December 15, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug was waiting to call time of death on the Chiefs until it was official, and now does a post mortem on the dynasty. Doug asks where the Shedeur Sanders supporters have been the past 24 hours. Doug welcomes former Chargers' GM Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about Philip Rivers, Pat Mahomes and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
My long and historic radio career. Welcome in. This is
the DG Show. It's a Monday. Merry Christmas to you,
Happy Hanukah to you, Chris. Tragic weekend obviously in Australia
and in Los Angeles. Oh, just terrible stuff. This is
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this weekend. Fair to say. Living in Green Bay Wisconsin.
Most people will say their Super Bowl hopes just went
out the window. Michael Parsons finally got a holding call
against him, not against him when he was held, and
yet torn acl DeVante Adams injury. There are many injuries,
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none as prominent as Parsons and Pat Mahomes. And I
let's just start there. I wouldn't do it until it
was done. And a little bit of this is the
college basketball player than analysts, the now college basketball coach
that I am, which is the don't ever call it's
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the rudy Tom Joonovitch. Never underestimate the heart of a champion. Right.
Kansas won what was it a bajillion straight Big Twelve championships,
So I wasn't picking against them until they were eliminated
to win the champion win the Big Twelve championship. The
same goes for I mean again, you think of times
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in our life you have Kobe Bryant, job's not done
or the George bush Remember George bush on was it
an aircraft carrier? Right? And the war was still going
on and went on afterwards? Was like mission accomplished? Like
not yet. I am a Charger fan, like the Chargers,
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like the Packers. Those are my teams. Always liked the Packers,
by the way, like we just moved to Green Bay.
You've been a Packer fan for exactly one point five
years more hardcore one point five. But I was born
in Wisconsin. I was born in Milwaukee. They used to
play Milwaukee. Always been a Packer guy. Buts are my
team and became my team in nineteen ninety three when
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the Rams and then the Raiders pulled out of Los
Angeles and the Chargers ntetron means stand the man Humphreys right,
old Boss Ross as the coach. They end up going
to a Super Bowl getting stomp ony the Denver Broncos. Right,
So now you're getting the timelines, got it. But I've
watched the Kansasity Chiefs and I thought for the last
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couple of years, like they're not great, and yet they
pop up in the AFC Championship Game or the Super Bowl.
And so I made a commitment to you all, but
truly to myself, I am not gonna call time of
death until he's dead. Do we not learn anything from
Joe Perturno. It's a quick side story for you, Dan Byer.
I was working at ESPN at the time, and everybody's like,
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Joe Perturno, is he dead? Is he alive? And then
anybody who tweeted like hey rip to Joe Paterno and
you worked at ESPN, they would get mad at you,
like he's not officially dead yet, Like I didn't say anything,
just said rest in peace. Okay, now we can do it.
Now we can do post mortem. Now we can declare
the chiefs officially the departed, officially deceased for this season
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or as as inside the NBA like to do gone fishing.
It's over. And then you have Pat Mahomes tearing his
acl and you'll get people spinning it like, well now
he gets the proper time off, like he tore his knee.
There's nothing good about that. But the question becomes, okay,
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question becomes I think threefold. There's three questions I have.
One does this make the Patriots dynasty look even better? Two?
Is it a reload or rebuild? Three? What do you
do with Kelsey? And maybe more importantly, what do you
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do with any Reed? What do you do with Kelsey?
What do you do with any Red? The first thing
is I do think it makes the Patriots look better.
Now it was year nine that Tom Brady tore his
ACL and then there was a there was a span
of ten years where he didn't win a Super Bowl.
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But what's lost in that discussion is year eight they
went undefeated and undefeated into the Super Bowl like they
were the best team in football, winning towards knee. Same thing.
I do think there's the you know, and that was
the only year they didn't make the playoffs of the
year that he missed. I do think there's a difference
there and that they've been able to be more consistent
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and now Kim Mahomes proved us all wrong and come
back next year and they can rebuild the team or
reload the team and get back on their winning ways. Sure,
because remember up until this year, this is the first
year in the seven years he's been a starting quarterback
that they haven't reached at least the ANFC Championship game.
That's insane. But if he's gonna do it, Travis Kelsey's
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got to go if he's gonna do it. But I
don't think it's crazy to say Andy Reid could step aside. Now.
The one thing about Reid you might think about is
you continue to load up more of his staff with
more guys and he becomes a lot more of a figurehead.
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That's the only thing I can think of. But you
need a completely revamped offense because the wide receivers. You know,
Rice took a hell of a hit. I know Jason
Sewart was very happy to see that last night. But
the receivers, there's just not a lot there there. They're
gonna need another star tight end or two. They need
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to completely revamp what they're doing. They started with the
offensive line. There's nothing wrong with my homes. He'll be fine.
Put better players around him, and maybe they need to
refine scheme. So the first thing is I do think
more of the Patriots because of it. I do. The
second thing is or I would absolutely move on from
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Travis Kelce. I don't think anybody would feel robbed by
his career. I don't think anybody would think it's a
bad idea for him to move on, And with any Reid,
I don't know. He's done so much for that organization.
If he wants to fight back and rebuild it, he can.
If he wants to walk away, he can. I do
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think he deserves carte blanche. And then the last part
is is it a rebuild or is it a reload?
And my answer is yes. You're like, wait, that's an
or question. I know, because I don't know what you
call it. Usually a rebuild would mean new quarterback, all
new coaches, kind of an all new team. And I
don't think you need that, although I don't think if
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any Reid doesn't have the energy to get rid of
some things, to cut some things, to fix some things,
to trim some things, to make himself less comfortable, and
maybe the fourth addendum to it, or the fourth the
item is, is any of this related to when Pat
Mahomes took that gargantuan deal and we thought it was
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in the middle to the end of it, it was
team friendly and they haven't been able to manage a
good enough roster around him ever since he had that deal.
And I think the answer is yes. I think the
answer is yes. Byer, let me ask you, do you
rebuild or do you reload or doesn't matter what term
you use, because you're with me, you're somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Well, see, this is part of the problem that it's
I think that you I think that you can continue
with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. I don't think that
Travis Kelcey is a part of their future, and in fact,
I think it's one of the reasons why the Chiefs
got to this point leading up to this game is
they haven't found a spot for someone to replace a
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player like Travis Kelcey. They've also tried and missed with
other receivers that haven't panned out as well as they
would have hoped. But all in all, like amazing run,
I don't think a complete overhaul is needed by any means.
I just think that over these last couple of years
they've been able to successfully and sometimes fill spots, and
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then now they're starting to get some of the repercussions
of that where those additions and those players aren't doing
enough to make them a winning team. So I would
keep I would hope that Amy Reid would stay on,
and I hope that Mahomes is fine. But I think
that the Travis Kelcey era is over. I think they
just try to reload and revamp in spots that they
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have been unable to do for whatever reason, maybe in
the past year or two.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Does it make you
think more of the Patriots that they were able to
keep it going longer.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
No, because I think that what they did is amazing.
Like for anybody to think that someone's going to be
able to match what New England did, I think is
that's the part where we get it wrong. Their run
is just unmatched and even with the dry spell, and
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that's maybe what Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs will come
up with it during this period. Maybe this is the
dry spell where they don't win super Bowl championships. But
the only difference is Andy Reid's probably not going to
be there then for the second half of it, because
by that time maybe there would be a new coach.
