July 23, 2025 • 41 mins
Doug Gottlieb discusses Maryland HC Mike Locksley having an underwhelming season based on NIL compensation. Plus, Doug talks with Ben Volin, NFL, for Better or Worse, and more!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Appo What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Mmmmmm uh interesting location today we'll discuss I'm actually a river.
I'm beside a river or a canal in Bricktown in
Oklahoma City, home of your NBA champions It just it.
(00:33):
Let's just be honest. It feels weird. It feels weird
to say, hey, the NBA Championship. NBA team is in
Oklahoma City, but I want to talk a lot of
college football.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
To start the show, my good friend Mark Rodgers, who's
was my co host in Oklahoma City almost twenty five
years ago. He's gonna pop on with us here in
ten minutes, and before we get to Ben Bolan as
we get ready to talk some NFL football Packers camp.
Other camps have already opened up, some camps open today.
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I do want to talk some college football. And look,
I'm a college basketball coach, so I'm not gonna say
I know where all the bodies are buried. But now
a full year into it, I learn every day about
how things work or are working or will work in
this new window of college athletics. And I thought I
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heard a quote. I heard a quote from Mike Locksley.
Mike Loxley is the head coach at Maryland, and he
was He's from d c's from the DMV originally, and
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so as a guy who cut his chops as an
elite recruiter at Alabama, at Illinois, at Florida, and previously
at Maryland when Ralph Free was there, he has done
a tremendous job on paper of recruiting better talent at
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Maryland than anyone since they've joined the joined the Big Ten. Okay, again,
it's all relatives. Now, they have not won, and it's
very easy to go. Hey, let's look at his head
coaching record. He was two and twenty six at New Mexico.
So yeah, maybe the guy can't coach. But if you
look at Maryland the two years previous to this to
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last year, he won eight games to eight games, seven
games a year before that, they seemingly had turned the
tide last year four and eight. So I want you
to take a listen to this quote and then I'll
kind of expound upon it. Because it's very, very interesting
this new era in college athletics and how coaches across
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the landscape of college football and college basketball are talking
and we all have different ways in which we want
to tack the same problem. But here's Locksley again, head
coach of Marylynd coming off of two straight eight win seasons,
discussing what happened in his disappointing year last year.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
This for me is kind of a year of what
I like to call vulnerability. One of the greatest characteristics
you can have as a leader is the ability to
be vulnerable. And I'll tell you a year ago, coach
locks lost his locker room and for me to stand
in front of a group of media and tell you
that I lost my locker room and it wasn't because
I wasn't a good coach. It wasn't because they weren't
good players, because we were better than a four win team.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
But what we have to do is we had.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Haves and have nots for the first time in our
locker room, and the landscape of college football taught me
a valuable lesson, and that valuable lesson is important for me,
even in the midst of this change, to continue to
educate our players on the importance of what playing for
something bigger than yourself is all about. And I can
tell you that if I've got to put my desk
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in the locker room this year, I will, and I
expect our team to show up, play hard. And probably
one of the most exciting things is is if you
ask me what kind of team we have, I don't
know yet.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And that's a good thing because as a coach sometimes
we feel like we have to have that answer.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, I've got fall camp.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I've got about twenty five practices in July in August
to figure it out and feel very confident with the
changes in the elevation of our program that we'll put
a product.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
On a field that we can all be really excited about.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Listen, I understand that we all love We talked about
this yesterday Lindy's Athlon, you know, you name it, the
preview magazine that we've always picked up, like I am. Yeah,
I'm a college basketball coach, and yeah, I was a
professional basketball player after being a college basketball player, and
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I've been an analyst, and I worked at ESPN for
a decade, and I worked for CBS for a half decade,
and this is my eighth year at Fox. So I
think people think that there's some secret website we go
to and there are some pretty good ones, or there's
some secret hand booklet handout that gives us all the
(05:09):
information or that, and you know, you try and talk
to as many college coaches, basketball, football, NFL people as possible,
and you do, and I can get more information than
you can get because of the jobs that I've had
over the past twenty plus years. But the reality is,
I'm a sports fan just like you are. I picked
up all these magazines anytime I've been flying, and this
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year they're completely worthless, completely worthless, because everybody's got a
whole new team year after year. The old days of ah,
I saw this kid played a little bit as a freshman,
played a little bit more as a sophomore. As a junior,
he started to come on. Now he's a senior, and
I think he's going to have a huge senior year
Like that just doesn't usually happen anymore. It just doesn't.
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I'm not saying unequivocally it doesn't happen anywhere, but it
is a rarity as opposed to That's how it used
to happen at most places. And then you throw in
the money factor, which you could sit there and go like, well, hey,
they need to learn to deal with it. Coaches need
to learn to figure it out. But I mean at
your own place of work, if you think that you're
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better than a guy is making more money than you are,
are you going to be happy about it? Right? Are you?
And most people would tell you like, I want the
company to be successful. I want, But in reality, any
group project you put in on, if you're making the
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most money, you've got to do the most work. But
that doesn't always happen. I just we have thrown an
additional adult problem into a kid's game. And then you
throw in the idea that you can go and chase
something year after year like that's going to fix your problem.
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Only makes it worse. I just fascinated by it. Mike
Loxley like, I never would say that. Also, I don't
think it was true even in my first year. But
it's the thing that you worry about the most. Is
am I going to lose the locker room and saying
you lost the locker room and saying it's because of
you know, guys worrying about what somebody else is getting paid,
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or worried about where that what they can get paid elsewhere,
or I'm sure he's had guys shut it down like
that's the ultimate nightmare in college athletics and losing a
locker room has always been a part of a sport,
right You can. You can drop all the pretty plays,
you give, all the impassion speeches, but if they're not listening,
if they don't try and do what you want them
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to do, all the preparation you have that doesn't actually matter.
And you know, I was hopped on a local show
here in Oklahoma City and I said, Hey, if we
you do a show in any college market in the country,
everyone's gonna say, man, we had a good year in
the portal. We got this guy, we got that guy. Now,
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the difference in that and recruiting back ten years ago
is there was the assumption that if you get a
guy in recruiting, he's a freshman. Maybe he plays a
little bit. Maybe one freshman breaks through and plays a lot,
but for the most part, your expectations, especially in football,
are not great for freshmen in the portal. If you
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get a guy and he's highly touted and he's in
the portal and you pay a bunch of money. He's
supposed to perform, and if he doesn't perform, it's gonna
be the coach's fault. It's gonna be that player's fault.
It's gonna be very different, and there's not the grace
given as I think Mike Loxley smartly put like, I
don't know what we got. It's like I got twenty
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five practices. You really get fifteen padded practices before they
play a college football game. It's crazy. It's crazy, and
team sports don't operate in a quick bake oven, but
apparently they have to. And I I heard that sound
and I thought, yeah, it was pretty brave of Mike Loxley.
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It does explain a lot for what happened to the Terps,
where generally he's a beloved guy that the players, you
feel like, the players fight like hell for why did
that not happen last year? And it's a snapshot of
the challenges of this college landscape moving forward. Okay, coming
up next to the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. My good friend Mark Rodgers's been my partner
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(10:02):
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camps as they open, figure out what the Bengers are
gonna do about Trey Hendrickson, if if Tyreek Hill can
make nice with to a tongue of lots of stuff
to get to. But first I want to welcome in
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dear friend of mine and also a guy who's my
original radio co host in Oklahma City, hosts his own
show in Oklahma City. He is the one and only
Mark Rogers, and Mark I brought you on because last year,
before the season began, I said, I thought Oklahoma was
one of the most fascinating college twell programs in the country,
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and people weren't really talking about because we talk about,
you know, the top four or five teams. Right, but oh,
you has been historically unbelievably successful, not just in the
Stoops era but also you kind of yeah and beyond.
