October 21, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the Blue Jays and the heroics by all-star George Springer and explains why he thinks it was Comeback 101. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about the Jets, Saquon Barkley and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every day, or you
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like your boy. I was thinking, and I want to
get to last night's Blue Jays comeback win. We'll get
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on last night's NFL games, the second of which congrats
to Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks. But I think we can
all agree ugly football game, right, like like Dan's probably like, dude,
we'll take it. Don't care. But that was not an
aesthetically pleasing game at all. No, you don't care, you
do care?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That was ugly It was absolutely awful, Doug.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It was atrocious all the time. You saw the football
over four times in a game, and you have an
opportunity to wrap it up, and they failed to do so.
One of the least satisfying wins in my memory for
the Seahawks, despite them being five and two.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I would so much rather win ugly than lose pretty.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh, no doubt. You know, just didn't have to be
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, it was a It was an ugly football like
so much so that, like I knew Jason didn't text
us last night, but I know he was chuckling. And
chortling's a word, right, Like we all know what chortling
is when you like kind of snort and chuckle at
the same time. Right, Jason was chortling last night because
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he's been on this zero patur the everybody watched the
end even though the NFL's product isn't really any good,
and last night was one of his atta boy moments
because he was right. I was watching him, like, oh
my god, Jason's so right. This is such a bad
football game. You know. There's and again I want to
get to baseball. Give me one minute, but something you
(02:17):
said in the update was like the only reason to
maybe pay attention to tonight's Rockets Oklahoma City Thunder game.
You said the thunder are gonna get their rings tonight
and they're gonna take on Kevin Durant, Right, so there
are people that'll be in the crowd, not any of
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the players. They'd be like, c KD, we want to
want a ring without you. He'd be like, I have two,
would have had three if I didn't get hurt. But
it's it's really interesting. It's like he's their former great player,
and tonight is a little bit of in your face,
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we can win a championship here, you just weren't good
enough or want to stay long enough to win one.
I guess just the thing anyway, NBA season lacking a
lot of buzz for your boy. Even though love basketball,
coach basketball, love the NBA. It feels like there's probably
ten players that are over the hill that we're not
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okay with saying they're over the hill, even though they
are right. And then there's the idea of the best
team is in Oklahoma City and people are just struggling
to come around to the fact because it's like, you
gotta win a championship to be a star, but you
got to be a star in some level or have
stars to win a championship. And we're stuck because Oklahoma
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City won a championship before they had multiple bona fide stars,
which means we could have that there's a world there
where it becomes a dynasty and we're simply early on
in the dynasty, or there's a world where it was
an outlier. We'll get back to the NBA in a second.
Let's get to Major League Baseball. I was watching last
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night George Springer hits this home run and the Blue
Jays come back, and what looked like it It didn't
look good. Granted, seventh inning, that's when it usually goes bad.
I thought last night, the seventh inning turnaround where they
put up three runs on the Springer home run, when
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I and you guys didn't respond, which I was a
little hurt by. But that's okay, because people don't respond
to Dan's and then Dan gets hurt by it as well.
All of our feelings are crushed because we all have
other everybody else has lives, and when you send out
a group text text, you think that immediately everybody's gonna
respond My text was baseball, because I was like, that's
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the most that's the most cliche cliche baseball thing ever,
wasn't it. Like it's the Blue Jay's bottom half of
the seventh. The Mariners change pictures, they put wu in
Burger walks, then they get a single right, then the
sack bunt. Then they change pitchers, specifically bring in a
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pitcher Edward Bizardo, and Bizardo comes in and gives up
a home run to George Springer. But the way the
succession of events is as comeback cliche as possible. It's
wasn't the Dave Roberts when he kep He's he pinched ran.
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But that inning, I believe was started with a walk.
Every late inning rally in baseball seems to start with
a walk. Like that's the cliche, that's how it always happens.
It's it's like the announcer Jinx in basketball. Right the
second you say something about somebody's free throw percentage, automatically
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they're going to miss, you know. The second that you
don't pay attention to an extra point in football is
when a when you or when you act like this
is a guaranteed point, they're gonna make it. Something goes
wrong and it doesn't become a guaranteed point. And in baseball,
the most cliche thing about a comeback is the lead
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off walk, Oh boy, the leadoff oh boy, and the
pressure builds up. Now buyer, have you and Jason? Have
you heard Jason go and do his rant about how
like he's really bothered that Springer George Springer hit the
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home run last night because George Springer was the MVP
of the Sully Championship, because he was the MVP that
year when the Astros won the World Series.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
We have not had a conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's he he just is really struggling with it. You know,
he's smoking hot girl friend. He can't talk to her.
He's struggling to come on air to put together a show.
And I get it, but it's it's like he was
personally hurt by this, or maybe it's that he's bothered.
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And I get that. I actually understand it, because I mean,
think of think of the it's when we do the
Aaron Judges the American League home run Champion, Why do
we do that? Well, Barry Bonds has the record. Yeah, well,
he was taking stories steroids. He says he didn't knowingly
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take storoids, but he absolutely took steroids. He was he
this behemoth figure late in his thirties hitting out bombs,
and so whenever I see that, it doesn't sit well
with me. So were you, Jay stud just asking the question?
Were you rooting against him the whole game or was
it after the fact that you hit the home run?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
What is the experience like? As such an ardent Dodger
fan to watch George Springer be the.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Hero today, George Springer's on a short list of cheaters
from the twenty seventeen World Series that cost my Dodgers
a World championship. I think Yankee fans are even more
pissed off than I am because it cost them a
chance the World Series. And then Springer is on that shortlist,
right Alex Bregman. Uh Altuve tops the list, and then
Bregman I saw last night and it was listed in
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the Chiron as an accolade. You know, they're like they'll
always give, like, you know, seven time MVP, he said,
twenty two postseason home runs, third all time, the MVP
of the twenty seventeen World Series. And I'm thinking I
think they included that in the graphic as an accolade,
when I think it's an albatross. And for those that
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aren't familiar with the rhyme and the ancient mariner, the
albatross is something that you should be burdened by for
the rest of your life. You were the best cheater
on a team that admitted to cheating to win the
World Series. I will never root for him. I'm glad
we're playing him because I want to see us get
him out. But yeah, he's on that short list.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, it's an interesting experience, and I actually do like
the more you describe it to me, the more I
understand like they should carry a Scarlett letter. The issue
with it for me is, I mean, unless I'm mistaken less,
there's something all last night's achievement was based upon his
own personal skill he didn't have. He didn't know what
pitch was coming. We don't know. And of course, when
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you've done it once and the players were never punished,
what's to stop you from doing it again? But I
so listing his past accomplishment, I get it. But rooting
again against some current day I think you're rooting against
how people have let these guys slide more than rooting
against him.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He said, twenty three home runs in the postseason. I
think that's third all the time. You guys can fact
check me. Twenty three home runs in the postseason. The
problem with the cheating scandal is that all of those
home runs can be looked at through a different filter, Right,
he's a chest.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes, that's fair, Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think maybe the
tide has turned because we all saw that viral video
from this past summer on how jose L two vaight
was just verbally assaulted by a fan at Dodger Stadium.
