August 15, 2023 • 37 mins
With Dalvin Cook and Zeke Elliott signing with teams and Josh Jacobs being the loan running back holdout, Doug sums up the situation and gives his thoughts on the nonsense that has been reported about the market. Doug talks about Al Michaels and how he has reached The Spurrier Zone. Doug weighs in on Anthony Richardson and the other rookie quarterbacks. Plus, Nick Koop takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I am. I'm going to use an expression, And the
problem with this is the expression is it's one that's
been used in a lot of social issues and political issues,
but I think it fits this one as well. So
when you hear it from me, okay, you're going to
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automatically assume this is what happens. You assume, by the way,
when you assume, you do, in fact make an asset
of you and me. Okay, you assume that I side
politically with one side. I do not.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I do not. I do not.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I am a radical centrist, and the idea of a
radical centrist is I don't have to agree wholeheartedly with
either side. I do not give into the fringe stuff
that you see on TV, that you see on social media.
All these conspiracy theorists about freakin' dee w in MAUI
(01:52):
I think is embarrassing. It's embarrassing to people who died
in a firestorm. Okay, I don't know enough about science,
but people who are scientists say it's this is what
a firestorm looks like when a when a spark ignites
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dry land and you have hurricane force winds. Right. But
I also won't use it to do the other side
of the politics where I'll go, hey, global warming, Right,
you got the crazies on each side. I do believe
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that climate change is real. I do believe that it
was man made. I don't believe that that this is
necessarily the right time to point out because it's it's
it was Sorry for the expression, but it's also a movie,
The Perfect Storm. But I'm just using that as I
don't play the fringe thing. I play the real thing.
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I agree with some things on one side some things
in the other and some I think you're all nuts,
and I do my own thing. That's how I view
the world. But there's this expression that took place, and
again I understand that some of you will use it
and go like, wow, he's talking politics, but it's real.
It's facts over feelings. And I'll be totally candid with you.
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In my life oftentimes when there's been a what I think,
my perception of something and someone else's perception of something
are separate. It's the same event, right, but how I
see it, how they see it's different. I've always come
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back on the facts where feelings do matter. You have
to be empathetic too, like, yeah, I know when you
said that. You know when I said that, I didn't
mean anything negative by it. Yeah, but that's not how
I took it. You can't go to facts all the
time in arguments because sometimes you have to be empathetic
towards their feelings and then slowly help them see the
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facts along with how you felt in the time. But
I bring it up because the NFL running back market
has been as widely discussed as any part of the
NFL this offseason. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Like we had the quarterback market and the quarterback signings
and the gigantic sums of guaranteed money. You have Lamar
getting a new deal, you have Herbert getting a new deal.
We believe Burrow will get a new deal right in
addition to the free agent quarterbacks, the Derek Carrs, the
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Garoppolos who have gotten deals, and of course you have
the gigantic deal which was dial back from Aaron Rodgers.
So that's probably quarterbacks are always the most discussed part
of the league. The second most discussed part of the
league is the running back market and the running back
salaries and what they've been able to make. Dalvin Cook
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signed yesterday, Zeke Elliott signed yesterday. And I understand the
feelings of fans. I understand the feelings of players. I
understand the feelings of former running backs. And I think
many of you who aren't necessarily hardcore fans aren't necessarily
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former running backs. But you see it in your own life,
and you project how you're feeling about how you're financially
respected at work, and you're like, yeah, you want to
take the side of the running backs. That's all your feelings.
The facts are. Show me the highly paid running back
that really really carried a team. Derrick Henry is probably
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the best example. Right. And even with Derrick Henry, one
there's a ceiling there and two it's not like he's
making sixteen seventeen million dollars year. And as much as
the Tennessee Titans are built around Derrick Henry and him
kind of carrying the club and you know, making a safety,
stay in the box one and want anything, right, the
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biggest drop off with the Titans was because they traded
away AJ Brown. They still had Derrick Henry last year,
didn't they. They traded away AJ Brown and tried to
replace him with a rookie. And look at the drop
off there where if Derrick Henry were to leave, you know,
we're to hold out for more money and want a
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new contract, the Titans can could have almost combined salary
of Zeke Elliott and Dalvin Cook gotten them both. You're
worth two things, One with somebody who was willing to
pay you, and two how much does it cost to
replace you? How much the cost to replace you? And
and what what I've been I'll give you a little
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kind of secret in my career when I one, especially
when I was at other places more so than here.
I've always worked for a bunch of different entities, right,
and so you know, I remember when I was at
when I was at Espen, I made a good I
made a really good salary, really good, incredibly good. I'm
incredibly grateful and thankful for it. I worked a lot,
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but I had it came out of a bunch of buckets, right.
There was the radio bucket. There was the TV bucket.
There was the dot com bucket. There was the magazine bucket,
you know, there was the social bucket, which was just starting. Uh,
there was the you know, the the daily talk shows.
That was part of the bucket. And so for each
individual bucket, they'd be like, that's not that much money.
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Then you pull it all together like whoa, he makes
a good amount of money. And my point was always,
in order to replace me in any one of these spots,
you would have had to pay more, right for the
If I was working for five different entities, all five
of them would have had to compensate more than what
I was making. Well, I mean, here's the proof is
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in the pudding. Do we have Marcus Allen's comments.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They are print only. Let me grab those for you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay, we'll read you Marcus Allen's comments. But again, Marcus
Allen is a former running back, and he's like the
scorn lover. He's never gonna get over what happened to
him with the Raiders where he was benched by Al
Davis because they were personal reasons involved, and that forever
hurt his production, That forever hurt how much money he
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could make. And that was back in an era where
running back was everything. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
say it. It's almost like collusion. They've decided the running
back position is one where productivity is only for a
short period of time. Instead of looking at each and
every one individually, they've decided as a group that they're
not going to pay them. Okay, that's a feeling statement,
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not a fax statement. There are several running backs that
make well into the teens in millions of dollars, Christian
McCaffrey making sixteen million dollars. But it's not collusion to
realize what good business is and where Marcus. What Marcus
fails to mention because his feelings are with the running backs,
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is the facts that one all of these running backs,
what are they really accomplished. And two, maybe most importantly,
that money that is supposedly saved on running backs, it's
not just saved and put in the pockets of general
managers who make these decisions. It's spread around to the
rest of the team. It's a cost benefit analysis to it,
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cost benefit analysis to it. The hardest thing you're ever
going to go through in your life is when you
don't have a job and you find out what you're
really worth? Right, what am I really worth? Because where
we are with our jobs, usually people don't make less,
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You make the same, or you get a slight increase,
and you keep trying to make yourself valuable to where
you work. And maybe if you want to get more
money where you work, you go and find a way
to create some sort of leverage. And that leverage says, hey,
if you don't give me twenty thousand dollars more, I'm
going to go and leave and make it somewhere else.
