July 11, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug gives his evaluation of Cooper Flagg's summer league debut. Doug reacts to news about the NCAA Tournament expansion. Doug welcomes former NBA player and FSR NBA commentator Ryan Hollins onto the show to get his thoughts on Cooper Flagg and Bronny James. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I GOT DIBBS!".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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today and we got a good show. Ryan Hollins will
join us this tower. Of course, Ryan played in the
league for a decade. He's the Rockets color analysts and
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he joins us as our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst.
We'll get to his thoughts from last night. So let me.
It's so funny. I get to ask all the time, like,
you know, what's it like? What's different than you thought?
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So recruiting is very different in college basketball than it
used to be from this perspective, right when you're taking
international players, when you're taking portal players, you have some
time to make the decision, but you don't always have
a thorough up basis of knowledge of who the player
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is and what they are. And especially now as you
open up the floodgates to international players, which is it's
kind of the gold rush, right, There's been some that
have come over and got made so much money that
now everybody's like, well, and it's easier to get them
into school to play. Then you go back five six years.
Previously it was just too many hoops, didn't make any sense.
They were already making money overseas. Now it doesn't really matter.
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They can say they're still amateurs. They almost all have
good grades. They want to come to college, they want
to experience the United States. But this is what the
experience is actually like. I have agents from ten different
countries on my phone. Everybody communicates feel WhatsApp and they
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send you a tape and it's a highlight tape and
then sometimes it's a full bio. Sometimes as full Game
says that if you watch the highlight tape for these players,
you'd be like, why isn't this guy in the NBA
draft and why is he available to come to Green Bay? Now,
sometimes it's because the financial ask is just completely out
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of asserts. Sometimes it's because the guy isn't as tall
as it says, sometimes he's older. Sometimes you really can't
get him into the United States with his contract, and
he's really a pro, and they're just kind of messing
with you. But oftentimes it's because the highlight tapes don't
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match the actual game. And I'm watching last night and
I have a couple of takeaways on both Bronnie James
and on Cooper Flag, But I think the biggest takeaway
will be if you didn't watch that game. And by
the way, I'm not trying to embarrass you guys. You
guys have lives as well, and it's not like it
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was Game seven of the NBA Finals. Sam in order, Sam, Jason, Dan,
Did you guys watch the Lakers Mavericks Summer League game
last night? Sam?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I did not. Jason, I did, yep?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Okay, Dan?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I did?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay? Sam, What is your perception of each of the
players of first Bronnie and then of Cooper Flag and
how they played.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
You mean, how they played.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Baseb on no, how they played last night.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I didn't watch last night.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I know you didn't watch the game, but you have
seen highlights. You do on a phone. There are people
that again without having watched I'm sure you saw some highlights.
You are on social media. We text each other about
tweets all the time. What is your perception on how
they both played.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'll be honest, I didn't see any highlights. I know
nothing about this game. Okay, so I'm not the right
one to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Fine, here's what I think if you watch highlights. Ronnie
James had two shots in a row in the first
half and then a drive and kickoff or dunk. Like man,
that's pretty good. Cooper Flag was five of twenty one
from the field. What was five to twenty one was
that he was he struggled shooting the basketball. And so
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if you just look at ross stats, you'd be like, ma,
Bronnie was okay, didn't take a ton of shots, made
some shots, scored on. Cooper Flag was super tough in
the low post. Offensively. There's one highlight of him where
he at the end. It's called a foul on Cooper Flag.
