August 6, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug explains why Louis Riddick and anyone else is wrong when they say Shedeur Sanders is being set up to fail. Doug welcomes FSR NFL Insider Adam Caplan onto the show to talk about the Cowboys, Shedeur Sanders and all of the NFL headlines. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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business that I work in. Jay stew has worked in
Dan Byer's worked in for all of us over twenty years. Sam,
you're on what you were you on? Sam? You're over
a decade in, aren't you in radio? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Fifteen years. So that's a lot of experience we'll share
with our thoughts of Howard Stern. I don't know if
he's calling a quits or if I don't know if
he's done, if he's going to do his own thing.
I'm going to launch a podcast, you know, the thing
we all think, we all do. Speaking of which, this
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want to play for you something I saw on TV
and I was like what And then I heard Cowherd
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call him out without calling him out again. That's probably
the art of cow Herd is many people he can
call out and he doesn't need their names, really smarter
than what I do. Whereas I just name their names.
I don't care. It's your words. You said it, you
own it. If I say it, I own it as well,
as long as it's not taking out of context. Right. Okay,
So Shadoor Sanders is going to start for the Browns
in their first preseason game. As Dan Bayer told you, yesterday.
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That's because Joe Flacco is old. You don't want him
getting hurt. And you know the other two quarterbacks, Dylan Gabriel,
who's drafted ahead of him, he's hurt. You know, both
quarterbacks in front of him are injured. So he's going
to get a chance to start. But I want you
to listen to something that Lewis Ridick said. Okay, remember
Lewis Riddick was a scout in the NFL. He's he's
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been on a kind of a jet pack to success
working at ESPN. Here was his take on Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm afraid he's going to get on the field in
preseason games without a lot of practice reps, and then
they're going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks
in order to prove that he's worthy of being a
starter when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps,
They play a whole half of a game and then
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all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake. Why aren't you making that check? Well, damn, coach,
I never was in there in practice. You never even
talked to me during practice. But now you expect me
to know that's what they're gonna expect of him. But
if anyone can get it done, it's this kid, because
he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, they're making it out like the world is out
to get Shador Sanders. And this is one of the
most obnoxious things anyone could ever say, when it's about
themselves or about somebody else who was born on third base. Right, Sure,
it's difficult to start a preseason game. What's more difficult
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starting your first preseason game or getting thrown in there
in the fourth quarter with the fourth stringers trying to
make the team. I mean, Lewis Riddick, like, you can
mask it all you want. You're obviously rooting for Shahdore Sanders,
which is okay, okay, But to make it out like
Kevin Stefanski is gonna do this kid wrong. Have you
been to Browns camp? Have you talked to Stefanski? Of
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course you haven't. You been on set of ESPN. So
not saying you don't have sources in the league. You do,
but you're just making assumptions like, oh, this is what
they're gonna do, and I know what they're gonna do,
and they're gonna hold them to a higher standard. But
if anybody can do it, super snor Sanders can do it,
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why would that be the case, what would the purpose be?
I mean, just like again, let's just ask ourselves very honestly,
the Browns are in quarterback purgatory, right, quarterback purgatory. They
had to feel like they didn't have a chance to draft,
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or maybe they didn't want a quarterback in this year's draft.
That's why they traded out of what the number two
spot and traded down right, So maybe they wait for
a year. But if the idea is well, they're waiting
for your If Shador Sanders hits, okay, they get the
steal of the draft. If relevance matters to you, you'll
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be very relevant. But it doesn't matter. They simply want
somebody who's good and oh yeah, by the way, he'll
be inexpensive. He's a fifth round draft pick. He costs
you nothing. I mean, this is brock Purty two point zero,
only he was evaluated at a higher level than brock
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perty even though brock Purty different but very successful college
quarterback who had some similar struggles late in his college
career because he was playing at Iowa State. He wasn't
playing at Oklahoma. But this idea that the world's out
to get a schor Sanders, Oh, I know how this works.
They're gonna set him up for failure. That's what Lewis
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Reddick said. They're setting him up for failure. They're gonna
ask him to do things. How do you know that?
Why would they do that? What would the purpose be
of it? And the idea that, well, this is just
so incredibly difficult. The only guy that could do is
to shoot or Sanders, I'm telling you right now, do
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you think it's more difficult and you probably don't have
all of the ones to play with half the ones
and twos? Or to come in the second half of
the first preseason game as the four stringer and play
with four stringers, especially a quarterback who is not the
most mobile, holds onto the ball too long, and is
in a new offense. Which one do you think is
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a more difficult task? And the idea that a team
that owns the rights to a guy who some people
had as a first round pick on their board falls
to the fifth round, and they don't want to take
advantage of what could be an absolute gift in terms
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of salaries, right because remember they're still they still have
Deshaun Watson under contract. Deshaun Watson is still under contract
with the Cleveland Browns. I believe he gets paid the
next two years. Right. They reworked his deal in this offseason.
He's got two He tours Achilles ten and twice, so
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he's not gonna play this year. He's he doesn't get
paid by the team. He gets paid probably by insurance.
But it does hit the books. If they can have
a rookie quarterback on a fifth round contract and they
can jettison you know, Huntley who they just signed h
and all the other court like they let's just kind
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of call it like it is, they'll be have a
chance to be the Niners two point zero, where you
pay your quarterback nothing and you load up your roster
with dudes that can really play things that NFL teams
don't do. You know, again, unless Shador has actually like
a complete ass the whole time, unless he has made
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himself into a pariah. And if he was made into
a pariah, they would have already cut him. They would
have already moved on sign multiple quarterback. Well, why they
signed Tyler Huntley because you need more guys to throw footballs.
You can't have one guy throwing two hundred balls every
day at practice and everybody else's hurt. You heard Dan
Byer yesterday say, Hey, everybody else's hurt. There's a good
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friend of mine who's been a general manager in the NFL,
and he used to tell me that when I'd ask
him about these types of things, he was like, honestly,
you're watching football from an entertainment perspective. It doesn't work
that way. The only thing we care about is if
we can win games. How can we win games? And
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you can win games when you have more money to
play with for the rest of your roster, and if
you have Shodoor Sanders any really good enough and he
go in there and not screw it up and just
throw the ball. We're it's supposed to throw it. If
he doesn't have it, throw it away. You know, get
everybody what anything to get. Let's make it super simple
for you. You're just a rookie. You line up, you might
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hand the ball off nine times and ten. Great if
you can do that, and we can save a bunch
of money, we can build up a roster around you.
But he see, I never forget this. I'd said this
with Jason earlier today, like that's entertainment. And yeah, ESPN
the E does stamp for entertainment, But there's no E
in NFL. There's win games or get a new job.
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So the idea that they would rather make Shador Sanders
look bad by elevating him too soon despite a lack
of practice reps is comical. By the way, the job
of a backup quarterback is, if you have no reps,
figure out a way to get it done in the game.
Just kiss, keep it simple, stupid. But I told you
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guys this yesterday and I mean it. Shador Sanders is
going to be the new Kaepernick if he gets cut
by the Browns. Every time a quarterback goes down, you'll
have somebody go. You know, they should sign Shador Sanders.
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Speaker 2 (11:14):
So there's this theory. If you listen to Dodger sports
talk or read the message boards, or you're a part
of Dodgers Twitter, there's a segment of people who was
not pissed off at Andrew Friedman for doing zero at
the trade deadline, and they they were playing the same notes.