Don't you think that that was maybe the turning point
in all of this, just verbally berated.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Okay, so silver people. So for people who are are
newt to the show or you haven't listened, Uh, do
we have this the sound there? This was there was
one such fan who I mean, I mean he made
how you know he did, Dan? He made helse L
two a feel small they did.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I think this is where the tide turned. I don't
know if Jason agrees, but when I heard this clip
of the fan, I mean I think that that kind
of turned the tide.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, there's would that fan say, Jason, there's twenty seven
ways in which you cheated.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
There are He's number twenty seven, Altuve, and that the
fan made of I think one of the most original
Booze and jeer. I don't think Altuoda has ever heard
this year that twenty seven on the back of or
back stands for the number of pitches you knew were
coming in the twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's funny. That's funny, You're funny.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I will say this to Jason's point that even if
the Astros were significantly punished or the players were significantly
punished for their roles in it, it's still a scarlet
letter that and dug to your point about it, but
even if they were to do their time, if you will,
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that it would be still a part of their career.
Like a Rod had his suspensions and it's still a
part of his career with the steroid. But but it's not.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But it's not. This is this is where this is where.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I don't think that we look at a Rod's Let
me let me just make my point before you say it.
It's it's It makes it doubly worse that not only
is their life after death, that the players didn't even
feel a death. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Jason correct, No, that thing that maybe that was the
biggest indictment on the whole thing. They gave the players
immunity and they never suffered a consequence.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I will say it's kind of classic baseball. Like Alex
Rodriguez is broadcasting all these games, like there's the dude
who got caught twice with steroids? Like what what do
we what? And he's speaking on baseball. Why he was
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a great talent, but everything he accomplished in his career
should be called in the question. They couldn't wait to
get him out of that Yankee clubhouse. And then when
the Yankees get eliminated, like who gets the comment on
national team about the Yankees current and future history? Alex
Rodriguez Like what, that's a weird one, but that's kind
of classic baseball. Barry Bonds, though he wasn't a good one,
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became a hitting coach still around baseball when you know,
violated the core tenants of baseball. Pete Rose was the
one guy that was kicked out the game because he
was gambling on baseball. And now a part of it
is he's passed, but part of it is that's kind
of baseball and that they like they don't really want
to punish anybody, but it is a weird thing. I
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do think it's a better series than the Mariners series
in that now you have a whole country that actually,
on some level cares, and you have the Dodgers. Otherwise
of your numbers would have been bad. And Seattle's just
such a niche market. Great market, but so niche. I'd
love a study to be done. I'd love Elias Sports
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Bureau to find out how many comebacks a inning or
greater have started, Like what's percentage of postseason comebacks that
start with a leadoff walk. I'm watching and I was
doing the multi view. I'm not gonna lie to you guys,
but I did have the sound on on the baseball
and all of a sudden seventh inning, Woo Woo walks
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first batter, and I was like, oh, here we go,
here we go, here we go. And now we have
Blue Jays and Dodgers and the blue Jays. Let's also
be honest, like, they're not a poor team. They put
a lot of money in this team. Maybe not Dodger money,
but plenty of money. This is not rich versus poor,
This is rich versus richer. Here's John Schnyder talking about
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Jay Stu's boys, Springer and his team.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Before the game. I said, there there's always someone that's
gonna have a moment. Right in a game seven, winner
take all game. They had a couple, you know, from
one of their big name guys between Julio cal and
Josh So you never really know. So in the moment,
I've seen Georgie hit some homers, you know, and I
was just hoping that he got enough of it. And
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when he did, you know, you kind of look around
and you see players and coaches reacting the way they did.
Kind of surreal in the moment when you're witnessing a
historic swing for the organization, you know what I mean.
And then you try to get back. I remember going
right to Pete and just making sure, yeah, Chris is
still the guy no matter what for the eighth inning,
so you kind of get back into manager mode.
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Speaker 1 (16:13):
It open, dude, do It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're
listening to Fox Sports Radio. John Mitlkalffla join us in
about five minutes, give or take. So we've talked a
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lot about the Jets, which we get caught up in
that the Jets are that vortex that if you get
in the water, even if you're you feel like you're
far removed, it just grabs you and pulls you in.
You can't get out of it. Like, why are we
talking about the Jets? They stink? Okay, So here's their owner,
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Woody Glenn talking about the says of Woody Johnson. Woody
Johnson talking about their head coach Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
If I were a player, he would I would respond
to him because he's the real deal. Nobs, there's no
second Agenda's what you're hearing is the truth. And a
lot of time players don't get the truth. They get
a lot of gobbledy Google.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
How have you been given Aaron confidence that you still
believe in him?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You day?
Speaker 7 (17:26):
All right, what do you say to him?
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I say, keep the faith, Matt, And.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Do you really believe it? I do.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I'm not a liar, you.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Know, but you might you may think I am, But yeah,
I can't say it's something I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, So there's your answer as to if Aaron Glenn's
gonna be back next year. Okay, Well what about quarterback?
I've told you I didn't. I didn't understand the the
the Justin Field signing at all. Two years. It's not
huge money, but it's not backup money. Take a list
of would Johnson thinks about their quarterback play.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
It looks like he's turning around parts of it. You know,
it's hard when you have a quarterback with you know,
with a rating that we've got. You knows, I mean,
he has the ability, but something just is not jiving.
But if you look at any any head coach of
the quarterback like that, you're going to see similar.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Results if you across the league.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
You have to play consistently at that position, and that's
what we're going to try to do well. But we
can just complete a pass, it would look good. You know,
you got to complete some pathth You got to convince
him that you can do something.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
If we could just complete a pass, it would look good.
That's what he That's what your owner just said about
the quarterback that he employs. John Mitlcoff joins us year
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Of course,
John is a EDIFL analyst host of the three Now
podcast on the Volume podcast network. That sounded like there,
as I said before the year, they're going to be
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in the market for a quarterback this offseason and then
Aaron Glenn is safe through this year.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
In the next year, Yeah, I mean, I totally agree.
I mean I what I don't understand though, is what
he gave his GM as head coach, right, the money
and the latitude to make this decision, and they chose
this player. So it's like, you know, he's kind of
crapping on Justin Fields there, but Justin Fields has kind
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of been the exact same guy since he's been in
the NFL. Yeah, but to me, the reflection is, do
I trust they just because one thing. Listen, if he
had been playing like this and they'd given him one
year six million dollars, like welcome to the NFL, that
happens all the time. But they end two years thirty
million dollars guaranteed like that, that's not nothing, and all
of a sudden, we're gonna go, We're gonna left this
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guy make our next quarterback decisions because let's face the
Jets are not exactly hot when it comes to quarterbacks.
Zach Wilson disaster Fields now disaster. You know, the Rogers
thing clearly did not work out. So I don't know
what would give him the confidence that his GM and
head coach combination could figure this out.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Do you No? No, I didn't get it. Like Pittsburgh
had him last year and they were we'd prefer Russell
Wilson to him, and Russell Wilson can't play, and you know,
the year before, obviously he was in Chicago and they
couldn't wait to get rid of him there.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You know what, Doug. I mean, I know you do too.