But yeah, I just what New England did was just
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absolutely ridiculous on all levels. So I've always held that
in very high regard.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I have as well. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm with you on rebuild,
More Reload.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I do have one more thing just with this though,
because I think it's something that we've talked about. So
when you look at this window, if this is it, like,
this is a great success. And I find it funny
because remember the Cowboys documentary we talked about and we
watched and we consumed and we love again. When you
look at that Jimmy Johnson Jerry Jones dynasty, that was
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three Super Bowl wins in four years, and that was it.
There was no random one before, there was no random
one after. That was it. But we look at that
Cowboys team so much so that you could make a
documentary or at least half of it be about that
squad where they had great success in four years. So
what the Chiefs have done over the last seven eight
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seasons in the National Football League is really really remarkable,
especially if we're taking a Cowboys sort of dynasty in
that four year span and putting in on such a pedestal.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's a completely fair way of looking at it. And
I have great regard for the Chiefs. I do, and
probably more so than ninety five percent of other football fans,
because I remember when the Chiefs were the good regular
season team, always lose it home in the playoffs. Always
thought it was odd that they would lose at home
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in the playoffs when they have arguably the best atmosphere
in the playoffs. Do I think that their fans got
fat and sassy and arrogant. Of course, all fan bases
do when you start winning. That's what happens, especially the
consistency with which they won, doesn't take away from me
what the team became with the franchise became, what they've
been able to do. It also shows just how monumental
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it is for this whole thing to collapse the way
in which he did collapse. And I would also point
out that that it's also interesting how good the Broncos,
how quickly the Broncos have gotten good. And I think,
look the Chargers winning yesterday. Granted you're going against backups
all over the place, especially back up at quarterback, but
they just found a way to survive. Like even then,
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you still respect the Chiefs because you're like, they'll still
find a way because they just find a way because
they're a championship team.
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watched a lot of sports this weekend. We had the
weekend off Daan Bier. Now, with the weekend off means
you're watching a lot of film, you're drinking a lot
of coffee. We had a fairly short practice, actually wasn't
that short film practice yesterday morning, but plenty of time
to watch all the games. So I was watching the
Browns and that debacle against the Bears, and I just
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think the whole thing is all of this speaks to why,
if you're the Browns, Shadoor Sanders has to be one
point five x of what you think you're looking for
to keep him. Here's what I mean. They had something
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with his wristband right where I don't know if it's
the wrong wristband, if something was written on it. He
got confused by something I don't know. They changed the wristband,
and if you look on social media from that point
until today, it was Kevin Stefanski went in and changed
the wristband because he personally wants to see Shador Sanders
fail right again, that's the level of crazy we have
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supporting Shadoor Sanders. We have supporting he. The throat to
Jerry Judy in the end zone was on the money,
but it was a great defensive play, and it is
one of those ones where we always ask ourselves, why
did think I just intercept the ball? In that case
he did. The interception to the linebacker was a terrible throat.
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It just was he didn't layer it, he didn't look,
he knew the read, he thought he was open, and
he just throw it. They're not good. He didn't play well.
That's that's kind of my synopsis of it. Here's Kevin's
Kevin Stefanski is head coach, talking about your door's performance.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I'm obviously thinking about just this game and those type
of things. He's a young player that is making progress,
like we've talked about all week, and I see it
in games, I get to see it in practice. There's
gonna be ups and downs to young players in particular
quarterback position. So we'll learn from it and we'll be
better next week.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Here shud Or Sanders talking about what he can learn
from a game like that.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Had a great defensive scheme, and I enjoy playing against him.
I enjoyed playing and that because you know, it was
definitely a little chalent. So I look forward to learning
from that and look forward to to understanding exactly, you know,
how things was on film, and uh, just be able
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to learn from it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Should or had this exchange with a reporter about the
starting job.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
You're not worried about losing your job or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
When he says something like.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
That, you know, with league we in, you can lose
your job at any point in time, So you don't.
You don't play. You don't play with fear when you
when you live and play and fear then you know,
like and that be yourself, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I don't play or live in fear. Whatever situation I'm in,
I'm in whatever happens, It happens, you know. But I
live each moment and try to live each days to
the fullest. So never live and worry or fear.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I listen. I love that, Okay, I love that because
you can't play with one eye on the bench, you
can't worry about being pulled by the way. His coach's
told everybody, we're not making a coach in a quarterback
change the rest of the year, so he doesn't have
the fear because it's not going to happen. But my
point is this is a lot like whether it's an
old school walk on versus scholarship player or you know,
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Jay stud take your Dodgers. You know, a guy you
pay twenty million two is supposed to guy you pay
a million two. The guy you pay a million two
has to be one point five x better than the
twenty million guy because otherwise, like why you pay him
twenty million dollars. And for the Browns, they have the
chance to draft a quarterback in the first round. But
you're not going to draft a quarterback in the first
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round if you have Shador Sanders, because anytime he doesn't play,
it becomes some confirmation of a bias against him. He
can't do it. So he doesn't just have to prove
that he can play the position competently. He has to
buy my estimation, prove he can someday be a star.
Otherwise all this other nonsense isn't worth it. It's just not
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just not stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's catch up with the former general manager of the
Raiders and Chargers. Tom Telesco joins us and tell me
a bunch of things to get to Obviously, I think
I but I don't remember if people remember this story.
You passed on drafting Pat Mahomes, and like a year
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and a half later, I was driving to your game
when you opened up the season against the Chiefs and
you said, this division is in trouble for the next
decade because this kid is is that good? When you
see him carted off yesterday? When you see the age
of Travis Kelce and that they're not going to make
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the playoffs. As a guy who competed in that division
for the entirety of this dynasty up until this year,
what goes through your mind?
Speaker 8 (18:43):
That's funny to say that because I was taking the
same thing yesterday. I spent twelve years as a GM
in AFC West, my first year out at this year
and their dynasty end. So I don't know if that's
a coincidence. They're just horribly bad luck for me. But look,
with Andy Reid and Brett Beach don't be able to
reach tool it and a little bit of a rebuild
moving forward around Mahomes, But they've got some work to do.
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You know, when you look at the team, like you said,
like like Kelsey is closer to the end, he may
end up retiring this year. They still have issues at
both tackle spots. Now, hopefully the rookies. Josh Simmons, he'll
keep coming along. He just wasn't quite ready for prime
time yet, but I think he should be fine. But
Costrick Mahomes took a lot of hits this year. Everybody
talks about all the hits that justin Herbert took. What
Mahomes is right there, so that was an issue for them.
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And then offensively, when three of your top four receivers
are one hundred and seventy five pounds or less, that's
an issue if you're not getting those big explosive plays
down the field with speed, and they're not getting those,
So a lot of short intermediate throws, a lot of
plays in between the numbers, and there's a physicality to
the game that it's hard to hold up at that size.
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Those hits take their tolls. And then you saw yesterday
just with the elements and the physical places and the
chargers that the charger or the chief receiver had a
difficult time. So they're gonna have to relook at that group,
try and add some more size to the speed. You
look at the running back group, They've got some work
to do on offense. Defensively, I think they have a
lot of nice pieces still. I think they'll be fine
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on that side of the ball, but they have a
lot of work to do on offense.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Let's let's let's go around that division a little bit.
