February 18, 2025 • 39 mins
Doug talks about the viral video of Rick Pitino screaming at his players and how that kind of coaching is still an acceptable, successful way to impact players. Doug weighs in on the Bengals' situation before welcoming in NFL Analyst John Middlekauff to talk about the Bengals, Sam Darnold and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "Rank'Em".
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Uh most of this country. Call not where you guys are.
Obviously we've had moments with the fires where there's been
a lot of concern for everybody back in Los Angeles.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
But if you're in the Midwest as we are, the
Arctic blast is here, and it is Chile. It is
absolutely Chile, not like Santiago Chile, although maybe Santiago Chile
in the summer here which is the winter there. Okay,
I got a bunch of things to get to. Kd's
comments about fans and complaining about the All Star Game. Also,
(01:16):
I guess at some point, I guess I have to
address that Lebron James, on his day off after bowing
out of the All Star Game, wants to tweet at
me without tagging me. So I don't know, but we'll
talk about that. But I want to talk about Rick Patino,
who has turned around Saint John's in their second year
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of having coach p And I've said this previously that
I think he's, uh, he's the He's the greatest all
around coach in the modern day history of the sport.
There's no disrespect to coach k or to Bill Self
or to Jay Wright, Tom Izzo. These are amazing coaches.
But when you when you look at some of his
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philosophy and you know a lot of it, in terms
of how you judge their level of greatness is what
can be replicated, not just in terms of style, but
in the little things that they've done that people copy forever.
And we can get into that sum But apparently there's
a docuseries on Vice and the docuseries is following them around.
(02:24):
And so I was asked by a bunch of people
if if speeches like this halftime speech from a game
a couple of weeks ago. Work with this generation the
game and be a basketball player. They did. Every time
you miss a shot, you don't gain the place.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We don't care about your miss shots.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You guys keep blowing opportunity upon opportunity upon opportunity. You're
like children with bad things happening. Instead of thinking it
would be tougher, you will. Where is your toughness? Where
have you guys been raised that it's so weak mentally
that you just give up when something that's all right
for you? Don't you know what adversity is all about.
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That's a game of life, not the game of basketball.
You don't get down with things go wrong. You're thinking
you can cover your whole Life's gonna be adversity?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Who are dealing it? I love it? Uh, It's a
message that we relate to our players. I've related to
my players time and again in different ways. So I'll
give you my thoughts on it. And then Jase two,
I know you had a bunch of questions and this
is kind of it's kind of a cool exercise real
if you if you get down to it. The first
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thing is, you know I do I try and give
purpose filled pregame and halftime talks, you know, and whether
it's a cameron and locker room or not. In the
locker room, you can't players see through that if you
want to be performative, you know, and all of a sudden,
there's a camera there, and now you're gonna go into
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some grandiose pre game speech. Like I feel like they
see through that. They're not idiots, but I and I
and you're not gonna connect with all of them because
many of them are in their own kind of headspace,
you know. Some of them are just all they're thinking
about is I got to make shots. I got to
make shots. Some are thinking about I think my girls
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coming to night? Wait is my other girl coming to night?
I'm not really sure, right, I hope they don't sit
next to each other. There's all you don't know what
they're thinking of. But but what I try and do
is I try and have a theme, a theme of
how we're going to win, and find different ways to
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get across that message. But in regards to adversity and
what players do and how they act, like this is
not a new thing, right. The idea of guys sulking
or holding their heads, when they misshots and coaches trying
to get them out of it. That's not simply a
gen Z thing that was my generation. Anybody's generation. There
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are guys that can't function when they miss shots. But
challenging guys to find the inner self toughness works. But
you have to know which players a challenge. And I'll
just give you something I've learned this year. So that's
a lot of the messaging that I have. Sometimes in
a different way, we've talked about like, look we up
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until Sunday. We lost twenty one games in a row.
And there were times in which I try and jump
them at halftime or during a timeout, and they would wilt.
They they're too young, they're not from the type of background.
Some kids you got another background. Some kids can You
can literally call them any name of the book, and
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now they start to play. Some you even insinuate that
you're calling them a name, and they're done. They can't play.
And it does doesn't necessarily have to do with how
a hardcore dude is. I played in college with a
guy who is immensely talented. If you got on him personally,
he couldn't play in the second half. But if you said,
the whole team isn't playing hard enough. Now, all of
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a sudden, he would play way harder. So you got
to know your team. And it doesn't hurt when're Rick
Patino who's won a national title, ed Kentucky and Louisville
and taking Providence and taking Providence to a Final four
as well. So you have to know your team. You
have to recruit the types of players that respond to
that type of coaching. And if you're you know, a
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coach in your seventies who commands respect in every gym
you've ever walked into and people kind of bow at
your feet, well, then you can you can challenge players
and use words that you have done it before, You've
overcome adversity, You've coached better teams. It's just different when
you're younger, you're less experienced. You know, guys can pick
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that apart. So I love it, and I think everyone
actually got a couple of texts. I have a guy
named Jerry Smith who just got done with a thirteen
year professional career he played. He's from Milwaukee. He played
for coach p at Louisville for four years. And I
had a couple buddies in the industry text me last weekend,
what's the secret to Rick Patino? And I don't think
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the secret is in those impassioned speeches, although that's part
of it, that's part of it. I think a good
portion of it is his. You know, the conditioning aspect
of it builds in the mental toughness of it, and
you're like, well, how does that work? Well, if you're
in grade shape, if you're in great shape in order
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to get into greade shape, if you push yourself beyond
the aerobic thresholds, you push yourself beyond any reasonable level
of fatigue. If you can do that, well, then basketball
is easy. That's the message that you relate to players.
So I love it. I'm intrigued. I do know a
little bit about how the sausage is made, and I'm
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interested in how this series plays out. Jaseter, you had
some questions about it.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, you know what, Before I do that, I like
to play our imaging. So can we ask the coach.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
There's a question that needs an answer, and the answer
is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give us that answer.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No, I'm the head coach.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
I get to set the schedule, hold on let's ask
the coach.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
So my question is this, okay, future recruits, I don't know.
I don't know how people live nowadays, so maybe you
can answer that too. So if I'm the parent of
a potential Division I basketball player, okay, and a guy
a kid who has options, and I see this video
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going viral, does the parent of gen z now is?
Are they put off by people addressing their kids that way? No,
it's not something to even consider in the you know,
the old traditional living rooms, you know, like I know,
people live on wine now, so this, I guess this
would be a living room thing. You don't consider the parents.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'll give you. I'll give you a little bit, okay.
So Sunday, okay, I was. I was very frustrated how
we played in the first half on Friday, and I
thought I thought Friday in the second half, we played
incredibly hard. We didn't necessarily play well, but you know,
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a little bit of bad luck. We still don't have
our starting center. You know, A Ton Levy's been out
with a concussion for a couple for both of these games.
He suffered at Monday. He wasn't cleared. So I was
frustrated by that. I was frustrated by how he played
in the first half, and then I was just frustrated,
you know, at the losing whatever. And then we had
maybe the worst shoot around of our season on Sunday morning,
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and it's a two o'clock game, so you're trying to
figure out, like do we get them up at nine
o'clock or do we let him sleep in and have
a pre game meal and watch some film. And I decided,
you know what, I'm tired of them being asleep in
the first half. We're getting them up and it looked
like your classic sixth grade team playing at seven am.
Like they were yawning, their hair wasn't comb they hadn't
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shaved or brush their teeth or whatever. And I was like, oh, yeah, yu.
And to start the game, we were playing sort of hard,
but we could not score. And I felt like we
didn't get a couple of calls and we're down fifteen
to four to start the game. Just can't We're not executing,
we're not cutting. I thought, maybe we're asleep, we're getting
intimidated all the things, and so I was losing my mind.
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I actually got a technical foul, a technical foul, and
my assistant Jordan McKay pulled me aside and he actually
told me, Hey, so and so's dad is here today.