But also you go back to when you know the
King fifties coach. Yeah, right, even go back to the fifties, right,
same thing. So my question is what's the state of
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the state now for Oklahoma FOA.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think they made some changes.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
They brought in Jim Naggy, who was the director of
the Senior Bowl and has all kinds of scouting contacts
that really helped them get Jade not who's one of
the two players that they have that are projected to
be on the All SEC first or second team. So
they've turned it around a little bit in dealing with
the new era of college football.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
They're pretty talented. John Mattier is going to be a deal.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I mean he was a stud at Washington State with
Ben Arbuckle in that offense. Last year they didn't have
any direction on offense and it looked bad because they
had no wide receivers from week to week, shoddy offensive line,
and so now I think they've got a plan and
Matier is going to be really good. How does that
translate in the SEC, where basically every week is a
toss up.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, but last year it was Jackson Arnold is gonna
be the next right, yeah right? It lasted for not
that long two and a half weeks.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
Well, but you can see they had nothing around him.
They had no wide receivers from week to week. If
you go at the beginning of the season the preseason
depth chart, I mean their best wide receiver was a
walk on from South Lake carol Why at times they
had no one play it was injuries, recruiting, I think
development on the offensive line was a concern. But they
went out and they've got two freshmen, one that was
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a five star that they think will be rotational players
this year that can kind of grow along some older players.
They've got a starting left tackle that came in from
Western Carolina that they feel like will be in upgrade.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So it's one of say, and look, I'm smiling because
I'm living this life, right, And it's like, well, what
does he look like when he gets here? And there
is like Oklahoma playing the SEC is the absolute top
of college football, and so it's like, all right, he
see Western Carolina, he may be awesome, and maybe he's capable,
but in the SEC, he's going against a pro every
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time he puts his hand down in the dirt. Correct.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, what, there's other teams that are going through some
of the same type.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
They're all going the same Alabama has a really good
offensive line. Texas A and M may have the best
offensive line in the SEC coming back. Oh, you's going
to present some problems to other teams on that side
of the football as well.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Now on defense, they got some dudes.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
I mean, they've got guys that I think are going
to play on Sundays, which they haven't had. I mean,
if you go throughout the Bob Stoops tenure at Oklahoma,
there were some years that they had draft picks like
Ohio State has had in the last couple of years. Question,
they haven't had that recently. They just haven't had the talent. So,
I mean, can Matier be this type.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Of quarterback flux of funds? Is that how they did it?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:41):
No, I think some is that they took them a
while to get things figured out. They weren't Texas Tech.
They didn't want to be. They thought that was kind
of considered cheating the way that that was done. They
didn't embrace paying players right away, So it took some time,
and I think Brent Ventables is learning as he goes along.
As a head coach. He loves coordinating defenses. That's what
he loves. He's gonna do it this year, but being
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the head coach, he kind of have to take away
from that focus and be more of an administrator overall.
So the jury's still out on that. I mean, if
this year doesn't got to win, I think they want
to keep him. This is in a situation where they're, yeah,
we want to get rid of him because he's got
a pretty big buyout.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Of time, got it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But you also have a new ad coming.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, they need to he needs to win.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
I think seven or there's gonna be a lot of
pressure on him because the hype, if you have a
chance to listen a rout here, the hype is building.
And I don't I'm not necessarily buying into the hype completely,
but the hype is building for them to have a
chance to compete, to be a factor in the SEC race.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I just I don't think. I don't maybe they don't care.
I don't think they understand the difference in the conference.
I just don't. I just think we're Oklahoma. We win
ten games a year, and that's that. And I'm not
going to say never, but the likelihood of winning ten games,
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you'll have a year here or there. But it's so
so difficult.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Their schedule last year featured Missouri and Old Miss in
years in which they may have had the best teams
at those schools in a long time. I think they
take a step back this year, and they're both in Norman,
so you want to try to win those games. They
beat Auburn on the road last year in a game
that could have gone either way. They played them at home,
so there's a shot for them to win a few
more than they did a year ago when they got six.
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They also now add in Michigan, Yes, which is going
to be a heck of a game the beginning of
the season. But Michigan's bring in a freshman quarterback in
against a good defense and rent vnable scheme defense, and
so people feel pretty good about that matchup, and the
line is moving OUs way in that one too.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's it really is amazing, though, how everybody thinks they
know and you have no idea. Whereas for our entire lifetime,
our entire lifetime. You could. You couldn't say you can
pick what the schedule is. But when the schedule had
come out, you go like, ah, well they're gonna win
that one now and now and and that one. They
just got better players right now, you don't know. But
then you're in the sec when everybody thinks they got Blair.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It is OEU football.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
So even if he was three and nine last year,
everybody's gonna talk themselves into thinking it's a nine and
three or ten and two season. That's the way it
happens every year, no matter what happened the year before.
Was the way it was when they were down in
the nineties when John Blake was the head coach. Oh well,
we have talent, they're just gonna, you know, just some
bad breaks. And so they've been spoiled for a long
period of time.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Here.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
What do you think why did the Big twelve turn
down Memphis?
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Do you think it was that they didn't want to
set the precedent of taking that kind of cash.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I mean, you and.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Mark acc did that for SMU right well, SMU you
say about being Bett, you Ormark.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You guys are good friends.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
I think he's a great commissioner I mean one of
the quotes that I saw, Yeah Who Sports had that
said we vetted them once, we're we're not coming back
just because they're going to commit two hundred million dollars.
So I think that that kind of spoke volumes. SMU
probably considers itself a little bit more of an elite
school than Memphis.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No question they are, yeah, but it's it is about
their money, and Memphis does have some money.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
You'd have to add another team. You can't have an
odd number of football teams. You could do it in basketball,
but why can't shoot football you have you got to
have a team off every week.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think it's got to be that they think the
ACC is going to collapse. It's got to be right,
and you got to have it the proper number of seats.
You got to have a plan. I'm sure Florida State's
part of the plan, in Virginia Tech's part of the plan.
And I don't know what else, because that makes sense, right,
you have Florida State and Virginia Tech, and now Central
Florida has a travel partner, and West Virginia has a
travel partner, and then you kind of figure figure out
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the rest.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I would think if the if the ACC would collapse,
that it would just be natural that Clemson and Florida
State would be in the SEC and you would have
North Carolina Virginia go to the Big Ten. If they
want to add those teams, they could probably bring revenue
in that would help those leagues in TV.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Feels like there's a plan. My thing is, it feels
like there's a plan there that everybody else has that
we don't know what the like like this is you
know how people say the NFL is scripted, Like there's
a script to this thing. Like you said, it makes
complete sense. North Carolina probably do cast to go to
the you guys to go with them to the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Yeah, right, Well credits it to the Memphis president for
coming up with this plan. I mean, that's a great
idea and the people that were going to back it
to bring relevance to that sports and athletic program the university.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
That's a baller move to me.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
I don't know if I was a Big twelve, I
don't know all the details, but I probably would thought.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
About, yeah, I'm two hundred million dollars or it was fifty, right, yeah, fifty.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I think bread was coming up later on it said
two to fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's a lot of it. That's a that's a that's
a lot of money. Lastly, Mile Mote Oklahoma State. Yeah,
sixty five new guys.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's more than that.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
There are players that I think can start on that
team that have not practiced for Oklahoma State and official
capacity that they came in after spring.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But the boys from Oklahoma Concert gave him some money.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
I mean, they've been able to spread some money out
there and find some guys from They took advantage of
the fact that SEC would not accept SEC transfers after
the spring portal, and they've got some players from the
SEC that have come in. And I think Mike Gundy
staff is really rejuvenated. They had been complacent for a
while and so they're working harder than they have in
a long time. They're schedule at the beginning of the season.
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They got three out of four of their games in
the Big Twelve at home they go to Arizona. Those
are games that they need to win because it gets
tougher on the back end. But Mike Gundy has had
two losing seasons at Oklahoma State, his first in his last.
He's always better when he's not expected to do well,
and so I think they're gonna five and a half
sir Win total.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I think they go over that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He's Mark Rogers, he's my dear friend, my former radio
co host, and of course you can hear him in
Oklahoma City. Thanks so much, Mark. Let me get you
to Isaac long Crime and get a quick update before
we touch some NFL football. Ilo.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Thanks Doug. Today, Miami Dolphins quarterback to a tongue of
ilo and described our receiver Tyreek Hill is working to
rebuild relationships with his teammates after critical comments that he'll
made at the end of last season.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
When you say something like that, you don't just come
back from that with ay, my bad. No, you got
to work that relationship up. You got to build everything
up again. And it's still a work in progress, not
just for me, but for everybody. He's working on himself.