What about the Chargers. Yes, the Chiefs have massive injuries,
not by the playoffs. It's not like the Chargers have
been injury free. Granted, Herbert is playing and he's played
through the broken bone in his left hand, but lose
the book end titles. You've been on that plane ride
home from winning in Kansas City. What must that plane
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ride been home last night have been like? Considering it's
not just a win in Kansas City, but it's an elimination.
They vanquished the Chiefs in Kansas City. What's that ride like?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Yeah, it's great because it keeps their playoffs hopes alive.
With the Chargers, that sounds a big win. I mean,
these are essentially playoff games for them to make sure
they get a wildcaracter. I don't think it looks like
they're not going to be able to win at the Vision,
but to make sure they secure the wildcard. But Jim
Harbaugh is a lot like Chris Signetti, Like he just wins.
He figures out ways to win. It wasn't the prettiest
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game yesterday, but in that cold weather they were down
by ten, they just kept grinding it out and a
little bit of the run game, a little bit of
Justin Herbert just making some Justin Herbert type plays. But
the biggest thing yesterday for the Chargers the defense just
played really really well. They're physical, they got to the football.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Derwin Jeans had one of his better games of the year.
Denzel Perriman still when when it when it's run game,
I mean he can stick and he can tackle. Uh
truly Twuly below to excite to say that twice difficult name,
great player, had a ton of pressure, you know, took
advantage of the Chiefs tackle. So does a really nice
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job by by Jesse Mentor and the Chargers defense really
just shutting down came the city's offense.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I watched
every snap of the Packers Broncos game, and I walked
away unbelievably impressed with the Broncos. Unbelievably impressed. The play
calling on third down was really good. The defense in
the red zone is amazing. What are the tweaks and
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changes they've been able to make to get them to
this point.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Well, the defense has been strong all year and that
will continue to be strong, and that's their playoffs ready
right now. I think offensively, RG Harvey has really taken
off with the offense or using him a lot. He's
a smaller back, but he's fast, he's explosive. They can
throw him out of the backfield as well. But bo
Nicks just week after week after week, you see he's
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just complete confidence and improvement, and he's tough, he's athletic,
and the one thing that it's hard as a young
quarterback to play well in the red zone. Those windows
close quickly, and he's been outstanding in the red zone.
I thought he was great yesterday. I'm just controlling the game.
Green Bay I think is still going to be fine.
I know, I know they lost Michael Parsons. I still
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don't think they're gonna be okay. But it was a
great game against two really good teams. But Denver, and
they've shown us from probably week three on. They're situational football,
especially in a second half of the outstanding. That's Sean
Payton's calling card. He has them very prepared for late games,
fourth quarter and late game decision making. And I just
love how Bonux is playing this year right now.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I do, you me Broth both I do. How do you?
How would you feel if you're the Patriots today considering
you so thoroughly dominated the first half and then the
third quarter really did him in, you know, three and
out and then an interception, you give up three straight touchdowns.
How would you feel if you're in New England today?
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Well, you don't feel great, but you just have to
look at the thick picture and you know you're gonna
have games like this every now and then. This has
not been their m but they ran into a big
time quarterback with Josh Allen, and Josh Allen did his
thing in the second half. The only concern with New
England They have a very good running game. He saw
that yesterday between Trevion Henderson. But Midre Stevens is a
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big back who they'll probably use a lot more even
in the playoffs, as if they get an outdoor game.
He's powerful and strong inside and Drake May is very
atlex so he can get yards with his seat. But
the perimeter weapons are just okay. They're not great. They
didn't have a whole lot of completions outside. You know,
Matt Collins was their leading receiver, I think, with just
four catches, so they didn't get a whole lot of
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production on the outside. But this has been their their
recipe to play, and they've played better defense than they
did yesterday. I just think Buffalo in the second half
just got things going. And Josh Allen is the best
player in the league and they ran into him in
the fourth quarter, couldn't quite slow him down. But in
the end, these are two really good football teams. I
think they both had a chance to go far in
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the playoffs. New England you can see that going into
the year. They may be still a year away from
having enough talent offense, but Drake May is just putting
the team on the shoulders there. I need some more
weapons on the outside eventually down the road, but they're
getting back with it right now.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
What did you last week when you were on with us?
It was right when I threw out the Hey, what
if Shane Styke can calls Philip Rivers and you laughed
it off. I kind of laughed it off. Whatever. They
not only do it, but they start him. They start him.
Here's the first question that people ask. I have my
own opinion, but you've been in the league and executed
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this job very very well. Why would you call Philip
Rivers if, for example, your rookie quarterback Riley Leonard is healthy,
why would you start pr.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
It's so funny because, yeah, how good of an analysts
am I You asked me about that and I just
kind of dismissed it and just talked about Riley Leonard
for you know, two or three minutes, and then a
couple of hours later, and there you go. You know,
Philip Rivers is working out for the Colts. I think
from a from a coaching standpoint, certainly at this time
of the year where these games are so important, they're
making a playoff push, there's just that comfort factor with
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a veteran quarterback that's been there, done that versus a
rookie quarterback and Riley Leonard. That thought Roly Leonard played
pretty well last week, but you're talking about a rookie
quarterback number one, number two, a rookie quarterback coming off
some sort of knee injury last week. I know we
practiced some full during the week, but it was a
bit of an issue when we talked last Monday. So
I think when we had a young quarterback coming off
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a knee and they had, you know, Shane and Philip,
like we taught, well, we didn't get a chance to
talk about before, but they're so close, they know each
other so well, and I think they figured let's just
give it a shot. And I was impressed with what
Shane did with the game plan. He put a game
plan together that Bill could execute on essentially three days
of practice in one walkthrough, which which is amazing. And
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that's basically heavy run game and in a short passing
game where you can get the ball to a receiver
a tight end of running back early and that run
out we got to run after or run get the
yards after the catch there and try and get some
yardist that way. Doug, it is difficult to win this league.
If you're going to run the ball at a shotgun
thirty times and then the average four point four yards
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per past attempt, they may kind of start to get
the offense a little bit more down the field this week.
After Philip gets you get the feet wet, they're going
to have to because if you don't, your defense has
to play lights out. And the defense played really, really yesterday.
I mean, the whole Seattle to no touchdowns is pretty impressive.
There just wasn't enough at the end. But I just
think it's that comfort factor between the head coach and
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a veteran quarterback, and certainly that veteran quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Speaking of that veteran quarterback, what is Philip Rivers like
to deal with on a day by day basis as
somebody who did it for nine years? It was nine years,
I think.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
No, he's absolutely unbelievable. Football conversations with him are incredible
because he has got great perspective. He's the son of
a high school football coach and now he is a
high school football coach. But he just had great perspective
on the team. He had a great perspective on the
players around him about everything, and uh, he's just a
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fascinating some fascinating person to talk to when it comes
to football. So I can see, you know, from a
coaching standpoint, it's a dream because he is so smart.
He knows the game so well. He knows all the
other factors that kind of play into the game, especially
situational football. Yeah, I really enjoyed my conversation with him,
and I did the same thing with Justin Herbert after
Justin got a little bit older. I bounced a lot
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of things off Philip and a lot of things off Justin.
I think that you're starting quarterback. You know, your franchise
quarterback needs to have a little input on what's going on.
