May 8, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the Celtics blowing a 20-point lead in a playoff game, again. Doug and Dan Beyer dissect what went wrong. Doug and Dan discuss the complaints by both the TWolves and Warriors complaining about the lack of calls in their series. Plus, Dan takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Green Bay, Wisconsin. Sonny breezy, wonderful, Hey, welcome in, Welcome,
welcome in. That good day to you Dan, and to
Jay stew and to Iowa Sam. I'm generally a guy
who doesn't require a ton of sleep right now, I
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say that, but people are like, wait, I thought you
said you can fall asleep at a drop of a hat. True,
I could you know? I can? I can catch a
little ten minute siesta and recharge, just like kind of
your dreams of an electric car. Right ten minutes, plug
in and your your back fully charged, ready to go.
So I can nap. I can sleep short periods of
time and feel fully rested. But there are times where
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you know you just like man, it all kind of
wears on you and then You're like, you have to
know yourself and go to sleep when you're tired. So
last night, last night, I was watching the first half
at a place called the Black Sheep, which is, I
don't know, four minutes from my house, a little restaurant whatever,
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and watch the first half. Came back in the second
half to my house and the sun is setting. It's
a beautiful day. Dan can speak to it. Right when
you're in north northeast Wisconsin this time of year, when
you're on the good side of spring, everything's in bloom.
It's a little bit warmer, it's like twenty five degrees.
It's pretty outstanding. And so I'm watching the game and
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I start dozing off, sot dozing off. It's a thirteen
point gamer or twelve point game headed in the fourth quarter,
and I wake up and the thunder are up like
forty and I was like, wait, what what all happened?
So I rewind and I watch it, and what I
saw was incredible. I think again, my dad was a
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New Yorker. I'm not I do think that some of
the ways in which I speak and carry myself, And
you know, look, I lived in Connecticut for twelve years.
There will always be people that think I'm from New York.
I'm not from southern California. But the point is that
I don't have a dog in the fight. When I
was a kid growing up in southern California, Jace du
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Can attest to this, everybody, everybody was a Laker fan.
So I like the Celtics, right, I just did. It
was the start of a great contrarian lifestyle. But I'm
not like some hardcore Celtics fan now. But the Knicks
being good is great for the NBA because their fans care.
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They probably care too much, but they care. And what
we've seen in two consecutive games is nothing short of remarkable. Look,
I know NBA leads can evaporate pretty quickly, right, We've
seen that in the regular season, But there's a stat
out there where it's like ninety four percent of the
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time when you're up twenty at any point time in
the game, you're gonna win. And if you're up twenty
in the second half, that creeps to like ninety five
ninety six percent of the time. So to two consecutive
times overcome that sort of odds is remarkable. And then
the Celtics to not even get a shot up down
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one at the end of a game at home when
you're the defending NBA champs, is it feels like it's
unheard of. So I don't know for watching history or
for watching something that's just two games of flash in
the pan. The Celtics love allowed. I don't know if
the Celtics have gone from as Dan Byer told us yesterday,
playing with their food to now their food is you know,
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now they now they've woken up, and now maybe they
you know, they win the next four and they're like, hey,
they really are a dominant team. But you know, it
doesn't look like they're fully healthy at center uh with
prezingis uh, it does look like Al Horford maybe maybe
too old for for for this year in the playoffs,
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for for deep minutes deep in the playoffs. And you have, frankly,
those Villanova guys who just know how to win, right,
just know how to win. And for two consecutive games,
the Boston Celtics have come from behind too uh to
take the take a two games to none lead. See
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the New York Knicks. Two consecutive games have come from
twenty behind to take down the Boston Celtics. Here's Joe Missoula,
head coach of the Celtics, being down to oh heading
back to New York.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I mean, you're down two oh heading on the road,
so you know, you have an understanding of your environment
what you're up against. There's also obviously a lot of
things that we're doing well, but then those things that
we need to be extremely better at in those situations.
So you know, obviously you have an understanding the environment.
You down know too, So you know, we got to
get on the road and we got to find a
way to win.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Here's Stale and Brown of the Boston Celtics on the
bad stretches in the fourth quarter of the past two games.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I hate to say, but like this is you guys
are supposed to find ways to score.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
These are the moments that they're the ones that look
like they're playing with the poise and you guys aren't.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Can you explain why that's happened now two games in.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
A row at home.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I'm not sure we've done. We've gotten some great starts,
we guard it. We played physical energy today to start
the fourth quarter. I thought we got like four or
five great looks in a row that didn't go in
and maybe that affected us, but uh, you know it
was done is done. Now we got an opportunity to
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see what we made of and uh, you know, come
out and try to make something happen. Game three.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Here's the Tips and and Dan. Maybe you can, I'll
bet you remember it. I don't remember the day of
the year. Tips was coach of the Bulls. They had
Derrick Rose. Weren't they up two games? No, somebody and collapsed.
I don't remember if it was injury to Rows that happened.
I mean, that just sounds like every year with the
Boss and Celtics. But as as much as we're sitting
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here and we're gonna praise TIBs rightfully so they there
have been times which his teams have collapsed with early
leads and series.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
I don't remember offhand. Didn't they They didn't they lose
like a series to the Sixers when they were a
one seed at one point.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I don't know if that was it.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
I know they made it to an Eastern Conference finals
I think once, but I don't remember offhand of them
going up too oh and then blowing the series.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, I look. A couple of years ago when Brunson
signed with the Knicks at the time, there were a
lot of people that said too much money, and you know,
they they did everything to get him, right. Their president
is his former agent, his dad is his assistant coach. Right,
and now they've surrounded him with many former teammates. And
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one of the expressions that we use, winners win, they
just find a way. And you know, Josh Hart's not
he's not a great NBA player, but dude finds a
way to make shots and make plays at the right
moment in time. And obviously his two former Villanova teammates,
I mean, those guys just make plays. I mean even
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the last play of the game where you know they're
going one on one and you know they double the ball.
You know, Jason Tatum leaves his feet and then he
tries to make a pass and it gets deflected or
gets intercepted. Like those Nova guys just there's a reason
they won in college. They just know how to win.
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It's the hardest thing to teach. Sometimes you just got
to recruit it or sign it. But those guys know
how to win. And it's not really a knock on
the Celtics because obviously Celtics won NBA Championship last year.
You know, they've they've been through Eastern Conference finals before.
This is a well despite the fact that Brown and
Tatum are relatively young in comparison to Staff and Lebron
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and some of the older players in the NBA, some
of the older stars in the NBA, like they've they've
been through some battles. But man, the Knicks, it's like
they just they're never really uncomfortable, even when they should
be down twenty Dan and I think there's there's a
there's something about this group and I I G I
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guess here's a question to you. Do you think the
comebacks are more about the Celtics or the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I think they're about the Celtics.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
For some reason, not being able to just finish a
team off, put their foot on their neck, put them
on their throat, and just finish the game.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
As they said.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
Game one, I felt the same way, and in Game
two last night, I'm just you're saying, Okay, this isn't
going to happen again, Yeah, and then it just is.
It feels like it's a carbon copy of it happening again.