If you want any hope of getting that kid, try
not to act like a crazy person for the next
hour and forty five minutes. And I was like, okay,
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we'll stab out, like was I acting that crazy or
we just not playing well? Anyway, we proceed to go
on a twelve zero run and I thought my energy
was on point. The point of it is, I think
there's a way to do it. I don't think. First
of all, it's different ons Rick Patino that has Doug
Gottlieb Right, I've won three games, He's won eight hundred
and national championships. He can get away with things that
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I can't. He's a grandpa, so he can tell them
the hard truths, even though we tell them the hard truths.
But what I found is that most parents that's what
they want now. They may not want their kid benched,
they may not want their kids games limited, but they
want them at least told and sort of taught life lessons.
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Because it is your job, Like you become their dad,
you have to become their advocate. You have to find
them their first job their first agent, whatever. If they
want to go into coaching, you got to help them
get into coaching as well. So you are like a
father figure. And I haven't had anyone. You know. I
talk to all of my parents, not all my parents,
but I at some point the year, I touch base
with all my parents, and you know, each one of them.
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I have to understand. The relationship with the with the
player is different. You know. Uh, my best player, Anthony Roy,
has been out and I never met his dad until
we played Ohio State. His dad looks like Deebo. His
dad's the best. But I don't call his dad all
the time to like, tell on, tell on Anthony when
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I'm not But when something's not going the way it's
supposed to be going, I call his dad and his
dad's like, I got it, don't worry about it. And
our deal is is really simple, Jason. Our deal is
neither of us need anything from Anthony. Right, he's doing
well financially, he doesn't like. I would love to have
him back as he's trying to come back from jury.
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But if he doesn't like, okay, Like that's the nature
of this this first year, which is we had the
nation's leading scorer and he's gotten hurt if he's not ready,
Like again, I'm not gonna make him play just so
for my team, from my record, from my ego, if
he's not comfortable and ready to play, but all the
other stuff, I got to make sure I'm on top
of him. And our working relationship is we just want
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what's best for him. When you wanted to graduate, and
let's figure out next year together while he gets healthy
and he works in his game and he stays out
of trouble. Now I have another parent, I'll just leave
the kid where you know, a kid was doing he
wasn't doing well in one of his classes, and all
I had to say to the player was, Hey, if
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this continues, i'm gonna have to call your dad and
talk to him about it. And he was like, coach,
don't call my dad. And sure enough, he didn't do
well on like a subsequent test. I called his dad
and his dad was like, well, he told me he
was doing okay. I was like, not by our standards.
And the kid hasn't missed a study session nothing all
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a's ever since. And all I said was, I don't
think he's giving the level of effort that you and
your family would want him to give it to his
studies done so, the answer to your question is, most
parents want their kids to be disciplined. Most parents want
their kids to understand how to push to adversity. Most
parents want their son to be coached. Want don't want
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their son to be coddled. Most the ones that like
the coddling oftentimes are not the parents. Sometimes they are
like that, and usually that's not a kid you're going
to recruit. And even with those kids, some of them,
you have to You just got to be cast on
which kids you call it individually, because that's when the
parents can get defensive. That's when the players can shut
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down on you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I totally get that and allow me to kind of
put it this way, Okay, Uh, my generation and your
generation never had to deal with terms like toxic workplace,
like microaggressions, rip tinos generation obviously not. I just keep
that in mind when I think about like parents of
this generation and you're telling me that they're the parents
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after watching that video would not be deterred because they
are probably thinking, no one has ever spoken to my
son that way, No teacher, not me, not an AAU coach.
That would be seem seem to be like a shocking
thing to hear from somebody, But what you're saying is
that most parents in general welcome that treatment.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, interesting, I would say, the only issues you have
with parents, and yes, sometimes coaches can step out of line,
the only issues you have with parents, for the most
part are I mean, again, we treat them well, so
it's not like player treatment, but it's it's more in
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playing time and role in what their short term and
long term future looks like. And then sometimes it's with
other players, you know, in terms of things going on
behind the scenes that a head coach might not be
aware of. For the most part though, in regards to
motivating them, and you know, even calling their generations soft
like they're all parents. They all think they are too.
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So for the most part, that's not an issue, Sam,
you got one, anybody else got one. I listen the
Patino's amazing and his ability to flip things, obviously helped
by by a huge financial backing. And the other part too,
it is you know, he always points out, my team
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can't shoot, yet we still score, we still play well,
and that's because they're unbelievable defensively, and he gets he
went from Remember last year he called out his team
for being slow footed, Well, he scrapped all those guys. Now,
these guys can't shoot, but they are not slow footed,
so it's pretty obvious what he thinks wins.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
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Speaker 2 (17:00):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Tradio Live from the tyreck
dot Com studios. John Middlecalfell join us in about four
or five minutes. Get to Die Low with an update
in the second as well. Saw this from ESPN. The
Bengals are hoping to pull off an ambitious and expensive offseason.
They'll attempt to secure a trio stars to new deals,
Jamar Chase, T Higgins and defensive end Trey Hendrickson to
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a long term deal, sources told ESPN. Of course, this
comes in the back of a Super Bowl where Joe
Burrow said he would restructure his contract to keep T Higgins.
To keep Jamar Chase, they offered, you know, T Higgins,
a franchise tag deal, which makes sense, right, You franchise
tag T Higgins, You rework Burrows deal, and then Hendrickson
and Chase and Jamar Chase they signed deals that don't
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kill you against the cap right away, but it does
kick the can down the road. And outside of Trey Hendrickson,
they need a lot of change on defense. Higgins would
be the guy I'd like to move, But I'm guessing
that while they have him in that whole holding holding
pattern of of a of a franchise tag, that's when
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they can look to shop him. But they probably hold
on to him because I don't think he has the
value knowing he wants a gigantic contract and he's only
gonna They're only gonna trade him if he's promised that
gigantic contract. Well that's John Mintakoff for the reality of
that is the first let's scatastical low and cry and
get it. Update Ilo, Good afternoon, Doug.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
The Toronto Blue Jays failed to reach agreement on a
contract extension with star first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Junior by
his Monday deadline, Guerrero entering the final season of his
contract here in twenty twenty five. And here's what Guerrero
himself had to say today.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
Hey ya mente.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Anybody here speaks Spanish? Miny chance. No, well it's a
good thing. I'm just kidding. He did have a translator
with him.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
No, we do not go and agreement today. I mean
they had their numbers. I have my numbers. But you know,
this is business. Like I always say, things happens.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
We all good ESPR reports free agent infielder Justin Turner's
agreed to a one year, six million dollar deal with
the Chicago Cubs pending of physical Los Angeles Angels owner
Ardy Moreno It's old. Reporters today that the Angels are
projected to lose between fifty and sixty million dollars this
year and reiterated that he has no plans to put
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the team up for sale. Finally, in the NFL that
Detroit Lyons hired former Stanford head coach David Shaw as
their new passing game coordinator. Doug Back to you.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Thanks Iilo, Doug Gottlip Show. You're on, Thanks Heilo, Doug
Gatlip Show here on Fox Sports Trader. Let's welcome in
John Metalcough three. Now it's the podcast you here in
the Volume Podcast Network, and we'll start with the Bengals.
How realistic is it that they can resign Hendrickson and
Jamar Chase anti Higgins.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
Well, I think the Hendrickson anytime you pro oritizes a
bass rusher, it's a smart move.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I mean, the guy's.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
An enormous dominant figure. I think you have to look
at how you build the team, and doesn't make sense.
You know, Jamar Chase is obviously not just an elite receiver,
I mean even one of the best players in the NFL.
So you're talking one hundred and thirty hundred and forty
million dollars guaranteed, and you know Brandon Ayuk last year
got seventy five eighty guaranteed, So you're talking to Higgins
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what ninety ish million? So you're I mean, you're investing
two guys at that position at a pretty astronomical number.
You obviously have one of the highest by quarterbacks. And
then if you resigned Hendrickson, that's a lot of money
you know, at a redundant you know, two guys that
play the same position. So to me, I Burrow has
been pretty outspoken. I commend him for supporting his guys,
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and you're doing it in a professional manner. But I
don't know, if that's the right way to build a team,
I personally would try to do like a tag of
trade or something. But I think they are a little
worried that, you know, Burrow is not happy with everything
going on.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Totally understand. Doug Gottlieb show, you're on Fox Sports Trader.