I mean, I watched a lot of college football. It
doesn't really feel like there's a lot of like Jaden
Daniels and you know, high end quarterback prospects in this class.
You know, Ty Simpson's a good player, but his team
stacks and you know he's a smaller player. Uh, Fernando
Mendoza's kind of I don't want to call him a
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one hit wonder because he he was solid at Cow,
but I mean it's just and hes still got some
big games to play. It does not feel like just
because you have the number one pick, there's Matt Stafford
or Andrew lux sitting there. And let's face it, last year,
you know, I listen, it's that Giants game all timer.
But if you are a Giants fan, I think the
way you keep your head high as you go, we
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wouldn't trade our quarterback for the guy that went number
one for anything, And I think that kind of shows
you as Jackson Dart went the mid twenties and cam
Ward went number one, and I don't think there are
many gms in the league right now. If you said, hey,
what quarterback would you want for the next five years.
I think Jackson don't would be pretty universal. It kind
of shows you. I mean, this is a it's an
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inexact science, and especially with quarterback classes that aren't like
quote unquote can't miss it.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I don't think I'm well out know you're right, but
I'm I'm very very close to certain you are in
fact correct. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. How do you Those types of losses take
like years off your life? And I thought that's what
brought down the Chargers in their previous regime. I mean,
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I understand they weren't crazy well coached, and there's lots
of things that went wrong, but you know, they were
better than Jacksonville. They're up big, Jacksonville comes back and
beats him, and even the following year, it felt like
the Chargers never recovered from that. Do you think a
younger Giants team can recover from that sort of collapse.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think it's a little easier because you got Scataboo
Dart and Abdua Carter if that, you know, don't have
the scars of the last decade plus of just embarrassment
with the Giants. You know, I think sometimes it helps
being kind of green and NAIs. You know, if you're
for some of the older players on the Giants, it's
got to be like, what is going on? I do
think they're in a tough spot. You know, you got
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to give day Ball credit because that video went viral
around the draft, Like Jackson dart was his guy. He
was the pounding the table for him. And clearly the
Giants once they keep the GM and head coach, they
gave we just talked about this with the Jets. They
gave them the Jews to make a pretty big decision,
and Jackson dart Is looks pretty good under his watch, right,
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And I would say there's a lot of you know,
if you are going to suck, at least that power
of having hope with your quarterback. I mean, that's the
Dolphins and the Browns what it's like to suck and
have nothing with quarterbacks. Right. I kind of lean like
I would give them another year. I would let Dave
Ball work with this quarterback because how often I mean,
the Titans were not even to Halloween and they have
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a coaching search going on. So even if cam Ward, who,
let's face it, I mean, does not look good, but like,
who would excel in that situation. I remember when I
was younger, I saw with Alice Smith with the forty
nine ers, Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary's most guys can't overcome
the dysfunction, and the Giants would be no different. If
it's like, oh, we just won five six games, fire everybody,
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and then you know how it goes to coaches come
in so yeah, I like dark, but you really lie
like I love them. And then a year in, if
it's not going well, you start pivoting and you know,
looking for another guy, so it can just get weird.
I would tend and Giants fans might not want to
hear this, but to give Dave Ball like two years
with this quarterback, the running back, Abdul Carter, and just
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see if there's any momentum by next year.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It is crazy as as much as he gets credited
as a quarterback, whisper as good a job as he's
done with Dart on the Daniel Jones thing and how
it didn't work once they didn't have Saquon Barkley and
yet now you look at Daniel Jones and he's back
with a quality running back and they're one of the
best teams in the league. How do you account for that?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, you know, in fairness, like Daniel Jones was playing
so bad and their weapons were not great, especially once
Sake One left, Like when they caught him last.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Year, he was atrocious.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
But I hear you listen, I think Shane psych and
if we were like the way we ranked players, I
think if we were ranking guys to call our offense
and we just pulled all the gms in the league,
change Psychins above Brian Baball, I mean, change Psyching. I
don't know. I don't want to say elite because I
know it's strugged, but I think he's pretty damn good.
And watching him against the Charger game, I mean, was
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the last time you saw Jim Harbaugh defense just get
worked like that? I mean every single play, guys wide open,
little play action plays, guys just walking for ten to
fifteen yards. It was crazy. And one thing that they
have that the Giants just didn't. They're taking pretty stacked
on offense. I mean multiple wide receivers. The young tight
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end looks like a starmer. I mean that's I mean,
that's a big picture thing with the Bears, like to
they so they have just if they could redo it
where they have taken Warren over Loveland And obviously the
running back is probably I think we're three straight years, right,
McCaffrey two years ago, Sakuon last year, and Jonathan Taylor
this year. Just like I'm the best non quarterback offensive
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player in the league and no one can stop me
because that's how good Jonathan Taylor looks. I think it's
more of a reflection of Stiching and the team that
we've always said, the culture, just a solid quarterback away
and watching you know, first, I was like, you know,
Alex Smith's I think you could argue Daniel Jones is
more physically gifted than alis similar athletes, but definitely a
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better arm. And he's made some throws this season that
I don't know, he just never really made in his
career with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No, maybe it's being inside, not really sure that helps.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
That helps?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Hey were it feels far away because it's Sunday night
and we're only here on a Tuesday. But Aaron Rodgers
and the Steelers the stunning thing to meet up for
the Steelers was and didn't put any pressure on the Bengals
last week like nothing, and the Bengals ran the ball
at him and threw the ball at him. What's going
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on the Pittsburgh's defense.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, they had looked really good the previous weeks. I
do think when you get as the season goes on
road teams Thursday night, you're at such a big disadvantage.
And the reality is with the Steelers is like TV
watt relative to NFL terms kind of old. Ham Hayward's
really old. And they looked at in that game where
they had not looked at in the in just the
normal will Sunday, seven day work week cycles. So I'm
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going to give them a little bit of the benefit
of doubt that it was just kind of heavy legs.
But yeah, I mean Joe Flacco was eating a peanut
butter sandwich back there. And you know, this is what
Mike Tomlin was talking about, like in your division to
trade a capable quarterback because at the end of the day,
we can quibble with how the Bengals are built. Those
two hide receivers, especially Jamar Chase. I mean they are
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if t Higgins your number two, you are pretty stacked
there and they just if you're not going to touch Blaco,
he can throw that kind of go route, fade route,
back shoulder route. I mean, he's gonna be able to
probably do that till he's eighty years old. So I
think it's more of a reflection of quick turnaround a seat.
I mean, who is Minnesota coming to LA this week?
Like that's that's a long travel As the season goes
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on for Thursday night game.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
No question, what's happened to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I had a buddy in the league that thought, like,
you know, he everything last year, He's got a huge contract.
When Super Bowl has a star season kind of validates
like I'm a great player, and just the off season,
maybe you don't grind as hard, and all of a
sudden you get to the season and your offensive line's
not as good. You got injuries, you got some guys
that take off of free agency, you have a new coordinator.
(28:20):
So and even he talked about it. I think after
week three or four that I forget. It was like
Marshall fall or someone told him like, hey man, he's
got to let loose and kind of like you did
last year. But you're just you're not in the same mindset.
