February 13, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the Jets and their statement earlier in the day from their head coach, general manager and owner officially announcing they have moved on from Aaron Rodgers. Doug and the crew talk about women's basketball and the lack of interest in it. Doug welcomes FSR Insider Mark Medina to talk about Luka, the NBA All-Star game and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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uh what I think is a little bit unique. Is
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a release statement from Aaron Glenn and Darren Moogie. Last
week we met with Aaron to share our intention was
to move in a different direction at quarterback. It was
important to have a discussion now to provide clarity and
enable each of us the proper time to plan for
our respect to futures. We want to thank for his
passion and dedication about the organization and wish him success
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moving forward. Woody Johnson blah blah blah. I want to
thank him, blah blah blah. I want to thank him
for his time. So I mean, look, I can tell
you I've worked at three different places. I'm not sure
I would say my tenure at one of them was
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a stirling success and perfectly or maybe didn't go the
way I wanted to go. Part of free agency and
essentially he was a free agent, right. I know he
was traded to the New York Jets, but he had
to approve of that trade. But part of it is
anytime you acquire a new player, there's about a thirty
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three percent hit rate of getting what you expect, especially
in free agency. When a guy's out on the market,
anybody can have him and he picks one place, it's
like a thirty three percent hit rate, Like, well, that
sounds it should be better than the draft. The draft
is know about fifty percent hit rate based upon all studies.
So it's not that it's not crazy, okay, that this
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didn't work. It was. It was less successful than Brett
Farve's tenure with the Jets, but much like Brett Farr's tenure,
it was it was tainted by an injury, right, farv
was nine and three and then tore a biceps muscle
and insists on keeping playing through it. Aaron Rodgers tours
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kills ten and four plays into his first season with
the Jets. We'll never know what this would have been
like without the injury. That's that's the reality. I understand
that if you're not in the sport, or if you
don't like Aaron Rodgers, you don't like the Jets, or
you didn't like this move, you can tell me, hey,
it wasn't going to work anyway. Robert Sala was in
over his head as a coach. You know, Aaron Rodgers
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had too much autonomy. He wanted his buddy to be
offensive coordinator who was in over his head. And you
may be right, but we have no idea what it
would have looked like if Aaron Rodgers a year ago
had played that entire season. Did the line look like
it wasn't good enough? It did, but the defense was
better and the overall vibes were better. And because it
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all fell apart for a second year with the same quarterback,
even though they had acquired Aaron Rodgers in the offseason,
it became a self fulfilling prophecy. That if you said
it wasn't gonna work with Robert Sala and the Jets
and Aaron Rodgers, it was so they weren't that good
this year and got exposed to such and he wasn't
the same coming off an achilles ten and tear. What
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would you look like last year? I don't know, and
I think, Look, that's the frustrating thing. I can tell
you that in my tenures, my first year as head coach,
I haven't had the nation's league scorer for over two months.
Like my team, I don't know what we would have
looked like, but it's reasonable to think it would have
been better. Heck, the Detroit Lions, you know they have
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guys amo monross s. Brown said on a podcast that
he wants to shot the Philadelphia Eagles. They had thirteen
guys on the ir on the defensive side of the football.
Like these can sound like excuses, but it's the reality
that if a guy gets hurt, we're never gonna know.
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I mean, I've said that about Greg Odin being a
flop in the NBA, Like, was Greg Odin to flop? Yeah?
The league changed and he may not wouldn't He likely
wouldn't have been able to evolve, but we'll never know
what his actual ceiling was because he never really had
a chance due to injuries. On the other hand, that
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if you're fair when you're breaking it down the failure
of the Jets and Aaron Rodgers, the likelihood of injury
is always greater the older you are, So I don't
know if we could have seen an Achilles ten and
tear coming. Who could have Literally, you plant wrong one
step and we all learned about a rupturing calf muscle
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which turns out to be an Achilles ten. That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know that the Golden State Warriors would have
beaten the Toronto Raptors, but I think it would have
happened had Kevin rant not torn his Achilles ten in
Game six, then Klay Thompson later on where he tore
in Game five, Klay Thompson Game six towards knee. So
this signifies to me that Aaron wants to keep playing.
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It signifies to me that the Jets did something that
I think, frankly the Saint Louis Cardinals did with aberpool holes.
And what is that when the Cardinals essentially part of
ways with Arapool, if you remember, it was to go
to the Angels. The Angels reportedly weren't the highest bidder.
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The Marlins were, but the Cardinals had had Albert Pools
for the earlier part of his career, and they made
an offer, a six year, one hundred and whatever you know,
ninety million dollar offer in the preseason and said that's
our offer, take it or leave it. He left it.
At the end of the year, he said he wonted
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a nine year, ten year deal. They offered him three
additional years at six million dollars at the back end,
which if we look at the last three or four
years of his tenure with the Angels, the Cardinals kind
of nailed it right. It was an increase in money,
It was a lot of money. It was more money
than ever played anybody, But at the back end of
it wasn't this huge lump sum like the Angels with
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thirty million dollars. Even the year after he stopped playing
that tenth year, he got thirty million dollars to just
be some sort of spokesperson for the Angels. It's a
ridiculously bad contract, But the point is that the Cardinals
did make legitimate offers to Pools so that they can
rest easy going, like, look, we wanted him, We wanted
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him at a reasonable market value. He didn't want to
do that, so he went. We shake hands and say
it was a good run. The Jets probably didn't truly
want Aaron Rodgers back, but if they even can consider
talking about him coming back might be a new offense.
Gonna have to be at all OTA's and all the workouts,
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gonna have start doing Pat McAfee. And again, it's a
lot like Pools because it's very possible. It's an offer
that they can tell everybody around, Hey, we made an
offer but knowing full well, and Aaron Rodgers knows full well,
just like Albert Pooles knew farewell. Because they came below
what the ask was or what the expectations were. It
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was an offer that they knew he had to refuse.
Everybody knows the quote from the Godfather, give him an
off what you can't refuse. But with the Cardinals, did
the Poohols with Aaron Rodgers. With the Jets of Aaron
Rodgers is make him an offer. You know he's gonna refuse.
But you can always go back to your fans and go, look,
we want him back. He just wouldn't wouldn't commit to
go into all the OTAs.
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Speaker 1 (08:27):
Stuck Got Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. We got don't
call it a throwback Thursday coming for you next hour.
Quite positively my favorite thing. Oh yeah, So the Lakers
dropped their second game since Luca don Chik has come over.
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You go back to last night. They lose, but they
lost to the Utah Jazz. Okay, this is a team
that they smoked at at Crypto and they lose to
on the road. Brody James did have a career high
nine points, right, nine points. But they play their bench extensively,
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and I mean you got to ask yourself, Okay, so like,
what what should the expectations be? Luke only played twenty
three minutes as he's working himself back kind of into
game shape. That shouldn't be a shock to anybody. They
go and trade for They only go and acquire Alex
lenn who is on the buyout market. Dalton Connect plays
kind of bizarrely, so, right, like after he was traded.
That's always super weird. Kind of felt like a bullpen
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night right where they played everybody. I don't know, I
just you look at that team and it's one that
they're gonna try and use KloCo and Jackson Hayes's rim
protectors and Alex limsums as a rim protector. But they're
gonna have nights where they score one hundred and forty
hundred and fifty points. The question is can they give
up less than that? Can they give less than that?