That's the voice of John Middlecall three Now is his podcast. Okay,
let's talk quarterback market, all right? What do you think
happens to stam Darnald?
Speaker 9 (21:16):
You know, I think the last two games were pretty jarring,
and I thought he was going to get a contract extension.
I would say the feel of it right now now. Granted,
I think we're going to have a lot more information
coming out next week at.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The combine when O'Connell and the.
Speaker 9 (21:32):
GM are meeting with agents, but it does feel like
they're probably gonna let him hit the free agent market.
And you know, Baker Mayfield's number is kind of unique, right,
one hundred million dollars guaranteed for a guy that.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I'd say last year was what a top seventy.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Eight quarterback in the NFL through forty plus touchdowns and
just the iath, I mean, he was pretty darn good
most of the year. Is Donald that good? And I
don't know, I'd rather have Baker Maye Field on my
team in Sam Donald, but that's would he even accept
the number like that? He got the type number that
teams would be willing to, you know, get in business
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with him. And the difference though, is Jason White gave
him that extension. They'd already had him for a year,
so they knew him pretty well. I think when we
talk about Sam Donald's like, I don't see Minnesota probably
giving him that. Now, well, the Raiders, the Giants, some
of these other teams in the quarterbacks, are they going
to jump in with a guy that they don't know?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So I'm pretty fascinated.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I could you could convince me that he gets something
like that. He convinced me he gets a one year,
twenty five to thirty million dollar deal. Maybe he goes
back with the Minnesota Vikings for a year.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think it's all on the table with him.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, Doug got the show here on Fox Sports Tradio Books.
John Middlecoffe is our guest and so, uh you know,
I'm I'm intrigued by Aaron Rodgers, Okay, because he goes
back to New York okay. And you know, there's two
different stories that come out. One as any want him back,
and they was like, well, we want him back, but
(23:03):
we don't want them back. If he wants to do McAfee,
if he wants to skip stuff, whatever, all reasonable things.
And Jay Glazier's tweet was basically, hey, if he didn't
want to play football anymore, why would he go back
and talk to the Jets about come back and playing football?
So I guess the first thing is, do you think
he wants to play football some more? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
I mean I think most of these guys, I think
if recent memory shows that they kind of got to
get really pushed out. I mean Peyton Manning that last
year couldn't throw, and remember that offseason he was sniffing
around up. He didn't want to retire, but no one
would really take him. You know, Roethlisberger and Freeze their
arms kind of fell off, And I don't think either
of them wanted to quit. I just don't think they
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had really any other options. There aren't many jobs in
America that they even if Aaron Rodgers has to take
a big pay cut like Gardner, Mitschew got fifteen million
dollars last year. You're telling me the Titans wouldn't give
Rogers twenty five million dollars. I mean, it's just a
high tank job that brings a lot to the table
in terms of publicity, people taking care of you. Obviously,
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it's fun to play. I mean, you get to play
a little kids game at forty years old.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
Think in his mind, he goes, I can still play
a little bit. Maybe he's, you know, not naive enough
to think that he's still as good as he once was,
but he knows he's still a functional player in the league.
So I would imagine he's definitely interested. But I also
think you got a factor in where what are his options?
You know, I floated this out on the podcast. If
you think about it, like Brady's got a bunch of money.
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You know, you got Aikman, you got Romo. Well, Amazon
Curbstreet was kind of a filler because remember they wanted McVeigh,
they wanted John Lynch, and those guys just wouldn't leave,
Like why wouldn't you know Aaron Rodgers, you know, forever
It's like, well, you'd keep playing over broadcasting. But now
broadcasting they can pay a fifteen twenty million dollars keep
him in the line lights a primetime game. He clearly is,
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you know, intelligent enough to old conversations. We've seen him
do these long form interviews. I wonder that would be
interested in thing to him and to me if I'm Amazon,
I definitely placed the call, Aaron would would you be
willing to do this?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No question? But again, let's like, let's let's I don't know,
you know, I think he'd be great, But again, he'd
have to want to be great. And the first thing
is he wants to play. Okay, we all think he
wants to play. Okay, he's not going to play in
a system that he doesn't know. So it's either going
to be you know that the system he ran late
(25:25):
in Green Bay, which is like mcveigh's system or the
West Coast system. Right, those those are the two of
the teams that are out there that need a quarterback,
and there's a bunch of them. Well, would Oakland fit that?
If not? Who I am Oakland? Sorry, we'd Las Vegas
hit fit that? If not? Who would like?
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't I don't think Kip Kelly.
I mean, he kind of likes the quarterback to one
a little bit, uh to meet Chip Kelly, Aaron Rodgers.
I'm harol, that seems like a lot going on there.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's that's a lot.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
I think, you know, the Titans Callahan's background, you know,
with Joe Burrow's playing around, I could see Aaron Rodgers,
you know, I think he has a place in Nashville.
I do think that's one to just kind of keep
an eye on. If we just assume, like I would imagine,
he's kind of weighing out all his options. Again, he's
gonna have to take a dramatic takeup. I mean, even
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at this point his days of being super highly paid.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Now, Phil, your low pay.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Twenty million dollars is a pretty good gig.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But I think that's kind of the.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Numbers we're talking about now. I was thinking his age,
you know, sometimes you know.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
He's like, well, wait till after the draft to pick
a spot.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Ye you don't care, right.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
You know, like you can sign now and they draft
a quarterback, like you understand what you're getting in business with.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
But I don't know.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
I mean, he's kind of got to make like he's
going to have legitimate offers. I would imagine over the
next ten days or at least, people very very interested,
because if you're gonna sign Aaron Rodgers, you probably want
to sign him right with free agency open Sea and
kind of build your team and kind of build your
draft process around that option.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, and it's it's interesting. I mean, i'll tell you
one of this issues.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I don't think he's a lock to play though. I
don't think he's a lock to play.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
No, because you know, he's going to want all the things,
and it's one of those I don't think it's about money,
but he is going to require some money. He obviously
wants to play, but he doesn't want to play in
a bad team, you know. So it's going to have
to be somebody who needs a quarterback that he feels
like he could win with.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I would say the Steelers.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
You know, he's he's played in cold for a long time,
so he's comfortable now. The one problem is in that division,
it's a pretty hard hitting division, you know, and I
think the one thing want to get hit. Yeah, and
it happened to Brady that last year. And again I
don't blame anyone that is that rich, that accomplished and
forty plus years old, does not want to get touched,
and it's hard. It's pretty hard to play in the
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AFC North without getting.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Hit, right, Yeah, it's it's kind of impossible. I mean,
what about Indy Is that crazy?
Speaker 9 (27:56):
No, they would basically be saying I mean that they
would have pretty big regret they're on the quarterback, which
I wouldn't blame them for basically acknowledging it, but that'd
be essentially what they're doing. It also would be a
little bit of a no pun attending because he's a
great hail mary thrower, but a little bit of a
hail mary trying to save those their.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Jobs, I guess.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
But you know that division indoors, they definitely have some
offensive weapons. Yeah, I mean they have an offensive coach
who shows who shown he's very adaptive by I meaning
can coach from Flaco to Gardner Minshew to Anthony Richson,
Jalen Hurts, Philip Rivers. They would be nuts not to
(28:40):
at least inquire and talk to him, and again I
think his representation who knows, maybe him. They're going to
have some legit conversation starting next Tuesday Wednesday over the
course of you know, the combine what you see on.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
TV the kids working out and stuff.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
A majority of it is the GM, the front office
and the head coach, you know, dealing with perspective either
free agents, their own guys and situations like Aaron Rodgers
Stuck Gottleab show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of John Middlecoff.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, the whole thing is just it. I don't know,
it's super super interesting, uh, super interesting to me. With
the running backs having the success they had this year,
I don't think that ends the discussion that running backs
were underpaid whatever, because wasn't the argument not about paying
them for one year. It was about paying them three
(29:32):
years guaranteed, and then the end of this year becomes
the more interesting year.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
No, yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Think part of it is these receivers, Like how many
of these high end receivers equal winning and the high
end receivers quad you know, not quadrupled, but you know,
sak one is getting what thirteen fourteen a year, the
high end receivers are making thirty to thirty four million dollars.
