November 2, 2021 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the tragic news involving Raiders receiver Henry Ruggs and the death of a passenger in a car wreck while Ruggs was allegedly driving under the influence. Doug says that Ruggs, by most accounts, is a good person who seemingly made an awful decision and might never be able to play again. Odell Beckham Jr. obviously wants out of Cleveland as his father released an 11-minute video of Baker Mayfield not connecting with OBJ on the field, but Doug says he is not going anywhere and now exactly what does he do as a member of the Browns and a teammate with Mayfield? Former NFL quarterback Sage Rosenfels joins Doug to break down the quarterback play around the NFL coming out of Week 8 of the season. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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to this point nothing much has happened. UM there is
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tragic news in the NFL Henry Ruggs, who's a super
talented young wide receiver the Las Vegas Raiders. Raiders are
on their bye week. At around three thirty this morning,
there was a car crash in Vegas and he's as
non light threatening injuries. The car that he was in
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an accident with and there have been no details given
as to who's at fault, but he has been charged
with DUI which resulted in a in the death of
the other driver. UM. I reached out to Director of
Playsure Personnel two g MS three scouts. I asked just
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was there any were there any red flags with Henry Ruggs.
I mean, I'm not gonna show you my text messages,
but all said essentially, no, none of it. The The
only thing was he did come from a tough upbringing,
and he was the kind of kid who let others
hang around that he didn't need to have hang around anymore.
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That said, no one could have seen this coming. And
I guess that there's a there's a lot of questions
out there, um, and you know, you have David Carr
tweeting about how Derek Carr his brother. I mean, if
he's not the m v P, and people are saying, well,
too too soon. I don't know if it's too soon.
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I think Derek Carr is very well equipped. I don't
think David needed to tweet it. I think we all
understand the leadership he has to show. Is coach got fired.
Right now, his wide receiver is in jail and he
won't play maybe ever again. I mean, there's some they
got some stuff working in Vegas and it's it's terrible
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because I mean, look, somebody lost their life, that's the
first thing. And and what happens is we do have
a tendency to start skipping steps and not being nearly,
uh nearly as as thoughtful and as sensitive as we
should be in this moment. Right, we're sports show. We
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talk about sports. We don't talk about a d u
I and somebody dying and what that means. But I
want you to think about it like one somebody lost
a child, brother, sister. I don't know the name of
the victim, hasn't been hasn't been released. I thenk you
have a city of Las Vegas, who is you know,
bent over back where has done anything possible to get
the Raiders. You know they're basically playing no taxes at all,
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embraces them, and you know this is not something you
could have seen coming because as I pointed out, there
were no red flags on Henry Roux, he didn't have
previous du wise, there's nothing that was hidden at Alabama.
Nick Staveen loved love coaching this kid. But I mean
there's a bitter taste in your mouth when the Raiders
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come to town and this is their second year and
you have a d u I and it's a Raider
behind the wheel, and and we're in two thousand twenty one.
It's so incredibly preventable, whether you do lift or uber
and I know there's other devices, like you're an NFL player,
if it's about the car Uber Black, come, come get
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your own, get your Corvette tomorrow. And these are lessons
that everyone now, I guess, has to learn, right, like
when we were kids. When I was a kid, I
learned don't do drugs from Lenn Biastein. I learned about
HIV from Magic Johnson, A right, I mean I didn't
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know anything about it, you know. I remember the day
that that remember, I mean I was that that is
thirty years ago, thirty years ago, right about now, right
before the season started, Magic Johnson announcing at HIV. And
I remember clear as day, my my coach, Tom McCluskey
at Tustin High School calling us all in and we're
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all crying. We're all crying like Magic Johnson's gonna and
he's like, look, Mann, Johnson's probably gonna die from this thing.
You guys have to understand, like if you're gonna do
adult things, there's adult ramifications for it. I mean I
learned about it then when we should know about d U,
I we should know about I mean, it's so like
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now there's just you're in Vegas between taxis and ubers
and lips, and it's just so easy, right, and we
act like it's annoying that we have to throw on
a mask, like, dude, they're literally saving your life in
somebody else's life. But but here's the question, Okay, this,
and this is an honest question I have, which I've
thrown out to some of my friends. I don't think
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he'll ever play football again. I don't. I'm not gonna
sit here and tell you I'm the moral police and
what should and shouldn't happen. I understand that he'll go
through a person rehabit. I don't know what the right
answer is. This is just it's kind of a raw
discussion that I think this is really what sports radio
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should be about. Sometimes it's about other stuff. Sometimes it's
about goofing on you know, Ramos for some of the
funny things that that he likes to say, or goofing
on me for mistakes that I've made. I'm him all
the time. I say dumb stuff, you know, goofing on
Buyer because he knows chapter and verse of every guy
on Fantasy, like literally every plo. Yeah, I know him,
and here's who you should get who. But he can't
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doesn't know a movie. I can't quote a movie, which
he's like, but you can quote every TV show I
don't like. That's sometimes fun, but sometimes it's just about
having a discussion about life and second chances. And we
are a country of second chances. But are there things
that you you give away the right to do based
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upon your actions? Mike Vick got a second chance. He
murdered dogs. Mike Vick has become more than just a
um a good member of society, like he's as respected
a guy now in the NFL as there is is
a former player. He's seen the darkness. He went to prison,
and rug is gonna go jail. He's gonna go to jail,
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and he should go to jail. I guess the questions
should he ever play football again? You know? And and
right you put it in the context of he's gonna
go to jail, He's gonna have to go to some
form of rehab. He's you know, but but is that enough?
And I what I what I think happens. This is
my honest of all. This is my honest, raw just
opinion that you know, oftentimes we talk things out, right,
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things out and try and figure out where we want
to go with it. My my honest feeling is that
whether or not he should or should not ever play again.
He's gonna pay for the sins of the past. In
the NFL, there's a I believe it was Leonard Little.
Is that the name that I'm thinking of? Dan Buyer.
Leonard Little was a I think a linebacker for St.
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Baris Rams and he killed somebody in the d u I,
and um he came back and he played. And that's
always a name that people rightfully point to as like,
how can this guy be out in the football field
when he killed somebody in the d u I. He
was suspended eight games in um Or in the late
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nineties in that in that incident. So I missed the
first half of the season. Uh. I don't know if
he served jail time. UM, I know Dante Stalworth did.
In two thousand nine. Stalworth was suspended for the entire season. Yeah,
And I remember that Dante Stalworth one was down in Miami,
I believe. And it was a guy who ran across
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the road, Yes, right, ran across the road. And Dante
technically wasn't at fault because he, you know, the guy
just like darted out and tried it was and some
people thought he wanted a guy wanted to get hit
by a car. I'm what I'm remembering. Trying to catch
a bus was the Yeah, it was the story. He
was trying to catch a bus and Dante didn't see him,
but when he when the cops, and the cops found
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I think there was a bunch of stuff in the system, right,
I think there's weeding and booze in the system. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's uh you know b a c was over the
legal limit. Um, yeah, at the time of the accident.
Does it matter to you, Dan, what the what the
the d U? I is right, Like, if it's a
point no one too, or if it's point to two,
doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter if yeah, if it's that,
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or if it's drugs versus alcohol, Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Do you think he should never play football again? Um?
I think he will play football again. I I just
from the president that we have seen, plus Henry Young's
is Henry Ruggs is pretty young in terms of his
NFL career. Um, doesn't seem like there are serious injuries.