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You know, they shoot a ton of threes, they'll be
spread you all out right. I mean they're four starting
perimeter players combined to take what was it to thirty
twenty six thirty one threes? It's a lot. That's a lot.
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So it feels like they're trying to on some level
copy the Boston Celtics. The difference is the Boston Celtics
are so much better defensively at so many spots. Stut
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So Byer, let's
get back on your editorial hat. Your switch hat's gonna
take that one off apartment that one on. There you go,
you got that hat doesn't this kind of signify what
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Jason and I have been saying, which is, and I
think I don't know if you feel the same way,
which is like there's the WNBA and then there's Caitlin Clark.
These they may coexist, but it's completely different how one
is look like looks like without the other.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yes, absolutely, and last year's event, actually I think went
off better than what anybody expected. It was an exciting time,
but it just shows you the NBA's plans. And I
just to me, it seemed because we were in the
midst of the Caitlyn Clark fever at that point at Iowa,
this had never been done before. So hey, let's try
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to expand this. Let's try to make Caitlyn Clark a
part of it the next year. And then when she
said that she wouldn't, especially Doug when the All Star
Game is in San Francisco, so it's in steps backyard.
So you could make it a case that, hey, this
is a fun time and it made sense to reunite
him and Klay Thompson as teammates on something that would
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make sense. But when she's not there, you're not going
to just pull another WNBA star apparently, because they obviously
don't have the.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Cachet of Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I'll also say this just on your point, where you
and Jason are correct and I was wrong. I thought
there would be more hype for the women's game this year,
and I don't think that there is now tonight we
have USC and UCLA one versus six and a big
ten matchup. But I thought there would have been a
little bit more carryover from last year, and I think
I was I was wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We don't We don't.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
See it as I guess as much. UCLA is a
dominant team, and I don't know how many people outside
of those following even realize that UCLA is number one.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I don't think anybody knows. I We're the only show
that talks about it. I think we're the only show
that talks about it because Sam's super interested in it
and Jason kind of likes crapping on it. That's really good?
Is that Is that fair? Guys? And I would also
I look at I would also credit the NBA from
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this perspective, Dan, this was the boringest NBA season on record,
and then Luca got traded and now I'm I'm interested, right,
now the soap opera CoA do is that?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Can I yet get me back in?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, like I thought there would be more hype with
Juju Watkins and Paige Becker's and the stars that that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
There mixed up. They were mixed up.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
They're going to carry on the mantle, you know, they
they were going to this uh you know the what
is that the tides that raise all boats? Everybody was
going to get a higher platform. We were going to
be just as interested in these college stars as we
were Kate and Clark. And that's completely falling on its face.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I told you he takes a special amount of glee
in it. It's really it's it's a little diabolical, But
I mean I enjoy watching him have such joy, I
know it.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, especially when Sam's got that little smile on his face.
And it's not that Sam agrees, it's just that Sam
something triggered in his brain.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Oh we're talking about it, and and Doug, I'd say
you made a good point, possibly on another podcast just one. Yeah,
that Juju made an Elite eight run last year and
some people know who she is. But like the first
two two years of Caitlin Clark, the scoring was similar
to Juju or vice versa. But she needs ever last
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she I know, inside the Big ten, she was getting
a little more well known than by yes junior and
senior year.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, she was a national name. Maybe that's what Juju needs.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I mean she needs a final she needs a
Final four, and she needs, you know, a couple of
spectacle performances, and then she needs like a following, like
a thing. I mean, this is honestly the Caitlyn Clark thing.
And I get everyone says that Taylor Swift because her
dad had money, he bought a bunch of albums in
her first album, right, and that kind of triggered this thing.
But what what what I think w NBA women have
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to understand is it's really simple. It's it's not always
about who's the best. It's about who people like the
most and want to watch the most. I mean, really, honestly,
that's the step Curry thing. Don't get me wrong. Steph
Curry is an all time great, but he's never really
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been in the stratosphere of lebron because physically, here's he
here's so many things he can't do with the other
end of the floor. Right, But Steph Curry is wildly popular.
I think there are while Lebron is respected and popular.
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Lebron has an equal number. You know, He's got plenty
of people that don't like him, but they just don't
like him because they don't think he's Michael Jordan. But
if you asked honestly, like you know, who's better, Like, oh,
Lebron James does more of a basketball floor, it's like
not really, not really close, you know, not really close.
But what Lebron struggled with this is the same thing
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as the year that Steph Curry was an unanimous MVP.
Lebron was like, look what Steph's done is unbelievable. No
one's done it and win seventy three games. He's the
best shooter we've ever seen. But when you talk about value, like, yeah,
Lebron's actually right on this one. Oh you know. And
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so that's the thing with Caitlin Clark. Is she the
best player in the WNBA? No? No, But she's so
incredibly popular that fighting it or or making the WNBA
as popular to the level of Caitlin Clark is a
complete misconception. Let's welcome in Mark Medina. He joins us
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he's can we cue the Mark Medina music. There we go.
Ah yeah, uh huh. Mark Medina joins us. He's our
Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider. Here's the question, Mark, what
is the actual All Star game format? I don't know.
I'm not gonna still not gonna watch, but tell me
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what they're trying to do to get my attention.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Yeah, okay, so I'll break it down. They got four teams.
One team is represent by Charles Barkley. These are International Stars.
Kenny Smith's team are the Young Stars, Shacks teams are
the Ogs. Chuck and Kenny's team is going to play
each other, and then Shacks Og team is playing the
winner of the Rising Stars team. It's first to forty,
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and then the winner of those two teams will play
in the championship game and it's first to forty.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And it's they're back to back to back, back to back.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Yep, all on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Well, I mean it's like excited about it, Doug.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I just I mean again, whatever I mean they're trying
to make it. I guess the idea is, hey, anytime
we have a score to play for that guys are
going to compete. But they haven't competed in years, why
would they compete now?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Yeah. I mean, look, we're going to be preaching in
the choir here right now. I'm with you. I do
think that the games, the games are going to be
better this season because it's something that's new. But to
your point, you may recall in twenty twenty All Star weekend,
in honor of Kobe Bryant and his tragedy, they decided
to implement a new rule where they try to reach
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a target score no shot, you know, no clock in
the fourth quarter. That made it for better competition. That
lasted only three years, and then these last few seasons
have been normal, terrible All Star games of zero defense
and layup line. So I think in the short term, yeah,
we're going to see a better product, but hey, that's
not saying much. And b I don't know if it
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really lasts beyond the season, because it's very much reeks
of the desper parent trying to plead to their kids
to either be on great behavior and get some good
grades and if you do, we'll give you lavish gifts.
