May 28, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the Pacers beating the Knicks in game four of the Eastern Conference Finals and the role Tyrese Haliburton played in that. Doug also explains why a Pacers-Thunder NBA Finals could age well. Doug welcomes NBA writer and analyst Frank Isola onto the show to talk about the Knicks, Thunder and all of the other major headlines around the NBA. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "Is He Alright?".
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Today. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. I watched the
Pacers beat the Knicks last night, and what a fun game,
right Like I was in and out in the first
quarter and I flipped back on It's like second quarter.
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Both teams with like seven minutes to go, like you're
in the fifties. I'm like, this is awesome right now.
They were on pace for like a buck five. Didn't
get there, but still was a good watch. And at
the end, you know, Tyrese Haliburton ends up with the
historic night thirty two to twelve, fifteen assists, zero turnovers,
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zero turnovers, the most games in NBA history with thirty
plus points, fifteen plus assist and zero turn ernovers. He's
the third player in playoff history with thirty ten and fifteen,
and now he has the most playoff triple doubles in Pacers' history.
Tyres Alberton was great. Nicks weren't bad. They just couldn't
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stop anybody. Obviously, they couldn't stop the Pacers. I don't
about anybody else. No one else mattered last night, and
the Pacers take a commanding three games to one lead.
Series not over because you do potentially have two left
in New York. They obviously got to win five, and
then you know, six becomes anything the Knicks can do
to win a game on the road. We'll see. But
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I thought about this today and I kind of want
to flush out with you guys. Okay, what if the
player's poll that was conducted could in fact be true
and it could be false now and you're like, wait,
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that doesn't make any sense. Here's one of the things
that we struggle with as fans. We struggle with this
with politics as well, is we don't take into it.
We don't take context into account. Context is everything everything,
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you know. I remember there were things that were said
about President Byen when he was running where they had
footage of him in I want to say, like early nineties,
maybe even late eighties in Congress, and the things that
he was pushing for now would be like super conservative agenda.
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But we're not taking into account is the times like
at the time he was pushing towards change that we
can't even imagine now or even go back historically, Like
when we went through that summer of was that the
summer of twenty one, right with all the protests and
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you had people looking back at twenty summer twenty twenty, okay,
so that was COVID summer we had. We're looking back
looking back at historic figures and you know whether or
not they had slaves or you know how the Declaration
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of Independence was written, and yeah, of course now you
can't view a human being as three fifths of a
human being, right, But the point is where they wanted
to get to as a society at the time was
super progressive. It's like all we take we looked through
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the lens of yes we look through the lens of
today for yesterday, and that's not fair to yesterday. We
do it in sports right where we'll sit here and
we'll look at old tape of players basketball seventies or eighties, nineties,
and we'll say, you know, look at these guys. Now,
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this guy was like a plumber. He had no chance
to compete against this guy. Well like, okay, they weren't
all plumbers, but even the guys that were plumbers, now
they'd make so much money. They wouldn't have to be plumbers.
They make so much money they could actually hire trainers.
Their diets better, their workouts are better. They start shooting threes.
You know. One of the things Steph Curry told me
this once when we talked about great three point shoters
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of all time. He's like, I've never been on a
basketball court that there wasn't a three point line. Whereas
you go back to Larry bird Dale, Ellis Heck, even
Dell Curry right when they grew up, there was no
three point line. It was a learned trait and it
wasn't embraced the way it is now. So I say
that because even within a context of a year, if
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you asked me early to mid year, who's the most
overrated player in the league, and I could say Tyrese Halbert.
Why he had done anything the playoffs. He runs his mouth,
he shoots wild Shots. He benefits from the systems he
played in. You know, when he was in st was
in Sacramento, they played fast. What he's in Indie, they
play fast. You know. None of those teams do anything
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in the playoffs and it really matters. So he's overrated. Well,
now he's playing great in the conference finals, and you
know it's easy for him his mantra. Obviously, I'm not
I'm show you that I'm not overrated, and that's great.
But it's also possible that at the time in which
the question was asked, he was considered an overrated player
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All Star. But yeah, done anything and what anything? Jase?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Do?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Am I making sense to you?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I think you explained it well there, So I do
understand your question. I just I don't I don't agree
with it. I do think that this is this was
a poll of decision makers, team builders, GMS. I don't
think he would have been the most overrated. I think
the people that matter care about his value to a team.
I think when you get into these these anonymous players poll,
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I think people just take out their like personal grievances
in these polls. And I think he's done a lot
to piss fellow players off. Whatever he does. He's that
guy at work that maybe he can't help it, but
he just annoys the crap out of you. And I
think maybe that was why he was voted overrated.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So he's the Sam.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Oh, come on, I wasn't gonna say his name on
the air. We will clean that up about this.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He's the Sam? Is that? Is that what it is?
I mean, don't you ever?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
You haven't worked with everybody here. I feel like there's
more annoying people than me. I can be annoying, for sure,
but it's more of like a joyful annoyance.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, that's exactly how you perceived joyful annoyance. Yes,
I can't, I'm kidding a person still, but but this
is it's it's really interesting. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So if they were to do the poll today, don't
you think the players would would have vote the same way?
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Or No?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't think so. I'm thinking about how these guys
in the NBA. What makes over there? Do I think? Like?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
What exact cause, like I know his Olympic minutes, he
wasn't happy with that and he was he had kind
of an injury last year. He was working through and
then the slow start this past season.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He didn't say he wasn't happy with his Olympic bins.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Well, I read it.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I've read a piece online he he only played like
twenty six twenty seven minutes, and.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I'm sure he wasn't happy raided with that. Yeah, yeah, okay,
are we going to take you out and take Steff
out and put you in?
Speaker 6 (08:03):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I'm not. I'm not calling into question the coaching decisions,
but I think his his profile kind of sagged a
little bit over the last maybe six to eight months,
and now he's he's like showing everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, I'm I'm Johnny Clutch here.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I I just think he hadn't played in meaningful games
and NBA players don't care about what you do.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
They didn't get to the Eastern Conference Finals last year,
didn't they. I mean, he's done some some playoff work.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That's Correctstern Conference finals last year, yep.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But again, I'm the perception he wasn't having this level
of impact and playing this well. And I'd say, also
maybe it's the Eastern Conference finals because usually the guy
who's who gets the most overrated thing is the is
Trey Young and Trey Young's terrific, But Trey Young doesn't
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play championship level the events. He has been to one
conference finals. And maybe it's because of the shy Trey
Young gets or the shoes, or the attention or the
scoring or the passing or whatever, and people are paying
attention to the defense. I don't know, but usually it's
a Trey Young award. I don't think he would be
the most overrated player now I do think he has
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earned some respect. And yet again, here's where both can
be true. Jase, You're right. I think he's pissed a
lot of people off. I think he runs his mouth
a ton. I think that's how he plays. I think
that's how he gets the most out of himself. I think,
in a noise the hell out of his opponent. But
now they're winning, So what are you gonna actually say
about him? What are you gonna say about him? You
know you can call him whenever you want, overrated? Just
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who cares his team keeps winning games. Here's Tyrese Haliburton
when he was asked about his historic performance after the game.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
The most combination points, rebounds, assists, steals with no turnovers
in a game.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Ever, you know, ever what is that?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Did you know that?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And what is that like to do that?
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I mean, no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I feel like we were making up stats at at
some point to make me look better. But I think
I'm just trying to play the right way. Man. I
just want to impact winning.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Look, lit'sten. It's a great answer, and I do think
he wants to impact winning. I think it's an awesome player.