We was trying to back him down, and Cooper Flagg
he just shot every time he got the ball. Okay, Now, Dan,
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let me ask you, how'd you think Cooper played, how'd
you think Brownie played?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I thought the whole thing was a mess. I thought
that Cooper flag provided highlights that you look for, but
the whole thing is just gobblygook.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, Okay, Chase, do your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's like chaos.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
It's a bunch of players that haven't played together, I'm guessing,
and it looks like it. It's it's kind of like
it's either like a middle school game or a WNBA
game or both that it was just it's hard to
watch outside of those two guys that we were focused on.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, but in regards to those two guys, my takeaway
is again, I know that it can be overrated sometimes,
but presence is a thing. And for an eight year
old kid, he had the look of a guy that
knows he's going.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To be a dude.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Whereas Bronnie James looked like Okay, in comparison to last year,
he'd improve. Last year he ran from the ball, last
year he was not particularly good defensively, and last year
he looked tiny. This year still doesn't look big, a
little look stronger, looked like he knew kind of what
to do and where to go. But was just kind
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of a guy. Like if you didn't know he was
Bronnie James, you wouldn't know who he was. Nobody. You
wouldn't say, like, who's that guy, Cooper Flagg. I think
you would say, boy, that kid must think he's really
really good because he takes a lot of shots. But
part of it is you're never going to get to
that place of being a dominant player unless you act
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and try and play like a dominant player. Am I
making sense? Dan?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That there's yeah, I thought he flashed last night. There
was especially in the first half, throw about like four
or five sequences think in a row where he was
either passing or dunking or doing something that yes.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Look like yeah that that that at some point that
will work. Yes, And that's really that's really what your
rookie year, high draft pick, summer league is about.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's it's like in golf, when you're not particularly good
at golf, or maybe you're modestly good, or you're really good.
I mean, Dan, you could be more to the judge
of where you're not. It's not about what you're round
is right, It's gonna be bad, right, It's a little
bit about the final score. But it's a lot about
those one or two shots that keep you coming back.
(07:41):
You know, yes, remember that drive on eleven. Now I'm
coming back. And if you're playing with a guy who's
not very good and he hits a drive on eleven, like,
you know, if he works on it, you know he
played a little bit more golf, he can be a
decent player.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
There's also in a similar parallel on Me and my
buddy were talking about this when I played with him
about a month or two ago. We were saying, because
we were both playing decent for how we played, but
we really stink like we're bad. But we're playing with
each other and we're, you know, shooting decent scores for us,
and you're like, when you play with someone that can
really play, you realize how much that you aren't good
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at the game. And I felt like last night, like
there were guys out there that, yeah, maybe they could
look the part, maybe they can hit the three. But
when Cooper Flagg is doing what he's doing, it's just
a different animal.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, as opposed to Bronnie James, who again take you
take the the golf analogy, and he doesn't have to
shoot a sixty five but he has to look like
he could shoot a sixty five, if that makes any
sense to anybody. You don't have to shoot a sixty five.
You got to look like you could shoot a sixty five.
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And he just doesn't. And what happens is what people
they'll they'll say, you know, like, oh, Bronnie's he doesn't stink.
He's not bad at basketball. He's just not a rotational
NBA player. He's not a He shouldn't be one of
the four hundred and fifty best players in the world
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because if he was, after a year of being in
the NBA and the G League, he should have far
more control over what's going on in the court. As
you guys point out, look at I'm played together, look
at and done things like yes, but most guys who
have played a year in the NBA, even if they
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have played a lot, like the game before was Oklahoma
City and they have the topic kid topic Nikolai Topich,
who like everybody thinks, is gonna be really good. They
had no minutes for him this year, but he looked like, Yeah,
that's gonna that's gonna work at some point, right like
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he'd looked like he'd been around the course before Bronni
had some of that, but there was definitely no control
over the game. You're like, damn, he is at a
different level than everybody else. And if you play the
year in the NBA and played a portion of a
year in the g League, that's how you should look.
That's that's my breakdown of it. And there were some
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times in which I was willing to like ooh okay,
but but the the times of where he looks the
part are still too few and far between in comparison
to his contemporaries. Coming next to the Dug got sorryh.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Could I continue the analogy here of the golf as
you guys were talking, Yeah, I'm sure Dan's familiar with
this guy. You know, you get paired with somebody in
a foursome the strangers, and then like midway through the round,
the guy will turn you and back, man, I never
played this bad. And that happens in poker too, Like
you'll be playing on a table and some guy like, man,
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I never played this bad, and you're like, you know,
I I've seen the way you play, you know, I
saw your swing. You're probably bad all the time. And
I think that's what Doug is getting to and it
reminded me when Cooper Flag was, uh did the interview
after the game. It kind of reminded me of that
Cooper Flag was telling the world, Man, I never played
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this bat not up.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
To my standard.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
But I'm gonna regroup them, all right. You know, it's
a new feeling, new environment, new teammates. But now the
guys haunted down, you know, Miles Ryan, they were amazing
to night. Max Oh and they were great tonight. So
you know, just you know, they had my back. You know,
I didn't have my best game, but I'm gonna just
keep going go forward.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, yeah, there's just there's just a confidence to it,
like good go ahy Dan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I was gonna say, I'll tell you what I did
like about last night and because and what I what
I didn't like. So I tuned in like two minutes
into the game, so there was like seven to three,
there were two minutes gone by or something like that.
