January 30, 2025 • 37 mins
Ben Volin covers the NFL for the Boston Globe, he joins Doug to talk about Justin Tucker, the Super Bowl matchup and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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This week is usually a weird week because you can't
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really you know, you start the week talking about last
weekend's games, and you can't really talk about a week
and a half from now when we have a Super
Bowl where the Kancy Chiefs we'll try and become the
first ever back to back to back champions of the
National Football League and the Philadelphia Eagles are going to
try and win their second Super Bowl. Can't really talk
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about that feels too far in advance. The lead NBA story.
The lead NBA story is Terry Rogier sounds like he
was gambling on games or had some erratic betting habits,
which means we have yet another case. We had one
last year obviously of a guy who may or may
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not have affected the outcome of his own stats or
of the game. And if it's proven to be true,
well then you never play basketball again. That's the way
it works, right, And then you have college basketball. I
want to get to in a second with a story
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from SI dot com about Cooper Flag and I am
in the rare position to be a college basketball coach
and be able to talk about player because Cooper Fight's
never gonna play for me. I wish he's He's awesome.
But you know, I don't think I've ever asked the
guys this, but it is interesting to me what your
guy's perspective is because we have this thing now where
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in it depends upon the professional sport you're in, but
you are, even in the NFL, allowed to bet on
other sports. And I'm not like old school or a
stick in the mud. I just I've never done it, right.
I mean, even back to when I was a broadcaster alone,
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I didn't do it. Now as a college basketball coach.
I know I can't do it in terms of betting
on sports right, terms of betting on sports, But betting
on sports is different than just gambling. I would think.
On the other hand, you can run up a debt
gambling and there's still the inherent trappings of if you
owe somebody money, then what will you do for that money?
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Cause that's the reason that you stayed away from gambling
so much when I was a player. Is the FBI
comes and talks to college basketball programs, college football programs
and says, hey, look, here's what they do when you
owe money, and they threating if you don't pay up.
You know, they either make you throw a game or
make you pay up, or something's gonna happen. And a
lot of those threats with the wrong people end up
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getting lived out. So that was enough for me. That
was like, remember that video is Scared Straight when we
were in high school. I know Jay Stu remembers it
because we both grew up in southern California. Right. Was
that red Was it called red asphalt? Is that what
it's called? I think it was like red asphalt where, yeah,
where they would show you a video of post post
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DUI accidents, and he'd be like, Wow, I'm not gonna
ever drink and drive. Ever could have drink and drive.
Just remember that when you get to college and you're
playing college athletics, the FBI comes and sits with your
entire team and shows you videos. You're like, I am
not betting on college sports, No chance. But there is
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something really interesting about today, and it relates to the
Justin Tucker thing, with the Terry Rogier thing, which is
and I've seen it already on social media, which we've
already convicted Justin Tucker. Again, I don't know. It has
nothing to do with whether or not I like or
dislike Justin Tucker as a professional. I've always been in
awe of his performances. Obviously, this year was much more
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of a struggle than ever before. Whereas Deshaun Watson, who
had a sterling reputation, then had forty some odd people
accuse him of inappropriate sexual behavior in some form or fashion,
mostly in the same context right massage, private massage, therapist,
massage parlor, whatever, And again we have convicted him in
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the court of public opinion. Terry Rosier, they're investigating. There's
been no trial, there's been no chargers. There's obviously been
no conviction, and I just wonder, So I guess, I guess.
Here's the question I have to you. I know how
I think about my I think about it is like, look,
their accusations, they're damning, and generally, when you have more
than one or two people accusing you of these things,
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probably feels like there's a little bit more truth than
just it being completely made up. On the other hand,
I don't know, and I do think that I don't think.
I know. We live in a country where you're allowed
to be presumed innocent and then yet be proven guilty.
But I don't think we do that anymore. Everybody's just
guilty and then they have to prove themselves innocent, which
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is the opposite of how it's supposed to be. It
doesn't mean I'm not taking the accusation against Justin Tucker seriously.
I will. Doesn't mean I'm not taking the accusations against
Terry Rose here seriously. We will. But the level that
social media takes and goes like, yep, he did it,
get him out of the league, Yep, he did it.
Never played basketball again, I just I don't know. Again,
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not presented with any facts. I don't really know how
we're supposed to process it byer, What do you think
you've been in this thing a long time?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well, go ahead, Yeah, two things.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I think that the Justin Tucker accusations are separate from
what is completely separate from the Terry Rozier thing.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I'll quick touch on the Terry Roseer thing.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
The thing that popped up into my brain when I
read what it was about was the NBA said that
they investigated this and found no wrongdoing. Yet the FBI
is now investigating. And then so I wonder how shoddy
these NBA investigations actually are in wanting to find things
or really actively trying to find things, Because there seems
to be some smoke here in this situation with this
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game for Rogier when he was a member of the Hornets,
so they played when they played the Pelicans in March
of twenty twenty three, this Tucker situation. In reading the
piece from the Baltimore banner, if you just took the
name and the team and maybe the mention of the
team colors in city out of it, it reads like
it's Deshaun Watson. Maybe not to the extent of Deshaun Watson.
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But it sure reads like it could be what Deshaun
Watson was doing in Houston, where you had a group
of therapists who didn't know each other claimed that he
had these actions, that these they've had these experience involving
Tucker and these actions during several massage periods. There's even
some massage therapists who have been quoted as saying Tucker's
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been nothing but professional. But if you took all of
the stuff that we know and the specifics out of it,
it reads very much like what we were reading during
the Deshaun Watson case.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Jase, do what do you think?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
But the Justin Tucker thing is great read. I recommend
going out and finding all the details great and that
it's it's fascinating, as Dan says, and how how like
presumptive he is and how seemingly callous he is to
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people's feelings. I I always side with the uh with
the people do in the allegations when they are separate
cases that can't corroborate. I think that was my main
takeaway from the documentary about Michael Jackson, and I think
it was what never something never land whatever. Two guys
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with the almost the exact same stories that had never
met each other. To me, that speaks a lot. And
that's why I think Deshaun Watson did everything he's been
accused of. The Terry Rogier thing is that I just
don't know enough about. It does strike me that he's
made a ton of money. You know, whatever the NBA
player was that has been kicked out of the league
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within the last six months, I forget his name, Johntay Porter.
He was like a low level guy with a fairly
low salary. If I'm not mistaken, Rogiers made a ton
of money, so that this would be a first as
far as that's concerned.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
As far as a well known not an all star okay,
and frankly better as a bench player. But yeah, a
guy who you one would think would have the money
to cover any losses. If that was the logical reason
behind why he would, you know, perform overly poorly or
in a game and throw a game, right, that's the
It's the other kind of idea to it, Sammy, what
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do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I mean?
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I can't really add on anymore than what you know.
How Dan put it in context and Jason put it
in context. I don't know enough about the Rogier stuff either.
But I will say, yes, this just sounds like Deshaun
Watson similar behavior, but maybe on a smaller scale. Obviously
it goes back now of starting thirteen years ago up
until twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So maybe you know, some of the.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Alleged the the you know, alleged accusers had the bravery
in the last few years to kind of come forward
and now this is finally coming out.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
But that part is that part is weird, right that
a lot of this occurred between twenty twelve and twenty
sixteen and we're in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Twenty five.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh sorry, go ahead, I'll tell you something that that
popped into my mind. I didn't say it in the
in the first part, but the Deshaun Watson allegations in
Houston didn't come until he wanted out of Houston. He
wanted to be you know, to be traded, and didn't
want to play for the team anymore. So the first
allegation emerges then, and these allegations emerge after Tucker as
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a bad season in Baltimore, a season that we would
think is very unjustin Tucker like, and it's almost like
they couldn't bring these things up during the height of it,
because they would get buried in the fandom of that team.