He's working on the things that he say. You know,
he says he wants to get better with That's the
first step to me, and so I commend him for
doing that.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Meanwhile, NFL media reported Dolphins cornerback Already Burns is feared
to have suffered a torn acl today at practice. In
Major League Baseball today, Rafael Devers hit two home runs
of the San Francisco Giants nine to three victory at Atlanta,
as Justin Verlander at long last, got his first victory
of the season after starting n eight. Cincinnati wanted Washington
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five nothing. The Reds Nick Lodolo a complete game, four
hit shutout with eight strikeouts and no walks, pirates over
the Tigers six to one. Mind the Spencer Horwitz Grand
Slam right now, the Mets on top of the Angels
six to three. Top of the eighth, Kansas City of
four to two lead over the Cubs after four at
Wrigley and at Corsfield, the Rockies and Cardinals just underway,
no score in the top of the second.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Doug stug Ott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. All right,
we turned from college football. Let's talk to some NFL football.
Shall we as our good fight? Ben Bolden joins us
senior NFL writer for the Boston Globe, And Ben, let's
let's start with the Patriots, A team that when you
and I first met that so you were covering for
the Globe and then of course has expanded now the
(23:12):
entire National Football League. Uh, they go out and get
a head coach that I think everybody respects. But what
is the right what's the right perception to have of
where this franchise is in terms of their level of
competitiveness in that AFC East.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Yeah, I think the Patriots entered the season with credibility,
and it's been a few years since you've been able
to say that about this team. For the first time
in several years. There's not anything about this team that
really leaves you scratching your head. Like one year it
was they put Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge
of the offense, and then the other years they did
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nothing to the roster, even though they had significant issues.
Last year they put your Odd Mayo in charge of
the team even though he had no experience. This year,
everything makes sense. You can see the player and how
it's gonna unfold. They've got a very experienced coaching staff,
a competent coaching staff led by Mike Vrabel, Josh McDaniels.
They have several guys who have been head coaches, like
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Doug maroone Thomas Brown who was with the Bears last year.
So they have a very experienced staff, guys who have
done their Roles before. They have a young quarterback in
Drake May who does have a lot to prove, but
I think last year showed that he's he's a good athlete,
he can he definitely belongs in the NFL. And the
Patriots have a I think a good young quarterback and
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then they went out in free agency and spent a
lot of money on quality players like Milton Williams from
the Eagles, Stefan Diggs coming back from his torn ACL
They beat up the offensive line, so you know, I
still think their ceiling is kind of limited. This is
probably a team that, if everything goes their way, that
you know, probably a ten and seventeam. But there's just
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there's so much more competent and you can see the
plan now, and you know, the signs are are finally
pointing up in fi Borough after several head scratching years here.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Uh Tua talked about Tyreek Hill kind of making amends
with teammates. That sounds good, but those quotes kind of
lived forever. What's the likelihood that it becomes Kumbai in Miami?
Speaker 10 (25:21):
I don't think very good. I think the owner really
should have taken a harder look about making a you know,
a total reset this offseason with head coach Mike mctaniel
and GM Chris Greer. That culture is a mess you had.
I think it was Bradley Chubb a few weeks ago
was talking about, yeah, you know, we're all in this year.
You know, we said that last year, but we were lying,
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you know, we were we were just giving you lip service.
It's like, well, that's not that's not a good sign.
That's not certainly not good for the coach that his
players are just giving lip service about being all in.
And when when you have a team led by when
Tyreek kill is one of your leaders, like that's never
been I don't think his strong suit lead by example.
And I saw today Tua had a quote that said
(26:03):
his relationship with Tyreek Hill is still a work in progress,
which is like wow, I mean they've been together three
years now, four years, Like how how could it possibly
still be a work in progress. So there's I just
think there's a lot of dysfunction in Miami right now
that that team hasn't been very disciplined. They never win
in December, they never win cold weather games, they never
beat playoff teams, and Mike McDaniel's just I don't think
(26:26):
been able to instill much discipline in that locker room.
So you know, with Tyreek Hill, he's saying all the
right things now, but we've we've heard that from the
Dolphins before. This is a team that if they don't
have a good start, things could implode very quickly down
to Miami.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Since does that Trey Hendrickson. They also don't have their
first round pick. You know, the what ends up happening
with the Bengals, I.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Mean, I think both get resolved eventually, but it's like
this franchise continues to break new ground in dysfunction. I mean,
the whole purpose of this was to avoid you know,
player holdouts, but like count on the Bengals, they managed
to get it done with Shamar Stewart, who just wants
to sign the same contract that the Bengals have signed
(27:10):
every other draft pick over the years too. But the
Bengals are the ones insisting on changing the language, and
they're they're holding firm, and so is Shamar Stewart. And
I think Stuart would be crazy to like continue holding
out much longer. He probably just has to bite his
lip and accept it. But the Bengals always play hardball.
Always seemed to kick off their players. They did it
(27:32):
last year with Chase and t Higgins. They played hardball
with them, didn't give them the contracts that those guys deserve.
It's spoiled training camp for them. The Bengals started the
season like oh and two, one and four whatever it was.
They lost to the Patriots which cost them the playoffs,
and now here they are again with Trey Hendrickson and
Shamar Stewart doing the same thing, and Mike Brown, the owner,
(27:55):
is talking to the press and just totally blaming the
agents and putting all the onus on the players side.
So you know, it's just classic Bengals, the team where
Carson Palmer threatened to retire he did retire instead of
continuing to play for them. They're up to it again
now with these contraction inigans, and it'll eventually get resolved.
I don't think Trey Hendrickson will get traded, but the
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Bengals are just always causing problems with their players.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Is this the year that the league catches up to
the Chiefs.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
No, I don't think so. I'd be worried that the
Chiefs got humiliated in the Super Bowl, And now you know,
I think they're going to beef up their offensive line,
They're going to try to get more weapons for Patrick Mahomes.
I think it might be the opposite. I'd be afraid
of the Chiefs coming back with a vengeance. Now, you know,
Travis Kelce is, you know, starting to get to the
(28:47):
end of his career, and he's been such a big
part of that dynasty. You know, we'll see if they
can kind of continue to be such a dominant team
without him. But when you've got Mahomes and you've got
Andy Reid and you still have Steve Spagnola running the defense,
I'm sorry the Chiefs aren't going anywhere this year. There's
still going to be a wagon. And I'd be afraid
that they got us humiliated so badly in the Super
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Bowl that they address their needs in the offseason and
they're going to come back with vengeance this year.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Ben Johnson said that he wants Caleb Williams to complete
seventy percent of his passes. Now that sounds great, sounds great.
It does sound like dink and dunk, And last year
he didn't throw the ball downfield almost at all, And
it feels like, you know, sometimes in order to get
to that seventy percent, you're going to hold on the
ball and eat the ball instead of run the risk
(29:36):
of throwing incomplete passes. What's your thoughts on a first
time head coach talking about completion percentages so openly.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I think it's
one of the most overrated stats that a quarterback can have, because, yeah,
is it just a bunch of screen passes and dink
and dunk. Like, I don't care if you're completing seventy
percent of passes, if you're not pushing the ball down
the field, tell me what his yards per a tenth are.
That's to me the real stat how often are you
getting the ball downfield and creating big plays in the
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passing game? And you know, I think raining Caleb Williams
in is an important function for Ben Johnson because I
think Caleb Williams likes to take too many chances and
throws off platform and he gets himself in trouble sometimes,
so it is good to rain him in and focus
maybe on safer throws. But I really, you know, seventy percent, great,
(30:28):
whoop do do? But all that really matters is are
you getting the ball downfield? And so you know that's
going to be the real key for Caleb Williams. Not
as he completing passes, but are they putting points on
the board, and I mean seventy four thousand yards those
are all benchmarks that no Bears quarterback has ever sniffed.
So it would be a record setting year for the
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Bears if Caleb Williams can get there. And he's got
the talent. But after that rookie year, I mean, I
think he's got a ways to go behind Drake May
and obviously behind Jayden Daniels for Kayleb Williams to prove
that he belongs in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay, let me ask you a question that some Packer
fans ask me. How good actually is Jordan Lovey?
