July 24, 2025 • 42 mins
Doug Gottlieb reacts to the passing of Wrestler Hulk Hogan and discusses whether wrestlers are athletes. Plus, Andrew Brandt joins the show, the crew have a draft on their favorite wrestlers, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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and other stuff over the next couple of hours. So
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I heard Isaac Lohencron start the update with with the
passing of Hulk Hogan. And I'm not criticizing Isaac, Okay,
So again, like I don't tell Isaac what to lead,
he doesn't tell me what to lead with. And I
do think that Hulk Hogan dying at the age of
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like seventy one is a big story. I just personally
tell you that the things that he was outed for
for saying on a recording to me are reprehensible, and
so it's hard for me to feel like a guy
is an icon when that's the way he spoke about people.
But nonetheless, I do think there's a bunch of different
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lessons in Hulk Hogan dying. Right, that's the thing. And no,
I'm not going rule of three, as Jay s dou
kind of eerily predicted. I think it was two days ago.
He's like, you know what they're gonna say, it comes
in threes. And with Ozzie dying, and with Malcolm Jamal
Warner dying and now Hulk Hogan dying, everybody from the
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eighties is dying. And maybe that's actually the lesson, not
the rule of three. It's that because I was thinking
about this on how we still, especially in the NBA,
but some in the NFL, we grip to this belief
that athletes aren't going to age, that who they were
last year is who they're going to be this year
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and next year. Again, it's the age old thing of
why I agree with not having multi year, lengthy, guaranteed
contracts in the National Football League. I don't care if
that sounds like I'm anti athlete. I'm not. I'm a realist.
I mean, heck, even justin fields. And I think he
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may have dislocated a toe. We don't know which toe.
It happened earlier today, but it caused you to hold
your breath. But the idea is, in football, you are
just one hit away from never playing again. And most
guys outside of the quarterback position, and even sometimes when
you get to your late thirties in the quarterback position,
that you age overnight, you're just not the same guy
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you used to be in any way, So maybe that's
what it is. Maybe it's like we make fun of
the Clippers because the Clippers have gone to James harden
Kawhi's a little bit longer in the tooth and oft
injured and now Chris Paul And you're like, dude, really,
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I mean this team ten years ago amazing. This year
that'll make the playoffs? Then what But we only do
it for Chris Paul. We don't do it for the Lakers, right,
we don't do it talk about Lebron Remember last year,
heading into the playoffs, We're like, hey, I think they
got a chance. They had no chance. Why, he's a
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shell of his former self, especially the defensive end, as
he should be forty years old. He's amazing for forty,
but he's still forty. So maybe the start of the
show is age is just a number, or maybe it's
that Hulk Hogan Tiger Woods. Now Hulk Hogan was never
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presented like Tiger Woods was, but he was when we
were all Hulko maniacs. He was like an American icon.
But just like wrestling itself, it's fake. Everything about it
was fake, and please stop with the Those guys get hurt.
They do get hurt, they do jump off things, but
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they do the same thing with park Or people get
hurt doing Parker. Only difference is it's a planned out act.
In wrestling, they are really talented athletic actors. That's what
they are. They're not athletes. They may have been an
athlete in a different life. It is not an athletic
endeavor because it's planned out. It is scripted. The winner
and the loser is all scripted, as are the actions
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within the ring. Within reason like it's it's it's art,
it's not sports. Sports can be art, but art does
not always be sports, and in this case, it's it's
more of an art. But once we found out who
Hulk really was, you're like, well, that's not the American
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icon I thought or I was sold right, And maybe
that's the story of Hulk Hogan so many of other
things in our childhood. If you're of my age, Like again,
you start childhood from WWE all the way up to
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when you had the home run chase for Bonds and Sosa.
I mean for uh maguire and Sosa. That was like
college years. So it's like those are those are the
bookends of childhood. Childhood ends when college ends. Really it
was all bs And you might sit there and go
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like you're a cynic. I'm not. I actually believe in
the good of people. Maybe that's why I feel so
scorn at the fact that my dad used to tell me,
like that's real. It's not real, Bob, It's not just
like the presentation of an American icon, like Hulk Hogan
wasn't real. It wasn't real. He's just an actor. He
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played a role than who he was in real life.
Wasn't that great. Maybe it's the trappings of fame. Whatever
it is. I do think there's takeaways. I let me
ask you a question. Do you consider this is just again,
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you're allowed your opinion. I have mine. Was Hulk Hogan
an athlete?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And what to kinda do comedia in the largest arms
in the world.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Brother, that's my response. No, it's a brother, It's it's
a valid question.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think the I think maybe a more. No, the
answer is no, he it was a it was sports entertainment,
although I completely.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It was not sports entertainment. It's not sports.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You're you're letting the WWE get to you with like ah,
we changed it to w entertainment, like real wrestling. That's why,
I honestly think it's one of the reasons UFC and
and you know, MMA is so popular because it's real wrestling,
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whereas we were sold fake wrestling for so long. So
how old were you when you found out it.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Was fake last last Thursday? No, I was thinking about
this this morning. I I deep down knew it was fake.
But I think why this is such a big story
and it evokes so much is less about as you said,
who Hulk Hogan was. That was not his given name,
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of course, but rather the memories it evoked from a
certain generation when we were all growing up because part
of the charm of sports is nostalgia, and especially when
you're growing up in that age, you don't realize that
there's a real life where things probably aren't as clean
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cut as they might seem when you get fed at
via mass media, especially during that time, and when you
have sorted the innocence of youth.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, that's honestly, it's a beautifully put series of sentences.
It's really well done, really well done. Sam. You're you're younger,
was there ever? I think part of it is because
you're you're not that much younger, but you're young enough
to where you were always in on it, right, you
always knew that it wasn't real, correct, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, never never yeah, never confused uh, pro wrestling
with like Iowa wrestling, which I mean, he's not even
the same wrestling. It's not even the same style of wrestling.