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He had non life threatening injuries that he suffered. So
I don't know. If I don't think that health is
going to be a factor. I think that he will
play in the NFL again. What do you think, ja do?
It's so hard to to gauge these things under this
like new uh new uh, you know the way that
the NFL is working now, Um, every they're under a
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larger microscope than ever before with with this punishment stuff.
But I kind of agree with Dan and that there
has been a press sent He's young enough. He won't
play it for a long time, I don't think. But
I think he probably makes it back onto the field
his wife, as he knows, it will never be the same. Um,
But yeah, I think he plays again. But what what
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a what an awful tragedy for them, the family. That's
that's the thing, right, Like we we know that tragedies
happen and mistakes happen, and and think things that you
know where you're just like, but but this is as
a prevent There's no way you can argue that in
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a major American city in two thousand one, there weren't
a multitude of options to get a ride, and in
Las Vegas, Nevada, I got there. There's zero excuses for it. Now,
I also believe, and this is my honest belief, that
whatever the judicial system, whatever the judicial system decides is
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in fact the law that is the punishment. And this
is where I struggle is are we doing the the
the what's it called? Is it double jeopardy? What is it?
What is the term for when you you can't be
tried for the same crime twice? That's the case. Yeah,
it's it does feel a little bit like we are
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like society wants double jeopardy, Like, oh, well, he goes
to jail for six months. Oh yeah, well guess what
he should be out of the league for two years, Like,
I mean he went to jail, he lost every he'll
lose everything, you know. I just I don't know what's
fair and what's right, you know, I I there's lots
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of things you would say, like is there you know
what you should do is serve your time, get your
life together, and then figure out a way in which
you know, every game, every day you recognize the life
that is lost, Like that's a that's a possibility. I
just I don't know what's what the right thing is,
like what's enough? And that This is a little bit
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like very different, but a little bit like what we
talked about last week with Dan Sneider, which is look
a punishment has to be decided. He deserves to be punished, um,
And I do, and I don't necessarily I don't totally
believe in that how you punish him is going to change.
What is it called when you um, when when the
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people believe that the punishment will keep others from committing
the same crime, Right, it's like the reason we have
the death penalty. Yeah, it's a deterrent. Thank you, Thank you,
John Romins. I don't necessarily believe that. Like, I don't
think the death penalty is a deterrent. I don't think
there's anybody who's thinking about killing somebody who like that
portion of your brain is working so poorly that you
think you can kill somebody that you're thinking logically enough
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to go, well, I'd want to do this, But I
could go to jail for the rest of my life,
or I could I serve the death pe Like, I
don't believe that, but I do believe that it's a
proper punishment for some crimes that are committed. I don't
believe the death only is that the turn. I do
believe in the death ponties a punishment that Again, this
is Doug Gottliebink This is why this is not the
feelings of anybody else in the show or anybody else
that's got what we're allowed to do here. I've told
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you guys a long time ago, I'm a radical centrist.
You think you know my ideas, you don't, and you
don't have to agree with them. It doesn't bother me.
Like Dan's beliefs or Isaac Loan Cran's beliefs or Jayson
don't this guy should go to jail. I don't. I
don't know if he should ever play football again. And
I don't know where we are in society. You know,
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we we cancel people for far lesser crimes. We cancel
people for things that they tweet, things that they say,
things that they put in emails. Now, obviously he didn't
mean to do this, But if you're as as as
we've all been told when we saw red red asphalt
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when we were kids, you guys, remember that terrible gosh
they used to show us that in like middle high school.
I saw that and it was just like, man, I'm
never drinking and driving like that's that's terror. But as
we've seen, like you're you're driving around a loaded gun
and just because you got home doesn't make it okay,
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And I just I wonder where we are in society
and where we should go and how we This is
an incredibly preventable tragedy, and Henry Ruggs, by all accounts,
is a good person, and he did something really awful
and someone else who was an innocent victim lost their
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life last night. And I don't know what that means
for his future. And obviously it's not you know, in
the short term, you have a you have a mourning
family or families that are involved in this crash, plus
you have what's gonna happen to him. But I do
think it's an interesting snapshot of are we going to
make Henry Ruggs not only pay for his crime, but
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pay for the crimes of the NFL and the past past.
Remember this is a key thing to remember in the
Ray Rice Even when Ray Rice was suspended for two
games initially for the domestic abuse charge which never went
to trial, do you remember that? Did you know that
was actually the longest suspension ever for anyone with domestic
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violence in the National Football League? And of course then
the commissioner tried to put it at six and then
he was at the League, and that that was like
a decade ago. What happens now? It's fascinating. Are we
still a country of second chances? Does it matter how
he rehabilitates himself? Is it double jeopardy if he gets
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suspended for however? Long after he goes to jail? And
what what now of the Raiders? You know, I mean,
this is a team, their coaches fired, and they they
seemed to bound together and play well. Now they go
into a bye week and now one of their teammates killed. Somebody,
a human being is going to jail Like it's just
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so much bigger than actual football and so incredibly tragic.
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app Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. So Odell Beckham Sr.
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Early Tuesday morning posted an eleven minute video verified on
his verified Instagram account, highlighting the Browns missed opportunities week
three through six when O b J was open. Later Tuesday,
Lakers Lebron James showed support of Odell Beckham Jr. Tweeting,
O b J will show again. Why he's special wide receiver.
One hashtag free o b J. I heard calling Coward
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earlier today say Odell Beckham Jr. Has been a good soldier.
One was that how did I did I miss that time?
When did? When did that happen? When? Tell me when
it happened? Because what I remember is he didn't want
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to go to Cleveland. He didn't show up for O
T A s um he quite obviously, and you know
he's hurt last year. And yeah, I mean there's times
in when he was open and he didn't get the ball.
I noticed when I watched the I G Live that
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there were also no clips of when Odell Beckham Jr.
Didn't run hard or when he dropped the football. And
and none of this happens or is posted without Odell
Beckham Jr. Saying it's okay, all right. People don't speak
for you and say you need a chance and an
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opportunity unless you said it was okay. They don't just
voluntarily do that. Your dad doesn't just voluntarily post some
video and you had no idea. If you did, then
you called him as soon as you posted and go
like dad, you gotta take that down. He did not
the same thing is when Lebron had a coach fired.
I had nothing to do with it. You know what,
if you wanted to stop it, You're Lebron James, you
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could stop it. It's the same thing here, same exact thing.
So I just I look at this deal and I
and I say to myself, like Odell Beckham Jr. Is
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a royal pain in the ass. He has never been
worth the hassle. He was a super talented wide receiver
early in his career, but it was always about Odell
Beckham Jr. And when he didn't show up for O
t as. Remember if you go back and remember when
he was with the Giants, they gave him a huge
contract extension and he promised them that he would change,
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and then there was the video of him in a
hotel with cocaine somewhere in the hotel room right, and
then he was the perfect soldier for three months. He
fooled uh, the owner of the Giants. They give him
the contract extension, and he complained and then he got
hurt and then he never played for the Giants again.
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That's how I remember it, I don't, I mean, Lebron
doesn't know. And the dad is the dad, So I
don't blame him, but the reality is, like the Browns
haven't gotten much for him out of him, but just
giving him away. I know Michael Lombardi, who of course
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has been a GM in the NFL. He tweeted out
earlier that the Browns just need to move on from
Odell Beckham Jr. They people who cover the team say
they have not engaged in any trade discussions because there's
been nothing of substance to come their way. One, I'm
not how many people actually want him? And two can
we stop this? He's been a good soldier thing. And
then three, I do think if you have any chance
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of getting anything out of him, it's right now because
you can go to odeb back when you're gonna go like, look,
we would have moved you, but nobody really wanted you.