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But the truth is where you are with your salary
is about your range until you don't have that. That's
why they say the best time to look for a
job is when you already have one. Dalvin Cook didn't
have a job. Zekielled didn't have a job, Zeki Yell.
It's a really good running back. Okay, when healthy, he's good,
he's solid, he's between the tackles. You're going to need
multiple backs with him because he's not that fleet of foot.
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He's not somebody who can line up out wide. He's
not somebody who's crazy versatile. He's a lot more of
a throwback running back. Good in pass pro, good at
running between the tackles, lacks the explosiveness needed to be
a star. His contract could be worth up to six
million dollars. It's four million dollars guaranteed. That's not collusion.
That's good business by the Patriots the New York Jets
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who desperately want a Dalvin Cook and have a quarterback
who was willing to give back money so they get
a Dalvin Cook. Their contract with Dalvin Cook is total
worth eight point six million dollars with most of it guaranteed.
That means somewhere probably in the seven million dollars guaranteed.
Keep in mind that you have all these other running backs,
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including the one that plays in the same stadium for
the New York Giants in Sakuon Barkley, who was reportedly
offered twelve million dollars per year, probably two years sort
of guaranteed, maybe the third year a little bit of
a guarantee whatever, which again plays into what Marcus Allen's saying.
They think you're valuable for a short period time. That's right,
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because you've seen guys fall off a cliff when they
get to the middle of their career, middle of everybody
else's career. Zeke Gillett, Dalvin Cook, bad shoulder, se Jawn
Barker has already torn his acl He's a physical specimen
and the giants want to keep him. It's not collusion,
it's just understanding the market. Hey man, we'd love to
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give you more money, but there isn't any other running
back out there who becomes a free agent who's going
to make more than what you're asking for. I understand
the facts versus feelings argument doesn't sit well with some
of you because it becomes political. This has nothing new
with politics, and at zero zero to do with my
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political stance. Nothing. It's simply a really good way for
you to process what's happened. The feelings are and look,
we as fans, it takes us a while to figure
it out, right, because you play fantasy football, and who
has the number one first round picks have always been
running backs, by the way, even that's changing some and
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we've also if you've played fantasy football for the last
ten years, you've seen how that changes because your first
round pick oftentimes gets hurt and you've got to find
a guy off a waver wire. So you go and
follow Matt Berry and tell me a guy who's going
to get a chance to replace him. Tell me who
Isaiah Pichecko is before he becomes Isaiah Pachecko. By the way,
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if you think that it's facts that running backs are
being maligned to play, just look at the Super Bowl
champion Kansas City Chiefs. They drafted Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Isaiah
Pacheck will help win them a super Bowl. One's a
first round pick, one's a seventh round pick. Why would
you spend a first round pick money when you have
a guy who's seven round and Isaiah Checko is not
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as good as Clyde Edwards Hilaire, and they'll never make
the money of Clyde Edwards Hilaire. But damn he guy runs.
Guy ran a four to five and he runs a
four to five every time he gets the football. You
get that hunger of a seventh round pick. You get
that hunger of a guy who's playing for his next
contract that has value. But stop with the feelings. The
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facts are in. Dalvin Cook is a perennial pro bowler.
Granted not a spring chicken bad shoulder, but a three
down back. The best he could do is a one
year deal with a total value of eight point six million,
which means a guarantee somewhere in the seven million dollar range.
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should be. Al Michaels is in the what I think
is Spurrier Zone. Have I ever told you about the
spurriy R Zone?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
It's the wasn't it formally the Tyson Zone?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, okay, An, it's an offshoot of the Tyson Zone. Okay,
So I think Bill Simmons came up with the Tyson zone. Okay,
so simmons Tyson zone was there's not a story about
Mike Tyson that you wouldn't believe to be true? Right,
So my old producer Adam Klugan I and Coluger' said
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Georgia lum we came up with the Spurrier zone. And
the Spurrier zone is you get to a point, especially
in sports like college football, where you've been around long enough,
you're old enough, you can say whatever the heck you want,
right and you're past the point of getting canceled. And
this is a little bit before cancel culture, but past
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the point of like it doesn't matter. Because Steve Spurrier
won the Heisman Trophy as a player, has won national championships,
one national championship at Florida, okay, and as coach in
the NFL. Granted, not successfully, but doesn't matter. He's actually
done it. And then he took South Carolina to the
SEC championship game, which you know hadn't been done since.
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And so when Steve Spurry was like, well, you know,
I played Georgia first game of season. They always have
a couple of guys suspended, right, everyone else was like whoa,
It was like, well, it's kind of true, and Spurrier
can say it, right, spur your zone, it's the it's
the when you get to the point of I don't
give a flip, only not flip, and you can get
away with it because who's going to argue with Steve's freer, right,
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Same thing for al Michaels. He's in that zone.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Don't believe me. There's a sports business journal piece on
al Michaels. He's seventy eight years old. He pulled no punches,
discussing those who chastised his performance last season because he
did it sound like he was annoyed at the quality
of game. Look, sometimes I'll take some poop. Only he
didn't say poop. People say he didn't get excited, though,
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what do you want me to do? Scream, holler, yell
at the game? That ain't me, That ain't Joe Buck,
that ain't Jim Nance. I can't pay attention to anti
social media. We live in a country of three hundred
and thirty million people. Isn't it three to fifty? I
hate to be the one, but isn't it three fifty?
It is a three thirty or three fifty?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think it's closer to three thirty.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
We are we missing twenty million people? Did what happened there?
If eight people rip you on social I'm going huh. Now,
anybody's sitting in the basement has a platform. You can't
let things like that distress you. I've been doing this
for so long, and I wouldn't be here at this point.
I'm still doing a major package. If I was doing
it the wrong way, right, it's the now. Look a
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little bit of it is al Come on, man, you
gotta sell a little bit better. And did you that
when you took the money from Amazon, did you think
they were going to have the best games?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I like to use this my my Boog Shamby story
with Moys Salou Nick Kope, you've ever heard the story? Okay,
so Boog my boy. And ironically enough, now Boog is
the voice of the Chicago Cubs. But if you remember,
Mois Lou won a World Series with the Marlins and
then he went to the Cubs and Boog started his
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career as the voice of the Marlins. So they're having
dinner one night after a game that he called of
the Cubs back when he's doing maybe Sunday Night Basse
or day base whatever he's doing, and he's like, mo
how do you highlight Chicago? Man? It's a great city,
summer city. I love you here in Chicago. And they
were good at the time. He's like, really like it,
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But a lot of day games. If you had signed
with the Cubs, they're going to play a lot of
day games. What percentage of people that are thirty five
years old and younger know the Cubs used to not
have lights until the late eighties, didn't have lights, so
couldn't play night games. You're like, what Notre Dame Stadium
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didn't have lights until I think the mid nineties, maybe
even late nineties. So the point is, if you're gonna
sign with the Cubs, you're gonna play a lot of
day games. You're like, why does that matter? Well, the
game is a day game. That means you can't go
out and go get crazy the night before because you
got up and get to go go to work. That's
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the same thing for al Michaels is like, al, like,
you thought Amazon was going to have the best games
the first year you're doing it like you're an NBC.
