September 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug weighs in on what happened in the Monday night game between the Bears and Vikings, and says the hardest thing as a coach to do is to coach your team how to win. Doug gives his take on the Dolphins. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about JJ McCarthy, the Ravens and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of Rank 'Em.
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We got one week of NFL games in the books,
and it culminated with I thought it was a good watch,
interesting game last night Soldier Field, where yeah, the inner
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Green Bay resident in me wants to say, well, the
Bears still suck, right, But there's a lot more to
it than that. I think. Here's the part that here's
the part that I know as a coach, I believed
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I knew beforehand, but it became even more apparent as
time went on, and it was apparent watching Ben Johnson,
who I thought had his team ready, had him seem prepped,
you know, so like part of the big part of coaching,
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you know, is one you gotta have not just the
right system, but the right talent for the right system.
Sometimes that takes a little bit of time. Two you
gotta have a great plan, and three you gotta have
the players prepared prepared for what the other team plans,
so they can counterattack or counter whatever they're trying to
do right count whatever they try to do. So I
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thought Ben Johnson's team was well prepared. I thought they
were pretty focused. Defense got him a tuddy offense, could
you know, solid first drive with a couple of plays
where they broke off of script, and despite the fact
their offense had gone meh for basically two and a
half other quarters, they were still in pole position, prime
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position to win a game. That's when the Vikings woke up.
They're essentially rookie quarterback JJ McCarthy started gaining confidence and
make plays. And that's also when you know Flores kind
of cranked up the pressure on the Bears, and the
Bears sort of wilted under that pressure. They did score
a touchdown late, did have a chance to either kick
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an on sidekick or get the football back if they
kicked it out of bounds. They did neither, and the
game expires and they lose the game without much of
an opportunity to get the football back with just one
timeout and the two minute warning having expired on the kickoff.
But people ask all the time, like, what did you learn? Well,
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I don't know if I learned it or I already
knew it. But the hardest thing to do in coaching
is teaching a team how to win, right, Because you
can take them to the water, but man, you just
can't make them drink. You can open up their mouth,
pour it in, close their mouth, but they don't always
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swallow and actually drink that water. And when you come
into organizations which are used to winning and what's used
to losing those games, it's really hard to turn around
that the narrative. That's honestly what Jim Harbaugh does best, right,
It's what Jim Harbaugh does best. He finds a way
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to create a culture where winning is expected, and even
with guys that haven't necessarily done it yet or done
it before, they do it at the NFL level. And
I'm watching last night with the Bears, and from I
mean Caleb Williams, you can't have a grounding penalty there
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if you don't have a grounding penalty, if you just
throw the ball away, or even if you eat the
football going down, you're in better field goal range. You
don't miss the field goal, and the Vikings never come
back and take a lead. So, yeah, Caleb Williams missed
some throws. Caleb Williams looked overwhelmed against against some of
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the pressure late Caleb Williams does It does look like
it takes a while to load up and get rid
of that football. And he's not exceptionally big. There's some
things he does really really well. But Caleb Williams is
he's more the symptom than the problem, and the symptom
is it's a symptom of the greater thing, which is
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the Bears don't know how to win those games and
the Vikings do. And you could even say that's what
JJ McCarthy does, right, I wouldn't combined his college record,
his pro record when he's at Michigan. Really well, coached,
great team, win a national championship, all that's good. But
I mean it's a different sport at different level. But
there is a part to me that says, you know,
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there's a reason this guy is thirty eight and one
is now thirty nine. Starts winners win. They just find
a way. And last night the Vikings found away. Last
night the Bears did not. That's really as kind of
simple as as you can put it. Last night the
Vikings found away and the Bears did not. And because
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of it, you know, we're left with Okay, So is
JJ McCarthy out good when he was bad the first
three quarters? Is call Williams bad when he was good
in the first quarter. I don't know. But my takeaway
from last night is that Ben Johnson, his first game
as the head coach, had his team mentally and physically
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prepared and in the right head space. And they play
and they play really well in the first half in
some stretches, especially the defensive side the football. But it
fell apart late because he has not yet figured out
or they have not yet been able to understand how
they need to learn how to win, because they do not.
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They do not. This is JJ McCarthy, who's the quarterback
obviously the Vikings talking about adversity that we.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Gotta believe, you know, that's one thing that we can
do is control the controllables in our belief.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And you know, going out there and executing.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
That next play. And you know, it's as simple as that.
We got a great group and everyone was on the
same page with that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Gotta believe, you know, you gotta find guys that buy in.
You gotta find the right fit. Here's Kevin O'Connell, head
coach of the Viking. He's talking about JJ's JJ's night.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's not always going to be pretty when you're trying
to bring along a young quarterback. You just got to
keep playing and you got to allow, you know, him
to grow. There was a lot of just things we
can improve on and we will be great to be
home for a couple of weeks. All in all, I'm
very proud of our team, very proud of our staff,
and just that figured out in this and find a
way is something that will be a redeeming quality as
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we continue to press on. Where JJ McCarthy. For him
to make some of the plays he did, I told
him at halftime, you are going to bring us back
to win this game, and the look in his eye
was fantastic. And the best thing is just a belief
I felt from the team, the unit, and ultimately that
doesn't get done without him In the second half, two
passing touchdowns and then the critical rushing touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Here's Calla Williams summoning up their loss.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
That mentality is something that we have, something that we
you know, that we preach, and that didn't happen today.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And and I'm not it's not.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
A play call thing.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It's not anything like that. It's just being able to
go out there and execute the players that are called
and be able to you know, execut him at a
high level. And that's something that that we take pride in.
And you know, today that didn't happen, and we're going
to get back to it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Gonna gonna get back to it. Got to get back
to trying to win, trying to win games. Yeah, well,
I just think Kevin O'Connell's outright belief and the ability
to get guys to believe, and you have a team
that has won some Here's Peyton and Eli on the
Manning cast talking about why you kick off out of
bounds before the two minute warning. But by the way,
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I thought everybody knew.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You're thinking that maybe Chicio should just kick the ball
out of bounds, kick it out of bounds, fort and
take the penalty, take the penalty.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's on the forty. You always love that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And now you still got the time time out and
the two minute over.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
You say, yeah, you get to take any time, get
a time out out of bound, but you get to
stop in the inZone.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right you get the ball with a minute and ten
seconds left. Yes, yes, it was I think actually fifty
eight seconds what they would go. Here's Ben Johnson talking
about Cairo Santos kicking it into the end zone instead
of kicking it out of bounds. The intent was for
the ball to go out of the end zone, was there?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Do you guys consider? Yeah? It did.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
We felt like if we'd have kicked it out of
the end zone and gotten the three and out that
we got, we would get the ball back with around
fifty six seconds.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
There you go, There you go. So I again the
question is the question you have to ask is what
specifically did he say to Cayro Santos. Did he say
kick it out of bounds or kick it to where
they can't return it. It has to be a touchback
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right again, Like you sit there and go like, wait,
Cayro Santos is not a rookie kicker. I understand kicking
rules had changed, and obviously Cayro Santos either didn't know.
I mean he can kick it the ball out about
it and if you can't kick it out of the
back of the end zone, then kick it out of
the sideline where they get the forty. But those are
just the little things. Does it mean the Bears would
have won the game?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Does it mean they absolute would have gotten the ball back? No,
but you in order to put yourself in position where
you get every opportunity to win, you have to kick
the ball at a bouncer, and they did not.