The Knicks are just more aggressive. Just seems like such
an easy word to say. Physical is a certain way. Yeah,
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I mean, but they're just mentally tough. Yeah, I mean
they want to go to the basket. They don't mind. Yeah,
it was they don't mind getting a four footer as
opposed to the twenty four footer.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'm going to tell you one little, one little thing
that people have made fun of today, and you have
that's a guy who's airballed a free throw before you
can make fun of. Mitchell Robinson shot an airball, and
it was it was an airball, right, Like there's some
that that you know it comes up just short maybe
and you're like, okay, no, Like that one was. It's
thirteen six to make a free throw, right, most people
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think it's fifteen feet. It's not fifteen feet. Is if
you want to hit the backboard with your shot, that
that's a fifteen foot shot. It's thirteen six to hit
the center of the to go in the center of
the of the rim. So that was probably eleven six, right,
Like it was.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah that and I don't know if it got to
ten feet of elevation, that one.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Had no chance at all. Okay, but most guys they
like hang their head, And for Mitchell Robinson, it was
like he was back. He's playing defense is fine and
they're comfortable being uncomfortable. And yeah, the physicality Jalen Brunson
driving and creating the contact to create separation. It just
sets the tone for your whole team. And I just
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I love it. I think it's so good for the NBA.
The kind of passiveness, almost most arrogant confidence from the
Celtics has just been knocked down by the next two
consecutive games. And look, Knicks fans are obnoxious, obnoxious, but
you need some of that in the sport, right We
need life in this sport, and it's been lifeless at times.
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Just like the same guys, Staff and Lebron. It's like
it is, there's a there's a life to it. Here's
Jalen Brunson, star point guard for the celt for the
for the next talking about being up two games none.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
How big is for you guys to go back home?
And what are you talking about Carl Town's performance. I mean,
it's very important going home.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
I realized an opportunity that we have and now we've
just got to make sure we're still locked in, no
real close to being done, making sure our mindset is
the same. And I meant just the way you start
out the game and now is it for us? And
just the way he's been throughout the entire season, and
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he's been one of the best teammates we have, and
the way he gives us energy and the way he
goes to get rebounds and what he does that's doesn't
go unnoticed and he just because is the way he's been.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know, it's interesting that they've en able. And again,
I don't know if they complete this task. I don't
know how far they can go whatever. But Carlenthon Towns
has a reputation of being soft right, of being a
guy who's soft, gets pushed around, doesn't rebound, likes to
shoot threes in the playoffs, and you know, obviously at
times he's been carried by other guys and they replace
him with with Mitchell Robinson who does all the things
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he doesn't do, block shots, rebounds, covers a lot of space.
But it would be amazing on how the kind of
guilt by Osmosis right like, he would kind of blend
into those guys and they've helped it. They'll help him
change the narrative of his career. This series, it just
fascinates me because for thirty six minutes of the forty
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eight minutes of each game, you're like, the Celtics are
way better than the Knicks, way better. And then it
gets tight, and then it's like it's like the Celtics
are the thunder from last year. That's dan what it
reminds me of. It looks like this, like what are
they doing? What are they doing? And yet they've they've
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they've played at the very highest level of the NBA
and succeeded, and yet it's you the Knicks come from
twenty down both games and they don't completely class but
it's just like there doesn't seem to be a plan there,
and it's stunning to watch.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
They almost seem uncomfortable of being that team.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah and that and that they're they're they're better suited
in in a way of having a chip on their shoulder.
But when you're expected your being that team, for some reason,
it just doesn't just doesn't work.
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Speaker 1 (14:13):
Dog Gotleib Show. Fox Sports Radio. You know I would
tell all these coaches to stop complaining about the officials,
but they do it, and it does feel like again
feels like. Doesn't mean it happens, but it feels like
they get calls next game. So here's the weird part.
Both the Wolves and the Warriors head coach have complained
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about the officiating and it being called too loosely. Don't
believe me. Here's Chris Finch, head coach of the Wolves.
Speaker 9 (14:41):
Well, on defensive Rebindy, they do a lot of fouling, holding,
shove and pushing and tackling Rudy.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
That's clear. They set a bunch of those clips into
the league.
Speaker 9 (14:51):
In fact, I'm not sure I know another player in
the league with Rudy's patigree that is allowed to be physically.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Beaten on the way he is.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
And so you know, we got to we gotta address
that one way or another.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Here's Steve Kerr talking about the exact same officials. Yeah,
I mean I was upset the first for ten minutes
of a game.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It was just like Houston all over again.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
They had their bear hugging staff and they could have
called six fowls.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But the league has established the physicality in the playoffs.
The league has established a physicality in the playoffs. So
Kurz complained about the first ten minutes, Finch just complained
about the entire game, specifically around Rudy Gobert, which means
we'll see an incredibly tight whistle here to start the game.
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And really what happens is they do it usually again,
first ten to fifteen minutes, super tight whistle. Then we
get late in the game they don't call anything. And
so I guess here's my question. I thought of this, Dan,
where you know, we played Oakland, their big guy was
just he's just a monster. He transferred to Arizona State,
and I actually thought like, hey, do we start our
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backups they'll get into foul trouble then put our starters in,
you know, and you almost think like tonight, if you're
the Warriors, like you know, they're going to come after
Draymond Green, try and get him in foul trouble. So
do you start kaminga play everybody else and then wait
till they're infoul trauble and then you put Draymond.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Green in there.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
I understand your thinking, but I guess rather, if they're
going to play thirty minutes, you'd rather have them there
at the end, then maybe fouling out midway through the
second half. In your case, it's I expect, not only
do I expect a whistle tonight that will favor the Timberwolves.
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I don't know, like how it evens out in a
certain way, Like I know they're both complaining about it.
Rudy Gobert, I don't know if he's going to get
the benefit of every call, but he's not the first
center in the world to have that happen to him.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But that's like every big kid ever growing up, by
the way, right, they always have els called on them,
then never get anything done, they get smacked.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Yeah, I just I expected to even out tonight, especially
with Steph not available for the Warriors. So maybe Rudy
ends up going off. But the Warriors bench is a
little thinner too as well. I'm not sure how many
minutes you know, Kevan Luni can play. He's toggled between
eleven here three there. But I also don't think that
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you can game plan to not foul or throw a
bunch of follows at Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, yeah, being half sarcastic, I know you were, I know. Okay,
So then the question is you got one out of
two if you're the Warriors, to you like, hey, let's
just rest all their guys and play for game three
and four.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
I actually thought that way in the Houston series, which
made me look at the Warriors differently, where if every
series goes seven games, like, there's no way that they
can win an NBA title, But there's no way that
they're in a position to sweep anybody anyone in five games.
And I think that we saw that in game five
when they lost to the Rockets, or they were losing
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bads of the Rockets, they just threw in the towel
and said, all right, let's just save everybody for game six.
Well then they lost game six, and then you're thinking yourself, Ah,
we're in a bad spot in game seven, and you
end up pulling that one out. I don't think you
could play that game. But I seriously look at Golden
State and thought about the same thing. Can you pick
and choose your wins? And I think that that's darn
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near impossible. But yeah, to throw everything at them in
game two to maybe then be shorthanded, because you know
you're not gonna have Steph Curry in games three and four,
it would be a risky move. But I also dug
in saying that, and sorry rambling on just a little bit,
but it's it shouldn't matter on the locations. If you're
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Golden State, because you're playing without Steph Curry, you just
have to figure out a way to survive. It's not
like they're going to be in an advantageous spot at home.
There's still going to be at a disadvantage because they
don't have Steph Curry. Even though the fans are on
their side, they're in a better spot that they are
in Minnesota. But by no means is that an automatic
win for them?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well?
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Sure, so, you know, so in that case, I think
you just kind of got to treat every game evenly.
