May 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the NFL Schedule release and how it relates to the NBA landing a game six at the Garden between the Knicks and Celtics. Doug weighs in on the details of the new book about young quarterbacks and Caleb Williams. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst and prolific podcaster John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about Caleb Williams, Aaron Rodgers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game fo "I Feel A Draft".
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uh huh, just beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin and Sherman Oaks, California.
It's kind of like Compton together, Compton Lombage together, right, Yeah, Yeah,
that's exactly. Yeah, that's the ticket. That's the ticket. Share
Oh key boy. Caleb Williams and his dad, well man,
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I don't know if there's any coming back from what
they have done other than winning a damn Super Bowl.
So we'll get to that upcoming with Seth Wickersham's new
article that's out and regarding the new age of quarterbacks
in the NFL. John Middlekoff will join us today. Daniel
Jerem Mile will join us today. We've got a bunch
to get to and you know there are there are
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a lot of shows in sports radio that are still
covering the schedule release which was yesterday. You know, the
classic schedule release show is the classic Mic and the
Mad Dog. That's a win, that's the Lewis, it's a
wind dog. That's that's we know this. We don't do
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that here. And part of it is if we're just
honest with ourselves, once you get past even in the
first week, like teams aren't really formed. In the first
couple of weeks. The games are close, but as Chase
Dowis point out, quality of play is not always high,
especially how few teams actually play their guys in the preseason.
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And then did you get pass those first couple of weeks.
There's so many injuries, you have no idea the level
of competitiveness for most games. You can say you didn't
think the Cowboys were gonna be any good, but you
didn't know that the Cowboys would lose Dak Prescott last year,
did you. The Saints start the year two and zero
and then all of a sudden, the roof falls in,
Derek Carr gets hurt, and they were just abysmal. And
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so for example, what was that a was that a
Christmas Eve game or December twenty third game Green Bay,
New Orleans. Right, it was a It was a complete
nothing burger in terms of competitiveness in that game, whereas
you know Minnesota, no one thought would be that competitive
or that good. They end up playing Detroit for the
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division title last year. And around and around and around
me go, what the world is searching for when the
schedule comes out is what we have? Was it tomorrow night?
In New York? I would challenge anybody in sports to
tell me a better There are environments that can be
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as good. Perfect example is my college basketball team. Next year.
We're going to open the season at Kansas. It's every
seat will be filled because of them, not because of us.
And it's as good an atmosphere as you will find
anywhere in sport. It's amazing, but it will have that
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in New York plus meaning behind it, pressure behind it,
and a fan base that hasn't seen the Knicks. I
didn't know the stat until yesterday. Close out a series
at home since nineteen ninety nine, over a quarter century ago,
like that is nuts? So what would the And the
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challenge is basically like, tell me a game that is
on anybody's schedule. Now that you know is going to
be a better watch than that. Like Alabama, Auburn's Iron
Bowl is always good, but Auburn's been crummy past couple years.
Sometimes even wh they're crummy, it's been really good. I
think it was that two or three years ago. Sometimes
it's not Texas and Texas. A and M play now,
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that'll be great. Nothing you get like that. The renewal
of one of the great rivalries in Army Navy is
always really really good, but the intensity and meaningfulness is
not always there. This one you got all those things.
Plus it's the Celtics, who not only have been the
defending NBA champions, but they've been more competitive more often
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over the past fifty years than the Knicks have. People
in New York think they've invented basketball, think somehow they
have the cure to the basketball cancer disease, and yet
they haven't been able to win anything. It's in the Garden,
which there are other famous arenas. There are other but
when you say world's most famous arena, I don't know.
It's hard to challenge that as a hard to challenge
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that statement. I'm not a New Yorker, I'm a son
of a New Yorker. I lived in Connecticut but not
in New York. But even I know that's all of
the schedule stuff and all the talk about it. All
you're really looking for is what you have in Madison
Square Garden Game six. And then, by the way, if
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you're the New York Knicks, the entire reason that you
went out and loaded up your roster with Villanova Wildcats
was this idea that hey, end of the day, are
they tall enough, are they fast enough, do they jump
high enough? Do they shoot well enough? It doesn't matter.
They know how to win. Well. You gotta know how
to win, and you're playing against the team that is uh,
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that is that is depleted, that is down their best score.
And by the way, if you're the Celtics, you gotta
think if you win this game, the pressure goes right
back thrust onto the Boston Celtics because you don't want
to be up three games to one. Jason tim goes
down and you still lose the series. Like I don't
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like to hyper focus on games. We're not gonna do
a game preview, or we can do a game pre
we're not gonna do predictions whatever. But what I can
tell you is that's as good an atmosphere as you're
gonna ever see anywhere in sports, and it's one where
you know, oftentimes some tickets I will pay for, like
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I'll pay for really good seats the thunder. If the
Nuggets win a night Nuggets Thunder be Sunday afternoon in
Oklahoma City, that one I would pay for. I pay for,
But it still won't be Celtics and Nicks because you
don't have the seventy years of history between the two
New York versus Boston Madison Square Garden defending NBA champions
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against the team that hasn't won a championship in what
is it now, almost fifty years, more than fifty years. Yeah,
that's if you said, like sports, like, what is sports that?
What is that? Just watch I'll explain watch Swatch. As
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a Southern California guy, Jay Stu, Can you get behind that?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No I can, And I think, uh, I think the
people living today that live through that this time would
probably argue. I think that maybe the Roman Colisseum's the
most famous arena in the entire world.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, well, there's nobody the world's most famous. Will that
be the world's most famous stadium? I don't know. And
where would it where would the rose bull stack out?
It should be America's like we do the world thing,
you know, it's like world famous. Oh they're world famous
chicken noodle soup Like I don't remember which comedian did it,
but it's like, do you really think if you're walking
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in Frances go like, hey, what's the best chicken noodle
super in the world? That goes Dave's chicken noodle soup?
Like no, but I do think there's something really cool
about New York versus Boston, about Madison Square Garden, about
the Knicks playing a depleted Celtics team, but the Celtics
team is still probably being better than the Knicks. Like
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the whole thing. It's like, what do you love about sports?
It's cliche, but it's like that that that that that's
what I That's what you shoot for, that's what you
aim for. Those are the games that you're willing to
pay money for. Those are the ones that you like
to watch and you get you get invested in that.
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Speaker 2 (09:16):
But for one night, the clouds have parted and.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
The Boston Celtics have shifted the pressure and set.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
Up a scene unlike we have ever seen Friday night
at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fact Sports Radio that from
the Celtics radio network. Buyer, you're from Wisconsin. You're a
Bucks fan, an Ohio State football fan, a huge golf fan.
So you have no affinity for Celtics or Nicks. They're
not your teams, not your circus, not your was it
(09:52):
not your circus, not your your monkeys, Right, that's the
people say. But I don't know if you it was
like for me and you, being hardcore sports guys, that's
one I would pay money to go see.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
There is something unique about Madison Square Garden. I've only
been once and it was for a regular season game.
But as we had talked about I think maybe a
few weeks ago, in comparing a Lakers crowd against a
Knicks crowd in terms of celebrity wise, this isn't meant
to be a knock on any of the Lakers faithful
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that that are are very big fans in the upper deck.