So you got half a season left. We should be
a playoff team. Show the league put on tape what
you have, because right now, what you have on tape,
you ain't getting a big contract next year, no matter
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how many good catches you had your first four years.
I actually think holding onto him is the best possible option.
Doug otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Sage Rosenfels
joins this former NFL quarterback, twelve year vett in the
National Football League and um um, there's nowhere really to go.
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That's positive. With the Henry Ruggs thing, I just I
do wonder have you ever been part of a team
where there was some sort of tragedy where a guy
in the team got into the serious trouble and you know,
you come back to work and you've got to kind
of figure out how to pick up the pieces. Looking back,
I don't think so. I mean definitely where guys got
maybe a d u I or arrested. You know, I
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played Miami for four years, so you're you're going to
have incidents, but nothing as tragic as this situation. And uh,
we we've seen it in the in the history of
the National Football League. It seems like every so many years,
every five years, every ten years, there's some sort of
tragedy like this. And I don't know any of the details.
I did see that sort of go across the screen
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earlier today. Uh sounds like an awful incident, and obviously
we will collect information as it goes, but never nothing
this tragic ever happened during my time in the locker
room in the NFL. Stull gotlib show here on Fox
Sport trailer. Let's let's get back on the field. What
do you think about homes performance last night? I think
it's sort of has it's it was as it's been
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a lot of the year. You know, I felt like
a guy who is trying to do a lot. He's
trying to sort of do too much. His defense is
ranked near the bottom in the National Football League and
all sorts of categories, So naturally, on the other side
of the football, you're gonna know you're gonna have to
be in this sort of fast break style offense to
keep up with your defense. And a lot of games
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and and so I feel like Pat Mahomes is probably
trying to do too much. He's holding on with the football. Uh,
they're in shotgun a lot. They're not there. They ran
the football okay last night, but not your traditional runs.
They don't do much play actions. So it's a lot
of it's a lot of a pressure on Pat Mahomes
and defense are doing a great job of slowing down
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the can State Chiefs. You're not seeing those home run
balls by by Tyreek Hill. You're not seeing the long
catching runs by Travis Kelsey. They are sort of keeping
the team in a sort of bend do break style
of defense, and it's you know, it's forcing Kansas City
to methodically work their way down the field and they
haven't had to do that or they haven't done that,
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uh in their time. With Patrick Homes as the quarterback,
they're a quick strike type of team and he's run
around making plays and it looks like to me, he's
just trying to do too much. And that's natural. I mean, Doug,
your basketball guy or Jordan's back in the day, in
his early days, he was always trying to do too much.
He was trying to score thirty five, three or six
thirty seven points the game because he didn't have that
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team around him, didn't have much defense around him either,
so he was sort of trying to outscore the other
team by himself. And I sure, I feel like Pat
Mahomes is trying to do that too. Sure trying to
do feels like almost too much, which is why he
has the most interceptions of his career so far, only
halfway through the season. Doug Gottlib show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um Odell Beckham Jr's dad post a video. Hey,
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look at all these times he's open. He didn't get
the football. Browns are going to trade him? What do
you think of Odell Beckham Jr. The player in two
thousand twenty one. Odell Beckham as we know we knew
him is not the Odell Beckham that he is today.
And that's just a fact. He's not as fast. Uh,
he's not as a loose of he's not as good
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as run after catch. Uh. If you look at this,
just breaking down to straight stats. For whatever reason, when
Baker Mayfield throws him the football, there's a lot of
interceptions that occur. I mean a couple of years ago
he threw and and uh an eight of them. Um, sorry,
none of them were thrown to oh b J when
he was sort in his direction. Uh. You know, on
that style of offense, when you run the ball with
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two really good running backs. He got a good tight end.
Of course he got Jarvis Landry. There's only so many
places to go with the football, and uh, Odell Beckham
has to be sort of the big play guy. You
have to have somebody, especially on those play actions and
boo legs, to start to take the top off the coverage.
Get those safeties deep and so a lot of times
he's just not open, and so obviously Baker's going to
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other other places with the ball. I did see a
play at the end of that game, and there was
a little play action. It was right down the middle.
Odell had a post right down the middle, and he
put up one hand, tried one of his one hand catches.
If he makes the hatch, it's a good chance Cleveland
wins bat football game. But he puts up one hand
like we've all seen him do that before, ends up
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going incomplete. And it sort of made me feel, you know,
if I was a quarterback and it's and this is
not first quarter or first half, this is fend of
the fourth quarter as we're trying to win this thing,
and he puts up one hand to sure to catch
that ball short the old alligator arms as they say. So,
I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes
BEI between Bobi j and Baker. I'm a big believer
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in Kevin Stefansky to try to, uh the psychologically bring
the whole thing together. But just right off the bat,
Odell Beckham is not physically the same guy he was
with the New York Giants. That's the fact if you
go to all the pro football focused stuff, he was
always above eighty when when he was with the Giants.
He hasn't reached sevent before yet as far as his grades, um,
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since he's been with the Cleveland Browns, and so he's
just simply not the player he was before. No matter
how many media people think he's still a great player,
He's just not the player he was before. Doug Otlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio stage, Rosenville is our guest.
He breaks down all the take twelve yr NFL VET
a quarterback. Um, okay, so help me out with the Chargers. Uh,
they just got their asses kicked by the Baltimore Ravens.
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Right that that that happened. But but the Patriots loss
was different. Uh. There were several drops on third down,
which are that's a turnover? Right? You had two interceptions,
one Jared Cook's not looking the other one Austin Ekeler
went through his hands. It wasn't the perfect pass, but
what did go through his hands and into defender's hands.
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What do you make of the chargers sudden struggles, especially
with with with Herbert turning the football over? Well, A
lot of think it's a long season and you're gonna
have sort of ebbs and flows, and you know this
is not a dominant football team. They definitely had their
issues defensively, and so you know they're just not a
dominant team. So you know offensively they're gonna have some
games they don't play as well. Obviously Baltimore, man, they
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ran to a buzz stall. I'll tell you what that
would you go play Bill Belichick team when you're a
quarterback and Herbert is still a very young guy, there's
just an uneasiness there when you go, especially you go
up to New England or wherever you play. When you
play a Bill Belichick team, there's like an uneasiness because
you just know he has certain sort of tricks up
his sleeve, and he's such an identifyer of what is
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the other team good at, what is justin Herbert good at?
And also like what does he not like? What gives
him some struggles? The protection that certain types of coverages, uh,
is it vary sublitzes or looks that he can give them.
That makes him just a little bit uneasy in that pocket.
So he's not as accurate and he's not sort of
commanding of the position, and I feel like that's what
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he sort of ran into in New England's good defense
up there. Uh, Mayo matting mac Jones a good quarterback,
and I think what they ran into a game where
and of course they just got destroyed by Baltimore the
week before that. I think, you know, they're just sort
of in one of those swoons. And I feel very
competent with Herberton that coaching staff that they will work
their way out of it. But it's not a surprise
to young. I mean Tom Brady went up to New
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England was at about a month ago, and I think
he was like two or forty three. It was my
key through per cent. So there's something about playing against
Bill Belichick that can be really hard for an over quarterback. Uh,
and very much for a younger guy in a second
year stud gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
there's so many things I want to get to with you. Stage.