Now you're in Amazon. So it works, dude. You know
so I like the fact that he's in the I
don't give a rip short of category the Spurrier zone.
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I do think that you gotta he's got to take
a little bit of a like, look, I'm an Amazon,
I gotta sell a little bit more. But al Michaels
is widely considered by most play by play guys to
be the goat most play by play guys, you say,
who's the greatest play by play guy of all time?
And it's not because do you believe in miracles? Yes,
that's only part and parcel to the overall package of
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things that he's done and done well. And he's got
an ego like the rest of us, but he's also
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Speaker 5 (20:58):
If I could just tack onto the album Michael's story
real quick. My favorite part of that story is when
Al's brother said, Hey, are you a little concerned about
how critical you're being of the matchups? And Al said, no,
watch what happens, And sure enough, they got some better
matchups this year on Thursday Night football. You got Vikings
e goals, you got Giants, Niners, Bengals, Ravens.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So Al knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well, I mean, like again, but that's not Al. That's
the Amazon going like, hey, we're paying how much. Give
us some games here? Yeah, right, give us give us
some games here. And look, part of it is they've
had to adjust because ESPN used to get the crummy games.
There's a pecking order for each weekend. Do people know
that each weekend you have some weekends, Fox chooses first,
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some weekends, NBC chooses first, some weekends, CBS chooses first,
and then some weekends. I think ESPN now gets to
choose first. They didn't used to with Monday night football.
And because ESPN said, hey, we're going to give you
more money, but we want a Super Bowl. We want
to be in the playoff rotation. And the NFL said
that's fine, you gotta have a better booth. So they
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went out and hired Fox's booth right, and they say, okay,
we spend all the money. Now we need better games.
Like okay, done. Now you're in the rotation. Amazon's the
new player first year, they don't get great games. Plus
their Thursday night games and Thursday night games have always
been hit or miss, stuck out. Leave show here on
Fox Sports Radio. By the way, By the way, this
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from Adam Schefter. Bryce Young has won the Carolina Panthers
starting job.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
C J.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Stroud is expected to start his second straight preseason game.
It appears to be in lined for opening day starter
and Anthony Richardson has won the Colt starting job. It's
a rush for the rookies. So the new philosophy is
get them out there, have them learn on the fly,
and look, I I get it. Let's start with Bryce Young.
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Ryce Young is a polished quarterback. It doesn't mean that
he's going to be perfect day one, but mentally, if
you know how good he was and prepared he was
in high school, if you see how quickly he was
able to assimilate to being the starting quarterback and eventually
Heisman Trophy winner at Alabama, You're like, if there's a
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guy who's ready, that guy's ready. CJ. Stroud. I feel
like that's going to be a work in progress. He's
obviously played a lot, played a good amount of football
and played it well, but I still think he's trying
to figure out who he is Anthony Richardson. The reason
the Anthony Richardson thing makes sense is twofold one. He
just needs reps. He didn't play a bunch of Florida.
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But the other part to it is Shane Steiken comes
over from Philadelphia, and Shane Stiken the system he put
in for Jalen Hurts different from year one to year
two with Jalen Hurts. But you know, they ran a
lot of college stuff. They took a lot of pressure
off him. We were trying to figure out exactly how
good Jalen Hurts was last year this time, because the
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first year he was game manager, more of a runner
than thrown. Even last year, as even last year, as
great as he was, he had a great season last year,
Let's be honest, a good portion of what they were
able to do was with his legs. Anthon Richard's a
better athlete. I mean what he's run four to four
and he's six foot four, two hundred and forty four pounds.
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I mean, guy's a monster. His thing is going to
be reading a defense and throwing the ball accurately. But
what you do with quarterbacks now is and this is
why the Chargers are in this fading window. This is
why this year is really important. When you have a
rookie on a rookie contract, rookie quarterback on a rookie contract,
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those are the golden years and most people think it's
years two, three, and four. But the problem is if
you don't start the guy in year one, then year
two becomes like you're one. You're not gonna get really
a guy. And I don't know if I've ever used
this analogy before. I believe it to be true. To
stick with me, Nick, Do you have kids? Your MIC's
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not working? No? He does not have kids? No, no yet? Okay,
Jason has one and Ramos continues to be productive. Ramos,
you're how old is Jonah?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Jonah is four? He's four?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Yeah, featured four in July?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What? Okay? Not like?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
What? Like?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You don't believe he's four yet? Or you can't believe
he's for already? Okay, I can't believe he's for it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Ramos is the Tony Randall of the dou Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah yeah, pops up with a kid late late in life.
Here he's gonna pop up with another one here. It's
all right, worst than the world. That's a blessing of God. Right,
So Ramas, you can speak to this. Nick, Please don't
answer guys, Nick, you.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Have no kids?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
What's the hardest age before ten to raise kids?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Hmmm?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I would guess that like two, three, when they start
running around?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, most people say the terrible twos? Right, Okay, Ramos,
tell me if you agree with this. Three is actually
harder than two, okay, because yeah, they learn to walk,
you know, early walkers, late talkers, early talkers, late walkers,
right somewhere between nine ten months in like fifteen months, right,
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and by the time that they're two, they do have
a little bit of attitude. They do throw fits, they
do just stop what they're doing, and they're demanding of you.
They can be a colossal pain in the ass. But
you kind of knew was coming because you heard terrible twos,
terrible twos, terrible twos, terrible twos, so you prepare for it,
you manage it well. When they get to three, they're
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potty trained sort of, right, they sleep in a big,
big boy of big girl bed and you think they've
made it out of the terrible too, So now they're
going to mature. They're still three years old, right, being
out of the crib sounds like a great idea. But now,
like you can't keep them in their bed at night.
They may want you to sleep in their bed, they
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may want to sleep in your bed. They may just
get up in the middle of the night and run
around or do whatever. In addition, like, yeah, they're potty trained,
but like that doesn't mean that they're like, hey, dude,
I got this. They're just now wearing big girl panties
a big boy underwear. It's a lot like when you
draft a quarterback and Anthony Richardson throws three picks in
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a game. You'll sit there watching the Indnapolis Coulture like,
you know he's a rookie. You know Peyton manningl of
the league in interceptions is a rookie. You get a
pass because you're a rookie, just like you don't necessarily
get a pass, but you understand it more as apparent
when they're two. The second year is way harder because
the second year they want more of the playbook. They
think they've I'm a vet. Now I've done all this stuff.