But it almost seems like it's available for Tucker now
where Okay, maybe Justin Tucker isn't that great of a
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player anymore, and maybe he is expendable, and I think
people will point and say, yeah, that's the reason, But
I actually think it's the opposite of maybe these allegations
wouldn't have been taken seriously if it was a if
you were the bell of the ball, if you will,
in that city. It's almost like that there's a parallel
of when there was maybe discord between the player and
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the team or the player didn't play as well, that
these allegations came out. Just I found that parallel interesting.
But I think it's more of an accuser actually feeling
comfortable or maybe even the Baltimore Banner and whatever outlet
feeling comfortable that they can actually get somewhere with it
without being maybe bombarded by the team or overtaken by
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the team or the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean there was even the weird Tucker's lawyers
said it was unremarkable and not news that he might
become exposed during massage athletes often shipped around due to
discomfort that a company's bodywork and massage therapists themselves are
the ones who adjust the coverings. They said, right, like
it's the there's a little bit of arrogance in how
they're approaching this thing. Yeah, I don't know. Like again,
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I don't know why. It's eight years, nine years removed
from the last of these incidents where we're sitting there
going okay, now, Justin Tucker turns out he's a creep
because he's also missing field goals and extra points. I
don't know, but I do think that it's I do
think there's a connection there because there's both stories. They're
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both interesting, and they're both things that assuredly happen again,
whether or not Justin Tucker asked for or made someone
give him some sort of sexual massage. None of us
are dumb enough to think that, you know, that type
of massage at some massage parlors doesn't take place for
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a nominal fee. Just like, if we're all like reasonable,
it doesn't mean that every NBA player bets on sports
even when they're not supposed to. But we know there
are some guys out there, and if there are people
doing it. It stands the reason that there might there's
probably a guy or two who might have done a
thing or two to pay off some of their debts.
Like these are all reasonable things. All that being said,
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like again, are we a country where you're innocent until
proven guilty? And the Justin Tucker thing, frankly just like
the Seawan Watson think. I'm not giving to Shawn Watson
a pass, but I have to mention there were no
criminal charges, right, I have to mentioned there there were
no criminal charges, correct, So it's unfair for me to
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call him a criminal when no criminal charges were made
against him. And as much as we sit there and
go like, yeah, well he signed off and signed away
a couple of million dollars or whatever for people to
sign NDAs for these cases to go away, look, I
agree that optically it looks bad, but if we're real,
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if you go to court, okay, if you go to court,
you open up everything else in your life to be
put on trial, not just what you did there in
a he said, she said. So this is not me
saying it's ever okay to sexually assault or act inappropriately
towards a woman. It is not. It is not and
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again as a leader of a college basketball program, it
is stated time and again. One we have Oneida casino, Like, hey, guys,
like one, none of you have the money for it,
and two, you know what you can't be doing. It
can't be bet on sports. And if you're twenty one,
I wouldn't even go in there. As much as you
think it's a good time, you just getting up losing
your money anyway, So I don't go in I haven't
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gone in there myself. And then in terms of when
we have guys that have we have a massage therapists
that we have guys go once twice a week, and
the statement has been made to them several times over nothing,
nothing inappropriate, nothing inappropriate, and we make sure our guys
are clothed just you know, it's not even worth getting
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anywhere near that. So I do know that these things
do exist. I also know that we are in a
country where you're supposed to be in US until proven guilty.
And here are two salacious stories with some things that
really make you go damn. I think this might have happened,
but we can't allow ourselves mental, lead emotionally to go there.
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I think it's weird. Because we go ahead.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Why why can't you have an opinion about it?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I can have an opinion about it, but I don't
know what's real and what's not. As much as I
think it's bizarre to think anyone would ever make up
a story about being sexually assaulted. What's why am I thinking?
What's the baseball player's name? Who?
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Now?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He does barstool stuff that we had on the pitcher,
He won the Cy Young Award, he was the Dodger.
What am I? What am I thinking of? Trevor Trevor Bauer, Okay,
Trevor Bower and she had pictures of bruises and and
each one of us was like, dude, Trevor Bauer. We
had a segment on radio going like, if this is true,
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he can never touch a baseball ever again. And most
of our points is like, it doesn't even have to
be totally true. Just even if she asked to be
beaten up like you, you couldn't put him back on
a baseball team, right. That was the whole Dodger's thing
was like, we don't care if it's true not true.
If you laid your hands on a woman, we can't
have you on our team.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Here's the interesting thing about that, though this was at
the time, it was one woman, and so it was
a true he said. She said to Jason's point, Deshaun
Watson had like thirty. This is six. I mean, it
doesn't rise up to thirty, but at least it's six
different massage therapists who had no idea working at different
spas or some of them working at different spas at
the time. And in Bauer's case, he's still not back
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in the league. Yeah, and for just the one scenario
where it ended up finding and what may play into
that is maybe Trevor Bauer was also not the greatest teammate,
so now it's not worth the risk of a team
to do it. And that goes to my point of
not that Tucker wasn't a good teammate or Watson was
a good teammate, but their value of who they are
or where they are with their team was not as
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high as it was before where a team would maybe
stick up for them or even god forbid, try to
railroad some of these allegations so they never come to light.
You know, that's I think that they're those are the
are I think it's.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
A very real discussion. You don't have you shouldn't have
to feel bad about it. Right, there's there's in multi
billion dollar corporations like the NFL. There's no question that
there's a fixer for every team that tries to keep
situations like this other situations quiet. And do you keep
it quiet if you really want this guy to go away?
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It's a great question. I don't know the answer to it.
I don't know the answer to it. Look, I think
this discussion is a good one, Havel. I just think
that we got to make sure. I think again, Mike.
Our charge for our radio show, Okay, for the four
of us is like to be able to talk about
this stuff and then be able to point out like, hey,
we don't know, we don't know, and eventually there'll be
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a court case or maybe they won't. Maybe somebody rights
to check it and goes away and we never know.
We never know. But the other part too, it is Yeah,
then it's the Justin Tucker who proposed to his and
now wife you know, on the on the on the
roof of you know five, our hotel in Baltimore. Everything
he's done is faith based, and he's seen as this
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kind of angelic sort of figure, sort of like Deshaun
Watson was when he was in Houston, and now do
you think, okay, that was completely a farce. And here
he is a sexual predator, right, which is what he's
being purported as. Like those are damning allegations. I don't
know what the answer is. I really don't know. And
then with Terry Rogier, it's the you know, I think
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we all operated under the And this is what I
think Jason was getting to. Javonte Porter is like, yeah,
his brother makes a ton of money, but he doesn't.
So if he gets down in gambling, he always got
to do his throw one game, screw up one stat line.
And we're all good high level players, guys that have
you know, nine figures in their bank account, they would
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never have to do such a thing. And this may
show us that that's not true.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
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covers the NFL for the Boston Globe and Ben, obviously
we want to talk coaching hirings, coaching firings and two
teams that are going to play for the Super Bowl.