Once you know you climb the mountaintop. What do they
say that the greatest deterrence that successful times can just
be human nature. I don't necessarily blame him, but he
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had a chip on his shoulder last year and then
started that off season with the Giants hard knocks, and
it just doesn't quite feel there. And in fairness to him,
there's a lot of other weird stuff going on, but
I think there's just a wear and tear, Like what
do you need to get your tires changed? Depending on
where you live? Every you know, so many, so many miles.
It's kind of like a running back when you run
for two thousand yards and you have all those carries
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and touches, you're just probably not going to be the
same the next season. So especially when you're older, it's
one thing. If you're like a second year player. I mean,
he's been a league a while and he's battled injury,
so I think it's just a step slower. And most importantly,
their offensive line, especially guard center guard, is clearly not
as good.
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Speaker 7 (30:02):
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Speaker 2 (30:11):
Then we got up, Doug. The game today is rank
them all right. Doug ranked the three best teams in
the NFL through seven weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Oh man, I've got I've got the Michael Michael Jackson
popcorn emoji. I'm anxious for these three. Go ahead, Doug.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Why are you making fun of me because I contradict
myself with my rankings?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Michael Jackson gift. That's what the listeners need to think about.
I'm very anxious.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Okay, it's a popcorn ready. That's my t o get
your popcorn ready.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Man, Okay, I will do uh. I just I'm trying
not to be I'm gonna put Packers at three. Packers,
I'm gonna put the uh, builds it to in Colts
at one?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Hmmm, builds it to in cult set one for the record.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
A week ago to this very second, Doug had chosen
the Steelers as the best team in the NFL and
they did not make the top three.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, they just lost on Thursday night to the Cincinnati
Bengals and had no pressure in context of the time.
Two weeks ago, they look great and they had one lot.
They were like four and one. They looked good. They
were going into place Cincinnati on Thursday night. Cincinnata looked
like crap with Joe Flacco just coming in a new
offensive line context of it, I don't feel the same now.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Colts the top team in the AFC. If the playoffs
started right now, the Packers would be the number one
seed in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hard to tell the Packers. Have you seen this where
they've scored twenty seven points in every win they've had
this year? And Brett Farv and Aaron Rodgers when they
won their first Super Bowl, we're both twenty seven years old.
Jordan Love is twenty seven years old as well, and
they've scored twenty seven points in all their wins.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
The twenty seven I had the twenty seven stat remember
that earlier in the year, you guys remember that on
Thursday Night, I do yes, and then Amazon threw Bart
Starr into the mix.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
But I'd love it if the Packers could get off
twenty seven because twenty seven to me is just like
three hole hum touchdowns or four touchdowns and a missed
extra point. What do you can do for their math
on that? But I'd like it if they could score
something else other than twenty seven. They also have that
funky tie record, and yes, they've had kind of a
weird just a weird start, like good.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And it's no, you're right, Sam, I like the right next.
I text all my friends all the time, like are
they good or are they just winning? As much as
you want to sit there and go, well, you know,
they beat Detroit, Like yeah's week one of the season
and We've one thing we've learned, especially the last five
(33:10):
years in the NFL, is first three or four weeks
don't really matter that there's lots of outlier outcomes. So
but I'm gonna have him third somebody.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
If these twenty sevens are if these twenty sevens are
something of the cosmos. I don't know if I feel
like they're actually gonna go on to win a Super Bowl. Also,
twenty seven makes me think of the all the musicians
that dive twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well, Joseel Tuova's twenty seven most people.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Think about, Yeah, there's that one Heckler at Dodgers Stadium
roller this year and like all time great line. Some
about Josel tuve in twenty seven ways in which he
cheated or something or twenty seven shades are great. I'm
not really sure that.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
What twenty seven stamps for the number of pitchers you
saw coming to the s twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Huh is that what twenty seven stamps for? Answer me?
And he didn't answer. That's so rude.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Jason called in Well two, they did not call back
whatever that Smith all right?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
He actually gave an answer. It was a very short answer.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
They wrote Geno Smith off, but he r right back.
That's what it was, all right, Doug, Well, rank your
top twenty seven teams in college football. I'm kidding, just
make three the top three in college football?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
How boring was that Ohio State Wisconsin game? That was
one of those like, okay, just do we have to
really play it like they can't score and they can
do whatever they want. It's like I'm gonna do. Uh,
I'm gonna go Bama at three A and M at
two High State one. No, I'm not gonna have Indiana
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my top three. Probably should they beat organ at organ
El a win, but A and M beat Notre Dame
met Notre Dame, right, and then al Alabama.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Alabama's yeah, Georgia, Georgia. Yeah, well it took care of
Tennessee as well this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, So I'm gonna go Bama at Bama three A
and M two Ohio State one.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
Yeah, go ahead and say sorry, no, I'm budding in here.
I know you're on top of this, but America is
not talking enough about Julian saying in his insane numbers
eighty percent completion, it's got like what nineteen touchdowns, two picks.
The guy is just quietly just like so, well, he's
doing what he's he's supposed to do. Parnell Tait and
(35:37):
you know, yeah and Smith, Yes, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
The Mischian game is the only game, like, I mean,
the rest of their schedule is it's unbelievable how this
schedules opened up for him. Penn State and obviously they
were really competitive last week, but no, Drew Aller and
coaching change, and you get an extra week to prepare,
then Perdue on the road, then Ucla at home, Rutgers
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at home, and then at Michigan. And I don't think
anybody thinks Michigan.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Is pretty play good, but it's still yeah, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They got to get over that hump.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Completely different.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I mean, that's a team they're going to be in
the college for a playoff. I have no but I
can't absolutely say that. I mean, I think Indiana's really
close to the I mean, Indiana's not gonna lose, though,
Indiana'll be in it. So the two big ten teams
we know will be in it. The SEC very much
up in the air, because I mean, you can lose
any of these games. I don't see I don't see them.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm going to just take the time here quickly. The
loss by Miami this weekend was big for a lot
of reasons. With the Friday night loss, realistically, they could
have played in the Orange Bowl in the first round.
Basically that's a home game.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Then the National semi Final and then the National Championship
game is in South Florida, so they would have had
two home games of the three playoff games if they
were to be a top four seed. So then you
can talk about where, like other teams are flying all
over the country to try to find these bowl games.
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Ohio State was in Pasadena, then the Cotton Bowl and
then Atlanta last year, they would have just stayed in
South Florida. All right. Finally, Doug, rank your top three
MVP candidates for the upcoming season that starts tonight. Oh, NBA,
NBA MVP, Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh, I got to do an order. I'll do Luca
at three, Jokic at two, and Shade and one.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
All right, and that is game time.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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like your boy. I was thinking, and I want to
get to last night's Blue Jays comeback win. We'll get
(00:50):
on last night's NFL games, the second of which congrats
to Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks. But I think we can
all agree ugly football game, right, like like Dan's probably like, dude,
we'll take it. Don't care. But that was not an
aesthetically pleasing game at all. No, you don't care, you
do care?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
That was ugly It was absolutely awful, Doug.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
It was.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
It was atrocious all the time. You saw the football
over four times in a game, and you have an
opportunity to wrap it up, and they failed to do so.
