, thanks so much and best of luck
in Green Bay this year.
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Ah, yes, that was the call. The Yankees have won one, two, three, four, five,
six seven eight of their last nine games. Oh, maybe
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a game.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show day.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What's giving it?
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Doug?
Speaker 5 (34:00):
The game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 3 (34:04):
All right, Doug? For better or worse? Week one Football?
The matchup here where you tell us which one is
better or worse than the other. Thursday Night NFL Action
versus Friday Night NFL Action.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Oh, Friday Night's better Chiefs charges plus I mean the
Cowboys without Cowboys. Everybody likes, enjoys watch them lose, but
sure don't have Micah Parsons. Feels like a bit of
a mismatch.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Neutral stadium in Brazil, toss the home field advantage. You
don't want to go to Philadelphia? All right? Moving along?
For better or worse? Week one of the college football
season versus Week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Hard call. I'm gonna go Week one of the NFL season.
You know you have ears with the NFL. Is smart, right,
you have Chiefs Chargers. That's a divisional game. You got
Cowboys Eagles divisional games, so you have some rivalries there.
You know you go Cincinnati Cleveland again, divisional matchup. I
like that one. Giants and Commanders again, traditional matchup, Packers, Lions,
(35:13):
Baltimore and Buffalo. Amazing, even Houston the Rams. It's great
slate of games. Week one NFL by a mile over
Week one of the college football.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
For better or worse, we're talking red zone here with
commercials versus without commercials. Scott Hansen revealing today out that
the new red zone will have commercials.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah that sucks.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So with commercials is actually worse.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Worse with commercials is worse than.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
All right, something new we'll see in the NFL this year.
Rivalry uniforms, Doug for better or worse? NFL rivalry uniforms
versus NBA Cup courts. You know those wacky NBA Cup
courts that we see these wacky NFL rivalry uniforms. What's
better or worse?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I think the wacky courts are worse. They're distracting. We
don't make sense. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
For better or worse? Dog AFC West versus NFC North.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
This year, Yes, as West by a good amount, good amount.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
All right.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Finally for better or worse? Dog US Open Tennis versus
US Open golf.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Gonna be that guy. US Open Tennis is the best,
amazing when it ends being in football season is the
only kind of questionable part. But it's always in New York,
so you have New York stuff, and then the night
matches are incredible. And oh yeah, by the way, now
that the Arthur ash Centator has the dome, it's never
rained out, whether it's never an issue. US Open Tennis.
(36:53):
That's it for better or worse? Coming up next to
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