It was almost like when the Democrats send their talking
points out to all their all their political the.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Way the Republicans, Yeah, you do the same thing, right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They said the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the il like so many people said that it sounded scripted.
Max Munsey came off the IL. So for one night,
for a period of two and a half hours, that
minority of people who thought they were very clever by
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saying that the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the eel, they were proven right for two and a
half hours.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Fair enough, fair enough, pretty amazing, though, how one guy
can one guy can help and we'll see you. You know,
Aaron Judge couldn't do it for the Yankees last night?
Didn't they lose? No walk off? I think they did,
But you mentioned how much the Yankees need Aaron Judge.
Same type of thing, right, Sometimes one guy, obviously Aaron
Judge a little bit more than Max Bunts. They can
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make a difference in stats, but sometimes it's just about energy.
We'll get to Adam Kaplan in a moment. It's our
Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. He also host the Inside
the Birds podcast. Uh I do think that the Dodgers
are the most interesting thing in baseball right like, don't
get me wrong, living in Wisconsin, the Brewers are super
interesting and they've had an unbelievable year. But the Dodgers,
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if they have the ability to repeat, and then they
were playing so well, and yes it was injuries, but
then they just started to fall apart. Now they've won,
but two of three, three of five, you know, they
got to finish up this homestand for the thing on
the Angels that it's the Padres Series and then it
gets really interesting. They play the Padres like I think
six out of nine games, So we'll find out where
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the Dodgers are at that point in time. Stug Gottlieb show,
you're on Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in Adam Kaplan.
Of course he has the Inside the Birds podcast. Plus
he's our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider and Adam, let
me ask you, what are people like yourself who cover
the NFL saying about the NFL network and ESPN merger.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Yeah, it's interesting. So Doug, you may or may not
have known this, but back I think No. Nine or
Twenty ten ESPN and NFL Net in the NFL actually
talked about potential for merger, but you didn't go far.
But and there were there were concerns about how much
control the NFL wanted over content and all that, so
it didn't happen. I just remember when I got to
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ESPN in twenty thirteen, It's one of the first things
I heard about. And then you always want to could
this ever happen? And it's gonna happen, and we're waiting.
Obviously it's got to get approved by government and it
will and then see how this shakes out. But it's
it's very interesting. A lot of people are curious about
what this is going to look like. We're certain shows,
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show's gonna go what control?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
What is NFL?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
What is ESPN going to do with NFL networks programming?
Certain shows? Are they going to get a rid of shows?
What's absorbed? What's not that? When you have a merger,
that's what happens. It's like what do they take? What
do what do they decide not to keep going? So
it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's gonna be really really interesting, really interesting. Okay, let's
get to some of the stuff. What's going on with
the Cowboys? You had Jerry Jones with the acting like
they had a deal agreed to. He's like, hey, when
about the cowboys thirty second conversation a handshake agreement, but
Micah Parsons still hasn't signed the term sheet. What are
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you hearing about? What's actually going on in Dallas?
Speaker 6 (15:04):
All right, here's what happened so and here and I'll
get to where we're at now. So basically, Jerry Jones
and Michael Parsons had some pretty interesting conversations about what
the contract would look like, land guarantees and so forth.
But Parsons put a stop to it because he's like,
wait a minute, my agent's not involved. I haven't agreed
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to anything. But they did talk. They talked heavily what
it would look like. But David mulget is his agent,
and Jerry never ran it by Muligeta, and Parsons put
a stop to us.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
So we moved back.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
We move this forward a bunch of months, and he's
having a hold in is Parsons and Jerry Jones thinks
that they had a handshake agreement, but Jerry tried to
pull a fast one. It's just it's it's not good
if you're Michael Parsons, you simply can't play on the
contract that you have, and nor does he plan to.
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And the Cowboy they would like the deal done, like
Michael would, but Jerry wants to kind of hold him
to what they agreed to. But Mike, of course doesn't
think he agreed to anything. They just they talked heavily
about what it would look like. So he's gonna make
Parson's gonna make twenty four million this season, and then
you know, if for some reason this doesn't get done
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by the start of the season, which I still think
it will, then you've got next year on the fifth
year option. But he's so vastly underpaid. I mean, we
got deals now over forty million for edge rushers forty
and the guy JJ Watt turns thirty one this fall,
and it's going to average forty one million a season.
So yeah, this has to get done. This circus is
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just it's this is a different one though, I'll tell
you this is for as long as I've covered this
business twenty seven years, I've not seen a situation like
this where owner back try to backdoor a contract negotiation
without the agent being involved.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
You already you would have to ask him. I see
what I find interesting is I know that Jerry and
Mike have had a relationship where Mike has respected Jerry
a lot and they they've talked a lot. And now
Jerry might say, hey, listen, I just wanted to talk
to him and see where he was at and escalade
to something. But Jerry never said, hey, let's get your
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agent involved, let's get this done right now. It was
He's like, it's it's kind of like you mentioned the
term sheet, Well, we've got agreement average per season length
and guarantee its signing. That did and then obviously your
agent has to look it over. But that's it like that,
That's that's kind of the way that he looked at it,
and that's not the way you have to do it,
because he Parsons clearly says he did not agree to it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But again, but what is the why would they grab
him and not run it by his agent? What is
the main.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Well, because because you know, in contracts, you can have
a verbal agreement, but it's not you can't enforce it
because it's not written.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
And that's what you know.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Jerry was talking about that in a way that with
the media this week. He knows that they have to
have it, they have to have a contract, but he
thinks it's a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
That they have a deal.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
So you what you have is their loggerheads here and
at some point Jerry Jones has got to talk to
his agent, David Mulligatta. And in the way it is,
as you know, in contract negotiation, so you don't lose leverage,
neither side wants to call each other. That's that's the
way I can tell you with NFL contracts, it typically
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it's like the agent does not want to call. They
typically will not call less absolutely necessary.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Terry McLaurin,
what's going on there?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Yeah, so you've this is very odd hold it. He
claims he's got an ankle injury. They definitely want to
do a deal. He wants to get a deal. They're
not close as a couple as forty eight hours ago.
I understanding was that they were not close. He wants
a deal in the neighborhood of dk Metcalf, which is
thirty thirty three million a year. Metcalf, by the ways,
a couple of years younger, mclaurin's sort of like the
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heart and Saw the football team.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Here's what you have, Doug, to sum this up.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
You've got a GM in Adam Peters, who definitely wants
to extend mclaurin's contract, but he doesn't have the same
urgency that you would have if you had if you
drafted the player, and he just doesn't have that. It's
just the way it is. He just forever reason doesn't
see it the way McLaurin does.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Now.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
It's not like they offered him twenty million and he
wants thirty three. You're talking about somewhere around twenty seven
to twenty eight million.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
They got to get it up.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
They got to move up, and plus they got to
guarantee at least two years and maybe even partially for
the third. So they're not there yet. But the season
doesn't start till September. But it's not good. One thing
you should know, Doug, and why it's highly unluckly not impossible,
but it's highly unlikely that they would.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Want up trade McLaurin.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
They have no one to fill in for him, like
literally nobody, and Deebo Samuel doesn't play the same position
receiver position. He plays more of a slot gadget hand
it off slants where mclaurin's they're one deep threat.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
So yeah, they're not prepared now.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
If something escalates, I could tell you that they would
have to get a receiver back in the trade, but again,
they really don't want to trade him.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I want to play for you something. This is Lewis Riddick. Yeah,
ok So, so Shador Sanders is going to start the
first preseason game for the Browns, right, And it's by default,
right because they got injuries to the three guys that
had him on the depth chart, or at least two
of them at him on the depth chart, with Joe
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Flacco being old enough. We know Joe Flacco. Okay, so
this was Lewis Riddick earlier today.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You don't get enough reps.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
They play a whole half of a game, and then
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check? Well,
damn coach, I never was in there in practice. You
never even talked to me during practice. But now you
expect me to know. That's what they're gonna expect of him.