So I think it's very much a short term sugar spike,
and that's a.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I like the Sugar Spike Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, have you been able to figure
out whether or not Nico Harrison had called anybody other
than the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah, that is fascinating because I think that he definitely
gauged other teams. But you know, Rob the Lincoln has
had it publicly that one of the things that he's
really grateful for was that he and Nico, you know,
kept these conversations secret, so to speak. So I don't
think it ever reached the strong level where there were
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negotiations with other teams, but I do think that there
was kind of a soft gauge with it. But I
think regardless, you know, I appreciate you outlining some of
the nuance with the trade because Anthony Davis has been
a really great player. Obviously he's hurt now, but he's
had a better injury history. But I think, you know,
league wide, there is a strong feeling that, Okay, if
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you are going to do this deal, like, why couldn't
you extract at least a few more draft picks from
the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I agree. I mean, I think that's that's the big
question in the league. It's not that he was okay,
what about that. That's the other part is you mentioned
Anthony's like Dame is pretty good and he's a two
way player. I just is the reaction as much surprise
inside the league as there is from fans.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Well, I think you know, when the tray went down,
we all had the instinct, I know, you had the
instinct of physics a hoax, and then what we may
call sp realized it was real. There's been a lot
of negative criticism toward the MAVs leak wide about this. Obviously,
you know, for it to reach the level where there's
protests and security concerns, that's over the top. But you know,
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I think the prevailing theme is even if you buy
into the idea that the Mavericks are doing this, a
mid concerns on whether they want to commit to Luca
or he gave signals that he wanted out, which he
strongly dismissed, or concerns about his conditioning, and the overwhelming
thought of is this is that for out of shape
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he is. Lucas still been a generational talent. He guided
them to the finals last year and he's twenty five
years old. So you know, from some perspective when Jerry Buss,
the late Lakers owner, traded Kobe and Shack, or traded
Shack kept Kobe. Part of the thinking was, yeah, Shack
doesn't keep himself in shape, and his career is going
to be on the decline. But at that point he
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was at the latter part of his career. So I
think the thinking is, Luca's still been playing at a
great level, even though he's on the best of shape,
He's still longing a great workload, and he'll start take caring.
He'll start taking care of some of those other nuances
when he needs to. But you know, Anthony Davis again,
great player, And I know that Mavericks fans are going
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to roll their eyes here because he's hurt and height
might be out for at least a month. But this
whole idea that he is fragile and injury prone, Yes,
he has that injury history, but since January of twenty
twenty three, he hasn't had a major injury. You know,
that involved him missing a lot of weeks. So you know,
this injury in the course of the game, and obviously
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things can happen.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Uh, Jimmy Butler, how's that going to go over at
Golden state.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Well, so far, so good. You know, I don't buy
Draymond Green's optimism when he told me last week when
they were in LA that you know that they're going
to win the championship. But I think that given where
the Warriors were at, given where Jimmy Butler was at,
it was both a desperate and pragmatic move for both sides.
There wasn't much of a market for Jimmy and an
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extension with the Warriors, they were able to still find
that sweet spot that. Yes, they did have to give up,
you know, some good assets, Andrew Wiggins, a first round pick,
some good rotation players with Kyle Anderson. Dennis Schroeder probably
a stretch only because he didn't fit in well there.
But they didn't have to give up any of their
young core or multiple first round picks. So I think
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the calculus was they saw, even with Steph Curry still
playing reasonably well this season, they're not their ceilings, playing
at best and make it missing the playoffs at worse.
So this is at least a shot in the arm.
I don't put them in NBA title contention, but you know,
they're a team in the first round that teams wouldn't
want to have to play, but I think that's their sailing.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Okay, So who is really entitled contention? That's the question,
right the Celtics. I think we're pretty what we know
pretty well, like Oklahoma City. The records great, they're a
year older, but last year they flamed out early in
the playoffs to the Mavericks. So who actually are the
teams that are in playoff contention? Forget about regular season records?
What people actually really believe?
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah? I think Eastern Conference Celtics because defending champs, they
have most of their core back. Yeah, they've gone through
some struggles, but most of its championship hangover stuff Cleveland
because of how great of a start they've had. They've
really clicked on every single part of their offense with
their four all stars. Western Conference, and the feeling is
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that it is Oklahoma City and everyone else. Yes, I
guess you still give a fighter chance to the Nuggets
because of the but I just don't trust their you know,
lack of depth. With Oklahoma City. They're not a team
without weakness. Yes, they're young, they have some rebounding issues.
But I think Shay he's an MVP candidate, you know,
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the fact that they played really well without Chut Holmgren
and for some games about Isaya Hartenstein's shows that their
wing depth on both sides of the balls really good
and with their size that has given them a lot
of versatility. So I do give the edge to all
those three teams I mentioned, But unlike the Warriors dynasty years,
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it's not a feeling of it's predetermined. This is the
NBA champion. Everyone's just going through the motions. It is
wide open, but there's definitely odds for those three teams
to win it all.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Stug gott Leeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
circle back to the Mavericks. Jason Kidd took a moment
to himself last night. Instead of answering questions, he looked
and sounded exhausted. What's how Like what's his status with Niko?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
How down would this plan?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Is?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Well, he's saying all the company line things right now.
I mean, Nico made it clear in his press conference,
even if he hasn't been as available as much as
fans have wanted him to be when the tray went down,
he made it clear that he's the one who made
the decision. So all signs point to him. Jason Kidd's
been supportive of it. Now we know, obviously in this business,
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people say things publicly and people say things privately, But
I haven't got any hint that Jason's not on board
with it. But as far as where their status is
and you know, any security, they're going to be evaluated
on this, not by this season, but you know next
few seasons from now, and there's no hiding behind it.
This is a huge gamble that they've made. You know,
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if I were in their shoes, I wouldn't have done it.
But you know, I do understand the thought process going
into this season. There are a lot of people I
talked around the league that thought that the Mavericks are
one hit wonder When they got to the NBA Finals,
it wasn't sustainable. Now, in fairness, their criticism wasn't about Luca.
You know, some of those same executives are saying, hey,
Luca is my favorite to win MVP. It was just
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the idea that the West is so loaded. Even though
they improved their supporting cast, they don't think it's quite enough.
Kyrie Irvings later in his career, Kway Thompson's not the
same player as he was pre Achilles and acl injury.
But you know, in its totality, there was a feeling,
you know, this isn't sustainable, so they decided to make
that decision to lean in on defense and see where
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it goes. And you know, the only skepticism I have
is that this window is very short term. Ad Kyrie Clay.
They're on the later parts of their career where obviously
lucas a lot younger. But you know, we'll see what happens, obviously,
but nothing will happen after the season. If any changes happened,
it would be you know, future seasons from now.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Mark, thanks so much for join us. We really appreciate you,
enjoy All Star weekend.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Doug appreciate you as well. And I will never decline
your intro music on like this three point contest stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Mark the funky Cold Medina, longtime NBA reporter, our Fox
NBA inside. It's like his walk up music. Let's get
you to Dan Bayer and get you a quick already,
Dan did the update. I am my fault. I got
a little confused there, I was. I was so when
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was the last time I can remember the last All
Star game? I actually watched. I mean it, don't get
me wrong, Like, have I been walking through an airport?
Have I been changing the channels and seeing the All
Star Game?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But like actually sat down and watched. It was magic.
Johnson was at ninety three. He hit a fade away
to end the All Star Game. Like, that's it. I
haven't watched ever since.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You haven't watched in thirty two years?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Wow, No, not even in passing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like I said, in passing, like I'm flipping around like
is it the Al Star Game? Okay? Next? You know,
it's like it's like when you're watching Seinfeld tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, I'll stop on this channel.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Nope, I've seen this one. Yeah you know. Nope, Nope,
don't like that episode. Actually, yeah, it's it's something I
used to Seinfeld? Is that not it? I'm trying to
think of what a TV show I used to like
and now I turned on like, eh no, No, I
was never a Save by the Bell guy? Were you
guys saved by the Bell? Damn? Were you saved by
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the Bell?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah? I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I think I enjoyed it more maybe when I was
even older and more on the repeats than when it
actually was airing.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But yeah, what was it?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Was it funny?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Just an easy watch? Yeah, it's just an easy easy watch.