But and I also agree with you. Now we're just
making upstats, but those are pretty obscene stats. By the way,
his dad got to watch him in person. Here's Halberton
talking about his dad.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I'm wondering if what went on with him, if that
was tough for you, and just if there were some
emotions about having him back in here tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Emotions.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. Here,
Like my dad is just fine. Like he lives just fine.
He's at the house watching the game in a beautiful home,
or he finds his way in some sports bar with
a bunch of Pacer fans. My dad is doing just fine.
I think there was obviously a lot of commentary around him,
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especially right after, which I think someone was warranted. Some
went a little too far. But I mean that's just sports.
That's just sports, and that's just talking heads.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think his dad was
the au dad that was over the top. I thought
he handled it. I thought Tyree's handled it really well
where he's like, hey, don't feel bad for him, he's
watching in a really nice house. Yeah. I think Halliburton
is one of those guys. There's two things that come
to my mind when I watched Tyre's Halburton and frankly tonight.
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If Oklahoma City closed him out, which is going back
to that discussion we had yesterday, this will look historically
like a complete outlier finals. It'll look historically like the
final four we had a couple of years ago with
Florida Atlantic and San Diego State. You know, we had Miami.
You know, you're like, what, But I think there's a
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world where we circle back to this six seven years
from now and Oklahoma City has won a couple of titles,
and Haliburton is a is a what's it called when
you're an All Star, you're all You're All Star offender
all the time, you know, just just an All Star
point guard in the East, where it won't feel like
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we'll look back and say, yeah, that wasn't that crazy
at series, because this one reminds me a lot of
It reminds me the three Spurs and Nets Spurs Nets,
which was the lowest rated NBA finals or is the
lowest rated NBA finals of all time, and this one
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will probably beat that. Maybe not because ESPN ABC they
know how to stir up some ratings dust out of nothing,
but I think much like if we look back on
those Spurs teams and you're like, wow, they had Steve
Kerr and Steve Smith that year, and they had obviously
Tim Duncan and the makings of a team that that
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was their second championship. And then you look at even
the Nets they had Jason Kidd and Kenyan Martin and others,
but Jason Kidd end up becoming, you know, an NBA champion,
NBA champion later with the Dallas Mavericks. The point is,
when you looked at it as just those team names,
it looks really strange and people didn't watch. But then
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when you get down to it, both teams were really
talented and the substance out of it was something something
very real.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It reminds me and I think people watched the series
because Lebron was in it, but so it doesn't it's
not similar in that respect. But I do remember specifically
having a conversation in the wake of Golden State's first championship,
and I remember my host at the time said, this
was a team with no Hall of famers. Maybe Steph
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Curry makes the Hall of Fame that won this championship,
And I'm like, how do you know? At that point,
Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes was a big part
of that team, And I'm like, they're so young, and
this team is so in its infancy of greatness, how
do you know? And then so you fast forward what
ten years and Draymond and Clay are hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, yes, yes, you're completely right. That's that's one hundred
percent accurate. That's exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Buyer brought this up too, like, you look back and
it might be the start of something great. Maybe right
now we're like, eh, we're the seven different champions in
seven years, but this could be the start of something.
Right now, we just know we haven't had enough time
elapsed to look back and be like, oh, that was
a significant time.
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It's Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Did you
guys hear this? Chris Finch is the coach of the
Minnesota Timberwolves. He said this about he was talking about
a Coaches have done this for a long time, right
They they try and manipulate the officials to the media.
I do things there's a lot of truth in what
he's saying. This is Chris Finch talking about how Oklahoma
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City guards Anthony Edwards off the basketball.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
I think we could have been a little bit more
physical ourselves. Yeah, I think off ball they were super handsy.
I saw a lot of off ball contact.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
You know.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Their off ball defense was largely focused on and you know,
trying to trying to jam him up and keep him
from being able to get the ball in clean space.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
I find it also a little interesting that throughout the
entire series there I can't remember an off ball foul
that's been called after four games, which.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Is kind of unique.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
So that's just the speaks volume of the credit to
their off ball defense.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So yeah, I mean, listen, he's he's saying what we
all see when people say, hey, games officiated totally differently.
That's what they mean. That's what the mean. And yeah,
they're officiated totally differently. They are, they're grabbing, they're holding.
It's like the nineteen nineties when you're off the basketball.
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And you know, look, what Shade benefits from is people
have a they either I think most people don't understand
and I think people that cover the game either don't
understand or aren't being totally honest about it. So what
they've tried to cut back on is, yeah, they tried
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to have freedom of movement, let guys catch, but in
the playoffs they've often let it be a grab and
hold contest till you get the basketball. Now, the Thunder
grab and hold probably more than anybody because they have
a greater depth of numbers. If you call foul for them, fine,
they'll put somebody else in. They'll be fine. But the
true point of emphasis is protecting both the shooter and
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the ball handler. The shooter, if you get touched, you
get vouled, and the ball handler actually ends up being
in a position where they can create contact, create space
for themselves. And that's what Shaye does, right, He's constantly
like doing the Heisman leading with his off arm. So
Shaye benefits from the rules and how there how the
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fowls are called in the regular season in the playoffs,
and the point of focus of those rules. You're better
off having the basketball than your hands. Now, Oklahoma City
tried to do what I mean, excuse me, Minnesota tried
to do what Oklahoma City does where they jam up
the paint and loaded up, you know, on on Shay
and his teammates hit more shots and they had a
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little bit better plan off Anthony Edwards, who's more of
a pure score not a creator for other people. But
he's not wrong and everybody knows it. And some of
that had been changed by the officiating, but some of
that is getting away from what officials are really trying
to cut back on is, which is, you know, banging
into a ball handler, and that's where Shade creates those fouls,
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You're on serious XMNBA radio. You've read him for years,
you watched him on TV. He's Frank Iola, he joins
us and Frank let's let let's just start with the Knicks.
I mean, look, you know your work in New York
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is synonymous with the Knicks, and they've been so disappointing
for so long. If it ends in you know, five
or six, how would you characterize this season?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Oh, I think I think it would have to be successful.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You're not.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
You won fifty games, first time in thirty years that
you won fifty games, and back to back season he
got to a conference finals for the first time in
twenty five years you knocked up the defending champs.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I get it. It would be disappointing.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
That he lose to the Indiana Pacers, But the Pacers
are on a bit of a role right now. They've
played really well against Cleveland in the second round, the
team that won sixty four games. You know, Rick Carlo
does an outstanding job. So I get it it would
be a disappointment, But considering what the Knicks have done
for the last quarter century, I don't know how Nick
fans could call it a failure. I mean, it would
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be disappointment, but certainly not a failure.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What's gone so wrong for them in this series.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
It's strange, right because you know, you look at Brunson
and Towns together, and the Knicks won fifty one games
during the regular season, but against this team the next game,
aren't effective with both of them on the court, They're
really getting exposed. Eventially, they've actually been better with one all,
you know, staggering their minutes a bit. I think the
pace that Indiana is playing at is affecting the Knicks.
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But let's also face it, Doug, you know that you
go back to that game one, you know, the Knicks
should have won that game. It's just like Cleveland should
have won Game two at home and Boston should have
won Game two. And once you lose a game like
that that you should have won, it's almost as if
it was a win, but you still have to beat
them four more times.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So all that you're doing.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
From that point on is kind of chasing the series.