And it was great feedback for me to hear from
them on certain things, even you know, offense wise, team wise,
player wise. And I'll go with a big help.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
If you are Cleveland again, and you could tell me
different If I'm wrong, I don't think you can keep
Shador and draft somebody in the first round. I just don't.
I just think the noise around Shador is too loud,
and if you bring in a first round pick, you're
gonna play that quarterback and that that just don't work.
That is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Well, I don't know if it's fair, because that's that's
the job of the head coach of general manager. If
there's noise, you got to handle it. A lot of
hypotheticals right now with SHADERA Sanders as compared to you know,
who could be in the draft, and this is going
to be a pretty light draft. I'm seeing some quarterbacks
in the transfer portal rather than declining for the draft,
so essentially have to compare what they have versus who
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could be available. But if they do draft a quarterback,
then yeah, it's our job to handle that. You just
can't pass on a player you think may have a
chance to be a franchise quarterback because either can't handle
the noise. That's part of the job with your door.
I saw some I didn't see so much of the
game yesterday, but it sounds like I didn't miss much,
you know, losing thirty one to three. I saw some
really good things from him from the week before. But
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it's also and I'm glad he's getting a body work
late in the year. But it's hard to get a
great deal for the development just because the cast around
them just isn't isn't there right now. They've got a
ton of injuries on the offensive line, they don't have
a lot of skill position players. They have they have
two rookies are outstanding with Harold Fan and the Judkins.
But they don't have a lot around him yet. But
there's talent there. You can see it. He's tough, so
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he can get the ball out of his hand. He's
accurate at all levels. He needs work, he needs development,
but I'm sure they'll compare him to who's available and
go from there. And yeah, it could be a tough
situation to handle, but that's part of the job.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Tell me you're the best. Appreciate all you do for
me for the show. We'll talk very very soon. Thanks
for being our guest.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
You got Doug. Thanks.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
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Speaker 3 (30:38):
Stug gott Leeb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. If
you're listening to us on the radio side. This is
Jason Stewart's favorite Christmas song.
Speaker 9 (30:46):
That's right, That's right?
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Do they know?
Speaker 9 (30:48):
It's Christmas band Aid nineteen eighty four. There's a documentary
you can watch it. It's fun, it's got a great
driving beat and it still holds up today. Every time
I hear it, I think of the Holidays, and I
think Boy George is the best performance in this ensemble,
Kyle Brant thinks that the best performance is George. H
(31:13):
Why am I spacing on his last name, Dan George
Michael Michael. So I put in a tweet at Kyle
Brant that boy George has the best performance in this
ensemble of great performances, and I was greeted by boy
George blocking me on Twitter for complimenting him. I can
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show you proof that I am blocked by boy George.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Over abates boy George's the count.
Speaker 11 (31:39):
Oh yeah, it's official misunderstanding. I think potentially unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Dan Bayer, do you have a favorite Christmas song?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Well, you know, obviously, you know Last Christmas by Wham
is always been my favorite. Now it's over the last
five years, is just taking on a whole you know.
I feel like it's your favorite band became mainstream and
so then you're like, great, now everybody likes it and
it's overused, but it's always Yeah, it's always been a favorite.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's great tune. I do think you're looking at that
one wrong. I understand what you're talking about, the parallel
you're drawing your favorite band goes mainstream, But I do
think when it's like to all that matters is to
you like you?
Speaker 10 (32:25):
That's fair enough.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, yes, Sammy, you got one.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
You know.
Speaker 11 (32:29):
I love Whitney Houston's cover of do You Hear What
I Hear? That always gets that one gets me tingly inside,
warm and christmasy feeling inside. Play that next week or something.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
My favorite Christmas album is Kenny Rogers Christmas and he's
got a couple of different varieties of but Kenny Rogers
singing some Christmas tunes.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
It's the good stuff.
Speaker 11 (32:49):
None of these choices got out of the eighties, by
the way, him and Dolly Parton. What is the name
of that song? It's not a Christmas song. You think
of Islands in the Stream. No, no, no, I'm thinking of
Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Well, she's not on any other songs that that. I
was Hold on a second, I know this is just
let's listen.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
I'll search it. Thank you you search it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Let's do some work. Let's get to a game with
Dan Byer.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
This is the story of us, by the way, like
we I just I just wanted a song and then
we got diverted. All right.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
The greatest gift of all. You guys have heard that
you would, I'll play it next time.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, it's but it's not on my Kenny Rogers album
that I love.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Yes, I got you.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Kenny Rodgers singing like you know, favorite Things is amazing.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
All right? What's today's game? Sorry? Today's game is big deal?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Little deal? No deal?
Speaker 10 (33:49):
Big deal, little deal or no deal?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Doug That JJ McCarthy got the best of Dak Prescott
and the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think it's a big deal. Like we've all crapped
on the kid. We've all thought he's not good enough,
and then he played really well last night on National TV.
I don't care if the Cowboys defense is any good.
I don't care the playoffs. You can only care about
your personal development. And he looked better than he's looked previously.
Big deal, all.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
Right, big deal, little deal or no deal?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
That JJ McCarthy did the gritty in the end zone
on his way to a touchdown run, which, by the way,
he was told not to do it by head coach
Kevin O'Connell earlier in the week. Is that a big deal,
little deal or not?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I think this is like Cuba Good and Jor's character
in Jeremy McGuire right, where all of a sudden you're
just kind of overtaken by emotion and you do something
that you know you weren't supposed to do or didn't want.
I don't want to dance, Jerry. Not gonna dance, Jerry.
I think it's a little deal.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Kevin Seiffert of ESPN has the McCarthy quote of I
did it in practice and I was told not to
do it, So just me being who I am, it's like, oh,
now I'm more enticed to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
That. I gotta be honest with you. I feel a
lot of myself in that quote. I got it.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Maybe that was.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Do you think that was nine talking? Or do you
think that was JJ McCarthy talking. Maybe that was nine.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
Nine doesn't follow the rules?
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Yes, nine doesn't follow the rules.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
JJ follows the rules.
Speaker 10 (35:28):
Uh And by the way, what what does no? In German?
All right? Big deal? Little deal of no deal?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
That Nebraska quarterback Dylan Royola and Florida quarterback DJ Legway
have entered the transfer portal.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Uh So dilar Aila, his brother de committed. His dad
was a coach on the staff and he left the team,
so yeah, we saw all this coming. The question is
does he have to transfer to Texas Tech and does
he have to tear his a cl because he has
that Mahomes complex, like you really want to be like
Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Now it's got a broken leg that he came he
was trying to come back from as well. Fair enough, yes,
And finally, Doug, big deal, little deal, and no deal
that with Wenby back, the Spurs handed the Thunder their
second loss of the season.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
That's big, even bigger. Did you see he only played
like twenty one minutes and they were a plus twenty
two when he was on the court, like literally a
dominant team with him on the court. Without him on
the court, they were minus. That's a big deal that
he's back.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
My long and historic radio career. Welcome in. This is
the DG Show. It's a Monday. Merry Christmas to you,
Happy Hanukah to you, Chris. Tragic weekend obviously in Australia
and in Los Angeles. Oh, just terrible stuff. This is
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this weekend. Fair to say. Living in Green Bay Wisconsin.