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Speaker 8 (10:32):
I.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I was not corrected, but I was not necessarily affirmed
by Dan Byer the way I thought I would be
because I thought I had this great take that, hey,
Mike McDaniels is on the Mike McDaniel is on the
hot seat, and then yesterday he's like, yeah, he's actually
the leader online and in the betting world to be
(10:54):
fired first by the Dolphins, Like oh oh, I thought
I had actual insight there anyway, So they get beat
by the Colts badly to a struggles. Here's Mike McDaniel
summing up the week one lost to the Colts.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
First four weeks is generally wild because people are figuring
out who they are. You know, on paper, who you
think you're going to be, but in actual execution who
you are, and then molding themselves to that. And you
have to continue to get better, you know, I would
say the good news and the positive is I don't
I don't see how it could be worse.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, it it couldn't be worse. It was really bad. Uh.
Then former Jets head coach Rex Ryan had this to
say on ESPN about Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
What the hell is he talking about it? You know,
I maybe he's on a different level MC genius guy.
Whatever the hell he is nerve boy. But anyway, their
teams their their team has no respect for the coach.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Uh Again, I don't know what it's in regards to
I mean, obviously they've had a lot of trouble with
Tyreek Hill, they had trouble with some of those other
guys that they got rid of. I'm sure Jalen Ramsey
was a bit of a handful for him. And what's
interesting about the Mike McDaniel thing is he may he
(12:18):
may be called nerd boy, but the whole thing was
he's got this swag. You know, he's got this coolness
to him, cool gear, cool glasses, cool approach, cool vibe whatever.
Players at that stage in their career, once they're professionals,
especially the older ones, they're attracted to smart. They're smart,
attracted to prepared. They're attracted to somebody with a plan
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for how to win. It might not even be the
style or the city they want to live in, but
they want to win because winning makes everything better. And
right now, he just does not have a great reputation
in the league. He said, very good play color or
smart dude. One of the guys like, but do they
respect him? And here's all one do they fear him anyway?
(13:03):
I think the answer is now, Nerd, boy, did you
see what happened in the Missouri Kansas game?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Or there was just some confusion over a a point
at up extra point and and then the penalties that
were called and a kickoff? I didn't I didn't get
a chance to see it. But was that the was
that the point?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah? That there was actually points taken off the board?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
On a on a big catch and it was it
was kind of painfully obvious. I thought, I don't know,
so that I've dealt with it. I you know, Uh,
the fishing is hard because what do you do when
you complain? Right, There's not a lot you can do.
You just sound like a like a complainer, even when
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your complaints are completely legitimized based upon the video.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Nothing was ever worse than the Central Michigan in your
alma mater, Oklahoma State, though, when they allowed Central Michigan
to have the untimed down on the hailberry when the
game should have ended on fourth down. Nothing will ever
be worse than that.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Nope, Nope, that one was bad one, no question, bad one,
no question. Let's get you to John Middlecoff he's gonna
join us momentarily. You know, we had a topic here
for the second hour of the show on a new
segment Jay Stu has invented, right It's called Tuesday Morning Quarterback,
(14:27):
and I think the idea of it, Dan is topics
that we didn't get to and that most everybody else
didn't get to in the NFL, which I love because
I do feel like we kind of talk about the
same stuff and it's a huge league out there.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I think that the headlines were obviously the Eagles and
Cowboys on Thursday night in that even Charges Chiefs kind
of got lost in the shuffle because it was on
a Friday night, and then that game was so great
on Sunday night that some of the other games ended
up kind of losing their their luster, if you will.
But that's what Tuesday Morning Quarterback is going to bring us,
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Speaker 7 (15:42):
It is a run pass option.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
McCarthy takes off to the right, the test stutter stuff,
sickle five touchdow.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Peace, JJ McCarthy an he runs for a Vikings touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Isn't it interesting? By the way, that's on a k
fan up in the Twin Cities. Isn't it interesting? How
social media just some massively overreaction. Maybe they didn't overreact.
He looked tight, he didn't look comfortable. His start to
the game was the opposite of Caleb Williams and call Billiams.
Wasn't I know? Statistically he was perfect, but an execution
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maybe it wasn't perfect. But still they marched down the
field and get a touchdown. JJ McCarthy looked tight the
entire first half, and he should. It's his first start,
he didn't play last year, and he's taken on the
Chicago Bears in Soldier Field. I think any of us,
even if you played at Michigan one at Ohio State,
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won a national championship, all the things JJ McCarthy has done,
it's very reasonable to be nervous in your pro debut,
but it's the what do you do on can you
stay close? And once you settle in, can you make
some can you make some plays? Let's get to John
mit o'caw three announced the podcast. Of course you hear
him on the Ball podcast Network. John, let's start with
(17:04):
JJ McCarthy. What's your reaction to his fourth quarter turnaround
from it otherwise very rookie like performance.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Yeah, you know, I was thinking about it this morning.
I think sometimes we overrate and you know you're a
college coach now, that impact it has on young people.
You know, most human beings like Navy seals, aren't born
that way. You know that there's your Your mental toughness
is grown early in life and pushed by coaches or
bosses or leaders or whatever and you know, I think
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one reason that a lot of people really liked him. Obviously,
you know, he's got a good arm, he can move,
but he got coached pretty hard by Jim Harbaugh and
in that organization. I think that really showed last night,
the mental toughness, because I don't think there was a
human including Kevin O'Connell, that wasn't thinking at halftime like
we might because their teams so good, you know, and
I I think sometimes when you get drafted, we say
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this all the time, like it's way better to go
to a good team, well in theory, but they also
will get rid of you in a moment's notice if
you're not good. Anthony Richardson benched immediately, Trey lamp thrown
to the you know, Wolves before he even played like
four or five games, Like you don't get a long
landing spot like let's say Bryce Young. So it was
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going to be intense on this kid because the team
has such high expect and then one fourteen game last
year and you could argue they're improved this year, you know,
in terms of their roster. So mental toughness, man, I
was blown away because he wasn't really asked the dude
play like that with the way Kevin O'Connell plays in college.
So they werelied on his arm. They were obviously down
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and it was got You gotta give a guy a
lot of credit you do.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
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the Bills. How do you view the Ravens that forgiving
up they come back?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Well, I would say before the last five minutes of
the game, when they were up like forty to twenty five,
they were clearly the best team in the league. I mean,
you could argue over the last four or five years,
beside the Chiefs, no team's been more consistent winning games,
star quarterback. You had Henry his Hall of Fame running back.
Their defense just cycled through new high level players. Listen,
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if you told me there was the seven game series,
this was basketball, I would give the Bills no chance.
But the reality is is football. These are one game situations.
I didn't think the Bills were the better team in
the playoffs. They didn't think the Bills were the better
team that night. But when you got Josh Allen. It's
you know, it's like having like nikolea Jokich or Steph
Curry in your team. You're just never out of it,
regardless who's playing around him. So he can put on
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a superman cape. I still think the Bills look small
on the same field as the Ravens now. Granted they
had dB you know, injuries, but I think they're linebackers
relative to some of the other teams in the league.
Just they just feels small. But Josh does not. And
guy's a monster.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
He is a monster. Still got the show here on
Fox Sports here that that's Shall metalcoll three nowns the
podcast Forborough College and NFL Scout, and he's joined us. Uh,
how did Rogers look? I've just seen the highlights Rollingders right,
look good. Others I've said, I've heard and read where
he looked like an old man. But what do you think?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of similarities to
last year. I mean, his arm's gonna be good. You
and I have talked about this forever. You know, if
Larry Bird's back still works, he can shoot a three
point shot. You know, it's like his arm's never going
to be the problem. But he doesn't move around anymore.