You don't have all these crazy stunts and stuff in
regular you know, collegiate wrestling, right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Because you can't actually do that if you're actually gonna
wrestle somebody, like doesn't actually happen that way.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And there's not actually a whole lot of like wrestling,
like actual sport of wrestling in pro wrestling. It's more
of like violent fighting and with some grappling and stuff,
but it's it's it's not the same thing. But yeah,
I never thought it was never thought it was real.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
During during the Kulk generation, if you will, I would
say there was more, Like I said, I'm not gonna
say it was competitive sports at all, but there was
a lot more seemingly athleticism than how it is now,
when it's way excessively based on storylines and anything but
the match.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Okay, again, I'm a fully disclosed I have never been
an avid watcher of WWF or WWE or any or
www dot com. Like I just have not. Hey, I
would tell you though that I think and I yes,
the storylines have become big. I do think that there's
the stunts now in some ways are more dramatic than
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they were then. Maybe I could be wrong, but I
don't know if I feel that's the case.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I feel like some of the stunts from the eighties
and nineties were like the people died like people, They
put their lives on the line a little more, you know. Yeah, Like, uh,
and I'm pleased, I'm not I'm not a pro wrestling. Well,
and also like what is it. Uh, I'm sorry, I'm
gonna miss quote this, but it's like rage in the
Cage or you know, the stuff where like guys were
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jumping off of like two story basically lengths and falling
on each other and Helen Cel. Yeah yeah, rage in
a cage, Yeah, I know. But but there was there
was stuff that were in the nineties. These people were
These people were putting their lives on the line to
entertain people.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They were not putting their lives.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Oh, they absolutely were, doug They absolutely were. There were
times where guys were jumping off of like forty feet
up and you know, someone could break your neck, and
you know, people are I mean, you know you had
you had time. I remember watching a documentary and it
was called like it was like selling. It was called
selling the you know, selling the sports, selling out is
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what they called it. It was like you'd take a
razor blade, you have it hidden under your thumb and
you'd like wipe your brow and you cut your like
it was real blood and stuff. Yeah, it was. It
was all predetermined. But I would definitely call these guys athletes.
I absolutely would. And I think there's a lot of
crossover between sports and pro wrestling. You say, George Kittle
is basically setting up his next career, uh in pro
wrestling by kind of the the persona he puts on
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the field now and in in interviews.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
But is it sports? It's not, it's not. Why is
it a sport?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I didn't say it's a sport. I said they're athletes.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
At the athletes. But but they're athletic actors. They're not athletes.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Okay, we're arguing semantics here. I don't think it's competition.
It's predetermined competition. But they are athletes because they are.
They have to be in certain shape, they have to
you know, it's not competition. There's a I think there's
a difference there.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Like was uh uh Andre the Giant? Was he an athlete?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Absolutely, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Was just a giant. He walked around, things around. He
was not but he used his body.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
He used his body.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
If he was athletic at all, he would have played
in the NBA. That's an athlete.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Wasn't he a world champion drinker?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Though?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Outside the ring? I mean, I've heard stories.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
We have all kinds of ways of defining athletes. Now,
Joey Chestnuts an athlete I guess right, No.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
He's not an athlete. No, he's eating his nuts. I
guess we can.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
We can, we can disagree on that. But these some
of these guys, you know, you can't. You can't be
a you know, a fetch club in the ring. You'll
get hurt worse. I definitely think these guys are athletes,
just this way. I'd say that, like, you know, stock
car drivers are athletes. It's just a different kind of athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Uh. This is the Doug ottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
So so Sam you how old are you? Sam?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Thirty eight?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Right? So I think Ilo, howld are you?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
None of your mind? Forty five?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Care you're forty five? So I'm like, I'm forty nine.
I think the cutoff is it's like I low and
maybe forty two, forty three, Like, let's just go forty
to above, forty and above. I can almost guarantee you
we'll try this via tweet and Instagramkay, I'm guessing that
if you're forty years older, there was a time in
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your life where people were arguing and you may have
been like me, it was like it's fake the whole time.
But there's a time in your life when somebody that
you care about thought it was real. My dad, Wow,
how could it be fake? And then some things would
be so over the top fake. You'd be like, how
can you fake that fall? How can you? How can
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you do it? But you can and they did, and
you Yes, accidents happened, but Acksent's happened on movie sets
as well. So things do happen. Guys go boom, they're athletics,
they're just stunt men. But the point is that there
was there was this window where people enough people thought
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it might be real. They just they just did. They
did a good enough job of selling it. It was
positioned in a way where they were larger than life
sports figures. I remember I flew cross country when I
was let's see here, I think it was I want
to say eighth grade, right, so I'm fourteen, that's nineteen ninety.
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I flew cross country around Christmas time to stay with
my uncle who lived in Stanford, Connecticut. I flew NonStop
Melics to JFK, and Hulk Hogan was sitting in first class.
But he arrived like late and was like the first
one off the plane was like escort it on and
escorted off and I'm telling you next. So Ronald Reagan,
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he was probably the biggest. He was that big. He
was literally that big. I mean, I think of all
the actors of that time, but for our generation, and
I Loo, I'll circle you into that, even though you're
a little younger than me, Hulk Hogan was huge. Remember
they sold out the Silverdome ninety three thousand people. I'll
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never forget that, right all for all for was it
Super Slam or whatever, what wrest WrestleMania three.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You're and you're absolutely right about capturing just how big
he was at that exact time in America. I would
say mid eighties was his absolute peak, especially with kids.
You know, uh, say your prayers, eat your vitamins, the
thirty one inch pythons, sayings like that. You absolutely captured
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at that time how big he was in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
All right, Tess, So so send us a send us
a tweet message on ig how old were we? How
old were you? When you're like, this is not real?
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
It's Doug Otlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're
having a great day. It's the summer, middle of summer, right,
slugging it out, talking uh fake wrestling. It is interesting though,
right like I'm I'm listening and we were acting like
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the Pope died. And don't get me wrong, there was
a time when Hulk Hogan was bigger than the Pope.
But yeah, I don't know, he was somebody we should
be idolizing, memorializing, even on the day of his passing.
That's that's just me. That's how I that's how I roll.
Andrew Brandt in a moment, talk some NFL contracts and
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uh and and really what it's like when guys run
out there in pads for the first time when you
remember the front office as he used to be. But first,
let me get you to Isaac Low and Kron get
a quick update and everything in sports Ilo.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
All right, Doug Indeed, pro wrestling legend hulk Ho passed
away at the age of seventy one after he suffered
a cardiac arrest at his home in Clearwater, Florida. Again.
He was seventy one years old. In the National Football League,
New York Jets quarterback Justin Fields dislocated a toe on
his right foot in practice today, but Fields is expected
to be ready for the regular season opener against the
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Pittsburgh Steelers. Elsewhere, an MRI I confirmed that Miami Dolphins
cornerback Already Burns tore his ACL in practice yesterday. Burns
is expected to miss the twenty twenty five season and
one Major League Baseball game going on right now in Cleveland.
The Baltimore Orioles, despite two home runs by Stephen Kwan,
lead the Cleveland Guardians four to three in the bottom
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half of the eighth inning. Doug back to you.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
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Let let's let's start with a yearly discussion in the
Dallas Cowboys and the methodology behind Jerry Jones. Right. I'd
rather wait to wait too long than sign a guy
too early. Last year, of course, he acquiesced and signed
Dak Prescott, who missed half the season. What are your
thoughts on Micah Parsons and why he has an ink
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to long term deal? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:32):
Good be with you, Doug. It is every year we
talk about it. It's just a modus operandi with the
Cowboys that I don't understand. No one seems to understand it.
I'll give you a couple possible rationales, although they don't
make a ton of sense. But it's basically he waits
and waits and waits, and sometimes makes even remarks that
could seem disparaging like he did the other day, but
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at the end of the day, pays top of the market.
He paid top of the market for Cede Lamb, who
actually missed camp almost with a blessing, unlike Parsons who's there.
