March 4, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug talks about Caitlin Clark's surpassing Pete Maravich as the all-time scoring leader in D-1 history, and Doug explains why that is a ridiculous notions. Doug welcomes Ric Bucher onto the show to talk about Lebron's comments, the Lakers, and all of the other major headlines around the NBA. Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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I know you will. I know you will like. It
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is the college basketball time of year. It's March. By
the way, today is March fourth. Do you guys know
what March fourth signifies? March fourth was the day that
Hank Gathers died at Gerston Pavilion. And if you don't
know the name Hank Gathers, I give you the real
quick synopsis. He's from Philadelphia. He was I don't know,
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six five sixty six, built, look like a football player.
He started his career at USC, and USC I believe
won the Pac ten his freshman year along with Bo Kimball,
guy named Tom lewis legend at Modern Day, and USC
missed the cycle for them they got caught cheating NCAA infractions.
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All those guys transferred out. He and Bo Kimball, his
lifelong friend from Philadelfia, transferred to Loyola Marymount University. That's LMU,
which is I don't know five miles or so from USC.
At LMU is kind of a sneaky, really cool campus.
It's in at Plia Vista, right in Marine del Ray.
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It's up on a bluff. It overlooks as part of
the school overlooks all of the Los Angeles basin and
then if you go like five minutes the other way,
you're at the beach. It's like sneaky, underrated, unbelievable campus.
And they played the fastest style college basketball I'd ever
seen that. You were competitive, right, They're averaging one hundred
and twenty a game. He led the country in scoring
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and rebounding his junior year. His senior year, he had
a heart issue. They're playing at UC Santa Barbara and
he passed out in the court. So Bo Kimball led
the country in scoring that year. Anyway, in the semi
finals of the conference tournament championship, which was played at LMU.
Because they were the best team, and this is before
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the Gonzaga thing took off, Pepperdine was that those are
the two best teams at the time. Santa Clara as well.
He died on the court, and a lot of things
changed because of it. Right that everyone started doing the
MRIs and the heart MRIs and all the deep physicals
on your heart as well as frankly, it was the
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first time that everybody realized you got to have a defibrillator.
And they had a fibularty. I don't think they knew
how to use it right, but now you have these,
I think it's called an ied ied that everyone should
have at any gym that has U sports. Ever I've
seen it literally save somebody's life. But what started there
was they then didn't play the championship game. Played in
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the NCAA tournament at Long Beach Arena where they beat
New Mexico State, and then they beat defending champion Michigan
and went to the eventually lost in the Elite eight.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
To UNLV who won the national championship. So March fourth
has always been a day for me where usually I
was playing and I would remember Hank Gathers, and I
wore the number forty four. I wore the number forty
four for two bad three people. One a guy named
Kirk Taji. Kirk was a player for my dad. Was
like when I was a little kid. My dad was
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head coach at UW Milwaukee, and he was my favorite
player when I was a little kid. Two was for
Hank Gathers, who I had met the summer before he
died and I love the way they played. And three
it was for Pete Marrivitch and when you're grow up
in a coach, your coach's son, and you love ball.
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And my dad was knew everybody in college coaching and
most people in high school coaching. He's very good friends
with Dale Brown, the longtime Legs, darry LSU coach, and
Dale sent us these Maravich memories tapes and it's like
storytelling of Pete's all of his great games high school,
college and workouts that go with it. And my dad
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loved the skill stuff, loved a lot of the story.
He would tell you he didn't love Pete Merivitch because
he didn't play defense and he wasn't a winning player.
They didn't win at LSU. His dad was the coach.
But over the weekend, Over the weekend, Caitlin Clark scored
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more points. And if you watch Network news, it'll say
she's the all time leading scorer in Division one history,
which I guess technically is true. She did score more
points than anyone who's played Division one basketball Division one basketball,
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But why are we comparing her to the men?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Why are we doing that? How does that make any sense?
And I believe it diminishes the whole thing? And why
are we doing it. We're doing it to somehow validate
what she's done, like all the attention, all the claim.
Fox Television this weekend decided to put that game on
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as opposed to any of the men's college games they
could have had on during that same window. They put
on Ohio State. It was in Ohio State, Ohio State
versus Iowa. And remember Ohio State had beaten Iowa at
Ohio State. That's when she got bumped into with a
woman who was on her running on her phone on
the court at the Shottenstein Center. Do you guys remember
that that was like three four weeks ago? Okay, three
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four weeks ago. So this is kind of interesting to me.
It infuriates me that we do the Wow, she scored
more points to pistol Pete, Why do we do that.
There's a woman named Andrea Naggy. Does anybody know the
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name Andrew Naggy? Anyone?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Do you know why? Well, she's the all time assist
leader in women's college basketball now, actually the all time
assists leader played at Penn State, but it was before
we recognized women's basketball, so her thirteen hundred assists go
by the wayside. Anyway, Meanwhile, in my lifetime, I recognized
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the all time assist leader in men's basketball as Bobby Hurley.
Bobby Hurley had one thousand and seventy six assists when
he finished Okay, when he finished in was in nineteen
ninety two, he was the assist king Andrea and Naggy
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passed him in nineteen ninety five. She has eleven hundred
and sixty five assists. Matter of fact, Courtney van Sleute
in twenty eleven at Gonzaga also technically more assist than
Bobby Hurley. Heck, Sabrina I n SQW. You guys know
who Sabrina I ask you is? She has her own
shoe with Nike. She was Caitlyn Clark before there was
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Caitlin Clark just a couple years ago. Right, she finished
in twenty twenty, COVID cut her career short. It sucks.
Sabrina was again she wasn't. She didn't captivate the country's
attention the way that Caitlyn did. Caitlin, by the way,
his fifth all time in women's assist and oh yeah,
Caitlyn Clark is eighteen assists. Shy of passing Bobby Hurley,
will anybody mention it. No, do you know why, because
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it's bull It's a different sport with different rules, by
the way, played against a different gender. Yukon has I believe,
has four undefeated seasons. Yukon's women four undefeated seasons. I've
covered college basketball for twenty one assume me twenty two years.
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Twenty two years, and every year we've had an undefeated team.
Saint Joe's was the first one I remember, right, Saint
Joe's with Jamiro Nelson and those guys. They lost to
Mile Mounter Oaklham State in two thousand and four. On
the Elite eight. They went thirty to oh I believe
in the regular season, lost in the A ten tournament.
And when they lost, did anybody say, hey, the last
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undefeated team was No. They didn't say Yukon women. They
said nineteen seventy six Indiana men. Do you know why
causes men's basketball? So I know why we do it.
We do it to somehow validate what Caitland Clark has done.