Speaker 10 (31:11):
You know, I think he's good enough that the Packers
are ready to make some noise. He's made the playoffs
both of his years. He had a nice little run
two years ago. You know, want a road playoff game
or two. So I think Jordan love is the answer
for the Packers. He can, I mean, this guy can
light it up, you know, in the great tradition of
Packers quarterbacks. I think this is this is gonna be
(31:35):
a good I sense this being the year you know
for the Packers. I don't know how deep they ultimately get,
but like I could see Detroit taking a step back
with all the changes they made in our coaching staff,
especially an offense. You know, the Vikings will see what
they are. I love Kevin O'Connell as a coach, but
now that they're turning the team over to JJ McCarthy,
they're kind of an unknown. Whereas Jordan Love, now this
(31:57):
is his third year answering as the starting quarterback, him
and Matt Lafleur, I got to think are on a
pretty good page. Yeah, maybe he throws a few too
many interceptions, but Jordan Love I think has really developed
into a nice passer. And with where the Packers are
as an organization compared to everyone else in their vision,
I think this could be a good year for the
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Packers coming up.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Who are we not talking about that we should be
in terms of this is a playoff team, This is
a I don't know, you want to say Super Bowl contender.
Like we always hyper focus on a couple of teams.
Cowboys are example of we always hyper focus on them, right,
We hyper focus on teams who are at the top
last year, and the Chiefs I think deserve that focus
because the consistency of success. Who are we not focusing
(32:42):
on enough?
Speaker 10 (32:43):
So I really like the Rams this year. Even though
Matthew Stafford is like the oldest thirty seven year old
on the planet, I still think he's top eight NFL
quarterback McVeigh the heck of a coach. These young guys
like Jared Vers on defense or a year older now.
So I really like the Rams year. And honestly, if
it wasn't snowing in that playoff game against the Eagle,
if I think the Rams may have won that game.
(33:05):
So I do like the Rams. In the NFC AFC,
it does kind of feel like the Ravens like they're due.
I mean, people are talking about the Ravens, so they're
not under the radar. The two teams in the AFC West,
the Chargers year two under Harbaugh and the Broncos year
three under Sean Payton. But that's a loaded division and
the Broncos, you know, bo Nick had a great rookie year.
(33:27):
Now you know he's going to be a year more
into it. Sean Payton proving once again he's just an
incredible offensive mind and quarterback Hootor. The Broncos have an
outstanding defense, one of the best in the league. I
think the Denver Broncos are definitely you know, they're a
team that's been kind of dormant the last half decade
or so. Haven't heard much from the Broncos, but I
think Sean Payton's team is going to be a real
(33:49):
problem and make some noise here. In twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Ben Bolan Boston Globe covers the entire Nation Football League
and he joins us on a weekly basis. Ben, good
to have you back. Thanks so much for joining us.
All Right, that's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 1 (35:38):
This is game time game on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Isilo what you got?
Speaker 8 (35:48):
I'm gonna give you two choices today for better or worse?
All right, which of the following teams is going to
have the better football season in twenty twenty Bill Belichick's
former team, Thank you, Bill Belichick's former team, the New
England Patriots, or his current team, the North Carolina tar Heels.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
God, I so don't know anything about North North Carolina
tar Hills because so much is new there.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
We're talking about like a overall res in a bull
trip to the Mnikey car Careball's.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
Who's gonna have the better season record wise?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
TCU. Then they go to Charlotte the forty nine at
Central Florida. That's Charlotte Clemson, Yeah, forty nine ers. Yeah
at cal Virginia. I'm gonna say North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Okay, I don't know. I agree, I agree with that,
all right. This also involves North Carolina. So the Hard
Knocks team for training camp the year in the NFL
is the Buffalo Bills. It could have been the North
Carolina tar Heels, but that fell through as we've detailed,
(37:10):
and now a similar show will be produced by Hulu
Zulu one of the streaming companies that I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Have to get to. I have Zulu on my on
my phone. It's a great show.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yeah, I'll have to get your password for that too.
So better or worse? Which is going to be the
better show Hard Knocks, Buffalo Bills or the North Carolina
Tario show though Hard Knocks Okay really.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, because there's gonna be so many things you can't
show with the Carolina. With Carolina, what.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Do you mean by that you think that they might?
We're not talking about that.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yes, yes, she sounds lovely. By the way, she sounds lovely.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
My bivacious personality.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Do we think they met?
Speaker 8 (38:01):
I mean I I am willing on a plan.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I'm willing June June December tender that I'm not aware
of June December.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
Is that like a coy euphemism for different ages? Yes,
you know, there probably is. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Maybe February December.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Now, isn't there like this really secret uh dating site
for like really successful like riyah Rayah, Okay, Rayah dating app? Okay,
that's very interesting Rayah. All right?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Uh yeah, no, I'm will I'm not. No, I have
never been. Uh, but I I have plenty of friends
and I have friends who are like, hey, let me
just just use like your your name, and I could
I could get on Ryah that way, like no, no.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
So what has their experience been with RAYA just out
of curiosity.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Mixed but generally, you know, I think I think it's again,
this is all second and third hand. If you're on
ray you can search. I'm not on it, ever been
on it. I think it's seemingly become a little watered down.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Interesting, Okay, because I thought that there was.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
A time it was like, well, there was a time
in which it was like, you know, the Krem Day,
like Krem It's like, how does Tom Brady ask a
check out? I'm Tom Brady? But you know what I mean, Right,
I don't think it's that anymore. Okay, fascinating, and there
may be something else. So this is the last time
I heard somebody talk about was six months ago?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Anything else?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Yeah? Sorry, Bill, We'll get you outside him wake up,
all right, horning in on everything around your Belichick, get
back to your coaching your team, all right, I'm gonna
get you in big trouble here. So I am sorry,
not sorry, But you're obviously broadcasting from beautiful Oklahoma City
today where it sounds like it's a lovely day, beautiful. Yes,
(39:59):
what's the stickiness level?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Sorry to jump in.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
It's a little sticky, but it's like it's like barely
ninety and a little sticky, barely ninety. No, I mean
like if summer's supposed to be hot, I I I actually,
you know, when I was in California, I missed the
heat of summer, like it's supposed to feel different than
the rest of the year.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
All right, So I'm gonna get you in trouble.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
One where there is coming right now. It's really nice.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
It sounds sounded like that I could.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Hear the bird Tipsy Tacos by the way.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
Okay, well that that my buddy rich ones. If that
plays into what I'm about to ask you, which city
has the better food? Oklahoma City or Green Bay? Like
I said, you're gonna get somebody.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
So Oklahoma City, I think was voted number one place
to live. But US News and World Report.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
Okay, but it just came out just in terms of food.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Oklahoma City does. It's it's much bigger. It's much bigger,
much bigger. I could I could go through a laundry
list of places I love to eat in in Green Bay, Oklahoma,
city is like ten times the size of it. And
it's culinary wise, it's it's gotten a lot better, a
lot better, a lot.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Better, very good. Just one more thing, would you mind
h overnighting? Uh the angle steak tacos from Tipsy Taco
to the rest of us here, and and also something
from the Tipsy Tiki Bar.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Perhaps I'm at the Tipsie the the Tiki bar, so
there's outside.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
All right, Well, this.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Is great, like we should do the show here all
the time. We said the whole show out here. It's
a whold network out here.
Speaker 8 (41:33):
All right. Hey, as long as we'll get reimbursed for
our travel back and forth there, and that is that's
not happened, for better or worse, I know.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Appo What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Mmmmmm uh interesting location today we'll discuss I'm actually a river.
I'm beside a river or a canal in Bricktown in
Oklahoma City, home of your NBA champions It just it.
(00:33):
Let's just be honest. It feels weird. It feels weird
to say, hey, the NBA Championship. NBA team is in
Oklahoma City, but I want to talk a lot of
college football.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Here.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
To start the show, my good friend Mark Rodgers, who's
was my co host in Oklahoma City almost twenty five
years ago. He's gonna pop on with us here in
ten minutes, and before we get to Ben Bolan as
we get ready to talk some NFL football Packers camp.