I mean, think about this. The Knicks were up nine
with fifty eight seconds to go in Game one, and
it wasn't as if Indiana scored nine unanswered points to
tie the game up.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
The Knicks score for one more points, so Indiana had
to go.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
On a thirteen to four run on the last fifty
eight seconds just to get the overtime. And of course
that amazing shot by Tyrus Halivert. So that was a
bit of a freak show. And I think you know,
they were the better team, but not when it really
mattered most. So I don't I don't think they've ever
really recovered from that game.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, I would. I would tend to agree with you.
What does it mean for the NBA that we're getting
on the brink of Oklahoma City versus Indie, right in
terms of lack of name brands in the in the championship.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Yeah, I think there was a point years ago when
the San Antonio Spurs made it and this is before
they won titles and people think, oh, really the San
Antonio Spurs and people want that market in there.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Then they became a bit of a brand.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
So, you know, you do with all the people that
complained that the sports talk shows all they talk about,
you know, is Lebron James and the Lakers and of
some of the names like that. I think people like basketball,
there'll be a lot of on.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I mean, whoever wins the title. I know, I'm talking about.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
Oklahoma City, I know they won, as you know, the
Seattle SuperSonics would be the first time for either organization.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I think Indiana would be a great thing. I mean,
they have a great.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Tradition, you know, during their ABA days, they have a
great tradition, certainly in the nineties with Reggie Miller, Donny
Wallah running things, Larry Brown as a coach, eventually Larry
Bird as the coach. I think for people that like basketball,
they can appreciate it. If you know, if people want
the big names, like you know, they want the Lakers
in the South as well, tell those teams to win,
because I don't.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I'm not going to have a problem with it. I
think I think it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
It's fan bases that are really passionate, and if it
turns out to be Oklahoma City or and Indiana, it's
gonna be pretty cool because you're gonna get a team
that's going to be raising a Bantner for the first time.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Tyrese Haliburton, how would you classify his his his status?
You know, he's the players only vote had him as
the most overrated player. Uh, he's he just had a
trouble double with no turnovers. He he had the you know,
he had the the step back two that was you know,
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a half inch from being a three in Game one.
He had some theatrics and comeback some previous series. How
would you characterize his his status as a star?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
You know it did just in it.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
So last night he was the first play in NBA history.
They have thirty five you know, thirty plus points, fifteen
plus assists, twelve plus rebounds, five made five may three
pointers in no terms. That inclus every game that includes
players some regular season.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
So he did something.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Historic last night. But you know, you're in a business
where you know, you're not afraid to, you know, attach
your name to your opinion. And you hear this all
the time from players when they hear.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Off the record comments, tell the person to put their
name on it.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
If I get votes for you know, all NBA MVP
and all that stuff, and arg who votes revealed. I
find it interesting that they have this, you know, anonymous
player hole, and these guys are vote Tyre's Halliburt and overrated.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
I would love to know who some of the guys
are that voted him as overrated. Have they been the
back to that conference finals? Have they.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
You know, have they been an All Star? Have they
won even a playoff series yet? So I actually I
was always of the belief, and we talked about on
the show a lot over the past six.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Weeks or so.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Now, Indiana's kind of been an underrated team this season
because you know, they did in fifty games. Only four
teams in the East want fifty more games. Indiana was
one of them, and I think, you know, they kind
of stuck up on people after the year that they
had last season.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
So I think they're underrated.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I think Tyres Haliburt is underrated. I think that poll
that you mentioned.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Ever since that came out, he's had some really good moments.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
He was outstanding against Cleveland. Then right now he's one
of the shots of the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
If it's not the shot of the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
In game one at the end of regulation like you
just mentioned before against the next how.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Crazy is it that he did it. Reggie Moller's calling
the game and he does the choke sign to him.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
No, you could tell that Reggie Miller loved every minute
of it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I've been in the building for some of those, right J.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Miller moments, and you know, to his credit, And this
is what I like about Tyrus Alibert. You know his
father was out of line with what he did, to
be honest, and Tyrus comes out right after the game
and says, listen, I talked to my father. He shouldn't
have done that. And even in that moment, like he
gives the chokes on he thought this foot was behind
the three point line.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
And he even admitted after the game, I would have
looked silly if we didn't win the game. And do
they have credit? You know, you tied the game up
and they you know, they had.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
The toughness both mentally and physically to finish it off.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
But you know, it's funny.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
He's got a lot of Reggie Miller in him from
this standpoint, body type somewhat similar, but like they're not
afraid of the moment and they're not afraid to kind
of be the villain, and they know that people are
taking all these kind of shots that had them. But
I think he kind of thrives on that. And I think,
you know, the crowd getting on him in New York
is part of it. I think the players saying that
he's overrated.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
It is part of it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Like you know, as the kids like to say, he's
about that life. He really is, Like he doesn't he
doesn't back down from challenges. And I think going into
the game yesterday, I think a lot of people though,
all right, Tyre, she really played well in games two
and three, and you know they need a Tyre's Halliburton game.
Well guess what they got a Tyres Halliburton game last night.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
He was pretty gone good.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He was really, really really good. It is interesting you
point out the Spurs because that's what I think of
Glahoma City is. I think they're awesome. I think they're defensive, minded.
You know, I think they like each other. I think
they're well coached, and I don't think people are going
to embrace them no matter how good they are. And
it's a shame because they're really, really good, but we're
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going to make them out to be some sort of
alternative champion where they won more games the regular season
anybody else. If they win the NBA Championship, well then
they want more posted to the games than anybody else.
I don't under I don't understand it. What about Shay
Do you think he's he was the league's MVP?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
All right, So I do have a vote.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I voted for Dikoya because I just felt like ten
years from now when we look back at the voting
and I didn't vote for the guy that had.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
A triple double.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
And listen when SHA's off the courtoral Gloma City, and
you know, him being off the court and on the
court is actually pretty close to what Jokics is. I
just didn't feel like, you know, Jokics has yet to
play with an All Star, and his primed obviously Jaylen
Williams this year became an All Star, and chet Holmgren
is right on the customer doing. I thought Jacobs Alexander,
you know, was terrific.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I think, you know, maybe I want to get to
my own.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Rule with the sixty eight wins, because I do put
a lot of stock in winning. But then people say, well,
how come you guys didn't make Jason data last year?