And for three trips down the court, I'm seeing number
thirty six and forty seven and number nine handle the
ball a lot for Dallas, Like what are we doing here?
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This is not why this game is on ESPN right now?
That's not why fifteen thousand people are in the arena.
Cooper Flag hasn't touched the ball. That's just right when
I tuned in. But then Cooper Flagg got his opportunity.
And I know you're harsh on Bronnie. I'm to the point.
I even said this earlier this week on your show
when that was in for you and you were in
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for the herd. Is At some point we got to
get past Bronnie, and I felt last night Bronnie understood
the assignment at the end of the game. He's the
one we wanted to see take that shot. Granted it
was a brick from twenty five feet out with a
guy in his face, but at least he understood the
assignment last night. You know, at some point, I think
we just kind of got to get passed, like his
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name and where he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, I agree with you. I am past that point.
I'm judging him, if you will, based on anybody else.
You know, there were times in which he really pressured
the ball at the point guard spot really well. But
then there are times in which he got exposed as
it was like fake pressure. You're just trying to pressure
guys and anybody who has any gumption gets by you,
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and then it's kind of a la city. And while
he did look really good on the two shots he made,
that that's really about it. You know, Yeah, that's sort
of about it. And again I'm not judging on the
scale of could you survive? Right if this year? If
his performance last night was last year, I would have
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been more enthused. But dude, when you play a year
in the NBA and in the G League and you
just kind of melt in, it just that's not enough
in comparison to what reasonable expectations are of others, regardless
of name, size, position, that have been in the NBA
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for a year. That's my feelings.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
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Speaker 1 (14:11):
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the Bonus Plus Yeah this show podcast as well. Been
widely reported that the NCAA tournaments going to remain at
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sixty eight teams for now. Both the men's and women's
basketball committees met this week to discuss expanding I love that. Hey, no, listen,
the women had a discussion about expanding the tournament two yes, uh,
the topic of expanding the field. This is from Dan Gavit,
who runs the event, and each championship was discussed at length,
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but no decision or recommendation was made steal Bible. How
it comes include determines remaining of sixty eight teams or
expanding the field to seventy two or seventy six games
in advance of the twenty six or twenty seven championship seasons.
So that's pretty good. It's really good, really good. What
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what's really good that they're starting to kind of show
their cards. It's my belief that whatever they found hasn't
give them total clarity as to what it's actually worth.
(15:42):
My guess is that there is not a clause in
there that opens up for renegotiation with any party. So
the NCAA signed a deal with CBS and Turner. Turner
pays eighty percent of it right now. Since then, recently,
Turner has has doubled down and they got way more
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college sports than they ever used to. They got more
professional sports. Although they don't have the NBA. They don't
have the NBA, so not having the NBA, but they
still own and operate inside the NBA. Obviously they still
have the space there. Gonna be fascinating to see what
they do regarding the NCAA tournament in meaning, I would
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guess that the wording doesn't say if you add games now,
Apple can bid, now, ESPN can bid, now, NBC can bid,
because if they did, then they absolutely would have added games.
They would have done it already because as much as
you know, you're only talking about adding two games or
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four games, right, Remember, if you're at sixty eight, you're
gonna go to seventy two. You're adding when you're adding
four teams, that's two games. If you add if you
go from sixty eight to seventy eight, seventy six, excuse me,
you're adding four games, that's it. How much are those
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four games worth? Not a ton unless the whole package
is now potentially for sale. And again this is just
an educated guess that the only thing they can do
now is hey, they meet with the committee, like, ah, okay,
we all want more money, we all need more money.
