September 4, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug gives his opinion on the quarterback situation with the Broncos in the wake of their star corner's Patrick Surtain's contract extension. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst Daniel Jeremiah to talk about the Chargers, 49ers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Kind of interesting. I guess the story of today is
Patrick Shirtain's going to get a four year deal ninety
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six million dollars. He becomes the highest paid cornerback in
the NFL at twenty four million dollars. Jared Alexander place
for the Packers at twenty one million, AJ terrell Is
twenty million, Denzel twenty million, Jalen Ramsey twenty million. Top
paid wide receivers make more at thirty five, thirty, four, thirty, two,
thirty and thirty being Brandon New York being the fifth
highest paid wide receiver in per year salary. But you know,
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to me, I hear this story, and two things I
think are really interesting. One, it's weird which guys who
are sons of pros we lock onto and we care
about Patrick Shirtan obviously son of a pro and a
good one. The second part to it is it's just
hard to talk about anything Broncos without concentrating on the
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quarterback position, you know, without any without discussing the quarterback position,
Like it's impossible to talk about the Denver Broncos. And
I think what's most interesting is if we look at
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a couple things. You know, this time of year, we
usually make general predictions. And I remember when they traded
for Russell Wilson. I have to tell you I thought
it was a home run. I've been wrong about a lot.
You do this for twenty one, twenty two years, You're
gonna be wrong about a lot of things. That's just reality.
I know what happens is you get trolled when Steph
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Curry has an unbelievable game for USA basketball. I get trolled,
right you name it, guys at Lamar Jackson, I thought
sam Don would be better than Lamar Jackson. You get trolled,
but if you do it for twenty twe twenty two years,
you know you're gonna run into way more often than
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not people who remember way back in the past something
you may have said. But I want you to think
about something. Okay, can you name the Broncos quarterbacks and
the passer lead passing leaders, because there's more than one
for most of these seasons for the Denver Bronco since
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Peyton Manning retired. Can you remember, okay, Trevor Simeon, Case, Keenum,
Joe Flacco, Drew Locked, Teddy Bridgewater, Russell Wilson. And you
know now they're gonna try a rookie right now, a
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very a rookie who's played just a ton, a crap
ton of college football, but a rookie nonetheless. So I
look at this thing and I think, no matter what
you tell me about their defense, and I understand when
you have quarterbacks not making a ton of money, that
you can spend a bunch of money on the defense.
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Like I'm fully well aware, well versed in how the
business of the NFL works. So maybe that's the story.
Although they're still paying Russell Wilson's bill is still on
this year's salary. But I look at the Denver Broncos
and you know, I look at those names since Peyton
Manning retired, and I think, can bo Nis be the
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stabilizing force? Can he get multi years as a starter?
Can he just be solid? Forget about can he be
a star? Can he be solid? And this is for
Sean Payton, Like this is a Sean Payton. It didn't
work with Russell Wilson, but that wasn't your guy. This
is your hand picked quarterback for your own new franchise.
You have basic autonomy in who you pick and what
you want to do. If you can't get this right,
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it just shows how hard it is to get it right.
But it's like, it's fascinating to me. I we want
to do a midway about all the big storylines in
the NFL. When I think Broncos, I don't care about
anything other than quarterback, anything other than quarterback, where Whereas
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I don't think that's the storyline for most teams in
the NFL. Some sure, you know you're the Washington Commanders
and you've been waiting. I mean when Alex Smith was
healthy before he shredded his knee and had seventeen surgeries
on or whatever. You were in first place in the
NFC East, we got hurt. Your entire franchise fell apart.
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Ownership has changed. Now you got some clown VP on
some date where he's saying negative things about the team
and about the league. So the Washington Commanders, they're about
the quarterback. You got a new coach, you got Cliff Kingsbury,
You've got an E league quarterback or talent at quarterback.
It's about the quarterback. The Denver Broncos, it's about the quarterback.
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But like for the Chargers, I think it's just more
about the little things that the previous coaching staffs didn't do.
And does Justin Herbert fit this style, for Lamar Jackson,
for Dak Prescott, for Brock Purty. None of this matters
until you get to the playoffs anyway, it just doesn't.
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But I think the Denver Broncos. When I hear Broncos,
the only thing that I think about is, well, I
wonder if bo Nicks is as good as I think
he is or hope he is. And I can only
think of a handful of teams where it's really that
cut and dry that it's about the quarterback, even though
most of these teams are about the quarterback. I forget
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who said it yesterday, like, well, you know, he's always
he's not very good with the back of the quarterback.
Nobody's good with the back of the quarterback unless you
fall into it, Tom Brady, unless you fall into it,
or you draft and develop a Jordan Love, you know,
or Jalen Hurts, you know, who develops over time. Generally, though,
you get to your backup quarterback, and that guy is
a backup for a reason, especially when you have a
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big name starter. But I think, you know, for brock Perty,
it's what's the ceiling there? For Lamar Jackson, it's can
he do it? In the playoffs? For the dev Broncos
is can they get competent quarterback play out of a Knicks?
And there's very few players where the bar is set
that low. But it's this interesting and they've created a
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lot like Chicago Bears, they've created a pretty softening spot
for their rookie quarterback. Let's see if he can take
care of it. Let's see if he can take advantage
of it. He may, he may not. He may, he
may not, but it is interesting that the highest paid
wide receivers make ten million dollars plus more a year
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than the highest paid cornerbacks. You could make the argument
that an elite quarter cornerback is as or more valuable
to a team than elite wide receiver, but the salaries
haven't caught up. It's a lot like a tight end
to a wide receiver. Right tight ends block cam block.
Tight ends can make tough catches. Tight ends also can volume.
Mark Andrews can make volumes of catches, but his numbers,
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no matter how highly paid he'spin, has never gotten anywhere
near that of the wide receiver market. Is a weird
thing in the NFL. What we value and what we
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Patrick Shirtan gets a four year, ninety six million dollars
a year deal it is. It does a yearly average
twenty four million, which is three million more than jyr Alexander.
That's set in the market. Let's changing the market, but
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it's still eleven million dollars below out of Justin Jefferson.
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The crown is yours. You asked about this story, and
I gotta be honest with you, Jay stew I don't
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know what the deal is, but I can tell you
that again, optics wise, it looks terrible. So here's the story,
Penny Hardaway. Today, today is September fourth. We start school
here at UW Green Bay today. So we've had meetings.
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We are going to add a staff member. We potentially
have like I don't know, forty eight hours to add
if we want to add one more player. But it's
super super interesting. What happened at Memphis today where they
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brought in eight new players. That's not all that new.
But today they fired four members of their staff. Rick Stansbury,
longtime head coach at Mississippi State and then Western Kentucky.
He's the old head on the staff. He was let go.
Froggy Phillips and Jamie Rosser were let go. So was
Demetrius Dyson, who's like a special advisor. You know, that's
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like a non benefits sort of position. But you get
five assistants, and three of them you fire when school's
already started. I just something's up there. I have no
idea what it is. You know, if it was one
guy and one incident, by all means, then you know,
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not that big a deal. The only thing potentially I
could see in terms of Penny taking back his program.