But what you end up doing is many of the
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people like myself that champion what Caitlin Clark is doing
and how she's doing it, end up getting so turned
off by it because it's just so fake. Why we
do that? We never compare the other way around. If
somehow a college basketball player plays for four years at
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the same school and scores more points than Kaitlin Clark,
do you know what we will say passed Kaitlyn Clark.
He'll say we passed Pete Maravich for the all time record.
No one's ever said the past Lynette Woodard, even though
she's finally getting the recognition she deserves. Right, we didn't
do that, and let's not be false about it. She
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wasn't say. We don't say she's the all time scoring
leader in all of college basketball history, which's not because
there's Division two. Wait, so wait, if women's basketball and
men's basketball are the same record wise, why can't we
do D two in an A an AIA? Why not?
Why not? It's still college there's you know, the guy
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from Grinell. What was a kid from Garnell who scored
like one hundred points and all they did was shoot
three point shots. Why don't we say, Hey, nobody's ever
scored a hunt But why why don't we compare that?
Why because it's a NAIA basketball Well, it's not NCAA
basketball's college basketball. At least the rules are the same
and the basketball size are the same. We don't do it.
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Tell me somewhere it's done. It's not.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
We made it up.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Why we make things up to somehow make something more
valid to make it feel better. You don't have to
You don't have to stop it. Okay, whoever the hembo
dude is that produces Mike Greenberg show, I get it, Dude,
you're a stat dude whatever, But you just you look
like a dork and we're all sports doorks on some level.
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Like the fact that I've watched all of these Marivitch
Memories tapes, Like I'm a sports dork. I'm okay, the
fact that I played in college. You that doesn't stop
me from being a sports dork. Okay, But I don't
artificially make something greater than it actually is when it
just appears to be totally phony. And what it does,
here's what it triggers to a bunch of us who
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actually lived the life of college athletics. Hey, it's the
wet to be equal. We want to be the same.
I'm like, look, you're not. There are things that you
get that are benefits of the doubt. For example, women's
basketball gets two more scholarships than men. Do you guys
know that? Do you know why?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Do you see what happened to David Davidson College and
with Steph Curry went they were having a great season,
they had like six women I think six women go
down with ACL injuries and so they just they don't
feel like they have a team. They don't have enough girls.
So there's season's over eighteen and ten in the year
season over not playing the conference room. It's a real story.
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By the way, if men did the same thing, people
would go like, are you kidding me? Go find some
dudes in at the right in the intramural and have
them played. That's what teams have done, right, But you
do it because women's bodies are actually it's the game
is harder on their knees than it is on men,
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based upon the width of their hips and how it
there's science behind it. They're much more likely to tear
a ACL than a man is, like in a tearing
a sale, because there's much more pressure put on women's
knees playing the exact same sport. But the point is
women actually get more scholarships and they want the equal
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everything when they don't make equal revenue. And as I've
stated this before, like as popular as women's basketball has become,
and it is rising in popularity, that's inarguable. And I
think there's other factors to it other than this. The
game is good. I think it's a lot of it's
the mess that is college basketball. You can't identify players
on any of these teams because they all switch places
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all the time. So women's basketball has figured out a
lot of different things about marketing, about staying at your school,
about building up these stars. Like it's really good. But
the value on the a new TV deal is sixty
five million dollars a year. The value in the men's
TV deal for the exact same tournament is seven hundred
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and fifty million dollars a year. Like, it's just not equal.
It's not the same thing. Let's stop comparing it. Don't
compare it. It does it actually does women's basketball at disservice.
So you're gonna walk away, and I'm sure a good
portion and go like gautlerb's just a here to own
women's basketball. I don't know. My brother actually now is
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a women's basketball coach. I'm friends with several of the
high level coaches. I think the sport is in many
ways better than it's ever been and gaining in popularity.
It is not close to the popularity of the men's game.
The men's game is far more screwed up because once
the money started coming in, everybody wanted theirs, and like
everything else, that screws everything up. And I have been
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a champion of Caitlin Clark, including through the Jay Williams.
You can't be great unless you win a championship thing,
which is moronic. But at some point you get to
the point where you're just like, no, we're not doing
that because it's dumb. We don't do it in any
other aspect of college basketball. We don't compare across sports.
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We've never done it with assists, we've never done it
with rebounds, we don't do it with block shots. Why
would we. And we also don't do it in different
levels D two WRECKERDS D three levels, d NAIA levels.
We don't compare them to anybody else's Why would we
compare women's basketball to men? Stop it. You sound like
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a dummy. You sound like so badly you want more shine.
When she's got the primetime spot on Fox Man. You
can't get any more shine than what she's got. Buyer,
did I offend you? If I did, I'm like, I
don't know your feelings on this side.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I felt that this was the least organic. And that's
what made Caitlin Clark's story so great was it was
so organ and it felt very manufactured.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yesterday, that's really good. He's good. That was good. I
talked for twenty minutes and made no sense, and you
talk for ten seconds with two sentences and you got it.
You nailed it. Yes, yes, yes.
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(17:09):
James scored his forty thousandth point in a loss to
the Denver Nuggets, right and uh, he had this to
say afterwards about his career achievements.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Besides my family and my friends in my city, and
then some people in my city as well, because we
even know some of them. People, To be quite honest
with you, everybody wanted to see me fail when I
got to the league. Everybody was just like, it's it's
no way he's going to be able to exceed the
expectations that's put upon him.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, here's the issue here. Exceeding expectations is not anyone's
definition of failure. Maybe it's Lebron's. But there's also this,
like everyone, I've been doing this long enough. My first
shot in national sports radio and television coincided with the
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two thousand and three NBA draft, So I was there
that didn't happen. Maybe I'm wrong. Let's welcome in Rick Buker.
He was also he went well Washington Post to ESPN.
I don't know what his definition of failure is, but
not exceeding expectation is definitely not failure. But I like,
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who are these people rooting for him to fail? I
don't recall any of them.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I don't either. You look, there was a point at
which the hype was so great that obviously after a
few years in Cleveland and he hadn't won a championship,
there was there was the growing sentiment that he needed
he needed a ring, and he took care of that.