So it goes, Hey, if I'm stake One Barley, if
(30:00):
I'm Alvin Kamara, if I'm Christian McCaffrey, Like, when I'm
on the field, I am as important as these guys,
and they're.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Making double what I'm making.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
So I just you know, it takes a while for
it to catch up.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
What I think is going to happen.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Besides the top guys, you have to wonder if there's
gonna be a little bit of a slowdown in the
wide receiver market. You know, does it make sense for
a non Jamar chase, for non Ceedee Lamb to pay
these guys that much money I would invest in other positions.
So I think we're going to see more of a
correction there for the non elite guys than we are
(30:35):
going to see some like huge jump in the running
back market because company. I mean, there's a small number
of guys that you really feel are complete difference makers,
and some of them, you know, Jacobs and Saquon signed
contracts last year.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Is this the year that we see a drop off
for the Kan City Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
I mean I thought they would lose in the playoffs
this year, and they didn't. I mean last year they
just found a way to win a bunch of games.
I think they will have a big offseason. I think
their offense has got to be better. You don't see
Andy reives offense down for long.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
And the other thing is, you know, we talk a
lot about these young hungry gms, right the kind of
the new age NFL GM is much more like the
basketball and baseball GM for years. Andy somewhat of an outlier,
like he's an older guy, but.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
He's been making big moves for twenty twenty five plus years.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
So I would never count them out of like, oh,
the Chiefs just traded their first round pick for player X,
so that they will be extremely aggressive. I mean they are.
They're kind of operating right now like you did if
you have Lebron James on your team for a long
period of time. You're kind of living in the moment.
So I definitely wouldn't count It's going to be harder
like you would expect. Like if the Bengals played that
(31:50):
season ten times, that's probably the worst outcome they could
play of the ten times. Obviously, the Chargers and the
Broncos are not only going to improve, but I mean,
those coaches are not going to be intimidated by the
Chiefs and the Ravens and the Bills are just really,
really high level organization. So it's it's hard to make
it out of the AFC on a yearly basis, and
you can credit year.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
They beat the bill twice and they beat the Ravens,
so it's like making.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Their business somehow, somehow they do it. Hey, that's John Mittcoff,
NFL analyst Score, our host of the three Now podcast
the Volume Podcast Network. John, Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
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End of the first hour, we like to play a game.
(32:52):
Here's Isaac Longcron.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
This is game time.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What do you got?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
But all right, let's see what's in the mix for today.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Rank them.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Start by having your rank the top three teams in
the NBA's Western Conference. Oh geez, did you say OKC
or OG? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Oh? I mean yeah. I'm just gonna tell you right now,
like I don't think I'm actually the best gauge for this,
Like this is just me being honest. I think I know,
but I can't tell you I have a great field.
(33:43):
I don't know if anybody has a great fiel because
the regular season has not matched the postseason. But here's
what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Okay, that's okay, Honesty is the best policy.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Number three, Number three, Number three, I'm gonna go with
the Dallas Mavericks. Okay, they went to the finals last year.
I know there's no Luca, a completely different team, but
I'm assuming Anthony Davis comes back healthy. And when Anthony
Davis was healthy with the Lakers, they went to the
Western Conference finals. I think he's that good. I do,
(34:17):
and they get long term, Lakers win short term. I
think the Mavericks win. Mavericks at three, Nuggets at two,
and Thunder at one.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Very good. You want to try the Eastern Conference? Same deal?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Do I want to?
Speaker 6 (34:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, I of course, of course. Number three, number three,
I'm gonna go with the New York Knickerbockers. Everybody knows.
I have a healthy infatuation with Jalen Brunson and his game.
I like the Karl Anthony Towns move. I don't think
you win a title with him, but I like to move.
Gives him an elite three point shooter, whereas Bunson plays
(34:52):
in a lane. Number two Cleveland Cavaliers, Number one, Boston Celtics.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
All right, next right, the top three current head coaches
in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Top three current head coaches in college basketball? What is this?
Is this all time?
Speaker 7 (35:13):
No current current?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
No? I mean in terms of their entire career this season? Uh,
what does it mean?
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Let's go across the board, entire career.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, tom Izzo at three, Bill Self at two, Patino
at one.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Okay, Hey, you know what on a related story regarding Patino,
because you rank him number one there and spoke very
highly of him earlier, you said, arguably the best peer
coach in college basketball history.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
All around coach, all around coach.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
I'm curious where would you rank Larry Brown. Not necessarily
just college because he did college and approach to a
more successful attempt than Patina, But where would you have
Larry Brown in that matrix.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
A's in any conversationists, I'm the great coach of all time.
The Patino thing is interesting because you know he he
also coaches his assistants. He's you know, they all have
to be in great shape. They have to give scaring
ports without notes like there's just that thing is a machine.
Once he gets the thing going, it's a machine. And
(36:22):
you know, he was the first to embrace the three
point shot. Really self has been the most successful and
the most dominant. Obviously, I know they they struggled the
last couple of years in the Big twelve, but he's
been unbelievable at Kansas and winning two national titles and
then Izzo's only one one national title. But his ability
to be consistently successful, and the culture that they build,
(36:42):
the way they play, especially a place where you're not
you know, they've never been cheating, and I don't think
you know, I'm sure they have healthy nil but not
the level of you know, some of the teams in
the SEC. I don't think anybody argue with with ISO.
So where would Larry Brown be I don't know, I mean,
he's Larry Brown's a great coach. Lery Brown did get
(37:02):
his last three schools, UCLA, Kansas and SMU on probation
we left.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
There would seem to be some sort of commonality there.
And you know what, one more quick fallout before we
move on to our next item. Uh, it's a fine I.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Think here here's I will say this, like the Patino
thing at Louisville. The story's they're not great there at
the end. I think there's some plausible deniability in terms
of you know, when you're in your seventies, you know
you don't know or want to know what's going on
on visits. You just did we get the kid? Do
we not to get to get the kid? You know
you didn't? You don't You didn't ask him what he
did last night? You're like, did you have fun last night? Right?
(37:38):
That that's how it works on a visit. But I
will say, and i've I'm like the rare proponent that
we need the NCAA, we need a legislating body. But
ailough we can. I could pay a player a million
dollars next year. Do you know what I can't do?
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Make sure they're healthy, make sure they make shots.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
No, No, what I can't do is I can't leave
a cheesehead on their bed at their hotel room when
they come on a visit.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Oh, that's an impermissible benefit.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Apparently permissible to pay somebody millions of dollars. Not permissible
in terms of recruiting incentive.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
Ah, what a world. In terms of what we heard
from Patino earlier in the Tough Love Thing, I'm curious,
have you ever read a Season on the Brink, the
book about Okay, how would you compare would you heard
from Patino to what Bobby Knight said in that book alone?
To one guy, Darryl Thomas.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Team fair boy? All right? As one of my assistants,
Eric Sanders, like to say, coach, you're an old soul.
Just be careful not to be too old of the soul.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
Y very well said. All right, And that is it
for today's edition of Rank Them.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
This is game time on the du Godleaf Show.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Gotleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, next hour,
we got to talk to Netflix. They want to get in.
Apparently on the NFL, KD has a message to NBA
fans who don't like how hard the guys play in
the All Star Game? Is it the right message? Is
(39:22):
it the right message? Really? Interesting, interesting story, but coming
up next. Yesterday, I was traveling and when I landed,
all of a sudden, for the second consecutive day, my
phone started buzzing, and this one was just about Lebron James,
and I didn't I didn't know anything about Lebron James,
(39:44):
so I had made a cognitive decision to not look
at the bird. We'll talk about it next to The
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absolutely Chile, not like Santiago Chile, although maybe Santiago Chile
in the summer here which is the winter there. Okay,
I got a bunch of things to get to. Kd's
comments about fans and complaining about the All Star Game. Also,
(01:16):
I guess at some point, I guess I have to
address that Lebron James, on his day off after bowing
out of the All Star Game, wants to tweet at
me without tagging me. So I don't know, but we'll
talk about that. But I want to talk about Rick Patino,
who has turned around Saint John's in their second year
(01:37):
of having coach p And I've said this previously that
I think he's, uh, he's the He's the greatest all
around coach in the modern day history of the sport.