And if you threw this one, there was no guarantee
that you're winning games three and four in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, I think you take it until halftime or you know,
you play your normal rotation or whatever your normal rotation is,
and you come out, you come out and you know
they're a great third quarter team, and you just see
and like, all right, let's put our foot in the
gas in the third quarter and if we're in it, okay, now,
we put the chance of embarrassment on Minnesota. Their defense
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was outstanding in Game one, and it does stand a
reason that if you don't play Steph Curry and you
place a say GP two more right, like you're obviously
a minus offensively, but you're a massive plus defensively massive,
and so you know, you take a shot and then
you like, hey, if you get to the third corner end,
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it's not gonna happen to night, all right. Then we
pack it in and play all the young guys and
put ice on everybody's knees and see what we got.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Just looking at their schedule in how the series shapes out,
because when Steph's timetable came out, the Warriors set a week,
so it was games two, three, and four from that point,
Game two tonight, Game three on Saturday, Game four on Monday.
That would rule him out for that week. But there's
a game five on Wednesday. What's interesting is there game six,
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they get an extra day of rest. So it's almost Doug.
If we are talking about picking and choosing, you're like,
let's just win one of these next four games. Yeah,
so we have even if we're down three to two,
we'd be coming back home, Steph would have an extra
day of rest. Maybe there's an opportunity if he doesn't
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play in game five, you would have an opportunity to. Okay,
we win game six and then we saw what could
happen in game seven. If you're going to try to
cherry pick your wins, that would maybe be a way
to do it. But I would also love it. If
I'm a Warriors fan, I would love for Anthony Edwards
to completely go off tonight, you know, just to have
a crazy game. Maybe not get others involved, because that
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could throw, you know, throw maybe chemistry, you know, throw
a wrench into that. I think Minnesota's really good, But
if you're gonna lose tonight, maybe I have Edwards go
off and feel that he needs to do everything.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
We also listen. We also don't know how much of
it was just game one stuff, right like traditionally in series,
and it happened in every one of these series. Traditionally
in series, game one is the one you can steal.
So even with Steph Curry, maybe the Warriors would have
gotten beat tonight. Anyway. Sure the timber will settle down,
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but I will say that there is that embarrassment factor.
If you get into the fourth quarter and they're closer
trailed in the Golden State Warriors and Steph's not playing,
there is that slight factor like, are you kidding me?
We can't beat the Warriors without Steph Curry. We'll get
to this in a second. First, let me get you
back to Dan Byer gets you an update and everything
else in sports to be what he got.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, I've thought a lot about how we view the
Warriors over these last couple of weeks, and I feel
like I'm on a teeter totter. I'm back and forth
on it. Where Hey, it's the Warriors. I'm like, well,
remember they had to play in the playing tournament. They
needed to beat the Clippers at the end of the
regular season.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
They couldn't do it. Then I'm like, wow, it's a
game seven.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's fascinating. Right, I'll tell you this. So here's what
we're trying to do, Dan. Traditionally Green Bay basketball has
stayed away from Packers weekends, right, and the reason is
twofold one. It's hard to get hotel rooms, just hard
to get hotel rooms, and visiting teams usually take up
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fifteen hotel rooms just for the team for their travel party,
and then anybody else who comes in can't get a
hotel room. But the other thing is there's an old
expression which I didn't know, which is you don't go
to an event to go to an event, and people
come town to go to a Packers game, and like, okay,
another game whatever. My philosophy is the opposite, which is
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you have to stay at a hotel. Some of these
hotels have mandatory two night stays. And look, there's good
restaurants and good live music in Green Bay, Wisconsin, but
it sounds like there's a ton of other entertainment outside
of the casino. So what if we played on a
Saturday night or maybe even in a Sunday night game,
a Sunday midday game, because we play a hop skipping
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in like walk across the street to you're in Lambeau, right, yes,
but our you know, And as we're starting to fill
out our schedule, like now we're waiting, waiting, waiting, we
gotta wait for May fourteenth. And the weird thing about
the leaks is I have three friends who are fairly
high ranking in the Packers. Mark Murphy is the president
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of the Packers, and I actually text him yesterday. Hey,
can you just I know, you know the schedule. Can
you just tell us, like, what does November look like? Right,
so we can we just need to November. And he's like,
I don't get it until Wednesday. So somebody gets I
don't know who it is. But it's really interesting on
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how they're able to embargo it for most people and
others they're not.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I know that there are things that teams can request,
you say, like we would like to be on the
road this weekend, if we could have if we could
have our home opener, maybe not week one but week two,
Like the NFL will oblige with some of those things.
Sometimes concerts, DOUG will take place like stadium tours, and
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if they're in an NFL concert, they're in an NFL
stadium in early September. You're like, okay, I know my
team's not going to open up at home at that point.
Sometimes there are things that you can figure out, but yeah,
to your point, you don't find out until the full
slate of games, until everybody knows it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, seg gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio.
How I know that they did the Celtics wearing the
home green wearing the road green and the Knicks wearing
the home whites, which again I don't like, but they
were the traditional uniforms last night. It was so much better,
so much better. Then I'm watching the Thunder and they're
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wearing their black uniforms, and now I'm totally confused again.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
In the second straight game they wore them.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, it was like they tried to release the curse
and they did. There was no curse in that one.
I told you. I woke up and like, what is
the score? What did I miss? Is not even competitive?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I I I just I don't believe in the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
No, of course not.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
And but but I don't think it's an of course
not because of the NBA title. In fact, there were
conversations in the hallways at Fox Sports Radio yesterday with
people being like, yeah, well the Nuggets just know how
to get it done.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Who who They're just no? Throw them on the early
under the bus? Was it was it Mike, I'm Mike, Mike.
Mike was a Coveno and Rich.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
It was not Covino and Rich.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
They were actually on the air when it may have
been editors, it may have been producers or associate but.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They do they have. They they do know how to
get it done. They just don't have as good a
team as these Toads. Like the bench is so different
than it was when they won a championship. Just is
the strength of that team was. You could go now
that their bench is basically Russell Westbrook and he's he's
wildly up and down and inconsistent. But but people forget
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I mean one, Jamal Murray played at an incredible level
in the bubble and that year in the playoffs, and
he hasn't been consistent before or since. And then the
bench is com you know, a shell of what it
used to be. So whereas the Thunder, I mean they
have they just have weaponry. They have a volume of
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three point shooters that come off the bench, a volume
of guys that can play. We still don't know the
answer to the hey, what happens now in a close game,
because the Thunder choked away game one right will will
will that rear its head in a close playoff game.
But I understand the they want a championship. They have Jokic, Yep,
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they should be awesome. But I would tell you that
that the reality is over the past couple of years
since winning the championship, they haven't been the same team.
Aaron Gordon was great in Game one at the end,
but he hasn't consistently been great on the offensive end.
And they just don't have a bench like they used
to because they basically re upped everybody.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Who's the starting sure, and yeah, and those are decisions
that you have to make, and that that's it's the
life of the NBA. I just think that if if
that conversation is going on in our hallways, it's going
on in other places and so like those. So there
is this this theory that the Nuggets know how to
get things done, that they can get it done hard
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of a champion. And while they do have a championship
and they do have the best player in the league
that there is, there is there's just something missing with that.
And I like Jamal Murray, who's been injured at times.
I don't know if it's maybe not a full belief
in Michael Porter Junior, who's dinged up again. Aaron Gordon,
as you say, flashes in these opportunities that you would
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never think. Sure, Christian Brown's a nice player, but you're right,
they didn't have KCP. You know, they don't have KCP anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
M CAACP was so good, so good Part two championship
teams Bubble Lakers and non Bubble Nuggets. And it's just
a huge piece there. And when they lost him and
they lost up Bruce Brown, Bruce Brown, Bruce Brown was
I think the big one that maybe they thought they
couldn't afford to keep, but should have found a way
to keep him. He was so important for what they did.