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Now I've been a rookie, I've been through it. Well,
the truth is, you've only really played somewhere between zero
and seventeen games. There's a you know, you need to
play like thirty forty NFL games for you really have experience.
So you give them a lot like three year olds.
You give them way more room, right, you give them
more respect. You put them in the big boy, big
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girl bed. There's still only three they're still only second
year quarterbacks, Would that be fair promise that a three
year old in many ways is way more difficult than
two because of your expectations, reputation, and the fact that
once they get to three, it's not like boom, all
of a sudden, they're gonna act like they're seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
By the way, Yeah, the two is, like you said,
is it's when they get to three is they still
kind of have the two part and now they're going
into a different There are times when I don't know, Nick,
when Jonah is in our bad because he starts in
his bad Yeah, and the next thing and I wake
up and he's like next to me.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm like, when did that happen?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean my son hayes on there get like he
went from he went like he was the perfect, perfect baby, okay,
and put him in the big boy bed and you know,
you lay next to him and for a little bit
and he goes to sleep, and then he got to
where he was addicted to laying next to him, like legit,
you know, like he lay with me, and then you
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end up falling asleep like laying next to him, and
then you wake up you're like super uncomfortable. Now you
got to go back into your room and try and
fall asleep. And you know, once you're up, sometimes it's
hard to get back down to sleep. Like that kills
your sleep schedule. So anyway, good times. I know him,
I know him encouraging you have children with these with
these things.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
By the way, the Terrible Twos is a perfect example
my long standing theory right now that a literation makes
a much bigger deal out of things in this country
than it should. Terrible Twos gets that route because there's
a literation. Okay, Dodger dogs get the reputation as the
best hot dogs in the history of the world because
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of a literation. They're beast just hey, they're a hot dog,
but because they're Dodger dogs, then they're more special. Watch it.
If you're not a believer in this, I'll convert you.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Okay, So here, let's do this. Let's put it out
on Twitter. Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Analogies, give me the alliteration.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Give me the alliterations that make it out to be
better than it actually.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yes, and nicknames too, By the way, people with alliterative
nicknames have a longer lasting power than just regular nickname
to people.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I'm ridiculous, Absolutely true, Absolutely true. We'll come up with
a list.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
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Speaker 1 (31:15):
Do they still make Bridgestone microwave microwave ovens? By the way,
do they play this song on the radio because there
is a word that starts several verses that is not
acceptable in public anymore? Right? What do they what do
they do with it? I haven't I out of listened
to the classic rock station, so I don't know. They
have a different version of the song. They have a
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radio version. This one is what's the word that gets
substitute in there? I think they actually take out the
whole verse huh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I mean if you listen to the hip hop stations
locally and whatnot, there are just entire words and sentences
that are just like I mean, they don't need not
necessarily have to put it in a dubbed word for it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a it's an issue one. Let's
get to Nick Cope and find out what the game is.
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Have you noticed in Los Angeles the oldie station is
k EF one on one. Have you noticed that songs
like that will be on Kree? It makes you feel
so old, you're like oldie. This is dire Straits, Like god,
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it was recorded forty years ago. It's not an oldie,
it's Dire Straights anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, you got stuff from the early two thousands that's
now on like pseudo classic stations even as well.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
All right, today's game is rank them all.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Right, Doug, let's rank the quarterbacks in the AFCs. Should
be a pretty loaded division this year.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
AFC East. Okay, So you got Mac Jones to a
tongue of ioloa, Aaron Rodgers and Josh all Josh Allen.
I'll put Aaron Rodgers one, put Josh Allen two. Gigantic
separation between those two. I'm gonna put Mac Jones three, okay,
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and to a tongue of ioloa four. I believe that
if mac Jones played in to with to his weapons,
he would remember he took me to the playoffs his
first year. Yeah, that that that would be my and
two has been hurt a lot. So all right, let's
do the same thing. But let's go to the NFC
East Jalen Hurts, Stag Prescott, Daniel Jones, and Sam Howell.
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Well we know who's last. Yes, right, I'll put Jalen
Hurts one. But I'm also willing to concede that like
we don't. We have one season where he was suspect
tackular and they played the easiest schedule in the NFL
and they had a stacked roster. Still a good roster,
especially a wide receiver. We'll see on the offensive line.
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Jalen Hurts one, Dak two, Daniel Jones three.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Same how for let's rank the three best NFL in
game broadcast team.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It's always a fun one.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Fucking Aikman, Eagle and Fouts to Rico, Collinsworth, Nance role.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I love Fouts. You threw Eagle and Fouts in there.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Yeah you don't like Eaglets brings him down that too
much for you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Eagles probably the best guy. And I hate all my friends,
but let's say it's the round of my friends. But
Eagles incredible. He is incredible. He's gonna take over for
Nance to the NCAA tournament this year, which is also
And I love Dan Fouts, but I does Dan Fouts
still do CBS?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I didn't think I think so. That's why I was
surprised when it came out of Nick's mouth.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I don't think he's with He's not, okay, I don't
think so. But nonetheless, Burcard Olsen, yeah, I'm gonna go.
Olsen obviously earned huge marks for his job. I I mean,
let's see here. You got Turco and Collinsworth three, all right,
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Creak and Collinsworth three, Nansen, Romo two, and Aikman and
Buck one.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Charles Davis is who I an eagle is working with.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
My bet they're awesome.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
All right, If we accept the SEC is the best
conference in college football this season, rank the three next
best conferences behind them.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
This season this season, okay, this season, I will put
the Pac Twelve at three because it includes USC and
includes Utah still still very good in Oregon. I'll at
the Big Ten at two and the Big Twelve because
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I think Texas is gonna be really good. I don't
know about Oklahoma, and I think overall the league is
very good. Obviously TCU playing for national championship, but the
Big Twelve at one of the non just the ACC
was so bad last year. Now Clemson obviously changing to
Dublick at quarterback, they could be back, and I think
Florida State's close to be back, but until proven otherwise,
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I'll have them off the list, all right.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
With all these quarterbacks turning down, The next season of
the Netflix show ranked the top three other position groups
that would make for a great documentary series.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Great. We said this yesterday. Okay, so I think defensive
ends at three. Okay, wide receivers at two, and I
mean I would do the entire offensive line, but I'll
just do left tackles at one. I like that as honestly,
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the most fun, most interesting, smartest, and sometimes dirtiest grossest
dudes in a locker room are the offensive linemen. Yes,
they need to be followed.