One of the least satisfying wins in my memory for
the Seahawks, despite them being five and two.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I would so much rather win ugly than lose pretty.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh, no doubt. You know, just didn't have to be
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
No, it was a It was an ugly football like
so much so that, like I knew Jason didn't text
us last night, but I know he was chuckling. And
chortling's a word, right, Like we all know what chortling
is when you like kind of snort and chuckle at
the same time. Right, Jason was chortling last night because
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he's been on this zero patur the everybody watched the
end even though the NFL's product isn't really any good,
and last night was one of his atta boy moments
because he was right. I was watching him, like, oh
my god, Jason's so right. This is such a bad
football game. You know. There's and again I want to
get to baseball. Give me one minute, but something you
(02:17):
said in the update was like the only reason to
maybe pay attention to tonight's Rockets Oklahoma City Thunder game.
You said the thunder are gonna get their rings tonight
and they're gonna take on Kevin Durant, Right, so there
are people that'll be in the crowd, not any of
(02:37):
the players. They'd be like, c KD, we want to
want a ring without you. He'd be like, I have two,
would have had three if I didn't get hurt. But
it's it's really interesting. It's like he's their former great player,
and tonight is a little bit of in your face,
(02:58):
we can win a championship here, you just weren't good
enough or want to stay long enough to win one.
I guess just the thing anyway, NBA season lacking a
lot of buzz for your boy. Even though love basketball,
coach basketball, love the NBA. It feels like there's probably
ten players that are over the hill that we're not
(03:19):
okay with saying they're over the hill, even though they
are right. And then there's the idea of the best
team is in Oklahoma City and people are just struggling
to come around to the fact because it's like, you
gotta win a championship to be a star, but you
got to be a star in some level or have
stars to win a championship. And we're stuck because Oklahoma
(03:40):
City won a championship before they had multiple bona fide stars,
which means we could have that there's a world there
where it becomes a dynasty and we're simply early on
in the dynasty, or there's a world where it was
an outlier. We'll get back to the NBA in a second.
Let's get to Major League Baseball. I was watching last
(04:03):
night George Springer hits this home run and the Blue
Jays come back, and what looked like it It didn't
look good. Granted, seventh inning, that's when it usually goes bad.
I thought last night, the seventh inning turnaround where they
put up three runs on the Springer home run, when
(04:26):
I and you guys didn't respond, which I was a
little hurt by. But that's okay, because people don't respond
to Dan's and then Dan gets hurt by it as well.
All of our feelings are crushed because we all have
other everybody else has lives, and when you send out
a group text text, you think that immediately everybody's gonna
respond My text was baseball, because I was like, that's
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the most that's the most cliche cliche baseball thing ever,
wasn't it. Like it's the Blue Jay's bottom half of
the seventh. The Mariners change pictures, they put wu in
Burger walks, then they get a single right, then the
sack bunt. Then they change pitchers, specifically bring in a
(05:11):
pitcher Edward Bizardo, and Bizardo comes in and gives up
a home run to George Springer. But the way the
succession of events is as comeback cliche as possible. It's
wasn't the Dave Roberts when he kep He's he pinched ran.
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But that inning, I believe was started with a walk.
Every late inning rally in baseball seems to start with
a walk. Like that's the cliche, that's how it always happens.
It's it's like the announcer Jinx in basketball. Right the
second you say something about somebody's free throw percentage, automatically
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they're going to miss, you know. The second that you
don't pay attention to an extra point in football is
when a when you or when you act like this
is a guaranteed point, they're gonna make it. Something goes
wrong and it doesn't become a guaranteed point. And in baseball,
the most cliche thing about a comeback is the lead
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off walk, Oh boy, the leadoff oh boy, and the
pressure builds up. Now buyer, have you and Jason? Have
you heard Jason go and do his rant about how
like he's really bothered that Springer George Springer hit the
(06:43):
home run last night because George Springer was the MVP
of the Sully Championship, because he was the MVP that
year when the Astros won the World Series.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
We have not had a conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's he he just is really struggling with it. You know,
he's smoking hot girl friend. He can't talk to her.
He's struggling to come on air to put together a show.
And I get it, but it's it's like he was
personally hurt by this, or maybe it's that he's bothered.
(07:14):
And I get that. I actually understand it, because I mean,
think of think of the it's when we do the
Aaron Judges the American League home run Champion, Why do
we do that? Well, Barry Bonds has the record. Yeah, well,
he was taking stories steroids. He says he didn't knowingly
(07:34):
take storoids, but he absolutely took steroids. He was he
this behemoth figure late in his thirties hitting out bombs,
and so whenever I see that, it doesn't sit well
with me. So were you, Jay stud just asking the question?
Were you rooting against him the whole game or was
it after the fact that you hit the home run?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
What is the experience like? As such an ardent Dodger
fan to watch George Springer be the.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Hero today, George Springer's on a short list of cheaters
from the twenty seventeen World Series that cost my Dodgers
a World championship. I think Yankee fans are even more
pissed off than I am because it cost them a
chance the World Series. And then Springer is on that shortlist,
right Alex Bregman. Uh Altuve tops the list, and then
Bregman I saw last night and it was listed in
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the Chiron as an accolade. You know, they're like they'll
always give, like, you know, seven time MVP, he said,
twenty two postseason home runs, third all time, the MVP
of the twenty seventeen World Series. And I'm thinking I
think they included that in the graphic as an accolade,
when I think it's an albatross. And for those that
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aren't familiar with the rhyme and the ancient mariner, the
albatross is something that you should be burdened by for
the rest of your life. You were the best cheater
on a team that admitted to cheating to win the
World Series. I will never root for him. I'm glad
we're playing him because I want to see us get
him out. But yeah, he's on that short list.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, it's an interesting experience, and I actually do like
the more you describe it to me, the more I
understand like they should carry a Scarlett letter. The issue
with it for me is, I mean, unless I'm mistaken less,
there's something all last night's achievement was based upon his
own personal skill he didn't have. He didn't know what
pitch was coming. We don't know. And of course, when
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you've done it once and the players were never punished,
what's to stop you from doing it again? But I
so listing his past accomplishment, I get it. But rooting
again against some current day I think you're rooting against
how people have let these guys slide more than rooting
against him.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
He said, twenty three home runs in the postseason. I
think that's third all the time. You guys can fact
check me. Twenty three home runs in the postseason. The
problem with the cheating scandal is that all of those
home runs can be looked at through a different filter, Right,
he's a chest.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yes, that's fair, Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think maybe the
tide has turned because we all saw that viral video
from this past summer on how jose L two vaight
was just verbally assaulted by a fan at Dodger Stadium.