Most people will say their Super Bowl hopes just went
out the window. Michael Parsons finally got a holding call
against him, not against him when he was held, and
yet torn acl DeVante Adams injury. There are many injuries,
(01:38):
none as prominent as Parsons and Pat Mahomes. And I
let's just start there. I wouldn't do it until it
was done. And a little bit of this is the
college basketball player than analysts, the now college basketball coach
that I am, which is the don't ever call it's
(02:00):
the rudy Tom Joonovitch. Never underestimate the heart of a champion. Right.
Kansas won what was it a bajillion straight Big Twelve championships,
So I wasn't picking against them until they were eliminated
to win the champion win the Big Twelve championship. The
same goes for I mean again, you think of times
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in our life you have Kobe Bryant, job's not done
or the George bush Remember George bush on was it
an aircraft carrier? Right? And the war was still going
on and went on afterwards? Was like mission accomplished? Like
not yet. I am a Charger fan, like the Chargers,
(02:43):
like the Packers. Those are my teams. Always liked the Packers,
by the way, like we just moved to Green Bay.
You've been a Packer fan for exactly one point five
years more hardcore one point five. But I was born
in Wisconsin. I was born in Milwaukee. They used to
play Milwaukee. Always been a Packer guy. Buts are my
team and became my team in nineteen ninety three when
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the Rams and then the Raiders pulled out of Los
Angeles and the Chargers ntetron means stand the man Humphreys right,
old Boss Ross as the coach. They end up going
to a Super Bowl getting stomp ony the Denver Broncos. Right,
So now you're getting the timelines, got it. But I've
watched the Kansasity Chiefs and I thought for the last
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couple of years, like they're not great, and yet they
pop up in the AFC Championship Game or the Super Bowl.
And so I made a commitment to you all, but
truly to myself, I am not gonna call time of
death until he's dead. Do we not learn anything from
Joe Perturno. It's a quick side story for you, Dan Byer.
I was working at ESPN at the time, and everybody's like,
(03:46):
Joe Perturno, is he dead? Is he alive? And then
anybody who tweeted like hey rip to Joe Paterno and
you worked at ESPN, they would get mad at you,
like he's not officially dead yet, Like I didn't say anything,
just said rest in peace. Okay, now we can do it.
Now we can do post mortem. Now we can declare
the chiefs officially the departed, officially deceased for this season
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or as as inside the NBA like to do gone fishing.
It's over. And then you have Pat Mahomes tearing his
acl and you'll get people spinning it like, well now
he gets the proper time off, like he tore his knee.
There's nothing good about that. But the question becomes, okay,
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question becomes I think threefold. There's three questions I have.
One does this make the Patriots dynasty look even better? Two?
Is it a reload or rebuild? Three? What do you
do with Kelsey? And maybe more importantly, what do you
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do with any Reed? What do you do with Kelsey?
What do you do with any Red? The first thing
is I do think it makes the Patriots look better.
Now it was year nine that Tom Brady tore his
ACL and then there was a there was a span
of ten years where he didn't win a Super Bowl.
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But what's lost in that discussion is year eight they
went undefeated and undefeated into the Super Bowl like they
were the best team in football, winning towards knee. Same thing.
I do think there's the you know, and that was
the only year they didn't make the playoffs of the
year that he missed. I do think there's a difference
there and that they've been able to be more consistent
(05:36):
and now Kim Mahomes proved us all wrong and come
back next year and they can rebuild the team or
reload the team and get back on their winning ways. Sure,
because remember up until this year, this is the first
year in the seven years he's been a starting quarterback
that they haven't reached at least the ANFC Championship game.
That's insane. But if he's gonna do it, Travis Kelsey's
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got to go if he's gonna do it. But I
don't think it's crazy to say Andy Reid could step aside. Now.
The one thing about Reid you might think about is
you continue to load up more of his staff with
more guys and he becomes a lot more of a figurehead.
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That's the only thing I can think of. But you
need a completely revamped offense because the wide receivers. You know,
Rice took a hell of a hit. I know Jason
Sewart was very happy to see that last night. But
the receivers, there's just not a lot there there. They're
gonna need another star tight end or two. They need
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to completely revamp what they're doing. They started with the
offensive line. There's nothing wrong with my homes. He'll be fine.
Put better players around him, and maybe they need to
refine scheme. So the first thing is I do think
more of the Patriots because of it. I do. The
second thing is or I would absolutely move on from
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Travis Kelce. I don't think anybody would feel robbed by
his career. I don't think anybody would think it's a
bad idea for him to move on, And with any Reid,
I don't know. He's done so much for that organization.
If he wants to fight back and rebuild it, he can.
If he wants to walk away, he can. I do
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think he deserves carte blanche. And then the last part
is is it a rebuild or is it a reload?
And my answer is yes. You're like, wait, that's an
or question. I know, because I don't know what you
call it. Usually a rebuild would mean new quarterback, all
new coaches, kind of an all new team. And I
don't think you need that, although I don't think if
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any Reid doesn't have the energy to get rid of
some things, to cut some things, to fix some things,
to trim some things, to make himself less comfortable, and
maybe the fourth addendum to it, or the fourth the
item is, is any of this related to when Pat
Mahomes took that gargantuan deal and we thought it was
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in the middle to the end of it, it was
team friendly and they haven't been able to manage a
good enough roster around him ever since he had that deal.
And I think the answer is yes. I think the
answer is yes. Byer, let me ask you, do you
rebuild or do you reload or doesn't matter what term
you use, because you're with me, you're somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Well, see, this is part of the problem that it's
I think that you I think that you can continue
with Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. I don't think that
Travis Kelcey is a part of their future, and in fact,
I think it's one of the reasons why the Chiefs
got to this point leading up to this game is
they haven't found a spot for someone to replace a
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player like Travis Kelcey. They've also tried and missed with
other receivers that haven't panned out as well as they
would have hoped. But all in all, like amazing run,
I don't think a complete overhaul is needed by any means.
I just think that over these last couple of years
they've been able to successfully and sometimes fill spots, and
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then now they're starting to get some of the repercussions
of that where those additions and those players aren't doing
enough to make them a winning team. So I would
keep I would hope that Amy Reid would stay on,
and I hope that Mahomes is fine. But I think
that the Travis Kelcey era is over. I think they
just try to reload and revamp in spots that they
(09:37):
have been unable to do for whatever reason, maybe in
the past year or two.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, I completely agree with that. Does it make you
think more of the Patriots that they were able to
keep it going longer.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
No, because I think that what they did is amazing.
Like for anybody to think that someone's going to be
able to match what New England did, I think is
that's the part where we get it wrong. Their run
is just unmatched and even with the dry spell, and
(10:08):
that's maybe what Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs will come
up with it during this period. Maybe this is the
dry spell where they don't win super Bowl championships. But
the only difference is Andy Reid's probably not going to
be there then for the second half of it, because
by that time maybe there would be a new coach.
But yeah, I just what New England did was just
(10:29):
absolutely ridiculous on all levels. So I've always held that
in very high regard.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I have as well. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm with you on rebuild,
More Reload.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
I do have one more thing just with this though,
because I think it's something that we've talked about. So
when you look at this window, if this is it, like,
this is a great success. And I find it funny
because remember the Cowboys documentary we talked about and we
watched and we consumed and we love again. When you
look at that Jimmy Johnson Jerry Jones dynasty, that was
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three Super Bowl wins in four years, and that was it.