And then, as everyone knows, he paid Prescott on two
hours before the opening game against Cleveland last year. They'd
been negotiating all summer with a contract at fifty five
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fifty six million a year, and he gave him sixty
million a year, the biggest contract in the history of
the sport. I would estimate it all happen with Parsons.
I would think, you know, over under September third, we're
going to see a huge contract for Parsons and maybe
the highest non quarterback contract in history, more than JJ
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Watt I'm sorry, TJ Watt, and more than Michael maybe
even Miles at Cleveland. Yeah, Miles got to Cleveland. So
it's going to happen. Here's my thought on why I've
racked my brain. Maybe he just thinks they might get hurt,
you know, and then the contracts on hold, so it
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could get hurt between now and September or whenever he
does the deal and the other thing. Again, it sounds trite,
but with someone like Jerry Jones who counts his money,
maybe he just would rather have it in his account
instead of Parsons account until the last possible minute. That's
the only explanations I can come up with, all.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right, I mean, we're all trying to figure it out.
Drew Brant joins us the business of sports is his domain. Okay,
take me to Cleveland, right, guy leads him in sacks
two consecutive years, but he's over the age of thirty.
But they put all this money into offense. And before
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we get to not having your first round draft pick
under contract yet, let's start with the defensive side of
the ball. What do you think of the Bengals and
that statement from Mike Brown as to why they haven't
come to terms.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
Yeah again, Hendrickson another weird one. It's a little different
than Dallas because we know, at the end of the day,
Dallas who is going to pay top of the market.
I don't since that at all about Mike Brown and Cincinnati.
They're always the most penurious team in the league. I've
experienced that as an agent many years ago, and even
as a colleague. They're tough. Before we get to the
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rookie I think Hendrickson will get done. I think it'll
get done in the next couple of weeks. I don't
think he'll be at the level of eventually Parsons, of
Garrett of what maybe not of Max Crosby. So it
may not be high thirties, but it'll be a lot
more than he's making now. And I just think they'll
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both realize this is where we are, So, you know,
best guess thirty two million a year or something like that,
which is great, but it's not top of the market.
I just think that's where the Browns are. The tougher one.
Doug is that rookie. And again people have asked me
a lot about this does basically determine what you're going
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to make in a rookie contract. We know what Chamar's
threw at their top pick is going to make, how
much bonus, how much per year. What it doesn't tell
you is how to negotiate the contract beyond that, how
many guarantees, what's the language like, what's the offsets? And
here are the issue is language. So Mike Brown and
the Bengals want to impose language that other teams use
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we use in Green Bay. The Eagles have it, the
Rams have it. If you have a default at any
point in the contract, and default can be defined as
a suspension, a conduct, detrimental discipline, something that takes you
off the field, and it can be even broader than that,
the rest of the contract loses its guarantees. So this
is going to be a four year guaranteed contract. If
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something were to happen in year one, he'd still have
the contract, but it wouldn't be guaranteed. And they're trying
to impose this as they've never had it before. They
don't know anything against Shamar's Stewart, although the language from
Mike Brown was really disturbing, you know, But they just
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want imposed in their contracts so that next year, the
year after and forever. This is not a negotiation. They say, well,
now we got it in our contracts, so it's always
tough to do the first time. But they've been behind
other teams and getting this in.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Is it an unreasonable ask what Mike Brown's trying to
get through.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Yes and no, No, because other teams have it. Yes,
because they had a number one pig last year who's
picked lower than Shamar Stewart, he didn't have it, and
their response is, well, here we go. We're starting in
twenty twenty five. It all comes down optionality, Doug, as
you know, and leverage. I don't see schamar Stewart having
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any other options and people he's not going back to
Texas A and M please, No, he's not. He'd have
to win a lawsuit that would take months off years.
He is has no options, so I think he'll sign.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I tend to agree with you. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show only on Fox Sports Radio. We're so happy
to be joined by the guru of business himself. That's
that's Andrew Brant. Andrew, there's a change in leadership in
Green Bay, right, And what's that mean for how the
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Packers do business?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I don't think much because before my time, my time
and since my time, the president is important and obviously
directs the franchise from a leadership view, from strategy, from
doing a lot off the field with real estate, with politics,
with buying up land around title towns. But there's a
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tremendous difference in the Packers and always has been to
the football operation. They don't get involved now they could
fire the coach. They could hire the coach, they could
fire the GM. I get that, but there is deference
to when it was Ron Wolfer, Ted Thompson and now
Brian gutakuntzt to run the team the way they want
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and not get involved in their tech management and not
get involved in who they pick, and not get involved
in free agency discussions. So the Packers are a very
much in your lane team where coaches coach, scout scout,
management manages, and general manager picks the players. So I
don't think it'll change too much. Policy is a longtime fixture.
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As everyone knows his father with the forty nine ers
in Browns. It's a royalty name in the NFL. He'll
fit in seamlessly. He's in there a while. So yeah,
and I was asked about him and the whole process,
and I was very pro policy because I thought continuity
is always important in any organization.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Hey, so, Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio,
what do you make of the turmoil atop the NFLPA.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
You know, Doug, it's been a mess a long time,
and this is just another indication that there's been an
air of secrecy of veil around that organization. Since Sheen
Upshall left and people have reached out to me former
players ask me that same question. I just I think
(29:22):
it needs a revamp. It reads a redo, it it
has to allow for some transparency. I don't know what
they've done negotiation wise, where they give away a seventeenth game,
they give away economic concessions, and all they end up
with is better practice time and reduced padded practices. I mean,
someone's got to get in there and say we're a
real union. We're not just going to say, well, we'll
(29:43):
never strike. We have too many players like do something
about it. And this latest thing is just, you know,
my action is everyone's reaction. How in the world did
they end up with this guy who has no football knowledge,
no football experience, and has all these personal pecadillos that
we've now found out about. And I mean, you couldn't
(30:03):
ask for a worse process. So I don't know. I
mean I'm looking at it like you are, and like,
what the heck what is going on with these people?
So hopefully it's a whole reset. I know players want that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah. Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Andrew
Brandt is our guest. Because of because of the allegations
of collusion, right which which came out, there's this continued
talk of the fully guaranteed contracts. And again I'll be
(30:36):
fully I'll fully disclose to you a lot of the
people I talked to summer agents, but a lot of
them are on the front office side, and their stances like, hey,
the only ones pushing for all this stuff is the agents.
Because there is that the fully guaranteed contracts would happen,
they would just be less money in less years than
(30:57):
people want to have happened. And the old reason that
hasn't happen is because the agents want to win. You know,
the the tweet that says my guy got two hundred
right the pr to it. What's the reality? You bet
you know this game way better than anybody else. What's
the reality to who's behind the push for the fully guaranteed,
(31:19):
lengthy contracts.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Well, I think it's I guess I'll say this. It
has to start somewhere. We talked about this for three years.