It feels that the celebrities of the Knicks are Knicks
fans or they're New York based, where the celebrities of
the Lakers are just there to be seen that they're
at the Laker game because they're a celebrity, and I
feel that there is it may go overboard. I do
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feel that that's there's some authenticity there where you do
have Tracy Morgan wearing his Knicks stuff, obviously, Spike Lee,
John McEnroe's there. There's it's just a little bit more
authentic than what we get out here on the West
Coast with Lakers games. And I've always felt that that
was pretty neat about seeing games at the Garden, specifically
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playoff games.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
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Speaker 1 (11:23):
The Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Yeah. So, uh, I
just I can't imagine running the Chicago Bears today. And look,
I'm sure they were giving a heads up. But SEG
Wickersham has a new book out right. Remember he wrote
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a book on Brady and Belichick at the end of
the Patriots Outstanding writer obviously worked for ESPN as well.
And this is an excerpt from a new book called
Biography of the Quarterback. Okay, so it says quarterback Caleb
Williams was so concerned about being picked by the Chicago
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Bears in twenty twenty four, he and his family weighed
circumventing the entire NFL draft, consulting with lawyers trying to
figure out a way around the league's Collective Party agreement
while considering signing with the UFL. Details from a forthcoming
book reveal Chicago is the place that quarterbacks go to die.
Carl Williams, Caleb's father, told Seth Wickersham, author of American
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King's biography of quarterback Caleb Williams, wandered out loud, do
I want to go there. I don't think I can
do it with Shane Waldron. Now there is some confirmation
by Shane Waldron is no longer there as their offense
Cortnerer offensive staff has gone. Ben Johnson's in. He's widely
seen as an offensive savant, and they've surrounded him with
a talented group of wide receivers and tried to fix
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the offensive line. But I can tell you unequivocally that
if you're critical of a place before, you've ever worked
out of place. When you're working at that place and
it gets out, the die is sort of cast and like, look,
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you can go around and around and say, hey, it
was about Shane Waldron, but the dad was like Chicago
where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Like hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You could have said the same thing about Detroit. You
could have said the same thing about how many of
these teams were terrible? How many years did the Kansity
Chiefs lose in the losing the playoffs at home despite
an unbelievable for like history is what it is until
it's changed, right, The Golden State Warriors were bad for
forty years and then they got Steph Curry and Klay
Thompson and they're the best team. They went seventy three
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games and then they added Kevin Durant. They won. You know,
they won four NBA titles together. You know, Cleveland hadn't
won to get Lebron. They almost win one, he goes away,
comes back. They won won again, they win one. But man,
that's gotta be that's hard that it's again. And I
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think Bears fans are hardcore football fans that probably like, yeah,
that's right, you know, we've had so many. But it's
it's when you try to circumvent the rules, when you
tried to do anything in your power to not go
to Chicago and you're you're the quarterback of the Chicago
Bears and you don't have a particularly good first year.
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WHOA that is really hard to dig yourself out of
that really hard, oh man. And it's also another case
of it's like the AAU dad now becoming the pro dad.
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Is Carl Williams of former offensive coordinator or a quarterback coach?
Or do he play in the NFL? Does he know
something about the inner workings? No, he's just a dad
who loves his kid. But they think they know everything.
And he says out loud to a guy writing a book. Ah,
Chicago is where quarterbacks go. All this stuff you heard
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about him trying to pull up Eli Manning was in
fact true. And again, the only reason that Eli Manning
survived that was One, he's a Manning, it's the chosen
family of college of NFL football. And two, you want
to super Bowls, and John Elway right didn't want to
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be Annapolis colt ends up being a Denver Bronco, gets
a couple of super Bowls, then wins to Super Bowls
late in his career. Otherwise, like he's just the guy
who talked ish on the Indianapolis Colts. But those quotes
are damning even if they're true. You never anybody ever
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say like, yeah, I can't win there ever ever, because
of two things. One, these quotes last forever, and then two,
anything happened previously has nothing to do with the current catus.
And anybody who thinks otherwise is an absolute idiot, because
I can prove it based upon everything we've shown you.
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In sports, Chicago White Sox hadn't won a title in
a World Series title in eighty eight years. They won one.
We saw the Red Sox win one first time in
eighty six years they won one. Tell me anywhere where
a quarterback goes to die or whatever. If he's a
good enough quarterback, he's good enough quarterback. And oh yeah,
by the way, you went out and got the absolute
best offensive coordinator, head coaching candidate in the league, everybody
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less than over Ben Johnson. No one will argue with that.
So if you can't do it now, it's on you,
not on Chicago. And what happens is when things go bad,
then they dog Pylon. I don't want my son playing
for the Bears, the dad said to several agents in
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twenty four The rookie cap is just unconstitutional, later adding
to the CBA is the worst piece of I've ever read.
It's the worst in sports history. I need to go
to the Vikings, he told his father. Let's do it.
His dad replied, but both Caleb and Carl knew the
trade to a division rivals was extremely unlikely. Now, look
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for what's understandable is they did nail that. The Vikings
have an outstanding head coach who's a former quarterback and
coordinator and gets it. Plus they have good skill position talent.
Plus playing indoors is easier than playing in soldier field,
where the turf is terrible, the wind is bad, the
weather is cold, all of those things. But you're being
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critical of the CBA. And again there's no historical understanding
or re respeck to it, like why why was the
CBA so that rookies have a controlled salary? Well because
Sam Bradford got fifty one million dollars before he'd ever
played a snap, And people are like, that's insane with
the hit rate of quarterbacks. So you don't like the
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what the you don't like the union and what the
union agreed to for seven more years. You don't like
the Bears, and you want to play for the Vikings,
who are one of your biggest rivals in division. It
just keeps getting better. Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox
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Sports Radio. John Menalcoff's our guest, a good friend of
the show, good friend of mine, and tremendous NFL analyst,
part of the three and now he has his own
three Now podcast on the Volume podcast Network. I read
the Caleb Williams and Carl william quotes and have my
own opinion. You've been in the league as a scout,
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you cover the league. Now everybody knows your podcast what's
your reaction when you read what Seth Wickersham quoted, Hey
and his father's saying about the Bears.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, why have an overall take when it comes to
athletes and family members? I really just don't care what
they say or think, because, in fairness to them, they're
so close to the sun, and we have a long
history now of seeing just egregious things get said now,
like the overall theme of the Bears are a place
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where quarterbacks go to die. I mean, not an untrue statement,
But then when you're making comments like the rookie scale
is unconstitutional, like I'd argue it's the best thing that's
ever happened in the NFL or the veterans, the guys
that actually play in the games and then become good
players actually get that money in the two thousands, For
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those of us that are old enough to remember, I mean,
half the first round does not get now their fifty
year option picked up, meaning they are a whiff, meaning
that team is not going to extend them. And those
guys back in the two thousands, especially if you were
drafted high, we're getting a ton of money. A guy
like Kayleb Williams would have got I don't know, one
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hundred and twenty million dollars guaranteed or something, and with
like twenty four twenty twenty four economics, we would have
been like, that's a scam. I do appreciate, you know,
Ryan Poles' comment on like we're drafting you deal with
it essentially, but it's hard to read that article, like,
think about this. We got we got one guy who
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dominated last year as a rookie, Jaden Daniels, and his
mom's involved making sure women don't ruin his life. And
then you've got this guy who thinks he's like Rosenhaus
meets Goodell. I mean, I just think it's got to
be exhausting. But listen, I've heard of stories going back
to Oklahoma, like this guy's father is heavily involved, right,
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I mean, I mean plays the world of like Rosenhaus
meets his financial manager, meets his dad, and that's just
there's just a lot going on there. Now. When it
comes to Caleb, you know, I give him a little
bit of a pass. I mean, I don't think he
played very well, But I mean, iber Flus is never
going to be a head coach in the league again.