Other camps have already opened up, some camps open today.
(01:07):
I do want to talk some college football. And look,
I'm a college basketball coach, so I'm not gonna say
I know where all the bodies are buried. But now
a full year into it, I learn every day about
how things work or are working or will work in
this new window of college athletics. And I thought I
(01:27):
heard a quote. I heard a quote from Mike Locksley.
Mike Loxley is the head coach at Maryland, and he
was He's from d c's from the DMV originally, and
(01:48):
so as a guy who cut his chops as an
elite recruiter at Alabama, at Illinois, at Florida, and previously
at Maryland when Ralph Free was there, he has done
a tremendous job on paper of recruiting better talent at
(02:09):
Maryland than anyone since they've joined the joined the Big Ten. Okay, again,
it's all relatives. Now, they have not won, and it's
very easy to go. Hey, let's look at his head
coaching record. He was two and twenty six at New Mexico.
So yeah, maybe the guy can't coach. But if you
look at Maryland the two years previous to this to
(02:31):
last year, he won eight games to eight games, seven
games a year before that, they seemingly had turned the
tide last year four and eight. So I want you
to take a listen to this quote and then I'll
kind of expound upon it. Because it's very, very interesting
this new era in college athletics and how coaches across
(02:54):
the landscape of college football and college basketball are talking
and we all have different ways in which we want
to tack the same problem. But here's Locksley again, head
coach of Marylynd coming off of two straight eight win seasons,
discussing what happened in his disappointing year last year.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
This for me is kind of a year of what
I like to call vulnerability. One of the greatest characteristics
you can have as a leader is the ability to
be vulnerable. And I'll tell you a year ago, coach
locks lost his locker room and for me to stand
in front of a group of media and tell you
that I lost my locker room and it wasn't because
I wasn't a good coach. It wasn't because they weren't
good players, because we were better than a four win team.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
But what we have to do is we had.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Haves and have nots for the first time in our
locker room, and the landscape of college football taught me
a valuable lesson, and that valuable lesson is important for me,
even in the midst of this change, to continue to
educate our players on the importance of what playing for
something bigger than yourself is all about. And I can
tell you that if I've got to put my desk
(03:55):
in the locker room this year, I will, and I
expect our team to show up, play hard. And probably
one of the most exciting things is is if you
ask me what kind of team we have, I don't
know yet.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And that's a good thing because as a coach sometimes
we feel like we have to have that answer.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well, I've got fall camp.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I've got about twenty five practices in July in August
to figure it out and feel very confident with the
changes in the elevation of our program that we'll put
a product.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
On a field that we can all be really excited about.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Listen, I understand that we all love We talked about
this yesterday Lindy's Athlon, you know, you name it, the
preview magazine that we've always picked up, like I am. Yeah,
I'm a college basketball coach, and yeah, I was a
professional basketball player after being a college basketball player, and
(04:48):
I've been an analyst, and I worked at ESPN for
a decade, and I worked for CBS for a half decade,
and this is my eighth year at Fox. So I
think people think that there's some secret website we go
to and there are some pretty good ones, or there's
some secret hand booklet handout that gives us all the
(05:09):
information or that, and you know, you try and talk
to as many college coaches, basketball, football, NFL people as possible,
and you do, and I can get more information than
you can get because of the jobs that I've had
over the past twenty plus years. But the reality is,
I'm a sports fan just like you are. I picked
up all these magazines anytime I've been flying, and this
(05:32):
year they're completely worthless, completely worthless, because everybody's got a
whole new team year after year. The old days of ah,
I saw this kid played a little bit as a freshman,
played a little bit more as a sophomore. As a junior,
he started to come on. Now he's a senior, and
I think he's going to have a huge senior year
Like that just doesn't usually happen anymore. It just doesn't.
(05:56):
I'm not saying unequivocally it doesn't happen anywhere, but it
is a rarity as opposed to That's how it used
to happen at most places. And then you throw in
the money factor, which you could sit there and go like, well, hey,
they need to learn to deal with it. Coaches need
to learn to figure it out. But I mean at
your own place of work, if you think that you're
(06:21):
better than a guy is making more money than you are,
are you going to be happy about it? Right? Are you?
And most people would tell you like, I want the
company to be successful. I want, But in reality, any
group project you put in on, if you're making the
(06:43):
most money, you've got to do the most work. But
that doesn't always happen. I just we have thrown an
additional adult problem into a kid's game. And then you
throw in the idea that you can go and chase
something year after year like that's going to fix your problem.
(07:04):
Only makes it worse. I just fascinated by it. Mike
Loxley like, I never would say that. Also, I don't
think it was true even in my first year. But
it's the thing that you worry about the most. Is
am I going to lose the locker room and saying
you lost the locker room and saying it's because of
you know, guys worrying about what somebody else is getting paid,
(07:26):
or worried about where that what they can get paid elsewhere,
or I'm sure he's had guys shut it down like
that's the ultimate nightmare in college athletics and losing a
locker room has always been a part of a sport,
right You can. You can drop all the pretty plays,
you give, all the impassion speeches, but if they're not listening,
if they don't try and do what you want them
(07:48):
to do, all the preparation you have that doesn't actually matter.
And you know, I was hopped on a local show
here in Oklahoma City and I said, Hey, if we
you do a show in any college market in the country,
everyone's gonna say, man, we had a good year in
the portal. We got this guy, we got that guy. Now,
(08:09):
the difference in that and recruiting back ten years ago
is there was the assumption that if you get a
guy in recruiting, he's a freshman. Maybe he plays a
little bit. Maybe one freshman breaks through and plays a lot,
but for the most part, your expectations, especially in football,
are not great for freshmen in the portal. If you
(08:30):
get a guy and he's highly touted and he's in
the portal and you pay a bunch of money. He's
supposed to perform, and if he doesn't perform, it's gonna
be the coach's fault. It's gonna be that player's fault.
It's gonna be very different, and there's not the grace
given as I think Mike Loxley smartly put like, I
don't know what we got. It's like I got twenty
(08:52):
five practices. You really get fifteen padded practices before they
play a college football game. It's crazy. It's crazy, and
team sports don't operate in a quick bake oven, but
apparently they have to. And I I heard that sound
and I thought, yeah, it was pretty brave of Mike Loxley.
(09:14):
It does explain a lot for what happened to the Terps,
where generally he's a beloved guy that the players, you
feel like, the players fight like hell for why did
that not happen last year? And it's a snapshot of
the challenges of this college landscape moving forward. Okay, coming
up next to the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. My good friend Mark Rodgers's been my partner
(09:39):
works in Oklahoma City, right we'll get Ben Bollen on
as well, but we'll get Mark Rogers on here and
we'll ask him. Okay, sec Ken Oklahoma one of his
historically great college football programs in the country. Can they
compete atop the SEC? Can they? I don't know the
(10:02):
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Speaker 2 (12:15):
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camps as they open, figure out what the Bengers are
gonna do about Trey Hendrickson, if if Tyreek Hill can
make nice with to a tongue of lots of stuff
to get to. But first I want to welcome in
(12:37):
dear friend of mine and also a guy who's my
original radio co host in Oklahma City, hosts his own
show in Oklahma City. He is the one and only
Mark Rogers, and Mark I brought you on because last year,
before the season began, I said, I thought Oklahoma was
one of the most fascinating college twell programs in the country,
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and people weren't really talking about because we talk about,
you know, the top four or five teams. Right, but oh,
you has been historically unbelievably successful, not just in the
Stoops era but also you kind of yeah and beyond.
But also you go back to when you know the
King fifties coach. Yeah, right, even go back to the fifties, right,
same thing. So my question is what's the state of
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the state now for Oklahoma FOA.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I think they made some changes.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
They brought in Jim Naggy, who was the director of
the Senior Bowl and has all kinds of scouting contacts
that really helped them get Jade not who's one of
the two players that they have that are projected to
be on the All SEC first or second team. So
they've turned it around a little bit in dealing with
the new era of college football.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
They're pretty talented. John Mattier is going to be a deal.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I mean he was a stud at Washington State with
Ben Arbuckle in that offense. Last year they didn't have
any direction on offense and it looked bad because they
had no wide receivers from week to week, shoddy offensive line,
and so now I think they've got a plan and
Matier is going to be really good. How does that
translate in the SEC, where basically every week is a
toss up.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, but last year it was Jackson Arnold is gonna
be the next right, yeah right? It lasted for not
that long two and a half weeks.