(29:23):
Rosen Hills is our guest, of course, breaks down tape
on every NFL game. Um, how do you think Justin
Fields played Sunday? So he played pretty good? You know,
I do a Chicago Bears radio show every Tuesday, so
I rewatched the film film if I didn't see it
on on Sunday, and they are finally using him the
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way he should be used. There they run the ball
pretty well when he's understand and then a lot of
bootlegs and a lot of play action, and when he
is dropping back, he is so accurate on the outside routes,
you know, those fifteen yard comeback routes. Uh, that's where
he is. He never missed his balls, like right in
the chest the receivers. He throws on time. So I
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think they're trying to sort of figure out what they
have with him as far as not just his physical capabilities,
but mentally as a rookie. You have to protect rookie.
I don't I don't care if there are a four
point oh student. Uh, you know, coming out of Harvard,
when you get to the NFL, there's just so much information.
So what they were doing before was man. There was
a lot of a lot of empty a lot of
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shotgun teams bringing blizzes from different sides. You can tell
he's you can tell he's thinking as he's playing, trying
to figure out protections and where he should go with
the football. It's just a lot for a young guy
to be in shotgun being empty and they were with
they were they were that style of offense way too
much Earli in the year. I do feel like they
are finally start to figure out what's the best way
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for Justin fields to be effective. And I thought he
played really well in this game, and he had about
you know, three or four runs. Of course, the highlight
touchdown run on the fourth and one, which end up
being a terrible call. Defense Spend was right up the field,
right in his face. He makes him miss cuts the
ball back and runs for about thirties or so yards
for a touchdown. I mean he has physical capabilities sort
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of in a sense of running the ball Michael Vick wise,
and he's got a great arm, so he misses some
throws here and there. He met two or three shrows
in this game that occasionally have a ball sail on him.
But I really do like him. I don't know, I'm
not sure if this coaching staff in particular offensively will
be here in the future, but I do like him
as a quarterback. He just has to have the right
offense form that really maximizes his strength and as a
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rookie minimize as those weaknesses, which for any rookie is
going to be protections and the complexity of the game
still gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio really quickly
sage what do the Saints do to Tom Brady that
others do not. Sometimes I wonder if it's actually Sean Payton.
I know Sean's like an offensive guy, but sometimes offensive
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guys watch other quarterbacks and they sort of over time
figure out what they're good at. Because I mean, Sean
Payton has watched Tom Brady for twenty plus years too,
and all this, and you just watched his style of
offense and knows he wants to get the ball out,
knows he's now the guy who hangs onto it usually
for four or five seconds, and was trying to throw
the ball down the field. And and I think also
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probably just playing in New Orleans is not easy. That's
that is a tough place to play. So I think
some of it just has to do with Sean Payton
has seen what what tom Bertie has done over all
his career, and what are the throws that he really
likes and and what sort of makes that team struggle
a little bit. And and obviously you know on the
interceptions for the game winner in that game. We have
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seen Tom hit Gronk or various receivers for two decades
now on the on that d crossing route, it's about
a fifteen yard route versus outside leverage man the man.
It's great because the receiver's inside the secondary player and
you had a safety step up right in front of it,
and you don't see that very often. But my guess
is that he had a little extra information that you know,
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Tom is not to hang out of the football. If
we played man the Man, which a lot of teams
play Man the man who sus Brady that that is
the throw that he loves, and the safety stuffed up
right in front and made the play of that game.
So I think it has a lot lots to do
the fact that Sean Payton knows quarterbacks really well, and
of course playing in that dome is is nearly impossible.
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on the Doug Gottlieb Show. All right, Dan, a new
style of doing the show. We're doing rank them today.
As I've heard I heard from a little bird. What
is the game? Yeah, there it is, Doug Rank. What
you think the top four will be in tonight's first
college football playoff rankings of the season. Uh. I wrote
this down actually because I knew this question was coming.
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So I believe the first what they don't want to
do is they don't want to they hate the idea
of president right moving teams up and down. Um, I
believe number one will be Georgia. That's a big thing, right, everybody. Wow,
that's very surprising, Doug, way to go. I had no
idea Georgia would be number one, But Georgia will be
your number one team in the country. Okay. After that,
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now is when it starts to get interesting, right, who
do you put at at number two? Uh, Cincinnati's number
two in both polls. I believe that Oklahoma and Michigan
State will both be ranked ahead of Cincinnati, though Cincinnati
has a bigger road win over not tre Dame, who's
a top ten team, and Michigan State has a home
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win over Michigan. But I think it's gonna be Georgia,
then Michigan State, then Oklahoma, then Cincinnati, then Oregon, then
Ohio State. So that's how I think it about Noil
Obama and that I mean, sorry, I'm sorry about Alabama's
the first. Yeah, okay, Ohio State seven, thank you for
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catching that. Yeah. They ranked the teams in the a
f C North. You've got Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Cincinnati
not in that order of the standings right now, Bronze
are actually in the last place in the division. Who's
the best teams in the a f C North's interesting question,
right because here you have the Ravens, who you know
they had that run there where they're playing so well. Um,
(35:54):
but they lost the Raiders. Okay, it's first game you
lost to the Bengals. They have the Vikings, the Dolphins,
the Bears, and then the Rounds. I think the Ravens
are the I don't know if they're actually the best team,
but they're gonna end up in first place because they
got a soft spot in their schedule. So I'll go
be more one. Uh. I'm gonna put the Bengals at
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two and the Steelers at three, and so the exact
same place the standings are now. Is how I think
of them as teams. I think I know Cleveland's talent,
I know they're injured, but I just think they're they're
a mess. And their next two next, next uh four games,
three of them are on the road against play well.
I don't know if Patriots a playoff team, but the
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Bengals the Patriots lines at home and then at the
Ravens and the Ravens at home. Like that is not
a good schedule for a team that is really struggling
with their chemistry and with their health. I think the
Browns are gonna finish in the last place. Doug reag
your top three options at quarterback right now for the
New Orleans Saints. And I'll I'll give you four options.
Trevor Simeon, who filled in. Then you have Teasom Hill
could be coming back from as king cushion. Philip Rivers
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name has been brought up. Is the only time says
that Philip would listen if the Saints gave him McCall
or other. The the ever popular other as options for
the Saints. Other. Uh, I'm gonna go Taysom Hill one,
Trevor Simeon too, ah, Philip Rivers three, others four. Okay,
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so Rivers does beat out other? Another means other means
Cam Newton right, People like Google could be a lot
of different guys. Doug, rank your top three favorite New
York Giants this on the heels of the Giants playing
last night. Favorite New York Giants. UM. Three is Mark
Bavarro could call I love Mark Vavarro. Two is Joe Morris.
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Actually too is Phil Sims because Phil is like the
greatest guy to me ever, He's been so kind to me.
Then shouldn't be number one? No, because Lawrence Lawrence tellers
the greatest giant ever. This is game time on the
duck Gotlieb Show. So we're, uh, what three days away
(38:07):
from going to the Breeders Cup. I have no I
have no my expectations are I don't have any expectations.