Deshaun Watson set the stage. Regardless of what you think
of him, what do you think of the Browns? It
was there and we just talked about precedent with the
Cincinnati Bengals. I'm a lawyer. Precedent's everything, So their precedent
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was there, and those three people that brought the grievance,
Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray faced against an uphill
battle with that precedent, where the teams are like, no,
we don't think that's precedent. And in those three situations,
I think there was collusion and I think there was
bad acting. So in terms of who's behind it, it's
(32:05):
just trying to break the seal. Whether it will trickle
down beyond elite quarterbacks ever, I don't think so. I
just don't think the league's built that way, and all
the reasons you just mentioned, but I think those three quarterbacks,
and then behind them was Burrow and Hertz and Herbert,
you know there's no reason it shouldn't be. And the
(32:26):
team can say, which they do say, is well, he's
Patrick Mahomes, he's Josh Allen, he's Joe Burrow. It's like
it's guaranteed. Well, it's really like it's guaranteed to just
guarantee it, because without the guarantee, you know, the team
still has leverage. Like if you have a bad performance,
they can reduce your contract because you're under contract. So
(32:47):
I think it's a it's a limited sample size, so
maybe fifteen quarterbacks they should have that. There should there's
no reason they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
He's Andrew Brett. He is the guru of the business
of sports. She got the Sunday seven newsletter? Andrew, how
can somebody get the Sunday seven newsletter?
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Yeah, go to my Sunday seven dot com and talk
about this week all the topics we just discussed. And
speaking of the packers, that go in detail about their
financial report that just came out. So I think.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Four hundred and thirty million dollars in revenue, and we
only know that because they're they're a publicly owned company,
which means every team got four hundred and thirty right, that's.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Every team before they turn the lights on, they got
four hundred and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
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Speaker 6 (34:50):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
What do you have?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
My friends had one for the NFL, the NBA, the NHL,
Major League Baseball let's have one of our own. I
feel a draft today. We're drafting your favorite or most
significant wrestlers of your lifetime. We're gonna have two rounds.
(35:19):
We're gonna start with Iowa Sam, then you Doug, then
the greatness that is Isaac lah and Cron, then Patty
and then back around again and now with the number
one pick first overall, if you will favorite or most
significant wrestlers of your lifetime, weigh in at none of
your business from Iowa. Here's Iowa Sam.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Thank you, gentlemen, thank you. I do know what I'm
trying doing my wrestling voice. All right, I'm gonna go
with the Homer pick right off the top here. He's
a big deal right now in wrestling. He is a
native of Iowa, of Davenport, Iowa, the Quad Cities. I'm
going to draft number one overall, Seth Rollins.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He is.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
He'd also jumps on other sports shows and does his
commentary and seems like he has a future in media.
Seth Rawlins is the number one overall pick.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Didn't you just play short stuff for the field. Oh
that was Jimmy Rawlins. Sorry, yes, little little Rawlins. Humor
there all right with the number two pick, Doug go ahead,
rowdy Rodney Piper, Ah good one Piper's.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Rowdy roddy Piper Good had then yeah he I mean
he had the kilt, he had the bagpipes, he had
the whole thing. He had to look he had the style,
rowdy roddy Piper.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
All right, So that brings it to me. With the
number three pick, oh yeah, that's the strains of the
intro for Jake the Snake Roberts. For the uninitiated, he
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would take a a python named Damien into a burlap
sack with him to the ring, and after he would
put the sleeper hold on yet another hapless opponent, he
would take Damien out and put Damien on the uh
knocked out lunk that he had just defeated in the ring,
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one of the great props in wrestling history. With the
fourth pick, we go to Patty Guy.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You sputtered on that one, Come on, dude, better than that.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Or with the fourth pick, I will select the Ayatola,
a rock and roller, the codebreaker. Why to j Chris Jericho,
Ah very good, a man near and dear to my heart.
And also on Monday Night raw was the raw is
(37:50):
Jericho himself a technical expert and also now on aw
a man, a myth and a living legend.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
We walked in, We walked into something we had no
idea we were getting into here, guys, I.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Just it sounds like Patrick is the biggest pro wrestling
fan on this show.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
This is? This is like a guy who like you
ever been to Vegas? Like no, no, no, no, But
then they just start talking all the gambling terms.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Is he Patty?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Is he this guy that's Chris Jericho? Right, yeah, that's
We used to have a producer here, Mike Mayer who
he's still kind of he'll still call in and weigh
in on certain shows. Jonas Knox stuff. You think he's
a serious PAC twelve radio or something now, but.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
He's actually he's actually on hold online too right now
as we speak.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Well, let's get him in here. Now that's a joke. Yeah,
he rolled in all these Chris Jericho drops. So Mike Mayor, well,
I'm sure it's a tough day for you a big
pro wrestling fan.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And Patty you got the next pick number five.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Oo Snake Draft, let's go. I am gonna go with
Chicago made c M Punk command the myth the legend
from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I'm gonna go with with a six pick a very
unique wrestling villain from Hulcogan's generation, guy by the name
of Ravishing Rick Rude, so his moo. He would come
out in skin tight trousers and whatever stop they were
on on the road, he would get on the mic
before his bowed and insult all the men in your
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audience in the audience and say, okay, now, now your
ladies are going to get a look at a real man.
And then he'd take off his robe to his chiseled countenance.
And here's how that sounded when Ravishing Rick Rud would
do that.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
What I'd like to have right now is for all
you fat, out of shape Minnesota meatheads, cheap.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
The noise dob while I take my robe off and
show the ladies the sexiest man on God's greener d
w She agrees what happened. Ironically, I did the same
thing at the last Fox Sports Radio Christmas Party and
it didn't go over too well. Anyway, here's the seventh.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's why we don't have the the eighth annual Christy.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
You're welcome everybody, all right, Doug, you got the seventh
pick junk Yard Dog, Good one jy d R I
P JYD Chunk Yard Dog, and the final pick goes
to Iowa Sam.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
I have a bunch of guys written down here, and
I'm not saying again I am not a wrestling pro
wrestling specialist, but you know I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
go with a guy that was very much in the
public consciousness when I was a kid, Stone Cold Steve Austin.
He'd open up the beers, smash him together, you know,
(40:49):
pour him in his mouth. He had the whole like
cutoff jean shorts and vests and uh, you know, he
was he was a beloved character out there, and uh,
I think a lot of like working class guys. Really
he looked like something you'd work with that at you know,
a construction side or something. And he's got like his
own uh he's got his own type of I think
it's called broken skull, I PA. Now this guy's own
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beer and so still still out there doing his things.
So Stone called Steve Aston is my pick.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Good good job guys.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
That was.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
That was a really interesting draft because it was, like
I think it was totally generational, like we all picked
wrestlers from our individual generation. I guess that we came
up with then. So it goes on a wrestling themed
edition of I Feel a Draft.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Game.