Don't you think that that was maybe the turning point
in all of this, just verbally berated.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Okay, so silver people. So for people who are are
newt to the show or you haven't listened, Uh, do
we have this the sound there? This was there was
one such fan who I mean, I mean he made
how you know he did, Dan? He made helse L
two a feel small they did.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
I think this is where the tide turned. I don't
know if Jason agrees, but when I heard this clip
of the fan, I mean I think that that kind
of turned the tide.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, there's would that fan say, Jason, there's twenty seven
ways in which you cheated.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
There are He's number twenty seven, Altuve, and that the
fan made of I think one of the most original
Booze and jeer. I don't think Altuoda has ever heard
this year that twenty seven on the back of or
back stands for the number of pitches you knew were
coming in the twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's funny. That's funny, You're funny.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I will say this to Jason's point that even if
the Astros were significantly punished or the players were significantly
punished for their roles in it, it's still a scarlet
letter that and dug to your point about it, but
even if they were to do their time, if you will,
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that it would be still a part of their career.
Like a Rod had his suspensions and it's still a
part of his career with the steroid. But but it's not.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
But it's not. This is this is where this is where.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I don't think that we look at a Rod's Let
me let me just make my point before you say it.
It's it's It makes it doubly worse that not only
is their life after death, that the players didn't even
feel a death. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Jason correct, No, that thing that maybe that was the
biggest indictment on the whole thing. They gave the players
immunity and they never suffered a consequence.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I will say it's kind of classic baseball. Like Alex
Rodriguez is broadcasting all these games, like there's the dude
who got caught twice with steroids? Like what what do
we what? And he's speaking on baseball. Why he was
(12:48):
a great talent, but everything he accomplished in his career
should be called in the question. They couldn't wait to
get him out of that Yankee clubhouse. And then when
the Yankees get eliminated, like who gets the comment on
national team about the Yankees current and future history? Alex
Rodriguez Like what, that's a weird one, but that's kind
of classic baseball. Barry Bonds, though he wasn't a good one,
(13:13):
became a hitting coach still around baseball when you know,
violated the core tenants of baseball. Pete Rose was the
one guy that was kicked out the game because he
was gambling on baseball. And now a part of it
is he's passed, but part of it is that's kind
of baseball and that they like they don't really want
to punish anybody, but it is a weird thing. I
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do think it's a better series than the Mariners series
in that now you have a whole country that actually,
on some level cares, and you have the Dodgers. Otherwise
of your numbers would have been bad. And Seattle's just
such a niche market. Great market, but so niche. I'd
love a study to be done. I'd love Elias Sports
(13:57):
Bureau to find out how many comebacks a inning or
greater have started, Like what's percentage of postseason comebacks that
start with a leadoff walk. I'm watching and I was
doing the multi view. I'm not gonna lie to you guys,
but I did have the sound on on the baseball
and all of a sudden seventh inning, Woo Woo walks
(14:17):
first batter, and I was like, oh, here we go,
here we go, here we go. And now we have
Blue Jays and Dodgers and the blue Jays. Let's also
be honest, like, they're not a poor team. They put
a lot of money in this team. Maybe not Dodger money,
but plenty of money. This is not rich versus poor,
This is rich versus richer. Here's John Schnyder talking about
(14:43):
Jay Stu's boys, Springer and his team.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Before the game. I said, there there's always someone that's
gonna have a moment. Right in a game seven, winner
take all game. They had a couple, you know, from
one of their big name guys between Julio cal and
Josh So you never really know. So in the moment,
I've seen Georgie hit some homers, you know, and I
was just hoping that he got enough of it. And
(15:05):
when he did, you know, you kind of look around
and you see players and coaches reacting the way they did.
Kind of surreal in the moment when you're witnessing a
historic swing for the organization, you know what I mean.
And then you try to get back. I remember going
right to Pete and just making sure, yeah, Chris is
still the guy no matter what for the eighth inning,
so you kind of get back into manager mode.
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It open, dude, do It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're
listening to Fox Sports Radio. John Mitlkalffla join us in
about five minutes, give or take. So we've talked a
(16:35):
lot about the Jets, which we get caught up in
that the Jets are that vortex that if you get
in the water, even if you're you feel like you're
far removed, it just grabs you and pulls you in.
You can't get out of it. Like, why are we
talking about the Jets? They stink? Okay, So here's their owner,
(16:58):
Woody Glenn talking about the says of Woody Johnson. Woody
Johnson talking about their head coach Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 8 (17:06):
If I were a player, he would I would respond
to him because he's the real deal. Nobs, there's no
second Agenda's what you're hearing is the truth. And a
lot of time players don't get the truth. They get
a lot of gobbledy Google.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
How have you been given Aaron confidence that you still
believe in him?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You day?
Speaker 7 (17:26):
All right, what do you say to him?
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I say, keep the faith, Matt, And.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
Do you really believe it? I do.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I'm not a liar, you.
Speaker 8 (17:35):
Know, but you might you may think I am, But yeah,
I can't say it's something I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Okay, So there's your answer as to if Aaron Glenn's
gonna be back next year. Okay, Well what about quarterback?
I've told you I didn't. I didn't understand the the
the Justin Field signing at all. Two years. It's not
huge money, but it's not backup money. Take a list
of would Johnson thinks about their quarterback play.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
It looks like he's turning around parts of it. You know,
it's hard when you have a quarterback with you know,
with a rating that we've got. You knows, I mean,
he has the ability, but something just is not jiving.
But if you look at any any head coach of
the quarterback like that, you're going to see similar.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Results if you across the league.
Speaker 8 (18:20):
You have to play consistently at that position, and that's
what we're going to try to do well. But we
can just complete a pass, it would look good. You know,
you got to complete some pathth You got to convince
him that you can do something.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
If we could just complete a pass, it would look good.
That's what he That's what your owner just said about
the quarterback that he employs. John Mitlcoff joins us year
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Of course,
John is a EDIFL analyst host of the three Now
podcast on the Volume podcast network. That sounded like there,
as I said before the year, they're going to be
(18:54):
in the market for a quarterback this offseason and then
Aaron Glenn is safe through this year.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
In the next year, Yeah, I mean, I totally agree.
I mean I what I don't understand though, is what
he gave his GM as head coach, right, the money
and the latitude to make this decision, and they chose
this player. So it's like, you know, he's kind of
crapping on Justin Fields there, but Justin Fields has kind
(19:21):
of been the exact same guy since he's been in
the NFL. Yeah, but to me, the reflection is, do
I trust they just because one thing. Listen, if he
had been playing like this and they'd given him one
year six million dollars, like welcome to the NFL, that
happens all the time. But they end two years thirty
million dollars guaranteed like that, that's not nothing, and all
of a sudden, we're gonna go, We're gonna left this
(19:42):
guy make our next quarterback decisions because let's face the
Jets are not exactly hot when it comes to quarterbacks.
Zach Wilson disaster Fields now disaster. You know, the Rogers
thing clearly did not work out. So I don't know
what would give him the confidence that his GM and
head coach combination could figure this out.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Do you No? No, I didn't get it. Like Pittsburgh
had him last year and they were we'd prefer Russell
Wilson to him, and Russell Wilson can't play, and you know,
the year before, obviously he was in Chicago and they
couldn't wait to get rid of him there.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
You know what, Doug. I mean, I know you do too.
I mean, I watched a lot of college football. It
doesn't really feel like there's a lot of like Jaden
Daniels and you know, high end quarterback prospects in this class.