But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid,
because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling
you he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay, So he's painting a very difficult picture for shoud
Door Sanders, which is reasonable, but he's acting like the
Browns are intentionally putting him in a situation where he's
going to fail and holding him to a standard which
would be deemed as unfair. Again, that defies logic to me,
because the Browns they should want a young quarterback to
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be able to play, to do what San Francisco has
done the last four years and play a guy and
not pay him anything. What's the reality on your hearing
of how the Browns feel about shud Door Sanders.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Well, a couple things, Doug, the thing that Rick is
talking about, I think is that Sanders has had very
little work with her first team offense. And that's you know,
that's not great because you it's a timing thing, a
rhythm thing.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
We would you would you rather play with the fourth stringers?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Well here's the but no again, I'm just telling you
where's I'm just explaining you from a football No.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I understand what he said. I mean, I understand he's
been like one day throwing with with the ones he's
had obviously all this lead up and prep after that.
But I get like, what what are the other options
that they have? Well, they have.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Tyler Huntley, Yeah, they started. They signed Tyler Huntley, who
just got there. By the way, he's been with them before.
And now their decision not to play Flacco, it's not
about evaluating him.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
They know what they have in Flacco. He brought them
to the playoffs two years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
You could say, look why, one might say, why why
isn't Flack would just play the first half and Sander's
closed the second half, played the second If that, that
to me would been the smarter thing. But they want
Sanders to start here. It's it's not I it's not ideal.
I would agree with Lewis on that it's not a
great thing. Now here's the thing much.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I'm just, I'm just telling you right now, I think
it's it's it makes no sense. I agree with you,
but let me play player perspective. From my from my senses,
I would so much rather play with better players around me,
better offensive lineman, better skill position players, better guys. I
can play with them less, and they're not going to
give him some ornate you know, game plan right like,
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nor are they going to see exotic blitz us from
the defense. It's meat and potatoes. Nobody's showing anything. I
would rather play with the good players than play with
the guys that are likely to be on no rosters
or some other roster.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Although I would tell you though, when you when you're
a third or four shiing quarterback, which you generally has been,
you've worked a lot with those backups, so he should.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Again, I understand when you've worked with more, others are
just clearly better. I'd what I I'm just, I would
much rather play with the starters. That's way better to me.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Yeah, I hear you on that. I honestly again, to
move us alonger, I would have started Flacco, but Stefanski,
Kevin Stefanski, who's their play caller, decided differently.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You mentioned your desires like I would have started Flacco.
There are a lot of teams that are playing their starters.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
In the I know it's changed, do you know why?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Like we went through like a we went through what
A When did McVeigh become the head coach of the Rams?
This is like seventeen years.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Ago, seventeen maybe twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, so wow, that's a long tap. So almost the
last decade, Sean McVay has greatly influenced most of the league.
Most league it was like, yeah, we'll play him a
little bit, and he was like, we're not playing him
now of a sudden, you know, the pendulum swings. Why
all right?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
So the ways explain to me is this because I
asked the same question. There are two things that have happened.
First of all, we went from four to three preseason games,
right that that that changed. And the fourth preseason game
is when nobody would play. The third preseason game was
the dress rehearsal. Well, the starters would play into the
second half. They don't do that anymore. In fact, what
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you're seeing is, okay, the starters will come a lot
some Some teams will play their starters if they've got
to join practice next week.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
They used to join.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Practice as the as the work for the week, and
they don't play in the preseason game. That's been because
the the joint practices have been the big thing is
you know in the National Football League for last oh
four or five years in big time, not every team
all majority of the NFL teams do it, sure, but
it's what what i'd heard is, it's one it's one
last one fewer and the setups a little bit different
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with with one less game to evaluate, you want to
get your starters in a little bit more. Now McVeigh
doesn't seem to care. He just he's like, we're not
getting anyone hurt.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
It's funny Andy Reid when he was in Philly, he
he just he said to me one year because I'm like, coach,
why didn't you play your starters? Just like, my job
is to get my guys to the to the regular
season healthy as possible. But he's changed out with Kansas City,
he's done sort of a one to eighty.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You mentioned Philadelphia. Obviously this is another another super Bowl
and another departure of their offensive coordinator. Has their offense
look so far in the preseason, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Think it's been uneven. Look, it's it's hard to go
against Vic Fangio's defense. The Egles defense coordinator. Now, they
don't blitz, but you know, the number one defense last season.
And they've had some injuries. A. J. Brown's missed practice
with a hamstring injury. Devantie Smith missed overweek with a
back injury, so that that's definitely been a problem for
getting their timing down. But the last three days of
(26:15):
practice this week, they've done much better. And you know,
the big issue for them though, and I spoke about
their defense is they're gonna have a minimum of five
new starters on defense. They're having a That's why they
made this trade this week with the Raiders to to
get a corner. They're struggling a little bit opposite quinnyon Mitche,
who's our first round pick last season. Yeah, Jacorey and
Bennett is the corner. It's gonna wear a number forty nine,
(26:37):
a cameo from the Raiders. So by the way, Eagles
really liked he unfortunately had laboram surgery, shoulder labor surgery.
So he's fine now he's been in practice. But that's
a situation to watch the left cornerback position for the Eagles.
It's it's it's not not looking good right now. That
which is why they mad they just made this trade
this week.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
All right, NFL NFC North is really interesting. Let's start
in Minnesota. What are you hearing Jordan Addison suspended first
three games. That doesn't help the wide receiving core and
you got essentially a rookie quarterback in JJ McCarthy. You know, look,
it's hard to tell. We watched little clips, but the
little clips don't look great. What are you hearing in
terms of returns on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Yeah, so so I'm gonna go back to last summer.
So when he came in, you know, he's a first
round pick and a lot of teams I talked to,
In fact, I know team's had their round great on him.
He had issues with mechanics, footwork, and boy, Kevin O'Connell
make great strides with him. He got hurt in that
first preseason game against the Raiders, and he looked fantastic.
I mean he looked really good, and then he tours
miniscus sometime in that game and his off season, Remember
(27:39):
he didn't get clear till till June. It's been uneven.
You know you mentioned Addison. I mean, he's a lot
of practice. He just can't he can't play for three
weeks first three games. But they're gonna be okay. They're
gonna be okay. Tej Hocketts dealing with something that their
startsight end, which is why they just signed a tight.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
End this week.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Now, one thing you should know is they're gonna have
three new starters from their offensive line. And then Christian
Darrisol missed all last season with an ac ell injury.
So it's a little bit of work in progress there with.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Minnesota Chicago Bears. Caleb Williams, Yeah, a Ken you know,
scrimmagers doesn't look great. There's a lot of chattery. Doesn't
look great. But what are you hearing about the reality
of how the second year quarterbacks plan.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah, it's been it's look, it's been very challenging for
Ben Johnson to get cable ones to play with discipline.