He went to Miami and they built a super team
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and you know, he's and the way he did it
transformed the way the NBA does business today. So had
a huge impact. But look, this is this is part
and parcel for how Lebron James. Lebron James is always
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there's a certain victim mentality there which is just I
understand it early on it or I understood it early
on considering you know what he experienced growing up. But
at some point, you accomplished so much, you have so
many accolades, you have so many people telling you how
great you are that I would think there would be
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a transformation and or there would just be a point
where it really doesn't matter what other people think. Like
the satisfaction I get is from what I do and
what they thought or what any of that. So I'm
I'm not surprised. But if there's any part of me
that is frustrated because I can't fully appreciate everything that
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Lebron Jame Games has accomplished, it's because it's there's always
this twist to it, like it's he's not being recognized
or he wasn't uh you know, touted when he came
into the league. It's just there's a there's a perspective
and an angle on it that just is a little
baffling based on what I've seen occur and how people
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have treated Lebron James in.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
The big picture, It's it's really and I don't know. Again,
this is a little bit like we we're talking about
Caitlin Clark and people, you know, saying she surpassed uh pete,
Pete Marravich thing. I'm just like, what are we what
are we doing? It's a little same thing, like like
those of us who are recognizing how amazing is like, dude,
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what is your level of is it? Is it an insecurity?
What is it when we fall all over backwards? You know,
to to recognize, like it's amazing. Let's just be honest,
whether you think he's the greatest player or three four
or five to two whatever, like the fact that he's
thirty nine years old and still incredible. Now, I simply
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point out, like last week when he had that unbelievable
fourth quarter against the Clippers, like, well, Lebron like Jordan
never did this, Like well, actually he had forty five,
uh once or once or twice, but he also played
eighty two games, so he couldn't like rest up and
just bring it when he wanted to bring it. Okay,
So and he still and.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He's still defended, and he wasn't all as good of
a team, and he didn't have any I mean, you
could go down the you can go down the well.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
What do you know, Rick, what do you really know?
You were just in Washington cover the Wizards at the time,
Like what do you actually know about this?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah? Yeah? And and was gone the entire practically the
entire year either at games. I mean when I first
joined ESPN, they wanted me to live in Chicago because
and I would because of what the Bulls were at
that time, but it was also at the at the
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very end of that run. But I had spent I'd
spent plenty of time, you know, as you know, all
over the place on the road seeing all these people
in person. So I don't it. But it's also kind
of a state of where we are. And the Caitlin
Clark thing is the same, is the same, and I
think we and the media in part are contribute to it,
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which is it's not enough to acknowledge a great achievement.
We have to somehow make it the greatest thing ever.
And maybe athletes have become conditioned to the point where
if we don't do that, if there's a certain reservation.
And I had the same when I had to write
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about it for Fox Sports on his passing the forty
thousand point mark, which is a tremendous achievement, But what's
the difference between forty thousand and thirty nine thousand as
far as a benchmark. Yeah, he's the first one to
ever do it. He did it in the second quarter.
He like the intelligence that he has the understanding of
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the game and the way to exploit the game in
order to still produce offensive numbers is really remarkable. But
if you're going to tell me that he's the same
player that he was as because of his scoring average,
I'm going to say, you don't watch the game and
you don't understand the game. There's no accident that early
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in the second quarter with Aaron Gordon and Nikola Jokic
on the bench, he took the first three shots. He
was like, I'm going to get this done now, Like
I'm going to go and I'm going to get a
switch and I'm not gonna deal with Peyton Watson. I'm
gonna get a switch and I'm going to go on
Michael Porter Junior. They're the worst defensive player on the
floor for the Nuggets, and I'm gonna go get this
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bucket and we're going to celebrate great. I mean, look,
it takes intelligence and ability, particularly thirty nine to be
able to do all that. But if you want me
to take that Lebron James and manipulating the game there
versus versus him at his best or five years ago
when he was a force at both ends of the
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floor and not saving up his energy for just scoring,
then I'm I'm like, we can't have a conversation and
it's and it's I think it undermines what Lebron James
was to suggest that he's still that now because it's
a shadow of him at his absolute best, and we
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in the media are part of that because we're co
signing all of this.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Rick Vicker joined US Fox Sports, Fox Sports One, Fox
Sports dot Com is Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the team, I mean, I like, everybody went crazy,
but the Clippers come back. Let's point out Paul George
didn't play and they were down twenty one for a reason.
Then you see him against the Nuggets and you're like, oh, well,
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one team looks really good. In the other teams the Lakers, Right,
there's just a ceiling there.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Do they do they know what's coming in the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
The Lakers know?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
No, no, And I honestly what create I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I'm sorry to interrupt because because can me can let
me give you the feeling that I get, and I
apologize for interrupting, but I'll probably lose my train of thought. Okay,
I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna get smoked,
probably in the second round, and they're gonna they're gonna
blame Darvin hammon fire. And look, I don't think Darvin
Ham's particularly a good coach. I don't have problem, but
he's not gonna be the reason they lose. They're gonna
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lose because they're they're not as good. They're just they
the flawed roster. And you're too dependent upon Lebron at
this stage in his career, and he doesn't have close
to what he used to have.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
But anyway, go ahead, too dependent on, too dependent on
Lebron to be your finisher, which as we saw against Denver,
is just not that's not realistic. I mean, he had
thirteen of his twenty five points or thirteen of their
twenty five points in fourth quarter, but it wasn't didn't
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come close to what the Nuggets were able to put
in front of him. And they're too dependent on Anthony Davis.
I mean, let's face it, You've got D'Angelo, Russell, Austin Reeves,
and if you want to play Ruy Hachimura, you have
to play him sort of as a wing, which is
putting him at a disadvantage defensively. And if Anthony Davis
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weren't doing everything that he's doing on the back line,
you'd have no chance. And the better teams in the
league are going to be able to exploit that. The
only question I have is that we have these teams
at the top in the Western Conference, and I fully
expect that the Lakers are either in the play in.
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I mean, I don't see any way right now in
which they're not in the play in that they're going
to face in Oklahoma City or a Minnesota Timberwolves team
that just doesn't I don't know exactly what they are
as playoff teams, particularly Oklahoma City because of their you know,
(27:12):
their lack of size, if you know their physicality. Can
the Lakers do to them what they did to the
Indiana Pacers in the for the for the NBA Cup.
That's that's what I don't That's what I don't know.
But to your point, like, yeah, I mean getting the
second round and then when you when you push push
aside all of the the the quality teams that don't
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have a whole lot of playoff experience, when you get
down to the grind, it's hard to see them getting
past the second round. I would agree with that.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Rick Berger joining us. Uh, what do we make of
what the Celtics. The Celtics dismembering of the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Exercise exercise a lot of demons there, Boy, you can't
you can't tell me that some of that wasn't Uh.
They dropped again that they had no business dropping to
the Warriors earlier this year and obviously two years ago.