Speaker 7 (14:09):
Well, but you can see they had nothing around him.
They had no wide receivers from week to week. If
you go at the beginning of the season the preseason
depth chart, I mean their best wide receiver was a
walk on from South Lake carol Why at times they
had no one play it was injuries, recruiting, I think
development on the offensive line was a concern. But they
went out and they've got two freshmen, one that was
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a five star that they think will be rotational players
this year that can kind of grow along some older players.
They've got a starting left tackle that came in from
Western Carolina that they feel like will be in upgrade.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
So it's one of say, and look, I'm smiling because
I'm living this life, right, And it's like, well, what
does he look like when he gets here? And there
is like Oklahoma playing the SEC is the absolute top
of college football, and so it's like, all right, he
see Western Carolina, he may be awesome, and maybe he's capable,
but in the SEC, he's going against a pro every
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time he puts his hand down in the dirt. Correct.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah, what, there's other teams that are going through some
of the same type.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
They're all going the same Alabama has a really good
offensive line. Texas A and M may have the best
offensive line in the SEC coming back. Oh, you's going
to present some problems to other teams on that side
of the football as well.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Now on defense, they got some dudes.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
I mean, they've got guys that I think are going
to play on Sundays, which they haven't had. I mean,
if you go throughout the Bob Stoops tenure at Oklahoma,
there were some years that they had draft picks like
Ohio State has had in the last couple of years. Question,
they haven't had that recently. They just haven't had the talent. So,
I mean, can Matier be this type.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Of quarterback flux of funds? Is that how they did it?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:41):
No, I think some is that they took them a
while to get things figured out. They weren't Texas Tech.
They didn't want to be. They thought that was kind
of considered cheating the way that that was done. They
didn't embrace paying players right away, So it took some time,
and I think Brent Ventables is learning as he goes along.
As a head coach. He loves coordinating defenses. That's what
he loves. He's gonna do it this year, but being
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the head coach, he kind of have to take away
from that focus and be more of an administrator overall.
So the jury's still out on that. I mean, if
this year doesn't got to win, I think they want
to keep him. This is in a situation where they're, yeah,
we want to get rid of him because he's got
a pretty big buyout.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Of time, got it.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
But you also have a new ad coming.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Yeah, they need to he needs to win.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
I think seven or there's gonna be a lot of
pressure on him because the hype, if you have a
chance to listen a rout here, the hype is building.
And I don't I'm not necessarily buying into the hype completely,
but the hype is building for them to have a
chance to compete, to be a factor in the SEC race.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I just I don't think. I don't maybe they don't care.
I don't think they understand the difference in the conference.
I just don't. I just think we're Oklahoma. We win
ten games a year, and that's that. And I'm not
going to say never, but the likelihood of winning ten games,
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you'll have a year here or there. But it's so
so difficult.
Speaker 7 (17:06):
Their schedule last year featured Missouri and Old Miss in
years in which they may have had the best teams
at those schools in a long time. I think they
take a step back this year, and they're both in Norman,
so you want to try to win those games. They
beat Auburn on the road last year in a game
that could have gone either way. They played them at home,
so there's a shot for them to win a few
more than they did a year ago when they got six.
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They also now add in Michigan, Yes, which is going
to be a heck of a game the beginning of
the season. But Michigan's bring in a freshman quarterback in
against a good defense and rent vnable scheme defense, and
so people feel pretty good about that matchup, and the
line is moving OUs way in that one too.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's it really is amazing, though, how everybody thinks they
know and you have no idea. Whereas for our entire lifetime,
our entire lifetime. You could. You couldn't say you can
pick what the schedule is. But when the schedule had
come out, you go like, ah, well they're gonna win
that one now and now and and that one. They
just got better players right now, you don't know. But
then you're in the sec when everybody thinks they got Blair.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It is OEU football.
Speaker 7 (18:04):
So even if he was three and nine last year,
everybody's gonna talk themselves into thinking it's a nine and
three or ten and two season. That's the way it
happens every year, no matter what happened the year before.
Was the way it was when they were down in
the nineties when John Blake was the head coach. Oh well,
we have talent, they're just gonna, you know, just some
bad breaks. And so they've been spoiled for a long
period of time.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Here.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
What do you think why did the Big twelve turn
down Memphis?
Speaker 7 (18:25):
Do you think it was that they didn't want to
set the precedent of taking that kind of cash.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I mean, you and.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Mark acc did that for SMU right well, SMU you
say about being Bett, you Ormark.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
You guys are good friends.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
I think he's a great commissioner I mean one of
the quotes that I saw, Yeah Who Sports had that
said we vetted them once, we're we're not coming back
just because they're going to commit two hundred million dollars.
So I think that that kind of spoke volumes. SMU
probably considers itself a little bit more of an elite
school than Memphis.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
No question they are, yeah, but it's it is about
their money, and Memphis does have some money.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
You'd have to add another team. You can't have an
odd number of football teams. You could do it in basketball,
but why can't shoot football you have you got to
have a team off every week.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think it's got to be that they think the
ACC is going to collapse. It's got to be right,
and you got to have it the proper number of seats.
You got to have a plan. I'm sure Florida State's
part of the plan, in Virginia Tech's part of the plan.
And I don't know what else, because that makes sense, right,
you have Florida State and Virginia Tech, and now Central
Florida has a travel partner, and West Virginia has a
travel partner, and then you kind of figure figure out
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the rest.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
I would think if the if the ACC would collapse,
that it would just be natural that Clemson and Florida
State would be in the SEC and you would have
North Carolina Virginia go to the Big Ten. If they
want to add those teams, they could probably bring revenue
in that would help those leagues in TV.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Feels like there's a plan. My thing is, it feels
like there's a plan there that everybody else has that
we don't know what the like like this is you
know how people say the NFL is scripted, Like there's
a script to this thing. Like you said, it makes
complete sense. North Carolina probably do cast to go to
the you guys to go with them to the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Yeah, right, Well credits it to the Memphis president for
coming up with this plan. I mean, that's a great
idea and the people that were going to back it
to bring relevance to that sports and athletic program the university.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
That's a baller move to me.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
I don't know if I was a Big twelve, I
don't know all the details, but I probably would thought.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
About, yeah, I'm two hundred million dollars or it was fifty, right, yeah, fifty.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
I think bread was coming up later on it said
two to fifty.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
That's a lot of it. That's a that's a that's
a lot of money. Lastly, Mile Mote Oklahoma State. Yeah,
sixty five new guys.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
It's more than that.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
There are players that I think can start on that
team that have not practiced for Oklahoma State and official
capacity that they came in after spring.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
But the boys from Oklahoma Concert gave him some money.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
I mean, they've been able to spread some money out
there and find some guys from They took advantage of
the fact that SEC would not accept SEC transfers after
the spring portal, and they've got some players from the
SEC that have come in. And I think Mike Gundy
staff is really rejuvenated. They had been complacent for a
while and so they're working harder than they have in
a long time. They're schedule at the beginning of the season.
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They got three out of four of their games in
the Big Twelve at home they go to Arizona. Those
are games that they need to win because it gets
tougher on the back end. But Mike Gundy has had
two losing seasons at Oklahoma State, his first in his last.
He's always better when he's not expected to do well,
and so I think they're gonna five and a half
sir Win total.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I think they go over that.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
He's Mark Rogers, he's my dear friend, my former radio
co host, and of course you can hear him in
Oklahoma City. Thanks so much, Mark. Let me get you
to Isaac long Crime and get a quick update before
we touch some NFL football. Ilo.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Thanks Doug. Today, Miami Dolphins quarterback to a tongue of
ilo and described our receiver Tyreek Hill is working to
rebuild relationships with his teammates after critical comments that he'll
made at the end of last season.
Speaker 9 (21:50):
When you say something like that, you don't just come
back from that with ay, my bad. No, you got
to work that relationship up. You got to build everything
up again. And it's still a work in progress, not
just for me, but for everybody. He's working on himself.