He's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at forty years old,
where they were not moving anywhere. You know, he can
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still subtly get to the like outside the tackle box,
but his days of being a quote unquote playmaker, I
mean are just done. So they're gonna be very dependent.
They couldn't really run the ball. I like Caleb Johnson
and Iowa running back coming out of college, but that
has not been that's been a disaster. So Jalen Warren
is not you know, Le'Veon Bell or Jerome vettis. I
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do think they got to think about you know, we'll
see if the Saints fall apart or one of these
teams like trading for a legit running back because they've
invested a lot. I mean, the defense was atrocious in theory,
you would think they would improve a lot. So I
wouldn't write their defense off yet. But I think offensively
they can't get in positions where they got to play
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like let's say the Cincinnati Bengals, because I don't think
you'd be comfortable with Rogers thrown at forty forty five
plus times a game as the season goes on it
gets colder, especially in that division. So to me, the
running game, I mean that's a huge part when you
think the Pittsburgh Steelers historically like running the football, and
for whatever reason they just can't find like a belkout
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running back.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No, they cannot where the Packers is that good or
the Lion is that bad?
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Yeah, obviously on Sunday, the Packers were that good the
Lions were that bad. I do think that that was
a huge game for the Packers, right, you just get Micah.
You were terrible last year in the division. You lost
the Lions multiple times. Obviously they beat him in Green
Bay if I remember correctly that. I think that might
have been a time when some of the Lions were
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starting to get injured. Timeline could be a little off there,
but that was a big, big game for Green Bay.
Like this week, I like the Lions a lot at
home against the Bears, Like that's a touch spot for
Caleb and Ben Johnson to try to get their first wins.
So I think that Dan Campbell now their days of
being a fifteen win team new coordinators probably over. But
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are they gonna go from like fifteen wins to seven?
I'd be pretty shocked. I still think nine to ten wins,
they're gonna be competing for a wildcard spot. But I
think it's pretty clear. You know, the Ravens, the Bills,
you know, I sa Herbert looked pretty darn good. We'll
see if they are good enough as a total team
to be at that highest level. But the Packers and
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the Eagles, I mean, are kind of a step above
everyone right now.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They're that's that's fast. Well, I mean, like, look, Eagles.
I thought the Cowboys looked goods to night. That might've
been my biggest surprise of the weekend was how the Cowboys,
we had no expectations of, probably should have won or
at least pushed that game close to overtime.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
Well, I think it'deople more critical of the Cowboys, like
I can't you can't pay Dak sixty million. But no one, actually,
I mean no one on the brain thinks the Dak
like relatives like Caleb Williams, like Dak is a top
tennish twelve ish quarterback. And when CD's going, you have Pickens.
The problem is this is the Cowboys thing, right Listen,
drops happened. You know, Torellos didn't have great hands. Not
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that everyone catches everything, obviously, CD it feels like catches
that ninety percent of the time. But the George Pickens
thing is he was available for red and he gets
an awful penalty. There's obviously some clips to him not blocking,
so it's like there's a reason this exceptional talent is
available and he made some plays in that game. But offensively, like,
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they definitely got some pieces. I mean, they've invested a
ton in the offensive line. Ferguson's a good tight end.
They extended like offensively, they this is not gonna be
the Miami Dolphon is just going to be. Defensively, can
they hold up? I also think we got to be
careful to these divisional games. You know, Dak and the
Cowboys players aren't intimidated by the Eagles, right, the Chargers
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was a fat like they hadn't beat the Chiefs like
seven straight times. They're not intimidated by the Chiefs. So,
and those teams are talented teams. I'm even talking like
the bottom feeders. You're just comfortable with playing your divisional
opponent because you see them so often. So I think
sometimes we can overreact a little bit to some of
the divisional matchups and the outcomes.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I got a show here on Fox Sports Radio. John
Middlcoff is our guest. Hey, John, I'm just wondering. You know,
I was really disappointed by New England and like, I
get that you got Geno, He's done it forever. I
love Pete Carroll going in against a club that he
used to coach, But what the heck happened to Drake
(25:10):
made this was? Were my expectations too high? Is too
soon the season? Because they weren't really in that game ever?
Speaker 8 (25:18):
No, I thought I thought Drake May was extremely disappointing.
And I know his stats like look better than Caleb,
but I thought it was pretty similar, like did not
pass the itest. And I'm guilty of this. I just assume,
you know, when he's not a head coach, he's making
your offensive coordinator, Josh mc McDaniel is a fantastic offensive coordinator.
But a lot of people push back and go, well, yeah,
(25:40):
when he's got Tom Brady removed Tom Brady, we'll see
and it's like, you know, maybe his stuff is too
complicated for quarterbacks. You know, I don't know. I mean,
it's easy to make money and invest when you've got
Warren Buffett giving you advice. When that guy's gone, it's
just me and you, it's a little more difficult. So
it's like it's Josh, you know one, you know, one
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hit wonder. He can work with Tom and no one else.
Now they don't have the most talent. But man, now,
in fairness to defend the Rapers, you go, well, the
Raiders have the best player on the field Max Crosby.
They got the second best player in the field in
brock Bowers. Geno Smith is just objectively today a much
better player than straight May. We all like and respect Rabel,
(26:23):
but Pize accomplished way more so. I think maybe we underestimated,
especially in that matchup the Raiders. But you know, listen,
I like gambling on West Coast teams that go east
taking the East Coast team, like the Rams playing the Titans,
like those long trips, those early ten am kickoffs not
just hard on the body, but you know, whether it's
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early in the years that humidity in some of these
places or late in the year of the cold, that
should be a huge advantage for the home team on
the East Coast. So that's you know, and part of
Rabel Steel is like mental toughness, and they just looked.
I mean, let's be real that they look like the
girod male Patriots.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, they really really did Miami. Now, I had
heard last year that there was they the issues they
had with kind of a select number of guys. Some
of them are gone. I think Tyreek Hill is among
that select number of guys who not really bought into team.
(27:21):
McDaniel's like one of the guys that, you know, offensive genius.
I think we can go around and around and talk
about his team and what they don't have. But isn't
it just Tua. Isn't you has to have rhythm, has
to get out of it quickly. If not, he's relatively ineffective.
And that's really what's at work. There is there something
else I'm missing with the Dolphins.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
Yeah, I think there's truth to that now. And Toua
was terrible. Like if he's gonna play bad or not
play that, they got no shot, right, They're not well
built enough teams. I also think in football, right, your
personality who you are, the longer you're out of place
really comes out right. Even Kevin O'Connell like he's a creative,
(28:03):
he's a quarterback, but having Flores them now for a
couple of years adds the toughness to their team. You
watch Miami, you go, well, this guy's a creative, intellectual
football genius, right Mike mcganne, And people with a fortunite
will say that, like he's really really right, but he's
not a tough guy and he can't mistake being Dan
Campbell or the Harmball Brothers. Like your personality, your personality,
(28:25):
but it's like their defensive coordinator. They hired fans Yo
and then he leaves. He's like, I'm out of here.