Vote him first or second when the Celtics went the
league in wins. But I like what Oklahoma City has
done this year. I give Shay credit in.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Some of these big moments. I think the game where they.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Really grew up and where he grew up was Game
four on the road in Denver.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
They were down to one in the.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Series, entered the fourth quarter on the road trailing, they
lose that game, They fall behind three to one, they
won that fourth quarter, they won the game. And then
even though they didn't play well in Game five and
really Denvershire in one Game five, they win that game
and then they have the blowout in Game seven.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
So kind of like in all these big moments.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
He's delivered, and let's see what happens tonight, because you
remember the last time Okay chance to close out a
team at home and go to the Western Conference Finals
was Game six, which ended up being Kevin Durant's final
game in the Oklahoma City uniform.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
They were up three to one.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
They were up, remember they were big in that fourth
quarter than Russell Westbrook and Givin Durant.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So he turned the ball over left and right.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
So this is a really really big you know, and
you know how this works.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I mean you could say, oh, well, if they.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Don't win game five, this game seven and honey, yeah,
that stuff, it's true, but you know, you got to
take your chances.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
When you get them.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
And I think Oklahoma City I think they kind of
understand that. So I think, you know, them understanding what's
at steak and also Anthony Edwards understanding what's at stake too.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think it's going to make for a terrific game today, Frank,
awesome stuff real quick.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You know, you have the serious six m NBA radio show,
Boston Celtics. Do they move Jalen Brown.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
You know, it's interesting, you know, because they do the
show with sky Labrainey, so he's really locked into all
things Boston. I wonder if Tadum didn't get hurt, maybe
that was something that they would consider.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
He makes a lot of the money.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
But you know, Brown, you know, this whole thing about
being like the guy in your own team. Well, guess
what next.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Year he's going to get it.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
The way that Brad Stevens spoke, I would tend to
say no, but something is going to happen with that
team because they.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Are spending a lot of money.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
But if you're also the new owner, you know, Walston
is defined by winning championships.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
So if you're gonna be the new owner.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You're gonna buy the Celtics, you better be willing to
spend the money when they have a championship team. I
think at least of this year, I think Janlen Brown,
I think Jaylen Brown is still be on the team.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
All right, great stuff, man, let's talk again as the
NBA Finals get ready to tip off. Of the meantime,
appreciate your work. Oh hey, I forgot to you run
some of those at the end of the Around the
Horn era of shows. Yeah, were you on the first
Round the Horn?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
No, No, I came.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
I was actually the first New York based reporter that
they had on the show. So I think I mean
I made Mind a debut in twelve I think it
was September of twenty twelve, So I made it for
about thirteen years. I was like the first New York
based reporter that they held. I ended up being on
the last show, so that you know, there weren't we
had They had eight of us on the show, so
(30:18):
I guess when all things ended, I was like the
eighth longest tenured pals. But then again that's not true
too becau Zachly mcmullum was gone. They brought some people back,
but they Yeah, they were really nice to get the
people over there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, I was. It ended up being a cool show.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It just.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You know, there were people that separated themselves. Was there
ever a what's the most interesting moment you can recall
that people didn't see on air? Oh?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
There was.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
There was a lot of stuff, and you know, like
the debate got really intense, you know, I would say
during Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Obviously there was a lot of intensive I always say
this though.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
One of the best ones we had was, you know,
after the US women beat Thailand and soccer thirteen nothing. Yeah,
And I remember that I didn't care about the goals
because you know, they do count go differential at some
point in the tournament. I just I thought it was
out of line that the celebrations were over the top
for like goals nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. So I
(31:17):
was really critical of that. So I think Sarah Spain
was a panel so she.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
And I were going back and forth that.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
But I was also thinking, this is what women's sports needs.
You need like actual sports debates as opposed to just
he isn't great that women are participating. And obviously Caitlin
Clark brought that in with the WNBA because on our show,
we you know, last year there was a lot of
good stuff because you had the Olympics, you know, the
men's basketball and obviously US Serbia semifinal was awesome.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
But you know, we talked a lot.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
About Caitlin Clark. She was just a compelling figure. It's
not something that we had to force, as you know,
people just wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, no, I agree. It was the first time I've
been doing this, you know, over twenty years, and we
talked about all the time. It's the first time we've
ever had not had to force it and talk women's
women's sports and people it's interesting topics. Hey, Frank, great stuff.
Thank you so much for joining us. Let's talk in soon.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Hey, keep up the great work, Doug. I'll talk to you.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
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big part of the Aaron Rodgers discussion. We'll get to
(32:37):
that next hour first, So let's get to Monti Blanio's
play game.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
All right, what you got there?
Speaker 10 (32:55):
Months Well, it's the game we play when I'm here.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
See all right, that's right.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Do we want to say where this came from? Producer Jason.
It's something we got from Antonio Brown.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Right. In fact, I saw something hit my algorithm this
past weekend. I shared it with you all. It's somebody
reposted the Antonio Brown Tyreek Hill conversation. It's fascinating. I
encourage everyone to find it. And Antonio Brown's like, hey man,
we're gonna do this thing. It's called is he alright?
I'm just gonna list a bunch of guys. You tell
me if he's I.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Is he all right? Is he I?
Speaker 10 (33:31):
So we're gonna give you a couple of names, your coach,
and you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Tell us is he all right?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
All right?
Speaker 10 (33:37):
So let's start it off here Stefan Diggs. As you
can see, there's a video, viral video.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I'm sure you've seen it.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Coach.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
He's on the bow, he's got some girls around him,
some other stuff. So Stefan Diggs, is he all right?
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Uh? Yeah? Is he? I?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
No, he's not all right. Like listen, there's a multi
multitude of dumb things here, arrogant things here. Okay again,
And it wasn't until before the show that Sam informed
me what the pin pink cocaine doesn't necessarily contain cocaine,
and apparently it has a lot of ketamine in it. Again,
(34:25):
when I have when I have drug questions, I go
directly to Sam.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
It's a drug cocktail. You don't know what you're getting, right,
It's a it's like it's it's a trendy. I don't
want to call it trendy. It's a popular item right.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Now, trendy. Yes, it's like, don't don't.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Even try it people, because it's it could kill you.
I think the word you're looking for is designer. It's
like a design that one.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
But it's not like pure.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
It's like it's like you're getting something different every time.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I don't know, man, I'll take it from here. Whenever
I go for drug information, I go to Sam. Don't
try it because because he is our drug expert anyway,
But again, what is the dumber decision? Uh, bringing enough
pink cocaine for women to go and get high? I
(35:14):
think that's probably third on the list, right because guys
were like, yeah, as long as you didn't bring it
for yourself, although why would you bring it unless it
was for your own use?
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Fair?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Secondly, Cardi B is his girlfriend. She's apparently on the
boat and he's clearly hitting on three chicks. But the
third part is the real stupidest part. You clearly know
you're being filmed. Yeah, why would you do this when
you're being filmed?
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Is this like? So no, he's not?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I Oh, is this like Odell Beckham two point zero?
Here with the picture with the worse it's worse.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Because the Odell Beckham thing it was in the in
the shot of him with some un named woman. Yeah,
this one, he actually has it and he's giving it
to the girls. Yes, and they're not his girlfriend.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
And there's there's a lot of different videos of different angles.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You know, of the event.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It's gonna be a problem here.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
A little bit, a little bit, all.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Right until left back until left moving on here.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Coach TJ.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
McConnell, who I swear feels like he never misses coming
off the bench for the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Is he all right? Uh, He's more than all right,
He's all right. He's one of those guys. He's the
ultimate pro. He only does what he you know, he
doesn't shoot threes, He only shoots those MIDI pull ups
or guess they're in for lambs, plays super hard automatic. Yeah,
he's like he's one of those glue guys. Yeah he's there, Caruso,
no question.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Is yeah, No, he's I swear feels like he never misses.
He's just automatic. All right, let's move on here. Coach
Tyreek Hill, who just you know, saying things online about
this upcoming season and how he needs to earn to
be a captain again. Is Tyreek kill is all right?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, I mean he's Tyreek Hill. This this tracks, this
tracks for him. All he's all right, sure, he's all right,
he's all right.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Is that game time?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
We got time for one more?
Speaker 9 (37:11):
Now we got more more?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Okay, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 10 (37:13):
Aaron Rodgers coach, still hasn't signed.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Is see all right?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
He's all right man, Hell, he's all right. Amen. Right,
I'm just chilling man. We'll talk to Maaron Rodgers next hour,
and that is game time.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
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so coming up next on the show, we'll get you
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(00:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Today. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. I watched the
Pacers beat the Knicks last night, and what a fun game,
right Like I was in and out in the first
quarter and I flipped back on It's like second quarter.
(00:50):
Both teams with like seven minutes to go, like you're
in the fifties. I'm like, this is awesome right now.