He's working on the things that he say. You know,
he says he wants to get better with That's the
first step to me, and so I commend him for
doing that.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Meanwhile, NFL media reported Dolphins cornerback Already Burns is feared
to have suffered a torn acl today at practice. In
Major League Baseball today, Rafael Devers hit two home runs
of the San Francisco Giants nine to three victory at Atlanta,
as Justin Verlander at long last, got his first victory
of the season after starting n eight. Cincinnati wanted Washington
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five nothing. The Reds Nick Lodolo a complete game, four
hit shutout with eight strikeouts and no walks, pirates over
the Tigers six to one. Mind the Spencer Horwitz Grand
Slam right now, the Mets on top of the Angels
six to three. Top of the eighth, Kansas City of
four to two lead over the Cubs after four at
Wrigley and at Corsfield, the Rockies and Cardinals just underway,
no score in the top of the second.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Doug stug Ott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio. All right,
we turned from college football. Let's talk to some NFL football.
Shall we as our good fight? Ben Bolden joins us
senior NFL writer for the Boston Globe, And Ben, let's
let's start with the Patriots, A team that when you
and I first met that so you were covering for
the Globe and then of course has expanded now the
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entire National Football League. Uh, they go out and get
a head coach that I think everybody respects. But what
is the right what's the right perception to have of
where this franchise is in terms of their level of
competitiveness in that AFC East.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Yeah, I think the Patriots entered the season with credibility,
and it's been a few years since you've been able
to say that about this team. For the first time
in several years. There's not anything about this team that
really leaves you scratching your head. Like one year it
was they put Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge
of the offense, and then the other years they did
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nothing to the roster, even though they had significant issues.
Last year they put your Odd Mayo in charge of
the team even though he had no experience. This year,
everything makes sense. You can see the player and how
it's gonna unfold. They've got a very experienced coaching staff,
a competent coaching staff led by Mike Vrabel, Josh McDaniels.
They have several guys who have been head coaches, like
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Doug maroone Thomas Brown who was with the Bears last year.
So they have a very experienced staff, guys who have
done their Roles before. They have a young quarterback in
Drake May who does have a lot to prove, but
I think last year showed that he's he's a good athlete,
he can he definitely belongs in the NFL. And the
Patriots have a I think a good young quarterback and
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then they went out in free agency and spent a
lot of money on quality players like Milton Williams from
the Eagles, Stefan Diggs coming back from his torn ACL
They beat up the offensive line, so you know, I
still think their ceiling is kind of limited. This is
probably a team that, if everything goes their way, that
you know, probably a ten and seventeam. But there's just
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there's so much more competent and you can see the
plan now, and you know, the signs are are finally
pointing up in fi Borough after several head scratching years here.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Uh Tua talked about Tyreek Hill kind of making amends
with teammates. That sounds good, but those quotes kind of
lived forever. What's the likelihood that it becomes Kumbai in Miami?
Speaker 10 (25:21):
I don't think very good. I think the owner really
should have taken a harder look about making a you know,
a total reset this offseason with head coach Mike mctaniel
and GM Chris Greer. That culture is a mess you had.
I think it was Bradley Chubb a few weeks ago
was talking about, yeah, you know, we're all in this year.
You know, we said that last year, but we were lying,
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you know, we were we were just giving you lip service.
It's like, well, that's not that's not a good sign.
That's not certainly not good for the coach that his
players are just giving lip service about being all in.
And when when you have a team led by when
Tyreek kill is one of your leaders, like that's never
been I don't think his strong suit lead by example.
And I saw today Tua had a quote that said
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his relationship with Tyreek Hill is still a work in progress,
which is like wow, I mean they've been together three
years now, four years, Like how how could it possibly
still be a work in progress. So there's I just
think there's a lot of dysfunction in Miami right now
that that team hasn't been very disciplined. They never win
in December, they never win cold weather games, they never
beat playoff teams, and Mike McDaniel's just I don't think
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been able to instill much discipline in that locker room.
So you know, with Tyreek Hill, he's saying all the
right things now, but we've we've heard that from the
Dolphins before. This is a team that if they don't
have a good start, things could implode very quickly down
to Miami.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Since does that Trey Hendrickson. They also don't have their
first round pick. You know, the what ends up happening
with the Bengals, I.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Mean, I think both get resolved eventually, but it's like
this franchise continues to break new ground in dysfunction. I mean,
the whole purpose of this was to avoid you know,
player holdouts, but like count on the Bengals, they managed
to get it done with Shamar Stewart, who just wants
to sign the same contract that the Bengals have signed
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every other draft pick over the years too. But the
Bengals are the ones insisting on changing the language, and
they're they're holding firm, and so is Shamar Stewart. And
I think Stuart would be crazy to like continue holding
out much longer. He probably just has to bite his
lip and accept it. But the Bengals always play hardball.
Always seemed to kick off their players. They did it
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last year with Chase and t Higgins. They played hardball
with them, didn't give them the contracts that those guys deserve.
It's spoiled training camp for them. The Bengals started the
season like oh and two, one and four whatever it was.
They lost to the Patriots which cost them the playoffs,
and now here they are again with Trey Hendrickson and
Shamar Stewart doing the same thing, and Mike Brown, the owner,
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is talking to the press and just totally blaming the
agents and putting all the onus on the players side.
So you know, it's just classic Bengals, the team where
Carson Palmer threatened to retire he did retire instead of
continuing to play for them. They're up to it again
now with these contraction inigans, and it'll eventually get resolved.
I don't think Trey Hendrickson will get traded, but the
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Bengals are just always causing problems with their players.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Is this the year that the league catches up to
the Chiefs.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
No, I don't think so. I'd be worried that the
Chiefs got humiliated in the Super Bowl, And now you know,
I think they're going to beef up their offensive line,
They're going to try to get more weapons for Patrick Mahomes.
I think it might be the opposite. I'd be afraid
of the Chiefs coming back with a vengeance. Now, you know,
Travis Kelce is, you know, starting to get to the
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end of his career, and he's been such a big
part of that dynasty. You know, we'll see if they
can kind of continue to be such a dominant team
without him. But when you've got Mahomes and you've got
Andy Reid and you still have Steve Spagnola running the defense,
I'm sorry the Chiefs aren't going anywhere this year. There's
still going to be a wagon. And I'd be afraid
that they got us humiliated so badly in the Super
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Bowl that they address their needs in the offseason and
they're going to come back with vengeance this year.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Ben Johnson said that he wants Caleb Williams to complete
seventy percent of his passes. Now that sounds great, sounds great.
It does sound like dink and dunk, And last year
he didn't throw the ball downfield almost at all, And
it feels like, you know, sometimes in order to get
to that seventy percent, you're going to hold on the
ball and eat the ball instead of run the risk
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of throwing incomplete passes. What's your thoughts on a first
time head coach talking about completion percentages so openly.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I think it's
one of the most overrated stats that a quarterback can have, because, yeah,
is it just a bunch of screen passes and dink
and dunk. Like, I don't care if you're completing seventy
percent of passes, if you're not pushing the ball down
the field, tell me what his yards per a tenth are.
That's to me the real stat how often are you
getting the ball downfield and creating big plays in the
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passing game? And you know, I think raining Caleb Williams
in is an important function for Ben Johnson because I
think Caleb Williams likes to take too many chances and
throws off platform and he gets himself in trouble sometimes,
so it is good to rain him in and focus
maybe on safer throws. But I really, you know, seventy percent, great,
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whoop do do? But all that really matters is are
you getting the ball downfield? And so you know that's
going to be the real key for Caleb Williams. Not
as he completing passes, but are they putting points on
the board, and I mean seventy four thousand yards those
are all benchmarks that no Bears quarterback has ever sniffed.
So it would be a record setting year for the
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Bears if Caleb Williams can get there. And he's got
the talent. But after that rookie year, I mean, I
think he's got a ways to go behind Drake May
and obviously behind Jayden Daniels for Kayleb Williams to prove
that he belongs in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Okay, let me ask you a question that some Packer
fans ask me. How good actually is Jordan Lovey?