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I mean the Waldron comments of not telling him what
to watch. So, uh, there's just a lot going on there.
I think the guy reading this smiling the most is
Adam Peters. Why because you got Jake Daniels. Yeah, I
mean these are the type articles like no.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I I that that that's kind of I'm sorry, that's
kind of My thing is just like this, this does
a lot of harm, right, Like you you have to
be so good to overcome this that you'd rather play
for the Vikings and play for the Bears.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I also think like this is the this is the
big leagues, and yeah, I don't think like how many
NFL players are sitting there reading ESPN dot Com. But
the headline is going to get aggravated. That's going to
go around the league people like, oh the league, look,
who cares what the gms and the coach. I think
the players are going to be like, Bro, come down.
You know, that's where it hurts you. You lose respect
of like Bro makes them place. And that gets back
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to his comments about the unconstitutional rookie Wade scale. It's like,
you know, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Crazy. Well, that's also no history or understanding of how
the rookie quarterback contracts and how rookie quarterback. Rookie contracts
were just weighing everybody down. They were too big considering
the misrate on them. Nobody liked him, and you had holdouts.
Now you don't have any holdouts really right.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I also think if you go back to Ryan Poles
in his situation, his job, what what everyone says in
the outside fans, the college football heype machine me whoever,
mel kiper, that is completely irrelevant. Your only job is
to get the best player. And I remember like back
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in the day, like Pete Carroll, there would be guys
like he just decommitted the USC and it turned out
Pete Carroll's like, yeah, we don't want you here even
though you're the number two overall. Group saved did this forever,
you know, on football sometimes, and I just think in
sports in general, obviously, if there's an Andrew lock at
Cooper flag, it's a no brainer. But there were some
people being like, I know, the Jadan Daniels, you know,
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and it was like the Bears, they didn't even bring
it anyone else. And then remember on the flip side,
Adam Peters, because he had the second pick, brought in
them all and he took him the top golf and
he got crushed. That's his job is to figure out,
we're taking a quarterback. We like Jaden the most, but
we better to steal them all out. The Bears didn't
do any of that. They were just it's almost like
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they bought into the hype. Obviously he had a lot
of tech physical abilities and he would have been in
the you know, in every discussion. But like they it's
not what they felt like they even canvassed the land
of the other dudes. Even if you just cut it
off at like Jaden and Drake may like we're seriously
going to evaluate the top three talents in the strap.
They're just like, we're all in on this guy. And
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they were dealing with this stuff clearly, you know, off
the field pretty early in the process.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Stug Ott Lieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's get to some other stuff. I don't make a bunch.
I don't care that much about schedule stuff. But there's
a lot of people that are like hole Jets Steelers,
huh early in the season. That means hey, that means
that the league knows that Aaron Rodgers is going to
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be a Pittsburgh Steeler. On the other hand, it's like
a three to twenty five game, so it's buried and
all of that stuff was pre selected, right like those
games were. We knew. It's just a question of when
they fit in schedule wise. Can you make any read
on Aaron Rodgers based up on the Steelers schedule?
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah, my guess would be the NFL's not really paying
that much attention. Like I think they're not, like they
moved on after last year. He plays great, He's the
least of their worries. I mean, I think the NFL
has shown the Steph Curry lebron of the league is
now the Chiefs. Right, they have entered the chat with
the Cowboys, who are just automatic. But you can't really
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depend on the Cowboys being good. So Aaron Rodgers and
the Packers, you know, for fifteen years and even last
year with the Jets, they got that treatment. I just
don't think if he played great. If he doesn't, no
one loses any sleep. I actually think the Chiefs, the Bills,
the Ravens. At the end of the day, I think
that Aaron Rodgers, in a weird way, is a little
bit of an afterthought.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, let me ask you about the Cincinnati Bengals. I look,
I don't know enough about the individual negotiations of the Bengals,
but when a guy says, wow, it's gotten personal. Now
I'm breaking it off, Like, Okay, you're not gonna sit out,
they can franchise tag you. What do you think goes
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on there with interesson?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I do think this situation is a little complicated. I mean,
if you turn on every former players like you gotta
pay them, it's like, well, what would what's just the
best GM in the league, Howie Roseman. This was not
a player they drafted. This is the player that they
signed after, you know, to a second contract coming from
another team, who then became a high level player who's
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under contract and who wants an enormous extension. Like let's
use two examples. Max Crosby, who's drafted into that organization.
The owner loves them. He's the best player in the
team by a mile. They're not paying anybody else. And
Miles Garrett, who's I mean besides like Jim Brown gonna
go down one of the most talented players in the
history of the franchise. That's the type of contract. It's
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not he's playing like I'll just give me like two
years forty million dollars like the going rate for high
end pass rushers this and he's an older player. I
just think it's a complicated situation. They also it'd be
one thing. It's like, well, the Bengals, you know, they're
kind of going cheap that they're paying their quarterback huge
money and they paid two wide receivers, like they've kind
of proven the guys they've drafted, they've done all in
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and they're just a little leery on this. And I
think it's easy. Like you said, I don't know what
the tax exchange was between him and the coach. The situation.
You know, she didn't help Mike Brown's daughter or some
of her comments didn't help the situation. There's a reason
like forever, you know, say what you want about Belichick recently,
but forever he didn't say anything because it's like whenever
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you put this, it just makes it worse. And I
think it's easy to pick on the Bengals, but I
do understand, like you just think we're gonna give you
a hundred million dollars guaranteed, and we're gonna have you
like thirty four years old like that that I do
understand the risks there.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. John middlecoff
Is is our guest.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
You know what might be a solution though, just thinking
about it, like, hey, how about we make you hole
this year? You know, we give you you know ten,
we get you in the IH twenties or whatever, and
then at the end of the year we allow you
to like hit the open market or whatever, and that
gives us flexibility. That gives you flexibility, like do something
like that. You could probably like short term play it
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because it doesn't feel like the Bengals feel comfortable giving
him a long term contract. And yeah, yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
But I don't think though, why would you let him
on the market when you don't have.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
To you can franchise and trade him. You're saying, I
guess yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I mean again, I maybe if you do a two
year deal, right, you know where you you you load up.
I mean, I just think it's interesting the it's like again,
older player, Yeah, we'll give you, we'll give you money.
We're just not going to give you a three four
years of money. That that's that that would be that
would be crazy, too crazy to do. I don't think
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you and I have spoken since the Pickens trade, since
the Pickens trade. And then he goes kind of scorched
earth on Pittsburgh as he leaves. I felt like that
was the classic trade where Pittsburgh chose culture and Dallas
chose talent. Is that a fair depiction of what happened?