They were on pace for like a buck five. Didn't
get there, but still was a good watch. And at
the end, you know, Tyrese Haliburton ends up with the
historic night thirty two to twelve, fifteen assists, zero turnovers,
(01:12):
zero turnovers, the most games in NBA history with thirty
plus points, fifteen plus assist and zero turn ernovers. He's
the third player in playoff history with thirty ten and fifteen,
and now he has the most playoff triple doubles in Pacers' history.
Tyres Alberton was great. Nicks weren't bad. They just couldn't
(01:33):
stop anybody. Obviously, they couldn't stop the Pacers. I don't
about anybody else. No one else mattered last night, and
the Pacers take a commanding three games to one lead.
Series not over because you do potentially have two left
in New York. They obviously got to win five, and
then you know, six becomes anything the Knicks can do
to win a game on the road. We'll see. But
(01:53):
I thought about this today and I kind of want
to flush out with you guys. Okay, what if the
player's poll that was conducted could in fact be true
and it could be false now and you're like, wait,
(02:16):
that doesn't make any sense. Here's one of the things
that we struggle with as fans. We struggle with this
with politics as well, is we don't take into it.
We don't take context into account. Context is everything everything,
(02:41):
you know. I remember there were things that were said
about President Byen when he was running where they had
footage of him in I want to say, like early nineties,
maybe even late eighties in Congress, and the things that
he was pushing for now would be like super conservative agenda.
(03:05):
But we're not taking into account is the times like
at the time he was pushing towards change that we
can't even imagine now or even go back historically, Like
when we went through that summer of was that the
summer of twenty one, right with all the protests and
(03:26):
you had people looking back at twenty summer twenty twenty, okay,
so that was COVID summer we had. We're looking back
looking back at historic figures and you know whether or
not they had slaves or you know how the Declaration
(03:46):
of Independence was written, and yeah, of course now you
can't view a human being as three fifths of a
human being, right, But the point is where they wanted
to get to as a society at the time was
super progressive. It's like all we take we looked through
(04:08):
the lens of yes we look through the lens of
today for yesterday, and that's not fair to yesterday. We
do it in sports right where we'll sit here and
we'll look at old tape of players basketball seventies or eighties, nineties,
and we'll say, you know, look at these guys. Now,
(04:28):
this guy was like a plumber. He had no chance
to compete against this guy. Well like, okay, they weren't
all plumbers, but even the guys that were plumbers, now
they'd make so much money. They wouldn't have to be plumbers.
They make so much money they could actually hire trainers.
Their diets better, their workouts are better. They start shooting threes.
You know. One of the things Steph Curry told me
this once when we talked about great three point shoters
(04:51):
of all time. He's like, I've never been on a
basketball court that there wasn't a three point line. Whereas
you go back to Larry bird Dale, Ellis Heck, even
Dell Curry right when they grew up, there was no
three point line. It was a learned trait and it
wasn't embraced the way it is now. So I say
that because even within a context of a year, if
(05:15):
you asked me early to mid year, who's the most
overrated player in the league, and I could say Tyrese Halbert.
Why he had done anything the playoffs. He runs his mouth,
he shoots wild Shots. He benefits from the systems he
played in. You know, when he was in st was
in Sacramento, they played fast. What he's in Indie, they
play fast. You know. None of those teams do anything
(05:36):
in the playoffs and it really matters. So he's overrated. Well,
now he's playing great in the conference finals, and you
know it's easy for him his mantra. Obviously, I'm not
I'm show you that I'm not overrated, and that's great.
But it's also possible that at the time in which
the question was asked, he was considered an overrated player
(06:00):
All Star. But yeah, done anything and what anything? Jase?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Do?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Am I making sense to you?
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I think you explained it well there, So I do
understand your question. I just I don't I don't agree
with it. I do think that this is this was
a poll of decision makers, team builders, GMS. I don't
think he would have been the most overrated. I think
the people that matter care about his value to a team.
I think when you get into these these anonymous players poll,
(06:29):
I think people just take out their like personal grievances
in these polls. And I think he's done a lot
to piss fellow players off. Whatever he does. He's that
guy at work that maybe he can't help it, but
he just annoys the crap out of you. And I
think maybe that was why he was voted overrated.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
So he's the Sam.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
Oh, come on, I wasn't gonna say his name on
the air. We will clean that up about this.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He's the Sam? Is that? Is that what it is?
I mean, don't you ever?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
You haven't worked with everybody here. I feel like there's
more annoying people than me. I can be annoying, for sure,
but it's more of like a joyful annoyance.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
You know, that's exactly how you perceived joyful annoyance. Yes,
I can't, I'm kidding a person still, but but this
is it's it's really interesting. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
So if they were to do the poll today, don't
you think the players would would have vote the same way?
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Or No?
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't think so. I'm thinking about how these guys
in the NBA. What makes over there? Do I think? Like?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
What exact cause, like I know his Olympic minutes, he
wasn't happy with that and he was he had kind
of an injury last year. He was working through and
then the slow start this past season.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He didn't say he wasn't happy with his Olympic bins.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Well, I read it.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I've read a piece online he he only played like
twenty six twenty seven minutes, and.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I'm sure he wasn't happy raided with that. Yeah, yeah, okay,
are we going to take you out and take Steff
out and put you in?
Speaker 6 (08:03):
No?
Speaker 5 (08:03):
I'm not. I'm not calling into question the coaching decisions,
but I think his his profile kind of sagged a
little bit over the last maybe six to eight months,
and now he's he's like showing everybody.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, I'm I'm Johnny Clutch here.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I I just think he hadn't played in meaningful games
and NBA players don't care about what you do.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
They didn't get to the Eastern Conference Finals last year,
didn't they. I mean, he's done some some playoff work.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
That's Correctstern Conference finals last year, yep.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
But again, I'm the perception he wasn't having this level
of impact and playing this well. And I'd say, also
maybe it's the Eastern Conference finals because usually the guy
who's who gets the most overrated thing is the is
Trey Young and Trey Young's terrific, But Trey Young doesn't
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play championship level the events. He has been to one
conference finals. And maybe it's because of the shy Trey
Young gets or the shoes, or the attention or the
scoring or the passing or whatever, and people are paying
attention to the defense. I don't know, but usually it's
a Trey Young award. I don't think he would be
the most overrated player now I do think he has
(09:12):
earned some respect. And yet again, here's where both can
be true. Jase, You're right. I think he's pissed a
lot of people off. I think he runs his mouth
a ton. I think that's how he plays. I think
that's how he gets the most out of himself. I think,
in a noise the hell out of his opponent. But
now they're winning, So what are you gonna actually say
about him? What are you gonna say about him? You
know you can call him whenever you want, overrated? Just
(09:35):
who cares his team keeps winning games. Here's Tyrese Haliburton
when he was asked about his historic performance after the game.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
The most combination points, rebounds, assists, steals with no turnovers
in a game.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Ever, you know, ever what is that?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Did you know that?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
And what is that like to do that?
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I mean, no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I feel like we were making up stats at at
some point to make me look better. But I think
I'm just trying to play the right way. Man. I
just want to impact winning.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Look, lit'sten. It's a great answer, and I do think
he wants to impact winning. I think it's an awesome player.
But and I also agree with you. Now we're just
making upstats, but those are pretty obscene stats. By the way,
his dad got to watch him in person. Here's Halberton
talking about his dad.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I'm wondering if what went on with him, if that
was tough for you, and just if there were some
emotions about having him back in here tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Emotions.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
No.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. Here,
Like my dad is just fine. Like he lives just fine.
He's at the house watching the game in a beautiful home,
or he finds his way in some sports bar with
a bunch of Pacer fans. My dad is doing just fine.