Maybe the maybe the Bright Colors. I had no problem
with Saved by the Bell.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
A lot of people forget to Save by the Bell
was only on for like three or four seasons. It
didn't have that long over run. But in syndication and
in you know, reruns, its just it's lived on and
on and fate wit.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Wait, okay, I want, I want. What do we think?
Don't look look it up? Okay, don't look it up.
How many seasons Miss season? Sam? You said three or four?
How many seasons?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I'll say four? Does this count that Miss Bliss season?
Like that's how the show started?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Wait? What?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It was not originally called Saved by the Bell.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
The show was actually built around the character of Miss Bliss,
who then was faded out, and it was more about
the six kids in the school.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I don't remember Miss Bliss. I know mister Belding as
one of the adults and in the teens of course.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
But yes, it was a spin it's considered a spin
off of Good Morning Miss Bliss. Consider to spin off? Okay, again,
I don't know anything about missus.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Miss Bliss, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, four seasons is the answer.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
So just to track that conversation, Dan offered substance that
was fact, and then Doug confirmed it with a Wikipedia entry.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, pretty much what works.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
What's more perfect though than four seasons because it's like
you go freshman to senior.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I mean maybe that was just the perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You know, with no reclassification.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The college years though, I watched the College Years.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
I remember this Saved by the Bell movie when they're
someone there. It was Zach and Kelly getting married in
Vegas and they're all trying to get there and like
someone's cars breaks, cars break down, and yeah they they
they uh, And then I think there was Saved by
the Bell the new class, So there was quite a
bit of the culture that continued after the original.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Saved by the Bell College Years was one year, so
apparently they were they were dropouts. They were dropped.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
The funny thing is is a c Slater was supposed
to wrestle at Iowa, but then they all decided to
go to the same school, which was like California State,
just a generic and so they're all together back together again.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I think, although who was the smart who is a C.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Slater's girlfriend, Jesse Jesse span I think she went off
to like Princeton, but she would like make appearances or something.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
So is that Elizabeth, Yes, yeah, well she wanted to
go to stant Wizday Hanford.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Stansbury is what they call. Yeah, yes, yes, Stansbury West Coast.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Then they hired the guy from the Max to be
the guy from Harvard to show the lady from Stansbury
that Spana was Stansbury material.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I stepped into I stepped into Saved by the Bell
World and Dan is going like chapter verse, like if
you thought you knew about golf tournaments, the Iowa was amazing.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
We have the Iowa recruitment, I think in the system
because I put it in Slater's at the Max. The
head coach at Iowa walks into the Max. Slater goes,
that's the head coach at Iowa. C Slater offers him
a full ride on the spot and then says, I'll
see you in the fall. It was the quickest recruitment
in sports history.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's exactly how it works. But yes, that's how it works.
Although I will say if it was Iowa wrestling, it
actually would work that way, right, either Iowa, Penn State,
Oklahoma state. Right, it feels like those are the ones.
It would work out that way. But yeah, that's not
how it works. But maybe, I mean, I don't know,
maybe it does. What's weird They can use Iowa, I guess,
because the state's name, but they can't use Stanford because
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the private school.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Is that really Yeah, maybe they didn't get the rights,
but Harvard was used.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But was Yes, it feels like Stanford would be very
happy with their name being used.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Maybe because they read this script and didn't like how
they looked like uppity and snooty by denying Jesse Spannel
that they said, no dice on this, we will not
lend our name to this episode.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Okay, maybe Saved by the Bell is not the appropriate one.
I was never a huge Saved by the Bell guy,
but not that I was ever a huge All Star
game guy. Maybe it's the Cosby Show, right, Whereas when
The Cosby Show was out, it was literally the most
popular show on television, And now the Cosby Show comes on.
I don't even know if it runs in syndications since
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since it does. Yeah, right, you're like, yeah, this.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Was funny mainstream Cable choice.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Wasn't really funny. Would like to talk to you about
the things that you're saying on the show.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
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Speaker 1 (33:07):
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Speaker 3 (33:18):
This is game time Game SAH on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All Right, Doug, the game today is.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I Feel a Draft.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
We usually mix it up with I Feel a Draft,
but there are some staples and this is one of them.
The week after the Super Bowl we start to make
our predictions for next year. So today we are drafting
NFL teams that you think will win Super Bowl sixty,
coming up on February eighth of twenty twenty six in
Santa Clara. Doug, you are picking first. I will pick second,
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Jason third, and then Sam as the back to back
as we reverse it in the second run, Doug, you
are on the clock. Who is your Super Bowl pick
for next season?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Super Bowl pick for next season?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
The Philadelphia Eagles are plus five point fifty, Kansas City
Chiefs plus six hundred.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I'm gonna go Buffalo Bills. Next year's the Buffalo Bills.
All right, off the board is Buffalo. I'm gonna go
Baltimore Ravens. I think the early exit gives him a
little bit more rest and next several years then they
put it all, they put it all together. They've been Buffalo,
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keep getting rested.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Jason, you're up at number three.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I'm just gonna be very biased here and say the
Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, that was that was actually my other pick. It's
a good pick.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Mark the tape, right. You think they have a chance
for sure? It's not just you being a homer on them. Correct.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah. I mean they've got a full draft and free
agency with Harbaugh's guys, I think they're gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Three AFC teams off the board and the Chiefs aren't
one of them. Will they go at number four? We'll
find out now, Iowa, Sam, you're on the clock.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
So you're telling me there's a chance, you know what,
I'm not gonna go with the Chiefs for this pick.
I'm gonna go with the Ravens. With the Ravens, that's
a good pick because I picked them two picks ago.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, you take pay attention there, Sam, I.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was trying to find my.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You know that was available, the Bills and the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go bump the Chiefs
up to my fourth pick. I'm gonna take the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
All right?
Speaker 6 (35:53):
And then with my fifth, the fifth overall pick, I'm
gonna take the Rams, the Rams.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
This this is crazy right now? All right? Jason, You're
back on the class six. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I mean, I can't believe that you guys left me
at the sixth pick. The back to back Eagles championships, Yeah,
it happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
When they went back to back.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I think Sam would have thought about it, but he
was flustered by the thought about the Eagles. That flustered
that you got it mixed up.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
I see, Sam, I haven't think.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
About the Eagles because you picked the Ravens. Then you
picked two other teams that weren't named the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I just think of AFC comes back, okay to win it.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Okay, I'm gonna pick the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Let's go with the Texans.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Okay. I want to pick Kansay the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I mean, Sam did oh, who's listening?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Now yeah, Sam took the called sarcasm.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
Oh no, I think you actually picked the Chiefs carrying
to ravage ravage yeah yeah, uh ten seconds?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Uh hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I
think the Niners the Niners. The Niners don't call a
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a release statement from Aaron Glenn and Darren Moogie. Last
week we met with Aaron to share our intention was
to move in a different direction at quarterback. It was
important to have a discussion now to provide clarity and
enable each of us the proper time to plan for
our respect to futures. We want to thank for his
passion and dedication about the organization and wish him success
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moving forward. Woody Johnson blah blah blah. I want to
thank him, blah blah blah. I want to thank him
for his time. So I mean, look, I can tell
you I've worked at three different places. I'm not sure
I would say my tenure at one of them was
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a stirling success and perfectly or maybe didn't go the
way I wanted to go. Part of free agency and
essentially he was a free agent, right. I know he
was traded to the New York Jets, but he had
to approve of that trade. But part of it is
anytime you acquire a new player, there's about a thirty
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three percent hit rate of getting what you expect, especially
in free agency. When a guy's out on the market,
anybody can have him and he picks one place, it's
like a thirty three percent hit rate, Like, well, that
sounds it should be better than the draft. The draft
is know about fifty percent hit rate based upon all studies.