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and other stuff over the next couple of hours. So
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I heard Isaac Lohencron start the update with with the
passing of Hulk Hogan. And I'm not criticizing Isaac, Okay,
So again, like I don't tell Isaac what to lead,
he doesn't tell me what to lead with. And I
do think that Hulk Hogan dying at the age of
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like seventy one is a big story. I just personally
tell you that the things that he was outed for
for saying on a recording to me are reprehensible, and
so it's hard for me to feel like a guy
is an icon when that's the way he spoke about people.
But nonetheless, I do think there's a bunch of different
(01:30):
lessons in Hulk Hogan dying. Right, that's the thing. And no,
I'm not going rule of three, as Jay s dou
kind of eerily predicted. I think it was two days ago.
He's like, you know what they're gonna say, it comes
in threes. And with Ozzie dying, and with Malcolm Jamal
Warner dying and now Hulk Hogan dying, everybody from the
(01:55):
eighties is dying. And maybe that's actually the lesson, not
the rule of three. It's that because I was thinking
about this on how we still, especially in the NBA,
but some in the NFL, we grip to this belief
that athletes aren't going to age, that who they were
last year is who they're going to be this year
(02:15):
and next year. Again, it's the age old thing of
why I agree with not having multi year, lengthy, guaranteed
contracts in the National Football League. I don't care if
that sounds like I'm anti athlete. I'm not. I'm a realist.
I mean, heck, even justin fields. And I think he
(02:35):
may have dislocated a toe. We don't know which toe.
It happened earlier today, but it caused you to hold
your breath. But the idea is, in football, you are
just one hit away from never playing again. And most
guys outside of the quarterback position, and even sometimes when
you get to your late thirties in the quarterback position,
that you age overnight, you're just not the same guy
(02:56):
you used to be in any way, So maybe that's
what it is. Maybe it's like we make fun of
the Clippers because the Clippers have gone to James harden
Kawhi's a little bit longer in the tooth and oft
injured and now Chris Paul And you're like, dude, really,
(03:17):
I mean this team ten years ago amazing. This year
that'll make the playoffs? Then what But we only do
it for Chris Paul. We don't do it for the Lakers, right,
we don't do it talk about Lebron Remember last year,
heading into the playoffs, We're like, hey, I think they
got a chance. They had no chance. Why, he's a
(03:37):
shell of his former self, especially the defensive end, as
he should be forty years old. He's amazing for forty,
but he's still forty. So maybe the start of the
show is age is just a number, or maybe it's
that Hulk Hogan Tiger Woods. Now Hulk Hogan was never
(04:00):
presented like Tiger Woods was, but he was when we
were all Hulko maniacs. He was like an American icon.
But just like wrestling itself, it's fake. Everything about it
was fake, and please stop with the Those guys get hurt.
They do get hurt, they do jump off things, but
(04:22):
they do the same thing with park Or people get
hurt doing Parker. Only difference is it's a planned out act.
In wrestling, they are really talented athletic actors. That's what
they are. They're not athletes. They may have been an
athlete in a different life. It is not an athletic
endeavor because it's planned out. It is scripted. The winner
and the loser is all scripted, as are the actions
(04:45):
within the ring. Within reason like it's it's it's art,
it's not sports. Sports can be art, but art does
not always be sports, and in this case, it's it's
more of an art. But once we found out who
Hulk really was, you're like, well, that's not the American
(05:06):
icon I thought or I was sold right, And maybe
that's the story of Hulk Hogan so many of other
things in our childhood. If you're of my age, Like again,
you start childhood from WWE all the way up to
(05:27):
when you had the home run chase for Bonds and Sosa.
I mean for uh maguire and Sosa. That was like
college years. So it's like those are those are the
bookends of childhood. Childhood ends when college ends. Really it
was all bs And you might sit there and go
(05:48):
like you're a cynic. I'm not. I actually believe in
the good of people. Maybe that's why I feel so
scorn at the fact that my dad used to tell me,
like that's real. It's not real, Bob, It's not just
like the presentation of an American icon, like Hulk Hogan
wasn't real. It wasn't real. He's just an actor. He
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played a role than who he was in real life.
Wasn't that great. Maybe it's the trappings of fame. Whatever
it is. I do think there's takeaways. I let me
ask you a question. Do you consider this is just again,
(06:36):
you're allowed your opinion. I have mine. Was Hulk Hogan
an athlete?
Speaker 2 (06:41):
And what to kinda do comedia in the largest arms
in the world.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Brother, that's my response. No, it's a brother, It's it's
a valid question.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I think the I think maybe a more. No, the
answer is no, he it was a it was sports entertainment,
although I completely.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It was not sports entertainment. It's not sports.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
You're you're letting the WWE get to you with like ah,
we changed it to w entertainment, like real wrestling. That's why,
I honestly think it's one of the reasons UFC and
and you know, MMA is so popular because it's real wrestling,
(07:34):
whereas we were sold fake wrestling for so long. So
how old were you when you found out it.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Was fake last last Thursday? No, I was thinking about
this this morning. I I deep down knew it was fake.
But I think why this is such a big story
and it evokes so much is less about as you said,
who Hulk Hogan was. That was not his given name,
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of course, but rather the memories it evoked from a
certain generation when we were all growing up because part
of the charm of sports is nostalgia, and especially when
you're growing up in that age, you don't realize that
there's a real life where things probably aren't as clean
(08:21):
cut as they might seem when you get fed at
via mass media, especially during that time, and when you
have sorted the innocence of youth.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, that's honestly, it's a beautifully put series of sentences.
It's really well done, really well done. Sam. You're you're younger,
was there ever? I think part of it is because
you're you're not that much younger, but you're young enough
to where you were always in on it, right, you
always knew that it wasn't real, correct, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, never never yeah, never confused uh, pro wrestling
with like Iowa wrestling, which I mean, he's not even
the same wrestling. It's not even the same style of wrestling.
You don't have all these crazy stunts and stuff in
regular you know, collegiate wrestling, right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Because you can't actually do that if you're actually gonna
wrestle somebody, like doesn't actually happen that way.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And there's not actually a whole lot of like wrestling,
like actual sport of wrestling in pro wrestling. It's more
of like violent fighting and with some grappling and stuff,
but it's it's it's not the same thing. But yeah,
I never thought it was never thought it was real.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
During during the Kulk generation, if you will, I would
say there was more, Like I said, I'm not gonna
say it was competitive sports at all, but there was
a lot more seemingly athleticism than how it is now,
when it's way excessively based on storylines and anything but
the match.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Okay, again, I'm a fully disclosed I have never been
an avid watcher of WWF or WWE or any or
www dot com. Like I just have not. Hey, I
would tell you though that I think and I yes,
the storylines have become big. I do think that there's
the stunts now in some ways are more dramatic than
(10:09):
they were then. Maybe I could be wrong, but I
don't know if I feel that's the case.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
I feel like some of the stunts from the eighties
and nineties were like the people died like people, They
put their lives on the line a little more, you know. Yeah, Like, uh,
and I'm pleased, I'm not I'm not a pro wrestling. Well,
and also like what is it. Uh, I'm sorry, I'm
gonna miss quote this, but it's like rage in the
Cage or you know, the stuff where like guys were
(10:36):
jumping off of like two story basically lengths and falling
on each other and Helen Cel. Yeah yeah, rage in
a cage, Yeah, I know. But but there was there
was stuff that were in the nineties. These people were
These people were putting their lives on the line to
entertain people.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They were not putting their lives.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Oh, they absolutely were, doug They absolutely were. There were
times where guys were jumping off of like forty feet
up and you know, someone could break your neck, and
you know, people are I mean, you know you had
you had time. I remember watching a documentary and it
was called like it was like selling. It was called
selling the you know, selling the sports, selling out is
(11:14):
what they called it. It was like you'd take a
razor blade, you have it hidden under your thumb and
you'd like wipe your brow and you cut your like
it was real blood and stuff. Yeah, it was. It
was all predetermined. But I would definitely call these guys athletes.