So yeah, that one's that one's hard. One's difficult to
know what if that's going to be. Like Alright, coming
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to this point nothing much has happened. UM there is
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tragic news in the NFL Henry Ruggs, who's a super
talented young wide receiver the Las Vegas Raiders. Raiders are
on their bye week. At around three thirty this morning,
there was a car crash in Vegas and he's as
non light threatening injuries. The car that he was in
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an accident with and there have been no details given
as to who's at fault, but he has been charged
with DUI which resulted in a in the death of
the other driver. UM. I reached out to Director of
Playsure Personnel two g MS three scouts. I asked just
(02:21):
was there any were there any red flags with Henry Ruggs.
I mean, I'm not gonna show you my text messages,
but all said essentially, no, none of it. The The
only thing was he did come from a tough upbringing,
and he was the kind of kid who let others
hang around that he didn't need to have hang around anymore.
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That said, no one could have seen this coming. And
I guess that there's a there's a lot of questions
out there, um, and you know, you have David Carr
tweeting about how Derek Carr his brother. I mean, if
he's not the m v P, and people are saying, well,
too too soon. I don't know if it's too soon.
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I think Derek Carr is very well equipped. I don't
think David needed to tweet it. I think we all
understand the leadership he has to show. Is coach got fired.
Right now, his wide receiver is in jail and he
won't play maybe ever again. I mean, there's some they
got some stuff working in Vegas and it's it's terrible
(03:31):
because I mean, look, somebody lost their life, that's the
first thing. And and what happens is we do have
a tendency to start skipping steps and not being nearly,
uh nearly as as thoughtful and as sensitive as we
should be in this moment. Right, we're sports show. We
(03:53):
talk about sports. We don't talk about a d u
I and somebody dying and what that means. But I
want you to think about it like one somebody lost
a child, brother, sister. I don't know the name of
the victim, hasn't been hasn't been released. I thenk you
have a city of Las Vegas, who is you know,
bent over back where has done anything possible to get
the Raiders. You know they're basically playing no taxes at all,
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embraces them, and you know this is not something you
could have seen coming because as I pointed out, there
were no red flags on Henry Roux, he didn't have
previous du wise, there's nothing that was hidden at Alabama.
Nick Staveen loved love coaching this kid. But I mean
there's a bitter taste in your mouth when the Raiders
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come to town and this is their second year and
you have a d u I and it's a Raider
behind the wheel, and and we're in two thousand twenty one.
It's so incredibly preventable, whether you do lift or uber
and I know there's other devices, like you're an NFL player,
if it's about the car Uber Black, come, come get
(05:00):
your own, get your Corvette tomorrow. And these are lessons
that everyone now, I guess, has to learn, right, like
when we were kids. When I was a kid, I
learned don't do drugs from Lenn Biastein. I learned about
HIV from Magic Johnson, A right, I mean I didn't
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know anything about it, you know. I remember the day
that that remember, I mean I was that that is
thirty years ago, thirty years ago, right about now, right
before the season started, Magic Johnson announcing at HIV. And
I remember clear as day, my my coach, Tom McCluskey
at Tustin High School calling us all in and we're
(05:47):
all crying. We're all crying like Magic Johnson's gonna and
he's like, look, Mann, Johnson's probably gonna die from this thing.
You guys have to understand, like if you're gonna do
adult things, there's adult ramifications for it. I mean I
learned about it then when we should know about d U,
I we should know about I mean, it's so like
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now there's just you're in Vegas between taxis and ubers
and lips, and it's just so easy, right, and we
act like it's annoying that we have to throw on
a mask, like, dude, they're literally saving your life in
somebody else's life. But but here's the question, Okay, this,
and this is an honest question I have, which I've
thrown out to some of my friends. I don't think
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he'll ever play football again. I don't. I'm not gonna
sit here and tell you I'm the moral police and
what should and shouldn't happen. I understand that he'll go
through a person rehabit. I don't know what the right
answer is. This is just it's kind of a raw
discussion that I think this is really what sports radio
(06:50):
should be about. Sometimes it's about other stuff. Sometimes it's
about goofing on you know, Ramos for some of the
funny things that that he likes to say, or goofing
on me for mistakes that I've made. I'm him all
the time. I say dumb stuff, you know, goofing on
Buyer because he knows chapter and verse of every guy
on Fantasy, like literally every plo. Yeah, I know him,
and here's who you should get who. But he can't
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doesn't know a movie. I can't quote a movie, which
he's like, but you can quote every TV show I
don't like. That's sometimes fun, but sometimes it's just about
having a discussion about life and second chances. And we
are a country of second chances. But are there things
that you you give away the right to do based
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upon your actions? Mike Vick got a second chance. He
murdered dogs. Mike Vick has become more than just a
um a good member of society, like he's as respected
a guy now in the NFL as there is is
a former player. He's seen the darkness. He went to prison,
and rug is gonna go jail. He's gonna go to jail,
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and he should go to jail. I guess the questions
should he ever play football again? You know? And and
right you put it in the context of he's gonna
go to jail, He's gonna have to go to some
form of rehab. He's you know, but but is that enough?
And I what I what I think happens. This is
my honest of all. This is my honest, raw just
opinion that you know, oftentimes we talk things out, right,
(08:19):
things out and try and figure out where we want
to go with it. My my honest feeling is that
whether or not he should or should not ever play again.
He's gonna pay for the sins of the past. In
the NFL, there's a I believe it was Leonard Little.
Is that the name that I'm thinking of? Dan Buyer.
Leonard Little was a I think a linebacker for St.
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Baris Rams and he killed somebody in the d u I,
and um he came back and he played. And that's
always a name that people rightfully point to as like,
how can this guy be out in the football field
when he killed somebody in the d u I. He
was suspended eight games in um Or in the late
(09:01):
nineties in that in that incident. So I missed the
first half of the season. Uh. I don't know if
he served jail time. UM, I know Dante Stalworth did.
In two thousand nine. Stalworth was suspended for the entire season. Yeah,
And I remember that Dante Stalworth one was down in Miami,
I believe. And it was a guy who ran across
(09:23):
the road, Yes, right, ran across the road. And Dante
technically wasn't at fault because he, you know, the guy
just like darted out and tried it was and some
people thought he wanted a guy wanted to get hit
by a car. I'm what I'm remembering. Trying to catch
a bus was the Yeah, it was the story. He
was trying to catch a bus and Dante didn't see him,
but when he when the cops, and the cops found
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I think there was a bunch of stuff in the system, right,
I think there's weeding and booze in the system. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's uh you know b a c was over the
legal limit. Um, yeah, at the time of the accident.
Does it matter to you, Dan, what the what the
the d U? I is right, Like, if it's a
point no one too, or if it's point to two,
doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter if yeah, if it's that,
(10:08):
or if it's drugs versus alcohol, Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Do you think he should never play football again? Um?
I think he will play football again. I I just
from the president that we have seen, plus Henry Young's
is Henry Ruggs is pretty young in terms of his
NFL career. Um, doesn't seem like there are serious injuries.
(10:31):
He had non life threatening injuries that he suffered. So
I don't know. If I don't think that health is
going to be a factor. I think that he will
play in the NFL again. What do you think, ja do?
It's so hard to to gauge these things under this
like new uh new uh, you know the way that
the NFL is working now, Um, every they're under a
(10:53):
larger microscope than ever before with with this punishment stuff.