It's been He's certainly been uneven. It's going to take
some time. Ben Johnson coaches real hard. He did a
great job with Jared Goff, who was a reclamation project
after he came over from the Rams. This is going
to take more. Williams mechanics aren't great. He's got great
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talent loose thrower, and he's got a great arm. They're
super loaded with offensive talent, skill positions. They too much
of Minnesota. They have three new starters on the tier
of their offensive line. But they're super excited about the
upside of this team. And Ben Johnson will say this.
He coaches hard, and he's brought a ton of discipline
in they're building, and the players so far have taken
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to it because there's gonna be accountabilding that building, because
there was not last season.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You're the best man. Love working with you, love having
you on, and love your your overall knowledge of everything
that's going on. It's so great. Thanks so much for
being Yes, Fox Sports Radio. All right, that's our Fox
Sports Radio insider and unbelievable asset to us. Adam Kaplan
inside the Birds of the podcast covering the Eagles does
(29:26):
a great job.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Stug Gottleab Show, Fox Sports Radio. I think you're gonna
love the Midway because we're gonna talk sports radio talk
and sports talk and radio talk of coming with the Midway.
Before we get to that, we turn over to Dan Byron. Say, Dan,
let's play a game.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
All right, Doug, the game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
All right?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Who's handling this Cowboys situation better? That's what we want
to know? For better or worse? Jerry Jones versus Micah Parsons.
Who's handling it better or worse?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I've been thinking about it a lot.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Okay, good to know.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Do you remember Nick Pickai when he would make his picks? Yes,
we would say push push. I would say, this is
a push. Do I think Jerry Jones and Stevin Jones
are handling it? Well? I don't. It is kind of
par for the course. Do I think Mark Parsons heiling? Well, No,
(30:44):
it's a holdout, but a hold in. He's really mad,
he wants to be traded, but he's still showing up.
And I'm sure a little part of it is because
of his podcast. You know, it's like, look, I have
there's a line you have to walk when you have
radio or podcast whatever and what you can talk about.
So I think the whole thing has just been handled
(31:04):
poorly all around. Michah Parsons is going to be a cowboy.
It's under contract, and you know what, after this year
he'd be under contract again, and in the next year
he'd be under contract again. The teams have the power
with the franchise tag, and again, just this becoming public,
(31:27):
there's a lot we don't know. I'm still trying to
figure out why they didn't go through David Molgeta. My
guess is that Michael Parsons just want to get the
deal done and then he probably ran it by Moulgeda
like hey, I don't worry about it. I got it done,
and then Molgeda hit the roof, like what do you
mean they talked to you without me, just like your
lawyer would if you know, you get called in and
(31:47):
you talk to the police without without hitting the impresident.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
I think Jerry Jones just wanted to do a deal
where the NFL in siders wouldn't say contract negotiated by
David Mulgetta. I think that's why he just wanted to
leave him out of the whole thing, and then all
the insiders would kiss butt to the agent when they
send out the tweet that Parsons got his extension.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't know, No.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
It's completely facetious. I was just being sarcastic.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yes, Kings, Oh you did the Jason Stewart there really
good dead pan.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I think Sam news that snare drum ready to love that.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
This contract negotiated by you know, Young and Hurst. You know, like,
all right, we know what you're doing. So yeah, like
I understand the game. Sometimes maybe you'll have a guest
on a show, but like, guess what, you're the agent
for multiple people. We'll have this guest on so we
can have that one later on. Like, I get it.
(32:47):
I understand the game, but doesn't mean I have to
like it. Yeah, all right, Doug for better or worse,
preseason plan, playing starter some or not at all.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I gotta tell you, I like playing playing starters some.
I just think it better. It's it's better. I just
think it's I'll tell you this from a it's a
different sport, it's a different rhythm. Okay, but uh, you
got no idea what you got until you put them
(33:18):
out in game action zero and not that scrimmages or
exhibitions really help you, but it doesn't hurt you in
terms of your valuation. And I just think you can
you can make up some ground on other people and
be more ready to play. Do you run the risk
of injuring them? Yes, you run the same risk, by
the way, when they're playing in these scrimmages, you know,
(33:40):
these these when two teams get get working, and they
did the same risk of injury, if not more so.
So I think you'd be smart about it. But you
wanted to feel like a game, and that the only
way you feel like game is by playing in a game.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
For better or worse, Doug, what Travis Hunter does on
the football field offense versus defense.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yes, I can't tell you. I haven't watched his All
twenty two tape, but if the Jaguars are focusing more
on offense, it tells you then that that's where he's
that's what he's best at right now. So I would
say for better wide receiver for worse defensive back.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Okay, quick update, Northwest Region elimination game, Little League World
Series Oregon leads Alaska eight to one. Alaska's committed three
errors so far in the first two innings of this game,
so excuse me first one inning as they are currently
in the field. Doug for better or worse, youth sports
travel baseball versus Little.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
League travel baseball is way better. Oh way better pony baseball.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Worse. I love little league travel.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Baseball because you're just watching the because you're watching this.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Yeah, I like this.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I like the small parks in the way that it's
dressed up. But imagine doing this every weekend by choice
and not like just like advancing, Like that's just the
kids do.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
It every weekend. They all play travel ball.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yeah, but it's not your little league. Also, your little
league All Star team is advancing because you're trying to
get to Williamsport. Sure to go and play when you're
twelve years old, to go across state borders. This is
all stuff I'm dreading as possible.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's awesome. It's a long day, doubleheaders, Oh, a long day.
Everything's a doubleheader. But it's great. Man.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
I hear more horror stories than I do actual good
stories of these things, So maybe maybe I just haven't
heard enough good stories.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
But I mean, I will tell you I played with
a travel basketball team before is Au, but we played
all the time. Those are some of my best friends
in the world. Stories that I would you know, guys
from all over southern California. I thought it was I
thought it was great.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
I did well.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's like, if you don't want to sit on a
metal bleacher for six hours on a Sunday, it's gonna
then you're gonna have a long couple of years. But
if you don't mind that, I mean, and by the way,
I'm just gonna take you coach your kid. It's the
best to be there when they strike out and they
cut up the next time and get a hit.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Amazing, all right? For better or worse? Sports TV Network
MLB Network versus the NFL network.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Wait which networks? MLB Network, MLB Network's the best. I
just I don't. I'm not as into baseball obviously, as
in football or basketball. MLB Network's the best, better, better, better.
I think it's the best production, best graphics, they're the
most inside. They don't there's nothing salacious about it, right,
(37:00):
whereas everybody else kind of chases the topics. I don't
think they do MLB networks the best?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
And we've run out of time. That's game time.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So I want to have a discussion next with all
of us part of the Midway. Howard Stern, probably done
in broadcasting, will rank our favorite radio host next to
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It's say Wednesday, it's a hump day. That means we
got the Midway. I think you enjoy the Midway. I
want to Yeah, Midway. I want to talk about I
want to talk about the I don't think it's retirement,
but Howard Stern is leaving Sirius axem talk about the
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business that I work in. Jay stew has worked in
Dan Byer's worked in for all of us over twenty years. Sam,
you're on what you were you on? Sam? You're over
a decade in, aren't you in radio? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Fifteen years. So that's a lot of experience we'll share
with our thoughts of Howard Stern. I don't know if
he's calling a quits or if I don't know if
he's done, if he's going to do his own thing.