I absolutely would. And I think there's a lot of
crossover between sports and pro wrestling. You say, George Kittle
is basically setting up his next career, uh in pro
wrestling by kind of the the persona he puts on
(11:35):
the field now and in in interviews.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
But is it sports? It's not, it's not. Why is
it a sport?
Speaker 5 (11:40):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
I didn't say it's a sport. I said they're athletes.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
At the athletes. But but they're athletic actors. They're not athletes.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Okay, we're arguing semantics here. I don't think it's competition.
It's predetermined competition. But they are athletes because they are.
They have to be in certain shape, they have to
you know, it's not competition. There's a I think there's
a difference there.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Like was uh uh Andre the Giant? Was he an athlete?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (12:07):
Absolutely, yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Was just a giant. He walked around, things around. He
was not but he used his body.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
He used his body.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
If he was athletic at all, he would have played
in the NBA. That's an athlete.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Wasn't he a world champion drinker?
Speaker 6 (12:23):
Though?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Outside the ring? I mean, I've heard stories.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
We have all kinds of ways of defining athletes. Now,
Joey Chestnuts an athlete I guess right, No.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
He's not an athlete. No, he's eating his nuts. I
guess we can.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
We can, we can disagree on that. But these some
of these guys, you know, you can't. You can't be
a you know, a fetch club in the ring. You'll
get hurt worse. I definitely think these guys are athletes,
just this way. I'd say that, like, you know, stock
car drivers are athletes. It's just a different kind of athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Uh. This is the Doug ottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
So so Sam you how old are you? Sam?
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Thirty eight?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Right? So I think Ilo, howld are you?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
None of your mind? Forty five?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Care you're forty five? So I'm like, I'm forty nine.
I think the cutoff is it's like I low and
maybe forty two, forty three, Like, let's just go forty
to above, forty and above. I can almost guarantee you
we'll try this via tweet and Instagramkay, I'm guessing that
if you're forty years older, there was a time in
(13:32):
your life where people were arguing and you may have
been like me, it was like it's fake the whole time.
But there's a time in your life when somebody that
you care about thought it was real. My dad, Wow,
how could it be fake? And then some things would
be so over the top fake. You'd be like, how
can you fake that fall? How can you? How can
(13:55):
you do it? But you can and they did, and
you Yes, accidents happened, but Acksent's happened on movie sets
as well. So things do happen. Guys go boom, they're athletics,
they're just stunt men. But the point is that there
was there was this window where people enough people thought
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it might be real. They just they just did. They
did a good enough job of selling it. It was
positioned in a way where they were larger than life
sports figures. I remember I flew cross country when I
was let's see here, I think it was I want
to say eighth grade, right, so I'm fourteen, that's nineteen ninety.
(14:40):
I flew cross country around Christmas time to stay with
my uncle who lived in Stanford, Connecticut. I flew NonStop
Melics to JFK, and Hulk Hogan was sitting in first class.
But he arrived like late and was like the first
one off the plane was like escort it on and
escorted off and I'm telling you next. So Ronald Reagan,
(15:01):
he was probably the biggest. He was that big. He
was literally that big. I mean, I think of all
the actors of that time, but for our generation, and
I Loo, I'll circle you into that, even though you're
a little younger than me, Hulk Hogan was huge. Remember
they sold out the Silverdome ninety three thousand people. I'll
(15:24):
never forget that, right all for all for was it
Super Slam or whatever, what wrest WrestleMania three.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You're and you're absolutely right about capturing just how big
he was at that exact time in America. I would
say mid eighties was his absolute peak, especially with kids.
You know, uh, say your prayers, eat your vitamins, the
thirty one inch pythons, sayings like that. You absolutely captured
(15:58):
at that time how big he was in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
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It's Doug Otlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're
having a great day. It's the summer, middle of summer, right,
slugging it out, talking uh fake wrestling. It is interesting though,
right like I'm I'm listening and we were acting like
(19:22):
the Pope died. And don't get me wrong, there was
a time when Hulk Hogan was bigger than the Pope.
But yeah, I don't know, he was somebody we should
be idolizing, memorializing, even on the day of his passing.
That's that's just me. That's how I that's how I roll.
Andrew Brandt in a moment, talk some NFL contracts and
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uh and and really what it's like when guys run
out there in pads for the first time when you
remember the front office as he used to be. But first,
let me get you to Isaac Low and Kron get
a quick update and everything in sports Ilo.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
All right, Doug Indeed, pro wrestling legend hulk Ho passed
away at the age of seventy one after he suffered
a cardiac arrest at his home in Clearwater, Florida. Again.
He was seventy one years old. In the National Football League,
New York Jets quarterback Justin Fields dislocated a toe on
his right foot in practice today, but Fields is expected
to be ready for the regular season opener against the
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The Baltimore Orioles, despite two home runs by Stephen Kwan,
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Speaker 1 (20:45):
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Let let's let's start with a yearly discussion in the
Dallas Cowboys and the methodology behind Jerry Jones. Right. I'd
rather wait to wait too long than sign a guy
too early. Last year, of course, he acquiesced and signed
Dak Prescott, who missed half the season. What are your
thoughts on Micah Parsons and why he has an ink
(21:30):
to long term deal? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:32):
Good be with you, Doug. It is every year we
talk about it. It's just a modus operandi with the
Cowboys that I don't understand. No one seems to understand it.
I'll give you a couple possible rationales, although they don't
make a ton of sense. But it's basically he waits
and waits and waits, and sometimes makes even remarks that
could seem disparaging like he did the other day, but
(21:53):
at the end of the day, pays top of the market.
He paid top of the market for Cede Lamb, who
actually missed camp almost with a blessing, unlike Parsons who's there.
And then, as everyone knows, he paid Prescott on two
hours before the opening game against Cleveland last year. They'd
been negotiating all summer with a contract at fifty five
(22:14):
fifty six million a year, and he gave him sixty
million a year, the biggest contract in the history of
the sport. I would estimate it all happen with Parsons.