You know, Ty Simpson's a good player, but his team
stacks and you know he's a smaller player. Uh, Fernando
Mendoza's kind of I don't want to call him a
(20:43):
one hit wonder because he he was solid at Cow,
but I mean it's just and hes still got some
big games to play. It does not feel like just
because you have the number one pick, there's Matt Stafford
or Andrew lux sitting there. And let's face it, last year,
you know, I listen, it's that Giants game all timer.
But if you are a Giants fan, I think the
way you keep your head high as you go, we
(21:05):
wouldn't trade our quarterback for the guy that went number
one for anything, And I think that kind of shows
you as Jackson Dart went the mid twenties and cam
Ward went number one, and I don't think there are
many gms in the league right now. If you said, hey,
what quarterback would you want for the next five years.
I think Jackson don't would be pretty universal. It kind
of shows you. I mean, this is a it's an
(21:25):
inexact science, and especially with quarterback classes that aren't like
quote unquote can't miss it.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I don't think I'm well out know you're right, but
I'm I'm very very close to certain you are in
fact correct. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. How do you Those types of losses take
like years off your life? And I thought that's what
brought down the Chargers in their previous regime. I mean,
(21:54):
I understand they weren't crazy well coached, and there's lots
of things that went wrong, but you know, they were
better than Jacksonville. They're up big, Jacksonville comes back and
beats him, and even the following year, it felt like
the Chargers never recovered from that. Do you think a
younger Giants team can recover from that sort of collapse.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think it's a little easier because you got Scataboo
Dart and Abdua Carter if that, you know, don't have
the scars of the last decade plus of just embarrassment
with the Giants. You know, I think sometimes it helps
being kind of green and NAIs. You know, if you're
for some of the older players on the Giants, it's
got to be like, what is going on? I do
think they're in a tough spot. You know, you got
(22:39):
to give day Ball credit because that video went viral
around the draft, Like Jackson dart was his guy. He
was the pounding the table for him. And clearly the
Giants once they keep the GM and head coach, they
gave we just talked about this with the Jets. They
gave them the Jews to make a pretty big decision,
and Jackson dart Is looks pretty good under his watch, right,
(23:00):
And I would say there's a lot of you know,
if you are going to suck, at least that power
of having hope with your quarterback. I mean, that's the
Dolphins and the Browns what it's like to suck and
have nothing with quarterbacks. Right. I kind of lean like
I would give them another year. I would let Dave
Ball work with this quarterback because how often I mean,
the Titans were not even to Halloween and they have
(23:21):
a coaching search going on. So even if cam Ward, who,
let's face it, I mean, does not look good, but like,
who would excel in that situation. I remember when I
was younger, I saw with Alice Smith with the forty
nine ers, Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary's most guys can't overcome
the dysfunction, and the Giants would be no different. If
it's like, oh, we just won five six games, fire everybody,
(23:42):
and then you know how it goes to coaches come
in so yeah, I like dark, but you really lie
like I love them. And then a year in, if
it's not going well, you start pivoting and you know,
looking for another guy, so it can just get weird.
I would tend and Giants fans might not want to
hear this, but to give Dave Ball like two years
with this quarterback, the running back, Abdul Carter, and just
(24:03):
see if there's any momentum by next year.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It is crazy as as much as he gets credited
as a quarterback, whisper as good a job as he's
done with Dart on the Daniel Jones thing and how
it didn't work once they didn't have Saquon Barkley and
yet now you look at Daniel Jones and he's back
with a quality running back and they're one of the
best teams in the league. How do you account for that?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, you know, in fairness, like Daniel Jones was playing
so bad and their weapons were not great, especially once
Sake One left, Like when they caught him last.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Year, he was atrocious.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
But I hear you listen, I think Shane psych and
if we were like the way we ranked players, I
think if we were ranking guys to call our offense
and we just pulled all the gms in the league,
change Psychins above Brian Baball, I mean, change Psyching. I
don't know. I don't want to say elite because I
know it's strugged, but I think he's pretty damn good.
And watching him against the Charger game, I mean, was
(25:03):
the last time you saw Jim Harbaugh defense just get
worked like that? I mean every single play, guys wide open,
little play action plays, guys just walking for ten to
fifteen yards. It was crazy. And one thing that they
have that the Giants just didn't. They're taking pretty stacked
on offense. I mean multiple wide receivers. The young tight
(25:24):
end looks like a starmer. I mean that's I mean,
that's a big picture thing with the Bears, like to
they so they have just if they could redo it
where they have taken Warren over Loveland And obviously the
running back is probably I think we're three straight years, right,
McCaffrey two years ago, Sakuon last year, and Jonathan Taylor
this year. Just like I'm the best non quarterback offensive
(25:45):
player in the league and no one can stop me
because that's how good Jonathan Taylor looks. I think it's
more of a reflection of Stiching and the team that
we've always said, the culture, just a solid quarterback away
and watching you know, first, I was like, you know,
Alex Smith's I think you could argue Daniel Jones is
more physically gifted than alis similar athletes, but definitely a
(26:06):
better arm. And he's made some throws this season that
I don't know, he just never really made in his
career with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No, maybe it's being inside, not really sure that helps.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
That helps?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Hey were it feels far away because it's Sunday night
and we're only here on a Tuesday. But Aaron Rodgers
and the Steelers the stunning thing to meet up for
the Steelers was and didn't put any pressure on the Bengals
last week like nothing, and the Bengals ran the ball
at him and threw the ball at him. What's going
(26:38):
on the Pittsburgh's defense.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, they had looked really good the previous weeks. I
do think when you get as the season goes on
road teams Thursday night, you're at such a big disadvantage.
And the reality is with the Steelers is like TV
watt relative to NFL terms kind of old. Ham Hayward's
really old. And they looked at in that game where
they had not looked at in the in just the
normal will Sunday, seven day work week cycles. So I'm
(27:03):
going to give them a little bit of the benefit
of doubt that it was just kind of heavy legs.
But yeah, I mean Joe Flacco was eating a peanut
butter sandwich back there. And you know, this is what
Mike Tomlin was talking about, like in your division to
trade a capable quarterback because at the end of the day,
we can quibble with how the Bengals are built. Those
two hide receivers, especially Jamar Chase. I mean they are
(27:26):
if t Higgins your number two, you are pretty stacked
there and they just if you're not going to touch Blaco,
he can throw that kind of go route, fade route,
back shoulder route. I mean, he's gonna be able to
probably do that till he's eighty years old. So I
think it's more of a reflection of quick turnaround a seat.
I mean, who is Minnesota coming to LA this week?
Like that's that's a long travel As the season goes
(27:49):
on for Thursday night game.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
No question, what's happened to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I had a buddy in the league that thought, like,
you know, he everything last year, He's got a huge contract.
When Super Bowl has a star season kind of validates
like I'm a great player, and just the off season,
maybe you don't grind as hard, and all of a
sudden you get to the season and your offensive line's
not as good. You got injuries, you got some guys
that take off of free agency, you have a new coordinator.
(28:20):
So and even he talked about it. I think after
week three or four that I forget. It was like
Marshall fall or someone told him like, hey man, he's
got to let loose and kind of like you did
last year. But you're just you're not in the same mindset.