They nobody has forgot. Everybody still questions the Celtics because
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of how they ended up losing to the Warriors in
the twenty twenty two finals. And so I just I
believe a couple of things. One they caught the Warriors
at the end of a road trip and and two
like their depth when you looked at at I mean,
the big push in that game was the Celtics are
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now kind of like the Warriors, in which they almost
have a second starting five. They have a really quality
second five. And the Warriors were putting out like Quinonas
and Jackson Davis and guys that just you know, aren't
ready for that kind of marquee game. It was asking
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a lot and I think that's where the game got
away from the Warriors. And then it was just a
da loge and I think and I think Steve Kerr
saw it, saw it coming and kind of pulled the
plug fairly early. So it's good on the Celtics got
it out of their system. I can't help but think
that the Warriors are not going to forget that. I
(29:17):
don't know if they can do anything about it, but
it still doesn't It doesn't change my question of when
we get to the playoffs, can the Boston Celtics deliver
on all of the talent that they have. I still
it's still going to come down to your can Jason
Tatum answer the bill?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Your question about them is the same question on a
different level about the Thunder, Right, it's we haven't seen
the Thunder do it in the playoffs. We haven't seen
the Celtics do it late in the playoffs or in
the finals. That's it. And until we see it, it's
really hard to believe that it's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
And I think the only distinction is like the Thunder
or a complete mystic Like I would expect that the
Celtics are going to win a round or two. My
question is can they finish the deal? And based on
their record and winning eleven in a row, sure, but
demolishing the Warriors, All of that would suggest that they are. Yes,
(30:19):
they should be able to finish the deal. But I
can't help but feel like we've said this before and
they didn't. And so you know, adding through holiday, adding Christophsperzingis,
I think that makes them better. I still, when it
comes down to it, it's our Jason Tatum and Jalen
(30:41):
Brown going to make the right decisions, make the right plays.
And because it just always comes back to that to
your centerpieces. Ultimately, in closing out a series, can those
guys take you that that final step? And until I
see it, I'm gonna reserve judgment that they're capable of it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Right, We don't know what Christas Ferzingis looks like in
real his last playoffs with the with the Mavericks, he
wasn't very good either, So again we don't know, we think,
we don't know to we see it. Buke, you're the
best man. Love having you on, Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Appreciate it does all right.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
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Speaker 2 (32:31):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Hi didn't bab what'd the game be? Doug?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Mike Evans
wants to run it back with the Buccaneers or Greens
to a two year extension, I think.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's a big deal, big deal. He's only been a Buccaneer.
He came off a great season, they made the playoffs.
You know, I'm sure the money is probably they've probably
paid him a little bit more than they want to,
a little bit less than he thought he might get.
I don't know. I mean, it's only a twace get
two year deal and it's probably the last two really
(33:12):
productive years of his career and he gets to stay there.
All makes sense to me. And now they got to
turn their attention to Baker and how that deal gets.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yeah, I think it bodes well for them maybe getting
a deal with Baker don but we shall see. I
also think that the rave reviews of the wide receivers
from the combine, you know, in the draft, I think
that also probably helped make Mike Evans's decision a little easier.
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal speaking of
the combine. Then Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy is shooting up
mock draft. Some have them in the top ten, some
(33:41):
of them in the top five.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It feels like a big deal. Now. It does play
into what we talked about last week, which is like, hey,
this idea to not grow sounds like a great idea,
but you're giving away an opportunity that somebody else has.
And you know, he must have done really well in reviews,
really well at the white board. I don't think he
threw the ball particularly well. No, And I don't get it,
(34:06):
but I like, if he was that good, why do
they not let him throw at so many gigantic parts
of the season, Like, it's just counterintuitive. If I have
a guy who's that good at quarterback, do you know
what I'm not doing. I'm not having him hand off
the ball every play the second half against Kenn State.
(34:27):
Would you would anybody do that?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Is this why people like date people who aren't good
for them, because they feel like it's a project that
they can turn them around and make them Like is
that Could that be a part of this?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I think what it is is we all just want
guys that win. We just want to be winners. Just
you win. I love because you win. And I'm like, yeah,
there's a limit there, like you've got to have It's
not just about intangibles. There's some tangible aspects to it.
So yeah, I mean, do we really think they wouldn't
have won a national championship if Caleb Williams played for
their team as opposed for USC Like, do we really
(35:02):
think that anyway?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
When they have what eighteen guys they have.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Just pros everywhere, increbibly well coached offensive line, good running game.
But he had wide receivers. They literally took the ball
out of his hands, you know. And again I'm willing
to think he could be a really good pro, but
top ten. If he was a top ten guy, he
wouldn't have been thrown at the.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
COMEBA Big deal, little deal of old deal that the
Celtics completely destroyed the Warriors yesterday. You touched on this
with a few girl.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
A little it was a big deal because it was
so bad And what Steph Curry said after you were
Sep Furry set out of the game. We used to
do that. That's what we used to do to other ts,
like we used that used to be us one it's
a sign of that's they're not that anymore. And two
it's like, is your best better than other people's best?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.
What Brad Stevens has done in building that roster is amazing, amazing,
Bah go.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Ahead, Yeah, no, I agree. I was gonna say something,
but for time restraints, we'll move on. Big deal, little
deal of no deal. Kansas dropped out of the top
ten for the first time since twenty twenty one, falling
the fourteenth in this week's EIGHTP Top twenty four.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's a big deal because it signifies what those of
us who really know and watch the sport understand. These
last two years, everything's been turned upside down. I think
eventually we'll figure it out, like those the best guys
will figure it out. But like last year, case State
(36:34):
was amazing. This year, I don't think they're particularly good.
Both years they added like ten new players. Like there's
just it's a learning process when the sports changes so dramatic.
Kansas problem's not money, like Hunter Dickinson's a million dollar guy.
They probably have three million dollars spent in nil but
they their rosters really slim, so some of it's not
(36:54):
just about getting good players. It's about how do you
spread your money. Do you spread your money out and
get seven or eight really players or do you go
top heavy. So I just think that's what it's signified.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
When you have injuries.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeahstic get off. The team had to kick Terry Morris
off the team before the season started. And that's gonna
do it for game time today.
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This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Kaitlin CLARKO with Lebron James Hmm, I decided Caitlin clark
(00:27):
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I know you will. I know you will like. It
(01:11):
is the college basketball time of year. It's March. By
the way, today is March fourth. Do you guys know
what March fourth signifies? March fourth was the day that
Hank Gathers died at Gerston Pavilion. And if you don't
know the name Hank Gathers, I give you the real
quick synopsis. He's from Philadelphia. He was I don't know,
(01:33):
six five sixty six, built, look like a football player.
He started his career at USC, and USC I believe
won the Pac ten his freshman year along with Bo Kimball,
guy named Tom lewis legend at Modern Day, and USC
missed the cycle for them they got caught cheating NCAA infractions.