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And then and then use KCP. You're a completely different team,
completely different team. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's
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Speaker 7 (29:23):
Robinson was seventh right wing three crossover foul line with
four left block step back.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Stole it by prints, prinches, trucks it down fourth. They've
done it again. They've done it again. The New York
Knicks take both in Boston and a two on lead
heading back to the Mecca, I thought, uh, and that
call on the Knicks radio network, I thought, did you
hear after the game? Did you hear what Missoula said
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about why he didn't call a time out to call
a play, And he's like, look, we read in the
same play two times in a row, and we just
they did a better job of defending it. I thought
the point he made like they didn't take Brunson out,
they couldn't sub. And I've been in this situation before.
I look again, and if you want to, you want
to be a jerk and be like, go due one over,
But in the do I call it time out here late?
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And I actually agree with Misula's thinking because what happens
is everybody thinks when you call a timeout like the
other team just waits and figures out okay, Like, whatever
they run, let's try and not let them get the
ball and bounce and then I hope they don't make
a shot. Reality is, if you call a time out,
they get to set their defense and any play you run,
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they have been able hopefully to scout and they can
tell you what to look for, but they can also
put the specific personnel in that can help him. And
that was his thinking, like Jalen Brunson, You're going to
try to attack the problem is that they're a breakdown
in spacing, in shot selection. The whole thing was an
abject disaster. So I actually think the thinking of not
calling a time out was right. The execution of whatever
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they were running was was ad and the adjustment from
the Celtics was great.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
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Speaker 1 (31:10):
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It's a Thursday, which means don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Kend up top of the hour before we get to that, though,
let's get to a game with Dan Byer. This is
game time.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
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Speaker 1 (31:36):
Dan the I don't want to give exact date of
your arrival in Green Bay because you know the paparazzi.
And yes, absolutely, but you're an end of the month,
right end of the month you're here.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yes, yes, I have not booked the trip home yet,
but end of the month, I.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
Lab Dan, Dan Byer over here, hold on, hold on,
Danie Dridge right over here, Dan, excuse me, excuse me?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So I bring it up because dude, next week I'm
seeing eights by the by the weather eight's.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
It's going to be glorios eight.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Right now.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
So the game today is I feel a draft.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
The original topic at hand was favorite new, or changed
nicknames of either schools or professional sports teams in our lifetimes,
Like what nickname were you like cool with? But it
sure seems like there are other nicknames that people would
want back, and so Doug, I leave it up to you.
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Do we go to the ones that we like or
do we go to the old ones that we wish
we had back? This on the heels of the Utah
Mammoth being named yesterday, well too, mixed review.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
The problem with me saying like, let's go back is
it means that is it Southeast Oklahoma state, which is
the savages, right, which they're not the Savage and now
they're the Savage Storm, but they used to be the savages. Okay,
like that was seen as offensive, yes, speak if you know,
to Native Americans right where I just think savages is
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an awesome nickname. I don't have to associate it with
Native Americans to say savages is an awesome nickname. Right.
But the point is that we're not going to go
back to that redskins again. I'm not Native American. I've
seen studies where people thought of as a source of pride.
I just again, we'll go down that rabbit hole of Yeah,
we can't do that because we don't call people Indians
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anymore or savages or redskins anymore. So let's do new ones.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
I think, okay, let's do positive. Sam, You're first, Jason
is second, Doug is next. Then I will have these
swing picks. Name changes could be new teams, could be
name changes, pro college, whatever you like, all on the
board for our lifetime.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Sam, you're up with.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
The number one overall pick. I am going to go
into the obscurity of a small college ranks here, and
it's right in the vein that Doug was talking about. So,
Knox College is in Gailsburg, Illinois, and they were known
as the Seawash or Old Seawash until nineteen ninety three.
Now they're known as the Knox prairie Fire, which I
think is a fantastic nickname. I only know about Knox
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College because I bought Jonas Knox a Knox College T
shirt a few years ago. I don't know if he's
ever worn it, but it's called the Knox prairie Fire,
which I think. Prairie Fire again is a.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That's pretty good. That's actually excellent, excellent nickname.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I think it could have saved to the eighth pick though,
right I think I think it was pretty safe th
so list and this guy's a sleeper.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
I really want the Prairiefier's is a sleeper. I just
I felt really good for you, Reach for each bag Reach.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
I've really bought an album on on iTunes because I've
liked the album so much and said, Okay, even though
I have the CD, I'll just buy it again. I
have no problem with that because I liked it so much.
I feel like that's what Sam's doing. Like, I like
this name so much, I wanted to go first overall,
gotta gotta Jason, you're up at two.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I'm gonna go with the Ravens. And this is the
reason why I lived through the NFL in the nineties,
as I do, you guys, And I was so I
was so pissed off at the Panthers and Jaguars as
choices for nicknames. I thought it was lazy, cliched, pick
an animal. It so just coming off of that. The
Browns make a decision to move to the Baltimore, but
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they secured the name of the Browns for Cleveland, and
Baltimore chooses a Ravens. I don't know if there's any
other Ravens in sports. If there are, I don't know
of any. I like when you choose a new nickname,
that's cool. I love the Ravens game with thats all right, Doug,
you're up at number three.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Hey, plus the the Edgar Allen Poe Like it's like
a literal reference. It's so good. I you actually took
a really good one, really good one as hard because
I hate most of the new nicknames. That was That
was the point that I would you trade down, Doug,
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trade down? Does anybody want trade up?
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I'll take the next two picks.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So wait, we'll switch the next two picks for I'll.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Take the most of yours. Well then, yeah, well we'll
flip flop. I'll take three and six. You can have
four and five.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Good good.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
I liked the Timberwolves. I remember when Minnesota came into
the league. It's very specific. It wasn't just Wolves, it
was Timberwolves. We shortened a lot to tea Wolves. But
I liked Timberwolves. So give me that at number three.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Number four, I'm gonna take the Las Vegas Knights, Las
Vegas and I'll tell you why. It's a play on
words which anybody, if anybody can get behind it is
Jason Stewart right, because even though it's spelled with a K,
the idea is you say Las Vegas Knights, You're like, oh,
Vegas Knights, a Vegas night. I'm gonna go Las Vegas Knights.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
All right. Then you would have one more pick, Doug.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I liked that we've brought back the Charlotte Hornets. I
like that we brought back to Charlotte Hornets, not because
I love the nickname Hornets, but that with the Bobcats,
because it's Bob Johnson. He wanted to like name it
after himself, which is super creepy New Orleans with the
Pelicans a terrible nickname. I like bringing back to Charlotte Hornets.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Okay, give me Guardians. I'm not as mad about it
as that once was. Yeah, I'm fine with the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I take the Rays.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Devil Rays was blasphemous. Sam, you got a last one.
Speaker 10 (37:22):
The Louisiana Monroe Indians going to the Warhawks in two
thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Warhawks is good. Sog got lip show Fox Sports Radio.
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Green Bay, Wisconsin. Sonny breezy, wonderful, Hey, welcome in, Welcome,
welcome in. That good day to you Dan, and to
Jay stew and to Iowa Sam. I'm generally a guy
who doesn't require a ton of sleep right now, I
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say that, but people are like, wait, I thought you
said you can fall asleep at a drop of a hat. True,
I could you know? I can? I can catch a
little ten minute siesta and recharge, just like kind of
your dreams of an electric car. Right ten minutes, plug
in and your your back fully charged, ready to go.