I'm going to launch a podcast, you know, the thing
we all think, we all do. Speaking of which, this
show is available in podcast form in the meantime, I
want to play for you something I saw on TV
and I was like what And then I heard Cowherd
(01:53):
call him out without calling him out again. That's probably
the art of cow Herd is many people he can
call out and he doesn't need their names, really smarter
than what I do. Whereas I just name their names.
I don't care. It's your words. You said it, you
own it. If I say it, I own it as well,
as long as it's not taking out of context. Right. Okay,
So Shadoor Sanders is going to start for the Browns
in their first preseason game. As Dan Bayer told you, yesterday.
(02:17):
That's because Joe Flacco is old. You don't want him
getting hurt. And you know the other two quarterbacks, Dylan Gabriel,
who's drafted ahead of him, he's hurt. You know, both
quarterbacks in front of him are injured. So he's going
to get a chance to start. But I want you
to listen to something that Lewis Ridick said. Okay, remember
Lewis Riddick was a scout in the NFL. He's he's
(02:39):
been on a kind of a jet pack to success
working at ESPN. Here was his take on Shadoor Sanders.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm afraid he's going to get on the field in
preseason games without a lot of practice reps, and then
they're going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks
in order to prove that he's worthy of being a
starter when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps,
They play a whole half of a game and then
(03:07):
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake. Why aren't you making that check? Well, damn, coach,
I never was in there in practice. You never even
talked to me during practice. But now you expect me
to know that's what they're gonna expect of him. But
if anyone can get it done, it's this kid, because
he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, they're making it out like the world is out
to get Shador Sanders. And this is one of the
most obnoxious things anyone could ever say, when it's about
themselves or about somebody else who was born on third base. Right, Sure,
it's difficult to start a preseason game. What's more difficult
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starting your first preseason game or getting thrown in there
in the fourth quarter with the fourth stringers trying to
make the team. I mean, Lewis Riddick, like, you can
mask it all you want. You're obviously rooting for Shahdore Sanders,
which is okay, okay, But to make it out like
Kevin Stefanski is gonna do this kid wrong. Have you
been to Browns camp? Have you talked to Stefanski? Of
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course you haven't. You been on set of ESPN. So
not saying you don't have sources in the league. You do,
but you're just making assumptions like, oh, this is what
they're gonna do, and I know what they're gonna do,
and they're gonna hold them to a higher standard. But
if anybody can do it, super snor Sanders can do it,
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why would that be the case, what would the purpose be?
I mean, just like again, let's just ask ourselves very honestly,
the Browns are in quarterback purgatory, right, quarterback purgatory. They
had to feel like they didn't have a chance to draft,
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or maybe they didn't want a quarterback in this year's draft.
That's why they traded out of what the number two
spot and traded down right, So maybe they wait for
a year. But if the idea is well, they're waiting
for your If Shador Sanders hits, okay, they get the
steal of the draft. If relevance matters to you, you'll
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be very relevant. But it doesn't matter. They simply want
somebody who's good and oh yeah, by the way, he'll
be inexpensive. He's a fifth round draft pick. He costs
you nothing. I mean, this is brock Purty two point zero,
only he was evaluated at a higher level than brock
(05:42):
perty even though brock Purty different but very successful college
quarterback who had some similar struggles late in his college
career because he was playing at Iowa State. He wasn't
playing at Oklahoma. But this idea that the world's out
to get a schor Sanders, Oh, I know how this works.
They're gonna set him up for failure. That's what Lewis
(06:04):
Reddick said. They're setting him up for failure. They're gonna
ask him to do things. How do you know that?
Why would they do that? What would the purpose be
of it? And the idea that, well, this is just
so incredibly difficult. The only guy that could do is
to shoot or Sanders, I'm telling you right now, do
(06:24):
you think it's more difficult and you probably don't have
all of the ones to play with half the ones
and twos? Or to come in the second half of
the first preseason game as the four stringer and play
with four stringers, especially a quarterback who is not the
most mobile, holds onto the ball too long, and is
in a new offense. Which one do you think is
(06:47):
a more difficult task? And the idea that a team
that owns the rights to a guy who some people
had as a first round pick on their board falls
to the fifth round, and they don't want to take
advantage of what could be an absolute gift in terms
(07:07):
of salaries, right because remember they're still they still have
Deshaun Watson under contract. Deshaun Watson is still under contract
with the Cleveland Browns. I believe he gets paid the
next two years. Right. They reworked his deal in this offseason.
He's got two He tours Achilles ten and twice, so
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he's not gonna play this year. He's he doesn't get
paid by the team. He gets paid probably by insurance.
But it does hit the books. If they can have
a rookie quarterback on a fifth round contract and they
can jettison you know, Huntley who they just signed h
and all the other court like they let's just kind
(07:53):
of call it like it is, they'll be have a
chance to be the Niners two point zero, where you
pay your quarterback nothing and you load up your roster
with dudes that can really play things that NFL teams
don't do. You know, again, unless Shador has actually like
a complete ass the whole time, unless he has made
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himself into a pariah. And if he was made into
a pariah, they would have already cut him. They would
have already moved on sign multiple quarterback. Well, why they
signed Tyler Huntley because you need more guys to throw footballs.
You can't have one guy throwing two hundred balls every
day at practice and everybody else's hurt. You heard Dan
Byer yesterday say, Hey, everybody else's hurt. There's a good
(08:39):
friend of mine who's been a general manager in the NFL,
and he used to tell me that when I'd ask
him about these types of things, he was like, honestly,
you're watching football from an entertainment perspective. It doesn't work
that way. The only thing we care about is if
we can win games. How can we win games? And
(09:00):
you can win games when you have more money to
play with for the rest of your roster, and if
you have Shodoor Sanders any really good enough and he
go in there and not screw it up and just
throw the ball. We're it's supposed to throw it. If
he doesn't have it, throw it away. You know, get
everybody what anything to get. Let's make it super simple
for you. You're just a rookie. You line up, you might
(09:21):
hand the ball off nine times and ten. Great if
you can do that, and we can save a bunch
of money, we can build up a roster around you.
But he see, I never forget this. I'd said this
with Jason earlier today, like that's entertainment. And yeah, ESPN
the E does stamp for entertainment, But there's no E
in NFL. There's win games or get a new job.
(09:45):
So the idea that they would rather make Shador Sanders
look bad by elevating him too soon despite a lack
of practice reps is comical. By the way, the job
of a backup quarterback is, if you have no reps,
figure out a way to get it done in the game.
Just kiss, keep it simple, stupid. But I told you
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guys this yesterday and I mean it. Shador Sanders is
going to be the new Kaepernick if he gets cut
by the Browns. Every time a quarterback goes down, you'll
have somebody go. You know, they should sign Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
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Speaker 4 (10:52):
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He's done it again.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Two home rounds on the night for monthly and the
Dodgers lead it four to two. That's your guy, Max Munsey, right,
That's that's what the Dodgers have been needing, is little
Max Muncie. Dodgers win, Yankees lose, seems like a good
day in the in the ad Jason Stewart household.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
So there's this theory. If you listen to Dodger sports
talk or read the message boards, or you're a part
of Dodgers Twitter, there's a segment of people who was
not pissed off at Andrew Friedman for doing zero at
the trade deadline, and they they were playing the same notes.