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
And I also think you got a factor in, you know, Jerry,
he's trying to strike oil or gold for you know,
with one swing of the hammer and get it on
the cheap. And he did this with Trey Lance when
he failed with Kyle Shanahan. They're trading for a wide
receiver from a franchise who has literally just pushed out.
I don't know you count on you know, five plus
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guys who were big tom talents. Now, Antonio Brown was
an elite player, but some of these other guys from
Claypool to Bryant and Deontay Johnson to this guy. It's like,
if Tomlin can't deal with this guy at that position,
It's like when Billy Bean for like decade, you know,
like two decades, every couple of years he have to
trade all of his guys. He wouldn't always ask for
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the number one prospect he'd asked you for, like your
fits prospect, you should probably keep that guy because he's
like that guy's gonna be a future star. And if,
like the Cowboys or excuse me, the Steelers want to
trade a wide receiver, I would be pretty hesitating. I
just think Jerry he gets a lot of credit for
being this wheeler and dealer, like the Stacks on the
actual cash spent he spends. He buys a couple guys
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spend a lot of money, you know, the Daks and
Ceedee Lambs obviously held to play Michael Parsons. But for
the most part he's not spending as much cash a
lot of the other owners because he tries to get
these deals and put that on a first year head
coach that Let's face it, most people didn't invision being
a head coach who's also the offensive coordinator slash offensive guy.
Feels like a lot of pressure on Brian Schottenheimer and
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Dak Prescott, you know, to get George Sickens.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
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it's also this year. It's it's a really good year.
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It's a really good year. And you're like, what are
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Speaker 1 (31:42):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
On this Thursday, we like to play a game called.
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I Feel a Draft?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
All right? It is Rivalry Weekend in Major League Baseball.
Did you guys know that I think this is I
don't know if this is a first off deal by
This is kind of kind of new to me. Rivalry
Weekend is the way that they're marketing it. The NFL
is going big with rivalries this fall, with uniform changes
in the whole deal. But let's look at some of
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those undercover rivalries, maybe the rivalries that people don't know
much about, some that may go under the radar, and
some that's just maybe fun. Doug Gottlieb, we start with
you with the first pick. I will have the second pick.
Jason picks third, and then Sam will pick fourth, and
then we'll go in reverse.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Order under the under the cover rivalries, rivalries straight round
that people don't talk enough about.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Yes, yes, that maybe don't don't rise to the level
of national prominence.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
But yeah, uh, I'm a little conflicted on this, but
I'm gonna go with it anyway.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I think Auburn and Georgia is the biggest rivalry that
nationally people don't know enough about. And I can only
say that because I didn't know enough about it. But
my former radio producer Adam Klug is a Georgia love.
He's like, you know, that's the South's oldest rivalry. It
was like, I had no idea, so Auburn Georgia to me,
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And I know Auburn's down in football right now in
Georgia's way up right, so it doesn't seem like it.
But ask anybody in the South. You're like that's there's one.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, and I'll say that it's a really good pick
because we think Georgia Florida because the Cocktail Party, Iron Bowl,
Auburn and Alabama, and also non conference wise, Georgia plays
Georgia Tech every year, either.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Georgia South Carolina or George's played Clemson proximity wise, people
think like those are big arrival.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Sure, yep, yep, that's a good one. I'm going to
go on a new one because I think it's starting
to build, and it's Ohio State Oregon because of their
football programs. Remember a few years ago, Oregon went to
Columbus knocked off the Buckeyes. Then in Oregon's first year
in the Big Ten, they win the game in Eugene
and the crowd rushes the field and then the Buckeyes
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get revenge in the Rose Bowl. You have to think
that these two schools are going to be fighting near
the top of the Big Ten for a while. The
Ohio State Penn State rivalry maybe has it lived up
to what it's been. So I'm gonna say Ohio State
Oregon as a rivalry that's a bit newish and undercover.
All right, Jason, you know what you.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Just gave me some news.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
You said, is rivalry weekend in Major League Baseball? I
didn't know that. And then I'm like, well, who do
the Dodgers play? Who does major League Baseball think the
Dodgers arrivals with? And it says the Angels, And I
would make the argument obviously that's their second rival and
it's not really a rivalry, but I'm gonna go with
the third rivalry that doesn't get enough coverage that should.
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It's actually become a kind of a test of good
and evil. The Padres are show offs that don't play
the game the right way, and the Dodgers are the
clean team that plays the game the right way, and
they kicked their ass last year and won the championship.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Padres Dodgers, All right, Padre Dodgers, good robbers, could call Sam.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Let's go back to nineteen ninety five when Iowa and
Northwestern met and Northwestern was the hot team that year.
This is college football. They were going through their eight
to o run through the Big Ten, and linebacker Pat
Fitzgerald when he faced the Hawkeyes, he ended up breaking
his leg and he missed the rest of this season.
Since then, I would say that this is a great rivalry.
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You know, the year two thousand, right after Northwestern had
beat Michigan, Iowa was coming up building their program. Kirk
Farns ended up upsetting a ranked Northwestern team. Since then,
it's been a lot of Northwestern beating Iowa when Iowa
could least expect it or least handle a loss.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Pat Fitzgerald, when he was coach at Northwestern, he he
always saw of had a thing about beating Iowa. He
always had a kind of are He always had respect
for the program, but he always had a grudge kind
of against the Hawkeyes. So it's been a it's been
a pretty good rivalry Iowa. Again, it's a four it's
a four hour bus ride from Iowa City to Evanston
and vice versa. So that's a that's a good rivalry.
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And then with the fifth overall pick, I'm gonna go
with Chicago Sky Indiana Fever because of course we have
Angel Reese on this on the Sky, Kaitlin Clark on
the Fever. I look at the w NBA as sort
of the you know, uh b CC before Caitlin Clark
and then you know Ccee, the Cayl and Clark Era
and those are sort of two separate times right now. Uh,
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Chicago and Indiana, they have that rivalry that is gonna
be one of the first games that starts the WNBA
season on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
All right, Yeah, nobody knows about the Fever on the
Sky exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
That's really undercover.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
I mean we would say though it's a natural rivalry. Now, yes, yeah, yes,
I think it's.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
The only rivalry in the w NBA that we as
a I think.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
It's a great undercover rivalry.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
It's the opposite of under it is it's overcovers.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Way, Yeah, it's actually overcovered it Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Over the covers.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
But I mean we're we're paying more attention to the
w NBA than ever, so we only about thirty seconds here.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But so yeah, that was my pick. Okay, Jason, I'm
outside the box on this Tyreek Hill versus contraception.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Okay, I I had Ja Morant versus guns. Wow, everybody
real or fake?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I mean, Dallas Lakers is gonna be a great one.
Gonna be a great one.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
What about kast offense that's been settled?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
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uh huh, just beautiful Green Bay, Wisconsin and Sherman Oaks, California.
It's kind of like Compton together, Compton Lombage together, right, Yeah, Yeah,
that's exactly. Yeah, that's the ticket. That's the ticket. Share
Oh key boy. Caleb Williams and his dad, well man,
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I don't know if there's any coming back from what
they have done other than winning a damn Super Bowl.