There's no disrespect to coach k or to Bill Self
or to Jay Wright, Tom Izzo. These are amazing coaches.
But when you when you look at some of his
(01:59):
philosophy and you know a lot of it, in terms
of how you judge their level of greatness is what
can be replicated, not just in terms of style, but
in the little things that they've done that people copy forever.
And we can get into that sum But apparently there's
a docuseries on Vice and the docuseries is following them around.
(02:24):
And so I was asked by a bunch of people
if if speeches like this halftime speech from a game
a couple of weeks ago. Work with this generation the
game and be a basketball player. They did. Every time
you miss a shot, you don't gain the place.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
We don't care about your miss shots.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
You guys keep blowing opportunity upon opportunity upon opportunity. You're
like children with bad things happening. Instead of thinking it
would be tougher, you will. Where is your toughness? Where
have you guys been raised that it's so weak mentally
that you just give up when something that's all right
for you? Don't you know what adversity is all about.
(03:13):
That's a game of life, not the game of basketball.
You don't get down with things go wrong. You're thinking
you can cover your whole Life's gonna be adversity?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Who are dealing it? I love it? Uh, It's a
message that we relate to our players. I've related to
my players time and again in different ways. So I'll
give you my thoughts on it. And then Jase two,
I know you had a bunch of questions and this
is kind of it's kind of a cool exercise real
if you if you get down to it. The first
(03:46):
thing is, you know I do I try and give
purpose filled pregame and halftime talks, you know, and whether
it's a cameron and locker room or not. In the
locker room, you can't players see through that if you
want to be performative, you know, and all of a sudden,
there's a camera there, and now you're gonna go into
(04:06):
some grandiose pre game speech. Like I feel like they
see through that. They're not idiots, but I and I
and you're not gonna connect with all of them because
many of them are in their own kind of headspace,
you know. Some of them are just all they're thinking
about is I got to make shots. I got to
make shots. Some are thinking about I think my girls
(04:27):
coming to night? Wait is my other girl coming to night?
I'm not really sure, right, I hope they don't sit
next to each other. There's all you don't know what
they're thinking of. But but what I try and do
is I try and have a theme, a theme of
how we're going to win, and find different ways to
(04:48):
get across that message. But in regards to adversity and
what players do and how they act, like this is
not a new thing, right. The idea of guys sulking
or holding their heads, when they misshots and coaches trying
to get them out of it. That's not simply a
gen Z thing that was my generation. Anybody's generation. There
(05:09):
are guys that can't function when they miss shots. But
challenging guys to find the inner self toughness works. But
you have to know which players a challenge. And I'll
just give you something I've learned this year. So that's
a lot of the messaging that I have. Sometimes in
a different way, we've talked about like, look we up
(05:31):
until Sunday. We lost twenty one games in a row.
And there were times in which I try and jump
them at halftime or during a timeout, and they would wilt.
They they're too young, they're not from the type of background.
Some kids you got another background. Some kids can You
can literally call them any name of the book, and
(05:51):
now they start to play. Some you even insinuate that
you're calling them a name, and they're done. They can't play.
And it does doesn't necessarily have to do with how
a hardcore dude is. I played in college with a
guy who is immensely talented. If you got on him personally,
he couldn't play in the second half. But if you said,
the whole team isn't playing hard enough. Now, all of
(06:14):
a sudden, he would play way harder. So you got
to know your team. And it doesn't hurt when're Rick
Patino who's won a national title, ed Kentucky and Louisville
and taking Providence and taking Providence to a Final four
as well. So you have to know your team. You
have to recruit the types of players that respond to
that type of coaching. And if you're you know, a
(06:37):
coach in your seventies who commands respect in every gym
you've ever walked into and people kind of bow at
your feet, well, then you can you can challenge players
and use words that you have done it before, You've
overcome adversity, You've coached better teams. It's just different when
you're younger, you're less experienced. You know, guys can pick
(06:58):
that apart. So I love it, and I think everyone
actually got a couple of texts. I have a guy
named Jerry Smith who just got done with a thirteen
year professional career he played. He's from Milwaukee. He played
for coach p at Louisville for four years. And I
had a couple buddies in the industry text me last weekend,
what's the secret to Rick Patino? And I don't think
(07:20):
the secret is in those impassioned speeches, although that's part
of it, that's part of it. I think a good
portion of it is his. You know, the conditioning aspect
of it builds in the mental toughness of it, and
you're like, well, how does that work? Well, if you're
in grade shape, if you're in great shape in order
(07:41):
to get into greade shape, if you push yourself beyond
the aerobic thresholds, you push yourself beyond any reasonable level
of fatigue. If you can do that, well, then basketball
is easy. That's the message that you relate to players.
So I love it. I'm intrigued. I do know a
little bit about how the sausage is made, and I'm
(08:01):
interested in how this series plays out. Jaseter, you had
some questions about it.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Yeah, you know what, Before I do that, I like
to play our imaging. So can we ask the coach.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
There's a question that needs an answer, and the answer
is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give us that answer.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
No, I'm the head coach.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
I get to set the schedule, hold on let's ask
the coach.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
So my question is this, okay, future recruits, I don't know.
I don't know how people live nowadays, so maybe you
can answer that too. So if I'm the parent of
a potential Division I basketball player, okay, and a guy
a kid who has options, and I see this video
(08:49):
going viral, does the parent of gen z now is?
Are they put off by people addressing their kids that way? No,
it's not something to even consider in the you know,
the old traditional living rooms, you know, like I know,
people live on wine now, so this, I guess this
would be a living room thing. You don't consider the parents.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I'll give you. I'll give you a little bit, okay.
So Sunday, okay, I was. I was very frustrated how
we played in the first half on Friday, and I
thought I thought Friday in the second half, we played
incredibly hard. We didn't necessarily play well, but you know,
(09:35):
a little bit of bad luck. We still don't have
our starting center. You know, A Ton Levy's been out
with a concussion for a couple for both of these games.
He suffered at Monday. He wasn't cleared. So I was
frustrated by that. I was frustrated by how he played
in the first half, and then I was just frustrated,
you know, at the losing whatever. And then we had
maybe the worst shoot around of our season on Sunday morning,
(09:59):
and it's a two o'clock game, so you're trying to
figure out, like do we get them up at nine
o'clock or do we let him sleep in and have
a pre game meal and watch some film. And I decided,
you know what, I'm tired of them being asleep in
the first half. We're getting them up and it looked
like your classic sixth grade team playing at seven am.
Like they were yawning, their hair wasn't comb they hadn't
(10:21):
shaved or brush their teeth or whatever. And I was like, oh, yeah, yu.
And to start the game, we were playing sort of hard,
but we could not score. And I felt like we
didn't get a couple of calls and we're down fifteen
to four to start the game. Just can't We're not executing,
we're not cutting. I thought, maybe we're asleep, we're getting
intimidated all the things, and so I was losing my mind.
(10:43):
I actually got a technical foul, a technical foul, and
my assistant Jordan McKay pulled me aside and he actually
told me, Hey, so and so's dad is here today.
If you want any hope of getting that kid, try
not to act like a crazy person for the next
hour and forty five minutes. And I was like, okay,
(11:06):
we'll stab out, like was I acting that crazy or
we just not playing well? Anyway, we proceed to go
on a twelve zero run and I thought my energy
was on point. The point of it is, I think
there's a way to do it. I don't think. First
of all, it's different ons Rick Patino that has Doug
Gottlieb Right, I've won three games, He's won eight hundred
and national championships. He can get away with things that
(11:26):
I can't. He's a grandpa, so he can tell them
the hard truths, even though we tell them the hard truths.