And I don't know any of this to be true,
but it's just the idea of Hey, whether there was
a coup or whether it was guys talking ish about
Penny or part of the staff and he just heard
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about it and got rid of all of them. But
I can't imagine even starting today, we have not started school.
When I get done with this show at four o'clock Central,
time we begin practice at four fifteen, imagine me like, okay,
we've already started. Now I got to find four new
assistant coaches. You can find them, but just getting them
all up and running that that is hard. Is there
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the chance there that there's something in terms of academics
and getting guys eligible that they found out and anybody
involved is gone.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
That seems most logical, right, It seems most logical because
here's here's what happens. And you have to be very
very purposeful about what you say to your staff.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's like I have coaches. Each coach is assigned to
a player, not one player, to several. They have like
four players, right, and of those guys like academics that
I just don't have the time to be looking at
each of their classes. They do. They got four guys.
They look through all four guys classes every day or whatever.
And many of these players take mostly if not all,
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online classes. But you can't. That laptop has to be
in the hands of the player. They can ask you questions,
you can give them, and of course you got to
have academic people. But to me, there's only two possibilities.
One is the outs very outside chance that there was
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a coup. I don't think that took place. Rick Stansbury
knows the deal. I don't see that happening. The more
likely thing is something in regards to academics and NCAA compliance,
and I don't think it has anything to do with money.
And guys got caught up in the wash. I saw
this or I heard this, and I thought it was
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really interesting, really really interesting. It's Brandon and Yuke talking
about he making a mission. I think it's interesting. I
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Speaker 6 (13:11):
I think I'm not gonna lie I made a little
bit more difficult than it needed to at the end.
But yeah, it was. I mean it was it was
like that from from I'm not gonna say the whole
entire time, but uh, for about the past month, I
think we're we were pretty good.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, so look this is I talked about this. I
use real estate as the analogy. Call it chasing the market, okay,
and I think most of us know somebody in our
neighborhood is chased the market, especially right now. Like home sales.
The rates have drop, but schools back in sessions. So
home sales, it hasn't been a great year or so,
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and relatively it's kind of a flat time of year, right,
But there'll be somebody who, you know, the Smiths down
the street sold their house for one hundred grand over asking.
You know, they got seven to eighty for a house
that they have the mark for six eighty. And it
was a bit of a bidding war. And Jim comes
home and he tells Margaret, Margaret, we're selling the house.
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The Smiths sold theirs for seven eighty. Ours has got
a nicer pool to sell our house. Mark's like, I
don't know, Jim, I don't know. It's a weird time
of year. School's already in session. Margaret, I got this.
Rates have dropped, we have the comps, we move the house.
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We'll go and you can do your magic to another house.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But what happens is if you put your house on
the mark for too much money, and then it sits
and sits and sits, and then you lower the price
to the price it should have been to begin with. Well,
somebody looks like it's like, why has the houseman house
been on the market for three four months? What do
I not know that somebody else knows? And you end
up selling it for far less than you ever wanted
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to because you chase the market from putting in a
position too high. I didn't think I you chased it
that much, but you listen to him and he did
say basically, hey, we came on too strong from the start.
That's welcome in. Daniel Jeremiah DJ joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio Live inthtyrack
dot Com Studios. End of the day, they get Trent Williams,
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they get Brandon Ayuk one last year of Brock Purdy
at this very very reasonable rate at quarterback. What are
your thoughts on the Niners likely that of getting back
to a Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (15:32):
Well, I think they're obviously all in right now, and
it's I want to say now or never, because you
know they're not going anywhere. But I do think there
are some key players on this team that you could
start seeing a little bit of decline. And I think
they're smart by Trent Williams, who's you know, he's.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Played great, but at his age, you know that.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
At some point in time that's going to start to
slow down a little bit. So, you know, I kind
of think that's good agent things and smart on his
on his behalf to get the.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
New deal done. But I just look at it as
we start the.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Season, Doug, and I'm I'm looking at them, and I'm
looking at the NFC, and I know everybody's kind of
talked about them as the overwhelming favorite. I just I
go back to the game that they've played against the Lions,
which the Lions had a great opportunity to win, and
I look at the age of the key players on
that team versus some of the key players on the Niners,
and I feel like the Lions are going to be
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better and I feel like the Niners are trying to
hold serve here. So I'm I'm leaning towards the Lions
in the NFC this year.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, what are the Lions missing in your mind?
Speaker 7 (16:40):
Pull The secondary was the you know, major issue for
them last year. So they go out and they draft
Terry and Arnold, they draft Inness Rake Straw, they get
two really young talented corners. They make a trade. Oh gosh,
Jamel Dean comes in. So they've they've done things to
try and to try and upgrade that secondary. Now we
got to wait and see it, see how it all
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comes together. But they've they were aggressive and attacking their
greatest weakness and offensively. I think one of the biggest
storylines that maybe never gets discussed was if I would
have told you at the end of the year, after
the way the Lions offense played, and told you the
number of head coaching jobs that were open that the
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Lions are going to be able to retain Ben Johnson
as their offensive coordinator. That was huge, absolutely huge for them.
And by the way, Carlton Davis, not Jamel Deane, a
former Bucks corner, got the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, no, it happens. It happens. I mean, you have
a thousand names in your head. Every once in a
while you're going to get one first name wrong. That
does happen. Daniel Jeremiah joining us. It's interesting. We're talking
about Patrick Sertain's contract and it's great. He's tell tremendous players.
Son of a pro all that stuff, But it's like
Denver Broncos, their season, their future, everything really rests on
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what they figured out the quarterback stition.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Now, no, I think that's accurate. You know, it's at
the end of the day, we can go through and
preview all these teams and talk about hopes and dreams
and rosters and offensive line and defensive line. I don't
want to oversimplify it, but you know, it's hard for
me to envision the Broncos having a really good year
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without bo Nix having a really good year. And I mean,
I think those fortunes are directly tied to one another.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I do support I'd love.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
To get your take on this, Doug, because you look
at things from an outside perspective and just an overall
sports perspective. One of the things, and maybe it came
out a little bit with the Brian Flores to us stuff,
but I've always felt with young players, I don't know
that you can pump enough confidence into them like that
car runs on confidence. So when I see I think
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Caleb Williams was named the starter, sorry, was named the captain.
Bo Nix was named the captain. Like I've never understood
the reluctance to praise young players when it feels like,
to me, man, the confidence is so fragile, to just
pump them full of it, I think is a good move.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well, it's interesting you bring it up. I do think
that while confidence has always been an issue for all athletes,
I think it's an even bigger issue now. Right, Like
we've all all guys have insecurities, but now when everything
is public, from who you're dating, what you're driving, how
much you make everything, everybody knows everything. There's some have
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little imposter syndrome, some just have jealousy. Whatever it is.
There's all kinds of insecurities out there. So yeah, why
don't they do it more well? Because again it's the
fight between old and new school. Make him earn it
before you give him praise. You can't have a rookie
be a captain. I'd give it to an old veteran, etcetera, etcetera.