But I kind of agree with Dan and that there
has been a press sent He's young enough. He won't
play it for a long time, I don't think. But
I think he probably makes it back onto the field
his wife, as he knows, it will never be the same. Um,
But yeah, I think he plays again. But what what
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a what an awful tragedy for them, the family. That's
that's the thing, right, Like we we know that tragedies
happen and mistakes happen, and and think things that you
know where you're just like, but but this is as
a prevent There's no way you can argue that in
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a major American city in two thousand one, there weren't
a multitude of options to get a ride, and in
Las Vegas, Nevada, I got there. There's zero excuses for it. Now,
I also believe, and this is my honest belief, that
whatever the judicial system, whatever the judicial system decides is
(12:02):
in fact the law that is the punishment. And this
is where I struggle is are we doing the the
the what's it called? Is it double jeopardy? What is it?
What is the term for when you you can't be
tried for the same crime twice? That's the case. Yeah,
it's it does feel a little bit like we are
(12:22):
like society wants double jeopardy, Like, oh, well, he goes
to jail for six months. Oh yeah, well guess what
he should be out of the league for two years, Like,
I mean he went to jail, he lost every he'll
lose everything, you know. I just I don't know what's
fair and what's right, you know, I I there's lots
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of things you would say, like is there you know
what you should do is serve your time, get your
life together, and then figure out a way in which
you know, every game, every day you recognize the life
that is lost, Like that's a that's a possibility. I
just I don't know what's what the right thing is,
like what's enough? And that This is a little bit
(13:03):
like very different, but a little bit like what we
talked about last week with Dan Sneider, which is look
a punishment has to be decided. He deserves to be punished, um,
And I do, and I don't necessarily I don't totally
believe in that how you punish him is going to change.
What is it called when you um, when when the
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people believe that the punishment will keep others from committing
the same crime, Right, it's like the reason we have
the death penalty. Yeah, it's a deterrent. Thank you, Thank you,
John Romins. I don't necessarily believe that. Like, I don't
think the death penalty is a deterrent. I don't think
there's anybody who's thinking about killing somebody who like that
portion of your brain is working so poorly that you
think you can kill somebody that you're thinking logically enough
(13:49):
to go, well, I'd want to do this, But I
could go to jail for the rest of my life,
or I could I serve the death pe Like, I
don't believe that, but I do believe that it's a
proper punishment for some crimes that are committed. I don't
believe the death only is that the turn. I do
believe in the death ponties a punishment that Again, this
is Doug Gottliebink This is why this is not the
feelings of anybody else in the show or anybody else
that's got what we're allowed to do here. I've told
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you guys a long time ago, I'm a radical centrist.
You think you know my ideas, you don't, and you
don't have to agree with them. It doesn't bother me.
Like Dan's beliefs or Isaac Loan Cran's beliefs or Jayson
don't this guy should go to jail. I don't. I
don't know if he should ever play football again. And
I don't know where we are in society. You know,
(14:31):
we we cancel people for far lesser crimes. We cancel
people for things that they tweet, things that they say,
things that they put in emails. Now, obviously he didn't
mean to do this, But if you're as as as
we've all been told when we saw red red asphalt
(14:51):
when we were kids, you guys, remember that terrible gosh
they used to show us that in like middle high school.
I saw that and it was just like, man, I'm
never drinking and driving like that's that's terror. But as
we've seen, like you're you're driving around a loaded gun
and just because you got home doesn't make it okay,
(15:13):
And I just I wonder where we are in society
and where we should go and how we This is
an incredibly preventable tragedy, and Henry Ruggs, by all accounts,
is a good person, and he did something really awful
and someone else who was an innocent victim lost their
(15:34):
life last night. And I don't know what that means
for his future. And obviously it's not you know, in
the short term, you have a you have a mourning
family or families that are involved in this crash, plus
you have what's gonna happen to him. But I do
think it's an interesting snapshot of are we going to
make Henry Ruggs not only pay for his crime, but
(15:57):
pay for the crimes of the NFL and the past past.
Remember this is a key thing to remember in the
Ray Rice Even when Ray Rice was suspended for two
games initially for the domestic abuse charge which never went
to trial, do you remember that? Did you know that
was actually the longest suspension ever for anyone with domestic
(16:20):
violence in the National Football League? And of course then
the commissioner tried to put it at six and then
he was at the League, and that that was like
a decade ago. What happens now? It's fascinating. Are we
still a country of second chances? Does it matter how
he rehabilitates himself? Is it double jeopardy if he gets
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suspended for however? Long after he goes to jail? And
what what now of the Raiders? You know, I mean,
this is a team, their coaches fired, and they they
seemed to bound together and play well. Now they go
into a bye week and now one of their teammates killed. Somebody,
a human being is going to jail Like it's just
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so much bigger than actual football and so incredibly tragic.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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app Doug Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. So Odell Beckham Sr.
(17:30):
Early Tuesday morning posted an eleven minute video verified on
his verified Instagram account, highlighting the Browns missed opportunities week
three through six when O b J was open. Later Tuesday,
Lakers Lebron James showed support of Odell Beckham Jr. Tweeting,
O b J will show again. Why he's special wide receiver.
One hashtag free o b J. I heard calling Coward
(17:55):
earlier today say Odell Beckham Jr. Has been a good soldier.
One was that how did I did I miss that time?
When did? When did that happen? When? Tell me when
it happened? Because what I remember is he didn't want
(18:16):
to go to Cleveland. He didn't show up for O
T A s um he quite obviously, and you know
he's hurt last year. And yeah, I mean there's times
in when he was open and he didn't get the ball.
I noticed when I watched the I G Live that
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there were also no clips of when Odell Beckham Jr.
Didn't run hard or when he dropped the football. And
and none of this happens or is posted without Odell
Beckham Jr. Saying it's okay, all right. People don't speak
for you and say you need a chance and an
(18:57):
opportunity unless you said it was okay. They don't just
voluntarily do that. Your dad doesn't just voluntarily post some
video and you had no idea. If you did, then
you called him as soon as you posted and go
like dad, you gotta take that down. He did not
the same thing is when Lebron had a coach fired.
I had nothing to do with it. You know what,
if you wanted to stop it, You're Lebron James, you
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could stop it. It's the same thing here, same exact thing.
So I just I look at this deal and I
and I say to myself, like Odell Beckham Jr. Is
(19:38):
a royal pain in the ass. He has never been
worth the hassle. He was a super talented wide receiver
early in his career, but it was always about Odell
Beckham Jr. And when he didn't show up for O
t as. Remember if you go back and remember when
he was with the Giants, they gave him a huge
contract extension and he promised them that he would change,
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and then there was the video of him in a
hotel with cocaine somewhere in the hotel room right, and
then he was the perfect soldier for three months. He
fooled uh, the owner of the Giants. They give him
the contract extension, and he complained and then he got
hurt and then he never played for the Giants again.
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That's how I remember it, I don't, I mean, Lebron
doesn't know. And the dad is the dad, So I
don't blame him, but the reality is, like the Browns
haven't gotten much for him out of him, but just
giving him away. I know Michael Lombardi, who of course
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has been a GM in the NFL. He tweeted out
earlier that the Browns just need to move on from
Odell Beckham Jr. They people who cover the team say
they have not engaged in any trade discussions because there's
been nothing of substance to come their way. One, I'm
not how many people actually want him? And two can
we stop this? He's been a good soldier thing. And
then three, I do think if you have any chance
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of getting anything out of him, it's right now because
you can go to odeb back when you're gonna go like, look,
we would have moved you, but nobody really wanted you.
So you got half a season left. We should be
a playoff team. Show the league put on tape what
you have, because right now, what you have on tape,
you ain't getting a big contract next year, no matter
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how many good catches you had your first four years.