But what have you heard in regards to this Justin
Tucker story.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I'm just catching up on it, same as you and
the rest of your audience that assumed dog. I just
saw it come across Twitter. Within the last fifteen minutes
or so, Justin Tucker has come out and Vietmi Ley
denied it. Now, the NFL will obviously investigate.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
How thorough or what that all entails, but I'm sure
they're going to be trying to contact some of the
people who are listened in the article. And you know what,
I think it just speaks to the heightened awareness that
the Deshaun Watson incident has brought to situations like that
where maybe back in the day, something like that would
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have been swept under the rug, and now people want
to be speaking out. But again, these are just allegations.
I can't tell you the first thing, whether you know
how much credibility there is to it. Obviously this is
for the you know, the courts, if that's where it
heads to or what have you. But I do think
it speaks to, you know, in today a climate today,
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in part because of Deshaun Watson, where these things aren't
going to get brushed aside anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Ben Vollen from the Boston Globe. All right, Ben,
let's let's get to the games of last weekend. You
are a reporter, but you're also super neutral, right, You
don't have any ties to KSE and no love the KSE,
nor do you actually particularly care about the other side.
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Right about about the Buffalo Bills. What were your thoughts
when you're watching that game in terms of in regards
to the officiating.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Uh yeah, thank you for saying that. I do not
have any dog in the fight. I'm simply a neutral
observer who loves watching football. And don't give me the
refs costs to Bills the game. I don't want to
hear it enough with the blaming the ref The spot
was questionable. You know, we could get into you know,
I could go all day about how even lasers and
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putting a chip in the football, which they have, that's
not going to solve the issue because you still have
to figure out where ford progress is stopped and where's
the fall, and it's it's always going to come down
to some sort of human judgment. That happened with over
twelve minutes left in the game. The Bills had everything
in front of them, down by three points three and
a half minutes ago, and they stall at midfield, you know,
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the crucial fourth down there, they're outwitted by Steve Spagnolo
and Josh Allen is forced to heave up a prayer
of his back which miraculously found a receiver, and then
Dalton and Kate of course dropped the ball. So like again,
don't tell me that the refs cost the Bills. The
Bills cost the Bills, and Sean McDermott once again didn't
have his team ready to go. His defense gave up
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the chief season high in points thirty two points. They
came out, got punch in the mouths, she took a
twenty one to ten lead, and once again it's just
you know, Sean McDermott's team wasn't buttoned up, didn't have
a great plan of attack, comes up short in the
biggest moments. They didn't have James Cook on the field
for some reason. So you know, it's all right there
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for the Bills, and they couldn't take it once again.
And I think they've got to really look hard in
the mirror, and I think there's a good case to
be made that Sean McDermott is kind of like Tony Dungeon,
who did a great job in building the Bucks up
to be perennial contenders, but they needed John Gruden to
win them that Super Bowl. And I think that's where
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the Buffalo Bills probably are right now.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
With Sean McDermott the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's go to the other side. The Eagles take down
the Commanders, but the Eagles still seem to have a
little bit of dysfunction, right with Jalen Hurts saying they
finally took off the straight jacket, and I mean, they
played a team they were far better than. What's the
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likelihood that the Eagles can pull off this win considering
their offense has been pretty dysfunctional most of the year.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
It has been, although it's a great sign that they
broke out in the biggest game of the season, the
NFC Championship Game, and obviously something a lot of that
had to do where some of that had to do
with the Commanders fumbles and those turnovers. But you know,
I definitely think that the Eagles have a very real
chance of pulling off this victory. Their offensive line is
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just nasty, and if they can get rolling, and if
they can get Saquon Barkley going, the Eagles defense is
excellent as well, I think better than the Bills defense.
The Eagles are a very complete team. They've won fourteen
out of fifteen games, and it's almost like you don't
even realize that because of what you said. It always
seems like they're dealing with some sort of dysfunction, but
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they're a very complete team. The Chiefs don't really put
anyone away. They're obviously, you know, they've been unbelievable in
one score games this year, twelve and oh. But I mean,
I think this is gonna be just like every other
Chiefs game, and just like that Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl
two years ago. It's gonna come down to the fourth quarter,
It's gonna be a tight game. There might be a
penalty or two that goes in the chiefs favor, but
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there's gonna be a couple of plays at the end
that determines this game, and you know which side can
come out on top. So I definitely think the Eagles
have the comportment to win the Super Bowl. But it
doesn't mean I'm predicting it either. I mean the Chiefs
and Patrick Mahomes, everything they do is just incredible in
the fourth quarter, and how do you pick against those
guys at this point.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure you do. It's Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's the league's
reaction to the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I think the reaction really is about Jerry Jones's performance
at that press conference where he's, you know, talking about
what a risk it is to hire this guy, basically
right to his face and almost like ignoring the fact
that Brian Schottenheimer is sitting right next to him. I
think this is pretty clear about the Cowboys. I don't
think Jerry Jones expected Mike McCarthy to walk away from
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the table, and I wonder if Mike McCarthy regrets it
now that he hasn't come up with a job this year,
he's going to be out of football. I do wonder
if Mike McCarthy has second thoughts about it. But I
don't think Jerry Jones expected it, and I think he
was caught a little flash footed when it did happen,
and so they kind of went through, you know, a search,
but they you know, they pretty much knew what like.
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Jerry Jones has a type. It's got to be an
offensive coach, someone who's not going to cost a ton
of money. He's going to be happy to have the job.
And I think Brian Schottenheimer is just a way of
making Dak Prescott happy. Scott liked Mike McCarthy and wanted
the Cowboys to keep him, and so with Brian Schottenheimer,
you at least have Dack's offensive coordinator, You have some
continuity on that side of the football. I just think
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Jerry Jones didn't really want to make seism mc moves
with his football team. So Brian Schottenheimer is kind of,
you know, the candidate that keeps continuity with the team.
But you know, it's great theater, it's a great reality show.
Gotta love the drama that Jerry Jones brings to his team,
but it's got to be absolutely infuriating for the fan base.
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And I don't think it's a coincidence that this team
has now gone thirty years without reaching a conference championship team.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It does seem to not be a coincidence. There's no
question about Pete Carroll with the Raiders. What's the reaction
around the league?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
So I think two things are true about this high
one first, it I mean, when when you're the Raiders
and you're hiring seventy three, almost seventy four year old
Pete Carroll, I mean, with all due respect it to me,
it showed how this was really the worst job out there,
and how no one wants this job right now because
you know you're gonna get fired in a year.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And a half.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
That's just that's Mark Davis's history with pretty much every
coach that he hires. And you don't have a great
path to a quarterback. You know, they have this sixth
or the seventh pick right now, there's a bunch of
teams ahead of them in the draft that also need
a quarterback, so just kind of a wasteland of a job,
and the fact that you're having the land on Pete Carroll,
like man, I think it shows how no one really
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wanted the job, that'said. I think Pete's actually a great
hire given all that. I think he's still a great coach.
He's going to set the culture there, and he's got
a very good track record, and you know, he's a
usc guy, and all the Raiders fans are from LA
so they're probably into Pete Carroll and I actually think,
you know, it's a pretty good hire to hopefully get
that team back on track over the next few years.
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I don't think it's a long term plan because of
where Pete Carroll is in his career, but given how
much they probably struggled to find candidates, you know what,
Pete Carroll I think still has something left, so it
could end up being a pretty good hire for them.