There was no random one before, there was no random
one after. That was it. But we look at that
Cowboys team so much so that you could make a
documentary or at least half of it be about that
squad where they had great success in four years. So
what the Chiefs have done over the last seven eight
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seasons in the National Football League is really really remarkable,
especially if we're taking a Cowboys sort of dynasty in
that four year span and putting in on such a pedestal.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's a completely fair way of looking at it. And
I have great regard for the Chiefs. I do, and
probably more so than ninety five percent of other football fans,
because I remember when the Chiefs were the good regular
season team, always lose it home in the playoffs. Always
thought it was odd that they would lose at home
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in the playoffs when they have arguably the best atmosphere
in the playoffs. Do I think that their fans got
fat and sassy and arrogant. Of course, all fan bases
do when you start winning. That's what happens, especially the
consistency with which they won, doesn't take away from me
what the team became with the franchise became, what they've
been able to do. It also shows just how monumental
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it is for this whole thing to collapse the way
in which he did collapse. And I would also point
out that that it's also interesting how good the Broncos,
how quickly the Broncos have gotten good. And I think,
look the Chargers winning yesterday. Granted you're going against backups
all over the place, especially back up at quarterback, but
they just found a way to survive. Like even then,
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you still respect the Chiefs because you're like, they'll still
find a way because they just find a way because
they're a championship team.
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watched a lot of sports this weekend. We had the
weekend off Daan Bier. Now, with the weekend off means
you're watching a lot of film, you're drinking a lot
of coffee. We had a fairly short practice, actually wasn't
that short film practice yesterday morning, but plenty of time
to watch all the games. So I was watching the
Browns and that debacle against the Bears, and I just
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think the whole thing is all of this speaks to why,
if you're the Browns, Shadoor Sanders has to be one
point five x of what you think you're looking for
to keep him. Here's what I mean. They had something
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with his wristband right where I don't know if it's
the wrong wristband, if something was written on it. He
got confused by something I don't know. They changed the wristband,
and if you look on social media from that point
until today, it was Kevin Stefanski went in and changed
the wristband because he personally wants to see Shador Sanders
fail right again, that's the level of crazy we have
(14:37):
supporting Shadoor Sanders. We have supporting he. The throat to
Jerry Judy in the end zone was on the money,
but it was a great defensive play, and it is
one of those ones where we always ask ourselves, why
did think I just intercept the ball? In that case
he did. The interception to the linebacker was a terrible throat.
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It just was he didn't layer it, he didn't look,
he knew the read, he thought he was open, and
he just throw it. They're not good. He didn't play well.
That's that's kind of my synopsis of it. Here's Kevin's
Kevin Stefanski is head coach, talking about your door's performance.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I'm obviously thinking about just this game and those type
of things. He's a young player that is making progress,
like we've talked about all week, and I see it
in games, I get to see it in practice. There's
gonna be ups and downs to young players in particular
quarterback position. So we'll learn from it and we'll be
better next week.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Here shud Or Sanders talking about what he can learn
from a game like that.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Had a great defensive scheme, and I enjoy playing against him.
I enjoyed playing and that because you know, it was
definitely a little chalent. So I look forward to learning
from that and look forward to to understanding exactly, you know,
how things was on film, and uh, just be able
(16:01):
to learn from it.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Should or had this exchange with a reporter about the
starting job.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
You're not worried about losing your job or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
When he says something like.
Speaker 7 (16:09):
That, you know, with league we in, you can lose
your job at any point in time, So you don't.
You don't play. You don't play with fear when you
when you live and play and fear then you know,
like and that be yourself, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
So I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
I don't play or live in fear. Whatever situation I'm in,
I'm in whatever happens, It happens, you know. But I
live each moment and try to live each days to
the fullest. So never live and worry or fear.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I listen. I love that, Okay, I love that because
you can't play with one eye on the bench, you
can't worry about being pulled by the way. His coach's
told everybody, we're not making a coach in a quarterback
change the rest of the year, so he doesn't have
the fear because it's not going to happen. But my
point is this is a lot like whether it's an
old school walk on versus scholarship player or you know,
(17:01):
Jay stud take your Dodgers. You know, a guy you
pay twenty million two is supposed to guy you pay
a million two. The guy you pay a million two
has to be one point five x better than the
twenty million guy because otherwise, like why you pay him
twenty million dollars. And for the Browns, they have the
chance to draft a quarterback in the first round. But
you're not going to draft a quarterback in the first
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round if you have Shador Sanders, because anytime he doesn't play,
it becomes some confirmation of a bias against him. He
can't do it. So he doesn't just have to prove
that he can play the position competently. He has to
buy my estimation, prove he can someday be a star.
Otherwise all this other nonsense isn't worth it. It's just not
(17:45):
just not stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's catch up with the former general manager of the
Raiders and Chargers. Tom Telesco joins us and tell me
a bunch of things to get to Obviously, I think
I but I don't remember if people remember this story.
You passed on drafting Pat Mahomes, and like a year
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and a half later, I was driving to your game
when you opened up the season against the Chiefs and
you said, this division is in trouble for the next
decade because this kid is is that good? When you
see him carted off yesterday? When you see the age
of Travis Kelce and that they're not going to make
(18:32):
the playoffs. As a guy who competed in that division
for the entirety of this dynasty up until this year,
what goes through your mind?
Speaker 8 (18:43):
That's funny to say that because I was taking the
same thing yesterday. I spent twelve years as a GM
in AFC West, my first year out at this year
and their dynasty end. So I don't know if that's
a coincidence. They're just horribly bad luck for me. But look,
with Andy Reid and Brett Beach don't be able to
reach tool it and a little bit of a rebuild
moving forward around Mahomes, But they've got some work to do.
(19:06):
You know, when you look at the team, like you said,
like like Kelsey is closer to the end, he may
end up retiring this year. They still have issues at
both tackle spots. Now, hopefully the rookies. Josh Simmons, he'll
keep coming along. He just wasn't quite ready for prime
time yet, but I think he should be fine. But
Costrick Mahomes took a lot of hits this year. Everybody
talks about all the hits that justin Herbert took. What
Mahomes is right there, so that was an issue for them.
(19:30):
And then offensively, when three of your top four receivers
are one hundred and seventy five pounds or less, that's
an issue if you're not getting those big explosive plays
down the field with speed, and they're not getting those,
So a lot of short intermediate throws, a lot of
plays in between the numbers, and there's a physicality to
the game that it's hard to hold up at that size.
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Those hits take their tolls. And then you saw yesterday
just with the elements and the physical places and the
chargers that the charger or the chief receiver had a
difficult time. So they're gonna have to relook at that group,
try and add some more size to the speed. You
look at the running back group, They've got some work
to do on offense. Defensively, I think they have a
lot of nice pieces still. I think they'll be fine
(20:12):
on that side of the ball, but they have a
lot of work to do on offense.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Let's let's let's go around that division a little bit.
What about the Chargers. Yes, the Chiefs have massive injuries,
not by the playoffs. It's not like the Chargers have
been injury free. Granted, Herbert is playing and he's played
through the broken bone in his left hand, but lose
the book end titles. You've been on that plane ride
home from winning in Kansas City. What must that plane
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ride been home last night have been like? Considering it's
not just a win in Kansas City, but it's an elimination.