I would think, you know, over under September third, we're
going to see a huge contract for Parsons and maybe
the highest non quarterback contract in history, more than JJ
(22:34):
Watt I'm sorry, TJ Watt, and more than Michael maybe
even Miles at Cleveland. Yeah, Miles got to Cleveland. So
it's going to happen. Here's my thought on why I've
racked my brain. Maybe he just thinks they might get hurt,
you know, and then the contracts on hold, so it
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could get hurt between now and September or whenever he
does the deal and the other thing. Again, it sounds trite,
but with someone like Jerry Jones who counts his money,
maybe he just would rather have it in his account
instead of Parsons account until the last possible minute. That's
the only explanations I can come up with, all.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right, I mean, we're all trying to figure it out.
Drew Brant joins us the business of sports is his domain. Okay,
take me to Cleveland, right, guy leads him in sacks
two consecutive years, but he's over the age of thirty.
But they put all this money into offense. And before
(23:38):
we get to not having your first round draft pick
under contract yet, let's start with the defensive side of
the ball. What do you think of the Bengals and
that statement from Mike Brown as to why they haven't
come to terms.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
Yeah again, Hendrickson another weird one. It's a little different
than Dallas because we know, at the end of the day,
Dallas who is going to pay top of the market.
I don't since that at all about Mike Brown and Cincinnati.
They're always the most penurious team in the league. I've
experienced that as an agent many years ago, and even
as a colleague. They're tough. Before we get to the
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rookie I think Hendrickson will get done. I think it'll
get done in the next couple of weeks. I don't
think he'll be at the level of eventually Parsons, of
Garrett of what maybe not of Max Crosby. So it
may not be high thirties, but it'll be a lot
more than he's making now. And I just think they'll
(24:40):
both realize this is where we are, So, you know,
best guess thirty two million a year or something like that,
which is great, but it's not top of the market.
I just think that's where the Browns are. The tougher one.
Doug is that rookie. And again people have asked me
a lot about this does basically determine what you're going
(25:02):
to make in a rookie contract. We know what Chamar's
threw at their top pick is going to make, how
much bonus, how much per year. What it doesn't tell
you is how to negotiate the contract beyond that, how
many guarantees, what's the language like, what's the offsets? And
here are the issue is language. So Mike Brown and
the Bengals want to impose language that other teams use
(25:24):
we use in Green Bay. The Eagles have it, the
Rams have it. If you have a default at any
point in the contract, and default can be defined as
a suspension, a conduct, detrimental discipline, something that takes you
off the field, and it can be even broader than that,
the rest of the contract loses its guarantees. So this
is going to be a four year guaranteed contract. If
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something were to happen in year one, he'd still have
the contract, but it wouldn't be guaranteed. And they're trying
to impose this as they've never had it before. They
don't know anything against Shamar's Stewart, although the language from
Mike Brown was really disturbing, you know, But they just
(26:07):
want imposed in their contracts so that next year, the
year after and forever. This is not a negotiation. They say, well,
now we got it in our contracts, so it's always
tough to do the first time. But they've been behind
other teams and getting this in.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Is it an unreasonable ask what Mike Brown's trying to
get through.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
Yes and no, No, because other teams have it. Yes,
because they had a number one pig last year who's
picked lower than Shamar Stewart, he didn't have it, and
their response is, well, here we go. We're starting in
twenty twenty five. It all comes down optionality, Doug, as
you know, and leverage. I don't see schamar Stewart having
(26:48):
any other options and people he's not going back to
Texas A and M please, No, he's not. He'd have
to win a lawsuit that would take months off years.
He is has no options, so I think he'll sign.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I tend to agree with you. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show only on Fox Sports Radio. We're so happy
to be joined by the guru of business himself. That's
that's Andrew Brant. Andrew, there's a change in leadership in
Green Bay, right, And what's that mean for how the
(27:24):
Packers do business?
Speaker 8 (27:26):
I don't think much because before my time, my time
and since my time, the president is important and obviously
directs the franchise from a leadership view, from strategy, from
doing a lot off the field with real estate, with politics,
with buying up land around title towns. But there's a
(27:47):
tremendous difference in the Packers and always has been to
the football operation. They don't get involved now they could
fire the coach. They could hire the coach, they could
fire the GM. I get that, but there is deference
to when it was Ron Wolfer, Ted Thompson and now
Brian gutakuntzt to run the team the way they want
(28:08):
and not get involved in their tech management and not
get involved in who they pick, and not get involved
in free agency discussions. So the Packers are a very
much in your lane team where coaches coach, scout scout,
management manages, and general manager picks the players. So I
don't think it'll change too much. Policy is a longtime fixture.
(28:30):
As everyone knows his father with the forty nine ers
in Browns. It's a royalty name in the NFL. He'll
fit in seamlessly. He's in there a while. So yeah,
and I was asked about him and the whole process,
and I was very pro policy because I thought continuity
is always important in any organization.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Hey, so, Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio,
what do you make of the turmoil atop the NFLPA.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
You know, Doug, it's been a mess a long time,
and this is just another indication that there's been an
air of secrecy of veil around that organization. Since Sheen
Upshall left and people have reached out to me former
players ask me that same question. I just I think
(29:22):
it needs a revamp. It reads a redo, it it
has to allow for some transparency. I don't know what
they've done negotiation wise, where they give away a seventeenth game,
they give away economic concessions, and all they end up
with is better practice time and reduced padded practices. I mean,
someone's got to get in there and say we're a
real union. We're not just going to say, well, we'll
(29:43):
never strike. We have too many players like do something
about it. And this latest thing is just, you know,
my action is everyone's reaction. How in the world did
they end up with this guy who has no football knowledge,
no football experience, and has all these personal pecadillos that
we've now found out about. And I mean, you couldn't
(30:03):
ask for a worse process. So I don't know. I
mean I'm looking at it like you are, and like,
what the heck what is going on with these people?
So hopefully it's a whole reset. I know players want that.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah. Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Andrew
Brandt is our guest. Because of because of the allegations
of collusion, right which which came out, there's this continued
talk of the fully guaranteed contracts. And again I'll be
(30:36):
fully I'll fully disclose to you a lot of the
people I talked to summer agents, but a lot of
them are on the front office side, and their stances like, hey,
the only ones pushing for all this stuff is the agents.
Because there is that the fully guaranteed contracts would happen,
they would just be less money in less years than
(30:57):
people want to have happened. And the old reason that
hasn't happen is because the agents want to win. You know,
the the tweet that says my guy got two hundred
right the pr to it. What's the reality? You bet
you know this game way better than anybody else. What's
the reality to who's behind the push for the fully guaranteed,
(31:19):
lengthy contracts.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Well, I think it's I guess I'll say this. It
has to start somewhere. We talked about this for three years.