(01:55):
All those guys transferred out. He and Bo Kimball, his
lifelong friend from Philadelfia, transferred to Loyola Marymount University. That's LMU,
which is I don't know five miles or so from USC.
At LMU is kind of a sneaky, really cool campus.
It's in at Plia Vista, right in Marine del Ray.
(02:15):
It's up on a bluff. It overlooks as part of
the school overlooks all of the Los Angeles basin and
then if you go like five minutes the other way,
you're at the beach. It's like sneaky, underrated, unbelievable campus.
And they played the fastest style college basketball I'd ever
seen that. You were competitive, right, They're averaging one hundred
and twenty a game. He led the country in scoring
(02:36):
and rebounding his junior year. His senior year, he had
a heart issue. They're playing at UC Santa Barbara and
he passed out in the court. So Bo Kimball led
the country in scoring that year. Anyway, in the semi
finals of the conference tournament championship, which was played at LMU.
Because they were the best team, and this is before
(02:58):
the Gonzaga thing took off, Pepperdine was that those are
the two best teams at the time. Santa Clara as well.
He died on the court, and a lot of things
changed because of it. Right that everyone started doing the
MRIs and the heart MRIs and all the deep physicals
on your heart as well as frankly, it was the
(03:18):
first time that everybody realized you got to have a defibrillator.
And they had a fibularty. I don't think they knew
how to use it right, but now you have these,
I think it's called an ied ied that everyone should
have at any gym that has U sports. Ever I've
seen it literally save somebody's life. But what started there
was they then didn't play the championship game. Played in
(03:39):
the NCAA tournament at Long Beach Arena where they beat
New Mexico State, and then they beat defending champion Michigan
and went to the eventually lost in the Elite eight.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
To UNLV who won the national championship. So March fourth
has always been a day for me where usually I
was playing and I would remember Hank Gathers, and I
wore the number forty four. I wore the number forty
four for two bad three people. One a guy named
Kirk Taji. Kirk was a player for my dad. Was
like when I was a little kid. My dad was
(04:12):
head coach at UW Milwaukee, and he was my favorite
player when I was a little kid. Two was for
Hank Gathers, who I had met the summer before he
died and I love the way they played. And three
it was for Pete Marrivitch and when you're grow up
in a coach, your coach's son, and you love ball.
(04:35):
And my dad was knew everybody in college coaching and
most people in high school coaching. He's very good friends
with Dale Brown, the longtime Legs, darry LSU coach, and
Dale sent us these Maravich memories tapes and it's like
storytelling of Pete's all of his great games high school,
college and workouts that go with it. And my dad
(04:57):
loved the skill stuff, loved a lot of the story.
He would tell you he didn't love Pete Merivitch because
he didn't play defense and he wasn't a winning player.
They didn't win at LSU. His dad was the coach.
But over the weekend, Over the weekend, Caitlin Clark scored
(05:18):
more points. And if you watch Network news, it'll say
she's the all time leading scorer in Division one history,
which I guess technically is true. She did score more
points than anyone who's played Division one basketball Division one basketball,
(05:42):
But why are we comparing her to the men?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Why are we doing that? How does that make any sense?
And I believe it diminishes the whole thing? And why
are we doing it. We're doing it to somehow validate
what she's done, like all the attention, all the claim.
Fox Television this weekend decided to put that game on
(06:07):
as opposed to any of the men's college games they
could have had on during that same window. They put
on Ohio State. It was in Ohio State, Ohio State
versus Iowa. And remember Ohio State had beaten Iowa at
Ohio State. That's when she got bumped into with a
woman who was on her running on her phone on
the court at the Shottenstein Center. Do you guys remember
that that was like three four weeks ago? Okay, three
(06:31):
four weeks ago. So this is kind of interesting to me.
It infuriates me that we do the Wow, she scored
more points to pistol Pete, Why do we do that.
There's a woman named Andrea Naggy. Does anybody know the
(06:51):
name Andrew Naggy? Anyone?
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Do you know why? Well, she's the all time assist
leader in women's college basketball now, actually the all time
assists leader played at Penn State, but it was before
we recognized women's basketball, so her thirteen hundred assists go
by the wayside. Anyway, Meanwhile, in my lifetime, I recognized
(07:24):
the all time assist leader in men's basketball as Bobby Hurley.
Bobby Hurley had one thousand and seventy six assists when
he finished Okay, when he finished in was in nineteen
ninety two, he was the assist king Andrea and Naggy
(07:46):
passed him in nineteen ninety five. She has eleven hundred
and sixty five assists. Matter of fact, Courtney van Sleute
in twenty eleven at Gonzaga also technically more assist than
Bobby Hurley. Heck, Sabrina I n SQW. You guys know
who Sabrina I ask you is? She has her own
shoe with Nike. She was Caitlyn Clark before there was
(08:08):
Caitlin Clark just a couple years ago. Right, she finished
in twenty twenty, COVID cut her career short. It sucks.
Sabrina was again she wasn't. She didn't captivate the country's
attention the way that Caitlyn did. Caitlin, by the way,
his fifth all time in women's assist and oh yeah,
Caitlyn Clark is eighteen assists. Shy of passing Bobby Hurley,
will anybody mention it. No, do you know why, because
(08:31):
it's bull It's a different sport with different rules, by
the way, played against a different gender. Yukon has I believe,
has four undefeated seasons. Yukon's women four undefeated seasons. I've
covered college basketball for twenty one assume me twenty two years.
(08:53):
Twenty two years, and every year we've had an undefeated team.
Saint Joe's was the first one I remember, right, Saint
Joe's with Jamiro Nelson and those guys. They lost to
Mile Mounter Oaklham State in two thousand and four. On
the Elite eight. They went thirty to oh I believe
in the regular season, lost in the A ten tournament.
And when they lost, did anybody say, hey, the last
(09:13):
undefeated team was No. They didn't say Yukon women. They
said nineteen seventy six Indiana men. Do you know why
causes men's basketball? So I know why we do it.
We do it to somehow validate what Caitland Clark has done.
But what you end up doing is many of the
(09:34):
people like myself that champion what Caitlin Clark is doing
and how she's doing it, end up getting so turned
off by it because it's just so fake. Why we
do that? We never compare the other way around. If
somehow a college basketball player plays for four years at
(09:55):
the same school and scores more points than Kaitlin Clark,
do you know what we will say passed Kaitlyn Clark.
He'll say we passed Pete Maravich for the all time record.
No one's ever said the past Lynette Woodard, even though
she's finally getting the recognition she deserves. Right, we didn't
do that, and let's not be false about it. She
(10:18):
wasn't say. We don't say she's the all time scoring
leader in all of college basketball history, which's not because
there's Division two. Wait, so wait, if women's basketball and
men's basketball are the same record wise, why can't we
do D two in an A an AIA? Why not?