But what I am surprised at is that Tom Brady
goes and hires a seventy three year old coach and
(28:13):
it's Pete Carroll and not Bill Belichick. I know Bill
Belichick has a ten million dollar buyout with Unceve, so
it's not a total apple to apples comparison, but definitely
did not see Brady picking Pete Carroll over Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It is it is a bit, a little bit, a
little bit odd. What now with the Detroit Lions when
they lose both their coordinators.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Well, we see how good of a coach Dan Campbell
is and this is really a test of the culture
that he's built. And you know, it's interesting. I talked
to a couple of years ago. I was at an
NFL owners meeting. I was just hanging out with someone
from the Lion and this was when Ben Johnson was
a hot candidate, maybe two years ago, and I was like,
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are you worried about losing your offensive coordinator? This person
with the Lions was not who did not seem too
upset about the potential of losing Ben Johnson. He was like,
Dan Campbell is really the genius of the offense. People
don't understand how smart this guy is. Maybe he was
just bluster, But now we have a good chance to see,
you know, how much Dan Campbell really is in charge
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of this offense. You know they've hired John Morton now
to run the show. You know, Ben Johnson did incredible
things with that offense, especially given you know his quarterback
was Jared Goff, who I think we all agree is
a good but not a great quarterback. So they have
very high standards now to maintain. But they've got great
personnel and they still have the head guy, Dan Campbell
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in charge, so you know, this will certainly be a
test of the culture that he's built. But I do
think they've got the pieces to keep the momentum going
in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ben, great stuff. As always, really appreciate you, Jonas. It's
never not interesting in the NFL, between Justin Tucker, between
the Dallas Cowboys, the officiating, and of course we do
have a game still to be played week from Sunday.
We love having you on, love the way you cover it.
Thanks being our guest.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
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Speaker 8 (30:39):
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Speaker 2 (30:45):
Hey there, Dan Byer. What's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
The game today is.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I feel a draft? All right?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
This on the heels of Cooper Cup, Cooper Flag, eggs magnificent.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I did the exact opposite yesterday, didn't Yeah, yesterday we
were talking about Cooper Copper maybe two days ago, and
I called Cooper Flag and.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It happens now.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, it's yeah, Coop Coopers such a great name. Used
to be a dog's name, a big dog name, and
then I think Cooper Manning kind of ushered it back
into the phone, right.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, he was solely responsible.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
For it, totally.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
He and Cecil Yes, and and uh, hanging with mister
Cooper Mark.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Curry and mister Cooper Mark Curry.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
It's Cecil. By the way, it was Cecil Fielder and
Cecil Cooper.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Was it that went up to at it?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
All right?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Biggest stars you've seen in the history of college basketball.
This on the month that Cooper Flag has been having
for the Duke Blue Devils. Doug, you have the number
one overall pick. We're talking stars here, not just great players,
but you know that star sort of qual Doug stars
number one. Jason, you're picking second, can I will pick third?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Sam? You have the wrap around picks at four and five.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So we're talking like in my lifetime or we talked
about recently.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I mean I think we can only do on our experiences.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
So I would say, you know, within your last last
forty years or so.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, the biggest star I can remember in college basketball?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Wow, wow, A man.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh boy. I feel like there's three names, three or
four names. I'm gonna go Zion Williamson. Yeah, go Zion Wimson.
He was such a YouTube sensation, a ball is life sensation.
All these overtime, all these different websites that became Twitter
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handles that became big corporations they benefited from his His
high school tapes are ridiculous. We're gonna look back thirty years.
I go like, this is not real. This is Remember
there's the one with the little white kid that guarded
him that was like trying to act all top Yeah
what you know, And even that kid became kind of
like Foster. People followed him and followed up on it.
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He made Duke likable. I'm gonna go Zion Wimson.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
All right, Jason number two.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Thanks Dan, I'll take it from here. I had to
double check the date on this. I saw this this
player in person, March second, nineteen ninety one. UNLV visited
Titan Jim. Larry Johnson the greatest basketball player I've ever
seen on a college court.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Kid pick.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
He was literally a man among boys. I'm not exaggerating.
Of course, they would go on to lose to Duke
that year, but Larry Johnson a couple.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Couple things here. They won. He won a national championship,
I believe in junior college Skyline High School in Dallas,
one national championship his junior year. I don't know if
you know this. They didn't win their league. They didn't
win the piece ce Double A. His junior year. They
won the PCUBA tournament, but New Mexico State won the
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pc Double A that year, and then they won the
national championship. The next year. They're unefeeded and lost to
Duke in the national semi final. But go ahead, and
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
That's all right. I'm up at number three. Two very
good picks. I'm gonna go Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I figure it's right at five. Yeah, start of mine.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
That my college basketball viewing, and I don't think there
was anyone bigger than Patrick Ewing at the time.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
So I'm going to go Patrick Ewing at.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Number three pick. It's a great pick. If you grew
up in southern California like Jason and I did, like
you had a greater familiarity with the Big East than
you did with just about any other league, because you'd
come home Monday, and if you had cable four o'clock,
you'd have these games for all these guys that you
if you're a basketball fan, you watched them at start
at four o'clock, it'd be amazing. I watched a ton
of Patrick Ewing games.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Go ahead, all right, Sammy Sam picks four and five. MM.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Can you guys guess my first pick? I think I'm
it's a woman. Her initials are CC, and she drew
millions of people to their television sets. Watch your Hooper,
just fast forward herald, just keep going with the CC initials.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
How many can of your list off?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
It was Kitlyn Clark who just left Iowa not that
long ago and made big splashes of WNBA, But she
really did draw millions of people who didn't care previously
to their.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
How nervous were you that she was not going to
fall the four?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I was thinking that, like there's one maybe one of
you guys would steal her. But also I was thinking,
maybe you would just leave her for me so I
could take Caitlyn Clark at number four. Enough said, and the.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Page Becker's I'm going to leave this show.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I'm actually going to go with Doug McDermott of of Creighton.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I'm about to leave. Well, let me just explain this.
He led buckets, he led the nation.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
Well, okay, he led the nation in scoring his senior year,
almost twenty seven boards game Round three time, I'm apl
America and he had forty five points against Providence.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
He was.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, he was an incredibly fun player to watch. And
just talking about my era that I kind of grew
up watching college basketball. He was a sensational player. So
I'm Doug McDermott, is my my point?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Did he play in college? What were the years? Twenty fourteen?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Okay, yep, I remember Lisa and I were supposed to
go out one night and I'm like, huh uh, Creighton's playing.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Well, they did play the Missouri Valley and then his
senior year. They were in the Big East. So he
went from like kind of mid major level to the
two to B leagues.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So Doug mcdermot's my pick. I'm gonna take Kenny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh I felt that Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, he was just he was something else.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
He made lethal up and three lethal up in three
just the law again, from high school to college, then
only two years at Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
But I'll take Kenny Anderson at six.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I remember Shaquille O'Neal. I remember watching a lot of
his games at LSU Dominant. I remember them playing Loyola
Merrimount and the score was like one hundred ninety to
one hundred and ninety two. And Chris Jackson was a
Shock's teammate. Dale Brown was a coach, he was a star.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Doug, your final pick.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's a hard one. I'm gonna go with Christian Lainer.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You know, four straight final fours, back to back national
champions He was the only college player on the Dream Team.
Christian Lanner that same time time.
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This week is usually a weird week because you can't
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really you know, you start the week talking about last
weekend's games, and you can't really talk about a week
and a half from now when we have a Super
Bowl where the Kancy Chiefs we'll try and become the
first ever back to back to back champions of the
National Football League and the Philadelphia Eagles are going to
try and win their second Super Bowl. Can't really talk
(00:59):
about that feels too far in advance. The lead NBA story.