Deshaun Watson set the stage. Regardless of what you think
of him, what do you think of the Browns? It
was there and we just talked about precedent with the
Cincinnati Bengals. I'm a lawyer. Precedent's everything, So their precedent
(31:43):
was there, and those three people that brought the grievance,
Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray faced against an uphill
battle with that precedent, where the teams are like, no,
we don't think that's precedent. And in those three situations,
I think there was collusion and I think there was
bad acting. So in terms of who's behind it, it's
(32:05):
just trying to break the seal. Whether it will trickle
down beyond elite quarterbacks ever, I don't think so. I
just don't think the league's built that way, and all
the reasons you just mentioned, but I think those three quarterbacks,
and then behind them was Burrow and Hertz and Herbert,
you know there's no reason it shouldn't be. And the
(32:26):
team can say, which they do say, is well, he's
Patrick Mahomes, he's Josh Allen, he's Joe Burrow. It's like
it's guaranteed. Well, it's really like it's guaranteed to just
guarantee it, because without the guarantee, you know, the team
still has leverage. Like if you have a bad performance,
they can reduce your contract because you're under contract. So
(32:47):
I think it's a it's a limited sample size, so
maybe fifteen quarterbacks they should have that. There should there's
no reason they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
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of sports. She got the Sunday seven newsletter? Andrew, how
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Yeah, go to my Sunday seven dot com and talk
about this week all the topics we just discussed. And
speaking of the packers, that go in detail about their
financial report that just came out. So I think.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Four hundred and thirty million dollars in revenue, and we
only know that because they're they're a publicly owned company,
which means every team got four hundred and thirty right, that's.
Speaker 8 (33:24):
Every team before they turn the lights on, they got
four hundred and thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
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Stug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. It's a Thursday. That
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whatever that's up coming again. Top of the hour and
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Speaker 6 (34:50):
This is game time game on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
What do you have?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
My friends had one for the NFL, the NBA, the NHL,
Major League Baseball let's have one of our own. I
feel a draft today. We're drafting your favorite or most
significant wrestlers of your lifetime. We're gonna have two rounds.
(35:19):
We're gonna start with Iowa Sam, then you Doug, then
the greatness that is Isaac lah and Cron, then Patty
and then back around again and now with the number
one pick first overall, if you will favorite or most
significant wrestlers of your lifetime, weigh in at none of
your business from Iowa. Here's Iowa Sam.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Thank you, gentlemen, thank you. I do know what I'm
trying doing my wrestling voice. All right, I'm gonna go
with the Homer pick right off the top here. He's
a big deal right now in wrestling. He is a
native of Iowa, of Davenport, Iowa, the Quad Cities. I'm
going to draft number one overall, Seth Rollins.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
He is.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
He'd also jumps on other sports shows and does his
commentary and seems like he has a future in media.
Seth Rawlins is the number one overall pick.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Didn't you just play short stuff for the field. Oh
that was Jimmy Rawlins. Sorry, yes, little little Rawlins. Humor
there all right with the number two pick, Doug go ahead,
rowdy Rodney Piper, Ah good one Piper's.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Rowdy roddy Piper Good had then yeah he I mean
he had the kilt, he had the bagpipes, he had
the whole thing. He had to look he had the style,
rowdy roddy Piper.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
All right, So that brings it to me. With the
number three pick, oh yeah, that's the strains of the
intro for Jake the Snake Roberts. For the uninitiated, he
(36:58):
would take a a python named Damien into a burlap
sack with him to the ring, and after he would
put the sleeper hold on yet another hapless opponent, he
would take Damien out and put Damien on the uh
knocked out lunk that he had just defeated in the ring,
(37:22):
one of the great props in wrestling history. With the
fourth pick, we go to Patty Guy.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You sputtered on that one, Come on, dude, better than that.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Or with the fourth pick, I will select the Ayatola,
a rock and roller, the codebreaker. Why to j Chris Jericho,
Ah very good, a man near and dear to my heart.
And also on Monday Night raw was the raw is
(37:50):
Jericho himself a technical expert and also now on aw
a man, a myth and a living legend.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
We walked in, We walked into something we had no
idea we were getting into here, guys, I.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Just it sounds like Patrick is the biggest pro wrestling
fan on this show.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
This is? This is like a guy who like you
ever been to Vegas? Like no, no, no, no, But
then they just start talking all the gambling terms.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
Is he Patty?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Is he this guy that's Chris Jericho? Right, yeah, that's
We used to have a producer here, Mike Mayer who
he's still kind of he'll still call in and weigh
in on certain shows. Jonas Knox stuff. You think he's
a serious PAC twelve radio or something now, but.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
He's actually he's actually on hold online too right now
as we speak.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Well, let's get him in here. Now that's a joke. Yeah,
he rolled in all these Chris Jericho drops. So Mike Mayor, well,
I'm sure it's a tough day for you a big
pro wrestling fan.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
And Patty you got the next pick number five.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
Oo Snake Draft, let's go. I am gonna go with
Chicago made c M Punk command the myth the legend
from Chicago.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I'm gonna go with with a six pick a very
unique wrestling villain from Hulcogan's generation, guy by the name
of Ravishing Rick Rude, so his moo. He would come
out in skin tight trousers and whatever stop they were
on on the road, he would get on the mic
before his bowed and insult all the men in your
(39:23):
audience in the audience and say, okay, now, now your
ladies are going to get a look at a real man.
And then he'd take off his robe to his chiseled countenance.
And here's how that sounded when Ravishing Rick Rud would
do that.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
What I'd like to have right now is for all
you fat, out of shape Minnesota meatheads, cheap.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
The noise dob while I take my robe off and
show the ladies the sexiest man on God's greener d
w She agrees what happened. Ironically, I did the same
thing at the last Fox Sports Radio Christmas Party and
it didn't go over too well. Anyway, here's the seventh.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That's why we don't have the the eighth annual Christy.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
You're welcome everybody, all right, Doug, you got the seventh
pick junk Yard Dog, Good one jy d R I
P JYD Chunk Yard Dog, and the final pick goes
to Iowa Sam.
Speaker 5 (40:29):
I have a bunch of guys written down here, and
I'm not saying again I am not a wrestling pro
wrestling specialist, but you know I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
go with a guy that was very much in the
public consciousness when I was a kid, Stone Cold Steve Austin.
He'd open up the beers, smash him together, you know,
(40:49):
pour him in his mouth. He had the whole like
cutoff jean shorts and vests and uh, you know, he
was he was a beloved character out there, and uh,
I think a lot of like working class guys. Really
he looked like something you'd work with that at you know,
a construction side or something. And he's got like his
own uh he's got his own type of I think
it's called broken skull, I PA. Now this guy's own
(41:10):
beer and so still still out there doing his things.
So Stone called Steve Aston is my pick.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Good good job guys.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
That was.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
That was a really interesting draft because it was, like
I think it was totally generational, like we all picked
wrestlers from our individual generation. I guess that we came
up with then. So it goes on a wrestling themed
edition of I Feel a Draft.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Game.
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Speaker 1 (41:39):
It's The Doug Gottlieb Show. It's Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
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