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I am. I'm going to use an expression, And the
problem with this is the expression is it's one that's
been used in a lot of social issues and political issues,
but I think it fits this one as well. So
when you hear it from me, okay, you're going to
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automatically assume this is what happens. You assume, by the way,
when you assume, you do, in fact make an asset
of you and me. Okay, you assume that I side
politically with one side. I do not.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I do not. I do not.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I am a radical centrist, and the idea of a
radical centrist is I don't have to agree wholeheartedly with
either side. I do not give into the fringe stuff
that you see on TV, that you see on social media.
All these conspiracy theorists about freakin' dee w in MAUI
(01:52):
I think is embarrassing. It's embarrassing to people who died
in a firestorm. Okay, I don't know enough about science,
but people who are scientists say it's this is what
a firestorm looks like when a when a spark ignites
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dry land and you have hurricane force winds. Right. But
I also won't use it to do the other side
of the politics where I'll go, hey, global warming, Right,
you got the crazies on each side. I do believe
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that climate change is real. I do believe that it
was man made. I don't believe that that this is
necessarily the right time to point out because it's it's
it was Sorry for the expression, but it's also a movie,
The Perfect Storm. But I'm just using that as I
don't play the fringe thing. I play the real thing.
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I agree with some things on one side some things
in the other and some I think you're all nuts,
and I do my own thing. That's how I view
the world. But there's this expression that took place, and
again I understand that some of you will use it
and go like, wow, he's talking politics, but it's real.
It's facts over feelings. And I'll be totally candid with you.
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In my life oftentimes when there's been a what I think,
my perception of something and someone else's perception of something
are separate. It's the same event, right, but how I
see it, how they see it's different. I've always come
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back on the facts where feelings do matter. You have
to be empathetic too, like, yeah, I know when you
said that. You know when I said that, I didn't
mean anything negative by it. Yeah, but that's not how
I took it. You can't go to facts all the
time in arguments because sometimes you have to be empathetic
towards their feelings and then slowly help them see the
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facts along with how you felt in the time. But
I bring it up because the NFL running back market
has been as widely discussed as any part of the
NFL this offseason. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Like we had the quarterback market and the quarterback signings
and the gigantic sums of guaranteed money. You have Lamar
getting a new deal, you have Herbert getting a new deal.
We believe Burrow will get a new deal right in
addition to the free agent quarterbacks, the Derek Carrs, the
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Garoppolos who have gotten deals, and of course you have
the gigantic deal which was dial back from Aaron Rodgers.
So that's probably quarterbacks are always the most discussed part
of the league. The second most discussed part of the
league is the running back market and the running back
salaries and what they've been able to make. Dalvin Cook
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signed yesterday, Zeke Elliott signed yesterday. And I understand the
feelings of fans. I understand the feelings of players. I
understand the feelings of former running backs. And I think
many of you who aren't necessarily hardcore fans aren't necessarily
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former running backs. But you see it in your own life,
and you project how you're feeling about how you're financially
respected at work, and you're like, yeah, you want to
take the side of the running backs. That's all your feelings.
The facts are. Show me the highly paid running back
that really really carried a team. Derrick Henry is probably
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the best example. Right. And even with Derrick Henry, one
there's a ceiling there and two it's not like he's
making sixteen seventeen million dollars year. And as much as
the Tennessee Titans are built around Derrick Henry and him
kind of carrying the club and you know, making a safety,
stay in the box one and want anything, right, the
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biggest drop off with the Titans was because they traded
away AJ Brown. They still had Derrick Henry last year,
didn't they. They traded away AJ Brown and tried to
replace him with a rookie. And look at the drop
off there where if Derrick Henry were to leave, you know,
we're to hold out for more money and want a
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new contract, the Titans can could have almost combined salary
of Zeke Elliott and Dalvin Cook gotten them both. You're
worth two things, One with somebody who was willing to
pay you, and two how much does it cost to
replace you? How much the cost to replace you? And
and what what I've been I'll give you a little
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kind of secret in my career when I one, especially
when I was at other places more so than here.
I've always worked for a bunch of different entities, right,
and so you know, I remember when I was at
when I was at Espen, I made a good I
made a really good salary, really good, incredibly good. I'm
incredibly grateful and thankful for it. I worked a lot,
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but I had it came out of a bunch of buckets, right.
There was the radio bucket. There was the TV bucket.
There was the dot com bucket. There was the magazine bucket,
you know, there was the social bucket, which was just starting. Uh,
there was the you know, the the daily talk shows.
That was part of the bucket. And so for each
individual bucket, they'd be like, that's not that much money.
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Then you pull it all together like whoa, he makes
a good amount of money. And my point was always,
in order to replace me in any one of these spots,
you would have had to pay more, right for the
If I was working for five different entities, all five
of them would have had to compensate more than what
I was making. Well, I mean, here's the proof is
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in the pudding. Do we have Marcus Allen's comments.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They are print only. Let me grab those for you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Okay, we'll read you Marcus Allen's comments. But again, Marcus
Allen is a former running back, and he's like the
scorn lover. He's never gonna get over what happened to
him with the Raiders where he was benched by Al
Davis because they were personal reasons involved, and that forever
hurt his production, That forever hurt how much money he
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could make. And that was back in an era where
running back was everything. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
say it. It's almost like collusion. They've decided the running
back position is one where productivity is only for a
short period of time. Instead of looking at each and
every one individually, they've decided as a group that they're
not going to pay them. Okay, that's a feeling statement,
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not a fax statement. There are several running backs that
make well into the teens in millions of dollars, Christian
McCaffrey making sixteen million dollars. But it's not collusion to
realize what good business is and where Marcus. What Marcus
fails to mention because his feelings are with the running backs,
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is the facts that one all of these running backs,
what are they really accomplished. And two, maybe most importantly,
that money that is supposedly saved on running backs, it's
not just saved and put in the pockets of general
managers who make these decisions. It's spread around to the
rest of the team. It's a cost benefit analysis to it,
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cost benefit analysis to it. The hardest thing you're ever
going to go through in your life is when you
don't have a job and you find out what you're
really worth? Right, what am I really worth? Because where
we are with our jobs, usually people don't make less,
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You make the same, or you get a slight increase,
and you keep trying to make yourself valuable to where
you work. And maybe if you want to get more
money where you work, you go and find a way
to create some sort of leverage. And that leverage says, hey,
if you don't give me twenty thousand dollars more, I'm
going to go and leave and make it somewhere else.
(10:29):
But the truth is where you are with your salary
is about your range until you don't have that. That's
why they say the best time to look for a
job is when you already have one. Dalvin Cook didn't
have a job. Zekielled didn't have a job, Zeki Yell.
It's a really good running back. Okay, when healthy, he's good,
he's solid, he's between the tackles. You're going to need
multiple backs with him because he's not that fleet of foot.