The lead NBA story is Terry Rogier sounds like he
was gambling on games or had some erratic betting habits,
which means we have yet another case. We had one
last year obviously of a guy who may or may
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not have affected the outcome of his own stats or
of the game. And if it's proven to be true,
well then you never play basketball again. That's the way
it works, right, And then you have college basketball. I
want to get to in a second with a story
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from SI dot com about Cooper Flag and I am
in the rare position to be a college basketball coach
and be able to talk about player because Cooper Fight's
never gonna play for me. I wish he's He's awesome.
But you know, I don't think I've ever asked the
guys this, but it is interesting to me what your
guy's perspective is because we have this thing now where
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in it depends upon the professional sport you're in, but
you are, even in the NFL, allowed to bet on
other sports. And I'm not like old school or a
stick in the mud. I just I've never done it, right.
I mean, even back to when I was a broadcaster alone,
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I didn't do it. Now as a college basketball coach.
I know I can't do it in terms of betting
on sports right, terms of betting on sports, But betting
on sports is different than just gambling. I would think.
On the other hand, you can run up a debt
gambling and there's still the inherent trappings of if you
owe somebody money, then what will you do for that money?
(02:48):
Cause that's the reason that you stayed away from gambling
so much when I was a player. Is the FBI
comes and talks to college basketball programs, college football programs
and says, hey, look, here's what they do when you
owe money, and they threating if you don't pay up.
You know, they either make you throw a game or
make you pay up, or something's gonna happen. And a
lot of those threats with the wrong people end up
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getting lived out. So that was enough for me. That
was like, remember that video is Scared Straight when we
were in high school. I know Jay Stu remembers it
because we both grew up in southern California. Right. Was
that red Was it called red asphalt? Is that what
it's called? I think it was like red asphalt where, yeah,
where they would show you a video of post post
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DUI accidents, and he'd be like, Wow, I'm not gonna
ever drink and drive. Ever could have drink and drive.
Just remember that when you get to college and you're
playing college athletics, the FBI comes and sits with your
entire team and shows you videos. You're like, I am
not betting on college sports, No chance. But there is
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something really interesting about today, and it relates to the
Justin Tucker thing, with the Terry Rogier thing, which is
and I've seen it already on social media, which we've
already convicted Justin Tucker. Again, I don't know. It has
nothing to do with whether or not I like or
dislike Justin Tucker as a professional. I've always been in
awe of his performances. Obviously, this year was much more
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of a struggle than ever before. Whereas Deshaun Watson, who
had a sterling reputation, then had forty some odd people
accuse him of inappropriate sexual behavior in some form or fashion,
mostly in the same context right massage, private massage, therapist,
massage parlor, whatever, And again we have convicted him in
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the court of public opinion. Terry Rosier, they're investigating. There's
been no trial, there's been no chargers. There's obviously been
no conviction, and I just wonder, So I guess, I guess.
Here's the question I have to you. I know how
I think about my I think about it is like, look,
their accusations, they're damning, and generally, when you have more
than one or two people accusing you of these things,
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probably feels like there's a little bit more truth than
just it being completely made up. On the other hand,
I don't know, and I do think that I don't think.
I know. We live in a country where you're allowed
to be presumed innocent and then yet be proven guilty.
But I don't think we do that anymore. Everybody's just
guilty and then they have to prove themselves innocent, which
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is the opposite of how it's supposed to be. It
doesn't mean I'm not taking the accusation against Justin Tucker seriously.
I will. Doesn't mean I'm not taking the accusations against
Terry Rose here seriously. We will. But the level that
social media takes and goes like, yep, he did it,
get him out of the league, Yep, he did it.
Never played basketball again, I just I don't know. Again,
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not presented with any facts. I don't really know how
we're supposed to process it byer, What do you think
you've been in this thing a long time?
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Well, go ahead, Yeah, two things.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I think that the Justin Tucker accusations are separate from
what is completely separate from the Terry Rozier thing.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I'll quick touch on the Terry Roseer thing.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
The thing that popped up into my brain when I
read what it was about was the NBA said that
they investigated this and found no wrongdoing. Yet the FBI
is now investigating. And then so I wonder how shoddy
these NBA investigations actually are in wanting to find things
or really actively trying to find things, Because there seems
to be some smoke here in this situation with this
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game for Rogier when he was a member of the Hornets,
so they played when they played the Pelicans in March
of twenty twenty three, this Tucker situation. In reading the
piece from the Baltimore banner, if you just took the
name and the team and maybe the mention of the
team colors in city out of it, it reads like
it's Deshaun Watson. Maybe not to the extent of Deshaun Watson.
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But it sure reads like it could be what Deshaun
Watson was doing in Houston, where you had a group
of therapists who didn't know each other claimed that he
had these actions, that these they've had these experience involving
Tucker and these actions during several massage periods. There's even
some massage therapists who have been quoted as saying Tucker's
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been nothing but professional. But if you took all of
the stuff that we know and the specifics out of it,
it reads very much like what we were reading during
the Deshaun Watson case.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Jase, do what do you think?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
But the Justin Tucker thing is great read. I recommend
going out and finding all the details great and that
it's it's fascinating, as Dan says, and how how like
presumptive he is and how seemingly callous he is to
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people's feelings. I I always side with the uh with
the people do in the allegations when they are separate
cases that can't corroborate. I think that was my main
takeaway from the documentary about Michael Jackson, and I think
it was what never something never land whatever. Two guys
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with the almost the exact same stories that had never
met each other. To me, that speaks a lot. And
that's why I think Deshaun Watson did everything he's been
accused of. The Terry Rogier thing is that I just
don't know enough about. It does strike me that he's
made a ton of money. You know, whatever the NBA
player was that has been kicked out of the league
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within the last six months, I forget his name, Johntay Porter.
He was like a low level guy with a fairly
low salary. If I'm not mistaken, Rogiers made a ton
of money, so that this would be a first as
far as that's concerned.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
As far as a well known not an all star okay,
and frankly better as a bench player. But yeah, a
guy who you one would think would have the money
to cover any losses. If that was the logical reason
behind why he would, you know, perform overly poorly or
in a game and throw a game, right, that's the
It's the other kind of idea to it, Sammy, what
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do you think?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I mean?
Speaker 6 (09:03):
I can't really add on anymore than what you know.
How Dan put it in context and Jason put it
in context. I don't know enough about the Rogier stuff either.
But I will say, yes, this just sounds like Deshaun
Watson similar behavior, but maybe on a smaller scale. Obviously
it goes back now of starting thirteen years ago up
until twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
So maybe you know, some of the.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Alleged the the you know, alleged accusers had the bravery
in the last few years to kind of come forward
and now this is finally coming out.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
But that part is that part is weird, right that
a lot of this occurred between twenty twelve and twenty
sixteen and we're in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Twenty five.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Oh sorry, go ahead, I'll tell you something that that
popped into my mind. I didn't say it in the
in the first part, but the Deshaun Watson allegations in
Houston didn't come until he wanted out of Houston. He
wanted to be you know, to be traded, and didn't
want to play for the team anymore. So the first
allegation emerges then, and these allegations emerge after Tucker as
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a bad season in Baltimore, a season that we would
think is very unjustin Tucker like, and it's almost like
they couldn't bring these things up during the height of it,
because they would get buried in the fandom of that team.