So to me, they got like a culture. They don't
respect Mike as a tough guy, really as a leader,
because when you start coming in late now, you could
just say it was Jalen Ramsey, you know, the two
of things. Classic He rips everybody and they're like, I'll
come back, and it's like, that's not what a well
(28:47):
run operation. He's not, at this point in time good
enough and important enough to not just like they should
have punted this offseason. I honestly think they're kind of
stuck unless someone can get him for nothing. I think
his value is extreme. He feels like your classic older
NBA player. It's really really famous. But like if you
(29:07):
just ask around the league, Yeah, I wouldn't want that
guy in my team. And I think that's kind of
the vibe he's got going on right now. Yeah, this
isn't some This isn't something like von Miller, where other
teams wanted him when he was in Denver even though
he was old. I think he's kind of untouchable for
a lot of the because the good teams, the good
teams are the only ones interested, right, and I think
(29:28):
like eighty percent of them would be out before it even.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Came up, right, Well, mean now you have the more
allegations of domestic abuse.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Yeah, and I was told before because it comes up
a lot. They again thinks can change injuries, Like the
Chiefs would never go back down that road. And we
know Andy, he's pretty open minded. Like, this isn't some
like stiff guy in his beliefs.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I get it. Okay, what about the Chiefs though, now
Xavier Worthy separated shoulder, you don't have that. That's your
top two wide receivers and they just there wasn't a
lot of juice there. Can that be fixed?
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Well, I mean they've used now the last couple of years,
their first round pick and their second round pick on
two wide receivers. But even if the guys don't become
Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, if you get two number
twos with Right and Worthy, they would look dramatically different. Well,
the Rice is a moron, get suspended right for the
Lamborghini incident, and then you get Worthy. He gets hurt
on the third play of the game, and the elephant
(30:28):
in the room is And it's not like the Chiefs
don't know this, and even Travis knows it. He's not
the same player. So it's like five years ago, Travis
would have been, Okay, I'll bail us out. I'll get
us twelve catches. I mean those remember some of those,
Like I think it was a Thursday night game when
Travis and Tyreek just went nuts against the Chargers and
brought him back on this crazy comeback, and Travis was,
(30:48):
you know, like the Tyreek version of a tight end.
He was unstoppable, he was so fast. Well, Derwin James,
I mean just dominated. I mean even the Travis touchdowns
that wasn't Travis, that was Andy Reid, like the fake
block getting them out and he's wide open walks in
the zone, but just when he just got to go
one on one with a good player, he can't really
get open. So you're missing your first round pick, you're
(31:09):
missing the second round pick. Two wide receivers who are
who's just good and unique players, and then Travis's He's
just no longer an elite player. It's just hard to
overcome with a coach and a quarterback that, let's face it,
want to call pass this. You know this kind of
a problem.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Crazy how quickly it happens. Min Coffee the best Man.
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Speaker 7 (32:18):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
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can always stream us on the iHeartRadio app. Listening to
the audio and then the highlights you can see right
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Fox Sports Radio. If that's a tease the game today
is that's a tease? Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
If I don't hold on, do you know something I
don't know?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I don't know? Maybe maybe on.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Doug ranked the three best teams in the nf foul
after Week one of the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
We all know who's number one, right.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
The Packers, all the Chargers, Packers wasn't sure what.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Let's go Chargers three, Packers two and yeah, I'll still go.
Eagles one. You know, didn't have Jaalen Carter won the game.
They weren't great, but they find a way to win.
So they're defending champs. They want to know Chargers, Packers
and then the number one team right now, in the
NFL is the pilled up Eagles.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Somebody is sitting at home right now. They missed the
Bears Vikings game and they're rewatching it on NFL Network
and says man Caleb Williams has just completed his first
ten passes. He's ten of eleven. This is a different
this is a different guy. Different guy, different guy. Then
just wait, yeah, just wait. They're also say J. J.
(33:59):
McCarthy is not the answer. Just wait. Doug ranked the
top three players that stood out in Week one. Oh
good or bad?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Ooh oh? Justin Herbert at three. Let's see here. I'm
gonna give him credit. I thought Justin Field's look good. Yeah,
Justin Field's a lot better, played a lot better than
I I think I've ever seen him play in the
(34:29):
NFL with Justin Fields. And then I think too, I mean,
Tua's performance was bad, and I think it's exposed him.
And it's funny. What John Mittlkoff said last segment is
what I said last year. I think they're stuck. They're
latched down to a quarterback that is just people have
figured out and isn't good enough, you know, and you
can say, well, like that system is not quarterback depending Like, yeah,
(34:51):
it's specifically dependent upon a guy who has to get
rid of it quick, make that first second read, and
they're taking that away and he does not have the
ability of improvise.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
All right, Doug, rink your top three teams in college football?
Now the ap pole was the same as it was
from the week prior. But who are your top three
teams in the college game.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'll go LSU at three, Georgia at two, in Ohio
State at one.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
All right, moving on to the next question.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Really impressive. It is not an anti organ because they
hit the crap out of my alma mater. Who wee impressive?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Sixty nine to three.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
That was bad.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
On a side note, because of Sam's Christmas gifts that
I got him last year? Did you move the Syhawk
Trophy at all?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Is it like because I was not in possession of it,
do you end up moving it in a certain spot
or how do you handle that decor in your household?
Speaker 10 (35:51):
I put it away, out of sight, out of mind.
I don't get I don't deserve to look at it. Okay,
that's three out of the last four years. That's two
in a row that Iowa has seeded the Syhawk Trophy
to the Cyclones.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Man, why do I deserve to look at it? Yes,
but it as to stay in the dark.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Why they went they just have any sort of offensive attack,
Like why you would just think, like just go get
a quarterback, like anybody you got, you couldn't be any worse.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's a wide receiver
problem for breaking down Iowa tape right now. I think
they need some some dudes to catch the ball. They
had a lot of injuries during that game too. Do
you think that they thought they were bringing in a
Gronkowski and it was a Granowski and they just like, yeah,
that's possible, Or how about a Gradkowski? Yes, maybe that
was thought they were bringing a Bruce Gradkowski, but you
got a Gronowski.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yes, maybe that was the problem. All right, rank your
top three souvenirs from a sporting event. I think this
is apropos not only from Philly's Karen, but also I
saw like the NFL say like, man Justin Jefferson taking
care of this fan. I think Justin Jefferson just didn't
want to carry a top ten chain and medallion around
from ESPN. But cool souvenir for the fan to rink
(36:59):
your top three souvenirs from any sporting events, I'd.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Say baseball bat at three, basketball sneakers you know sometimes yeah,
the players got basketball sneakers at two. And baseball catching,
actually catching a baseball a game is number one. Now
I will point out that, you know, the NFL still
has a policy you get fined for throwing a game,
throwing a ball into the stands and you know when
(37:25):
they kick it. But back when the Rams used to
play at the Big A J. Stew there's a group
that was I think a national group called take Down
the Nets, and they tried to propose to the NFL
to take down the nets let an NFL fan walk
away with the football. It obviously was like thirty five
years ago and nothing ever happened to it. So maybe
(37:47):
they didn't make their please loud enough.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And that's game time.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Game.
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We got one week of NFL games in the books,
and it culminated with I thought it was a good watch,
interesting game last night Soldier Field, where yeah, the inner
(00:47):
Green Bay resident in me wants to say, well, the
Bears still suck, right, But there's a lot more to
it than that. I think. Here's the part that here's
the part that I know as a coach, I believed
(01:09):
I knew beforehand, but it became even more apparent as
time went on, and it was apparent watching Ben Johnson,
who I thought had his team ready, had him seem prepped,
you know, so like part of the big part of coaching,
(01:31):
you know, is one you gotta have not just the
right system, but the right talent for the right system.