I actually think holding onto him is the best possible option.
Doug otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Sage Rosenfels
joins this former NFL quarterback, twelve year vett in the
National Football League and um um, there's nowhere really to go.
(21:50):
That's positive. With the Henry Ruggs thing, I just I
do wonder have you ever been part of a team
where there was some sort of tragedy where a guy
in the team got into the serious trouble and you know,
you come back to work and you've got to kind
of figure out how to pick up the pieces. Looking back,
I don't think so. I mean definitely where guys got
maybe a d u I or arrested. You know, I
(22:13):
played Miami for four years, so you're you're going to
have incidents, but nothing as tragic as this situation. And uh,
we we've seen it in the in the history of
the National Football League. It seems like every so many years,
every five years, every ten years, there's some sort of
tragedy like this. And I don't know any of the details.
I did see that sort of go across the screen
(22:34):
earlier today. Uh sounds like an awful incident, and obviously
we will collect information as it goes, but never nothing
this tragic ever happened during my time in the locker
room in the NFL. Stull gotlib show here on Fox
Sport trailer. Let's let's get back on the field. What
do you think about homes performance last night? I think
it's sort of has it's it was as it's been
(22:56):
a lot of the year. You know, I felt like
a guy who is trying to do a lot. He's
trying to sort of do too much. His defense is
ranked near the bottom in the National Football League and
all sorts of categories, So naturally, on the other side
of the football, you're gonna know you're gonna have to
be in this sort of fast break style offense to
keep up with your defense. And a lot of games
(23:17):
and and so I feel like Pat Mahomes is probably
trying to do too much. He's holding on with the football. Uh,
they're in shotgun a lot. They're not there. They ran
the football okay last night, but not your traditional runs.
They don't do much play actions. So it's a lot
of it's a lot of a pressure on Pat Mahomes
and defense are doing a great job of slowing down
(23:38):
the can State Chiefs. You're not seeing those home run
balls by by Tyreek Hill. You're not seeing the long
catching runs by Travis Kelsey. They are sort of keeping
the team in a sort of bend do break style
of defense, and it's you know, it's forcing Kansas City
to methodically work their way down the field and they
haven't had to do that or they haven't done that,
(23:58):
uh in their time. With Patrick Homes as the quarterback,
they're a quick strike type of team and he's run
around making plays and it looks like to me, he's
just trying to do too much. And that's natural. I mean, Doug,
your basketball guy or Jordan's back in the day, in
his early days, he was always trying to do too much.
He was trying to score thirty five, three or six
thirty seven points the game because he didn't have that
(24:18):
team around him, didn't have much defense around him either,
so he was sort of trying to outscore the other
team by himself. And I sure, I feel like Pat
Mahomes is trying to do that too. Sure trying to
do feels like almost too much, which is why he
has the most interceptions of his career so far, only
halfway through the season. Doug Gottlib show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um Odell Beckham Jr's dad post a video. Hey,
(24:40):
look at all these times he's open. He didn't get
the football. Browns are going to trade him? What do
you think of Odell Beckham Jr. The player in two
thousand twenty one. Odell Beckham as we know we knew
him is not the Odell Beckham that he is today.
And that's just a fact. He's not as fast. Uh,
he's not as a loose of he's not as good
(25:01):
as run after catch. Uh. If you look at this,
just breaking down to straight stats. For whatever reason, when
Baker Mayfield throws him the football, there's a lot of
interceptions that occur. I mean a couple of years ago
he threw and and uh an eight of them. Um, sorry,
none of them were thrown to oh b J when
he was sort in his direction. Uh. You know, on
that style of offense, when you run the ball with
(25:22):
two really good running backs. He got a good tight end.
Of course he got Jarvis Landry. There's only so many
places to go with the football, and uh, Odell Beckham
has to be sort of the big play guy. You
have to have somebody, especially on those play actions and
boo legs, to start to take the top off the coverage.
Get those safeties deep and so a lot of times
he's just not open, and so obviously Baker's going to
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other other places with the ball. I did see a
play at the end of that game, and there was
a little play action. It was right down the middle.
Odell had a post right down the middle, and he
put up one hand, tried one of his one hand catches.
If he makes the hatch, it's a good chance Cleveland
wins bat football game. But he puts up one hand
like we've all seen him do that before, ends up
(26:07):
going incomplete. And it sort of made me feel, you know,
if I was a quarterback and it's and this is
not first quarter or first half, this is fend of
the fourth quarter as we're trying to win this thing,
and he puts up one hand to sure to catch
that ball short the old alligator arms as they say. So,
I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes
BEI between Bobi j and Baker. I'm a big believer
(26:29):
in Kevin Stefansky to try to, uh the psychologically bring
the whole thing together. But just right off the bat,
Odell Beckham is not physically the same guy he was
with the New York Giants. That's the fact if you
go to all the pro football focused stuff, he was
always above eighty when when he was with the Giants.
He hasn't reached sevent before yet as far as his grades, um,
(26:51):
since he's been with the Cleveland Browns, and so he's
just simply not the player he was before. No matter
how many media people think he's still a great player,
He's just not the player he was before. Doug Otlip
Show here on Fox Sports Radio stage, Rosenville is our guest.
He breaks down all the take twelve yr NFL VET
a quarterback. Um, okay, so help me out with the Chargers. Uh,
they just got their asses kicked by the Baltimore Ravens.
(27:12):
Right that that that happened. But but the Patriots loss
was different. Uh. There were several drops on third down,
which are that's a turnover? Right? You had two interceptions,
one Jared Cook's not looking the other one Austin Ekeler
went through his hands. It wasn't the perfect pass, but
what did go through his hands and into defender's hands.
(27:33):
What do you make of the chargers sudden struggles, especially
with with with Herbert turning the football over? Well, A
lot of think it's a long season and you're gonna
have sort of ebbs and flows, and you know this
is not a dominant football team. They definitely had their
issues defensively, and so you know they're just not a
dominant team. So you know offensively they're gonna have some
games they don't play as well. Obviously Baltimore, man, they
(27:54):
ran to a buzz stall. I'll tell you what that
would you go play Bill Belichick team when you're a
quarterback and Herbert is still a very young guy, there's
just an uneasiness there when you go, especially you go
up to New England or wherever you play. When you
play a Bill Belichick team, there's like an uneasiness because
you just know he has certain sort of tricks up
his sleeve, and he's such an identifyer of what is
(28:17):
the other team good at, what is justin Herbert good at?
And also like what does he not like? What gives
him some struggles? The protection that certain types of coverages, uh,
is it vary sublitzes or looks that he can give them.
That makes him just a little bit uneasy in that pocket.
So he's not as accurate and he's not sort of
commanding of the position, and I feel like that's what
(28:40):
he sort of ran into in New England's good defense
up there. Uh, Mayo matting mac Jones a good quarterback,
and I think what they ran into a game where
and of course they just got destroyed by Baltimore the
week before that. I think, you know, they're just sort
of in one of those swoons. And I feel very
competent with Herberton that coaching staff that they will work
their way out of it. But it's not a surprise
to young. I mean Tom Brady went up to New
(29:02):
England was at about a month ago, and I think
he was like two or forty three. It was my
key through per cent. So there's something about playing against
Bill Belichick that can be really hard for an over quarterback. Uh,
and very much for a younger guy in a second
year stud gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
there's so many things I want to get to with you. Stage.