But it almost seems like it's available for Tucker now
where Okay, maybe Justin Tucker isn't that great of a
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player anymore, and maybe he is expendable, and I think
people will point and say, yeah, that's the reason, But
I actually think it's the opposite of maybe these allegations
wouldn't have been taken seriously if it was a if
you were the bell of the ball, if you will,
in that city. It's almost like that there's a parallel
of when there was maybe discord between the player and
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the team or the player didn't play as well, that
these allegations came out. Just I found that parallel interesting.
But I think it's more of an accuser actually feeling
comfortable or maybe even the Baltimore Banner and whatever outlet
feeling comfortable that they can actually get somewhere with it
without being maybe bombarded by the team or overtaken by
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the team or the NFL.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean there was even the weird Tucker's lawyers
said it was unremarkable and not news that he might
become exposed during massage athletes often shipped around due to
discomfort that a company's bodywork and massage therapists themselves are
the ones who adjust the coverings. They said, right, like
it's the there's a little bit of arrogance in how
they're approaching this thing. Yeah, I don't know. Like again,
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I don't know why. It's eight years, nine years removed
from the last of these incidents where we're sitting there
going okay, now, Justin Tucker turns out he's a creep
because he's also missing field goals and extra points. I
don't know, but I do think that it's I do
think there's a connection there because there's both stories. They're
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both interesting, and they're both things that assuredly happen again,
whether or not Justin Tucker asked for or made someone
give him some sort of sexual massage. None of us
are dumb enough to think that, you know, that type
of massage at some massage parlors doesn't take place for
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a nominal fee. Just like, if we're all like reasonable,
it doesn't mean that every NBA player bets on sports
even when they're not supposed to. But we know there
are some guys out there, and if there are people
doing it. It stands the reason that there might there's
probably a guy or two who might have done a
thing or two to pay off some of their debts.
Like these are all reasonable things. All that being said,
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like again, are we a country where you're innocent until
proven guilty? And the Justin Tucker thing, frankly just like
the Seawan Watson think. I'm not giving to Shawn Watson
a pass, but I have to mention there were no
criminal charges, right, I have to mentioned there there were
no criminal charges, correct, So it's unfair for me to
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call him a criminal when no criminal charges were made
against him. And as much as we sit there and
go like, yeah, well he signed off and signed away
a couple of million dollars or whatever for people to
sign NDAs for these cases to go away, look, I
agree that optically it looks bad, but if we're real,
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if you go to court, okay, if you go to court,
you open up everything else in your life to be
put on trial, not just what you did there in
a he said, she said. So this is not me
saying it's ever okay to sexually assault or act inappropriately
towards a woman. It is not. It is not and
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again as a leader of a college basketball program, it
is stated time and again. One we have Oneida casino, Like, hey, guys,
like one, none of you have the money for it,
and two, you know what you can't be doing. It
can't be bet on sports. And if you're twenty one,
I wouldn't even go in there. As much as you
think it's a good time, you just getting up losing
your money anyway, So I don't go in I haven't
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gone in there myself. And then in terms of when
we have guys that have we have a massage therapists
that we have guys go once twice a week, and
the statement has been made to them several times over nothing,
nothing inappropriate, nothing inappropriate, and we make sure our guys
are clothed just you know, it's not even worth getting
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anywhere near that. So I do know that these things
do exist. I also know that we are in a
country where you're supposed to be in US until proven guilty.
And here are two salacious stories with some things that
really make you go damn. I think this might have happened,
but we can't allow ourselves mental, lead emotionally to go there.
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I think it's weird. Because we go ahead.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Why why can't you have an opinion about it?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I can have an opinion about it, but I don't
know what's real and what's not. As much as I
think it's bizarre to think anyone would ever make up
a story about being sexually assaulted. What's why am I thinking?
What's the baseball player's name? Who?
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Now?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
He does barstool stuff that we had on the pitcher,
He won the Cy Young Award, he was the Dodger.
What am I? What am I thinking of? Trevor Trevor Bauer, Okay,
Trevor Bower and she had pictures of bruises and and
each one of us was like, dude, Trevor Bauer. We
had a segment on radio going like, if this is true,
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he can never touch a baseball ever again. And most
of our points is like, it doesn't even have to
be totally true. Just even if she asked to be
beaten up like you, you couldn't put him back on
a baseball team, right. That was the whole Dodger's thing
was like, we don't care if it's true not true.
If you laid your hands on a woman, we can't
have you on our team.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Here's the interesting thing about that, though this was at
the time, it was one woman, and so it was
a true he said. She said to Jason's point, Deshaun
Watson had like thirty. This is six. I mean, it
doesn't rise up to thirty, but at least it's six
different massage therapists who had no idea working at different
spas or some of them working at different spas at
the time. And in Bauer's case, he's still not back
(16:28):
in the league. Yeah, and for just the one scenario
where it ended up finding and what may play into
that is maybe Trevor Bauer was also not the greatest teammate,
so now it's not worth the risk of a team
to do it. And that goes to my point of
not that Tucker wasn't a good teammate or Watson was
a good teammate, but their value of who they are
or where they are with their team was not as
(16:49):
high as it was before where a team would maybe
stick up for them or even god forbid, try to
railroad some of these allegations so they never come to light.
You know, that's I think that they're those are the
are I think it's.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
A very real discussion. You don't have you shouldn't have
to feel bad about it. Right, there's there's in multi
billion dollar corporations like the NFL. There's no question that
there's a fixer for every team that tries to keep
situations like this other situations quiet. And do you keep
it quiet if you really want this guy to go away?
(17:21):
It's a great question. I don't know the answer to it.
I don't know the answer to it. Look, I think
this discussion is a good one, Havel. I just think
that we got to make sure. I think again, Mike.
Our charge for our radio show, Okay, for the four
of us is like to be able to talk about
this stuff and then be able to point out like, hey,
we don't know, we don't know, and eventually there'll be
(17:42):
a court case or maybe they won't. Maybe somebody rights
to check it and goes away and we never know.
We never know. But the other part too, it is Yeah,
then it's the Justin Tucker who proposed to his and
now wife you know, on the on the on the
roof of you know five, our hotel in Baltimore. Everything
he's done is faith based, and he's seen as this
(18:04):
kind of angelic sort of figure, sort of like Deshaun
Watson was when he was in Houston, and now do
you think, okay, that was completely a farce. And here
he is a sexual predator, right, which is what he's
being purported as. Like those are damning allegations. I don't
know what the answer is. I really don't know. And
then with Terry Rogier, it's the you know, I think
(18:28):
we all operated under the And this is what I
think Jason was getting to. Javonte Porter is like, yeah,
his brother makes a ton of money, but he doesn't.
So if he gets down in gambling, he always got
to do his throw one game, screw up one stat line.
And we're all good high level players, guys that have
you know, nine figures in their bank account, they would
(18:49):
never have to do such a thing. And this may
show us that that's not true.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
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(19:21):
covers the NFL for the Boston Globe and Ben, obviously
we want to talk coaching hirings, coaching firings and two
teams that are going to play for the Super Bowl.
But what have you heard in regards to this Justin
Tucker story.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I'm just catching up on it, same as you and
the rest of your audience that assumed dog. I just
saw it come across Twitter. Within the last fifteen minutes
or so, Justin Tucker has come out and Vietmi Ley
denied it. Now, the NFL will obviously investigate.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
How thorough or what that all entails, but I'm sure
they're going to be trying to contact some of the
people who are listened in the article. And you know what,
I think it just speaks to the heightened awareness that
the Deshaun Watson incident has brought to situations like that
where maybe back in the day, something like that would
(20:13):
have been swept under the rug, and now people want
to be speaking out. But again, these are just allegations.