Sometimes that takes a little bit of time. Two you
gotta have a great plan, and three you gotta have
the players prepared prepared for what the other team plans,
so they can counterattack or counter whatever they're trying to
do right count whatever they try to do. So I
(01:59):
thought Ben Johnson's team was well prepared. I thought they
were pretty focused. Defense got him a tuddy offense, could
you know, solid first drive with a couple of plays
where they broke off of script, and despite the fact
their offense had gone meh for basically two and a
half other quarters, they were still in pole position, prime
(02:20):
position to win a game. That's when the Vikings woke up.
They're essentially rookie quarterback JJ McCarthy started gaining confidence and
make plays. And that's also when you know Flores kind
of cranked up the pressure on the Bears, and the
Bears sort of wilted under that pressure. They did score
a touchdown late, did have a chance to either kick
(02:41):
an on sidekick or get the football back if they
kicked it out of bounds. They did neither, and the
game expires and they lose the game without much of
an opportunity to get the football back with just one
timeout and the two minute warning having expired on the kickoff.
But people ask all the time, like, what did you learn? Well,
(03:02):
I don't know if I learned it or I already
knew it. But the hardest thing to do in coaching
is teaching a team how to win, right, Because you
can take them to the water, but man, you just
can't make them drink. You can open up their mouth,
pour it in, close their mouth, but they don't always
(03:22):
swallow and actually drink that water. And when you come
into organizations which are used to winning and what's used
to losing those games, it's really hard to turn around
that the narrative. That's honestly what Jim Harbaugh does best, right,
It's what Jim Harbaugh does best. He finds a way
(03:46):
to create a culture where winning is expected, and even
with guys that haven't necessarily done it yet or done
it before, they do it at the NFL level. And
I'm watching last night with the Bears, and from I
mean Caleb Williams, you can't have a grounding penalty there
(04:08):
if you don't have a grounding penalty, if you just
throw the ball away, or even if you eat the
football going down, you're in better field goal range. You
don't miss the field goal, and the Vikings never come
back and take a lead. So, yeah, Caleb Williams missed
some throws. Caleb Williams looked overwhelmed against against some of
(04:30):
the pressure late Caleb Williams does It does look like
it takes a while to load up and get rid
of that football. And he's not exceptionally big. There's some
things he does really really well. But Caleb Williams is
he's more the symptom than the problem, and the symptom
is it's a symptom of the greater thing, which is
(04:52):
the Bears don't know how to win those games and
the Vikings do. And you could even say that's what
JJ McCarthy does, right, I wouldn't combined his college record,
his pro record when he's at Michigan. Really well, coached,
great team, win a national championship, all that's good. But
I mean it's a different sport at different level. But
there is a part to me that says, you know,
(05:15):
there's a reason this guy is thirty eight and one
is now thirty nine. Starts winners win. They just find
a way. And last night the Vikings found away. Last
night the Bears did not. That's really as kind of
simple as as you can put it. Last night the
Vikings found away and the Bears did not. And because
(05:35):
of it, you know, we're left with Okay, So is
JJ McCarthy out good when he was bad the first
three quarters? Is call Williams bad when he was good
in the first quarter. I don't know. But my takeaway
from last night is that Ben Johnson, his first game
as the head coach, had his team mentally and physically
(05:55):
prepared and in the right head space. And they play
and they play really well in the first half in
some stretches, especially the defensive side the football. But it
fell apart late because he has not yet figured out
or they have not yet been able to understand how
they need to learn how to win, because they do not.
(06:15):
They do not. This is JJ McCarthy, who's the quarterback
obviously the Vikings talking about adversity that we.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Gotta believe, you know, that's one thing that we can
do is control the controllables in our belief.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And you know, going out there and executing.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
That next play. And you know, it's as simple as that.
We got a great group and everyone was on the
same page with that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Gotta believe, you know, you gotta find guys that buy in.
You gotta find the right fit. Here's Kevin O'Connell, head
coach of the Viking. He's talking about JJ's JJ's night.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
It's not always going to be pretty when you're trying
to bring along a young quarterback. You just got to
keep playing and you got to allow, you know, him
to grow. There was a lot of just things we
can improve on and we will be great to be
home for a couple of weeks. All in all, I'm
very proud of our team, very proud of our staff,
and just that figured out in this and find a
way is something that will be a redeeming quality as
(07:06):
we continue to press on. Where JJ McCarthy. For him
to make some of the plays he did, I told
him at halftime, you are going to bring us back
to win this game, and the look in his eye
was fantastic. And the best thing is just a belief
I felt from the team, the unit, and ultimately that
doesn't get done without him In the second half, two
passing touchdowns and then the critical rushing touchdown.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Here's Calla Williams summoning up their loss.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
That mentality is something that we have, something that we
you know, that we preach, and that didn't happen today.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And and I'm not it's not.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
A play call thing.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
It's not anything like that. It's just being able to
go out there and execute the players that are called
and be able to you know, execut him at a
high level. And that's something that that we take pride in.
And you know, today that didn't happen, and we're going
to get back to it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Gonna gonna get back to it. Got to get back
to trying to win, trying to win games. Yeah, well,
I just think Kevin O'Connell's outright belief and the ability
to get guys to believe, and you have a team
that has won some Here's Peyton and Eli on the
Manning cast talking about why you kick off out of
bounds before the two minute warning. But by the way,
(08:16):
I thought everybody knew.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You're thinking that maybe Chicio should just kick the ball
out of bounds, kick it out of bounds, fort and
take the penalty, take the penalty.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
It's on the forty. You always love that.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
And now you still got the time time out and
the two minute over.
Speaker 6 (08:34):
You say, yeah, you get to take any time, get
a time out out of bound, but you get to
stop in the inZone.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Right you get the ball with a minute and ten
seconds left. Yes, yes, it was I think actually fifty
eight seconds what they would go. Here's Ben Johnson talking
about Cairo Santos kicking it into the end zone instead
of kicking it out of bounds. The intent was for
the ball to go out of the end zone, was there?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Do you guys consider? Yeah? It did.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
We felt like if we'd have kicked it out of
the end zone and gotten the three and out that
we got, we would get the ball back with around
fifty six seconds.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
There you go, There you go. So I again the
question is the question you have to ask is what
specifically did he say to Cayro Santos. Did he say
kick it out of bounds or kick it to where
they can't return it. It has to be a touchback
(09:26):
right again, Like you sit there and go like, wait,
Cayro Santos is not a rookie kicker. I understand kicking
rules had changed, and obviously Cayro Santos either didn't know.
I mean he can kick it the ball out about
it and if you can't kick it out of the
back of the end zone, then kick it out of
the sideline where they get the forty. But those are
just the little things. Does it mean the Bears would
have won the game?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Does it mean they absolute would have gotten the ball back? No,
but you in order to put yourself in position where
you get every opportunity to win, you have to kick
the ball at a bouncer, and they did not.