So I can nap. I can sleep short periods of
time and feel fully rested. But there are times where
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you know you just like man, it all kind of
wears on you and then You're like, you have to
know yourself and go to sleep when you're tired. So
last night, last night, I was watching the first half
at a place called the Black Sheep, which is, I
don't know, four minutes from my house, a little restaurant whatever,
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and watch the first half. Came back in the second
half to my house and the sun is setting. It's
a beautiful day. Dan can speak to it. Right when
you're in north northeast Wisconsin this time of year, when
you're on the good side of spring, everything's in bloom.
It's a little bit warmer, it's like twenty five degrees.
It's pretty outstanding. And so I'm watching the game and
(02:06):
I start dozing off, sot dozing off. It's a thirteen
point gamer or twelve point game headed in the fourth quarter,
and I wake up and the thunder are up like
forty and I was like, wait, what what all happened?
So I rewind and I watch it, and what I
saw was incredible. I think again, my dad was a
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New Yorker. I'm not I do think that some of
the ways in which I speak and carry myself, And
you know, look, I lived in Connecticut for twelve years.
There will always be people that think I'm from New York.
I'm not from southern California. But the point is that
I don't have a dog in the fight. When I
was a kid growing up in southern California, Jace du
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Can attest to this, everybody, everybody was a Laker fan.
So I like the Celtics, right, I just did. It
was the start of a great contrarian lifestyle. But I'm
not like some hardcore Celtics fan now. But the Knicks
being good is great for the NBA because their fans care.
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They probably care too much, but they care. And what
we've seen in two consecutive games is nothing short of remarkable. Look,
I know NBA leads can evaporate pretty quickly, right, We've
seen that in the regular season, But there's a stat
out there where it's like ninety four percent of the
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time when you're up twenty at any point time in
the game, you're gonna win. And if you're up twenty
in the second half, that creeps to like ninety five
ninety six percent of the time. So to two consecutive
times overcome that sort of odds is remarkable. And then
the Celtics to not even get a shot up down
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one at the end of a game at home when
you're the defending NBA champs, is it feels like it's
unheard of. So I don't know for watching history or
for watching something that's just two games of flash in
the pan. The Celtics love allowed. I don't know if
the Celtics have gone from as Dan Byer told us yesterday,
playing with their food to now their food is you know,
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now they now they've woken up, and now maybe they
you know, they win the next four and they're like, hey,
they really are a dominant team. But you know, it
doesn't look like they're fully healthy at center uh with
prezingis uh, it does look like Al Horford maybe maybe
too old for for for this year in the playoffs,
(04:37):
for for deep minutes deep in the playoffs. And you have, frankly,
those Villanova guys who just know how to win, right,
just know how to win. And for two consecutive games,
the Boston Celtics have come from behind too uh to
take the take a two games to none lead. See
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the New York Knicks. Two consecutive games have come from
twenty behind to take down the Boston Celtics. Here's Joe Missoula,
head coach of the Celtics, being down to oh heading
back to New York.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I mean, you're down two oh heading on the road,
so you know, you have an understanding of your environment
what you're up against. There's also obviously a lot of
things that we're doing well, but then those things that
we need to be extremely better at in those situations.
So you know, obviously you have an understanding the environment.
You down know too, So you know, we got to
get on the road and we got to find a
way to win.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Here's Stale and Brown of the Boston Celtics on the
bad stretches in the fourth quarter of the past two games.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I hate to say, but like this is you guys
are supposed to find ways to score.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
These are the moments that they're the ones that look
like they're playing with the poise and you guys aren't.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Can you explain why that's happened now two games in.
Speaker 5 (05:45):
A row at home.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
I'm not sure we've done. We've gotten some great starts,
we guard it. We played physical energy today to start
the fourth quarter. I thought we got like four or
five great looks in a row that didn't go in
and maybe that affected us, but uh, you know it
was done is done. Now we got an opportunity to
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see what we made of and uh, you know, come
out and try to make something happen. Game three.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Here's the Tips and and Dan. Maybe you can, I'll
bet you remember it. I don't remember the day of
the year. Tips was coach of the Bulls. They had
Derrick Rose. Weren't they up two games? No, somebody and collapsed.
I don't remember if it was injury to Rows that happened.
I mean, that just sounds like every year with the
Boss and Celtics. But as as much as we're sitting
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here and we're gonna praise TIBs rightfully so they there
have been times which his teams have collapsed with early
leads and series.
Speaker 7 (06:45):
I don't remember offhand. Didn't they They didn't they lose
like a series to the Sixers when they were a
one seed at one point.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I don't know if that was it.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
I know they made it to an Eastern Conference finals
I think once, but I don't remember offhand of them
going up too oh and then blowing the series.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, I look. A couple of years ago when Brunson
signed with the Knicks at the time, there were a
lot of people that said too much money, and you know,
they they did everything to get him, right. Their president
is his former agent, his dad is his assistant coach. Right,
and now they've surrounded him with many former teammates. And
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one of the expressions that we use, winners win, they
just find a way. And you know, Josh Hart's not
he's not a great NBA player, but dude finds a
way to make shots and make plays at the right
moment in time. And obviously his two former Villanova teammates,
I mean, those guys just make plays. I mean even
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the last play of the game where you know they're
going one on one and you know they double the ball.
You know, Jason Tatum leaves his feet and then he
tries to make a pass and it gets deflected or
gets intercepted. Like those Nova guys just there's a reason
they won in college. They just know how to win.
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It's the hardest thing to teach. Sometimes you just got
to recruit it or sign it. But those guys know
how to win. And it's not really a knock on
the Celtics because obviously Celtics won NBA Championship last year.
You know, they've they've been through Eastern Conference finals before.
This is a well despite the fact that Brown and
Tatum are relatively young in comparison to Staff and Lebron
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and some of the older players in the NBA, some
of the older stars in the NBA, like they've they've
been through some battles. But man, the Knicks, it's like
they just they're never really uncomfortable, even when they should
be down twenty Dan and I think there's there's a
there's something about this group and I I G I
(08:52):
guess here's a question to you. Do you think the
comebacks are more about the Celtics or the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
I think they're about the Celtics.
Speaker 7 (09:00):
For some reason, not being able to just finish a
team off, put their foot on their neck, put them
on their throat, and just finish the game.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
As they said.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
Game one, I felt the same way, and in Game
two last night, I'm just you're saying, Okay, this isn't
going to happen again, Yeah, and then it just is.
It feels like it's a carbon copy of it happening again.
The Knicks are just more aggressive. Just seems like such
an easy word to say. Physical is a certain way. Yeah,
(09:34):
I mean, but they're just mentally tough. Yeah, I mean
they want to go to the basket. They don't mind. Yeah,
it was they don't mind getting a four footer as
opposed to the twenty four footer.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I'm going to tell you one little, one little thing
that people have made fun of today, and you have
that's a guy who's airballed a free throw before you
can make fun of. Mitchell Robinson shot an airball, and
it was it was an airball, right, Like there's some
that that you know it comes up just short maybe
and you're like, okay, no, Like that one was. It's
thirteen six to make a free throw, right, most people
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think it's fifteen feet. It's not fifteen feet. Is if
you want to hit the backboard with your shot, that
that's a fifteen foot shot. It's thirteen six to hit
the center of the to go in the center of
the of the rim. So that was probably eleven six, right,
Like it was.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah that and I don't know if it got to
ten feet of elevation, that one.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Had no chance at all. Okay, but most guys they
like hang their head, And for Mitchell Robinson, it was
like he was back. He's playing defense is fine and
they're comfortable being uncomfortable. And yeah, the physicality Jalen Brunson
driving and creating the contact to create separation. It just
sets the tone for your whole team. And I just
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I love it. I think it's so good for the NBA.