It's it's the trying to get out of the way
of the old ways. Would be my best guess.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, I think the other thing I would you know
that I always pay attention to is you know, press conferences,
postgame comments from coaches on young quarterbacks, and I've just
there's time for criticism, and I'm taking that behind closed
doors with the young guys. And there's ways to kind of,
you know, hey, we'll hold them accountable in front of
the team and do those things. But I've never understood
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it doesn't happen a lot. But there are examples of
guys of coaches who are kind of, you know, somewhat
hyper critical of young players right after a game. And
I'm going like, do you know how fragile this is
with these guys, Like this is not the way.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
To go No, not the way to go in in
any way. I actually, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Can I ask you? This is okay? So in and
I know, but it's a non football more just kind
of gauging your thoughts because again, you're outside of the
the box of who I normally ask. So I have media.
We have Horizon League Media Day in two weeks, fourteen days, yeah, exactly,
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September eighteenth in Indianapolis. And I have how many guys
I have? I have or I have like counting walk ons,
I have fourteen you guys, I got a lot of
guys to choose from. Now I have two returners that
are really good, solid kids. Man. They represent everything you'd
want in any university, and they're gonna play. They're good players.
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But part of me wants to give that experience to
at least one of the younger guys, not just because
he's one that I brought in and I recruited, but
just kind of a different perspective, different voice, different representation.
How much do you think that matters in the locker room,
like who I picked to go to media day?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Well, I think it matters today more than it would
have when we were growing up and playing. But I
think I think as long as you articulate the reasons
for whoever you choose, I think you'll be okay. I
think the times where that gets off the rails and
maybe it's a little squirrely is when everybody in the
team just kind of finds out who you're taking to
that thing and nobody has any explanation for it, you know.
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I think that's when you get the back talk, you know,
or people talking and close corners, and that's the last
thing you want. So I think as long as you're hey, guys,
this is not this is just what it is. Don't
make it more than it is but I'm taking this
player in this player. I've taken this player because of
what he's meant to this program in the past and
his leadership. And I'm taking this player because I want
to take somebody from this group of all you young
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guys that have come in here and give you guys
a voice for what we're trying to do here. So
I think as long as you communicate that, I think
you're good.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Danie Jeremiah joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Let me ask you about a
couple of these other teams. Let's talk Packers. Okay, I
think Look, Jordan Love is way better than anybody thought
he would be. Last year. There were some moments you're like, Okay,
Now they give him a gigantic contract, and of course
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with that comes gigantic expectations. Still a relatively young football team,
and as you mentioned, they got the lines in this division.
Bear's got to be better offensively. We'll see on the Vikings.
You know you and I are both big Sam Donald. Guys,
will the performance meet the expectations for Jordan Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
I'm curious on them. I think a lot of people
have made some assumptions that that growth is linear for
players and for teams. So you know, look, I I
just made that statement about the Lions and how they
have all these young talented players and I think they're
just on the ascension, but they have a quarterback who's
a little more seasoned and a little more weathered. So
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I don't think with all quarterbacks. I mean, we've seen it,
like Josh Allen's a great example of you know, we've
seen you know, he's an amazing player. But there's been
some dips along the along the journey, and I don't
think that I don't think it's reasonable to expect that
Jordan Love is going to be on this uh steady
upward trajectory. I think there'll be some bumps along the road.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I'm with them.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
I'm almost more curious to see how the uh, you know,
we're just gonna spread the ball around. They have all
these you know, really really good B level receivers that
you know, eventually somebody's going to want to be the
alpha of that group. A who's that going to be?
And be?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
How does that?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
How does that shake out with the rest of the room.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so I'm told that Jayce, do you have some some
research on the Padres for DJ.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I went to work, h while you guys chatted about football,
I went to work. I promised Daniel that I would
do this because I'm you know, I'm that guy. Fernando
Tatis had his big return to the Padres lineup yesterday,
and I know Padre fans are excited. I have a
feeling Daniel is, but I just want to be the
guy that offers a little balance in this moment. The
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record of the Padres this year when Tattoos is in
the lineup is five hundred. Remember when the Padres almost
went to the World Series in twenty twenty two, That
just it happened to be the year that Fernando Tattoos
will suspend it for the entire season. He returned last
year and they went eighty two and eighty. So what
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does that tell a Dodger fan about Fernando Tatisa's return
to the lineup.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
It's a great It's a great point, and it's one
that if it's the very surfacy level conversation, you can
probably get away with that argument. But let's add some
facts onto this. Let's start first of all at twenty
twenty two. Fernando did not play in twenty two. He
played the year before twenty one. They weren't as good.
You know who wasn't there in twenty one, a guy
by the name of one Soto who came over halfway
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to the year there, So you have Manny Machado has
the monster year. One Sodo is in the mix. He
has a monster year.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Then you look.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
At you know, last year, the most unlucky team in baseball,
and that the metrics were ridiculous just in terms of
how unlucky they were, one one run games, all that crap.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Let's get to this year.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Jay Stu Manny Machado, who has off season elbow surgery.
He starts off the year. The first month he hit
two seventeen. The second month he hit twoin fifty eight.
Then he hit two thirty. Those are his first three months.
Now the elbow's healthy, and that coincides with when tattooth
is gone. He hits three point thirty three. Then he
comes back, he hits a zillion home runs six home runs.
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In the next month, he's hitting three h two with
seven home runs in this in July. I mean, the
guy's been on fire.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
So now we.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Get to add Tatoeths to a healthy machado. And that's
why all my Dodgers fans are scared to death about
that five game series.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
We're fixing the.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Half here in a month or so.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Dodger fan reaction.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I'm going to respond with a phrase that Adam Carolla
once said over the Earth. This guarantees me a tie? Right,
you guys ready for it?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I'm ready?
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Yeah? But still, what's the.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Season series between those two teams this year?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Jay Stu curious?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I forget?
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Yeah, yeah, we already, we already clinched that we still
have three more with you, guys.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I ask you this all summer long, and now we've
had a chance. You've had a chance to call people.
Give me somebody that we should be paying attention to
as a team, like they're prettydamn good?
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Oh well, I mean there is. This is the conversation
that I have every years. I call around the people
during roster cuts, yep, and I'd say who had the
toughest decisions and who cut the best players?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Sure, because that means they that means they have good
players that they had to make our decision.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
It was the Jets, Doug, the Jets. They everybody I
talked to you, they had several they had a.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Couple of corners get claimed. Their defensive line is stacked.
Like defensively, they are absolutely loaded.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Now they're the m of that defense is really talented.
But they take a lot of chances. Now, maybe they
took a lot of chances because who their quarterback was
last year, but it was there was some a lack
of discipline, was was what I had heard.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Yeah, I think they can rush for even without his
soundddick and hopefully that eventually gets figured out. But even
without him, I think they can rush forward. They can
smother you in the second aarya. But they just gave
their nickel back ten million dollars a year, Michael Carter,
because he's one of those people, not many one of
those guys not many people are aware of. But it's
probably the best nickel in the league. They're absolutely loaded
on defense.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay, give me somebody. Everybody's talking about who they're not
that good. I have one. It's pretty obvious, but I
give me to give you one.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Here.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Everybody's talking about that's not that good. Yeah, Well, everybody
still I know a lot of there's still some skepticism
about the Bears from people that I talked to just
about you know, how good is the offensive line? Love
the skill, but the offensive line is still a little
bit of a question mark there.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I was going to go with with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Yeah, their offensive lines beat up too, and we don't
know what we're going to get a quarterback, so it's fair.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And when you don't know what you're going to get
a quarterback and the offensive line is beat up, that's
a problem. That's that's a problem. That's a problem.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
DJ.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You ready for the Bolts?