But what I found is that most parents that's what
they want now. They may not want their kid benched,
they may not want their kids games limited, but they
want them at least told and sort of taught life lessons.
(11:49):
Because it is your job, Like you become their dad,
you have to become their advocate. You have to find
them their first job their first agent, whatever. If they
want to go into coaching, you got to help them
get into coaching as well. So you are like a
father figure. And I haven't had anyone. You know. I
talk to all of my parents, not all my parents,
but I at some point the year, I touch base
with all my parents, and you know, each one of them.
(12:11):
I have to understand. The relationship with the with the
player is different. You know. Uh, my best player, Anthony Roy,
has been out and I never met his dad until
we played Ohio State. His dad looks like Deebo. His
dad's the best. But I don't call his dad all
the time to like, tell on, tell on Anthony when
(12:33):
I'm not But when something's not going the way it's
supposed to be going, I call his dad and his
dad's like, I got it, don't worry about it. And
our deal is is really simple, Jason. Our deal is
neither of us need anything from Anthony. Right, he's doing
well financially, he doesn't like. I would love to have
him back as he's trying to come back from jury.
(12:55):
But if he doesn't like, okay, Like that's the nature
of this this first year, which is we had the
nation's leading scorer and he's gotten hurt if he's not ready,
Like again, I'm not gonna make him play just so
for my team, from my record, from my ego, if
he's not comfortable and ready to play, but all the
other stuff, I got to make sure I'm on top
of him. And our working relationship is we just want
(13:18):
what's best for him. When you wanted to graduate, and
let's figure out next year together while he gets healthy
and he works in his game and he stays out
of trouble. Now I have another parent, I'll just leave
the kid where you know, a kid was doing he
wasn't doing well in one of his classes, and all
I had to say to the player was, Hey, if
(13:39):
this continues, i'm gonna have to call your dad and
talk to him about it. And he was like, coach,
don't call my dad. And sure enough, he didn't do
well on like a subsequent test. I called his dad
and his dad was like, well, he told me he
was doing okay. I was like, not by our standards.
And the kid hasn't missed a study session nothing all
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a's ever since. And all I said was, I don't
think he's giving the level of effort that you and
your family would want him to give it to his
studies done so, the answer to your question is, most
parents want their kids to be disciplined. Most parents want
their kids to understand how to push to adversity. Most
parents want their son to be coached. Want don't want
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their son to be coddled. Most the ones that like
the coddling oftentimes are not the parents. Sometimes they are
like that, and usually that's not a kid you're going
to recruit. And even with those kids, some of them,
you have to You just got to be cast on
which kids you call it individually, because that's when the
parents can get defensive. That's when the players can shut
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down on you.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
I totally get that and allow me to kind of
put it this way, Okay, Uh, my generation and your
generation never had to deal with terms like toxic workplace,
like microaggressions, rip tinos generation obviously not. I just keep
that in mind when I think about like parents of
this generation and you're telling me that they're the parents
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after watching that video would not be deterred because they
are probably thinking, no one has ever spoken to my
son that way, No teacher, not me, not an AAU coach.
That would be seem seem to be like a shocking
thing to hear from somebody, But what you're saying is
that most parents in general welcome that treatment.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yes, interesting, I would say, the only issues you have
with parents, and yes, sometimes coaches can step out of line,
the only issues you have with parents, for the most
part are I mean, again, we treat them well, so
it's not like player treatment, but it's it's more in
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playing time and role in what their short term and
long term future looks like. And then sometimes it's with
other players, you know, in terms of things going on
behind the scenes that a head coach might not be
aware of. For the most part though, in regards to
motivating them, and you know, even calling their generations soft
like they're all parents. They all think they are too.
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So for the most part, that's not an issue, Sam,
you got one, anybody else got one. I listen the
Patino's amazing and his ability to flip things, obviously helped
by by a huge financial backing. And the other part too,
it is you know, he always points out, my team
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can't shoot, yet we still score, we still play well,
and that's because they're unbelievable defensively, and he gets he
went from Remember last year he called out his team
for being slow footed, Well, he scrapped all those guys. Now,
these guys can't shoot, but they are not slow footed,
so it's pretty obvious what he thinks wins.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 2 (17:00):
Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Tradio Live from the tyreck
dot Com studios. John Middlecalfell join us in about four
or five minutes. Get to Die Low with an update
in the second as well. Saw this from ESPN. The
Bengals are hoping to pull off an ambitious and expensive offseason.
They'll attempt to secure a trio stars to new deals,
Jamar Chase, T Higgins and defensive end Trey Hendrickson to
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a long term deal, sources told ESPN. Of course, this
comes in the back of a Super Bowl where Joe
Burrow said he would restructure his contract to keep T Higgins.
To keep Jamar Chase, they offered, you know, T Higgins,
a franchise tag deal, which makes sense, right, You franchise
tag T Higgins, You rework Burrows deal, and then Hendrickson
and Chase and Jamar Chase they signed deals that don't
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kill you against the cap right away, but it does
kick the can down the road. And outside of Trey Hendrickson,
they need a lot of change on defense. Higgins would
be the guy I'd like to move, But I'm guessing
that while they have him in that whole holding holding
pattern of of a of a franchise tag, that's when
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they can look to shop him. But they probably hold
on to him because I don't think he has the
value knowing he wants a gigantic contract and he's only
gonna They're only gonna trade him if he's promised that
gigantic contract. Well that's John Mintakoff for the reality of
that is the first let's scatastical low and cry and
get it. Update Ilo, Good afternoon, Doug.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
The Toronto Blue Jays failed to reach agreement on a
contract extension with star first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Junior by
his Monday deadline, Guerrero entering the final season of his
contract here in twenty twenty five. And here's what Guerrero
himself had to say today.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
Hey ya mente.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Anybody here speaks Spanish? Miny chance. No, well it's a
good thing. I'm just kidding. He did have a translator
with him.
Speaker 8 (18:58):
No, we do not go and agreement today. I mean
they had their numbers. I have my numbers. But you know,
this is business. Like I always say, things happens.
Speaker 7 (19:09):
We all good ESPR reports free agent infielder Justin Turner's
agreed to a one year, six million dollar deal with
the Chicago Cubs pending of physical Los Angeles Angels owner
Ardy Moreno It's old. Reporters today that the Angels are
projected to lose between fifty and sixty million dollars this
year and reiterated that he has no plans to put
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the team up for sale. Finally, in the NFL that
Detroit Lyons hired former Stanford head coach David Shaw as
their new passing game coordinator. Doug Back to you.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Thanks Iilo, Doug Gottlip Show. You're on, Thanks Heilo, Doug
Gatlip Show here on Fox Sports Trader. Let's welcome in
John Metalcough three. Now it's the podcast you here in
the Volume Podcast Network, and we'll start with the Bengals.
How realistic is it that they can resign Hendrickson and
Jamar Chase anti Higgins.
Speaker 9 (19:57):
Well, I think the Hendrickson anytime you pro oritizes a
bass rusher, it's a smart move.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I mean, the guy's.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
An enormous dominant figure. I think you have to look
at how you build the team, and doesn't make sense.
You know, Jamar Chase is obviously not just an elite receiver,
I mean even one of the best players in the NFL.
So you're talking one hundred and thirty hundred and forty
million dollars guaranteed, and you know Brandon Ayuk last year
got seventy five eighty guaranteed, So you're talking to Higgins
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what ninety ish million? So you're I mean, you're investing
two guys at that position at a pretty astronomical number.
You obviously have one of the highest by quarterbacks. And
then if you resigned Hendrickson, that's a lot of money
you know, at a redundant you know, two guys that
play the same position. So to me, I Burrow has
been pretty outspoken. I commend him for supporting his guys,
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and you're doing it in a professional manner. But I
don't know, if that's the right way to build a team,
I personally would try to do like a tag of
trade or something. But I think they are a little
worried that, you know, Burrow is not happy with everything
going on.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Totally understand. Doug Gottlieb show, you're on Fox Sports Trader.
That's the voice of John Middlecall three Now is his podcast. Okay,
let's talk quarterback market, all right? What do you think
happens to stam Darnald?