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Speaker 2 (10:33):
I was not corrected, but I was not necessarily affirmed
by Dan Byer the way I thought I would be
because I thought I had this great take that, hey,
Mike McDaniels is on the Mike McDaniel is on the
hot seat, and then yesterday he's like, yeah, he's actually
the leader online and in the betting world to be
(10:54):
fired first by the Dolphins, Like oh oh, I thought
I had actual insight there anyway, So they get beat
by the Colts badly to a struggles. Here's Mike McDaniel
summing up the week one lost to the Colts.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
First four weeks is generally wild because people are figuring
out who they are. You know, on paper, who you
think you're going to be, but in actual execution who
you are, and then molding themselves to that. And you
have to continue to get better, you know, I would
say the good news and the positive is I don't
I don't see how it could be worse.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, it it couldn't be worse. It was really bad. Uh.
Then former Jets head coach Rex Ryan had this to
say on ESPN about Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
What the hell is he talking about it? You know,
I maybe he's on a different level MC genius guy.
Whatever the hell he is nerve boy. But anyway, their
teams their their team has no respect for the coach.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Uh Again, I don't know what it's in regards to
I mean, obviously they've had a lot of trouble with
Tyreek Hill, they had trouble with some of those other
guys that they got rid of. I'm sure Jalen Ramsey
was a bit of a handful for him. And what's
interesting about the Mike McDaniel thing is he may he
(12:18):
may be called nerd boy, but the whole thing was
he's got this swag. You know, he's got this coolness
to him, cool gear, cool glasses, cool approach, cool vibe whatever.
Players at that stage in their career, once they're professionals,
especially the older ones, they're attracted to smart. They're smart,
attracted to prepared. They're attracted to somebody with a plan
(12:40):
for how to win. It might not even be the
style or the city they want to live in, but
they want to win because winning makes everything better. And
right now, he just does not have a great reputation
in the league. He said, very good play color or
smart dude. One of the guys like, but do they
respect him? And here's all one do they fear him anyway?
(13:03):
I think the answer is now, Nerd, boy, did you
see what happened in the Missouri Kansas game?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Or there was just some confusion over a a point
at up extra point and and then the penalties that
were called and a kickoff? I didn't I didn't get
a chance to see it. But was that the was
that the point?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah? That there was actually points taken off the board?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:27):
On a on a big catch and it was it
was kind of painfully obvious. I thought, I don't know,
so that I've dealt with it. I you know, Uh,
the fishing is hard because what do you do when
you complain? Right, There's not a lot you can do.
You just sound like a like a complainer, even when
(13:47):
your complaints are completely legitimized based upon the video.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Nothing was ever worse than the Central Michigan in your
alma mater, Oklahoma State, though, when they allowed Central Michigan
to have the untimed down on the hailberry when the
game should have ended on fourth down. Nothing will ever
be worse than that.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Nope, Nope, that one was bad one, no question, bad one,
no question. Let's get you to John Middlecoff he's gonna
join us momentarily. You know, we had a topic here
for the second hour of the show on a new
segment Jay Stu has invented, right It's called Tuesday Morning Quarterback,
(14:27):
and I think the idea of it, Dan is topics
that we didn't get to and that most everybody else
didn't get to in the NFL, which I love because
I do feel like we kind of talk about the
same stuff and it's a huge league out there.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I think that the headlines were obviously the Eagles and
Cowboys on Thursday night in that even Charges Chiefs kind
of got lost in the shuffle because it was on
a Friday night, and then that game was so great
on Sunday night that some of the other games ended
up kind of losing their their luster, if you will.
But that's what Tuesday Morning Quarterback is going to bring us,
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It is a run pass option.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
McCarthy takes off to the right, the test stutter stuff,
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Speaker 4 (15:53):
Peace, JJ McCarthy an he runs for a Vikings touchdown.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Isn't it interesting? By the way, that's on a k
fan up in the Twin Cities. Isn't it interesting? How
social media just some massively overreaction. Maybe they didn't overreact.
He looked tight, he didn't look comfortable. His start to
the game was the opposite of Caleb Williams and call Billiams.
Wasn't I know? Statistically he was perfect, but an execution
(16:21):
maybe it wasn't perfect. But still they marched down the
field and get a touchdown. JJ McCarthy looked tight the
entire first half, and he should. It's his first start,
he didn't play last year, and he's taken on the
Chicago Bears in Soldier Field. I think any of us,
even if you played at Michigan one at Ohio State,
(16:42):
won a national championship, all the things JJ McCarthy has done,
it's very reasonable to be nervous in your pro debut,
but it's the what do you do on can you
stay close? And once you settle in, can you make
some can you make some plays? Let's get to John
mit o'caw three announced the podcast. Of course you hear
him on the Ball podcast Network. John, let's start with
(17:04):
JJ McCarthy. What's your reaction to his fourth quarter turnaround
from it otherwise very rookie like performance.
Speaker 8 (17:12):
Yeah, you know, I was thinking about it this morning.
I think sometimes we overrate and you know you're a
college coach now, that impact it has on young people.
You know, most human beings like Navy seals, aren't born
that way. You know that there's your Your mental toughness
is grown early in life and pushed by coaches or
bosses or leaders or whatever and you know, I think
(17:34):
one reason that a lot of people really liked him. Obviously,
you know, he's got a good arm, he can move,
but he got coached pretty hard by Jim Harbaugh and
in that organization. I think that really showed last night,
the mental toughness, because I don't think there was a
human including Kevin O'Connell, that wasn't thinking at halftime like
we might because their teams so good, you know, and
I I think sometimes when you get drafted, we say
(17:57):
this all the time, like it's way better to go
to a good team, well in theory, but they also
will get rid of you in a moment's notice if
you're not good. Anthony Richardson benched immediately, Trey lamp thrown
to the you know, Wolves before he even played like
four or five games, Like you don't get a long
landing spot like let's say Bryce Young. So it was
(18:19):
going to be intense on this kid because the team
has such high expect and then one fourteen game last
year and you could argue they're improved this year, you know,
in terms of their roster. So mental toughness, man, I
was blown away because he wasn't really asked the dude
play like that with the way Kevin O'Connell plays in college.
So they werelied on his arm. They were obviously down
(18:41):
and it was got You gotta give a guy a
lot of credit you do.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. You listened to Fox
Supports Radio. That's the voice of Job and o'coffee has
a three and out football based podcast, The Comeback by
the Bills. How do you view the Ravens that forgiving
up they come back?
Speaker 8 (19:03):
Well, I would say before the last five minutes of
the game, when they were up like forty to twenty five,
they were clearly the best team in the league. I mean,
you could argue over the last four or five years,
beside the Chiefs, no team's been more consistent winning games,
star quarterback. You had Henry his Hall of Fame running back.
Their defense just cycled through new high level players. Listen,
(19:26):
if you told me there was the seven game series,
this was basketball, I would give the Bills no chance.
But the reality is is football. These are one game situations.
I didn't think the Bills were the better team in
the playoffs. They didn't think the Bills were the better
team that night. But when you got Josh Allen. It's
you know, it's like having like nikolea Jokich or Steph
Curry in your team. You're just never out of it,
regardless who's playing around him. So he can put on
(19:49):
a superman cape. I still think the Bills look small
on the same field as the Ravens now. Granted they
had dB you know, injuries, but I think they're linebackers
relative to some of the other teams in the league.
Just they just feels small. But Josh does not. And
guy's a monster.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
He is a monster. Still got the show here on
Fox Sports here that that's Shall metalcoll three nowns the
podcast Forborough College and NFL Scout, and he's joined us. Uh,
how did Rogers look? I've just seen the highlights Rollingders right,
look good. Others I've said, I've heard and read where
he looked like an old man. But what do you think?