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Oh dude, I cannot wait. Picked up my chart today
to call this game on Sunday, Chargers Raiders. It's gonna
be I mean, this is the most anticipated Charger opener
I can't remember, just because of you know, Harbaugh's presence,
and nobody knows exactly what this is going to look like,
and I can't wait for it to get here.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And of course having Tom Telesco, a mutual friend of ours,
who is the former general manager of the Chargers, being
the general manager of the Raiders makes it makes it
weird as an understatement, like general managers don't you jon't
get another gentle manager job, let alone the next year,
let alone with the arch rival of the other team.
That's that's crazy, DJ, You're the best. Appreciate joining us.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Thanks brother.
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Speaker 8 (30:16):
Danny, I was gonna wait for my music, Doug, but
this will work on the podcast. But I will say this, Doug.
One time on the show, you made a comment that
everybody likes a said song and Jason immediately Jason Stewart
shot back and said, I don't like No. No, he
didn't say that. He just said that's that not everybody
likes that song. Like there's somebody out there that doesn't
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like the song. This would be one of the songs
that I don't know if I've ever met anyone that
doesn't like Don't Dream It's over. So to your point, Doug,
like I love this song, You're singing along with it.
Sam obviously played it for a reason. I know that's
three of eight billion, but like it's I mean, this
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is a this is a great, great song.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And there's crowded house correct crowded house production.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know how you know how much Sam loves it.
He loves it so much that he totally forgot to
get the intro to the game. He wanted to enjoy
it that way.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
This is game time. It had gone miss on the
Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
And another music memorable.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it was great. I have a question for you,
the Dan. Yes, can I read you the first verse
and you tell me what it means? Sure, there's a
freedom within, There's a freedom without trying to catch the
deluge in a paper cup. There's a battle ahead. Many
battles are lost, but you never see the end of
the road while you're traveling with me. Hey now, hey, now,
(31:45):
don't dream it's over. Hey now, hey, now, when the
world comes in, they come to build a wall between us.
We know they won't win. Now I'm towing my car.
There's a hole in the roof. My possessions are causing
me suspicion, but there's proof in the paper today.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
Tales of war and song.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, well again, but where is the I the world
is trying to build a wall? Or is the relationship over?
I'm struggling with that.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
No.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
I think what he's saying is that those he and
his partner are there's a lot going on in their lives,
and there's a lot that they're trying to take on,
and there are a lot of outside factors that are
trying to break up this relationship. But hey, don't dream
it's over.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
It's one of those rare songs that have esoteric lyrics
that are open for interpretation.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
I think it's deep, man, I think.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It's super deep. My possessions are like, yeah, okay, sorry, Dan,
I apologize. I just we started talking about a song
the ADHD kicked in. I'm like the dog Doug in
up or all of a sudden, and I started talking
about music lyrics. My apologies.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
That's all right. The game today is for better or worse?
All right, this is quite the card we've got today.
Seven bouts and we starts in an AFC contender showdown, Dougas.
The NFL season is upon US Ravens versus Texans. Not
necessarily who would win that game, But who's better or
(33:20):
who's worse. Ravens versus Texans in our first AFC Contender showdown.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Hmmm, Ravens Texans the rematch of a playoff game.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Yeah, Ravens one handedly beat him twice last year the
Ravens did.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I'm still gonna go with the Ravens. Okay, I'm
still going to go with the Ravens. And I remember
those Year one of the Ravens in their new offense. Granted,
everything was year one for the Houston Texans, but I
think there's another. They added Derrick Henry, so I continue
to think that they're going to commit to running the football.
But I still I'll take the Ravens.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
In another AFC Contender showdown, Bills versus Bengals.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Wow, wow, Bengels never get off to a good start. Ever,
I'll go Bills Bills. A lot of people think the
Bills aren't as good. I think the Bills might not
be as talented, but they may be a better team.
Even though Stefan.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Diggs moving over to the NFC for better or worse,
Doug this matchup Lions versus Eagles.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Lions versus Eagles, I mean, all we can go off
was how they were trending. At the end of the year.
The Lions looked like one of the best teams in
football and the Eagles look like like complete frauds from
being ten too. Granted it was a different season. They've
added personnel, I get it. And remember the Eagles went
out and added a big time running back in Saquon Barklay.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
I'm not trying to nitpick here, but I would disagree
that the premise is the only thing we can go
off of is how they end last year. There's a draft,
there's free agency, there's coaching changes. There's a lot that
could be at play here.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But yeah, I would take for better or force. I'm
gonna take the Eagles for better. Okay, you guys know
I'm not a huge Yalen Hurts fan, but I also.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Vic Fangio is not running their defense.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I love Vic Fangels defense. He's not easy to deal with,
but he's a very good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
All right, all right? For better or Worse? Doug NFC
contender showdown Bears versus Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'm gonna take the Cowboys. Take the Cowboys. I love
the Bears being the flavor of the month. Everybody loving
the Bears. It's good to see the Bears have I
think Calebaying is gonna be a really good quarterback. But
Cowboys have been good for a couple of years. They're
gonna be good. Get now. There is one thing that
I don't think enough people are mentioning about the Dallas Cowboys.
What's the biggest change in the Cowboys from last year
(35:54):
this year? Dan dan Byer, they have no running back?
Well there's that.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Yeah, Oh City Lamb got paid, but he contract, he was,
but he was he was there last year, right.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I think the biggest thing is I love Mike Zimmer,
but he's a different defense coordinator than the one they had,
and they were really good the past couple of years defensively.
Now Zim's great as defense coordinator. I didn't love him
a zad coach. I wonder how that works, but it
is a different defense. As you point out, there's more
things than just what we saw at the end of
last year. Coaching changes are big.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I think the Bears will be carried by their defense, Yes,
until Caleb Williams gets adjusted, and their defense is going
to be one of the best in the NFL. All right,
Final one for better or worse? Doug. Super Bowl host
city last year was Vegas, this year it's New Orleans.
What's better or worse?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I actually think New Orleans is better. The food's more unique,
the quarter is more unique. It's a great events city.