So it's not that it's not crazy, okay, that this
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didn't work. It was. It was less successful than Brett
Farve's tenure with the Jets, but much like Brett Farr's tenure,
it was it was tainted by an injury, right, farv
was nine and three and then tore a biceps muscle
and insists on keeping playing through it. Aaron Rodgers tours
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kills ten and four plays into his first season with
the Jets. We'll never know what this would have been
like without the injury. That's that's the reality. I understand
that if you're not in the sport, or if you
don't like Aaron Rodgers, you don't like the Jets, or
you didn't like this move, you can tell me, hey,
it wasn't going to work anyway. Robert Sala was in
over his head as a coach. You know, Aaron Rodgers
(03:04):
had too much autonomy. He wanted his buddy to be
offensive coordinator who was in over his head. And you
may be right, but we have no idea what it
would have looked like if Aaron Rodgers a year ago
had played that entire season. Did the line look like
it wasn't good enough? It did, but the defense was
better and the overall vibes were better. And because it
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all fell apart for a second year with the same quarterback,
even though they had acquired Aaron Rodgers in the offseason,
it became a self fulfilling prophecy. That if you said
it wasn't gonna work with Robert Sala and the Jets
and Aaron Rodgers, it was so they weren't that good
this year and got exposed to such and he wasn't
the same coming off an achilles ten and tear. What
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would you look like last year? I don't know, and
I think, Look, that's the frustrating thing. I can tell
you that in my tenures, my first year as head coach,
I haven't had the nation's league scorer for over two months.
Like my team, I don't know what we would have
looked like, but it's reasonable to think it would have
been better. Heck, the Detroit Lions, you know they have
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guys amo monross s. Brown said on a podcast that
he wants to shot the Philadelphia Eagles. They had thirteen
guys on the ir on the defensive side of the football.
Like these can sound like excuses, but it's the reality
that if a guy gets hurt, we're never gonna know.
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I mean, I've said that about Greg Odin being a
flop in the NBA, Like, was Greg Odin to flop? Yeah?
The league changed and he may not wouldn't He likely
wouldn't have been able to evolve, but we'll never know
what his actual ceiling was because he never really had
a chance due to injuries. On the other hand, that
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if you're fair when you're breaking it down the failure
of the Jets and Aaron Rodgers, the likelihood of injury
is always greater the older you are, So I don't
know if we could have seen an Achilles ten and
tear coming. Who could have Literally, you plant wrong one
step and we all learned about a rupturing calf muscle
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which turns out to be an Achilles ten. That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I don't know that the Golden State Warriors would have
beaten the Toronto Raptors, but I think it would have
happened had Kevin rant not torn his Achilles ten in
Game six, then Klay Thompson later on where he tore
in Game five, Klay Thompson Game six towards knee. So
this signifies to me that Aaron wants to keep playing.
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It signifies to me that the Jets did something that
I think, frankly the Saint Louis Cardinals did with aberpool holes.
And what is that when the Cardinals essentially part of
ways with Arapool, if you remember, it was to go
to the Angels. The Angels reportedly weren't the highest bidder.
(06:05):
The Marlins were, but the Cardinals had had Albert Pools
for the earlier part of his career, and they made
an offer, a six year, one hundred and whatever you know,
ninety million dollar offer in the preseason and said that's
our offer, take it or leave it. He left it.
At the end of the year, he said he wonted
(06:26):
a nine year, ten year deal. They offered him three
additional years at six million dollars at the back end,
which if we look at the last three or four
years of his tenure with the Angels, the Cardinals kind
of nailed it right. It was an increase in money,
It was a lot of money. It was more money
than ever played anybody, But at the back end of
it wasn't this huge lump sum like the Angels with
(06:49):
thirty million dollars. Even the year after he stopped playing
that tenth year, he got thirty million dollars to just
be some sort of spokesperson for the Angels. It's a
ridiculously bad contract, But the point is that the Cardinals
did make legitimate offers to Pools so that they can
rest easy going, like, look, we wanted him, We wanted
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him at a reasonable market value. He didn't want to
do that, so he went. We shake hands and say
it was a good run. The Jets probably didn't truly
want Aaron Rodgers back, but if they even can consider
talking about him coming back might be a new offense.
Gonna have to be at all OTA's and all the workouts,
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gonna have start doing Pat McAfee. And again, it's a
lot like Pools because it's very possible. It's an offer
that they can tell everybody around, Hey, we made an
offer but knowing full well, and Aaron Rodgers knows full well,
just like Albert Pooles knew farewell. Because they came below
what the ask was or what the expectations were. It
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was an offer that they knew he had to refuse.
Everybody knows the quote from the Godfather, give him an
off what you can't refuse. But with the Cardinals, did
the Poohols with Aaron Rodgers. With the Jets of Aaron
Rodgers is make him an offer. You know he's gonna refuse.
But you can always go back to your fans and go, look,
we want him back. He just wouldn't wouldn't commit to
go into all the OTAs.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
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Speaker 1 (08:27):
Stuck Got Leap Show Fox Sports Radio. We got don't
call it a throwback Thursday coming for you next hour.
Quite positively my favorite thing. Oh yeah, So the Lakers
dropped their second game since Luca don Chik has come over.
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You go back to last night. They lose, but they
lost to the Utah Jazz. Okay, this is a team
that they smoked at at Crypto and they lose to
on the road. Brody James did have a career high
nine points, right, nine points. But they play their bench extensively,
(09:09):
and I mean you got to ask yourself, Okay, so like,
what what should the expectations be? Luke only played twenty
three minutes as he's working himself back kind of into
game shape. That shouldn't be a shock to anybody. They
go and trade for They only go and acquire Alex
lenn who is on the buyout market. Dalton Connect plays
kind of bizarrely, so, right, like after he was traded.
That's always super weird. Kind of felt like a bullpen
(09:32):
night right where they played everybody. I don't know, I
just you look at that team and it's one that
they're gonna try and use KloCo and Jackson Hayes's rim
protectors and Alex limsums as a rim protector. But they're
gonna have nights where they score one hundred and forty
hundred and fifty points. The question is can they give
up less than that? Can they give less than that?
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You know, they shoot a ton of threes, they'll be
spread you all out right. I mean they're four starting
perimeter players combined to take what was it to thirty
twenty six thirty one threes? It's a lot. That's a lot.
(10:17):
So it feels like they're trying to on some level
copy the Boston Celtics. The difference is the Boston Celtics
are so much better defensively at so many spots. Stut
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So Byer, let's
get back on your editorial hat. Your switch hat's gonna
take that one off apartment that one on. There you go,
you got that hat doesn't this kind of signify what
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Jason and I have been saying, which is, and I
think I don't know if you feel the same way,
which is like there's the WNBA and then there's Caitlin Clark.