I think there was obviously a lot of commentary around him,
(10:55):
especially right after, which I think someone was warranted. Some
went a little too far. But I mean that's just sports.
That's just sports, and that's just talking heads.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think his dad was
the au dad that was over the top. I thought
he handled it. I thought Tyree's handled it really well
where he's like, hey, don't feel bad for him, he's
watching in a really nice house. Yeah. I think Halliburton
is one of those guys. There's two things that come
to my mind when I watched Tyre's Halburton and frankly tonight.
(11:30):
If Oklahoma City closed him out, which is going back
to that discussion we had yesterday, this will look historically
like a complete outlier finals. It'll look historically like the
final four we had a couple of years ago with
Florida Atlantic and San Diego State. You know, we had Miami.
You know, you're like, what, But I think there's a
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world where we circle back to this six seven years
from now and Oklahoma City has won a couple of titles,
and Haliburton is a is a what's it called when
you're an All Star, you're all You're All Star offender
all the time, you know, just just an All Star
point guard in the East, where it won't feel like
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we'll look back and say, yeah, that wasn't that crazy
at series, because this one reminds me a lot of
It reminds me the three Spurs and Nets Spurs Nets,
which was the lowest rated NBA finals or is the
lowest rated NBA finals of all time, and this one
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will probably beat that. Maybe not because ESPN ABC they
know how to stir up some ratings dust out of nothing,
but I think much like if we look back on
those Spurs teams and you're like, wow, they had Steve
Kerr and Steve Smith that year, and they had obviously
Tim Duncan and the makings of a team that that
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was their second championship. And then you look at even
the Nets they had Jason Kidd and Kenyan Martin and others,
but Jason Kidd end up becoming, you know, an NBA champion,
NBA champion later with the Dallas Mavericks. The point is,
when you looked at it as just those team names,
it looks really strange and people didn't watch. But then
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when you get down to it, both teams were really
talented and the substance out of it was something something
very real.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
It reminds me and I think people watched the series
because Lebron was in it, but so it doesn't it's
not similar in that respect. But I do remember specifically
having a conversation in the wake of Golden State's first championship,
and I remember my host at the time said, this
was a team with no Hall of famers. Maybe Steph
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Curry makes the Hall of Fame that won this championship,
And I'm like, how do you know? At that point,
Klay Thompson, Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes was a big part
of that team, And I'm like, they're so young, and
this team is so in its infancy of greatness, how
do you know? And then so you fast forward what
ten years and Draymond and Clay are hall of famers.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
No, yes, yes, you're completely right. That's that's one hundred
percent accurate. That's exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Buyer brought this up too, like, you look back and
it might be the start of something great. Maybe right
now we're like, eh, we're the seven different champions in
seven years, but this could be the start of something.
Right now, we just know we haven't had enough time
elapsed to look back and be like, oh, that was
a significant time.
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Speaker 2 (15:27):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Did you
guys hear this? Chris Finch is the coach of the
Minnesota Timberwolves. He said this about he was talking about
a Coaches have done this for a long time, right
They they try and manipulate the officials to the media.
I do things there's a lot of truth in what
he's saying. This is Chris Finch talking about how Oklahoma
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City guards Anthony Edwards off the basketball.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
I think we could have been a little bit more
physical ourselves. Yeah, I think off ball they were super handsy.
I saw a lot of off ball contact.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
You know.
Speaker 9 (16:02):
Their off ball defense was largely focused on and you know,
trying to trying to jam him up and keep him
from being able to get the ball in clean space.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
You know.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
I find it also a little interesting that throughout the
entire series there I can't remember an off ball foul
that's been called after four games, which.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Is kind of unique.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
So that's just the speaks volume of the credit to
their off ball defense.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
So yeah, I mean, listen, he's he's saying what we
all see when people say, hey, games officiated totally differently.
That's what they mean. That's what the mean. And yeah,
they're officiated totally differently. They are, they're grabbing, they're holding.
It's like the nineteen nineties when you're off the basketball.
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And you know, look, what Shade benefits from is people
have a they either I think most people don't understand
and I think people that cover the game either don't
understand or aren't being totally honest about it. So what
they've tried to cut back on is, yeah, they tried
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to have freedom of movement, let guys catch, but in
the playoffs they've often let it be a grab and
hold contest till you get the basketball. Now, the Thunder
grab and hold probably more than anybody because they have
a greater depth of numbers. If you call foul for them, fine,
they'll put somebody else in. They'll be fine. But the
true point of emphasis is protecting both the shooter and
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the ball handler. The shooter, if you get touched, you
get vouled, and the ball handler actually ends up being
in a position where they can create contact, create space
for themselves. And that's what Shaye does, right, He's constantly
like doing the Heisman leading with his off arm. So
Shaye benefits from the rules and how there how the
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fowls are called in the regular season in the playoffs,
and the point of focus of those rules. You're better
off having the basketball than your hands. Now, Oklahoma City
tried to do what I mean, excuse me, Minnesota tried
to do what Oklahoma City does where they jam up
the paint and loaded up, you know, on on Shay
and his teammates hit more shots and they had a
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little bit better plan off Anthony Edwards, who's more of
a pure score not a creator for other people. But
he's not wrong and everybody knows it. And some of
that had been changed by the officiating, but some of
that is getting away from what officials are really trying
to cut back on is, which is, you know, banging
into a ball handler, and that's where Shade creates those fouls,
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real or fictitious. It stuck out the show Fox Sports Radio.
You're on serious XMNBA radio. You've read him for years,
you watched him on TV. He's Frank Iola, he joins
us and Frank let's let let's just start with the Knicks.
I mean, look, you know your work in New York
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is synonymous with the Knicks, and they've been so disappointing
for so long. If it ends in you know, five
or six, how would you characterize this season?
Speaker 7 (19:23):
Oh, I think I think it would have to be successful.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
You're not.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
You won fifty games, first time in thirty years that
you won fifty games, and back to back season he
got to a conference finals for the first time in
twenty five years you knocked up the defending champs.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I get it. It would be disappointing.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
That he lose to the Indiana Pacers, But the Pacers
are on a bit of a role right now. They've
played really well against Cleveland in the second round, the
team that won sixty four games. You know, Rick Carlo
does an outstanding job. So I get it it would
be a disappointment, But considering what the Knicks have done
for the last quarter century, I don't know how Nick
fans could call it a failure. I mean, it would
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be disappointment, but certainly not a failure.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
What's gone so wrong for them in this series.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
It's strange, right because you know, you look at Brunson
and Towns together, and the Knicks won fifty one games
during the regular season, but against this team the next game,
aren't effective with both of them on the court, They're
really getting exposed. Eventially, they've actually been better with one all,
you know, staggering their minutes a bit. I think the
pace that Indiana is playing at is affecting the Knicks.
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But let's also face it, Doug, you know that you
go back to that game one, you know, the Knicks
should have won that game. It's just like Cleveland should
have won Game two at home and Boston should have
won Game two. And once you lose a game like
that that you should have won, it's almost as if
it was a win, but you still have to beat
them four more times.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
So all that you're doing.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
From that point on is kind of chasing the series.
I mean, think about this. The Knicks were up nine
with fifty eight seconds to go in Game one, and
it wasn't as if Indiana scored nine unanswered points to
tie the game up.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
The Knicks score for one more points, so Indiana had
to go.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
On a thirteen to four run on the last fifty
eight seconds just to get the overtime. And of course
that amazing shot by Tyrus Halivert. So that was a
bit of a freak show. And I think you know,
they were the better team, but not when it really
mattered most. So I don't I don't think they've ever
really recovered from that game.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, I would. I would tend to agree with you.