So we'll get to that upcoming with Seth Wickersham's new
article that's out and regarding the new age of quarterbacks
in the NFL. John Middlekoff will join us today. Daniel
Jerem Mile will join us today. We've got a bunch
to get to and you know there are there are
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a lot of shows in sports radio that are still
covering the schedule release which was yesterday. You know, the
classic schedule release show is the classic Mic and the
Mad Dog. That's a win, that's the Lewis, it's a
wind dog. That's that's we know this. We don't do
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that here. And part of it is if we're just
honest with ourselves, once you get past even in the
first week, like teams aren't really formed. In the first
couple of weeks. The games are close, but as Chase
Dowis point out, quality of play is not always high,
especially how few teams actually play their guys in the preseason.
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And then did you get pass those first couple of weeks.
There's so many injuries, you have no idea the level
of competitiveness for most games. You can say you didn't
think the Cowboys were gonna be any good, but you
didn't know that the Cowboys would lose Dak Prescott last year,
did you. The Saints start the year two and zero
and then all of a sudden, the roof falls in,
Derek Carr gets hurt, and they were just abysmal. And
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so for example, what was that a was that a
Christmas Eve game or December twenty third game Green Bay,
New Orleans. Right, it was a It was a complete
nothing burger in terms of competitiveness in that game, whereas
you know Minnesota, no one thought would be that competitive
or that good. They end up playing Detroit for the
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division title last year. And around and around and around
me go, what the world is searching for when the
schedule comes out is what we have? Was it tomorrow night?
In New York? I would challenge anybody in sports to
tell me a better There are environments that can be
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as good. Perfect example is my college basketball team. Next year.
We're going to open the season at Kansas. It's every
seat will be filled because of them, not because of us.
And it's as good an atmosphere as you will find
anywhere in sport. It's amazing, but it will have that
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in New York plus meaning behind it, pressure behind it,
and a fan base that hasn't seen the Knicks. I
didn't know the stat until yesterday. Close out a series
at home since nineteen ninety nine, over a quarter century ago,
like that is nuts? So what would the And the
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challenge is basically like, tell me a game that is
on anybody's schedule. Now that you know is going to
be a better watch than that. Like Alabama, Auburn's Iron
Bowl is always good, but Auburn's been crummy past couple years.
Sometimes even wh they're crummy, it's been really good. I
think it was that two or three years ago. Sometimes
it's not Texas and Texas. A and M play now,
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that'll be great. Nothing you get like that. The renewal
of one of the great rivalries in Army Navy is
always really really good, but the intensity and meaningfulness is
not always there. This one you got all those things.
Plus it's the Celtics, who not only have been the
defending NBA champions, but they've been more competitive more often
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over the past fifty years than the Knicks have. People
in New York think they've invented basketball, think somehow they
have the cure to the basketball cancer disease, and yet
they haven't been able to win anything. It's in the Garden,
which there are other famous arenas. There are other but
when you say world's most famous arena, I don't know.
It's hard to challenge that as a hard to challenge
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that statement. I'm not a New Yorker, I'm a son
of a New Yorker. I lived in Connecticut but not
in New York. But even I know that's all of
the schedule stuff and all the talk about it. All
you're really looking for is what you have in Madison
Square Garden Game six. And then, by the way, if
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you're the New York Knicks, the entire reason that you
went out and loaded up your roster with Villanova Wildcats
was this idea that hey, end of the day, are
they tall enough, are they fast enough, do they jump
high enough? Do they shoot well enough? It doesn't matter.
They know how to win. Well. You gotta know how
to win, and you're playing against the team that is uh,
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that is that is depleted, that is down their best score.
And by the way, if you're the Celtics, you gotta
think if you win this game, the pressure goes right
back thrust onto the Boston Celtics because you don't want
to be up three games to one. Jason tim goes
down and you still lose the series. Like I don't
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like to hyper focus on games. We're not gonna do
a game preview, or we can do a game pre
we're not gonna do predictions whatever. But what I can
tell you is that's as good an atmosphere as you're
gonna ever see anywhere in sports, and it's one where
you know, oftentimes some tickets I will pay for, like
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I'll pay for really good seats the thunder. If the
Nuggets win a night Nuggets Thunder be Sunday afternoon in
Oklahoma City, that one I would pay for. I pay for,
But it still won't be Celtics and Nicks because you
don't have the seventy years of history between the two
New York versus Boston Madison Square Garden defending NBA champions
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against the team that hasn't won a championship in what
is it now, almost fifty years, more than fifty years. Yeah,
that's if you said, like sports, like, what is sports that?
What is that? Just watch I'll explain watch Swatch. As
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a Southern California guy, Jay Stu, Can you get behind that?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
No I can, And I think, uh, I think the
people living today that live through that this time would
probably argue. I think that maybe the Roman Colisseum's the
most famous arena in the entire world.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, well, there's nobody the world's most famous. Will that
be the world's most famous stadium? I don't know. And
where would it where would the rose bull stack out?
It should be America's like we do the world thing,
you know, it's like world famous. Oh they're world famous
chicken noodle soup Like I don't remember which comedian did it,
but it's like, do you really think if you're walking
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in Frances go like, hey, what's the best chicken noodle
super in the world? That goes Dave's chicken noodle soup?
Like no, but I do think there's something really cool
about New York versus Boston, about Madison Square Garden, about
the Knicks playing a depleted Celtics team, but the Celtics
team is still probably being better than the Knicks. Like
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the whole thing. It's like, what do you love about sports?
It's cliche, but it's like that that that that that's
what I That's what you shoot for, that's what you
aim for. Those are the games that you're willing to
pay money for. Those are the ones that you like
to watch and you get you get invested in that.
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So you have no affinity for Celtics or Nicks. They're
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(09:52):
not your circus, not your your monkeys, Right, that's the
people say. But I don't know if you it was
like for me and you, being hardcore sports guys, that's
one I would pay money to go see.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
There is something unique about Madison Square Garden. I've only
been once and it was for a regular season game.
But as we had talked about I think maybe a
few weeks ago, in comparing a Lakers crowd against a
Knicks crowd in terms of celebrity wise, this isn't meant
to be a knock on any of the Lakers faithful
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that that are are very big fans in the upper deck.
It feels that the celebrities of the Knicks are Knicks
fans or they're New York based, where the celebrities of
the Lakers are just there to be seen that they're
at the Laker game because they're a celebrity, and I
feel that there is it may go overboard. I do
(10:49):
feel that that's there's some authenticity there where you do
have Tracy Morgan wearing his Knicks stuff, obviously, Spike Lee,
John McEnroe's there. There's it's just a little bit more
authentic than what we get out here on the West
Coast with Lakers games. And I've always felt that that
was pretty neat about seeing games at the Garden, specifically
(11:11):
playoff games.
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The Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Yeah. So, uh, I
just I can't imagine running the Chicago Bears today. And look,
I'm sure they were giving a heads up. But SEG
Wickersham has a new book out right. Remember he wrote
(11:44):
a book on Brady and Belichick at the end of
the Patriots Outstanding writer obviously worked for ESPN as well.