Speaker 9 (21:16):
You know, I think the last two games were pretty jarring,
and I thought he was going to get a contract extension.
I would say the feel of it right now now. Granted,
I think we're going to have a lot more information
coming out next week at.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
The combine when O'Connell and the.
Speaker 9 (21:32):
GM are meeting with agents, but it does feel like
they're probably gonna let him hit the free agent market.
And you know, Baker Mayfield's number is kind of unique, right,
one hundred million dollars guaranteed for a guy that.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
I'd say last year was what a top seventy.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
Eight quarterback in the NFL through forty plus touchdowns and
just the iath, I mean, he was pretty darn good
most of the year. Is Donald that good? And I
don't know, I'd rather have Baker Maye Field on my
team in Sam Donald, but that's would he even accept
the number like that? He got the type number that
teams would be willing to, you know, get in business
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with him. And the difference though, is Jason White gave
him that extension. They'd already had him for a year,
so they knew him pretty well. I think when we
talk about Sam Donald's like, I don't see Minnesota probably
giving him that. Now, well, the Raiders, the Giants, some
of these other teams in the quarterbacks, are they going
to jump in with a guy that they don't know?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
So I'm pretty fascinated.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
I could you could convince me that he gets something
like that. He convinced me he gets a one year,
twenty five to thirty million dollar deal. Maybe he goes
back with the Minnesota Vikings for a year.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
I think it's all on the table with him.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, Doug got the show here on Fox Sports Tradio Books.
John Middlecoffe is our guest and so, uh you know,
I'm I'm intrigued by Aaron Rodgers, Okay, because he goes
back to New York okay. And you know, there's two
different stories that come out. One as any want him back,
and they was like, well, we want him back, but
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we don't want them back. If he wants to do McAfee,
if he wants to skip stuff, whatever, all reasonable things.
And Jay Glazier's tweet was basically, hey, if he didn't
want to play football anymore, why would he go back
and talk to the Jets about come back and playing football?
So I guess the first thing is, do you think
he wants to play football some more? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (23:22):
I mean I think most of these guys, I think
if recent memory shows that they kind of got to
get really pushed out. I mean Peyton Manning that last
year couldn't throw, and remember that offseason he was sniffing
around up. He didn't want to retire, but no one
would really take him. You know, Roethlisberger and Freeze their
arms kind of fell off, And I don't think either
of them wanted to quit. I just don't think they
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had really any other options. There aren't many jobs in
America that they even if Aaron Rodgers has to take
a big pay cut like Gardner, Mitschew got fifteen million
dollars last year. You're telling me the Titans wouldn't give
Rogers twenty five million dollars. I mean, it's just a
high tank job that brings a lot to the table
in terms of publicity, people taking care of you. Obviously,
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it's fun to play. I mean, you get to play
a little kids game at forty years old.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
So yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 9 (24:09):
Think in his mind, he goes, I can still play
a little bit. Maybe he's, you know, not naive enough
to think that he's still as good as he once was,
but he knows he's still a functional player in the league.
So I would imagine he's definitely interested. But I also
think you got a factor in where what are his options?
You know, I floated this out on the podcast. If
you think about it, like Brady's got a bunch of money.
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You know, you got Aikman, you got Romo. Well, Amazon
Curbstreet was kind of a filler because remember they wanted McVeigh,
they wanted John Lynch, and those guys just wouldn't leave,
Like why wouldn't you know Aaron Rodgers, you know, forever
It's like, well, you'd keep playing over broadcasting. But now
broadcasting they can pay a fifteen twenty million dollars keep
him in the line lights a primetime game. He clearly is,
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you know, intelligent enough to old conversations. We've seen him
do these long form interviews. I wonder that would be
interested in thing to him and to me if I'm Amazon,
I definitely placed the call, Aaron would would you be
willing to do this?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No question? But again, let's like, let's let's I don't know,
you know, I think he'd be great, But again, he'd
have to want to be great. And the first thing
is he wants to play. Okay, we all think he
wants to play. Okay, he's not going to play in
a system that he doesn't know. So it's either going
to be you know that the system he ran late
(25:25):
in Green Bay, which is like mcveigh's system or the
West Coast system. Right, those those are the two of
the teams that are out there that need a quarterback,
and there's a bunch of them. Well, would Oakland fit that?
If not? Who I am Oakland? Sorry, we'd Las Vegas
hit fit that? If not? Who would like?
Speaker 9 (25:43):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't I don't think Kip Kelly.
I mean, he kind of likes the quarterback to one
a little bit, uh to meet Chip Kelly, Aaron Rodgers.
I'm harol, that seems like a lot going on there.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's that's a lot.
Speaker 9 (25:56):
I think, you know, the Titans Callahan's background, you know,
with Joe Burrow's playing around, I could see Aaron Rodgers,
you know, I think he has a place in Nashville.
I do think that's one to just kind of keep
an eye on. If we just assume, like I would imagine,
he's kind of weighing out all his options. Again, he's
gonna have to take a dramatic takeup. I mean, even
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at this point his days of being super highly paid.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Now, Phil, your low pay.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
Twenty million dollars is a pretty good gig.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
But I think that's kind of the.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Numbers we're talking about now. I was thinking his age,
you know, sometimes you know.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
He's like, well, wait till after the draft to pick
a spot.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
No, don't do that.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Ye you don't care, right.
Speaker 9 (26:35):
You know, like you can sign now and they draft
a quarterback, like you understand what you're getting in business with.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
But I don't know.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
I mean, he's kind of got to make like he's
going to have legitimate offers. I would imagine over the
next ten days or at least, people very very interested,
because if you're gonna sign Aaron Rodgers, you probably want
to sign him right with free agency open Sea and
kind of build your team and kind of build your
draft process around that option.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, and it's it's interesting. I mean, i'll tell you
one of this issues.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I don't think he's a lock to play though. I
don't think he's a lock to play.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
No, because you know, he's going to want all the things,
and it's one of those I don't think it's about money,
but he is going to require some money. He obviously
wants to play, but he doesn't want to play in
a bad team, you know. So it's going to have
to be somebody who needs a quarterback that he feels
like he could win with.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I would say the Steelers.
Speaker 9 (27:25):
You know, he's he's played in cold for a long time,
so he's comfortable now. The one problem is in that division,
it's a pretty hard hitting division, you know, and I
think the one thing want to get hit. Yeah, and
it happened to Brady that last year. And again I
don't blame anyone that is that rich, that accomplished and
forty plus years old, does not want to get touched,
and it's hard. It's pretty hard to play in the
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AFC North without getting.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Hit, right, Yeah, it's it's kind of impossible. I mean,
what about Indy Is that crazy?
Speaker 9 (27:56):
No, they would basically be saying I mean that they
would have pretty big regret they're on the quarterback, which
I wouldn't blame them for basically acknowledging it, but that'd
be essentially what they're doing. It also would be a
little bit of a no pun attending because he's a
great hail mary thrower, but a little bit of a
hail mary trying to save those their.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Jobs, I guess.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
But you know that division indoors, they definitely have some
offensive weapons. Yeah, I mean they have an offensive coach
who shows who shown he's very adaptive by I meaning
can coach from Flaco to Gardner Minshew to Anthony Richson,
Jalen Hurts, Philip Rivers. They would be nuts not to
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at least inquire and talk to him, and again I
think his representation who knows, maybe him. They're going to
have some legit conversation starting next Tuesday Wednesday over the
course of you know, the combine what you see on.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
TV the kids working out and stuff.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
A majority of it is the GM, the front office
and the head coach, you know, dealing with perspective either
free agents, their own guys and situations like Aaron Rodgers
Stuck Gottleab show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of John Middlecoff.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, the whole thing is just it. I don't know,
it's super super interesting, uh, super interesting to me. With
the running backs having the success they had this year,
I don't think that ends the discussion that running backs
were underpaid whatever, because wasn't the argument not about paying
them for one year. It was about paying them three
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years guaranteed, and then the end of this year becomes
the more interesting year.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
No, yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 9 (29:40):
Think part of it is these receivers, Like how many
of these high end receivers equal winning and the high
end receivers quad you know, not quadrupled, but you know,
sak one is getting what thirteen fourteen a year, the
high end receivers are making thirty to thirty four million dollars.