What does it mean for the NBA that we're getting
on the brink of Oklahoma City versus Indie, right in
terms of lack of name brands in the in the championship.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
Yeah, I think there was a point years ago when
the San Antonio Spurs made it and this is before
they won titles and people think, oh, really the San
Antonio Spurs and people want that market in there.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Then they became a bit of a brand.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
So, you know, you do with all the people that
complained that the sports talk shows all they talk about,
you know, is Lebron James and the Lakers and of
some of the names like that. I think people like basketball,
there'll be a lot of on.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
I mean, whoever wins the title. I know, I'm talking about.
Speaker 7 (22:03):
Oklahoma City, I know they won, as you know, the
Seattle SuperSonics would be the first time for either organization.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
I think Indiana would be a great thing. I mean,
they have a great.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
Tradition, you know, during their ABA days, they have a
great tradition, certainly in the nineties with Reggie Miller, Donny
Wallah running things, Larry Brown as a coach, eventually Larry
Bird as the coach. I think for people that like basketball,
they can appreciate it. If you know, if people want
the big names, like you know, they want the Lakers
in the South as well, tell those teams to win,
because I don't.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
I'm not going to have a problem with it. I
think I think it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
It's fan bases that are really passionate, and if it
turns out to be Oklahoma City or and Indiana, it's
gonna be pretty cool because you're gonna get a team
that's going to be raising a Bantner for the first time.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Tyrese Haliburton, how would you classify his his his status?
You know, he's the players only vote had him as
the most overrated player. Uh, he's he just had a
trouble double with no turnovers. He he had the you know,
he had the the step back two that was you know,
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a half inch from being a three in Game one.
He had some theatrics and comeback some previous series. How
would you characterize his his status as a star?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
You know it did just in it.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
So last night he was the first play in NBA history.
They have thirty five you know, thirty plus points, fifteen
plus assists, twelve plus rebounds, five made five may three
pointers in no terms. That inclus every game that includes
players some regular season.
Speaker 6 (23:33):
So he did something.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
Historic last night. But you know, you're in a business
where you know, you're not afraid to, you know, attach
your name to your opinion. And you hear this all
the time from players when they hear.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Off the record comments, tell the person to put their
name on it.
Speaker 7 (23:46):
If I get votes for you know, all NBA MVP
and all that stuff, and arg who votes revealed. I
find it interesting that they have this, you know, anonymous
player hole, and these guys are vote Tyre's Halliburt and overrated.
Speaker 6 (24:01):
I would love to know who some of the guys
are that voted him as overrated. Have they been the
back to that conference finals? Have they.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
You know, have they been an All Star? Have they
won even a playoff series yet? So I actually I
was always of the belief, and we talked about on
the show a lot over the past six.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Weeks or so.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
Now, Indiana's kind of been an underrated team this season
because you know, they did in fifty games. Only four
teams in the East want fifty more games. Indiana was
one of them, and I think, you know, they kind
of stuck up on people after the year that they
had last season.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
So I think they're underrated.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I think Tyres Haliburt is underrated. I think that poll
that you mentioned.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Ever since that came out, he's had some really good moments.
Speaker 7 (24:39):
He was outstanding against Cleveland. Then right now he's one
of the shots of the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
If it's not the shot of the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
In game one at the end of regulation like you
just mentioned before against the next how.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Crazy is it that he did it. Reggie Moller's calling
the game and he does the choke sign to him.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
No, you could tell that Reggie Miller loved every minute
of it.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
I've been in the building for some of those, right J.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Miller moments, and you know, to his credit, And this
is what I like about Tyrus Alibert. You know his
father was out of line with what he did, to
be honest, and Tyrus comes out right after the game
and says, listen, I talked to my father. He shouldn't
have done that. And even in that moment, like he
gives the chokes on he thought this foot was behind
the three point line.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
And he even admitted after the game, I would have
looked silly if we didn't win the game. And do
they have credit? You know, you tied the game up
and they you know, they had.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
The toughness both mentally and physically to finish it off.
Speaker 6 (25:27):
But you know, it's funny.
Speaker 7 (25:28):
He's got a lot of Reggie Miller in him from
this standpoint, body type somewhat similar, but like they're not
afraid of the moment and they're not afraid to kind
of be the villain, and they know that people are
taking all these kind of shots that had them. But
I think he kind of thrives on that. And I think,
you know, the crowd getting on him in New York
is part of it. I think the players saying that
he's overrated.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
It is part of it.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Like you know, as the kids like to say, he's
about that life. He really is, Like he doesn't he
doesn't back down from challenges. And I think going into
the game yesterday, I think a lot of people though,
all right, Tyre, she really played well in games two
and three, and you know they need a Tyre's Halliburton game.
Well guess what they got a Tyres Halliburton game last night.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
He was pretty gone good.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
He was really, really really good. It is interesting you
point out the Spurs because that's what I think of
Glahoma City is. I think they're awesome. I think they're defensive, minded.
You know, I think they like each other. I think
they're well coached, and I don't think people are going
to embrace them no matter how good they are. And
it's a shame because they're really, really good, but we're
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going to make them out to be some sort of
alternative champion where they won more games the regular season
anybody else. If they win the NBA Championship, well then
they want more posted to the games than anybody else.
I don't under I don't understand it. What about Shay
Do you think he's he was the league's MVP?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
All right, So I do have a vote.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
I voted for Dikoya because I just felt like ten
years from now when we look back at the voting
and I didn't vote for the guy that had.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
A triple double.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
And listen when SHA's off the courtoral Gloma City, and
you know, him being off the court and on the
court is actually pretty close to what Jokics is. I
just didn't feel like, you know, Jokics has yet to
play with an All Star, and his primed obviously Jaylen
Williams this year became an All Star, and chet Holmgren
is right on the customer doing. I thought Jacobs Alexander,
you know, was terrific.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
I think, you know, maybe I want to get to
my own.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Rule with the sixty eight wins, because I do put
a lot of stock in winning. But then people say, well,
how come you guys didn't make Jason data last year?
Vote him first or second when the Celtics went the
league in wins. But I like what Oklahoma City has
done this year. I give Shay credit in.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
Some of these big moments. I think the game where they.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Really grew up and where he grew up was Game
four on the road in Denver.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
They were down to one in the.
Speaker 7 (27:43):
Series, entered the fourth quarter on the road trailing, they
lose that game, They fall behind three to one, they
won that fourth quarter, they won the game. And then
even though they didn't play well in Game five and
really Denvershire in one Game five, they win that game
and then they have the blowout in Game seven.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
So kind of like in all these big moments.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
He's delivered, and let's see what happens tonight, because you
remember the last time Okay chance to close out a
team at home and go to the Western Conference Finals
was Game six, which ended up being Kevin Durant's final
game in the Oklahoma City uniform.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
They were up three to one.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
They were up, remember they were big in that fourth
quarter than Russell Westbrook and Givin Durant.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So he turned the ball over left and right.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
So this is a really really big you know, and
you know how this works.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
I mean you could say, oh, well, if they.
Speaker 7 (28:27):
Don't win game five, this game seven and honey, yeah,
that stuff, it's true, but you know, you got to
take your chances.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
When you get them.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
And I think Oklahoma City I think they kind of
understand that. So I think, you know, them understanding what's
at steak and also Anthony Edwards understanding what's at stake too.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think it's going to make for a terrific game today, Frank,
awesome stuff real quick.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
You know, you have the serious six m NBA radio show,
Boston Celtics. Do they move Jalen Brown.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
You know, it's interesting, you know, because they do the
show with sky Labrainey, so he's really locked into all
things Boston. I wonder if Tadum didn't get hurt, maybe
that was something that they would consider.