These they may coexist, but it's completely different how one
is look like looks like without the other.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Yes, absolutely, and last year's event, actually I think went
off better than what anybody expected. It was an exciting time,
but it just shows you the NBA's plans. And I
just to me, it seemed because we were in the
midst of the Caitlyn Clark fever at that point at Iowa,
this had never been done before. So hey, let's try
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to expand this. Let's try to make Caitlyn Clark a
part of it the next year. And then when she
said that she wouldn't, especially Doug when the All Star
Game is in San Francisco, so it's in steps backyard.
So you could make it a case that, hey, this
is a fun time and it made sense to reunite
him and Klay Thompson as teammates on something that would
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make sense. But when she's not there, you're not going
to just pull another WNBA star apparently, because they obviously
don't have the.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Cachet of Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I'll also say this just on your point, where you
and Jason are correct and I was wrong. I thought
there would be more hype for the women's game this year,
and I don't think that there is now tonight we
have USC and UCLA one versus six and a big
ten matchup. But I thought there would have been a
little bit more carryover from last year, and I think
I was I was wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We don't We don't.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
See it as I guess as much. UCLA is a
dominant team, and I don't know how many people outside
of those following even realize that UCLA is number one.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I don't think anybody knows. I We're the only show
that talks about it. I think we're the only show
that talks about it because Sam's super interested in it
and Jason kind of likes crapping on it. That's really good?
Is that Is that fair? Guys? And I would also
I look at I would also credit the NBA from
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this perspective, Dan, this was the boringest NBA season on record,
and then Luca got traded and now I'm I'm interested, right,
now the soap opera CoA do is that?
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Can I yet get me back in?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah, like I thought there would be more hype with
Juju Watkins and Paige Becker's and the stars that that.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
There mixed up. They were mixed up.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
They're going to carry on the mantle, you know, they
they were going to this uh you know the what
is that the tides that raise all boats? Everybody was
going to get a higher platform. We were going to
be just as interested in these college stars as we
were Kate and Clark. And that's completely falling on its face.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I told you he takes a special amount of glee
in it. It's really it's it's a little diabolical, But
I mean I enjoy watching him have such joy, I
know it.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yeah, especially when Sam's got that little smile on his face.
And it's not that Sam agrees, it's just that Sam
something triggered in his brain.
Speaker 6 (13:51):
Oh we're talking about it, and and Doug, I'd say
you made a good point, possibly on another podcast just one. Yeah,
that Juju made an Elite eight run last year and
some people know who she is. But like the first
two two years of Caitlin Clark, the scoring was similar
to Juju or vice versa. But she needs ever last
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she I know, inside the Big ten, she was getting
a little more well known than by yes junior and
senior year.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, she was a national name. Maybe that's what Juju needs.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I mean she needs a final she needs a
Final four, and she needs, you know, a couple of
spectacle performances, and then she needs like a following, like
a thing. I mean, this is honestly the Caitlyn Clark thing.
And I get everyone says that Taylor Swift because her
dad had money, he bought a bunch of albums in
her first album, right, and that kind of triggered this thing.
But what what what I think w NBA women have
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to understand is it's really simple. It's it's not always
about who's the best. It's about who people like the
most and want to watch the most. I mean, really, honestly,
that's the step Curry thing. Don't get me wrong. Steph
Curry is an all time great, but he's never really
(15:04):
been in the stratosphere of lebron because physically, here's he
here's so many things he can't do with the other
end of the floor. Right, But Steph Curry is wildly popular.
I think there are while Lebron is respected and popular.
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Lebron has an equal number. You know, He's got plenty
of people that don't like him, but they just don't
like him because they don't think he's Michael Jordan. But
if you asked honestly, like you know, who's better, Like, oh,
Lebron James does more of a basketball floor, it's like
not really, not really close, you know, not really close.
But what Lebron struggled with this is the same thing
(15:47):
as the year that Steph Curry was an unanimous MVP.
Lebron was like, look what Steph's done is unbelievable. No
one's done it and win seventy three games. He's the
best shooter we've ever seen. But when you talk about value, like, yeah,
Lebron's actually right on this one. Oh you know. And
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so that's the thing with Caitlin Clark. Is she the
best player in the WNBA? No? No, But she's so
incredibly popular that fighting it or or making the WNBA
as popular to the level of Caitlin Clark is a
complete misconception. Let's welcome in Mark Medina. He joins us
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he's can we cue the Mark Medina music. There we go.
Ah yeah, uh huh. Mark Medina joins us. He's our
Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider. Here's the question, Mark, what
is the actual All Star game format? I don't know.
I'm not gonna still not gonna watch, but tell me
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what they're trying to do to get my attention.
Speaker 7 (16:54):
Yeah, okay, so I'll break it down. They got four teams.
One team is represent by Charles Barkley. These are International Stars.
Kenny Smith's team are the Young Stars, Shacks teams are
the Ogs. Chuck and Kenny's team is going to play
each other, and then Shacks Og team is playing the
winner of the Rising Stars team. It's first to forty,
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and then the winner of those two teams will play
in the championship game and it's first to forty.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And it's they're back to back to back, back to back.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Yep, all on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
Well, I mean it's like excited about it, Doug.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I just I mean again, whatever I mean they're trying
to make it. I guess the idea is, hey, anytime
we have a score to play for that guys are
going to compete. But they haven't competed in years, why
would they compete now?
Speaker 7 (17:52):
Yeah. I mean, look, we're going to be preaching in
the choir here right now. I'm with you. I do
think that the games, the games are going to be
better this season because it's something that's new. But to
your point, you may recall in twenty twenty All Star weekend,
in honor of Kobe Bryant and his tragedy, they decided
to implement a new rule where they try to reach
(18:12):
a target score no shot, you know, no clock in
the fourth quarter. That made it for better competition. That
lasted only three years, and then these last few seasons
have been normal, terrible All Star games of zero defense
and layup line. So I think in the short term, yeah,
we're going to see a better product, but hey, that's
not saying much. And b I don't know if it
(18:32):
really lasts beyond the season, because it's very much reeks
of the desper parent trying to plead to their kids
to either be on great behavior and get some good
grades and if you do, we'll give you lavish gifts.
So I think it's very much a short term sugar spike,
and that's a.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
I like the Sugar Spike Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, have you been able to figure
out whether or not Nico Harrison had called anybody other
than the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Yeah, that is fascinating because I think that he definitely
gauged other teams. But you know, Rob the Lincoln has
had it publicly that one of the things that he's
really grateful for was that he and Nico, you know,
kept these conversations secret, so to speak. So I don't
think it ever reached the strong level where there were
(19:20):
negotiations with other teams, but I do think that there
was kind of a soft gauge with it. But I
think regardless, you know, I appreciate you outlining some of
the nuance with the trade because Anthony Davis has been
a really great player. Obviously he's hurt now, but he's
had a better injury history. But I think, you know,
league wide, there is a strong feeling that, Okay, if
(19:44):
you are going to do this deal, like, why couldn't
you extract at least a few more draft picks from
the Lakers?