Why not? It's still college there's you know, the guy
(10:39):
from Grinell. What was a kid from Garnell who scored
like one hundred points and all they did was shoot
three point shots. Why don't we say, Hey, nobody's ever
scored a hunt But why why don't we compare that?
Why because it's a NAIA basketball Well, it's not NCAA
basketball's college basketball. At least the rules are the same
and the basketball size are the same. We don't do it.
(11:01):
Tell me somewhere it's done. It's not.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
We made it up.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Why we make things up to somehow make something more
valid to make it feel better. You don't have to
You don't have to stop it. Okay, whoever the hembo
dude is that produces Mike Greenberg show, I get it, Dude,
you're a stat dude whatever, But you just you look
like a dork and we're all sports doorks on some level.
(11:30):
Like the fact that I've watched all of these Marivitch
Memories tapes, Like I'm a sports dork. I'm okay, the
fact that I played in college. You that doesn't stop
me from being a sports dork. Okay, But I don't
artificially make something greater than it actually is when it
just appears to be totally phony. And what it does,
here's what it triggers to a bunch of us who
(11:53):
actually lived the life of college athletics. Hey, it's the
wet to be equal. We want to be the same.
I'm like, look, you're not. There are things that you
get that are benefits of the doubt. For example, women's
basketball gets two more scholarships than men. Do you guys
know that? Do you know why?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Well?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Do you see what happened to David Davidson College and
with Steph Curry went they were having a great season,
they had like six women I think six women go
down with ACL injuries and so they just they don't
feel like they have a team. They don't have enough girls.
So there's season's over eighteen and ten in the year
season over not playing the conference room. It's a real story.
(12:39):
By the way, if men did the same thing, people
would go like, are you kidding me? Go find some
dudes in at the right in the intramural and have
them played. That's what teams have done, right, But you
do it because women's bodies are actually it's the game
is harder on their knees than it is on men,
(13:00):
based upon the width of their hips and how it
there's science behind it. They're much more likely to tear
a ACL than a man is, like in a tearing
a sale, because there's much more pressure put on women's
knees playing the exact same sport. But the point is
women actually get more scholarships and they want the equal
(13:23):
everything when they don't make equal revenue. And as I've
stated this before, like as popular as women's basketball has become,
and it is rising in popularity, that's inarguable. And I
think there's other factors to it other than this. The
game is good. I think it's a lot of it's
the mess that is college basketball. You can't identify players
on any of these teams because they all switch places
(13:44):
all the time. So women's basketball has figured out a
lot of different things about marketing, about staying at your school,
about building up these stars. Like it's really good. But
the value on the a new TV deal is sixty
five million dollars a year. The value in the men's
TV deal for the exact same tournament is seven hundred
(14:05):
and fifty million dollars a year. Like, it's just not equal.
It's not the same thing. Let's stop comparing it. Don't
compare it. It does it actually does women's basketball at disservice.
So you're gonna walk away, and I'm sure a good
portion and go like gautlerb's just a here to own
women's basketball. I don't know. My brother actually now is
(14:27):
a women's basketball coach. I'm friends with several of the
high level coaches. I think the sport is in many
ways better than it's ever been and gaining in popularity.
It is not close to the popularity of the men's game.
The men's game is far more screwed up because once
the money started coming in, everybody wanted theirs, and like
everything else, that screws everything up. And I have been
(14:50):
a champion of Caitlin Clark, including through the Jay Williams.
You can't be great unless you win a championship thing,
which is moronic. But at some point you get to
the point where you're just like, no, we're not doing
that because it's dumb. We don't do it in any
other aspect of college basketball. We don't compare across sports.
(15:13):
We've never done it with assists, we've never done it
with rebounds, we don't do it with block shots. Why
would we. And we also don't do it in different
levels D two WRECKERDS D three levels, d NAIA levels.
We don't compare them to anybody else's Why would we
compare women's basketball to men? Stop it. You sound like
(15:34):
a dummy. You sound like so badly you want more shine.
When she's got the primetime spot on Fox Man. You
can't get any more shine than what she's got. Buyer,
did I offend you? If I did, I'm like, I
don't know your feelings on this side.
Speaker 5 (15:53):
I felt that this was the least organic. And that's
what made Caitlin Clark's story so great was it was
so organ and it felt very manufactured.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yesterday, that's really good. He's good. That was good. I
talked for twenty minutes and made no sense, and you
talk for ten seconds with two sentences and you got it.
You nailed it. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
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(17:09):
James scored his forty thousandth point in a loss to
the Denver Nuggets, right and uh, he had this to
say afterwards about his career achievements.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Besides my family and my friends in my city, and
then some people in my city as well, because we
even know some of them. People, To be quite honest
with you, everybody wanted to see me fail when I
got to the league. Everybody was just like, it's it's
no way he's going to be able to exceed the
expectations that's put upon him.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, here's the issue here. Exceeding expectations is not anyone's
definition of failure. Maybe it's Lebron's. But there's also this,
like everyone, I've been doing this long enough. My first
shot in national sports radio and television coincided with the
(18:04):
two thousand and three NBA draft, So I was there
that didn't happen. Maybe I'm wrong. Let's welcome in Rick Buker.
He was also he went well Washington Post to ESPN.
I don't know what his definition of failure is, but
not exceeding expectation is definitely not failure. But I like,
(18:25):
who are these people rooting for him to fail? I
don't recall any of them.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
I don't either. You look, there was a point at
which the hype was so great that obviously after a
few years in Cleveland and he hadn't won a championship,
there was there was the growing sentiment that he needed
he needed a ring, and he took care of that.
He went to Miami and they built a super team
(18:51):
and you know, he's and the way he did it
transformed the way the NBA does business today. So had
a huge impact. But look, this is this is part
and parcel for how Lebron James. Lebron James is always
(19:11):
there's a certain victim mentality there which is just I
understand it early on it or I understood it early
on considering you know what he experienced growing up. But
at some point, you accomplished so much, you have so
many accolades, you have so many people telling you how
great you are that I would think there would be
(19:34):
a transformation and or there would just be a point
where it really doesn't matter what other people think. Like
the satisfaction I get is from what I do and
what they thought or what any of that. So I'm
I'm not surprised. But if there's any part of me
that is frustrated because I can't fully appreciate everything that
(19:59):
Lebron Jame Games has accomplished, it's because it's there's always
this twist to it, like it's he's not being recognized
or he wasn't uh you know, touted when he came
into the league. It's just there's a there's a perspective
and an angle on it that just is a little
baffling based on what I've seen occur and how people
(20:23):
have treated Lebron James in.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
The big picture, It's it's really and I don't know. Again,
this is a little bit like we we're talking about
Caitlin Clark and people, you know, saying she surpassed uh pete,
Pete Marravich thing. I'm just like, what are we what
are we doing? It's a little same thing, like like
those of us who are recognizing how amazing is like, dude,
(20:45):
what is your level of is it? Is it an insecurity?