Speaker 6 (29:06):
He makes a lot of the money.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
But you know, Brown, you know, this whole thing about
being like the guy in your own team. Well, guess
what next.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Year he's going to get it.
Speaker 7 (29:13):
The way that Brad Stevens spoke, I would tend to
say no, but something is going to happen with that
team because they.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Are spending a lot of money.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
But if you're also the new owner, you know, Walston
is defined by winning championships.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
So if you're gonna be the new owner.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
You're gonna buy the Celtics, you better be willing to
spend the money when they have a championship team. I
think at least of this year, I think Janlen Brown,
I think Jaylen Brown is still be on the team.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
All right, great stuff, man, let's talk again as the
NBA Finals get ready to tip off. Of the meantime,
appreciate your work. Oh hey, I forgot to you run
some of those at the end of the Around the
Horn era of shows. Yeah, were you on the first
Round the Horn?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
No, No, I came.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
I was actually the first New York based reporter that
they had on the show. So I think I mean
I made Mind a debut in twelve I think it
was September of twenty twelve, So I made it for
about thirteen years. I was like the first New York
based reporter that they held. I ended up being on
the last show, so that you know, there weren't we
had They had eight of us on the show, so
(30:18):
I guess when all things ended, I was like the
eighth longest tenured pals. But then again that's not true
too becau Zachly mcmullum was gone. They brought some people back,
but they Yeah, they were really nice to get the
people over there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, I was. It ended up being a cool show.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
It just.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You know, there were people that separated themselves. Was there
ever a what's the most interesting moment you can recall
that people didn't see on air? Oh?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
There was.
Speaker 7 (30:47):
There was a lot of stuff, and you know, like
the debate got really intense, you know, I would say
during Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Obviously there was a lot of intensive I always say
this though.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
One of the best ones we had was, you know,
after the US women beat Thailand and soccer thirteen nothing. Yeah,
And I remember that I didn't care about the goals
because you know, they do count go differential at some
point in the tournament. I just I thought it was
out of line that the celebrations were over the top
for like goals nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. So I
(31:17):
was really critical of that. So I think Sarah Spain
was a panel so she.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
And I were going back and forth that.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
But I was also thinking, this is what women's sports needs.
You need like actual sports debates as opposed to just
he isn't great that women are participating. And obviously Caitlin
Clark brought that in with the WNBA because on our show,
we you know, last year there was a lot of
good stuff because you had the Olympics, you know, the
men's basketball and obviously US Serbia semifinal was awesome.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
But you know, we talked a lot.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
About Caitlin Clark. She was just a compelling figure. It's
not something that we had to force, as you know,
people just wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, no, I agree. It was the first time I've
been doing this, you know, over twenty years, and we
talked about all the time. It's the first time we've
ever had not had to force it and talk women's
women's sports and people it's interesting topics. Hey, Frank, great stuff.
Thank you so much for joining us. Let's talk in soon.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
Hey, keep up the great work, Doug. I'll talk to you.
Speaker 8 (32:09):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 2 (32:17):
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Speaker 8 (32:43):
This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
All right, what you got there?
Speaker 10 (32:55):
Months Well, it's the game we play when I'm here.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
See all right, that's right.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Do we want to say where this came from? Producer Jason.
It's something we got from Antonio Brown.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Right. In fact, I saw something hit my algorithm this
past weekend. I shared it with you all. It's somebody
reposted the Antonio Brown Tyreek Hill conversation. It's fascinating. I
encourage everyone to find it. And Antonio Brown's like, hey man,
we're gonna do this thing. It's called is he alright?
I'm just gonna list a bunch of guys. You tell
me if he's I.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Is he all right? Is he I?
Speaker 10 (33:31):
So we're gonna give you a couple of names, your coach,
and you're gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Tell us is he all right?
Speaker 5 (33:36):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
All right?
Speaker 10 (33:37):
So let's start it off here Stefan Diggs. As you
can see, there's a video, viral video.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
I'm sure you've seen it.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Coach.
Speaker 10 (33:45):
He's on the bow, he's got some girls around him,
some other stuff. So Stefan Diggs, is he all right?
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Uh? Yeah? Is he? I?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
No, he's not all right. Like listen, there's a multi
multitude of dumb things here, arrogant things here. Okay again,
And it wasn't until before the show that Sam informed
me what the pin pink cocaine doesn't necessarily contain cocaine,
and apparently it has a lot of ketamine in it. Again,
(34:25):
when I have when I have drug questions, I go
directly to Sam.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
It's a drug cocktail. You don't know what you're getting, right,
It's a it's like it's it's a trendy. I don't
want to call it trendy. It's a popular item right.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Now, trendy. Yes, it's like, don't don't.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
Even try it people, because it's it could kill you.
I think the word you're looking for is designer. It's
like a design that one.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
But it's not like pure.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
It's like it's like you're getting something different every time.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I don't know, man, I'll take it from here. Whenever
I go for drug information, I go to Sam. Don't
try it because because he is our drug expert anyway,
But again, what is the dumber decision? Uh, bringing enough
pink cocaine for women to go and get high? I
(35:14):
think that's probably third on the list, right because guys
were like, yeah, as long as you didn't bring it
for yourself, although why would you bring it unless it
was for your own use?
Speaker 9 (35:21):
Fair?
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Secondly, Cardi B is his girlfriend. She's apparently on the
boat and he's clearly hitting on three chicks. But the
third part is the real stupidest part. You clearly know
you're being filmed. Yeah, why would you do this when
you're being filmed?
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Is this like? So no, he's not?
Speaker 5 (35:40):
I Oh, is this like Odell Beckham two point zero?
Here with the picture with the worse it's worse.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Because the Odell Beckham thing it was in the in
the shot of him with some un named woman. Yeah,
this one, he actually has it and he's giving it
to the girls. Yes, and they're not his girlfriend.
Speaker 10 (35:56):
And there's there's a lot of different videos of different angles.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
You know, of the event.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
It's gonna be a problem here.
Speaker 10 (36:02):
A little bit, a little bit, all.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Right until left back until left moving on here.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Coach TJ.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
McConnell, who I swear feels like he never misses coming
off the bench for the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Is he all right? Uh, He's more than all right,
He's all right. He's one of those guys. He's the
ultimate pro. He only does what he you know, he
doesn't shoot threes, He only shoots those MIDI pull ups
or guess they're in for lambs, plays super hard automatic. Yeah,
he's like he's one of those glue guys. Yeah he's there, Caruso,
no question.
Speaker 10 (36:34):
Is yeah, No, he's I swear feels like he never misses.
He's just automatic. All right, let's move on here. Coach
Tyreek Hill, who just you know, saying things online about
this upcoming season and how he needs to earn to
be a captain again. Is Tyreek kill is all right?
Speaker 6 (36:55):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, I mean he's Tyreek Hill. This this tracks, this
tracks for him. All he's all right, sure, he's all right,
he's all right.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Is that game time?
Speaker 4 (37:09):
We got time for one more?
Speaker 9 (37:11):
Now we got more more?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Okay, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 10 (37:13):
Aaron Rodgers coach, still hasn't signed.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
Is see all right?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
He's all right man, Hell, he's all right. Amen. Right,
I'm just chilling man. We'll talk to Maaron Rodgers next hour,
and that is game time.
Speaker 8 (37:29):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so coming up next on the show, we'll get you
to the mid midway, including inside the NBA, not going away,
but going off TNT
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