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He's not somebody who can line up out wide. He's
not somebody who's crazy versatile. He's a lot more of
a throwback running back. Good in pass pro, good at
running between the tackles, lacks the explosiveness needed to be
a star. His contract could be worth up to six
million dollars. It's four million dollars guaranteed. That's not collusion.
That's good business by the Patriots the New York Jets
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who desperately want a Dalvin Cook and have a quarterback
who was willing to give back money so they get
a Dalvin Cook. Their contract with Dalvin Cook is total
worth eight point six million dollars with most of it guaranteed.
That means somewhere probably in the seven million dollars guaranteed.
Keep in mind that you have all these other running backs,
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including the one that plays in the same stadium for
the New York Giants in Sakuon Barkley, who was reportedly
offered twelve million dollars per year, probably two years sort
of guaranteed, maybe the third year a little bit of
a guarantee whatever, which again plays into what Marcus Allen's saying.
They think you're valuable for a short period time. That's right,
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because you've seen guys fall off a cliff when they
get to the middle of their career, middle of everybody
else's career. Zeke Gillett, Dalvin Cook, bad shoulder, se Jawn
Barker has already torn his acl He's a physical specimen
and the giants want to keep him. It's not collusion,
it's just understanding the market. Hey man, we'd love to
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give you more money, but there isn't any other running
back out there who becomes a free agent who's going
to make more than what you're asking for. I understand
the facts versus feelings argument doesn't sit well with some
of you because it becomes political. This has nothing new
with politics, and at zero zero to do with my
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political stance. Nothing. It's simply a really good way for
you to process what's happened. The feelings are and look,
we as fans, it takes us a while to figure
it out, right, because you play fantasy football, and who
has the number one first round picks have always been
running backs, by the way, even that's changing some and
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we've also if you've played fantasy football for the last
ten years, you've seen how that changes because your first
round pick oftentimes gets hurt and you've got to find
a guy off a waver wire. So you go and
follow Matt Berry and tell me a guy who's going
to get a chance to replace him. Tell me who
Isaiah Pichecko is before he becomes Isaiah Pachecko. By the way,
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if you think that it's facts that running backs are
being maligned to play, just look at the Super Bowl
champion Kansas City Chiefs. They drafted Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Isaiah
Pacheck will help win them a super Bowl. One's a
first round pick, one's a seventh round pick. Why would
you spend a first round pick money when you have
a guy who's seven round and Isaiah Checko is not
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as good as Clyde Edwards Hilaire, and they'll never make
the money of Clyde Edwards Hilaire. But damn he guy runs.
Guy ran a four to five and he runs a
four to five every time he gets the football. You
get that hunger of a seventh round pick. You get
that hunger of a guy who's playing for his next
contract that has value. But stop with the feelings. The
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facts are in. Dalvin Cook is a perennial pro bowler.
Granted not a spring chicken bad shoulder, but a three
down back. The best he could do is a one
year deal with a total value of eight point six million,
which means a guarantee somewhere in the seven million dollar range.
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should be. Al Michaels is in the what I think
is Spurrier Zone. Have I ever told you about the
spurriy R Zone?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
It's the wasn't it formally the Tyson Zone?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Well, okay, An, it's an offshoot of the Tyson Zone. Okay,
So I think Bill Simmons came up with the Tyson zone. Okay,
so simmons Tyson zone was there's not a story about
Mike Tyson that you wouldn't believe to be true? Right,
So my old producer Adam Klugan I and Coluger' said
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Georgia lum we came up with the Spurrier zone. And
the Spurrier zone is you get to a point, especially
in sports like college football, where you've been around long enough,
you're old enough, you can say whatever the heck you want,
right and you're past the point of getting canceled. And
this is a little bit before cancel culture, but past
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the point of like it doesn't matter. Because Steve Spurrier
won the Heisman Trophy as a player, has won national championships,
one national championship at Florida, okay, and as coach in
the NFL. Granted, not successfully, but doesn't matter. He's actually
done it. And then he took South Carolina to the
SEC championship game, which you know hadn't been done since.
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And so when Steve Spurry was like, well, you know,
I played Georgia first game of season. They always have
a couple of guys suspended, right, everyone else was like whoa,
It was like, well, it's kind of true, and Spurrier
can say it, right, spur your zone, it's the it's
the when you get to the point of I don't
give a flip, only not flip, and you can get
away with it because who's going to argue with Steve's freer, right,
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Same thing for al Michaels. He's in that zone.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Don't believe me. There's a sports business journal piece on
al Michaels. He's seventy eight years old. He pulled no punches,
discussing those who chastised his performance last season because he
did it sound like he was annoyed at the quality
of game. Look, sometimes I'll take some poop. Only he
didn't say poop. People say he didn't get excited, though,
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what do you want me to do? Scream, holler, yell
at the game? That ain't me, That ain't Joe Buck,
that ain't Jim Nance. I can't pay attention to anti
social media. We live in a country of three hundred
and thirty million people. Isn't it three to fifty? I
hate to be the one, but isn't it three fifty?
It is a three thirty or three fifty?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think it's closer to three thirty.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
We are we missing twenty million people? Did what happened there?
If eight people rip you on social I'm going huh. Now,
anybody's sitting in the basement has a platform. You can't
let things like that distress you. I've been doing this
for so long, and I wouldn't be here at this point.
I'm still doing a major package. If I was doing
it the wrong way, right, it's the now. Look a
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little bit of it is al Come on, man, you
gotta sell a little bit better. And did you that
when you took the money from Amazon, did you think
they were going to have the best games?
Speaker 4 (18:29):
You know?
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I like to use this my my Boog Shamby story
with Moys Salou Nick Kope, you've ever heard the story? Okay,
so Boog my boy. And ironically enough, now Boog is
the voice of the Chicago Cubs. But if you remember,
Mois Lou won a World Series with the Marlins and
then he went to the Cubs and Boog started his
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career as the voice of the Marlins. So they're having
dinner one night after a game that he called of
the Cubs back when he's doing maybe Sunday Night Basse
or day base whatever he's doing, and he's like, mo
how do you highlight Chicago? Man? It's a great city,
summer city. I love you here in Chicago. And they
were good at the time. He's like, really like it,
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But a lot of day games. If you had signed
with the Cubs, they're going to play a lot of
day games. What percentage of people that are thirty five
years old and younger know the Cubs used to not
have lights until the late eighties, didn't have lights, so
couldn't play night games. You're like, what Notre Dame Stadium
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didn't have lights until I think the mid nineties, maybe
even late nineties. So the point is, if you're gonna
sign with the Cubs, you're gonna play a lot of
day games. You're like, why does that matter? Well, the
game is a day game. That means you can't go
out and go get crazy the night before because you
got up and get to go go to work. That's
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the same thing for al Michaels is like, al, like,
you thought Amazon was going to have the best games
the first year you're doing it like you're an NBC.