And this is an excerpt from a new book called
Biography of the Quarterback. Okay, so it says quarterback Caleb
Williams was so concerned about being picked by the Chicago
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Bears in twenty twenty four, he and his family weighed
circumventing the entire NFL draft, consulting with lawyers trying to
figure out a way around the league's Collective Party agreement
while considering signing with the UFL. Details from a forthcoming
book reveal Chicago is the place that quarterbacks go to die.
Carl Williams, Caleb's father, told Seth Wickersham, author of American
(12:27):
King's biography of quarterback Caleb Williams, wandered out loud, do
I want to go there. I don't think I can
do it with Shane Waldron. Now there is some confirmation
by Shane Waldron is no longer there as their offense
Cortnerer offensive staff has gone. Ben Johnson's in. He's widely
seen as an offensive savant, and they've surrounded him with
a talented group of wide receivers and tried to fix
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the offensive line. But I can tell you unequivocally that
if you're critical of a place before, you've ever worked
out of place. When you're working at that place and
it gets out, the die is sort of cast and like, look,
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you can go around and around and say, hey, it
was about Shane Waldron, but the dad was like Chicago
where quarterbacks go to die.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Like hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You could have said the same thing about Detroit. You
could have said the same thing about how many of
these teams were terrible? How many years did the Kansity
Chiefs lose in the losing the playoffs at home despite
an unbelievable for like history is what it is until
it's changed, right, The Golden State Warriors were bad for
forty years and then they got Steph Curry and Klay
Thompson and they're the best team. They went seventy three
(13:44):
games and then they added Kevin Durant. They won. You know,
they won four NBA titles together. You know, Cleveland hadn't
won to get Lebron. They almost win one, he goes away,
comes back. They won won again, they win one. But man,
that's gotta be that's hard that it's again. And I
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think Bears fans are hardcore football fans that probably like, yeah,
that's right, you know, we've had so many. But it's
it's when you try to circumvent the rules, when you
tried to do anything in your power to not go
to Chicago and you're you're the quarterback of the Chicago
Bears and you don't have a particularly good first year.
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WHOA that is really hard to dig yourself out of
that really hard, oh man. And it's also another case
of it's like the AAU dad now becoming the pro dad.
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Is Carl Williams of former offensive coordinator or a quarterback coach?
Or do he play in the NFL? Does he know
something about the inner workings? No, he's just a dad
who loves his kid. But they think they know everything.
And he says out loud to a guy writing a book. Ah,
Chicago is where quarterbacks go. All this stuff you heard
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about him trying to pull up Eli Manning was in
fact true. And again, the only reason that Eli Manning
survived that was One, he's a Manning, it's the chosen
family of college of NFL football. And two, you want
to super Bowls, and John Elway right didn't want to
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be Annapolis colt ends up being a Denver Bronco, gets
a couple of super Bowls, then wins to Super Bowls
late in his career. Otherwise, like he's just the guy
who talked ish on the Indianapolis Colts. But those quotes
are damning even if they're true. You never anybody ever
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say like, yeah, I can't win there ever ever, because
of two things. One, these quotes last forever, and then two,
anything happened previously has nothing to do with the current catus.
And anybody who thinks otherwise is an absolute idiot, because
I can prove it based upon everything we've shown you.
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In sports, Chicago White Sox hadn't won a title in
a World Series title in eighty eight years. They won one.
We saw the Red Sox win one first time in
eighty six years they won one. Tell me anywhere where
a quarterback goes to die or whatever. If he's a
good enough quarterback, he's good enough quarterback. And oh yeah,
by the way, you went out and got the absolute
best offensive coordinator, head coaching candidate in the league, everybody
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less than over Ben Johnson. No one will argue with that.
So if you can't do it now, it's on you,
not on Chicago. And what happens is when things go bad,
then they dog Pylon. I don't want my son playing
for the Bears, the dad said to several agents in
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twenty four The rookie cap is just unconstitutional, later adding
to the CBA is the worst piece of I've ever read.
It's the worst in sports history. I need to go
to the Vikings, he told his father. Let's do it.
His dad replied, but both Caleb and Carl knew the
trade to a division rivals was extremely unlikely. Now, look
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for what's understandable is they did nail that. The Vikings
have an outstanding head coach who's a former quarterback and
coordinator and gets it. Plus they have good skill position talent.
Plus playing indoors is easier than playing in soldier field,
where the turf is terrible, the wind is bad, the
weather is cold, all of those things. But you're being
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critical of the CBA. And again there's no historical understanding
or re respeck to it, like why why was the
CBA so that rookies have a controlled salary? Well because
Sam Bradford got fifty one million dollars before he'd ever
played a snap, And people are like, that's insane with
the hit rate of quarterbacks. So you don't like the
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what the you don't like the union and what the
union agreed to for seven more years. You don't like
the Bears, and you want to play for the Vikings,
who are one of your biggest rivals in division. It
just keeps getting better. Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox
(18:41):
Sports Radio. John Menalcoff's our guest, a good friend of
the show, good friend of mine, and tremendous NFL analyst,
part of the three and now he has his own
three Now podcast on the Volume podcast Network. I read
the Caleb Williams and Carl william quotes and have my
own opinion. You've been in the league as a scout,
(19:05):
you cover the league. Now everybody knows your podcast what's
your reaction when you read what Seth Wickersham quoted, Hey
and his father's saying about the Bears.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, why have an overall take when it comes to
athletes and family members? I really just don't care what
they say or think, because, in fairness to them, they're
so close to the sun, and we have a long
history now of seeing just egregious things get said now,
like the overall theme of the Bears are a place
(19:36):
where quarterbacks go to die. I mean, not an untrue statement,
But then when you're making comments like the rookie scale
is unconstitutional, like I'd argue it's the best thing that's
ever happened in the NFL or the veterans, the guys
that actually play in the games and then become good
players actually get that money in the two thousands, For
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those of us that are old enough to remember, I mean,
half the first round does not get now their fifty
year option picked up, meaning they are a whiff, meaning
that team is not going to extend them. And those
guys back in the two thousands, especially if you were
drafted high, we're getting a ton of money. A guy
like Kayleb Williams would have got I don't know, one
(20:17):
hundred and twenty million dollars guaranteed or something, and with
like twenty four twenty twenty four economics, we would have
been like, that's a scam. I do appreciate, you know,
Ryan Poles' comment on like we're drafting you deal with
it essentially, but it's hard to read that article, like,
think about this. We got we got one guy who
(20:37):
dominated last year as a rookie, Jaden Daniels, and his
mom's involved making sure women don't ruin his life. And
then you've got this guy who thinks he's like Rosenhaus
meets Goodell. I mean, I just think it's got to
be exhausting. But listen, I've heard of stories going back
to Oklahoma, like this guy's father is heavily involved, right,
(20:58):
I mean, I mean plays the world of like Rosenhaus
meets his financial manager, meets his dad, and that's just
there's just a lot going on there. Now. When it
comes to Caleb, you know, I give him a little
bit of a pass. I mean, I don't think he
played very well, But I mean, iber Flus is never
going to be a head coach in the league again.
(21:19):
I mean the Waldron comments of not telling him what
to watch. So, uh, there's just a lot going on there.