The kind of passiveness, almost most arrogant confidence from the
Celtics has just been knocked down by the next two
consecutive games. And look, Knicks fans are obnoxious, obnoxious, but
you need some of that in the sport, right We
need life in this sport, and it's been lifeless at times.
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Just like the same guys, Staff and Lebron. It's like
it is, there's a there's a life to it. Here's
Jalen Brunson, star point guard for the celt for the
for the next talking about being up two games none.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
How big is for you guys to go back home?
And what are you talking about Carl Town's performance. I mean,
it's very important going home.
Speaker 8 (11:44):
I realized an opportunity that we have and now we've
just got to make sure we're still locked in, no
real close to being done, making sure our mindset is
the same. And I meant just the way you start
out the game and now is it for us? And
just the way he's been throughout the entire season, and
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he's been one of the best teammates we have, and
the way he gives us energy and the way he
goes to get rebounds and what he does that's doesn't
go unnoticed and he just because is the way he's been.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
You know, it's interesting that they've en able. And again,
I don't know if they complete this task. I don't
know how far they can go whatever. But Carlenthon Towns
has a reputation of being soft right, of being a
guy who's soft, gets pushed around, doesn't rebound, likes to
shoot threes in the playoffs, and you know, obviously at
times he's been carried by other guys and they replace
him with with Mitchell Robinson who does all the things
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he doesn't do, block shots, rebounds, covers a lot of space.
But it would be amazing on how the kind of
guilt by Osmosis right like, he would kind of blend
into those guys and they've helped it. They'll help him
change the narrative of his career. This series, it just
fascinates me because for thirty six minutes of the forty
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eight minutes of each game, you're like, the Celtics are
way better than the Knicks, way better. And then it
gets tight, and then it's like it's like the Celtics
are the thunder from last year. That's dan what it
reminds me of. It looks like this, like what are
they doing? What are they doing? And yet they've they've
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they've played at the very highest level of the NBA
and succeeded, and yet it's you the Knicks come from
twenty down both games and they don't completely class but
it's just like there doesn't seem to be a plan there,
and it's stunning to watch.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
They almost seem uncomfortable of being that team.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
Yeah and that and that they're they're they're better suited
in in a way of having a chip on their shoulder.
But when you're expected your being that team, for some reason,
it just doesn't just doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
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Speaker 1 (14:13):
Dog Gotleib Show. Fox Sports Radio. You know I would
tell all these coaches to stop complaining about the officials,
but they do it, and it does feel like again
feels like. Doesn't mean it happens, but it feels like
they get calls next game. So here's the weird part.
Both the Wolves and the Warriors head coach have complained
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about the officiating and it being called too loosely. Don't
believe me. Here's Chris Finch, head coach of the Wolves.
Speaker 9 (14:41):
Well, on defensive Rebindy, they do a lot of fouling, holding,
shove and pushing and tackling Rudy.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
That's clear. They set a bunch of those clips into
the league.
Speaker 9 (14:51):
In fact, I'm not sure I know another player in
the league with Rudy's patigree that is allowed to be physically.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Beaten on the way he is.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
And so you know, we got to we gotta address
that one way or another.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Here's Steve Kerr talking about the exact same officials. Yeah,
I mean I was upset the first for ten minutes
of a game.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
It was just like Houston all over again.
Speaker 9 (15:14):
They had their bear hugging staff and they could have
called six fowls.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But the league has established the physicality in the playoffs.
The league has established a physicality in the playoffs. So
Kurz complained about the first ten minutes, Finch just complained
about the entire game, specifically around Rudy Gobert, which means
we'll see an incredibly tight whistle here to start the game.
(15:41):
And really what happens is they do it usually again,
first ten to fifteen minutes, super tight whistle. Then we
get late in the game they don't call anything. And
so I guess here's my question. I thought of this, Dan,
where you know, we played Oakland, their big guy was
just he's just a monster. He transferred to Arizona State,
and I actually thought like, hey, do we start our
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backups they'll get into foul trouble then put our starters in,
you know, and you almost think like tonight, if you're
the Warriors, like you know, they're going to come after
Draymond Green, try and get him in foul trouble. So
do you start kaminga play everybody else and then wait
till they're infoul trauble and then you put Draymond.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Green in there.
Speaker 7 (16:23):
I understand your thinking, but I guess rather, if they're
going to play thirty minutes, you'd rather have them there
at the end, then maybe fouling out midway through the
second half. In your case, it's I expect, not only
do I expect a whistle tonight that will favor the Timberwolves.
(16:44):
I don't know, like how it evens out in a
certain way, Like I know they're both complaining about it.
Rudy Gobert, I don't know if he's going to get
the benefit of every call, but he's not the first
center in the world to have that happen to him.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
But that's like every big kid ever growing up, by
the way, right, they always have els called on them,
then never get anything done, they get smacked.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
Yeah, I just I expected to even out tonight, especially
with Steph not available for the Warriors. So maybe Rudy
ends up going off. But the Warriors bench is a
little thinner too as well. I'm not sure how many
minutes you know, Kevan Luni can play. He's toggled between
eleven here three there. But I also don't think that
(17:25):
you can game plan to not foul or throw a
bunch of follows at Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, yeah, being half sarcastic, I know you were, I know. Okay,
So then the question is you got one out of
two if you're the Warriors, to you like, hey, let's
just rest all their guys and play for game three
and four.
Speaker 7 (17:45):
I actually thought that way in the Houston series, which
made me look at the Warriors differently, where if every
series goes seven games, like, there's no way that they
can win an NBA title, But there's no way that
they're in a position to sweep anybody anyone in five games.
And I think that we saw that in game five
when they lost to the Rockets, or they were losing
(18:06):
bads of the Rockets, they just threw in the towel
and said, all right, let's just save everybody for game six.
Well then they lost game six, and then you're thinking yourself, Ah,
we're in a bad spot in game seven, and you
end up pulling that one out. I don't think you
could play that game. But I seriously look at Golden
State and thought about the same thing. Can you pick
and choose your wins? And I think that that's darn
(18:27):
near impossible. But yeah, to throw everything at them in
game two to maybe then be shorthanded, because you know
you're not gonna have Steph Curry in games three and four,
it would be a risky move. But I also dug
in saying that, and sorry rambling on just a little bit,
but it's it shouldn't matter on the locations. If you're
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Golden State, because you're playing without Steph Curry, you just
have to figure out a way to survive. It's not
like they're going to be in an advantageous spot at home.
There's still going to be at a disadvantage because they
don't have Steph Curry. Even though the fans are on
their side, they're in a better spot that they are
in Minnesota. But by no means is that an automatic
win for them?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Well?
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Sure, so, you know, so in that case, I think
you just kind of got to treat every game evenly.