What is it when we fall all over backwards? You know,
to to recognize, like it's amazing. Let's just be honest,
whether you think he's the greatest player or three four
or five to two whatever, like the fact that he's
thirty nine years old and still incredible. Now, I simply
(21:06):
point out, like last week when he had that unbelievable
fourth quarter against the Clippers, like, well, Lebron like Jordan
never did this, Like well, actually he had forty five,
uh once or once or twice, but he also played
eighty two games, so he couldn't like rest up and
just bring it when he wanted to bring it. Okay,
So and he still and.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
He's still defended, and he wasn't all as good of
a team, and he didn't have any I mean, you
could go down the you can go down the well.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
What do you know, Rick, what do you really know?
You were just in Washington cover the Wizards at the time,
Like what do you actually know about this?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah? Yeah? And and was gone the entire practically the
entire year either at games. I mean when I first
joined ESPN, they wanted me to live in Chicago because
and I would because of what the Bulls were at
that time, but it was also at the at the
(21:57):
very end of that run. But I had spent I'd
spent plenty of time, you know, as you know, all
over the place on the road seeing all these people
in person. So I don't it. But it's also kind
of a state of where we are. And the Caitlin
Clark thing is the same, is the same, and I
think we and the media in part are contribute to it,
(22:21):
which is it's not enough to acknowledge a great achievement.
We have to somehow make it the greatest thing ever.
And maybe athletes have become conditioned to the point where
if we don't do that, if there's a certain reservation.
And I had the same when I had to write
(22:42):
about it for Fox Sports on his passing the forty
thousand point mark, which is a tremendous achievement, But what's
the difference between forty thousand and thirty nine thousand as
far as a benchmark. Yeah, he's the first one to
ever do it. He did it in the second quarter.
He like the intelligence that he has the understanding of
(23:05):
the game and the way to exploit the game in
order to still produce offensive numbers is really remarkable. But
if you're going to tell me that he's the same
player that he was as because of his scoring average,
I'm going to say, you don't watch the game and
you don't understand the game. There's no accident that early
(23:27):
in the second quarter with Aaron Gordon and Nikola Jokic
on the bench, he took the first three shots. He
was like, I'm going to get this done now, Like
I'm going to go and I'm going to get a
switch and I'm not gonna deal with Peyton Watson. I'm
gonna get a switch and I'm going to go on
Michael Porter Junior. They're the worst defensive player on the
floor for the Nuggets, and I'm gonna go get this
(23:47):
bucket and we're going to celebrate great. I mean, look,
it takes intelligence and ability, particularly thirty nine to be
able to do all that. But if you want me
to take that Lebron James and manipulating the game there
versus versus him at his best or five years ago
when he was a force at both ends of the
(24:07):
floor and not saving up his energy for just scoring,
then I'm I'm like, we can't have a conversation and
it's and it's I think it undermines what Lebron James
was to suggest that he's still that now because it's
a shadow of him at his absolute best, and we
(24:27):
in the media are part of that because we're co
signing all of this.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Rick Vicker joined US Fox Sports, Fox Sports One, Fox
Sports dot Com is Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the team, I mean, I like, everybody went crazy,
but the Clippers come back. Let's point out Paul George
didn't play and they were down twenty one for a reason.
Then you see him against the Nuggets and you're like, oh, well,
(24:54):
one team looks really good. In the other teams the Lakers, Right,
there's just a ceiling there.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Do they do they know what's coming in the playoffs?
Speaker 4 (25:05):
The Lakers know?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
No, no, And I honestly what create I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I'm sorry to interrupt because because can me can let
me give you the feeling that I get, and I
apologize for interrupting, but I'll probably lose my train of thought. Okay,
I think what's gonna happen is they're gonna get smoked,
probably in the second round, and they're gonna they're gonna
blame Darvin hammon fire. And look, I don't think Darvin
Ham's particularly a good coach. I don't have problem, but
he's not gonna be the reason they lose. They're gonna
(25:34):
lose because they're they're not as good. They're just they
the flawed roster. And you're too dependent upon Lebron at
this stage in his career, and he doesn't have close
to what he used to have.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
But anyway, go ahead, too dependent on, too dependent on
Lebron to be your finisher, which as we saw against Denver,
is just not that's not realistic. I mean, he had
thirteen of his twenty five points or thirteen of their
twenty five points in fourth quarter, but it wasn't didn't
(26:05):
come close to what the Nuggets were able to put
in front of him. And they're too dependent on Anthony Davis.
I mean, let's face it, You've got D'Angelo, Russell, Austin Reeves,
and if you want to play Ruy Hachimura, you have
to play him sort of as a wing, which is
putting him at a disadvantage defensively. And if Anthony Davis
(26:27):
weren't doing everything that he's doing on the back line,
you'd have no chance. And the better teams in the
league are going to be able to exploit that. The
only question I have is that we have these teams
at the top in the Western Conference, and I fully
expect that the Lakers are either in the play in.
(26:48):
I mean, I don't see any way right now in
which they're not in the play in that they're going
to face in Oklahoma City or a Minnesota Timberwolves team
that just doesn't I don't know exactly what they are
as playoff teams, particularly Oklahoma City because of their you know,
(27:12):
their lack of size, if you know their physicality. Can
the Lakers do to them what they did to the
Indiana Pacers in the for the for the NBA Cup.
That's that's what I don't That's what I don't know.
But to your point, like, yeah, I mean getting the
second round and then when you when you push push
aside all of the the the quality teams that don't
(27:35):
have a whole lot of playoff experience, when you get
down to the grind, it's hard to see them getting
past the second round. I would agree with that.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Rick Berger joining us. Uh, what do we make of
what the Celtics. The Celtics dismembering of the Warriors.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Exercise exercise a lot of demons there, Boy, you can't
you can't tell me that some of that wasn't Uh.
They dropped again that they had no business dropping to
the Warriors earlier this year and obviously two years ago.