I think the guy reading this smiling the most is
Adam Peters. Why because you got Jake Daniels. Yeah, I
mean these are the type articles like no.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I I that that that's kind of I'm sorry, that's
kind of My thing is just like this, this does
a lot of harm, right, Like you you have to
be so good to overcome this that you'd rather play
for the Vikings and play for the Bears.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I also think like this is the this is the
big leagues, and yeah, I don't think like how many
NFL players are sitting there reading ESPN dot Com. But
the headline is going to get aggravated. That's going to
go around the league people like, oh the league, look,
who cares what the gms and the coach. I think
the players are going to be like, Bro, come down.
You know, that's where it hurts you. You lose respect
of like Bro makes them place. And that gets back
(22:18):
to his comments about the unconstitutional rookie Wade scale. It's like,
you know, give me a break.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Crazy. Well, that's also no history or understanding of how
the rookie quarterback contracts and how rookie quarterback. Rookie contracts
were just weighing everybody down. They were too big considering
the misrate on them. Nobody liked him, and you had holdouts.
Now you don't have any holdouts really right.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
I also think if you go back to Ryan Poles
in his situation, his job, what what everyone says in
the outside fans, the college football heype machine me whoever,
mel kiper, that is completely irrelevant. Your only job is
to get the best player. And I remember like back
(23:09):
in the day, like Pete Carroll, there would be guys
like he just decommitted the USC and it turned out
Pete Carroll's like, yeah, we don't want you here even
though you're the number two overall. Group saved did this forever,
you know, on football sometimes, and I just think in
sports in general, obviously, if there's an Andrew lock at
Cooper flag, it's a no brainer. But there were some
people being like, I know, the Jadan Daniels, you know,
(23:30):
and it was like the Bears, they didn't even bring
it anyone else. And then remember on the flip side,
Adam Peters, because he had the second pick, brought in
them all and he took him the top golf and
he got crushed. That's his job is to figure out,
we're taking a quarterback. We like Jaden the most, but
we better to steal them all out. The Bears didn't
do any of that. They were just it's almost like
(23:51):
they bought into the hype. Obviously he had a lot
of tech physical abilities and he would have been in
the you know, in every discussion. But like they it's
not what they felt like they even canvassed the land
of the other dudes. Even if you just cut it
off at like Jaden and Drake may like we're seriously
going to evaluate the top three talents in the strap.
They're just like, we're all in on this guy. And
(24:13):
they were dealing with this stuff clearly, you know, off
the field pretty early in the process.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Stug Ott Lieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's get to some other stuff. I don't make a bunch.
I don't care that much about schedule stuff. But there's
a lot of people that are like hole Jets Steelers,
huh early in the season. That means hey, that means
that the league knows that Aaron Rodgers is going to
(24:44):
be a Pittsburgh Steeler. On the other hand, it's like
a three to twenty five game, so it's buried and
all of that stuff was pre selected, right like those
games were. We knew. It's just a question of when
they fit in schedule wise. Can you make any read
on Aaron Rodgers based up on the Steelers schedule?
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Yeah, my guess would be the NFL's not really paying
that much attention. Like I think they're not, like they
moved on after last year. He plays great, He's the
least of their worries. I mean, I think the NFL
has shown the Steph Curry lebron of the league is
now the Chiefs. Right, they have entered the chat with
the Cowboys, who are just automatic. But you can't really
(25:22):
depend on the Cowboys being good. So Aaron Rodgers and
the Packers, you know, for fifteen years and even last
year with the Jets, they got that treatment. I just
don't think if he played great. If he doesn't, no
one loses any sleep. I actually think the Chiefs, the Bills,
the Ravens. At the end of the day, I think
that Aaron Rodgers, in a weird way, is a little
bit of an afterthought.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, let me ask you about the Cincinnati Bengals. I look,
I don't know enough about the individual negotiations of the Bengals,
but when a guy says, wow, it's gotten personal. Now
I'm breaking it off, Like, Okay, you're not gonna sit out,
they can franchise tag you. What do you think goes
(26:09):
on there with interesson?
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I do think this situation is a little complicated. I mean,
if you turn on every former players like you gotta
pay them, it's like, well, what would what's just the
best GM in the league, Howie Roseman. This was not
a player they drafted. This is the player that they
signed after, you know, to a second contract coming from
another team, who then became a high level player who's
(26:31):
under contract and who wants an enormous extension. Like let's
use two examples. Max Crosby, who's drafted into that organization.
The owner loves them. He's the best player in the
team by a mile. They're not paying anybody else. And
Miles Garrett, who's I mean besides like Jim Brown gonna
go down one of the most talented players in the
history of the franchise. That's the type of contract. It's
(26:52):
not he's playing like I'll just give me like two
years forty million dollars like the going rate for high
end pass rushers this and he's an older player. I
just think it's a complicated situation. They also it'd be
one thing. It's like, well, the Bengals, you know, they're
kind of going cheap that they're paying their quarterback huge
money and they paid two wide receivers, like they've kind
of proven the guys they've drafted, they've done all in
(27:12):
and they're just a little leery on this. And I
think it's easy. Like you said, I don't know what
the tax exchange was between him and the coach. The situation.
You know, she didn't help Mike Brown's daughter or some
of her comments didn't help the situation. There's a reason
like forever, you know, say what you want about Belichick recently,
but forever he didn't say anything because it's like whenever
(27:34):
you put this, it just makes it worse. And I
think it's easy to pick on the Bengals, but I
do understand, like you just think we're gonna give you
a hundred million dollars guaranteed, and we're gonna have you
like thirty four years old like that that I do
understand the risks there.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. John middlecoff
Is is our guest.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
You know what might be a solution though, just thinking
about it, like, hey, how about we make you hole
this year? You know, we give you you know ten,
we get you in the IH twenties or whatever, and
then at the end of the year we allow you
to like hit the open market or whatever, and that
gives us flexibility. That gives you flexibility, like do something
like that. You could probably like short term play it
(28:18):
because it doesn't feel like the Bengals feel comfortable giving
him a long term contract. And yeah, yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
But I don't think though, why would you let him
on the market when you don't have.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
To you can franchise and trade him. You're saying, I
guess yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I mean again, I maybe if you do a two
year deal, right, you know where you you you load up.
I mean, I just think it's interesting the it's like again,
older player, Yeah, we'll give you, we'll give you money.
We're just not going to give you a three four
years of money. That that's that that would be that
would be crazy, too crazy to do. I don't think
(28:53):
you and I have spoken since the Pickens trade, since
the Pickens trade. And then he goes kind of scorched
earth on Pittsburgh as he leaves. I felt like that
was the classic trade where Pittsburgh chose culture and Dallas
chose talent. Is that a fair depiction of what happened?
Speaker 7 (29:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
And I also think you got a factor in, you know, Jerry,
he's trying to strike oil or gold for you know,
with one swing of the hammer and get it on
the cheap. And he did this with Trey Lance when
he failed with Kyle Shanahan. They're trading for a wide
receiver from a franchise who has literally just pushed out.