So it goes, Hey, if I'm stake One Barley, if
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I'm Alvin Kamara, if I'm Christian McCaffrey, Like, when I'm
on the field, I am as important as these guys,
and they're.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Making double what I'm making.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
So I just you know, it takes a while for
it to catch up.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
What I think is going to happen.
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Besides the top guys, you have to wonder if there's
gonna be a little bit of a slowdown in the
wide receiver market. You know, does it make sense for
a non Jamar chase, for non Ceedee Lamb to pay
these guys that much money I would invest in other positions.
So I think we're going to see more of a
correction there for the non elite guys than we are
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going to see some like huge jump in the running
back market because company. I mean, there's a small number
of guys that you really feel are complete difference makers,
and some of them, you know, Jacobs and Saquon signed
contracts last year.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Is this the year that we see a drop off
for the Kan City Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
I mean I thought they would lose in the playoffs
this year, and they didn't. I mean last year they
just found a way to win a bunch of games.
I think they will have a big offseason. I think
their offense has got to be better. You don't see
Andy reives offense down for long.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I mean.
Speaker 9 (31:09):
And the other thing is, you know, we talk a
lot about these young hungry gms, right the kind of
the new age NFL GM is much more like the
basketball and baseball GM for years. Andy somewhat of an outlier,
like he's an older guy, but.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
He's been making big moves for twenty twenty five plus years.
Speaker 9 (31:29):
So I would never count them out of like, oh,
the Chiefs just traded their first round pick for player X,
so that they will be extremely aggressive. I mean they are.
They're kind of operating right now like you did if
you have Lebron James on your team for a long
period of time. You're kind of living in the moment.
So I definitely wouldn't count It's going to be harder
like you would expect. Like if the Bengals played that
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season ten times, that's probably the worst outcome they could
play of the ten times. Obviously, the Chargers and the
Broncos are not only going to improve, but I mean,
those coaches are not going to be intimidated by the
Chiefs and the Ravens and the Bills are just really,
really high level organization. So it's it's hard to make
it out of the AFC on a yearly basis, and
you can credit year.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
They beat the bill twice and they beat the Ravens,
so it's like making.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Their business somehow, somehow they do it. Hey, that's John Mittcoff,
NFL analyst Score, our host of the three Now podcast
the Volume Podcast Network. John, Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
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Speaker 2 (32:32):
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End of the first hour, we like to play a game.
(32:52):
Here's Isaac Longcron.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
This is game time.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
What do you got?
Speaker 7 (33:03):
But all right, let's see what's in the mix for today.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Rank them.
Speaker 7 (33:07):
Start by having your rank the top three teams in
the NBA's Western Conference. Oh geez, did you say OKC
or OG? Sorry?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Oh? I mean yeah. I'm just gonna tell you right now,
like I don't think I'm actually the best gauge for this,
Like this is just me being honest. I think I know,
but I can't tell you I have a great field.
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I don't know if anybody has a great fiel because
the regular season has not matched the postseason. But here's
what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Okay, that's okay, Honesty is the best policy.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Number three, Number three, Number three, I'm gonna go with
the Dallas Mavericks. Okay, they went to the finals last year.
I know there's no Luca, a completely different team, but
I'm assuming Anthony Davis comes back healthy. And when Anthony
Davis was healthy with the Lakers, they went to the
Western Conference finals. I think he's that good. I do,
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and they get long term, Lakers win short term. I
think the Mavericks win. Mavericks at three, Nuggets at two,
and Thunder at one.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Very good. You want to try the Eastern Conference? Same deal?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Do I want to?
Speaker 6 (34:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, I of course, of course. Number three, number three,
I'm gonna go with the New York Knickerbockers. Everybody knows.
I have a healthy infatuation with Jalen Brunson and his game.
I like the Karl Anthony Towns move. I don't think
you win a title with him, but I like to move.
Gives him an elite three point shooter, whereas Bunson plays
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in a lane. Number two Cleveland Cavaliers, Number one, Boston Celtics.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
All right, next right, the top three current head coaches
in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Top three current head coaches in college basketball? What is this?
Is this all time?
Speaker 7 (35:13):
No current current?
Speaker 6 (35:14):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
No? I mean in terms of their entire career this season? Uh,
what does it mean?
Speaker 7 (35:20):
Let's go across the board, entire career.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, tom Izzo at three, Bill Self at two, Patino
at one.
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Okay, Hey, you know what on a related story regarding Patino,
because you rank him number one there and spoke very
highly of him earlier, you said, arguably the best peer
coach in college basketball history.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
All around coach, all around coach.
Speaker 7 (35:47):
I'm curious where would you rank Larry Brown. Not necessarily
just college because he did college and approach to a
more successful attempt than Patina, But where would you have
Larry Brown in that matrix.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
A's in any conversationists, I'm the great coach of all time.
The Patino thing is interesting because you know he he
also coaches his assistants. He's you know, they all have
to be in great shape. They have to give scaring
ports without notes like there's just that thing is a machine.
Once he gets the thing going, it's a machine. And
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you know, he was the first to embrace the three
point shot. Really self has been the most successful and
the most dominant. Obviously, I know they they struggled the
last couple of years in the Big twelve, but he's
been unbelievable at Kansas and winning two national titles and
then Izzo's only one one national title. But his ability
to be consistently successful, and the culture that they build,
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the way they play, especially a place where you're not
you know, they've never been cheating, and I don't think
you know, I'm sure they have healthy nil but not
the level of you know, some of the teams in
the SEC. I don't think anybody argue with with ISO.
So where would Larry Brown be I don't know, I mean,
he's Larry Brown's a great coach. Lery Brown did get
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his last three schools, UCLA, Kansas and SMU on probation
we left.
Speaker 7 (37:09):
There would seem to be some sort of commonality there.
And you know what, one more quick fallout before we
move on to our next item. Uh, it's a fine I.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Think here here's I will say this, like the Patino
thing at Louisville. The story's they're not great there at
the end. I think there's some plausible deniability in terms
of you know, when you're in your seventies, you know
you don't know or want to know what's going on
on visits. You just did we get the kid? Do
we not to get to get the kid? You know
you didn't? You don't You didn't ask him what he
did last night? You're like, did you have fun last night? Right?
(37:38):
That that's how it works on a visit. But I
will say, and i've I'm like the rare proponent that
we need the NCAA, we need a legislating body. But
ailough we can. I could pay a player a million
dollars next year. Do you know what I can't do?
Speaker 7 (37:55):
Make sure they're healthy, make sure they make shots.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
No, No, what I can't do is I can't leave
a cheesehead on their bed at their hotel room when
they come on a visit.
Speaker 7 (38:06):
Oh, that's an impermissible benefit.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Apparently permissible to pay somebody millions of dollars. Not permissible
in terms of recruiting incentive.
Speaker 7 (38:16):
Ah, what a world. In terms of what we heard
from Patino earlier in the Tough Love Thing, I'm curious,
have you ever read a Season on the Brink, the
book about Okay, how would you compare would you heard
from Patino to what Bobby Knight said in that book alone?
To one guy, Darryl Thomas.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Team fair boy? All right? As one of my assistants,
Eric Sanders, like to say, coach, you're an old soul.
Just be careful not to be too old of the soul.
Speaker 7 (38:45):
Y very well said. All right, And that is it
for today's edition of Rank Them.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
This is game time on the du Godleaf Show.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Gotleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, next hour,
we got to talk to Netflix. They want to get in.
Apparently on the NFL, KD has a message to NBA
fans who don't like how hard the guys play in
the All Star Game? Is it the right message? Is
(39:22):
it the right message? Really? Interesting, interesting story, but coming
up next. Yesterday, I was traveling and when I landed,
all of a sudden, for the second consecutive day, my
phone started buzzing, and this one was just about Lebron James,
and I didn't I didn't know anything about Lebron James,
(39:44):
so I had made a cognitive decision to not look
at the bird. We'll talk about it next to The
dou Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio,
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