I can't tell you the first thing, whether you know
how much credibility there is to it. Obviously this is
for the you know, the courts, if that's where it
heads to or what have you. But I do think
it speaks to, you know, in today a climate today,
(20:38):
in part because of Deshaun Watson, where these things aren't
going to get brushed aside anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Ben Vollen from the Boston Globe. All right, Ben,
let's let's get to the games of last weekend. You
are a reporter, but you're also super neutral, right, You
don't have any ties to KSE and no love the KSE,
nor do you actually particularly care about the other side.
(21:04):
Right about about the Buffalo Bills. What were your thoughts
when you're watching that game in terms of in regards
to the officiating.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
Uh yeah, thank you for saying that. I do not
have any dog in the fight. I'm simply a neutral
observer who loves watching football. And don't give me the
refs costs to Bills the game. I don't want to
hear it enough with the blaming the ref The spot
was questionable. You know, we could get into you know,
I could go all day about how even lasers and
(21:31):
putting a chip in the football, which they have, that's
not going to solve the issue because you still have
to figure out where ford progress is stopped and where's
the fall, and it's it's always going to come down
to some sort of human judgment. That happened with over
twelve minutes left in the game. The Bills had everything
in front of them, down by three points three and
a half minutes ago, and they stall at midfield, you know,
(21:52):
the crucial fourth down there, they're outwitted by Steve Spagnolo
and Josh Allen is forced to heave up a prayer
of his back which miraculously found a receiver, and then
Dalton and Kate of course dropped the ball. So like again,
don't tell me that the refs cost the Bills. The
Bills cost the Bills, and Sean McDermott once again didn't
have his team ready to go. His defense gave up
(22:15):
the chief season high in points thirty two points. They
came out, got punch in the mouths, she took a
twenty one to ten lead, and once again it's just
you know, Sean McDermott's team wasn't buttoned up, didn't have
a great plan of attack, comes up short in the
biggest moments. They didn't have James Cook on the field
for some reason. So you know, it's all right there
(22:35):
for the Bills, and they couldn't take it once again.
And I think they've got to really look hard in
the mirror, and I think there's a good case to
be made that Sean McDermott is kind of like Tony Dungeon,
who did a great job in building the Bucks up
to be perennial contenders, but they needed John Gruden to
win them that Super Bowl. And I think that's where
(22:55):
the Buffalo Bills probably are right now.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
With Sean McDermott the show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's go to the other side. The Eagles take down
the Commanders, but the Eagles still seem to have a
little bit of dysfunction, right with Jalen Hurts saying they
finally took off the straight jacket, and I mean, they
played a team they were far better than. What's the
(23:19):
likelihood that the Eagles can pull off this win considering
their offense has been pretty dysfunctional most of the year.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
It has been, although it's a great sign that they
broke out in the biggest game of the season, the
NFC Championship Game, and obviously something a lot of that
had to do where some of that had to do
with the Commanders fumbles and those turnovers. But you know,
I definitely think that the Eagles have a very real
chance of pulling off this victory. Their offensive line is
(23:48):
just nasty, and if they can get rolling, and if
they can get Saquon Barkley going, the Eagles defense is
excellent as well, I think better than the Bills defense.
The Eagles are a very complete team. They've won fourteen
out of fifteen games, and it's almost like you don't
even realize that because of what you said. It always
seems like they're dealing with some sort of dysfunction, but
(24:09):
they're a very complete team. The Chiefs don't really put
anyone away. They're obviously, you know, they've been unbelievable in
one score games this year, twelve and oh. But I mean,
I think this is gonna be just like every other
Chiefs game, and just like that Chiefs Eagles Super Bowl
two years ago. It's gonna come down to the fourth quarter,
It's gonna be a tight game. There might be a
penalty or two that goes in the chiefs favor, but
(24:32):
there's gonna be a couple of plays at the end
that determines this game, and you know which side can
come out on top. So I definitely think the Eagles
have the comportment to win the Super Bowl. But it
doesn't mean I'm predicting it either. I mean the Chiefs
and Patrick Mahomes, everything they do is just incredible in
the fourth quarter, and how do you pick against those
guys at this point.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
I'm not sure. I'm not sure you do. It's Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's the league's
reaction to the Cowboys hiring Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 7 (25:05):
I think the reaction really is about Jerry Jones's performance
at that press conference where he's, you know, talking about
what a risk it is to hire this guy, basically
right to his face and almost like ignoring the fact
that Brian Schottenheimer is sitting right next to him. I
think this is pretty clear about the Cowboys. I don't
think Jerry Jones expected Mike McCarthy to walk away from
(25:27):
the table, and I wonder if Mike McCarthy regrets it
now that he hasn't come up with a job this year,
he's going to be out of football. I do wonder
if Mike McCarthy has second thoughts about it. But I
don't think Jerry Jones expected it, and I think he
was caught a little flash footed when it did happen,
and so they kind of went through, you know, a search,
but they you know, they pretty much knew what like.
(25:48):
Jerry Jones has a type. It's got to be an
offensive coach, someone who's not going to cost a ton
of money. He's going to be happy to have the job.
And I think Brian Schottenheimer is just a way of
making Dak Prescott happy. Scott liked Mike McCarthy and wanted
the Cowboys to keep him, and so with Brian Schottenheimer,
you at least have Dack's offensive coordinator, You have some
continuity on that side of the football. I just think
(26:10):
Jerry Jones didn't really want to make seism mc moves
with his football team. So Brian Schottenheimer is kind of,
you know, the candidate that keeps continuity with the team.
But you know, it's great theater, it's a great reality show.
Gotta love the drama that Jerry Jones brings to his team,
but it's got to be absolutely infuriating for the fan base.
(26:32):
And I don't think it's a coincidence that this team
has now gone thirty years without reaching a conference championship team.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It does seem to not be a coincidence. There's no
question about Pete Carroll with the Raiders. What's the reaction
around the league?
Speaker 7 (26:47):
So I think two things are true about this high
one first, it I mean, when when you're the Raiders
and you're hiring seventy three, almost seventy four year old
Pete Carroll, I mean, with all due respect it to me,
it showed how this was really the worst job out there,
and how no one wants this job right now because
you know you're gonna get fired in a year.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
And a half.
Speaker 7 (27:08):
That's just that's Mark Davis's history with pretty much every
coach that he hires. And you don't have a great
path to a quarterback. You know, they have this sixth
or the seventh pick right now, there's a bunch of
teams ahead of them in the draft that also need
a quarterback, so just kind of a wasteland of a job,
and the fact that you're having the land on Pete Carroll,
like man, I think it shows how no one really
(27:30):
wanted the job, that'said. I think Pete's actually a great
hire given all that. I think he's still a great coach.
He's going to set the culture there, and he's got
a very good track record, and you know, he's a
usc guy, and all the Raiders fans are from LA
so they're probably into Pete Carroll and I actually think,
you know, it's a pretty good hire to hopefully get
that team back on track over the next few years.
(27:52):
I don't think it's a long term plan because of
where Pete Carroll is in his career, but given how
much they probably struggled to find candidates, you know what,
Pete Carroll I think still has something left, so it
could end up being a pretty good hire for them.
But what I am surprised at is that Tom Brady
goes and hires a seventy three year old coach and
(28:13):
it's Pete Carroll and not Bill Belichick. I know Bill
Belichick has a ten million dollar buyout with Unceve, so
it's not a total apple to apples comparison, but definitely
did not see Brady picking Pete Carroll over Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
It is it is a bit, a little bit, a
little bit odd. What now with the Detroit Lions when
they lose both their coordinators.