I'm gonna go. Vegas was cool. I'm gonna go with
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Kind of interesting. I guess the story of today is
Patrick Shirtain's going to get a four year deal ninety
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six million dollars. He becomes the highest paid cornerback in
the NFL at twenty four million dollars. Jared Alexander place
for the Packers at twenty one million, AJ terrell Is
twenty million, Denzel twenty million, Jalen Ramsey twenty million. Top
paid wide receivers make more at thirty five, thirty, four, thirty, two,
thirty and thirty being Brandon New York being the fifth
highest paid wide receiver in per year salary. But you know,
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to me, I hear this story, and two things I
think are really interesting. One, it's weird which guys who
are sons of pros we lock onto and we care
about Patrick Shirtan obviously son of a pro and a
good one. The second part to it is it's just
hard to talk about anything Broncos without concentrating on the
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quarterback position, you know, without any without discussing the quarterback position,
Like it's impossible to talk about the Denver Broncos. And
I think what's most interesting is if we look at
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a couple things. You know, this time of year, we
usually make general predictions. And I remember when they traded
for Russell Wilson. I have to tell you I thought
it was a home run. I've been wrong about a lot.
You do this for twenty one, twenty two years, You're
gonna be wrong about a lot of things. That's just reality.
I know what happens is you get trolled when Steph
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Curry has an unbelievable game for USA basketball. I get trolled,
right you name it, guys at Lamar Jackson, I thought
sam Don would be better than Lamar Jackson. You get trolled,
but if you do it for twenty twe twenty two years,
you know you're gonna run into way more often than
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not people who remember way back in the past something
you may have said. But I want you to think
about something. Okay, can you name the Broncos quarterbacks and
the passer lead passing leaders, because there's more than one
for most of these seasons for the Denver Bronco since
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Peyton Manning retired. Can you remember, okay, Trevor Simeon, Case, Keenum,
Joe Flacco, Drew Locked, Teddy Bridgewater, Russell Wilson. And you
know now they're gonna try a rookie right now, a
(03:25):
very a rookie who's played just a ton, a crap
ton of college football, but a rookie nonetheless. So I
look at this thing and I think, no matter what
you tell me about their defense, and I understand when
you have quarterbacks not making a ton of money, that
you can spend a bunch of money on the defense.
(03:45):
Like I'm fully well aware, well versed in how the
business of the NFL works. So maybe that's the story.
Although they're still paying Russell Wilson's bill is still on
this year's salary. But I look at the Denver Broncos
and you know, I look at those names since Peyton
Manning retired, and I think, can bo Nis be the
(04:08):
stabilizing force? Can he get multi years as a starter?
Can he just be solid? Forget about can he be
a star? Can he be solid? And this is for
Sean Payton, Like this is a Sean Payton. It didn't
work with Russell Wilson, but that wasn't your guy. This
is your hand picked quarterback for your own new franchise.
You have basic autonomy in who you pick and what
you want to do. If you can't get this right,
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it just shows how hard it is to get it right.
But it's like, it's fascinating to me. I we want
to do a midway about all the big storylines in
the NFL. When I think Broncos, I don't care about
anything other than quarterback, anything other than quarterback, where Whereas
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I don't think that's the storyline for most teams in
the NFL. Some sure, you know you're the Washington Commanders
and you've been waiting. I mean when Alex Smith was
healthy before he shredded his knee and had seventeen surgeries
on or whatever. You were in first place in the
NFC East, we got hurt. Your entire franchise fell apart.
(05:11):
Ownership has changed. Now you got some clown VP on
some date where he's saying negative things about the team
and about the league. So the Washington Commanders, they're about
the quarterback. You got a new coach, you got Cliff Kingsbury,
You've got an E league quarterback or talent at quarterback.
It's about the quarterback. The Denver Broncos, it's about the quarterback.
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But like for the Chargers, I think it's just more
about the little things that the previous coaching staffs didn't do.
And does Justin Herbert fit this style, for Lamar Jackson,
for Dak Prescott, for Brock Purty. None of this matters
until you get to the playoffs anyway, it just doesn't.
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But I think the Denver Broncos. When I hear Broncos,
the only thing that I think about is, well, I
wonder if bo Nicks is as good as I think
he is or hope he is. And I can only
think of a handful of teams where it's really that
cut and dry that it's about the quarterback, even though
most of these teams are about the quarterback. I forget
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who said it yesterday, like, well, you know, he's always
he's not very good with the back of the quarterback.
Nobody's good with the back of the quarterback unless you
fall into it, Tom Brady, unless you fall into it,
or you draft and develop a Jordan Love, you know,
or Jalen Hurts, you know, who develops over time. Generally, though,
you get to your backup quarterback, and that guy is
a backup for a reason, especially when you have a
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big name starter. But I think, you know, for brock Perty,
it's what's the ceiling there? For Lamar Jackson, it's can
he do it? In the playoffs? For the dev Broncos
is can they get competent quarterback play out of a Knicks?
And there's very few players where the bar is set
that low. But it's this interesting and they've created a
(06:57):
lot like Chicago Bears, they've created a pretty softening spot
for their rookie quarterback. Let's see if he can take
care of it. Let's see if he can take advantage
of it. He may, he may not. He may, he
may not, but it is interesting that the highest paid
wide receivers make ten million dollars plus more a year
(07:19):
than the highest paid cornerbacks. You could make the argument
that an elite quarter cornerback is as or more valuable
to a team than elite wide receiver, but the salaries
haven't caught up. It's a lot like a tight end
to a wide receiver. Right tight ends block cam block.
Tight ends can make tough catches. Tight ends also can volume.
Mark Andrews can make volumes of catches, but his numbers,
(07:41):
no matter how highly paid he'spin, has never gotten anywhere
near that of the wide receiver market. Is a weird
thing in the NFL. What we value and what we
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Patrick Shirtan gets a four year, ninety six million dollars
a year deal it is. It does a yearly average
twenty four million, which is three million more than jyr Alexander.
That's set in the market. Let's changing the market, but
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it's still eleven million dollars below out of Justin Jefferson.
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The crown is yours. You asked about this story, and
I gotta be honest with you, Jay stew I don't
(08:58):
know what the deal is, but I can tell you
that again, optics wise, it looks terrible. So here's the story,
Penny Hardaway. Today, today is September fourth. We start school
here at UW Green Bay today. So we've had meetings.
(09:22):
We are going to add a staff member. We potentially
have like I don't know, forty eight hours to add
if we want to add one more player. But it's
super super interesting. What happened at Memphis today where they
(09:42):
brought in eight new players. That's not all that new.
But today they fired four members of their staff. Rick Stansbury,
longtime head coach at Mississippi State and then Western Kentucky.
He's the old head on the staff. He was let go.
Froggy Phillips and Jamie Rosser were let go. So was
Demetrius Dyson, who's like a special advisor. You know, that's
(10:04):
like a non benefits sort of position. But you get
five assistants, and three of them you fire when school's
already started. I just something's up there. I have no
idea what it is. You know, if it was one
guy and one incident, by all means, then you know,
(10:26):
not that big a deal. The only thing potentially I
could see in terms of Penny taking back his program.
And I don't know any of this to be true,
but it's just the idea of Hey, whether there was
a coup or whether it was guys talking ish about
Penny or part of the staff and he just heard
(10:46):
about it and got rid of all of them. But
I can't imagine even starting today, we have not started school.