(29:23):
Rosen Hills is our guest, of course, breaks down tape
on every NFL game. Um, how do you think Justin
Fields played Sunday? So he played pretty good? You know,
I do a Chicago Bears radio show every Tuesday, so
I rewatched the film film if I didn't see it
on on Sunday, and they are finally using him the
(29:43):
way he should be used. There they run the ball
pretty well when he's understand and then a lot of
bootlegs and a lot of play action, and when he
is dropping back, he is so accurate on the outside routes,
you know, those fifteen yard comeback routes. Uh, that's where
he is. He never missed his balls, like right in
the chest the receivers. He throws on time. So I
(30:04):
think they're trying to sort of figure out what they
have with him as far as not just his physical capabilities,
but mentally as a rookie. You have to protect rookie.
I don't I don't care if there are a four
point oh student. Uh, you know, coming out of Harvard,
when you get to the NFL, there's just so much information.
So what they were doing before was man. There was
a lot of a lot of empty a lot of
(30:25):
shotgun teams bringing blizzes from different sides. You can tell
he's you can tell he's thinking as he's playing, trying
to figure out protections and where he should go with
the football. It's just a lot for a young guy
to be in shotgun being empty and they were with
they were they were that style of offense way too
much Earli in the year. I do feel like they
are finally start to figure out what's the best way
(30:46):
for Justin fields to be effective. And I thought he
played really well in this game, and he had about
you know, three or four runs. Of course, the highlight
touchdown run on the fourth and one, which end up
being a terrible call. Defense Spend was right up the field,
right in his face. He makes him miss cuts the
ball back and runs for about thirties or so yards
for a touchdown. I mean he has physical capabilities sort
(31:08):
of in a sense of running the ball Michael Vick wise,
and he's got a great arm, so he misses some
throws here and there. He met two or three shrows
in this game that occasionally have a ball sail on him.
But I really do like him. I don't know, I'm
not sure if this coaching staff in particular offensively will
be here in the future, but I do like him
as a quarterback. He just has to have the right
offense form that really maximizes his strength and as a
(31:31):
rookie minimize as those weaknesses, which for any rookie is
going to be protections and the complexity of the game
still gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio really quickly
sage what do the Saints do to Tom Brady that
others do not. Sometimes I wonder if it's actually Sean Payton.
I know Sean's like an offensive guy, but sometimes offensive
(31:51):
guys watch other quarterbacks and they sort of over time
figure out what they're good at. Because I mean, Sean
Payton has watched Tom Brady for twenty plus years too,
and all this, and you just watched his style of
offense and knows he wants to get the ball out,
knows he's now the guy who hangs onto it usually
for four or five seconds, and was trying to throw
the ball down the field. And and I think also
(32:12):
probably just playing in New Orleans is not easy. That's
that is a tough place to play. So I think
some of it just has to do with Sean Payton
has seen what what tom Bertie has done over all
his career, and what are the throws that he really
likes and and what sort of makes that team struggle
a little bit. And and obviously you know on the
interceptions for the game winner in that game. We have
(32:34):
seen Tom hit Gronk or various receivers for two decades
now on the on that d crossing route, it's about
a fifteen yard route versus outside leverage man the man.
It's great because the receiver's inside the secondary player and
you had a safety step up right in front of it,
and you don't see that very often. But my guess
is that he had a little extra information that you know,
(32:56):
Tom is not to hang out of the football. If
we played man the Man, which a lot of teams
play Man the man who sus Brady that that is
the throw that he loves, and the safety stuffed up
right in front and made the play of that game.
So I think it has a lot lots to do
the fact that Sean Payton knows quarterbacks really well, and
of course playing in that dome is is nearly impossible.
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's Sage
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a game rank. Come. Hey, this is game ties side
(34:01):
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. All right, Dan, a new
style of doing the show. We're doing rank them today.
As I've heard I heard from a little bird. What
is the game? Yeah, there it is, Doug Rank. What
you think the top four will be in tonight's first
college football playoff rankings of the season. Uh. I wrote
this down actually because I knew this question was coming.
(34:22):
So I believe the first what they don't want to
do is they don't want to they hate the idea
of president right moving teams up and down. Um, I
believe number one will be Georgia. That's a big thing, right, everybody. Wow,
that's very surprising, Doug, way to go. I had no
idea Georgia would be number one, But Georgia will be
your number one team in the country. Okay. After that,
(34:43):
now is when it starts to get interesting, right, who
do you put at at number two? Uh, Cincinnati's number
two in both polls. I believe that Oklahoma and Michigan
State will both be ranked ahead of Cincinnati, though Cincinnati
has a bigger road win over not tre Dame, who's
a top ten team, and Michigan State has a home
(35:07):
win over Michigan. But I think it's gonna be Georgia,
then Michigan State, then Oklahoma, then Cincinnati, then Oregon, then
Ohio State. So that's how I think it about Noil
Obama and that I mean, sorry, I'm sorry about Alabama's
the first. Yeah, okay, Ohio State seven, thank you for
(35:33):
catching that. Yeah. They ranked the teams in the a
f C North. You've got Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Cincinnati
not in that order of the standings right now, Bronze
are actually in the last place in the division. Who's
the best teams in the a f C North's interesting question,
right because here you have the Ravens, who you know
they had that run there where they're playing so well. Um,
(35:54):
but they lost the Raiders. Okay, it's first game you
lost to the Bengals. They have the Vikings, the Dolphins,
the Bears, and then the Rounds. I think the Ravens
are the I don't know if they're actually the best team,
but they're gonna end up in first place because they
got a soft spot in their schedule. So I'll go
be more one. Uh. I'm gonna put the Bengals at
(36:14):
two and the Steelers at three, and so the exact
same place the standings are now. Is how I think
of them as teams. I think I know Cleveland's talent,
I know they're injured, but I just think they're they're
a mess. And their next two next, next uh four games,
three of them are on the road against play well.
I don't know if Patriots a playoff team, but the
(36:35):
Bengals the Patriots lines at home and then at the
Ravens and the Ravens at home. Like that is not
a good schedule for a team that is really struggling
with their chemistry and with their health. I think the
Browns are gonna finish in the last place. Doug reag
your top three options at quarterback right now for the
New Orleans Saints. And I'll I'll give you four options.
Trevor Simeon, who filled in. Then you have Teasom Hill
could be coming back from as king cushion. Philip Rivers
(36:58):
name has been brought up. Is the only time says
that Philip would listen if the Saints gave him McCall
or other. The the ever popular other as options for
the Saints. Other. Uh, I'm gonna go Taysom Hill one,
Trevor Simeon too, ah, Philip Rivers three, others four. Okay,
(37:19):
so Rivers does beat out other? Another means other means
Cam Newton right, People like Google could be a lot
of different guys. Doug, rank your top three favorite New
York Giants this on the heels of the Giants playing
last night. Favorite New York Giants. UM. Three is Mark
Bavarro could call I love Mark Vavarro. Two is Joe Morris.
(37:46):
Actually too is Phil Sims because Phil is like the
greatest guy to me ever, He's been so kind to me.
Then shouldn't be number one? No, because Lawrence Lawrence tellers
the greatest giant ever. This is game time on the
duck Gotlieb Show. So we're, uh, what three days away
(38:07):
from going to the Breeders Cup. I have no I
have no my expectations are I don't have any expectations.
So yeah, that one's that one's hard. One's difficult to
know what if that's going to be. Like Alright, coming
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