They vanquished the Chiefs in Kansas City. What's that ride like?
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Yeah, it's great because it keeps their playoffs hopes alive.
With the Chargers, that sounds a big win. I mean,
these are essentially playoff games for them to make sure
they get a wildcaracter. I don't think it looks like
they're not going to be able to win at the Vision,
but to make sure they secure the wildcard. But Jim
Harbaugh is a lot like Chris Signetti, Like he just wins.
He figures out ways to win. It wasn't the prettiest
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game yesterday, but in that cold weather they were down
by ten, they just kept grinding it out and a
little bit of the run game, a little bit of
Justin Herbert just making some Justin Herbert type plays. But
the biggest thing yesterday for the Chargers the defense just
played really really well. They're physical, they got to the football.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Derwin Jeans had one of his better games of the year.
Denzel Perriman still when when it when it's run game,
I mean he can stick and he can tackle. Uh
truly Twuly below to excite to say that twice difficult name,
great player, had a ton of pressure, you know, took
advantage of the Chiefs tackle. So does a really nice
(21:47):
job by by Jesse Mentor and the Chargers defense really
just shutting down came the city's offense.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I watched
every snap of the Packers Broncos game, and I walked
away unbelievably impressed with the Broncos. Unbelievably impressed. The play
calling on third down was really good. The defense in
the red zone is amazing. What are the tweaks and
(22:14):
changes they've been able to make to get them to
this point.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Well, the defense has been strong all year and that
will continue to be strong, and that's their playoffs ready
right now. I think offensively, RG Harvey has really taken
off with the offense or using him a lot. He's
a smaller back, but he's fast, he's explosive. They can
throw him out of the backfield as well. But bo
Nicks just week after week after week, you see he's
(22:42):
just complete confidence and improvement, and he's tough, he's athletic,
and the one thing that it's hard as a young
quarterback to play well in the red zone. Those windows
close quickly, and he's been outstanding in the red zone.
I thought he was great yesterday. I'm just controlling the game.
Green Bay I think is still going to be fine.
I know, I know they lost Michael Parsons. I still
(23:04):
don't think they're gonna be okay. But it was a
great game against two really good teams. But Denver, and
they've shown us from probably week three on. They're situational football,
especially in a second half of the outstanding. That's Sean
Payton's calling card. He has them very prepared for late games,
fourth quarter and late game decision making. And I just
love how Bonux is playing this year right now.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
I do, you me Broth both I do. How do you?
How would you feel if you're the Patriots today considering
you so thoroughly dominated the first half and then the
third quarter really did him in, you know, three and
out and then an interception, you give up three straight touchdowns.
How would you feel if you're in New England today?
Speaker 8 (23:48):
Well, you don't feel great, but you just have to
look at the thick picture and you know you're gonna
have games like this every now and then. This has
not been their m but they ran into a big
time quarterback with Josh Allen, and Josh Allen did his
thing in the second half. The only concern with New
England They have a very good running game. He saw
that yesterday between Trevion Henderson. But Midre Stevens is a
(24:10):
big back who they'll probably use a lot more even
in the playoffs, as if they get an outdoor game.
He's powerful and strong inside and Drake May is very
atlex so he can get yards with his seat. But
the perimeter weapons are just okay. They're not great. They
didn't have a whole lot of completions outside. You know,
Matt Collins was their leading receiver, I think, with just
four catches, so they didn't get a whole lot of
(24:31):
production on the outside. But this has been their their
recipe to play, and they've played better defense than they
did yesterday. I just think Buffalo in the second half
just got things going. And Josh Allen is the best
player in the league and they ran into him in
the fourth quarter, couldn't quite slow him down. But in
the end, these are two really good football teams. I
think they both had a chance to go far in
(24:51):
the playoffs. New England you can see that going into
the year. They may be still a year away from
having enough talent offense, but Drake May is just putting
the team on the shoulders there. I need some more
weapons on the outside eventually down the road, but they're
getting back with it right now.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
What did you last week when you were on with us?
It was right when I threw out the Hey, what
if Shane Styke can calls Philip Rivers and you laughed
it off. I kind of laughed it off. Whatever. They
not only do it, but they start him. They start him.
Here's the first question that people ask. I have my
own opinion, but you've been in the league and executed
(25:28):
this job very very well. Why would you call Philip
Rivers if, for example, your rookie quarterback Riley Leonard is healthy,
why would you start pr.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
It's so funny because, yeah, how good of an analysts
am I You asked me about that and I just
kind of dismissed it and just talked about Riley Leonard
for you know, two or three minutes, and then a
couple of hours later, and there you go. You know,
Philip Rivers is working out for the Colts. I think
from a from a coaching standpoint, certainly at this time
of the year where these games are so important, they're
making a playoff push, there's just that comfort factor with
(26:03):
a veteran quarterback that's been there, done that versus a
rookie quarterback and Riley Leonard. That thought Roly Leonard played
pretty well last week, but you're talking about a rookie
quarterback number one, number two, a rookie quarterback coming off
some sort of knee injury last week. I know we
practiced some full during the week, but it was a
bit of an issue when we talked last Monday. So
I think when we had a young quarterback coming off
(26:23):
a knee and they had, you know, Shane and Philip,
like we taught, well, we didn't get a chance to
talk about before, but they're so close, they know each
other so well, and I think they figured let's just
give it a shot. And I was impressed with what
Shane did with the game plan. He put a game
plan together that Bill could execute on essentially three days
of practice in one walkthrough, which which is amazing. And
(26:43):
that's basically heavy run game and in a short passing
game where you can get the ball to a receiver
a tight end of running back early and that run
out we got to run after or run get the
yards after the catch there and try and get some
yardist that way. Doug, it is difficult to win this league.
If you're going to run the ball at a shotgun
thirty times and then the average four point four yards
(27:04):
per past attempt, they may kind of start to get
the offense a little bit more down the field this week.
After Philip gets you get the feet wet, they're going
to have to because if you don't, your defense has
to play lights out. And the defense played really, really yesterday.
I mean, the whole Seattle to no touchdowns is pretty impressive.
There just wasn't enough at the end. But I just
think it's that comfort factor between the head coach and
(27:25):
a veteran quarterback, and certainly that veteran quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Speaking of that veteran quarterback, what is Philip Rivers like
to deal with on a day by day basis as
somebody who did it for nine years? It was nine years,
I think.
Speaker 8 (27:41):
No, he's absolutely unbelievable. Football conversations with him are incredible
because he has got great perspective. He's the son of
a high school football coach and now he is a
high school football coach. But he just had great perspective
on the team. He had a great perspective on the
players around him about everything, and uh, he's just a
(28:02):
fascinating some fascinating person to talk to when it comes
to football. So I can see, you know, from a
coaching standpoint, it's a dream because he is so smart.
He knows the game so well. He knows all the
other factors that kind of play into the game, especially
situational football. Yeah, I really enjoyed my conversation with him,
and I did the same thing with Justin Herbert after
Justin got a little bit older. I bounced a lot
(28:24):
of things off Philip and a lot of things off Justin.
I think that you're starting quarterback. You know, your franchise
quarterback needs to have a little input on what's going on.