When I get done with this show at four o'clock Central,
time we begin practice at four fifteen, imagine me like, okay,
we've already started. Now I got to find four new
assistant coaches. You can find them, but just getting them
all up and running that that is hard. Is there
(11:14):
the chance there that there's something in terms of academics
and getting guys eligible that they found out and anybody
involved is gone.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
That seems most logical, right, It seems most logical because
here's here's what happens. And you have to be very
very purposeful about what you say to your staff.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
It's like I have coaches. Each coach is assigned to
a player, not one player, to several. They have like
four players, right, and of those guys like academics that
I just don't have the time to be looking at
each of their classes. They do. They got four guys.
They look through all four guys classes every day or whatever.
And many of these players take mostly if not all,
(12:01):
online classes. But you can't. That laptop has to be
in the hands of the player. They can ask you questions,
you can give them, and of course you got to
have academic people. But to me, there's only two possibilities.
One is the outs very outside chance that there was
(12:23):
a coup. I don't think that took place. Rick Stansbury
knows the deal. I don't see that happening. The more
likely thing is something in regards to academics and NCAA compliance,
and I don't think it has anything to do with money.
And guys got caught up in the wash. I saw
this or I heard this, and I thought it was
(12:44):
really interesting, really really interesting. It's Brandon and Yuke talking
about he making a mission. I think it's interesting. I
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Speaker 6 (13:11):
I think I'm not gonna lie I made a little
bit more difficult than it needed to at the end.
But yeah, it was. I mean it was it was
like that from from I'm not gonna say the whole
entire time, but uh, for about the past month, I
think we're we were pretty good.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, so look this is I talked about this. I
use real estate as the analogy. Call it chasing the market, okay,
and I think most of us know somebody in our
neighborhood is chased the market, especially right now. Like home sales.
The rates have drop, but schools back in sessions. So
home sales, it hasn't been a great year or so,
(13:47):
and relatively it's kind of a flat time of year, right,
But there'll be somebody who, you know, the Smiths down
the street sold their house for one hundred grand over asking.
You know, they got seven to eighty for a house
that they have the mark for six eighty. And it
was a bit of a bidding war. And Jim comes
home and he tells Margaret, Margaret, we're selling the house.
(14:10):
The Smiths sold theirs for seven eighty. Ours has got
a nicer pool to sell our house. Mark's like, I
don't know, Jim, I don't know. It's a weird time
of year. School's already in session. Margaret, I got this.
Rates have dropped, we have the comps, we move the house.
(14:32):
We'll go and you can do your magic to another house.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
But what happens is if you put your house on
the mark for too much money, and then it sits
and sits and sits, and then you lower the price
to the price it should have been to begin with. Well,
somebody looks like it's like, why has the houseman house
been on the market for three four months? What do
I not know that somebody else knows? And you end
up selling it for far less than you ever wanted
(14:59):
to because you chase the market from putting in a
position too high. I didn't think I you chased it
that much, but you listen to him and he did
say basically, hey, we came on too strong from the start.
That's welcome in. Daniel Jeremiah DJ joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio Live inthtyrack
dot Com Studios. End of the day, they get Trent Williams,
(15:21):
they get Brandon Ayuk one last year of Brock Purdy
at this very very reasonable rate at quarterback. What are
your thoughts on the Niners likely that of getting back
to a Super Bowl?
Speaker 7 (15:32):
Well, I think they're obviously all in right now, and
it's I want to say now or never, because you
know they're not going anywhere. But I do think there
are some key players on this team that you could
start seeing a little bit of decline. And I think
they're smart by Trent Williams, who's you know, he's.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Played great, but at his age, you know that.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
At some point in time that's going to start to
slow down a little bit. So, you know, I kind
of think that's good agent things and smart on his
on his behalf to get the.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
New deal done. But I just look at it as
we start the.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
Season, Doug, and I'm I'm looking at them, and I'm
looking at the NFC, and I know everybody's kind of
talked about them as the overwhelming favorite. I just I
go back to the game that they've played against the Lions,
which the Lions had a great opportunity to win, and
I look at the age of the key players on
that team versus some of the key players on the Niners,
and I feel like the Lions are going to be
(16:25):
better and I feel like the Niners are trying to
hold serve here. So I'm I'm leaning towards the Lions
in the NFC this year.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Okay, what are the Lions missing in your mind?
Speaker 7 (16:40):
Pull The secondary was the you know, major issue for
them last year. So they go out and they draft
Terry and Arnold, they draft Inness Rake Straw, they get
two really young talented corners. They make a trade. Oh gosh,
Jamel Dean comes in. So they've they've done things to
try and to try and upgrade that secondary. Now we
got to wait and see it, see how it all
(17:01):
comes together. But they've they were aggressive and attacking their
greatest weakness and offensively. I think one of the biggest
storylines that maybe never gets discussed was if I would
have told you at the end of the year, after
the way the Lions offense played, and told you the
number of head coaching jobs that were open that the
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Lions are going to be able to retain Ben Johnson
as their offensive coordinator. That was huge, absolutely huge for them.
And by the way, Carlton Davis, not Jamel Deane, a
former Bucks corner, got the wrong one.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, no, it happens. It happens. I mean, you have
a thousand names in your head. Every once in a
while you're going to get one first name wrong. That
does happen. Daniel Jeremiah joining us. It's interesting. We're talking
about Patrick Sertain's contract and it's great. He's tell tremendous players.
Son of a pro all that stuff, But it's like
Denver Broncos, their season, their future, everything really rests on
(17:55):
what they figured out the quarterback stition.
Speaker 7 (17:56):
Now, no, I think that's accurate. You know, it's at
the end of the day, we can go through and
preview all these teams and talk about hopes and dreams
and rosters and offensive line and defensive line. I don't
want to oversimplify it, but you know, it's hard for
me to envision the Broncos having a really good year
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without bo Nix having a really good year. And I mean,
I think those fortunes are directly tied to one another.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I do support I'd love.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
To get your take on this, Doug, because you look
at things from an outside perspective and just an overall
sports perspective. One of the things, and maybe it came
out a little bit with the Brian Flores to us stuff,
but I've always felt with young players, I don't know
that you can pump enough confidence into them like that
car runs on confidence. So when I see I think
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Caleb Williams was named the starter, sorry, was named the captain.
Bo Nix was named the captain. Like I've never understood
the reluctance to praise young players when it feels like,
to me, man, the confidence is so fragile, to just
pump them full of it, I think is a good move.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well, it's interesting you bring it up. I do think
that while confidence has always been an issue for all athletes,
I think it's an even bigger issue now. Right, Like
we've all all guys have insecurities, but now when everything
is public, from who you're dating, what you're driving, how
much you make everything, everybody knows everything. There's some have
(19:26):
little imposter syndrome, some just have jealousy. Whatever it is.
There's all kinds of insecurities out there. So yeah, why
don't they do it more well? Because again it's the
fight between old and new school. Make him earn it
before you give him praise. You can't have a rookie
be a captain. I'd give it to an old veteran, etcetera, etcetera.
It's it's the trying to get out of the way
of the old ways. Would be my best guess.