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of similarities to
last year. I mean, his arm's gonna be good. You
and I have talked about this forever. You know, if
Larry Bird's back still works, he can shoot a three
point shot. You know, it's like his arm's never going
to be the problem. But he doesn't move around anymore.
He's not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady at forty years old,
where they were not moving anywhere. You know, he can
(20:48):
still subtly get to the like outside the tackle box,
but his days of being a quote unquote playmaker, I
mean are just done. So they're gonna be very dependent.
They couldn't really run the ball. I like Caleb Johnson
and Iowa running back coming out of college, but that
has not been that's been a disaster. So Jalen Warren
is not you know, Le'Veon Bell or Jerome vettis. I
(21:11):
do think they got to think about you know, we'll
see if the Saints fall apart or one of these
teams like trading for a legit running back because they've
invested a lot. I mean, the defense was atrocious in theory,
you would think they would improve a lot. So I
wouldn't write their defense off yet. But I think offensively
they can't get in positions where they got to play
(21:31):
like let's say the Cincinnati Bengals, because I don't think
you'd be comfortable with Rogers thrown at forty forty five
plus times a game as the season goes on it
gets colder, especially in that division. So to me, the
running game, I mean that's a huge part when you
think the Pittsburgh Steelers historically like running the football, and
for whatever reason they just can't find like a belkout
(21:54):
running back.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
No, they cannot where the Packers is that good or
the Lion is that bad?
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Yeah, obviously on Sunday, the Packers were that good the
Lions were that bad. I do think that that was
a huge game for the Packers, right, you just get Micah.
You were terrible last year in the division. You lost
the Lions multiple times. Obviously they beat him in Green
Bay if I remember correctly that. I think that might
have been a time when some of the Lions were
(22:23):
starting to get injured. Timeline could be a little off there,
but that was a big, big game for Green Bay.
Like this week, I like the Lions a lot at
home against the Bears, Like that's a touch spot for
Caleb and Ben Johnson to try to get their first wins.
So I think that Dan Campbell now their days of
being a fifteen win team new coordinators probably over. But
(22:45):
are they gonna go from like fifteen wins to seven?
I'd be pretty shocked. I still think nine to ten wins,
they're gonna be competing for a wildcard spot. But I
think it's pretty clear. You know, the Ravens, the Bills,
you know, I sa Herbert looked pretty darn good. We'll
see if they are good enough as a total team
to be at that highest level. But the Packers and
(23:07):
the Eagles, I mean, are kind of a step above
everyone right now.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They're that's that's fast. Well, I mean, like, look, Eagles.
I thought the Cowboys looked goods to night. That might've
been my biggest surprise of the weekend was how the Cowboys,
we had no expectations of, probably should have won or
at least pushed that game close to overtime.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
Well, I think it'deople more critical of the Cowboys, like
I can't you can't pay Dak sixty million. But no one, actually,
I mean no one on the brain thinks the Dak
like relatives like Caleb Williams, like Dak is a top
tennish twelve ish quarterback. And when CD's going, you have Pickens.
The problem is this is the Cowboys thing, right Listen,
drops happened. You know, Torellos didn't have great hands. Not
(23:51):
that everyone catches everything, obviously, CD it feels like catches
that ninety percent of the time. But the George Pickens
thing is he was available for red and he gets
an awful penalty. There's obviously some clips to him not blocking,
so it's like there's a reason this exceptional talent is
available and he made some plays in that game. But offensively, like,
(24:12):
they definitely got some pieces. I mean, they've invested a
ton in the offensive line. Ferguson's a good tight end.
They extended like offensively, they this is not gonna be
the Miami Dolphon is just going to be. Defensively, can
they hold up? I also think we got to be
careful to these divisional games. You know, Dak and the
Cowboys players aren't intimidated by the Eagles, right, the Chargers
(24:32):
was a fat like they hadn't beat the Chiefs like
seven straight times. They're not intimidated by the Chiefs. So,
and those teams are talented teams. I'm even talking like
the bottom feeders. You're just comfortable with playing your divisional
opponent because you see them so often. So I think
sometimes we can overreact a little bit to some of
the divisional matchups and the outcomes.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I got a show here on Fox Sports Radio. John
Middlcoff is our guest. Hey, John, I'm just wondering. You know,
I was really disappointed by New England and like, I
get that you got Geno, He's done it forever. I
love Pete Carroll going in against a club that he
used to coach, But what the heck happened to Drake
(25:10):
made this was? Were my expectations too high? Is too
soon the season? Because they weren't really in that game ever?
Speaker 8 (25:18):
No, I thought I thought Drake May was extremely disappointing.
And I know his stats like look better than Caleb,
but I thought it was pretty similar, like did not
pass the itest. And I'm guilty of this. I just assume,
you know, when he's not a head coach, he's making
your offensive coordinator, Josh mc McDaniel is a fantastic offensive coordinator.
But a lot of people push back and go, well, yeah,
(25:40):
when he's got Tom Brady removed Tom Brady, we'll see
and it's like, you know, maybe his stuff is too
complicated for quarterbacks. You know, I don't know. I mean,
it's easy to make money and invest when you've got
Warren Buffett giving you advice. When that guy's gone, it's
just me and you, it's a little more difficult. So
it's like it's Josh, you know one, you know, one
(26:00):
hit wonder. He can work with Tom and no one else.
Now they don't have the most talent. But man, now,
in fairness to defend the Rapers, you go, well, the
Raiders have the best player on the field Max Crosby.
They got the second best player in the field in
brock Bowers. Geno Smith is just objectively today a much
better player than straight May. We all like and respect Rabel,
(26:23):
but Pize accomplished way more so. I think maybe we underestimated,
especially in that matchup the Raiders. But you know, listen,
I like gambling on West Coast teams that go east
taking the East Coast team, like the Rams playing the Titans,
like those long trips, those early ten am kickoffs not
just hard on the body, but you know, whether it's
(26:44):
early in the years that humidity in some of these
places or late in the year of the cold, that
should be a huge advantage for the home team on
the East Coast. So that's you know, and part of
Rabel Steel is like mental toughness, and they just looked.
I mean, let's be real that they look like the
girod male Patriots.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, they really really did Miami. Now, I had
heard last year that there was they the issues they
had with kind of a select number of guys. Some
of them are gone. I think Tyreek Hill is among
that select number of guys who not really bought into team.
(27:21):
McDaniel's like one of the guys that, you know, offensive genius.
I think we can go around and around and talk
about his team and what they don't have. But isn't
it just Tua. Isn't you has to have rhythm, has
to get out of it quickly. If not, he's relatively ineffective.
And that's really what's at work. There is there something
else I'm missing with the Dolphins.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
Yeah, I think there's truth to that now. And Toua
was terrible. Like if he's gonna play bad or not
play that, they got no shot, right, They're not well
built enough teams. I also think in football, right, your
personality who you are, the longer you're out of place
really comes out right. Even Kevin O'Connell like he's a creative,
(28:03):
he's a quarterback, but having Flores them now for a
couple of years adds the toughness to their team. You
watch Miami, you go, well, this guy's a creative, intellectual
football genius, right Mike mcganne, And people with a fortunite
will say that, like he's really really right, but he's
not a tough guy and he can't mistake being Dan
Campbell or the Harmball Brothers. Like your personality, your personality,
(28:25):
but it's like their defensive coordinator. They hired fans Yo
and then he leaves. He's like, I'm out of here.