And if you threw this one, there was no guarantee
that you're winning games three and four in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, I think you take it until halftime or you know,
you play your normal rotation or whatever your normal rotation is,
and you come out, you come out and you know
they're a great third quarter team, and you just see
and like, all right, let's put our foot in the
gas in the third quarter and if we're in it, okay, now,
we put the chance of embarrassment on Minnesota. Their defense
(19:39):
was outstanding in Game one, and it does stand a
reason that if you don't play Steph Curry and you
place a say GP two more right, like you're obviously
a minus offensively, but you're a massive plus defensively massive,
and so you know, you take a shot and then
you like, hey, if you get to the third corner end,
(20:00):
it's not gonna happen to night, all right. Then we
pack it in and play all the young guys and
put ice on everybody's knees and see what we got.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
Just looking at their schedule in how the series shapes out,
because when Steph's timetable came out, the Warriors set a week,
so it was games two, three, and four from that point,
Game two tonight, Game three on Saturday, Game four on Monday.
That would rule him out for that week. But there's
a game five on Wednesday. What's interesting is there game six,
(20:28):
they get an extra day of rest. So it's almost Doug.
If we are talking about picking and choosing, you're like,
let's just win one of these next four games. Yeah,
so we have even if we're down three to two,
we'd be coming back home, Steph would have an extra
day of rest. Maybe there's an opportunity if he doesn't
(20:48):
play in game five, you would have an opportunity to. Okay,
we win game six and then we saw what could
happen in game seven. If you're going to try to
cherry pick your wins, that would maybe be a way
to do it. But I would also love it. If
I'm a Warriors fan, I would love for Anthony Edwards
to completely go off tonight, you know, just to have
a crazy game. Maybe not get others involved, because that
(21:10):
could throw, you know, throw maybe chemistry, you know, throw
a wrench into that. I think Minnesota's really good, But
if you're gonna lose tonight, maybe I have Edwards go
off and feel that he needs to do everything.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
We also listen. We also don't know how much of
it was just game one stuff, right like traditionally in series,
and it happened in every one of these series. Traditionally
in series, game one is the one you can steal.
So even with Steph Curry, maybe the Warriors would have
gotten beat tonight. Anyway. Sure the timber will settle down,
(21:42):
but I will say that there is that embarrassment factor.
If you get into the fourth quarter and they're closer
trailed in the Golden State Warriors and Steph's not playing,
there is that slight factor like, are you kidding me?
We can't beat the Warriors without Steph Curry. We'll get
to this in a second. First, let me get you
back to Dan Byer gets you an update and everything
else in sports to be what he got.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, I've thought a lot about how we view the
Warriors over these last couple of weeks, and I feel
like I'm on a teeter totter. I'm back and forth
on it. Where Hey, it's the Warriors. I'm like, well,
remember they had to play in the playing tournament. They
needed to beat the Clippers at the end of the
regular season.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
They couldn't do it. Then I'm like, wow, it's a
game seven.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's fascinating. Right, I'll tell you this. So here's what
we're trying to do, Dan. Traditionally Green Bay basketball has
stayed away from Packers weekends, right, and the reason is
twofold one. It's hard to get hotel rooms, just hard
to get hotel rooms, and visiting teams usually take up
(22:38):
fifteen hotel rooms just for the team for their travel party,
and then anybody else who comes in can't get a
hotel room. But the other thing is there's an old
expression which I didn't know, which is you don't go
to an event to go to an event, and people
come town to go to a Packers game, and like, okay,
another game whatever. My philosophy is the opposite, which is
(22:58):
you have to stay at a hotel. Some of these
hotels have mandatory two night stays. And look, there's good
restaurants and good live music in Green Bay, Wisconsin, but
it sounds like there's a ton of other entertainment outside
of the casino. So what if we played on a
Saturday night or maybe even in a Sunday night game,
a Sunday midday game, because we play a hop skipping
(23:21):
in like walk across the street to you're in Lambeau, right, yes,
but our you know, And as we're starting to fill
out our schedule, like now we're waiting, waiting, waiting, we
gotta wait for May fourteenth. And the weird thing about
the leaks is I have three friends who are fairly
high ranking in the Packers. Mark Murphy is the president
(23:42):
of the Packers, and I actually text him yesterday. Hey,
can you just I know, you know the schedule. Can
you just tell us, like, what does November look like? Right,
so we can we just need to November. And he's like,
I don't get it until Wednesday. So somebody gets I
don't know who it is. But it's really interesting on
(24:03):
how they're able to embargo it for most people and
others they're not.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
I know that there are things that teams can request,
you say, like we would like to be on the
road this weekend, if we could have if we could
have our home opener, maybe not week one but week two,
Like the NFL will oblige with some of those things.
Sometimes concerts, DOUG will take place like stadium tours, and
(24:26):
if they're in an NFL concert, they're in an NFL
stadium in early September. You're like, okay, I know my
team's not going to open up at home at that point.
Sometimes there are things that you can figure out, but yeah,
to your point, you don't find out until the full
slate of games, until everybody knows it.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, yeah, seg gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio.
How I know that they did the Celtics wearing the
home green wearing the road green and the Knicks wearing
the home whites, which again I don't like, but they
were the traditional uniforms last night. It was so much better,
so much better. Then I'm watching the Thunder and they're
(25:03):
wearing their black uniforms, and now I'm totally confused again.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
In the second straight game they wore them.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, it was like they tried to release the curse
and they did. There was no curse in that one.
I told you. I woke up and like, what is
the score? What did I miss? Is not even competitive?
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I I I just I don't believe in the Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
No, of course not.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
And but but I don't think it's an of course
not because of the NBA title. In fact, there were
conversations in the hallways at Fox Sports Radio yesterday with
people being like, yeah, well the Nuggets just know how
to get it done.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Who who They're just no? Throw them on the early
under the bus? Was it was it Mike, I'm Mike, Mike.
Mike was a Coveno and Rich.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
It was not Covino and Rich.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
They were actually on the air when it may have
been editors, it may have been producers or associate but.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They do they have. They they do know how to
get it done. They just don't have as good a
team as these Toads. Like the bench is so different
than it was when they won a championship. Just is
the strength of that team was. You could go now
that their bench is basically Russell Westbrook and he's he's
wildly up and down and inconsistent. But but people forget
(26:20):
I mean one, Jamal Murray played at an incredible level
in the bubble and that year in the playoffs, and
he hasn't been consistent before or since. And then the
bench is com you know, a shell of what it
used to be. So whereas the Thunder, I mean they
have they just have weaponry. They have a volume of
(26:42):
three point shooters that come off the bench, a volume
of guys that can play. We still don't know the
answer to the hey, what happens now in a close game,
because the Thunder choked away game one right will will
will that rear its head in a close playoff game.
But I understand the they want a championship. They have Jokic, Yep,
(27:05):
they should be awesome. But I would tell you that
that the reality is over the past couple of years
since winning the championship, they haven't been the same team.
Aaron Gordon was great in Game one at the end,
but he hasn't consistently been great on the offensive end.
And they just don't have a bench like they used
to because they basically re upped everybody.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Who's the starting sure, and yeah, and those are decisions
that you have to make, and that that's it's the
life of the NBA. I just think that if if
that conversation is going on in our hallways, it's going
on in other places and so like those. So there
is this this theory that the Nuggets know how to
get things done, that they can get it done hard
(27:49):
of a champion. And while they do have a championship
and they do have the best player in the league
that there is, there is there's just something missing with that.
And I like Jamal Murray, who's been injured at times.
I don't know if it's maybe not a full belief
in Michael Porter Junior, who's dinged up again. Aaron Gordon,
as you say, flashes in these opportunities that you would
(28:11):
never think. Sure, Christian Brown's a nice player, but you're right,
they didn't have KCP. You know, they don't have KCP anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
M CAACP was so good, so good Part two championship
teams Bubble Lakers and non Bubble Nuggets. And it's just
a huge piece there. And when they lost him and
they lost up Bruce Brown, Bruce Brown, Bruce Brown was
I think the big one that maybe they thought they
couldn't afford to keep, but should have found a way
to keep him. He was so important for what they did.