It was almost like when the Democrats send their talking
points out to all their all their political the.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Way the Republicans, Yeah, you do the same thing, right.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
They said the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the il like so many people said that it sounded scripted.
Max Munsey came off the IL. So for one night,
for a period of two and a half hours, that
minority of people who thought they were very clever by
(12:00):
saying that the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the eel, they were proven right for two and a
half hours.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Fair enough, fair enough, pretty amazing, though, how one guy
can one guy can help and we'll see you. You know,
Aaron Judge couldn't do it for the Yankees last night?
Didn't they lose? No walk off? I think they did,
But you mentioned how much the Yankees need Aaron Judge.
Same type of thing, right, Sometimes one guy, obviously Aaron
Judge a little bit more than Max Bunts. They can
(12:31):
make a difference in stats, but sometimes it's just about energy.
We'll get to Adam Kaplan in a moment. It's our
Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. He also host the Inside
the Birds podcast. Uh I do think that the Dodgers
are the most interesting thing in baseball right like, don't
get me wrong, living in Wisconsin, the Brewers are super
interesting and they've had an unbelievable year. But the Dodgers,
(12:56):
if they have the ability to repeat, and then they
were playing so well, and yes it was injuries, but
then they just started to fall apart. Now they've won,
but two of three, three of five, you know, they
got to finish up this homestand for the thing on
the Angels that it's the Padres Series and then it
gets really interesting. They play the Padres like I think
six out of nine games, So we'll find out where
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the Dodgers are at that point in time. Stug Gottlieb show,
you're on Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in Adam Kaplan.
Of course he has the Inside the Birds podcast. Plus
he's our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider and Adam, let
me ask you, what are people like yourself who cover
the NFL saying about the NFL network and ESPN merger.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Yeah, it's interesting. So Doug, you may or may not
have known this, but back I think No. Nine or
Twenty ten ESPN and NFL Net in the NFL actually
talked about potential for merger, but you didn't go far.
But and there were there were concerns about how much
control the NFL wanted over content and all that, so
it didn't happen. I just remember when I got to
(14:02):
ESPN in twenty thirteen, It's one of the first things
I heard about. And then you always want to could
this ever happen? And it's gonna happen, and we're waiting.
Obviously it's got to get approved by government and it
will and then see how this shakes out. But it's
it's very interesting. A lot of people are curious about
what this is going to look like. We're certain shows,
(14:22):
show's gonna go what control?
Speaker 5 (14:25):
What is NFL?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
What is ESPN going to do with NFL networks programming?
Certain shows? Are they going to get a rid of shows?
What's absorbed? What's not that? When you have a merger,
that's what happens. It's like what do they take? What
do what do they decide not to keep going? So
it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's gonna be really really interesting, really interesting. Okay, let's
get to some of the stuff. What's going on with
the Cowboys? You had Jerry Jones with the acting like
they had a deal agreed to. He's like, hey, when
about the cowboys thirty second conversation a handshake agreement, but
Micah Parsons still hasn't signed the term sheet. What are
(15:02):
you hearing about? What's actually going on in Dallas?
Speaker 6 (15:04):
All right, here's what happened so and here and I'll
get to where we're at now. So basically, Jerry Jones
and Michael Parsons had some pretty interesting conversations about what
the contract would look like, land guarantees and so forth.
But Parsons put a stop to it because he's like,
wait a minute, my agent's not involved. I haven't agreed
(15:24):
to anything. But they did talk. They talked heavily what
it would look like. But David mulget is his agent,
and Jerry never ran it by Muligeta, and Parsons put
a stop to us.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
So we moved back.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
We move this forward a bunch of months, and he's
having a hold in is Parsons and Jerry Jones thinks
that they had a handshake agreement, but Jerry tried to
pull a fast one. It's just it's it's not good
if you're Michael Parsons, you simply can't play on the
contract that you have, and nor does he plan to.
(15:59):
And the Cowboy they would like the deal done, like
Michael would, but Jerry wants to kind of hold him
to what they agreed to. But Mike, of course doesn't
think he agreed to anything. They just they talked heavily
about what it would look like. So he's gonna make
Parson's gonna make twenty four million this season, and then
you know, if for some reason this doesn't get done
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by the start of the season, which I still think
it will, then you've got next year on the fifth
year option. But he's so vastly underpaid. I mean, we
got deals now over forty million for edge rushers forty
and the guy JJ Watt turns thirty one this fall,
and it's going to average forty one million a season.
So yeah, this has to get done. This circus is
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just it's this is a different one though, I'll tell
you this is for as long as I've covered this
business twenty seven years, I've not seen a situation like
this where owner back try to backdoor a contract negotiation
without the agent being involved.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
You already you would have to ask him. I see
what I find interesting is I know that Jerry and
Mike have had a relationship where Mike has respected Jerry
a lot and they they've talked a lot. And now
Jerry might say, hey, listen, I just wanted to talk
to him and see where he was at and escalade
to something. But Jerry never said, hey, let's get your
(17:17):
agent involved, let's get this done right now. It was
He's like, it's it's kind of like you mentioned the
term sheet, Well, we've got agreement average per season length
and guarantee its signing. That did and then obviously your
agent has to look it over. But that's it like that,
That's that's kind of the way that he looked at it,
and that's not the way you have to do it,
because he Parsons clearly says he did not agree to it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But again, but what is the why would they grab
him and not run it by his agent? What is
the main.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Well, because because you know, in contracts, you can have
a verbal agreement, but it's not you can't enforce it
because it's not written.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
And that's what you know.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Jerry was talking about that in a way that with
the media this week. He knows that they have to
have it, they have to have a contract, but he
thinks it's a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
That they have a deal.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
So you what you have is their loggerheads here and
at some point Jerry Jones has got to talk to
his agent, David Mulligatta. And in the way it is,
as you know, in contract negotiation, so you don't lose leverage,
neither side wants to call each other. That's that's the
way I can tell you with NFL contracts, it typically
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it's like the agent does not want to call. They
typically will not call less absolutely necessary.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Terry McLaurin,
what's going on there?
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Yeah, so you've this is very odd hold it. He
claims he's got an ankle injury. They definitely want to
do a deal. He wants to get a deal. They're
not close as a couple as forty eight hours ago.
I understanding was that they were not close. He wants
a deal in the neighborhood of dk Metcalf, which is
thirty thirty three million a year. Metcalf, by the ways,
a couple of years younger, mclaurin's sort of like the
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heart and Saw the football team.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Here's what you have, Doug, to sum this up.