So to me, they got like a culture. They don't
respect Mike as a tough guy, really as a leader,
because when you start coming in late now, you could
just say it was Jalen Ramsey, you know, the two
of things. Classic He rips everybody and they're like, I'll
come back, and it's like, that's not what a well
(28:47):
run operation. He's not, at this point in time good
enough and important enough to not just like they should
have punted this offseason. I honestly think they're kind of
stuck unless someone can get him for nothing. I think
his value is extreme. He feels like your classic older
NBA player. It's really really famous. But like if you
(29:07):
just ask around the league, Yeah, I wouldn't want that
guy in my team. And I think that's kind of
the vibe he's got going on right now. Yeah, this
isn't some This isn't something like von Miller, where other
teams wanted him when he was in Denver even though
he was old. I think he's kind of untouchable for
a lot of the because the good teams, the good
teams are the only ones interested, right, and I think
(29:28):
like eighty percent of them would be out before it even.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Came up, right, Well, mean now you have the more
allegations of domestic abuse.
Speaker 8 (29:36):
Yeah, and I was told before because it comes up
a lot. They again thinks can change injuries, Like the
Chiefs would never go back down that road. And we
know Andy, he's pretty open minded. Like, this isn't some
like stiff guy in his beliefs.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I get it. Okay, what about the Chiefs though, now
Xavier Worthy separated shoulder, you don't have that. That's your
top two wide receivers and they just there wasn't a
lot of juice there. Can that be fixed?
Speaker 8 (30:06):
Well, I mean they've used now the last couple of years,
their first round pick and their second round pick on
two wide receivers. But even if the guys don't become
Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase, if you get two number
twos with Right and Worthy, they would look dramatically different. Well,
the Rice is a moron, get suspended right for the
Lamborghini incident, and then you get Worthy. He gets hurt
on the third play of the game, and the elephant
(30:28):
in the room is And it's not like the Chiefs
don't know this, and even Travis knows it. He's not
the same player. So it's like five years ago, Travis
would have been, Okay, I'll bail us out. I'll get
us twelve catches. I mean those remember some of those,
Like I think it was a Thursday night game when
Travis and Tyreek just went nuts against the Chargers and
brought him back on this crazy comeback, and Travis was,
(30:48):
you know, like the Tyreek version of a tight end.
He was unstoppable, he was so fast. Well, Derwin James,
I mean just dominated. I mean even the Travis touchdowns
that wasn't Travis, that was Andy Reid, like the fake
block getting them out and he's wide open walks in
the zone, but just when he just got to go
one on one with a good player, he can't really
get open. So you're missing your first round pick, you're
(31:09):
missing the second round pick. Two wide receivers who are
who's just good and unique players, and then Travis's He's
just no longer an elite player. It's just hard to
overcome with a coach and a quarterback that, let's face it,
want to call pass this. You know this kind of
a problem.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Crazy how quickly it happens. Min Coffee the best Man.
Look forward to the next podcast. Thanks for our guest.
Speaker 7 (31:31):
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Then let's get to a game, shall we.
Speaker 7 (32:18):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
And while we're not streaming video, Doug we are, you
can always stream us on the iHeartRadio app. Listening to
the audio and then the highlights you can see right
now on YouTube, but streaming, Yes, the future here at
Fox Sports Radio. If that's a tease the game today
is that's a tease? Yes?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
If I don't hold on, do you know something I
don't know?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
I don't know? Maybe maybe on.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Doug ranked the three best teams in the nf foul
after Week one of the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
We all know who's number one, right.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
The Packers, all the Chargers, Packers wasn't sure what.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Let's go Chargers three, Packers two and yeah, I'll still go.
Eagles one. You know, didn't have Jaalen Carter won the game.
They weren't great, but they find a way to win.
So they're defending champs. They want to know Chargers, Packers
and then the number one team right now, in the
NFL is the pilled up Eagles.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Somebody is sitting at home right now. They missed the
Bears Vikings game and they're rewatching it on NFL Network
and says man Caleb Williams has just completed his first
ten passes. He's ten of eleven. This is a different
this is a different guy. Different guy, different guy. Then
just wait, yeah, just wait. They're also say J. J.
(33:59):
McCarthy is not the answer. Just wait. Doug ranked the
top three players that stood out in Week one. Oh
good or bad?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Ooh oh? Justin Herbert at three. Let's see here. I'm
gonna give him credit. I thought Justin Field's look good. Yeah,
Justin Field's a lot better, played a lot better than
I I think I've ever seen him play in the
(34:29):
NFL with Justin Fields. And then I think too, I mean,
Tua's performance was bad, and I think it's exposed him.
And it's funny. What John Mittlkoff said last segment is
what I said last year. I think they're stuck. They're
latched down to a quarterback that is just people have
figured out and isn't good enough, you know, and you
can say, well, like that system is not quarterback depending Like, yeah,
(34:51):
it's specifically dependent upon a guy who has to get
rid of it quick, make that first second read, and
they're taking that away and he does not have the
ability of improvise.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
All right, Doug, rink your top three teams in college football?
Now the ap pole was the same as it was
from the week prior. But who are your top three
teams in the college game.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I'll go LSU at three, Georgia at two, in Ohio
State at one.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
All right, moving on to the next question.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Really impressive. It is not an anti organ because they
hit the crap out of my alma mater. Who wee impressive?
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Sixty nine to three.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
That was bad.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
On a side note, because of Sam's Christmas gifts that
I got him last year? Did you move the Syhawk
Trophy at all?
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Is it like because I was not in possession of it,
do you end up moving it in a certain spot
or how do you handle that decor in your household?
Speaker 10 (35:51):
I put it away, out of sight, out of mind.
I don't get I don't deserve to look at it. Okay,
that's three out of the last four years. That's two
in a row that Iowa has seeded the Syhawk Trophy
to the Cyclones.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Man, why do I deserve to look at it? Yes,
but it as to stay in the dark.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Why they went they just have any sort of offensive attack,
Like why you would just think, like just go get
a quarterback, like anybody you got, you couldn't be any worse.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's a wide receiver
problem for breaking down Iowa tape right now. I think
they need some some dudes to catch the ball. They
had a lot of injuries during that game too. Do
you think that they thought they were bringing in a
Gronkowski and it was a Granowski and they just like, yeah,
that's possible, Or how about a Gradkowski? Yes, maybe that
was thought they were bringing a Bruce Gradkowski, but you
got a Gronowski.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Yes, maybe that was the problem. All right, rank your
top three souvenirs from a sporting event. I think this
is apropos not only from Philly's Karen, but also I
saw like the NFL say like, man Justin Jefferson taking
care of this fan. I think Justin Jefferson just didn't
want to carry a top ten chain and medallion around
from ESPN. But cool souvenir for the fan to rink
(36:59):
your top three souvenirs from any sporting events, I'd.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Say baseball bat at three, basketball sneakers you know sometimes yeah,
the players got basketball sneakers at two. And baseball catching,
actually catching a baseball a game is number one. Now
I will point out that, you know, the NFL still
has a policy you get fined for throwing a game,
throwing a ball into the stands and you know when
(37:25):
they kick it. But back when the Rams used to
play at the Big A J. Stew there's a group
that was I think a national group called take Down
the Nets, and they tried to propose to the NFL
to take down the nets let an NFL fan walk
away with the football. It obviously was like thirty five
years ago and nothing ever happened to it. So maybe
(37:47):
they didn't make their please loud enough.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And that's game time.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Game.
Speaker 7 (37:54):
This is game time on the Doug got Leave Show.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
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