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I agree. I mean, I think that's that's the big
question in the league. It's not that he was okay,
what about that. That's the other part is you mentioned
Anthony's like Dame is pretty good and he's a two
way player. I just is the reaction as much surprise
inside the league as there is from fans.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Well, I think you know, when the tray went down,
we all had the instinct, I know, you had the
instinct of physics a hoax, and then what we may
call sp realized it was real. There's been a lot
of negative criticism toward the MAVs leak wide about this. Obviously,
you know, for it to reach the level where there's
protests and security concerns, that's over the top. But you know,
(20:36):
I think the prevailing theme is even if you buy
into the idea that the Mavericks are doing this, a
mid concerns on whether they want to commit to Luca
or he gave signals that he wanted out, which he
strongly dismissed, or concerns about his conditioning, and the overwhelming
thought of is this is that for out of shape
(20:56):
he is. Lucas still been a generational talent. He guided
them to the finals last year and he's twenty five
years old. So you know, from some perspective when Jerry Buss,
the late Lakers owner, traded Kobe and Shack, or traded
Shack kept Kobe. Part of the thinking was, yeah, Shack
doesn't keep himself in shape, and his career is going
to be on the decline. But at that point he
(21:18):
was at the latter part of his career. So I
think the thinking is, Luca's still been playing at a
great level, even though he's on the best of shape,
He's still longing a great workload, and he'll start take caring.
He'll start taking care of some of those other nuances
when he needs to. But you know, Anthony Davis again,
great player, And I know that Mavericks fans are going
(21:40):
to roll their eyes here because he's hurt and height
might be out for at least a month. But this
whole idea that he is fragile and injury prone, Yes,
he has that injury history, but since January of twenty
twenty three, he hasn't had a major injury. You know,
that involved him missing a lot of weeks. So you know,
this injury in the course of the game, and obviously
(22:02):
things can happen.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Uh, Jimmy Butler, how's that going to go over at
Golden state.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
Well, so far, so good. You know, I don't buy
Draymond Green's optimism when he told me last week when
they were in LA that you know that they're going
to win the championship. But I think that given where
the Warriors were at, given where Jimmy Butler was at,
it was both a desperate and pragmatic move for both sides.
There wasn't much of a market for Jimmy and an
(22:30):
extension with the Warriors, they were able to still find
that sweet spot that. Yes, they did have to give up,
you know, some good assets, Andrew Wiggins, a first round pick,
some good rotation players with Kyle Anderson. Dennis Schroeder probably
a stretch only because he didn't fit in well there.
But they didn't have to give up any of their
young core or multiple first round picks. So I think
(22:51):
the calculus was they saw, even with Steph Curry still
playing reasonably well this season, they're not their ceilings, playing
at best and make it missing the playoffs at worse.
So this is at least a shot in the arm.
I don't put them in NBA title contention, but you know,
they're a team in the first round that teams wouldn't
want to have to play, but I think that's their sailing.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Okay, So who is really entitled contention? That's the question,
right the Celtics. I think we're pretty what we know
pretty well, like Oklahoma City. The records great, they're a
year older, but last year they flamed out early in
the playoffs to the Mavericks. So who actually are the
teams that are in playoff contention? Forget about regular season records?
What people actually really believe?
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Yeah? I think Eastern Conference Celtics because defending champs, they
have most of their core back. Yeah, they've gone through
some struggles, but most of its championship hangover stuff Cleveland
because of how great of a start they've had. They've
really clicked on every single part of their offense with
their four all stars. Western Conference, and the feeling is
(23:53):
that it is Oklahoma City and everyone else. Yes, I
guess you still give a fighter chance to the Nuggets
because of the but I just don't trust their you know,
lack of depth. With Oklahoma City. They're not a team
without weakness. Yes, they're young, they have some rebounding issues.
But I think Shay he's an MVP candidate, you know,
(24:14):
the fact that they played really well without Chut Holmgren
and for some games about Isaya Hartenstein's shows that their
wing depth on both sides of the balls really good
and with their size that has given them a lot
of versatility. So I do give the edge to all
those three teams I mentioned, But unlike the Warriors dynasty years,
(24:34):
it's not a feeling of it's predetermined. This is the
NBA champion. Everyone's just going through the motions. It is
wide open, but there's definitely odds for those three teams
to win it all.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Stug gott Leeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
circle back to the Mavericks. Jason Kidd took a moment
to himself last night. Instead of answering questions, he looked
and sounded exhausted. What's how Like what's his status with Niko?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
How down would this plan?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Is?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
He?
Speaker 7 (25:07):
Well, he's saying all the company line things right now.
I mean, Nico made it clear in his press conference,
even if he hasn't been as available as much as
fans have wanted him to be when the tray went down,
he made it clear that he's the one who made
the decision. So all signs point to him. Jason Kidd's
been supportive of it. Now we know, obviously in this business,
(25:27):
people say things publicly and people say things privately, But
I haven't got any hint that Jason's not on board
with it. But as far as where their status is
and you know, any security, they're going to be evaluated
on this, not by this season, but you know next
few seasons from now, and there's no hiding behind it.
This is a huge gamble that they've made. You know,
(25:49):
if I were in their shoes, I wouldn't have done it.
But you know, I do understand the thought process going
into this season. There are a lot of people I
talked around the league that thought that the Mavericks are
one hit wonder When they got to the NBA Finals,
it wasn't sustainable. Now, in fairness, their criticism wasn't about Luca.
You know, some of those same executives are saying, hey,
Luca is my favorite to win MVP. It was just
(26:11):
the idea that the West is so loaded. Even though
they improved their supporting cast, they don't think it's quite enough.
Kyrie Irvings later in his career, Kway Thompson's not the
same player as he was pre Achilles and acl injury.
But you know, in its totality, there was a feeling,
you know, this isn't sustainable, so they decided to make
that decision to lean in on defense and see where
(26:31):
it goes. And you know, the only skepticism I have
is that this window is very short term. Ad Kyrie Clay.
They're on the later parts of their career where obviously
lucas a lot younger. But you know, we'll see what happens, obviously,
but nothing will happen after the season. If any changes happened,
it would be you know, future seasons from now.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Mark, thanks so much for join us. We really appreciate you,
enjoy All Star weekend.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Doug appreciate you as well. And I will never decline
your intro music on like this three point contest stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Mark the funky Cold Medina, longtime NBA reporter, our Fox
NBA inside. It's like his walk up music. Let's get
you to Dan Bayer and get you a quick already,
Dan did the update. I am my fault. I got
a little confused there, I was. I was so when
(27:23):
was the last time I can remember the last All
Star game? I actually watched. I mean it, don't get
me wrong, Like, have I been walking through an airport?
Have I been changing the channels and seeing the All
Star Game?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
But like actually sat down and watched. It was magic.
Johnson was at ninety three. He hit a fade away
to end the All Star Game. Like, that's it. I
haven't watched ever since.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You haven't watched in thirty two years?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
No?
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Wow, No, not even in passing.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Like I said, in passing, like I'm flipping around like
is it the Al Star Game? Okay? Next? You know,
it's like it's like when you're watching Seinfeld tonight.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, I'll stop on this channel.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Nope, I've seen this one. Yeah you know. Nope, Nope,
don't like that episode. Actually, yeah, it's it's something I
used to Seinfeld? Is that not it? I'm trying to
think of what a TV show I used to like
and now I turned on like, eh no, No, I
was never a Save by the Bell guy? Were you
guys saved by the Bell? Damn? Were you saved by
(28:24):
the Bell?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah? I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
I think I enjoyed it more maybe when I was
even older and more on the repeats than when it
actually was airing.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
But yeah, what was it?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Was it funny?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Just an easy watch? Yeah, it's just an easy easy watch.