Speaker 7 (28:36):
Well, we see how good of a coach Dan Campbell
is and this is really a test of the culture
that he's built. And you know, it's interesting. I talked
to a couple of years ago. I was at an
NFL owners meeting. I was just hanging out with someone
from the Lion and this was when Ben Johnson was
a hot candidate, maybe two years ago, and I was like,
(28:57):
are you worried about losing your offensive coordinator? This person
with the Lions was not who did not seem too
upset about the potential of losing Ben Johnson. He was like,
Dan Campbell is really the genius of the offense. People
don't understand how smart this guy is. Maybe he was
just bluster, But now we have a good chance to see,
you know, how much Dan Campbell really is in charge
(29:18):
of this offense. You know they've hired John Morton now
to run the show. You know, Ben Johnson did incredible
things with that offense, especially given you know his quarterback
was Jared Goff, who I think we all agree is
a good but not a great quarterback. So they have
very high standards now to maintain. But they've got great
personnel and they still have the head guy, Dan Campbell
(29:39):
in charge, so you know, this will certainly be a
test of the culture that he's built. But I do
think they've got the pieces to keep the momentum going
in Detroit.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Ben, great stuff. As always, really appreciate you, Jonas. It's
never not interesting in the NFL, between Justin Tucker, between
the Dallas Cowboys, the officiating, and of course we do
have a game still to be played week from Sunday.
We love having you on, love the way you cover it.
Thanks being our guest.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
All right, thanks a lot such.
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Speaker 2 (30:20):
What about your Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio coming
to you from the direct dot com studios. It's a Thursday.
Oh huh, I know what time that is and what
day that is, and what that means. It means it's
game time.
Speaker 8 (30:39):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Hey there, Dan Byer. What's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
The game today is.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
I feel a draft? All right?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
This on the heels of Cooper Cup, Cooper Flag, eggs magnificent.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I did the exact opposite yesterday, didn't Yeah, yesterday we
were talking about Cooper Copper maybe two days ago, and
I called Cooper Flag and.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It happens now.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, it's yeah, Coop Coopers such a great name. Used
to be a dog's name, a big dog name, and
then I think Cooper Manning kind of ushered it back
into the phone, right.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, he was solely responsible.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
For it, totally.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
He and Cecil Yes, and and uh, hanging with mister
Cooper Mark.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Curry and mister Cooper Mark Curry.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
It's Cecil. By the way, it was Cecil Fielder and
Cecil Cooper.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Was it that went up to at it?
Speaker 3 (31:42):
All right?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Biggest stars you've seen in the history of college basketball.
This on the month that Cooper Flag has been having
for the Duke Blue Devils. Doug, you have the number
one overall pick. We're talking stars here, not just great players,
but you know that star sort of qual Doug stars
number one. Jason, you're picking second, can I will pick third?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Sam? You have the wrap around picks at four and five.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So we're talking like in my lifetime or we talked
about recently.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I mean I think we can only do on our experiences.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
So I would say, you know, within your last last
forty years or so.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, the biggest star I can remember in college basketball?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Wow, wow, A man.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Oh boy. I feel like there's three names, three or
four names. I'm gonna go Zion Williamson. Yeah, go Zion Wimson.
He was such a YouTube sensation, a ball is life sensation.
All these overtime, all these different websites that became Twitter
(32:50):
handles that became big corporations they benefited from his His
high school tapes are ridiculous. We're gonna look back thirty years.
I go like, this is not real. This is Remember
there's the one with the little white kid that guarded
him that was like trying to act all top Yeah
what you know, And even that kid became kind of
like Foster. People followed him and followed up on it.
(33:11):
He made Duke likable. I'm gonna go Zion Wimson.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
All right, Jason number two.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Thanks Dan, I'll take it from here. I had to
double check the date on this. I saw this this
player in person, March second, nineteen ninety one. UNLV visited
Titan Jim. Larry Johnson the greatest basketball player I've ever
seen on a college court.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Kid pick.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
He was literally a man among boys. I'm not exaggerating.
Of course, they would go on to lose to Duke
that year, but Larry Johnson a couple.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Couple things here. They won. He won a national championship,
I believe in junior college Skyline High School in Dallas,
one national championship his junior year. I don't know if
you know this. They didn't win their league. They didn't
win the piece ce Double A. His junior year. They
won the PCUBA tournament, but New Mexico State won the
(34:09):
pc Double A that year, and then they won the
national championship. The next year. They're unefeeded and lost to
Duke in the national semi final. But go ahead, and
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
That's all right. I'm up at number three. Two very
good picks. I'm gonna go Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I figure it's right at five. Yeah, start of mine.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
That my college basketball viewing, and I don't think there
was anyone bigger than Patrick Ewing at the time.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
So I'm going to go Patrick Ewing at.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Number three pick. It's a great pick. If you grew
up in southern California like Jason and I did, like
you had a greater familiarity with the Big East than
you did with just about any other league, because you'd
come home Monday, and if you had cable four o'clock,
you'd have these games for all these guys that you
if you're a basketball fan, you watched them at start
at four o'clock, it'd be amazing. I watched a ton
of Patrick Ewing games.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Go ahead, all right, Sammy Sam picks four and five. MM.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
Can you guys guess my first pick? I think I'm
it's a woman. Her initials are CC, and she drew
millions of people to their television sets. Watch your Hooper,
just fast forward herald, just keep going with the CC initials.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
How many can of your list off?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
It was Kitlyn Clark who just left Iowa not that
long ago and made big splashes of WNBA, But she
really did draw millions of people who didn't care previously
to their.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
How nervous were you that she was not going to
fall the four?
Speaker 6 (35:27):
I was thinking that, like there's one maybe one of
you guys would steal her. But also I was thinking,
maybe you would just leave her for me so I
could take Caitlyn Clark at number four. Enough said, and the.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Page Becker's I'm going to leave this show.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
I'm actually going to go with Doug McDermott of of Creighton.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I'm about to leave. Well, let me just explain this.
He led buckets, he led the nation.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
Well, okay, he led the nation in scoring his senior year,
almost twenty seven boards game Round three time, I'm apl
America and he had forty five points against Providence.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
He was.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
Yeah, he was an incredibly fun player to watch. And
just talking about my era that I kind of grew
up watching college basketball. He was a sensational player. So
I'm Doug McDermott, is my my point?
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Did he play in college? What were the years? Twenty fourteen?
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Okay, yep, I remember Lisa and I were supposed to
go out one night and I'm like, huh uh, Creighton's playing.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Well, they did play the Missouri Valley and then his
senior year. They were in the Big East. So he
went from like kind of mid major level to the
two to B leagues.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
So Doug mcdermot's my pick. I'm gonna take Kenny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh I felt that Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Yeah, he was just he was something else.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
He made lethal up and three lethal up in three
just the law again, from high school to college, then
only two years at Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
But I'll take Kenny Anderson at six.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
I remember Shaquille O'Neal. I remember watching a lot of
his games at LSU Dominant. I remember them playing Loyola
Merrimount and the score was like one hundred ninety to
one hundred and ninety two. And Chris Jackson was a
Shock's teammate. Dale Brown was a coach, he was a star.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Doug, your final pick.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's a hard one. I'm gonna go with Christian Lainer.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You know, four straight final fours, back to back national
champions He was the only college player on the Dream Team.
Christian Lanner that same time time.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's Doug gottlib Show. You're on Fox Sports Radio. This
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