But if we're going to continue to destroy the fabric
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of this thing, which is the sixty four team bracket.
That's all anybody cares about. How much is that worth
to us? And does it trigger a reopening of the
negotiation for the TV deal. If it did, I believe
this would have been approved. I don't think it does.
Ryan Holland's going to join us. We'll ask him about
Summer League and about this Lebron James Luka Doncik passing
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of the torch in l a story that Ramona Shelburne
and Brian Windhorse author start Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio.
Ryan Hollins joins us this weekly visit. He's our Fox
Sports Radio NBA analyst. We both played in Summer League.
You well, you've made the team, You made the league
for ten years. Not so much for your boy. Let's
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start with Bronnie. What was your email on Lebron James Junior.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I thought he looked so much more comfortable on the floor.
I think for Bronni he's going to be a reliable,
reliable role player. I think he'll be a long time pro.
But it's just the biggest thing you can tell, so
a lot of the nerves from last year. And I
mean for the fiftieth pick, and obviously the being the
brons Don, the height is always going to be there.
(18:49):
But I thought he'd looked good out there. I thought
he looked confident and you know, you can see his
body developing and growing even more.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I would agree with you in terms of his comfort, okay,
and his confidence, but I would I would tell you
that my thing would be and again, you played in
the league. I didn't. Usually guys that played in the league,
when they come to play summer league, the expectations are
for them to be, if not the best, one of
the two or three best players of court. The NBA
players look different than summer league dudes. Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And I don't think he met that test. Did he
look better, yes, more comfortable, yes, stronger, sure, but did
he look like that guy's playing in the league up
for a year. He didn't fit that bill. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:36):
I mean, and again to each his own, you know,
in that in that situation, and I and here's the thing,
Like for Bronni's game, he's great playing off people, He's
a defender. Obviously that's gonna be had uh for himself
in his game. But he could go into a summer
league game and he's not gonna, you know, just just
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he's not gonna blow you away with things that he's
gonna gonna do out there. And that doesn't mean that
he can't make a impact. And I think the biggest
thing he's gonna have to improve his spot up shooting,
and he's gonna have to be a dog defender. You know,
these are the things that we've been saying for a
long time in terms of Brownie. So I think that's
where you know, we're going to see his ultimate impact
at the end of the day, and you know they
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were the improvements are gonna have to be made for him.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Steug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh okay,
Ryan Holins, I guess okay. Now, same question regards to
Cooper Flag. What do you think.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I think Cooper is who who I thought he was.
I think he's gonna be excellent on a team where
he can run the lane and finish and use his athleticism.
He's not a guy you throw the ball to and
you say get out, get out the way. And I
think if those people had those expectations of him, they're
going to be disappointed, but he's at a perfect place
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in Dallas where he's gonna bring a lot of length
inside to their to their them being already pretty good defensively,
he's a good outside shooter, and I think if you
can defend, that means you can get out and transition. Doug,
but he's best right now in transition, and I think
that's where Cooper is gonna essentially flourish. But with his intangibles,
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he's a great piece. And you know, when we say
role player, you a guy that can play on the floor,
like that's not a shot to any guys. Like a
lot of guys can't play in the NBA game and
they can't, you know, kind of fill a position. And
I don't think there's going to be an issue with Cooper.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I don't
know if you read the article earlier today, but Ramona Shelburne, I, oh,
you know well and Brian Windhorse, they co authored a
piece that said, hey, basically, the Lakers have gone from
Lebron involved in any decision to lebroad no longer involved
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in every and any decisions. What are your thoughts on
the transition the Lakers are making.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Well, you got to understand, you know, this is part
of have a new ownership. And I think the last
we talked, hey, those are things that you gotta you know,
you're gonna have to figure out. And you know, I
thought it was pretty obvious in Lebron's you know actions,
whether that was you know, told to him or not,
or how it was or wasn't conveyed, that he was
gonna he's looking to make a power play, like saying, hey,
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you know I don't have to be here. Let's see
how you value me, you know, how this thing is
going to work without me at the end of the day.