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, I think the other thing I would you know
that I always pay attention to is you know, press conferences,
postgame comments from coaches on young quarterbacks, and I've just
there's time for criticism, and I'm taking that behind closed
doors with the young guys. And there's ways to kind of,
you know, hey, we'll hold them accountable in front of
the team and do those things. But I've never understood
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it doesn't happen a lot. But there are examples of
guys of coaches who are kind of, you know, somewhat
hyper critical of young players right after a game. And
I'm going like, do you know how fragile this is
with these guys, Like this is not the way.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
To go No, not the way to go in in
any way. I actually, can I ask you a question?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Can I ask you? This is okay? So in and
I know, but it's a non football more just kind
of gauging your thoughts because again, you're outside of the
the box of who I normally ask. So I have media.
We have Horizon League Media Day in two weeks, fourteen days, yeah, exactly,
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September eighteenth in Indianapolis. And I have how many guys
I have? I have or I have like counting walk ons,
I have fourteen you guys, I got a lot of
guys to choose from. Now I have two returners that
are really good, solid kids. Man. They represent everything you'd
want in any university, and they're gonna play. They're good players.
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But part of me wants to give that experience to
at least one of the younger guys, not just because
he's one that I brought in and I recruited, but
just kind of a different perspective, different voice, different representation.
How much do you think that matters in the locker room,
like who I picked to go to media day?
Speaker 7 (21:35):
Well, I think it matters today more than it would
have when we were growing up and playing. But I
think I think as long as you articulate the reasons
for whoever you choose, I think you'll be okay. I
think the times where that gets off the rails and
maybe it's a little squirrely is when everybody in the
team just kind of finds out who you're taking to
that thing and nobody has any explanation for it, you know.
(21:56):
I think that's when you get the back talk, you know,
or people talking and close corners, and that's the last
thing you want. So I think as long as you're hey, guys,
this is not this is just what it is. Don't
make it more than it is but I'm taking this
player in this player. I've taken this player because of
what he's meant to this program in the past and
his leadership. And I'm taking this player because I want
to take somebody from this group of all you young
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guys that have come in here and give you guys
a voice for what we're trying to do here. So
I think as long as you communicate that, I think
you're good.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Danie Jeremiah joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Let me ask you about a
couple of these other teams. Let's talk Packers. Okay, I
think Look, Jordan Love is way better than anybody thought
he would be. Last year. There were some moments you're like, Okay,
Now they give him a gigantic contract, and of course
(22:49):
with that comes gigantic expectations. Still a relatively young football team,
and as you mentioned, they got the lines in this division.
Bear's got to be better offensively. We'll see on the Vikings.
You know you and I are both big Sam Donald. Guys,
will the performance meet the expectations for Jordan Jordan Love.
Speaker 7 (23:09):
I'm curious on them. I think a lot of people
have made some assumptions that that growth is linear for
players and for teams. So you know, look, I I
just made that statement about the Lions and how they
have all these young talented players and I think they're
just on the ascension, but they have a quarterback who's
a little more seasoned and a little more weathered. So
(23:32):
I don't think with all quarterbacks. I mean, we've seen it,
like Josh Allen's a great example of you know, we've
seen you know, he's an amazing player. But there's been
some dips along the along the journey, and I don't
think that I don't think it's reasonable to expect that
Jordan Love is going to be on this uh steady
upward trajectory. I think there'll be some bumps along the road.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
I'm with them.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
I'm almost more curious to see how the uh, you know,
we're just gonna spread the ball around. They have all
these you know, really really good B level receivers that
you know, eventually somebody's going to want to be the
alpha of that group. A who's that going to be?
And be?
Speaker 5 (24:10):
How does that?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
How does that shake out with the rest of the room.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so I'm told that Jayce, do you have some some
research on the Padres for DJ.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
I went to work, h while you guys chatted about football,
I went to work. I promised Daniel that I would
do this because I'm you know, I'm that guy. Fernando
Tatis had his big return to the Padres lineup yesterday,
and I know Padre fans are excited. I have a
feeling Daniel is, but I just want to be the
guy that offers a little balance in this moment. The
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record of the Padres this year when Tattoos is in
the lineup is five hundred. Remember when the Padres almost
went to the World Series in twenty twenty two, That
just it happened to be the year that Fernando Tattoos
will suspend it for the entire season. He returned last
year and they went eighty two and eighty. So what
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does that tell a Dodger fan about Fernando Tatisa's return
to the lineup.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
It's a great It's a great point, and it's one
that if it's the very surfacy level conversation, you can
probably get away with that argument. But let's add some
facts onto this. Let's start first of all at twenty
twenty two. Fernando did not play in twenty two. He
played the year before twenty one. They weren't as good.
You know who wasn't there in twenty one, a guy
by the name of one Soto who came over halfway
(25:38):
to the year there, So you have Manny Machado has
the monster year. One Sodo is in the mix. He
has a monster year.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Then you look.
Speaker 7 (25:45):
At you know, last year, the most unlucky team in baseball,
and that the metrics were ridiculous just in terms of
how unlucky they were, one one run games, all that crap.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Let's get to this year.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
Jay Stu Manny Machado, who has off season elbow surgery.
He starts off the year. The first month he hit
two seventeen. The second month he hit twoin fifty eight.
Then he hit two thirty. Those are his first three months.
Now the elbow's healthy, and that coincides with when tattooth
is gone. He hits three point thirty three. Then he
comes back, he hits a zillion home runs six home runs.
(26:17):
In the next month, he's hitting three h two with
seven home runs in this in July. I mean, the
guy's been on fire.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
So now we.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
Get to add Tatoeths to a healthy machado. And that's
why all my Dodgers fans are scared to death about
that five game series.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
We're fixing the.
Speaker 7 (26:33):
Half here in a month or so.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Dodger fan reaction.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I'm going to respond with a phrase that Adam Carolla
once said over the Earth. This guarantees me a tie? Right,
you guys ready for it?
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I'm ready?
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Yeah? But still, what's the.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
Season series between those two teams this year?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Jay Stu curious?
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I forget?
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Yeah, yeah, we already, we already clinched that we still
have three more with you, guys.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I ask you this all summer long, and now we've
had a chance. You've had a chance to call people.
Give me somebody that we should be paying attention to
as a team, like they're prettydamn good?
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Oh well, I mean there is. This is the conversation
that I have every years. I call around the people
during roster cuts, yep, and I'd say who had the
toughest decisions and who cut the best players?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Sure, because that means they that means they have good
players that they had to make our decision.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
It was the Jets, Doug, the Jets. They everybody I
talked to you, they had several they had a.
Speaker 7 (27:35):
Couple of corners get claimed. Their defensive line is stacked.
Like defensively, they are absolutely loaded.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Now they're the m of that defense is really talented.
But they take a lot of chances. Now, maybe they
took a lot of chances because who their quarterback was
last year, but it was there was some a lack
of discipline, was was what I had heard.