Speaker 6 (19:04):
You've got a GM in Adam Peters, who definitely wants
to extend mclaurin's contract, but he doesn't have the same
urgency that you would have if you had if you
drafted the player, and he just doesn't have that. It's
just the way it is. He just forever reason doesn't
see it the way McLaurin does.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Now.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
It's not like they offered him twenty million and he
wants thirty three. You're talking about somewhere around twenty seven
to twenty eight million.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
They got to get it up.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
They got to move up, and plus they got to
guarantee at least two years and maybe even partially for
the third. So they're not there yet. But the season
doesn't start till September. But it's not good. One thing
you should know, Doug, and why it's highly unluckly not impossible,
but it's highly unlikely that they would.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Want up trade McLaurin.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
They have no one to fill in for him, like
literally nobody, and Deebo Samuel doesn't play the same position
receiver position. He plays more of a slot gadget hand
it off slants where mclaurin's they're one deep threat.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
So yeah, they're not prepared now.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
If something escalates, I could tell you that they would
have to get a receiver back in the trade, but again,
they really don't want to trade him.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I want to play for you something. This is Lewis Riddick. Yeah,
ok So, so Shador Sanders is going to start the
first preseason game for the Browns, right, And it's by default,
right because they got injuries to the three guys that
had him on the depth chart, or at least two
of them at him on the depth chart, with Joe
(20:34):
Flacco being old enough. We know Joe Flacco. Okay, so
this was Lewis Riddick earlier today.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You don't get enough reps.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
They play a whole half of a game, and then
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check? Well,
damn coach, I never was in there in practice. You
never even talked to me during practice. But now you
expect me to know. That's what they're gonna expect of him.
But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid,
because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling
you he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay, So he's painting a very difficult picture for shoud
Door Sanders, which is reasonable, but he's acting like the
Browns are intentionally putting him in a situation where he's
going to fail and holding him to a standard which
would be deemed as unfair. Again, that defies logic to me,
because the Browns they should want a young quarterback to
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be able to play, to do what San Francisco has
done the last four years and play a guy and
not pay him anything. What's the reality on your hearing
of how the Browns feel about shud Door Sanders.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
Well, a couple things, Doug, the thing that Rick is
talking about, I think is that Sanders has had very
little work with her first team offense. And that's you know,
that's not great because you it's a timing thing, a
rhythm thing.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
We would you would you rather play with the fourth stringers?
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Well here's the but no again, I'm just telling you
where's I'm just explaining you from a football No.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I understand what he said. I mean, I understand he's
been like one day throwing with with the ones he's
had obviously all this lead up and prep after that.
But I get like, what what are the other options
that they have? Well, they have.
Speaker 6 (22:23):
Tyler Huntley, Yeah, they started. They signed Tyler Huntley, who
just got there. By the way, he's been with them before.
And now their decision not to play Flacco, it's not
about evaluating him.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
They know what they have in Flacco. He brought them
to the playoffs two years ago.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
You could say, look why, one might say, why why
isn't Flack would just play the first half and Sander's
closed the second half, played the second If that, that
to me would been the smarter thing. But they want
Sanders to start here. It's it's not I it's not ideal.
I would agree with Lewis on that it's not a
great thing. Now here's the thing much.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
I'm just, I'm just telling you right now, I think
it's it's it makes no sense. I agree with you,
but let me play player perspective. From my from my senses,
I would so much rather play with better players around me,
better offensive lineman, better skill position players, better guys. I
can play with them less, and they're not going to
give him some ornate you know, game plan right like,
(23:17):
nor are they going to see exotic blitz us from
the defense. It's meat and potatoes. Nobody's showing anything. I
would rather play with the good players than play with
the guys that are likely to be on no rosters
or some other roster.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Although I would tell you though, when you when you're
a third or four shiing quarterback, which you generally has been,
you've worked a lot with those backups, so he should.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Again, I understand when you've worked with more, others are
just clearly better. I'd what I I'm just, I would
much rather play with the starters. That's way better to me.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Yeah, I hear you on that. I honestly again, to
move us alonger, I would have started Flacco, but Stefanski,
Kevin Stefanski, who's their play caller, decided differently.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You mentioned your desires like I would have started Flacco.
There are a lot of teams that are playing their starters.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
In the I know it's changed, do you know why?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Like we went through like a we went through what
A When did McVeigh become the head coach of the Rams?
This is like seventeen years.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Ago, seventeen maybe twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay, so wow, that's a long tap. So almost the
last decade, Sean McVay has greatly influenced most of the league.
Most league it was like, yeah, we'll play him a
little bit, and he was like, we're not playing him
now of a sudden, you know, the pendulum swings. Why
all right?
Speaker 6 (24:28):
So the ways explain to me is this because I
asked the same question. There are two things that have happened.
First of all, we went from four to three preseason games,
right that that that changed. And the fourth preseason game
is when nobody would play. The third preseason game was
the dress rehearsal. Well, the starters would play into the
second half. They don't do that anymore. In fact, what
(24:49):
you're seeing is, okay, the starters will come a lot
some Some teams will play their starters if they've got
to join practice next week.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
They used to join.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Practice as the as the work for the week, and
they don't play in the preseason game. That's been because
the the joint practices have been the big thing is
you know in the National Football League for last oh
four or five years in big time, not every team
all majority of the NFL teams do it, sure, but
it's what what i'd heard is, it's one it's one
last one fewer and the setups a little bit different
(25:19):
with with one less game to evaluate, you want to
get your starters in a little bit more. Now McVeigh
doesn't seem to care. He just he's like, we're not
getting anyone hurt.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
It's funny Andy Reid when he was in Philly, he
he just he said to me one year because I'm like, coach,
why didn't you play your starters? Just like, my job
is to get my guys to the to the regular
season healthy as possible. But he's changed out with Kansas City,
he's done sort of a one to eighty.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You mentioned Philadelphia. Obviously this is another another super Bowl
and another departure of their offensive coordinator. Has their offense
look so far in the preseason, Yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Think it's been uneven. Look, it's it's hard to go
against Vic Fangio's defense. The Egles defense coordinator. Now, they
don't blitz, but you know, the number one defense last season.
And they've had some injuries. A. J. Brown's missed practice
with a hamstring injury. Devantie Smith missed overweek with a
back injury, so that that's definitely been a problem for
getting their timing down. But the last three days of
(26:15):
practice this week, they've done much better. And you know,
the big issue for them though, and I spoke about
their defense is they're gonna have a minimum of five
new starters on defense. They're having a That's why they
made this trade this week with the Raiders to to
get a corner. They're struggling a little bit opposite quinnyon Mitche,
who's our first round pick last season. Yeah, Jacorey and
Bennett is the corner. It's gonna wear a number forty nine,
(26:37):
a cameo from the Raiders. So by the way, Eagles
really liked he unfortunately had laboram surgery, shoulder labor surgery.
So he's fine now he's been in practice. But that's
a situation to watch the left cornerback position for the Eagles.
It's it's it's not not looking good right now. That
which is why they mad they just made this trade
this week.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
All right, NFL NFC North is really interesting. Let's start
in Minnesota. What are you hearing Jordan Addison suspended first
three games. That doesn't help the wide receiving core and
you got essentially a rookie quarterback in JJ McCarthy. You know, look,
it's hard to tell. We watched little clips, but the
little clips don't look great. What are you hearing in
terms of returns on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 6 (27:14):
Yeah, so so I'm gonna go back to last summer.
So when he came in, you know, he's a first
round pick and a lot of teams I talked to,
In fact, I know team's had their round great on him.
He had issues with mechanics, footwork, and boy, Kevin O'Connell
make great strides with him. He got hurt in that
first preseason game against the Raiders, and he looked fantastic.
I mean he looked really good, and then he tours
miniscus sometime in that game and his off season, Remember
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he didn't get clear till till June. It's been uneven.
You know you mentioned Addison. I mean, he's a lot
of practice. He just can't he can't play for three
weeks first three games. But they're gonna be okay. They're
gonna be okay. Tej Hocketts dealing with something that their
startsight end, which is why they just signed a tight.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
End this week.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Now, one thing you should know is they're gonna have
three new starters from their offensive line. And then Christian
Darrisol missed all last season with an ac ell injury.