And it was great feedback for me to hear from
them on certain things, even you know, offense wise, team wise,
player wise. And I'll go with a big help.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
If you are Cleveland again, and you could tell me
different If I'm wrong, I don't think you can keep
Shador and draft somebody in the first round. I just don't.
I just think the noise around Shador is too loud,
and if you bring in a first round pick, you're
gonna play that quarterback and that that just don't work.
That is that a fair assessment?
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Well, I don't know if it's fair, because that's that's
the job of the head coach of general manager. If
there's noise, you got to handle it. A lot of
hypotheticals right now with SHADERA Sanders as compared to you know,
who could be in the draft, and this is going
to be a pretty light draft. I'm seeing some quarterbacks
in the transfer portal rather than declining for the draft,
so essentially have to compare what they have versus who
(29:24):
could be available. But if they do draft a quarterback,
then yeah, it's our job to handle that. You just
can't pass on a player you think may have a
chance to be a franchise quarterback because either can't handle
the noise. That's part of the job with your door.
I saw some I didn't see so much of the
game yesterday, but it sounds like I didn't miss much,
you know, losing thirty one to three. I saw some
really good things from him from the week before. But
(29:47):
it's also and I'm glad he's getting a body work
late in the year. But it's hard to get a
great deal for the development just because the cast around
them just isn't isn't there right now. They've got a
ton of injuries on the offensive line, they don't have
a lot of skill position players. They have they have
two rookies are outstanding with Harold Fan and the Judkins.
But they don't have a lot around him yet. But
there's talent there. You can see it. He's tough, so
(30:08):
he can get the ball out of his hand. He's
accurate at all levels. He needs work, he needs development,
but I'm sure they'll compare him to who's available and
go from there. And yeah, it could be a tough
situation to handle, but that's part of the job.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Tell me you're the best. Appreciate all you do for
me for the show. We'll talk very very soon. Thanks
for being our guest.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
You got Doug. Thanks.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Stug gott Leeb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. If
you're listening to us on the radio side. This is
Jason Stewart's favorite Christmas song.
Speaker 9 (30:46):
That's right, That's right?
Speaker 10 (30:48):
Do they know?
Speaker 9 (30:48):
It's Christmas band Aid nineteen eighty four. There's a documentary
you can watch it. It's fun, it's got a great
driving beat and it still holds up today. Every time
I hear it, I think of the Holidays, and I
think Boy George is the best performance in this ensemble,
Kyle Brant thinks that the best performance is George. H
(31:13):
Why am I spacing on his last name, Dan George
Michael Michael. So I put in a tweet at Kyle
Brant that boy George has the best performance in this
ensemble of great performances, and I was greeted by boy
George blocking me on Twitter for complimenting him. I can
(31:33):
show you proof that I am blocked by boy George.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Over abates boy George's the count.
Speaker 11 (31:39):
Oh yeah, it's official misunderstanding. I think potentially unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Dan Bayer, do you have a favorite Christmas song?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Well, you know, obviously, you know Last Christmas by Wham
is always been my favorite. Now it's over the last
five years, is just taking on a whole you know.
I feel like it's your favorite band became mainstream and
so then you're like, great, now everybody likes it and
it's overused, but it's always Yeah, it's always been a favorite.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's great tune. I do think you're looking at that
one wrong. I understand what you're talking about, the parallel
you're drawing your favorite band goes mainstream, But I do
think when it's like to all that matters is to
you like you?
Speaker 10 (32:25):
That's fair enough.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, yes, Sammy, you got one.
Speaker 10 (32:29):
You know.
Speaker 11 (32:29):
I love Whitney Houston's cover of do You Hear What
I Hear? That always gets that one gets me tingly inside,
warm and christmasy feeling inside. Play that next week or something.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
My favorite Christmas album is Kenny Rogers Christmas and he's
got a couple of different varieties of but Kenny Rogers
singing some Christmas tunes.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
It's the good stuff.
Speaker 11 (32:49):
None of these choices got out of the eighties, by
the way, him and Dolly Parton. What is the name
of that song? It's not a Christmas song. You think
of Islands in the Stream. No, no, no, I'm thinking of
Dolly Parton and Kenny Rogers.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
Well, she's not on any other songs that that. I
was Hold on a second, I know this is just
let's listen.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
I'll search it. Thank you you search it.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Let's do some work. Let's get to a game with
Dan Byer.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
This is the story of us, by the way, like
we I just I just wanted a song and then
we got diverted. All right.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
The greatest gift of all. You guys have heard that
you would, I'll play it next time.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, it's but it's not on my Kenny Rogers album
that I love.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Yes, I got you.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Kenny Rodgers singing like you know, favorite Things is amazing.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
All right? What's today's game? Sorry? Today's game is big deal?
Speaker 5 (33:47):
Little deal? No deal?
Speaker 10 (33:49):
Big deal, little deal or no deal?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Doug That JJ McCarthy got the best of Dak Prescott
and the Cowboys on Sunday Night Football.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
I think it's a big deal. Like we've all crapped
on the kid. We've all thought he's not good enough,
and then he played really well last night on National TV.
I don't care if the Cowboys defense is any good.
I don't care the playoffs. You can only care about
your personal development. And he looked better than he's looked previously.
Big deal, all.
Speaker 10 (34:16):
Right, big deal, little deal or no deal?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
That JJ McCarthy did the gritty in the end zone
on his way to a touchdown run, which, by the way,
he was told not to do it by head coach
Kevin O'Connell earlier in the week. Is that a big deal,
little deal or not?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
I think this is like Cuba Good and Jor's character
in Jeremy McGuire right, where all of a sudden you're
just kind of overtaken by emotion and you do something
that you know you weren't supposed to do or didn't want.
I don't want to dance, Jerry. Not gonna dance, Jerry.
I think it's a little deal.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Kevin Seiffert of ESPN has the McCarthy quote of I
did it in practice and I was told not to
do it, So just me being who I am, it's like, oh,
now I'm more enticed to do it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
That. I gotta be honest with you. I feel a
lot of myself in that quote. I got it.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Maybe that was.
Speaker 4 (35:13):
Do you think that was nine talking? Or do you
think that was JJ McCarthy talking. Maybe that was nine.
Speaker 9 (35:20):
Nine doesn't follow the rules?
Speaker 10 (35:21):
Yes, nine doesn't follow the rules.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
JJ follows the rules.
Speaker 10 (35:28):
Uh And by the way, what what does no? In German?
All right? Big deal? Little deal of no deal?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
That Nebraska quarterback Dylan Royola and Florida quarterback DJ Legway
have entered the transfer portal.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Uh So dilar Aila, his brother de committed. His dad
was a coach on the staff and he left the team,
so yeah, we saw all this coming. The question is
does he have to transfer to Texas Tech and does
he have to tear his a cl because he has
that Mahomes complex, like you really want to be like
Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Now it's got a broken leg that he came he
was trying to come back from as well. Fair enough, yes,
And finally, Doug, big deal, little deal, and no deal
that with Wenby back, the Spurs handed the Thunder their
second loss of the season.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
That's big, even bigger. Did you see he only played
like twenty one minutes and they were a plus twenty
two when he was on the court, like literally a
dominant team with him on the court. Without him on
the court, they were minus. That's a big deal that
he's back.
Speaker 10 (36:29):
And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
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