(28:38):
And then and then use KCP. You're a completely different team,
completely different team. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's
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Speaker 2 (29:19):
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with eight defended by.
Speaker 7 (29:23):
Robinson was seventh right wing three crossover foul line with
four left block step back.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Stole it by prints, prinches, trucks it down fourth. They've
done it again. They've done it again. The New York
Knicks take both in Boston and a two on lead
heading back to the Mecca, I thought, uh, and that
call on the Knicks radio network, I thought, did you
hear after the game? Did you hear what Missoula said
(29:50):
about why he didn't call a time out to call
a play, And he's like, look, we read in the
same play two times in a row, and we just
they did a better job of defending it. I thought
the point he made like they didn't take Brunson out,
they couldn't sub. And I've been in this situation before.
I look again, and if you want to, you want
to be a jerk and be like, go due one over,
But in the do I call it time out here late?
(30:14):
And I actually agree with Misula's thinking because what happens
is everybody thinks when you call a timeout like the
other team just waits and figures out okay, Like, whatever
they run, let's try and not let them get the
ball and bounce and then I hope they don't make
a shot. Reality is, if you call a time out,
they get to set their defense and any play you run,
(30:35):
they have been able hopefully to scout and they can
tell you what to look for, but they can also
put the specific personnel in that can help him. And
that was his thinking, like Jalen Brunson, You're going to
try to attack the problem is that they're a breakdown
in spacing, in shot selection. The whole thing was an
abject disaster. So I actually think the thinking of not
calling a time out was right. The execution of whatever
(30:58):
they were running was was ad and the adjustment from
the Celtics was great.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
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Speaker 1 (31:10):
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It's a Thursday, which means don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Kend up top of the hour before we get to that, though,
let's get to a game with Dan Byer. This is
game time.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Dan the I don't want to give exact date of
your arrival in Green Bay because you know the paparazzi.
And yes, absolutely, but you're an end of the month,
right end of the month you're here.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Yes, yes, I have not booked the trip home yet,
but end of the month, I.
Speaker 10 (31:55):
Lab Dan, Dan Byer over here, hold on, hold on,
Danie Dridge right over here, Dan, excuse me, excuse me?
Speaker 1 (32:04):
So I bring it up because dude, next week I'm
seeing eights by the by the weather eight's.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
It's going to be glorios eight.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Right now.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
So the game today is I feel a draft.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
The original topic at hand was favorite new, or changed
nicknames of either schools or professional sports teams in our lifetimes,
Like what nickname were you like cool with? But it
sure seems like there are other nicknames that people would
want back, and so Doug, I leave it up to you.
(32:42):
Do we go to the ones that we like or
do we go to the old ones that we wish
we had back? This on the heels of the Utah
Mammoth being named yesterday, well too, mixed review.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
The problem with me saying like, let's go back is
it means that is it Southeast Oklahoma state, which is
the savages, right, which they're not the Savage and now
they're the Savage Storm, but they used to be the savages. Okay,
like that was seen as offensive, yes, speak if you know,
to Native Americans right where I just think savages is
(33:12):
an awesome nickname. I don't have to associate it with
Native Americans to say savages is an awesome nickname. Right.
But the point is that we're not going to go
back to that redskins again. I'm not Native American. I've
seen studies where people thought of as a source of pride.
I just again, we'll go down that rabbit hole of Yeah,
we can't do that because we don't call people Indians
(33:33):
anymore or savages or redskins anymore. So let's do new ones.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
I think, okay, let's do positive. Sam, You're first, Jason
is second, Doug is next. Then I will have these
swing picks. Name changes could be new teams, could be
name changes, pro college, whatever you like, all on the
board for our lifetime.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Sam, you're up with.
Speaker 10 (33:51):
The number one overall pick. I am going to go
into the obscurity of a small college ranks here, and
it's right in the vein that Doug was talking about. So,
Knox College is in Gailsburg, Illinois, and they were known
as the Seawash or Old Seawash until nineteen ninety three.
Now they're known as the Knox prairie Fire, which I
think is a fantastic nickname. I only know about Knox
(34:13):
College because I bought Jonas Knox a Knox College T
shirt a few years ago. I don't know if he's
ever worn it, but it's called the Knox prairie Fire,
which I think. Prairie Fire again is a.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
That's pretty good. That's actually excellent, excellent nickname.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
I think it could have saved to the eighth pick though,
right I think I think it was pretty safe th
so list and this guy's a sleeper.
Speaker 10 (34:32):
I really want the Prairiefier's is a sleeper. I just
I felt really good for you, Reach for each bag Reach.
Speaker 7 (34:37):
I've really bought an album on on iTunes because I've
liked the album so much and said, Okay, even though
I have the CD, I'll just buy it again. I
have no problem with that because I liked it so much.
I feel like that's what Sam's doing. Like, I like
this name so much, I wanted to go first overall,
gotta gotta Jason, you're up at two.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I'm gonna go with the Ravens. And this is the
reason why I lived through the NFL in the nineties,
as I do, you guys, And I was so I
was so pissed off at the Panthers and Jaguars as
choices for nicknames. I thought it was lazy, cliched, pick
an animal. It so just coming off of that. The
Browns make a decision to move to the Baltimore, but
(35:16):
they secured the name of the Browns for Cleveland, and
Baltimore chooses a Ravens. I don't know if there's any
other Ravens in sports. If there are, I don't know
of any. I like when you choose a new nickname,
that's cool. I love the Ravens game with thats all right, Doug,
you're up at number three.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Hey, plus the the Edgar Allen Poe Like it's like
a literal reference. It's so good. I you actually took
a really good one, really good one as hard because
I hate most of the new nicknames. That was That
was the point that I would you trade down, Doug,
(35:55):
trade down? Does anybody want trade up?
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I'll take the next two picks.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So wait, we'll switch the next two picks for I'll.
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Take the most of yours. Well then, yeah, well we'll
flip flop. I'll take three and six. You can have
four and five.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Good good.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
I liked the Timberwolves. I remember when Minnesota came into
the league. It's very specific. It wasn't just Wolves, it
was Timberwolves. We shortened a lot to tea Wolves. But
I liked Timberwolves. So give me that at number three.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Number four, I'm gonna take the Las Vegas Knights, Las
Vegas and I'll tell you why. It's a play on
words which anybody, if anybody can get behind it is
Jason Stewart right, because even though it's spelled with a K,
the idea is you say Las Vegas Knights, You're like, oh,
Vegas Knights, a Vegas night. I'm gonna go Las Vegas Knights.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
All right. Then you would have one more pick, Doug.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I liked that we've brought back the Charlotte Hornets. I
like that we brought back to Charlotte Hornets, not because
I love the nickname Hornets, but that with the Bobcats,
because it's Bob Johnson. He wanted to like name it
after himself, which is super creepy New Orleans with the
Pelicans a terrible nickname. I like bringing back to Charlotte Hornets.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Okay, give me Guardians. I'm not as mad about it
as that once was. Yeah, I'm fine with the Guardians.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I take the Rays.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
Devil Rays was blasphemous. Sam, you got a last one.
Speaker 10 (37:22):
The Louisiana Monroe Indians going to the Warhawks in two
thousand and six.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Warhawks is good. Sog got lip show Fox Sports Radio.
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