Now you're in Amazon. So it works, dude. You know
so I like the fact that he's in the I
don't give a rip short of category the Spurrier zone.
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I do think that you gotta he's got to take
a little bit of a like, look, I'm an Amazon,
I gotta sell a little bit more. But al Michaels
is widely considered by most play by play guys to
be the goat most play by play guys, you say,
who's the greatest play by play guy of all time?
And it's not because do you believe in miracles? Yes,
that's only part and parcel to the overall package of
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things that he's done and done well. And he's got
an ego like the rest of us, but he's also
reached the spurri Or zone. This show is brought to
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Speaker 5 (20:58):
If I could just tack onto the album Michael's story
real quick. My favorite part of that story is when
Al's brother said, Hey, are you a little concerned about
how critical you're being of the matchups? And Al said, no,
watch what happens, And sure enough, they got some better
matchups this year on Thursday Night football. You got Vikings
e goals, you got Giants, Niners, Bengals, Ravens.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
So Al knew what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Well, I mean, like again, but that's not Al. That's
the Amazon going like, hey, we're paying how much. Give
us some games here? Yeah, right, give us give us
some games here. And look, part of it is they've
had to adjust because ESPN used to get the crummy games.
There's a pecking order for each weekend. Do people know
that each weekend you have some weekends, Fox chooses first,
(21:42):
some weekends, NBC chooses first, some weekends, CBS chooses first,
and then some weekends. I think ESPN now gets to
choose first. They didn't used to with Monday night football.
And because ESPN said, hey, we're going to give you
more money, but we want a Super Bowl. We want
to be in the playoff rotation. And the NFL said
that's fine, you gotta have a better booth. So they
(22:02):
went out and hired Fox's booth right, and they say, okay,
we spend all the money. Now we need better games.
Like okay, done. Now you're in the rotation. Amazon's the
new player first year, they don't get great games. Plus
their Thursday night games and Thursday night games have always
been hit or miss, stuck out. Leave show here on
Fox Sports Radio. By the way, By the way, this
(22:26):
from Adam Schefter. Bryce Young has won the Carolina Panthers
starting job.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
C J.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Stroud is expected to start his second straight preseason game.
It appears to be in lined for opening day starter
and Anthony Richardson has won the Colt starting job. It's
a rush for the rookies. So the new philosophy is
get them out there, have them learn on the fly,
and look, I I get it. Let's start with Bryce Young.
(22:56):
Ryce Young is a polished quarterback. It doesn't mean that
he's going to be perfect day one, but mentally, if
you know how good he was and prepared he was
in high school, if you see how quickly he was
able to assimilate to being the starting quarterback and eventually
Heisman Trophy winner at Alabama, You're like, if there's a
(23:17):
guy who's ready, that guy's ready. CJ. Stroud. I feel
like that's going to be a work in progress. He's
obviously played a lot, played a good amount of football
and played it well, but I still think he's trying
to figure out who he is Anthony Richardson. The reason
the Anthony Richardson thing makes sense is twofold one. He
just needs reps. He didn't play a bunch of Florida.
(23:39):
But the other part to it is Shane Steiken comes
over from Philadelphia, and Shane Stiken the system he put
in for Jalen Hurts different from year one to year
two with Jalen Hurts. But you know, they ran a
lot of college stuff. They took a lot of pressure
off him. We were trying to figure out exactly how
good Jalen Hurts was last year this time, because the
(24:03):
first year he was game manager, more of a runner
than thrown. Even last year, as even last year, as
great as he was, he had a great season last year,
Let's be honest, a good portion of what they were
able to do was with his legs. Anthon Richard's a
better athlete. I mean what he's run four to four
and he's six foot four, two hundred and forty four pounds.
(24:24):
I mean, guy's a monster. His thing is going to
be reading a defense and throwing the ball accurately. But
what you do with quarterbacks now is and this is
why the Chargers are in this fading window. This is
why this year is really important. When you have a
rookie on a rookie contract, rookie quarterback on a rookie contract,
(24:50):
those are the golden years and most people think it's
years two, three, and four. But the problem is if
you don't start the guy in year one, then year
two becomes like you're one. You're not gonna get really
a guy. And I don't know if I've ever used
this analogy before. I believe it to be true. To
stick with me, Nick, Do you have kids? Your MIC's
(25:13):
not working? No? He does not have kids? No, no yet? Okay,
Jason has one and Ramos continues to be productive. Ramos,
you're how old is Jonah?
Speaker 6 (25:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Jonah is four? He's four?
Speaker 7 (25:29):
Yeah, featured four in July?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
What? Okay? Not like?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
What? Like?
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You don't believe he's four yet? Or you can't believe
he's for already? Okay, I can't believe he's for it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Ramos is the Tony Randall of the dou Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah yeah, pops up with a kid late late in life.
Here he's gonna pop up with another one here. It's
all right, worst than the world. That's a blessing of God. Right,
So Ramas, you can speak to this. Nick, Please don't
answer guys, Nick, you.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Have no kids?
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (26:02):
What's the hardest age before ten to raise kids?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Hmmm?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I would guess that like two, three, when they start
running around?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Well, most people say the terrible twos? Right, Okay, Ramos,
tell me if you agree with this. Three is actually
harder than two, okay, because yeah, they learn to walk,
you know, early walkers, late talkers, early talkers, late walkers,
right somewhere between nine ten months in like fifteen months, right,
(26:37):
and by the time that they're two, they do have
a little bit of attitude. They do throw fits, they
do just stop what they're doing, and they're demanding of you.
They can be a colossal pain in the ass. But
you kind of knew was coming because you heard terrible twos,
terrible twos, terrible twos, terrible twos, so you prepare for it,
you manage it well. When they get to three, they're
(26:58):
potty trained sort of, right, they sleep in a big,
big boy of big girl bed and you think they've
made it out of the terrible too, So now they're
going to mature. They're still three years old, right, being
out of the crib sounds like a great idea. But now,
like you can't keep them in their bed at night.
They may want you to sleep in their bed, they
(27:19):
may want to sleep in your bed. They may just
get up in the middle of the night and run
around or do whatever. In addition, like, yeah, they're potty trained,
but like that doesn't mean that they're like, hey, dude,
I got this. They're just now wearing big girl panties
a big boy underwear. It's a lot like when you
draft a quarterback and Anthony Richardson throws three picks in
(27:41):
a game. You'll sit there watching the Indnapolis Coulture like,
you know he's a rookie. You know Peyton manningl of
the league in interceptions is a rookie. You get a
pass because you're a rookie, just like you don't necessarily
get a pass, but you understand it more as apparent
when they're two. The second year is way harder because
the second year they want more of the playbook. They
think they've I'm a vet. Now I've done all this stuff.