I don't know you count on you know, five plus
(29:39):
guys who were big tom talents. Now, Antonio Brown was
an elite player, but some of these other guys from
Claypool to Bryant and Deontay Johnson to this guy. It's like,
if Tomlin can't deal with this guy at that position,
It's like when Billy Bean for like decade, you know,
like two decades, every couple of years he have to
trade all of his guys. He wouldn't always ask for
(29:59):
the number one prospect he'd asked you for, like your
fits prospect, you should probably keep that guy because he's
like that guy's gonna be a future star. And if,
like the Cowboys or excuse me, the Steelers want to
trade a wide receiver, I would be pretty hesitating. I
just think Jerry he gets a lot of credit for
being this wheeler and dealer, like the Stacks on the
actual cash spent he spends. He buys a couple guys
(30:22):
spend a lot of money, you know, the Daks and
Ceedee Lambs obviously held to play Michael Parsons. But for
the most part he's not spending as much cash a
lot of the other owners because he tries to get
these deals and put that on a first year head
coach that Let's face it, most people didn't invision being
a head coach who's also the offensive coordinator slash offensive guy.
Feels like a lot of pressure on Brian Schottenheimer and
(30:42):
Dak Prescott, you know, to get George Sickens.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Right, surely does middlic cooffeere the best man. Love catching
up with you. Let's do so more often. Thanks for
being our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Anybody be sure to catch the live edition of The
Doug Gottlieb Show week days at three pm e's noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Stug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. How you doing? How
you doing? It's Thursday. That means it's a don't call
it a throwback Thursday. If you haven't heard, don't call
it a throwback Thursday. You'll love it, I think. But
it's also this year. It's it's a really good year.
(31:24):
It's a really good year. And you're like, what are
you talking about? Just stay tuned. It's upcoming fifteen minutes
here in the show. In the meantime, let's get you
to Dan Byer and get a game, Danny.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
On this Thursday, we like to play a game called.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
I Feel a Draft?
Speaker 6 (31:51):
All right? It is Rivalry Weekend in Major League Baseball.
Did you guys know that I think this is I
don't know if this is a first off deal by
This is kind of kind of new to me. Rivalry
Weekend is the way that they're marketing it. The NFL
is going big with rivalries this fall, with uniform changes
in the whole deal. But let's look at some of
(32:13):
those undercover rivalries, maybe the rivalries that people don't know
much about, some that may go under the radar, and
some that's just maybe fun. Doug Gottlieb, we start with
you with the first pick. I will have the second pick.
Jason picks third, and then Sam will pick fourth, and
then we'll go in reverse.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Order under the under the cover rivalries, rivalries straight round
that people don't talk enough about.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Yes, yes, that maybe don't don't rise to the level
of national prominence.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
But yeah, uh, I'm a little conflicted on this, but
I'm gonna go with it anyway.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
I think Auburn and Georgia is the biggest rivalry that
nationally people don't know enough about. And I can only
say that because I didn't know enough about it. But
my former radio producer Adam Klug is a Georgia love.
He's like, you know, that's the South's oldest rivalry. It
was like, I had no idea, so Auburn Georgia to me,
(33:21):
And I know Auburn's down in football right now in
Georgia's way up right, so it doesn't seem like it.
But ask anybody in the South. You're like that's there's one.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
Yeah, and I'll say that it's a really good pick
because we think Georgia Florida because the Cocktail Party, Iron Bowl,
Auburn and Alabama, and also non conference wise, Georgia plays
Georgia Tech every year, either.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Georgia South Carolina or George's played Clemson proximity wise, people
think like those are big arrival.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
Sure, yep, yep, that's a good one. I'm going to
go on a new one because I think it's starting
to build, and it's Ohio State Oregon because of their
football programs. Remember a few years ago, Oregon went to
Columbus knocked off the Buckeyes. Then in Oregon's first year
in the Big Ten, they win the game in Eugene
and the crowd rushes the field and then the Buckeyes
(34:07):
get revenge in the Rose Bowl. You have to think
that these two schools are going to be fighting near
the top of the Big Ten for a while. The
Ohio State Penn State rivalry maybe has it lived up
to what it's been. So I'm gonna say Ohio State
Oregon as a rivalry that's a bit newish and undercover.
All right, Jason, you know what you.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Just gave me some news.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
You said, is rivalry weekend in Major League Baseball? I
didn't know that. And then I'm like, well, who do
the Dodgers play? Who does major League Baseball think the
Dodgers arrivals with? And it says the Angels, And I
would make the argument obviously that's their second rival and
it's not really a rivalry, but I'm gonna go with
the third rivalry that doesn't get enough coverage that should.
(34:52):
It's actually become a kind of a test of good
and evil. The Padres are show offs that don't play
the game the right way, and the Dodgers are the
clean team that plays the game the right way, and
they kicked their ass last year and won the championship.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Padres Dodgers, All right, Padre Dodgers, good robbers, could call Sam.
Speaker 5 (35:17):
Let's go back to nineteen ninety five when Iowa and
Northwestern met and Northwestern was the hot team that year.
This is college football. They were going through their eight
to o run through the Big Ten, and linebacker Pat
Fitzgerald when he faced the Hawkeyes, he ended up breaking
his leg and he missed the rest of this season.
Since then, I would say that this is a great rivalry.
(35:37):
You know, the year two thousand, right after Northwestern had
beat Michigan, Iowa was coming up building their program. Kirk
Farns ended up upsetting a ranked Northwestern team. Since then,
it's been a lot of Northwestern beating Iowa when Iowa
could least expect it or least handle a loss.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
Pat Fitzgerald, when he was coach at Northwestern, he he
always saw of had a thing about beating Iowa. He
always had a kind of are He always had respect
for the program, but he always had a grudge kind
of against the Hawkeyes. So it's been a it's been
a pretty good rivalry Iowa. Again, it's a four it's
a four hour bus ride from Iowa City to Evanston
and vice versa. So that's a that's a good rivalry.
(36:16):
And then with the fifth overall pick, I'm gonna go
with Chicago Sky Indiana Fever because of course we have
Angel Reese on this on the Sky, Kaitlin Clark on
the Fever. I look at the w NBA as sort
of the you know, uh b CC before Caitlin Clark
and then you know Ccee, the Cayl and Clark Era
and those are sort of two separate times right now. Uh,
(36:37):
Chicago and Indiana, they have that rivalry that is gonna
be one of the first games that starts the WNBA
season on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
All right, Yeah, nobody knows about the Fever on the
Sky exactly.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
That's really undercover.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
I mean we would say though it's a natural rivalry. Now, yes, yeah, yes,
I think it's.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
The only rivalry in the w NBA that we as
a I think.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
It's a great undercover rivalry.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
It's the opposite of under it is it's overcovers.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Way, Yeah, it's actually overcovered it Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Over the covers.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
But I mean we're we're paying more attention to the
w NBA than ever, so we only about thirty seconds here.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
But so yeah, that was my pick. Okay, Jason, I'm
outside the box on this Tyreek Hill versus contraception.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Okay, I I had Ja Morant versus guns. Wow, everybody
real or fake?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
I mean, Dallas Lakers is gonna be a great one.
Gonna be a great one.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
What about kast offense that's been settled?
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Well, hey, don't call a throwback. Thursday is next to
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