Once you know you climb the mountaintop. What do they
say that the greatest deterrence that successful times can just
be human nature. I don't necessarily blame him, but he
(28:42):
had a chip on his shoulder last year and then
started that off season with the Giants hard knocks, and
it just doesn't quite feel there. And in fairness to him,
there's a lot of other weird stuff going on, but
I think there's just a wear and tear, Like what
do you need to get your tires changed? Depending on
where you live? Every you know, so many, so many miles.
It's kind of like a running back when you run
for two thousand yards and you have all those carries
(29:04):
and touches, you're just probably not going to be the
same the next season. So especially when you're older, it's
one thing. If you're like a second year player. I mean,
he's been a league a while and he's battled injury,
so I think it's just a step slower. And most importantly,
their offensive line, especially guard center guard, is clearly not
as good.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
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Speaker 7 (29:30):
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in Dan. Buy her with the game.
Speaker 7 (30:02):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Then we got up, Doug. The game today is rank
them all right. Doug ranked the three best teams in
the NFL through seven weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Oh man, I've got I've got the Michael Michael Jackson
popcorn emoji. I'm anxious for these three. Go ahead, Doug.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Why are you making fun of me because I contradict
myself with my rankings?
Speaker 4 (30:37):
Michael Jackson gift. That's what the listeners need to think about.
I'm very anxious.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Okay, it's a popcorn ready. That's my t o get
your popcorn ready.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Man, Okay, I will do uh. I just I'm trying
not to be I'm gonna put Packers at three. Packers,
I'm gonna put the uh, builds it to in Colts
at one?
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Hmmm, builds it to in cult set one for the record.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
A week ago to this very second, Doug had chosen
the Steelers as the best team in the NFL and
they did not make the top three.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, they just lost on Thursday night to the Cincinnati
Bengals and had no pressure in context of the time.
Two weeks ago, they look great and they had one lot.
They were like four and one. They looked good. They
were going into place Cincinnati on Thursday night. Cincinnata looked
like crap with Joe Flacco just coming in a new
offensive line context of it, I don't feel the same now.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Colts the top team in the AFC. If the playoffs
started right now, the Packers would be the number one
seed in the NFC.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Hard to tell the Packers. Have you seen this where
they've scored twenty seven points in every win they've had
this year? And Brett Farv and Aaron Rodgers when they
won their first Super Bowl, we're both twenty seven years old.
Jordan Love is twenty seven years old as well, and
they've scored twenty seven points in all their wins.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
The twenty seven I had the twenty seven stat remember
that earlier in the year, you guys remember that on
Thursday Night, I do yes, and then Amazon threw Bart
Starr into the mix.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
But I'd love it if the Packers could get off
twenty seven because twenty seven to me is just like
three hole hum touchdowns or four touchdowns and a missed
extra point. What do you can do for their math
on that? But I'd like it if they could score
something else other than twenty seven. They also have that
funky tie record, and yes, they've had kind of a
weird just a weird start, like good.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
And it's no, you're right, Sam, I like the right next.
I text all my friends all the time, like are
they good or are they just winning? As much as
you want to sit there and go, well, you know,
they beat Detroit, Like yeah's week one of the season
and We've one thing we've learned, especially the last five
(33:10):
years in the NFL, is first three or four weeks
don't really matter that there's lots of outlier outcomes. So
but I'm gonna have him third somebody.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
If these twenty sevens are if these twenty sevens are
something of the cosmos. I don't know if I feel
like they're actually gonna go on to win a Super Bowl. Also,
twenty seven makes me think of the all the musicians
that dive twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Well, Joseel Tuova's twenty seven most people.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Think about, Yeah, there's that one Heckler at Dodgers Stadium
roller this year and like all time great line. Some
about Josel tuve in twenty seven ways in which he
cheated or something or twenty seven shades are great. I'm
not really sure that.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
What twenty seven stamps for the number of pitchers you
saw coming to the s twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Huh is that what twenty seven stamps for? Answer me?
And he didn't answer. That's so rude.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
Jason called in Well two, they did not call back
whatever that Smith all right?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
He actually gave an answer. It was a very short answer.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
They wrote Geno Smith off, but he r right back.
That's what it was, all right, Doug, Well, rank your
top twenty seven teams in college football. I'm kidding, just
make three the top three in college football?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
How boring was that Ohio State Wisconsin game? That was
one of those like, okay, just do we have to
really play it like they can't score and they can
do whatever they want. It's like I'm gonna do. Uh,
I'm gonna go Bama at three A and M at
two High State one. No, I'm not gonna have Indiana
(34:49):
my top three. Probably should they beat organ at organ
El a win, but A and M beat Notre Dame
met Notre Dame, right, and then al Alabama.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Alabama's yeah, Georgia, Georgia. Yeah, well it took care of
Tennessee as well this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yeah, So I'm gonna go Bama at Bama three A
and M two Ohio State one.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
Yeah, go ahead and say sorry, no, I'm budding in here.
I know you're on top of this, but America is
not talking enough about Julian saying in his insane numbers
eighty percent completion, it's got like what nineteen touchdowns, two picks.
The guy is just quietly just like so, well, he's
doing what he's he's supposed to do. Parnell Tait and
(35:37):
you know, yeah and Smith, Yes, I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
The Mischian game is the only game, like, I mean,
the rest of their schedule is it's unbelievable how this
schedules opened up for him. Penn State and obviously they
were really competitive last week, but no, Drew Aller and
coaching change, and you get an extra week to prepare,
then Perdue on the road, then Ucla at home, Rutgers
(36:00):
at home, and then at Michigan. And I don't think
anybody thinks Michigan.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Is pretty play good, but it's still yeah, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
They got to get over that hump.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Completely different.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I mean, that's a team they're going to be in
the college for a playoff. I have no but I
can't absolutely say that. I mean, I think Indiana's really
close to the I mean, Indiana's not gonna lose, though,
Indiana'll be in it. So the two big ten teams
we know will be in it. The SEC very much
up in the air, because I mean, you can lose
any of these games. I don't see I don't see them.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm going to just take the time here quickly. The
loss by Miami this weekend was big for a lot
of reasons. With the Friday night loss, realistically, they could
have played in the Orange Bowl in the first round.
Basically that's a home game.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Then the National semi Final and then the National Championship
game is in South Florida, so they would have had
two home games of the three playoff games if they
were to be a top four seed. So then you
can talk about where, like other teams are flying all
over the country to try to find these bowl games.
(37:07):
Ohio State was in Pasadena, then the Cotton Bowl and
then Atlanta last year, they would have just stayed in
South Florida. All right. Finally, Doug, rank your top three
MVP candidates for the upcoming season that starts tonight. Oh, NBA,
NBA MVP, Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh, I got to do an order. I'll do Luca
at three, Jokic at two, and Shade and one.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
All right, and that is game time.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Okay, next hour, we're going to talk about Charlie Baker,
the head of the NCAA, what he said about the
possible NCAA tournament expansion. Your Own Whitesman's going to join
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He wrote a book about the Lakers and the dreams
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