So it's a little bit of work in progress there with.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Minnesota Chicago Bears. Caleb Williams, Yeah, a Ken you know,
scrimmagers doesn't look great. There's a lot of chattery. Doesn't
look great. But what are you hearing about the reality
of how the second year quarterbacks plan.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Yeah, it's been it's look, it's been very challenging for
Ben Johnson to get cable ones to play with discipline.
It's been He's certainly been uneven. It's going to take
some time. Ben Johnson coaches real hard. He did a
great job with Jared Goff, who was a reclamation project
after he came over from the Rams. This is going
to take more. Williams mechanics aren't great. He's got great
(28:39):
talent loose thrower, and he's got a great arm. They're
super loaded with offensive talent, skill positions. They too much
of Minnesota. They have three new starters on the tier
of their offensive line. But they're super excited about the
upside of this team. And Ben Johnson will say this.
He coaches hard, and he's brought a ton of discipline
in they're building, and the players so far have taken
(29:00):
to it because there's gonna be accountabilding that building, because
there was not last season.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
You're the best man. Love working with you, love having
you on, and love your your overall knowledge of everything
that's going on. It's so great. Thanks so much for
being Yes, Fox Sports Radio. All right, that's our Fox
Sports Radio insider and unbelievable asset to us. Adam Kaplan
inside the Birds of the podcast covering the Eagles does
(29:26):
a great job.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Stug Gottleab Show, Fox Sports Radio. I think you're gonna
love the Midway because we're gonna talk sports radio talk
and sports talk and radio talk of coming with the Midway.
Before we get to that, we turn over to Dan Byron. Say, Dan,
let's play a game.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
All right, Doug, the game today is for better or worse?
Speaker 5 (30:06):
All right?
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Who's handling this Cowboys situation better? That's what we want
to know? For better or worse? Jerry Jones versus Micah Parsons.
Who's handling it better or worse?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I've been thinking about it a lot.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
Okay, good to know.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Do you remember Nick Pickai when he would make his picks? Yes,
we would say push push. I would say, this is
a push. Do I think Jerry Jones and Stevin Jones
are handling it? Well? I don't. It is kind of
par for the course. Do I think Mark Parsons heiling? Well, No,
(30:44):
it's a holdout, but a hold in. He's really mad,
he wants to be traded, but he's still showing up.
And I'm sure a little part of it is because
of his podcast. You know, it's like, look, I have
there's a line you have to walk when you have
radio or podcast whatever and what you can talk about.
So I think the whole thing has just been handled
(31:04):
poorly all around. Michah Parsons is going to be a cowboy.
It's under contract, and you know what, after this year
he'd be under contract again, and in the next year
he'd be under contract again. The teams have the power
with the franchise tag, and again, just this becoming public,
(31:27):
there's a lot we don't know. I'm still trying to
figure out why they didn't go through David Molgeta. My
guess is that Michael Parsons just want to get the
deal done and then he probably ran it by Moulgeda
like hey, I don't worry about it. I got it done,
and then Molgeda hit the roof, like what do you
mean they talked to you without me, just like your
lawyer would if you know, you get called in and
(31:47):
you talk to the police without without hitting the impresident.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
I think Jerry Jones just wanted to do a deal
where the NFL in siders wouldn't say contract negotiated by
David Mulgetta. I think that's why he just wanted to
leave him out of the whole thing, and then all
the insiders would kiss butt to the agent when they
send out the tweet that Parsons got his extension.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I don't know, No.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
It's completely facetious. I was just being sarcastic.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yes, Kings, Oh you did the Jason Stewart there really
good dead pan.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I think Sam news that snare drum ready to love that.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
This contract negotiated by you know, Young and Hurst. You know, like,
all right, we know what you're doing. So yeah, like
I understand the game. Sometimes maybe you'll have a guest
on a show, but like, guess what, you're the agent
for multiple people. We'll have this guest on so we
can have that one later on. Like, I get it.
(32:47):
I understand the game, but doesn't mean I have to
like it. Yeah, all right, Doug for better or worse,
preseason plan, playing starter some or not at all.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I gotta tell you, I like playing playing starters some.
I just think it better. It's it's better. I just
think it's I'll tell you this from a it's a
different sport, it's a different rhythm. Okay, but uh, you
got no idea what you got until you put them
(33:18):
out in game action zero and not that scrimmages or
exhibitions really help you, but it doesn't hurt you in
terms of your valuation. And I just think you can
you can make up some ground on other people and
be more ready to play. Do you run the risk
of injuring them? Yes, you run the same risk, by
the way, when they're playing in these scrimmages, you know,
(33:40):
these these when two teams get get working, and they
did the same risk of injury, if not more so.
So I think you'd be smart about it. But you
wanted to feel like a game, and that the only
way you feel like game is by playing in a game.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
For better or worse, Doug, what Travis Hunter does on
the football field offense versus defense.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yes, I can't tell you. I haven't watched his All
twenty two tape, but if the Jaguars are focusing more
on offense, it tells you then that that's where he's
that's what he's best at right now. So I would
say for better wide receiver for worse defensive back.
Speaker 7 (34:22):
Okay, quick update, Northwest Region elimination game, Little League World
Series Oregon leads Alaska eight to one. Alaska's committed three
errors so far in the first two innings of this game,
so excuse me first one inning as they are currently
in the field. Doug for better or worse, youth sports
travel baseball versus Little.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
League travel baseball is way better. Oh way better pony baseball.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
Worse. I love little league travel.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Baseball because you're just watching the because you're watching this.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Yeah, I like this.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I like the small parks in the way that it's
dressed up. But imagine doing this every weekend by choice
and not like just like advancing, Like that's just the
kids do.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
It every weekend. They all play travel ball.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Yeah, but it's not your little league. Also, your little
league All Star team is advancing because you're trying to
get to Williamsport. Sure to go and play when you're
twelve years old, to go across state borders. This is
all stuff I'm dreading as possible.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's awesome. It's a long day, doubleheaders, Oh, a long day.
Everything's a doubleheader. But it's great. Man.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
I hear more horror stories than I do actual good
stories of these things, So maybe maybe I just haven't
heard enough good stories.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
But I mean, I will tell you I played with
a travel basketball team before is Au, but we played
all the time. Those are some of my best friends
in the world. Stories that I would you know, guys
from all over southern California. I thought it was I
thought it was great.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
I did well.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's like, if you don't want to sit on a
metal bleacher for six hours on a Sunday, it's gonna
then you're gonna have a long couple of years. But
if you don't mind that, I mean, and by the way,
I'm just gonna take you coach your kid. It's the
best to be there when they strike out and they
cut up the next time and get a hit.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Amazing, all right? For better or worse? Sports TV Network
MLB Network versus the NFL network.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Wait which networks? MLB Network, MLB Network's the best. I
just I don't. I'm not as into baseball obviously, as
in football or basketball. MLB Network's the best, better, better, better.
I think it's the best production, best graphics, they're the
most inside. They don't there's nothing salacious about it, right,
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whereas everybody else kind of chases the topics. I don't
think they do MLB networks the best?
Speaker 7 (37:05):
And we've run out of time. That's game time.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
So I want to have a discussion next with all
of us part of the Midway. Howard Stern, probably done
in broadcasting, will rank our favorite radio host next to
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