They nobody has forgot. Everybody still questions the Celtics because
(28:11):
of how they ended up losing to the Warriors in
the twenty twenty two finals. And so I just I
believe a couple of things. One they caught the Warriors
at the end of a road trip and and two
like their depth when you looked at at I mean,
the big push in that game was the Celtics are
(28:33):
now kind of like the Warriors, in which they almost
have a second starting five. They have a really quality
second five. And the Warriors were putting out like Quinonas
and Jackson Davis and guys that just you know, aren't
ready for that kind of marquee game. It was asking
(28:56):
a lot and I think that's where the game got
away from the Warriors. And then it was just a
da loge and I think and I think Steve Kerr
saw it, saw it coming and kind of pulled the
plug fairly early. So it's good on the Celtics got
it out of their system. I can't help but think
that the Warriors are not going to forget that. I
(29:17):
don't know if they can do anything about it, but
it still doesn't It doesn't change my question of when
we get to the playoffs, can the Boston Celtics deliver
on all of the talent that they have. I still
it's still going to come down to your can Jason
Tatum answer the bill?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Your question about them is the same question on a
different level about the Thunder, Right, it's we haven't seen
the Thunder do it in the playoffs. We haven't seen
the Celtics do it late in the playoffs or in
the finals. That's it. And until we see it, it's
really hard to believe that it's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
And I think the only distinction is like the Thunder
or a complete mystic Like I would expect that the
Celtics are going to win a round or two. My
question is can they finish the deal? And based on
their record and winning eleven in a row, sure, but
demolishing the Warriors, All of that would suggest that they are. Yes,
(30:19):
they should be able to finish the deal. But I
can't help but feel like we've said this before and
they didn't. And so you know, adding through holiday, adding Christophsperzingis,
I think that makes them better. I still, when it
comes down to it, it's our Jason Tatum and Jalen
(30:41):
Brown going to make the right decisions, make the right plays.
And because it just always comes back to that to
your centerpieces. Ultimately, in closing out a series, can those
guys take you that that final step? And until I
see it, I'm gonna reserve judgment that they're capable of it.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Right, We don't know what Christas Ferzingis looks like in
real his last playoffs with the with the Mavericks, he
wasn't very good either, So again we don't know, we think,
we don't know to we see it. Buke, you're the
best man. Love having you on, Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Appreciate it does all right.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
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Speaker 2 (31:59):
All right.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Coming up on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio, how big a deal is it that the
Bucks resigned? Mike Evans, I'll tell you next.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
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Speaker 1 (32:16):
Doug Otllep Show, Fox Sports Radio. Surely after the show,
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Just type in Doug Gottlieb plus you get the hour
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Speaker 2 (32:31):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Hi didn't bab what'd the game be? Doug?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
The game today is big deal, little deal, no deal.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Big deal, little deal or no deal. That Mike Evans
wants to run it back with the Buccaneers or Greens
to a two year extension, I think.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's a big deal, big deal. He's only been a Buccaneer.
He came off a great season, they made the playoffs.
You know, I'm sure the money is probably they've probably
paid him a little bit more than they want to,
a little bit less than he thought he might get.
I don't know. I mean, it's only a twace get
two year deal and it's probably the last two really
(33:12):
productive years of his career and he gets to stay there.
All makes sense to me. And now they got to
turn their attention to Baker and how that deal gets.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Yeah, I think it bodes well for them maybe getting
a deal with Baker don but we shall see. I
also think that the rave reviews of the wide receivers
from the combine, you know, in the draft, I think
that also probably helped make Mike Evans's decision a little easier.
All right, big deal, little dealer, no deal speaking of
the combine. Then Michigan quarterback JJ McCarthy is shooting up
mock draft. Some have them in the top ten, some
(33:41):
of them in the top five.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
It feels like a big deal. Now. It does play
into what we talked about last week, which is like, hey,
this idea to not grow sounds like a great idea,
but you're giving away an opportunity that somebody else has.
And you know, he must have done really well in reviews,
really well at the white board. I don't think he
threw the ball particularly well. No, And I don't get it,
(34:06):
but I like, if he was that good, why do
they not let him throw at so many gigantic parts
of the season, Like, it's just counterintuitive. If I have
a guy who's that good at quarterback, do you know
what I'm not doing. I'm not having him hand off
the ball every play the second half against Kenn State.
(34:27):
Would you would anybody do that?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Is this why people like date people who aren't good
for them, because they feel like it's a project that
they can turn them around and make them Like is
that Could that be a part of this?
Speaker 3 (34:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I think what it is is we all just want
guys that win. We just want to be winners. Just
you win. I love because you win. And I'm like, yeah,
there's a limit there, like you've got to have It's
not just about intangibles. There's some tangible aspects to it.
So yeah, I mean, do we really think they wouldn't
have won a national championship if Caleb Williams played for
their team as opposed for USC Like, do we really
(35:02):
think that anyway?
Speaker 5 (35:04):
When they have what eighteen guys they have.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Just pros everywhere, increbibly well coached offensive line, good running game.
But he had wide receivers. They literally took the ball
out of his hands, you know. And again I'm willing
to think he could be a really good pro, but
top ten. If he was a top ten guy, he
wouldn't have been thrown at the.
Speaker 5 (35:25):
COMEBA Big deal, little deal of old deal that the
Celtics completely destroyed the Warriors yesterday. You touched on this
with a few girl.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
A little it was a big deal because it was
so bad And what Steph Curry said after you were
Sep Furry set out of the game. We used to
do that. That's what we used to do to other ts,
like we used that used to be us one it's
a sign of that's they're not that anymore. And two
it's like, is your best better than other people's best?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.
What Brad Stevens has done in building that roster is amazing, amazing,
Bah go.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Ahead, Yeah, no, I agree. I was gonna say something,
but for time restraints, we'll move on. Big deal, little
deal of no deal. Kansas dropped out of the top
ten for the first time since twenty twenty one, falling
the fourteenth in this week's EIGHTP Top twenty four.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
It's a big deal because it signifies what those of
us who really know and watch the sport understand. These
last two years, everything's been turned upside down. I think
eventually we'll figure it out, like those the best guys
will figure it out. But like last year, case State
(36:34):
was amazing. This year, I don't think they're particularly good.
Both years they added like ten new players. Like there's
just it's a learning process when the sports changes so dramatic.
Kansas problem's not money, like Hunter Dickinson's a million dollar guy.
They probably have three million dollars spent in nil but
they their rosters really slim, so some of it's not
(36:54):
just about getting good players. It's about how do you
spread your money. Do you spread your money out and
get seven or eight really players or do you go
top heavy. So I just think that's what it's signified.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
When you have injuries.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeahstic get off. The team had to kick Terry Morris
off the team before the season started. And that's gonna
do it for game time today.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Gotleep show. You're on Fox Sports Radio. Oh I love
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from the weekend. What we hate from the weekend? Oh, well,
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Find out if you found something to love. That's up
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