Speaker 10 (31:11):
You know, I think he's good enough that the Packers
are ready to make some noise. He's made the playoffs
both of his years. He had a nice little run
two years ago. You know, want a road playoff game
or two. So I think Jordan love is the answer
for the Packers. He can, I mean, this guy can
light it up, you know, in the great tradition of
Packers quarterbacks. I think this is this is gonna be
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a good I sense this being the year you know
for the Packers. I don't know how deep they ultimately get,
but like I could see Detroit taking a step back
with all the changes they made in our coaching staff,
especially an offense. You know, the Vikings will see what
they are. I love Kevin O'Connell as a coach, but
now that they're turning the team over to JJ McCarthy,
they're kind of an unknown. Whereas Jordan Love, now this
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is his third year answering as the starting quarterback, him
and Matt Lafleur, I got to think are on a
pretty good page. Yeah, maybe he throws a few too
many interceptions, but Jordan Love I think has really developed
into a nice passer. And with where the Packers are
as an organization compared to everyone else in their vision,
I think this could be a good year for the
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Packers coming up.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Who are we not talking about that we should be
in terms of this is a playoff team, This is
a I don't know, you want to say Super Bowl contender.
Like we always hyper focus on a couple of teams.
Cowboys are example of we always hyper focus on them, right,
We hyper focus on teams who are at the top
last year, and the Chiefs I think deserve that focus
because the consistency of success. Who are we not focusing
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on enough?
Speaker 10 (32:43):
So I really like the Rams this year. Even though
Matthew Stafford is like the oldest thirty seven year old
on the planet, I still think he's top eight NFL
quarterback McVeigh the heck of a coach. These young guys
like Jared Vers on defense or a year older now.
So I really like the Rams year. And honestly, if
it wasn't snowing in that playoff game against the Eagle,
if I think the Rams may have won that game.
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So I do like the Rams. In the NFC AFC,
it does kind of feel like the Ravens like they're due.
I mean, people are talking about the Ravens, so they're
not under the radar. The two teams in the AFC West,
the Chargers year two under Harbaugh and the Broncos year
three under Sean Payton. But that's a loaded division and
the Broncos, you know, bo Nick had a great rookie year.
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Now you know he's going to be a year more
into it. Sean Payton proving once again he's just an
incredible offensive mind and quarterback Hootor. The Broncos have an
outstanding defense, one of the best in the league. I
think the Denver Broncos are definitely you know, they're a
team that's been kind of dormant the last half decade
or so. Haven't heard much from the Broncos, but I
think Sean Payton's team is going to be a real
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problem and make some noise here. In twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Ben Bolan Boston Globe covers the entire Nation Football League
and he joins us on a weekly basis. Ben, good
to have you back. Thanks so much for joining us.
All Right, that's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 2 (34:44):
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win streak, right, The game ended one to nothing? Is
a play again tonight up in c That's our tyrack
play of the day. Come over next, What's better? What's worse?
You'll find out on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
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Speaker 2 (35:10):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio, still honoring
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seekers a fee. Let's get to a game with ISAs lowcront.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
This is game time game on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Isilo what you got?
Speaker 8 (35:48):
I'm gonna give you two choices today for better or worse?
All right, which of the following teams is going to
have the better football season in twenty twenty Bill Belichick's
former team, Thank you, Bill Belichick's former team, the New
England Patriots, or his current team, the North Carolina tar Heels.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
God, I so don't know anything about North North Carolina
tar Hills because so much is new there.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
We're talking about like a overall res in a bull
trip to the Mnikey car Careball's.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
Who's gonna have the better season record wise?
Speaker 2 (36:36):
TCU. Then they go to Charlotte the forty nine at
Central Florida. That's Charlotte Clemson, Yeah, forty nine ers. Yeah
at cal Virginia. I'm gonna say North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Okay, I don't know. I agree, I agree with that,
all right. This also involves North Carolina. So the Hard
Knocks team for training camp the year in the NFL
is the Buffalo Bills. It could have been the North
Carolina tar Heels, but that fell through as we've detailed,
(37:10):
and now a similar show will be produced by Hulu
Zulu one of the streaming companies that I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Have to get to. I have Zulu on my on
my phone. It's a great show.
Speaker 8 (37:21):
Yeah, I'll have to get your password for that too.
So better or worse? Which is going to be the
better show Hard Knocks, Buffalo Bills or the North Carolina
Tario show though Hard Knocks Okay really.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, because there's gonna be so many things you can't
show with the Carolina. With Carolina, what.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
Do you mean by that you think that they might?
We're not talking about that.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
How did you guys meet?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yes, yes, she sounds lovely. By the way, she sounds lovely.
Speaker 8 (37:54):
My bivacious personality.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Do we think they met?
Speaker 8 (38:01):
I mean I I am willing on a plan.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I'm willing June June December tender that I'm not aware
of June December.
Speaker 8 (38:11):
Is that like a coy euphemism for different ages? Yes,
you know, there probably is. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Maybe February December.
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Now, isn't there like this really secret uh dating site
for like really successful like riyah Rayah, Okay, Rayah dating app? Okay,
that's very interesting Rayah. All right?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Uh yeah, no, I'm will I'm not. No, I have
never been. Uh, but I I have plenty of friends
and I have friends who are like, hey, let me
just just use like your your name, and I could
I could get on Ryah that way, like no, no.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
So what has their experience been with RAYA just out
of curiosity.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Mixed but generally, you know, I think I think it's again,
this is all second and third hand. If you're on
ray you can search. I'm not on it, ever been
on it. I think it's seemingly become a little watered down.
Speaker 8 (39:16):
Interesting, Okay, because I thought that there was.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
A time it was like, well, there was a time
in which it was like, you know, the Krem Day,
like Krem It's like, how does Tom Brady ask a
check out? I'm Tom Brady? But you know what I mean, Right,
I don't think it's that anymore. Okay, fascinating, and there
may be something else. So this is the last time
I heard somebody talk about was six months ago?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Anything else?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Yeah? Sorry, Bill, We'll get you outside him wake up,
all right, horning in on everything around your Belichick, get
back to your coaching your team, all right, I'm gonna
get you in big trouble here. So I am sorry,
not sorry, But you're obviously broadcasting from beautiful Oklahoma City
today where it sounds like it's a lovely day, beautiful. Yes,
(39:59):
what's the stickiness level?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Sorry to jump in.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
It's a little sticky, but it's like it's like barely
ninety and a little sticky, barely ninety. No, I mean
like if summer's supposed to be hot, I I I actually,
you know, when I was in California, I missed the
heat of summer, like it's supposed to feel different than
the rest of the year.
Speaker 8 (40:17):
All right, So I'm gonna get you in trouble.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
One where there is coming right now. It's really nice.
Speaker 8 (40:21):
It sounds sounded like that I could.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Hear the bird Tipsy Tacos by the way.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
Okay, well that that my buddy rich ones. If that
plays into what I'm about to ask you, which city
has the better food? Oklahoma City or Green Bay? Like
I said, you're gonna get somebody.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
So Oklahoma City, I think was voted number one place
to live. But US News and World Report.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
Okay, but it just came out just in terms of food.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Oklahoma City does. It's it's much bigger. It's much bigger,
much bigger. I could I could go through a laundry
list of places I love to eat in in Green Bay, Oklahoma,
city is like ten times the size of it. And
it's culinary wise, it's it's gotten a lot better, a
lot better, a lot.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Better, very good. Just one more thing, would you mind
h overnighting? Uh the angle steak tacos from Tipsy Taco
to the rest of us here, and and also something
from the Tipsy Tiki Bar.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Perhaps I'm at the Tipsie the the Tiki bar, so
there's outside.
Speaker 8 (41:28):
All right, Well, this.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Is great, like we should do the show here all
the time. We said the whole show out here. It's
a whold network out here.
Speaker 8 (41:33):
All right. Hey, as long as we'll get reimbursed for
our travel back and forth there, and that is that's
not happened, for better or worse, I know.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Okay, coming up next to the Doug Gotlific Show. We'll
get you back to sports, but we're gonna have the
Ultimate Coffee Discussion as part of the midway. You don't
want to miss. It's next to the Doug Gotleib Show.
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