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Yeah, I think they can rush for even without his
soundddick and hopefully that eventually gets figured out. But even
without him, I think they can rush forward. They can
smother you in the second aarya. But they just gave
their nickel back ten million dollars a year, Michael Carter,
because he's one of those people, not many one of
those guys not many people are aware of. But it's
probably the best nickel in the league. They're absolutely loaded
on defense.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Okay, give me somebody. Everybody's talking about who they're not
that good. I have one. It's pretty obvious, but I
give me to give you one.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Here.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
Everybody's talking about that's not that good. Yeah, Well, everybody
still I know a lot of there's still some skepticism
about the Bears from people that I talked to just
about you know, how good is the offensive line? Love
the skill, but the offensive line is still a little
bit of a question mark there.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I was going to go with with Pittsburgh.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
Yeah, their offensive lines beat up too, and we don't
know what we're going to get a quarterback, so it's fair.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And when you don't know what you're going to get
a quarterback and the offensive line is beat up, that's
a problem. That's that's a problem. That's a problem.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
DJ.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You ready for the Bolts?
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Oh dude, I cannot wait. Picked up my chart today
to call this game on Sunday, Chargers Raiders. It's gonna
be I mean, this is the most anticipated Charger opener
I can't remember, just because of you know, Harbaugh's presence,
and nobody knows exactly what this is going to look like,
and I can't wait for it to get here.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
And of course having Tom Telesco, a mutual friend of ours,
who is the former general manager of the Chargers, being
the general manager of the Raiders makes it makes it
weird as an understatement, like general managers don't you jon't
get another gentle manager job, let alone the next year,
let alone with the arch rival of the other team.
That's that's crazy, DJ, You're the best. Appreciate joining us.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Thanks brother.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
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Speaker 5 (29:55):
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at this time. Literally every day. We turn it over
to Dan Buyer and play a game, Danny.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Danny, I was gonna wait for my music, Doug, but
this will work on the podcast. But I will say this, Doug.
One time on the show, you made a comment that
everybody likes a said song and Jason immediately Jason Stewart
shot back and said, I don't like No. No, he
didn't say that. He just said that's that not everybody
likes that song. Like there's somebody out there that doesn't
(30:39):
like the song. This would be one of the songs
that I don't know if I've ever met anyone that
doesn't like Don't Dream It's over. So to your point, Doug,
like I love this song, You're singing along with it.
Sam obviously played it for a reason. I know that's
three of eight billion, but like it's I mean, this
(30:59):
is a this is a great, great song.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And there's crowded house correct crowded house production.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
You know how you know how much Sam loves it.
He loves it so much that he totally forgot to
get the intro to the game. He wanted to enjoy
it that way.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
This is game time. It had gone miss on the
Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 8 (31:21):
And another music memorable.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, it was great. I have a question for you,
the Dan. Yes, can I read you the first verse
and you tell me what it means? Sure, there's a
freedom within, There's a freedom without trying to catch the
deluge in a paper cup. There's a battle ahead. Many
battles are lost, but you never see the end of
the road while you're traveling with me. Hey now, hey, now,
(31:45):
don't dream it's over. Hey now, hey, now, when the
world comes in, they come to build a wall between us.
We know they won't win. Now I'm towing my car.
There's a hole in the roof. My possessions are causing
me suspicion, but there's proof in the paper today.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
Tales of war and song.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, well again, but where is the I the world
is trying to build a wall? Or is the relationship over?
I'm struggling with that.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
No.
Speaker 8 (32:10):
I think what he's saying is that those he and
his partner are there's a lot going on in their lives,
and there's a lot that they're trying to take on,
and there are a lot of outside factors that are
trying to break up this relationship. But hey, don't dream
it's over.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
It's one of those rare songs that have esoteric lyrics
that are open for interpretation.
Speaker 8 (32:35):
I think it's deep, man, I think.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
It's super deep. My possessions are like, yeah, okay, sorry, Dan,
I apologize. I just we started talking about a song
the ADHD kicked in. I'm like the dog Doug in
up or all of a sudden, and I started talking
about music lyrics. My apologies.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
That's all right. The game today is for better or worse?
All right, this is quite the card we've got today.
Seven bouts and we starts in an AFC contender showdown, Dougas.
The NFL season is upon US Ravens versus Texans. Not
necessarily who would win that game, But who's better or
(33:20):
who's worse. Ravens versus Texans in our first AFC Contender showdown.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Hmmm, Ravens Texans the rematch of a playoff game.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Yeah, Ravens one handedly beat him twice last year the
Ravens did.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, I'm still gonna go with the Ravens. Okay, I'm
still going to go with the Ravens. And I remember
those Year one of the Ravens in their new offense. Granted,
everything was year one for the Houston Texans, but I
think there's another. They added Derrick Henry, so I continue
to think that they're going to commit to running the football.
But I still I'll take the Ravens.
Speaker 8 (33:56):
In another AFC Contender showdown, Bills versus Bengals.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Wow, wow, Bengels never get off to a good start. Ever,
I'll go Bills Bills. A lot of people think the
Bills aren't as good. I think the Bills might not
be as talented, but they may be a better team.
Even though Stefan.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Diggs moving over to the NFC for better or worse,
Doug this matchup Lions versus Eagles.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Lions versus Eagles, I mean, all we can go off
was how they were trending. At the end of the year.
The Lions looked like one of the best teams in
football and the Eagles look like like complete frauds from
being ten too. Granted it was a different season. They've
added personnel, I get it. And remember the Eagles went
out and added a big time running back in Saquon Barklay.
Speaker 8 (34:49):
I'm not trying to nitpick here, but I would disagree
that the premise is the only thing we can go
off of is how they end last year. There's a draft,
there's free agency, there's coaching changes. There's a lot that
could be at play here.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But yeah, I would take for better or force. I'm
gonna take the Eagles for better. Okay, you guys know
I'm not a huge Yalen Hurts fan, but I also.
Speaker 8 (35:15):
Vic Fangio is not running their defense.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I love Vic Fangels defense. He's not easy to deal with,
but he's a very good defensive coordinator.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
All right, all right? For better or Worse? Doug NFC
contender showdown Bears versus Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I'm gonna take the Cowboys. Take the Cowboys. I love
the Bears being the flavor of the month. Everybody loving
the Bears. It's good to see the Bears have I
think Calebaying is gonna be a really good quarterback. But
Cowboys have been good for a couple of years. They're
gonna be good. Get now. There is one thing that
I don't think enough people are mentioning about the Dallas Cowboys.
What's the biggest change in the Cowboys from last year
(35:54):
this year? Dan dan Byer, they have no running back?
Well there's that.
Speaker 8 (35:59):
Yeah, Oh City Lamb got paid, but he contract, he was,
but he was he was there last year, right.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
I think the biggest thing is I love Mike Zimmer,
but he's a different defense coordinator than the one they had,
and they were really good the past couple of years defensively.
Now Zim's great as defense coordinator. I didn't love him
a zad coach. I wonder how that works, but it
is a different defense. As you point out, there's more
things than just what we saw at the end of
last year. Coaching changes are big.
Speaker 8 (36:28):
I think the Bears will be carried by their defense, Yes,
until Caleb Williams gets adjusted, and their defense is going
to be one of the best in the NFL. All right,
Final one for better or worse? Doug. Super Bowl host
city last year was Vegas, this year it's New Orleans.
What's better or worse?
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I actually think New Orleans is better. The food's more unique,
the quarter is more unique. It's a great events city.
I'm gonna go. Vegas was cool. I'm gonna go with
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