(28:02):
Now I've been a rookie, I've been through it. Well,
the truth is, you've only really played somewhere between zero
and seventeen games. There's a you know, you need to
play like thirty forty NFL games for you really have experience.
So you give them a lot like three year olds.
You give them way more room, right, you give them
more respect. You put them in the big boy, big
(28:23):
girl bed. There's still only three they're still only second
year quarterbacks, Would that be fair promise that a three
year old in many ways is way more difficult than
two because of your expectations, reputation, and the fact that
once they get to three, it's not like boom, all
of a sudden, they're gonna act like they're seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
By the way, Yeah, the two is, like you said,
is it's when they get to three is they still
kind of have the two part and now they're going
into a different There are times when I don't know, Nick,
when Jonah is in our bad because he starts in
his bad Yeah, and the next thing and I wake
up and he's like next to me.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm like, when did that happen?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
I mean my son hayes on there get like he
went from he went like he was the perfect, perfect baby, okay,
and put him in the big boy bed and you know,
you lay next to him and for a little bit
and he goes to sleep, and then he got to
where he was addicted to laying next to him, like legit,
you know, like he lay with me, and then you
(29:20):
end up falling asleep like laying next to him, and
then you wake up you're like super uncomfortable. Now you
got to go back into your room and try and
fall asleep. And you know, once you're up, sometimes it's
hard to get back down to sleep. Like that kills
your sleep schedule. So anyway, good times. I know him,
I know him encouraging you have children with these with
these things.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
By the way, the Terrible Twos is a perfect example
my long standing theory right now that a literation makes
a much bigger deal out of things in this country
than it should. Terrible Twos gets that route because there's
a literation. Okay, Dodger dogs get the reputation as the
best hot dogs in the history of the world because
(29:58):
of a literation. They're beast just hey, they're a hot dog,
but because they're Dodger dogs, then they're more special. Watch it.
If you're not a believer in this, I'll convert you.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Okay, So here, let's do this. Let's put it out
on Twitter. Okay.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Analogies, give me the alliteration.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Give me the alliterations that make it out to be
better than it actually.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yes, and nicknames too, By the way, people with alliterative
nicknames have a longer lasting power than just regular nickname
to people.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
I'm ridiculous, Absolutely true, Absolutely true. We'll come up with
a list.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
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Speaker 1 (31:15):
Do they still make Bridgestone microwave microwave ovens? By the way,
do they play this song on the radio because there
is a word that starts several verses that is not
acceptable in public anymore? Right? What do they what do
they do with it? I haven't I out of listened
to the classic rock station, so I don't know. They
have a different version of the song. They have a
(31:36):
radio version. This one is what's the word that gets
substitute in there? I think they actually take out the
whole verse huh yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I mean if you listen to the hip hop stations
locally and whatnot, there are just entire words and sentences
that are just like I mean, they don't need not
necessarily have to put it in a dubbed word for it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a it's an issue one. Let's
get to Nick Cope and find out what the game is.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
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Have you noticed in Los Angeles the oldie station is
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like that will be on Kree? It makes you feel
so old, you're like oldie. This is dire Straits, Like god,
(32:40):
it was recorded forty years ago. It's not an oldie,
it's Dire Straights anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Well, you got stuff from the early two thousands that's
now on like pseudo classic stations even as well.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
All right, today's game is rank them all.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
Right, Doug, let's rank the quarterbacks in the AFCs. Should
be a pretty loaded division this year.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
AFC East. Okay, So you got Mac Jones to a
tongue of ioloa, Aaron Rodgers and Josh all Josh Allen.
I'll put Aaron Rodgers one, put Josh Allen two. Gigantic
separation between those two. I'm gonna put Mac Jones three, okay,
(33:23):
and to a tongue of ioloa four. I believe that
if mac Jones played in to with to his weapons,
he would remember he took me to the playoffs his
first year. Yeah, that that that would be my and
two has been hurt a lot. So all right, let's
do the same thing. But let's go to the NFC
East Jalen Hurts, Stag Prescott, Daniel Jones, and Sam Howell.
(33:46):
Well we know who's last. Yes, right, I'll put Jalen
Hurts one. But I'm also willing to concede that like
we don't. We have one season where he was suspect
tackular and they played the easiest schedule in the NFL
and they had a stacked roster. Still a good roster,
especially a wide receiver. We'll see on the offensive line.
(34:09):
Jalen Hurts one, Dak two, Daniel Jones three.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Same how for let's rank the three best NFL in
game broadcast team.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
It's always a fun one.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Fucking Aikman, Eagle and Fouts to Rico, Collinsworth, Nance role.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I love Fouts. You threw Eagle and Fouts in there.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
Yeah you don't like Eaglets brings him down that too
much for you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Eagles probably the best guy. And I hate all my friends,
but let's say it's the round of my friends. But
Eagles incredible. He is incredible. He's gonna take over for
Nance to the NCAA tournament this year, which is also
And I love Dan Fouts, but I does Dan Fouts
still do CBS?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
I didn't think I think so. That's why I was
surprised when it came out of Nick's mouth.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
I don't think he's with He's not, okay, I don't
think so. But nonetheless, Burcard Olsen, yeah, I'm gonna go.
Olsen obviously earned huge marks for his job. I I mean,
let's see here. You got Turco and Collinsworth three, all right,
(35:22):
Creak and Collinsworth three, Nansen, Romo two, and Aikman and
Buck one.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Charles Davis is who I an eagle is working with.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
My bet they're awesome.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
All right, If we accept the SEC is the best
conference in college football this season, rank the three next
best conferences behind them.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
This season this season, okay, this season, I will put
the Pac Twelve at three because it includes USC and
includes Utah still still very good in Oregon. I'll at
the Big Ten at two and the Big Twelve because
(36:05):
I think Texas is gonna be really good. I don't
know about Oklahoma, and I think overall the league is
very good. Obviously TCU playing for national championship, but the
Big Twelve at one of the non just the ACC
was so bad last year. Now Clemson obviously changing to
Dublick at quarterback, they could be back, and I think
Florida State's close to be back, but until proven otherwise,
(36:26):
I'll have them off the list, all right.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
With all these quarterbacks turning down, The next season of
the Netflix show ranked the top three other position groups
that would make for a great documentary series.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Great. We said this yesterday. Okay, so I think defensive
ends at three. Okay, wide receivers at two, and I
mean I would do the entire offensive line, but I'll
just do left tackles at one. I like that as honestly,
(36:59):
the most fun, most interesting, smartest, and sometimes dirtiest grossest
dudes in a locker room are the offensive linemen. Yes,
they need to be followed.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
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