Maybe the maybe the Bright Colors. I had no problem
with Saved by the Bell.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
A lot of people forget to Save by the Bell
was only on for like three or four seasons. It
didn't have that long over run. But in syndication and
in you know, reruns, its just it's lived on and
on and fate wit.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Wait, okay, I want, I want. What do we think?
Don't look look it up? Okay, don't look it up.
How many seasons Miss season? Sam? You said three or four?
How many seasons?
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I'll say four? Does this count that Miss Bliss season?
Like that's how the show started?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Wait? What?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It was not originally called Saved by the Bell.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
The show was actually built around the character of Miss Bliss,
who then was faded out, and it was more about
the six kids in the school.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
I don't remember Miss Bliss. I know mister Belding as
one of the adults and in the teens of course.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
But yes, it was a spin it's considered a spin
off of Good Morning Miss Bliss. Consider to spin off? Okay, again,
I don't know anything about missus.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Miss Bliss, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, four seasons is the answer.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
So just to track that conversation, Dan offered substance that
was fact, and then Doug confirmed it with a Wikipedia entry.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, pretty much what works.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
What's more perfect though than four seasons because it's like
you go freshman to senior.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I mean maybe that was just the perfect.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
You know, with no reclassification.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
The college years though, I watched the College Years.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
I remember this Saved by the Bell movie when they're
someone there. It was Zach and Kelly getting married in
Vegas and they're all trying to get there and like
someone's cars breaks, cars break down, and yeah they they
they uh, And then I think there was Saved by
the Bell the new class, So there was quite a
bit of the culture that continued after the original.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Saved by the Bell College Years was one year, so
apparently they were they were dropouts. They were dropped.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
The funny thing is is a c Slater was supposed
to wrestle at Iowa, but then they all decided to
go to the same school, which was like California State,
just a generic and so they're all together back together again.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I think, although who was the smart who is a C.
Speaker 6 (30:47):
Slater's girlfriend, Jesse Jesse span I think she went off
to like Princeton, but she would like make appearances or something.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
So is that Elizabeth, Yes, yeah, well she wanted to
go to stant Wizday Hanford.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Stansbury is what they call. Yeah, yes, yes, Stansbury West Coast.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Then they hired the guy from the Max to be
the guy from Harvard to show the lady from Stansbury
that Spana was Stansbury material.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I stepped into I stepped into Saved by the Bell
World and Dan is going like chapter verse, like if
you thought you knew about golf tournaments, the Iowa was amazing.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
We have the Iowa recruitment, I think in the system
because I put it in Slater's at the Max. The
head coach at Iowa walks into the Max. Slater goes,
that's the head coach at Iowa. C Slater offers him
a full ride on the spot and then says, I'll
see you in the fall. It was the quickest recruitment
in sports history.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's exactly how it works. But yes, that's how it works.
Although I will say if it was Iowa wrestling, it
actually would work that way, right, either Iowa, Penn State,
Oklahoma state. Right, it feels like those are the ones.
It would work out that way. But yeah, that's not
how it works. But maybe, I mean, I don't know,
maybe it does. What's weird They can use Iowa, I guess,
because the state's name, but they can't use Stanford because
(32:07):
the private school.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Is that really Yeah, maybe they didn't get the rights,
but Harvard was used.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
But was Yes, it feels like Stanford would be very
happy with their name being used.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Maybe because they read this script and didn't like how
they looked like uppity and snooty by denying Jesse Spannel
that they said, no dice on this, we will not
lend our name to this episode.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Okay, maybe Saved by the Bell is not the appropriate one.
I was never a huge Saved by the Bell guy,
but not that I was ever a huge All Star
game guy. Maybe it's the Cosby Show, right, Whereas when
The Cosby Show was out, it was literally the most
popular show on television, And now the Cosby Show comes on.
I don't even know if it runs in syndications since
(32:49):
since it does. Yeah, right, you're like, yeah, this.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Was funny mainstream Cable choice.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Wasn't really funny. Would like to talk to you about
the things that you're saying on the show.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Be sure to the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Elveraday. This time we
hand over Dearbyron play game.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
This is game time Game SAH on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
All Right, Doug, the game today is.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I Feel a Draft.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
We usually mix it up with I Feel a Draft,
but there are some staples and this is one of them.
The week after the Super Bowl we start to make
our predictions for next year. So today we are drafting
NFL teams that you think will win Super Bowl sixty,
coming up on February eighth of twenty twenty six in
Santa Clara. Doug, you are picking first. I will pick second,
(33:55):
Jason third, and then Sam as the back to back
as we reverse it in the second run, Doug, you
are on the clock. Who is your Super Bowl pick
for next season?
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Super Bowl pick for next season?
Speaker 4 (34:20):
The Philadelphia Eagles are plus five point fifty, Kansas City
Chiefs plus six hundred.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I'm gonna go Buffalo Bills. Next year's the Buffalo Bills.
All right, off the board is Buffalo. I'm gonna go
Baltimore Ravens. I think the early exit gives him a
little bit more rest and next several years then they
put it all, they put it all together. They've been Buffalo,
(34:49):
keep getting rested.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Jason, you're up at number three.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
I'm just gonna be very biased here and say the
Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, that was that was actually my other pick. It's
a good pick.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Mark the tape, right. You think they have a chance
for sure? It's not just you being a homer on them. Correct.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah. I mean they've got a full draft and free
agency with Harbaugh's guys, I think they're gonna be good.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Three AFC teams off the board and the Chiefs aren't
one of them. Will they go at number four? We'll
find out now, Iowa, Sam, you're on the clock.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
So you're telling me there's a chance, you know what,
I'm not gonna go with the Chiefs for this pick.
I'm gonna go with the Ravens. With the Ravens, that's
a good pick because I picked them two picks ago.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Oh, you take pay attention there, Sam, I.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was trying to find my.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You know that was available, the Bills and the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go bump the Chiefs
up to my fourth pick. I'm gonna take the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Why not? Why not?
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:53):
All right?
Speaker 6 (35:53):
And then with my fifth, the fifth overall pick, I'm
gonna take the Rams, the Rams.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
This this is crazy right now? All right? Jason, You're
back on the class six. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
I mean, I can't believe that you guys left me
at the sixth pick. The back to back Eagles championships, Yeah,
it happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
When they went back to back.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
I think Sam would have thought about it, but he
was flustered by the thought about the Eagles. That flustered
that you got it mixed up.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
I see, Sam, I haven't think.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
About the Eagles because you picked the Ravens. Then you
picked two other teams that weren't named the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I just think of AFC comes back, okay to win it.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
Okay, I'm gonna pick the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Let's go with the Texans.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Okay. I want to pick Kansay the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I mean, Sam did oh, who's listening?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Now yeah, Sam took the called sarcasm.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
Oh no, I think you actually picked the Chiefs carrying
to ravage ravage yeah yeah, uh ten seconds?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Uh hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I
think the Niners the Niners. The Niners don't call a
COT throw back Thursday, coming out next do Gotli Show,
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