So that's what I read, and I think either there's
accuracy to that statement or you know, he's going to
test the waters and kind of find out where he lands.
But I definitely, I definitely believe in that. I think
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I think that's what's going on, and you know, Lebron
is smart enough to know that, and you know, you
see him being, you know, in a sense proactive. Hey
I'll go play somewhere else. So you're gonna have to
make a choice and say, oh no, no, no, no, don't
go play no nowhere else. You're good here, you're our
guy for good or not. But you know he's in
the position again. He's smart enough to force their hand
in a new ownership position.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Stug got Leaby show. You're on Fox Sports for Ryan
Hollins is our guest. You can hear on Fox Sports
Radio ALCS to see him. If you watch Houston Rockets games. Okay,
Oklahoma City. Now they're big three, is all locked up.
If you were running that place, is that what you
would have done?
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Yeah? You got to keep them happy. And one of
the biggest things that they've also shown is that they
are ops in the league and player development. So they
showed you the guys they can't recreate. They feel like
the rest of those guys are essentially interchangeable. We can
bring in Wiggins or Isaiah Joe and we can make
another one. You know, we feel like we have faith
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enough in the system. But as far as those three,
you know, Jalen Williams and Shay and Chet, those are
the pieces that are not interchangeable. And that's what they
you know, they kind of let you know, and you know,
for what they've done, they won the championship. I always
believe that you reward the champ. You know, even if
it may set you back, even it may hurt you
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a little bit moving forward, you take care of those
guys and you know, hopefully you can have a San
Antonio like build where you keep them there long term
and guys are comfortable and they trust you enough as
an organization and does forgive me if I'm wrong. I
think Okac is probably the closest. I think the Warriors
have been the Spurs of our generation, but okay See
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has a chance to be the next generation Spurs if
they can keep that core intact and have kind of
like that family us against the world type mentality.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, no, I think. I mean, obviously, you know you
have Sam Presti came from the Spurs. They're trying to
be built like the Spurs, and you know, the Spurs
had a big three or four they built around for
years and they were just very fortunate for the most part,
those guys didn't get hurt. I mean, I think that
would be my biggest cause for concern would be Chet.
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You know, he's played like a year and a half.
He was hurt the first year and then he played
eighty two and then he was hurt this year. Do
I think his jump shot develops, Yes, do I think
he's still a good protector, sure, But injuries I think
are the biggest issue with that one.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yeah. No, No, you're you're You're spot on. And you know,
it's even intrigguing, intriguing when you look at Chet because
he's got such a unique bial with the size and
his skill set is just off the charts. You don't
see the guys that big. I think he's even an
answer too, almost you know, taller than I am, and
I'm a legit seven feet but you don't see those
guys being able to move like that. And the question,
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you know, with the Chet is like, hey, do we
put weight on them or do we just get him stronger?
Do we just kind of injury prevention maintenance him? But
at the end of the day, I've always said this,
Shay's really darn good, like historically good. But for them
to win, that's got to be good. And you know,
and Chet becomes good, that's that's where the league really
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gets in trouble, and even more so where he can
guard his physician and the and the fives on the floor,
because if you can hold his weight off at five,
you're you're not matching up with Okay, see, so he's
he's the key. So I agree with the investment into him.
And you got to assume they have the medical records
and they felt comfortable what they've seen from him and
with his age.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Do you like what's your reaction to the Mike Brown
hire with the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I thought Mike Brown did an unbelievable job in Sacramento
and it's not the sexiest pick. I'm sorry they didn't
go and you know, get get you know, one of
the name guys that they originally wanted to poach from
another team or you know, you know, like Jay Wright
or somebody like that. But Mike Brown is a darn
good coach and I worked with him and I thought
he did a heck of a job in Sacramento. And
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I think he's gonna, you know, New York setting themselves
up with Mike Brown to you know, come back and
roll and have a strong level of success. So I
thought there was a great move by them, and you know,
I think that works out at the end of the
end of the day. And you know, Doug, you can
almost see it unfolding with everybody getting hurt, like, hey,
New York is right there, if not somewhat favorite in
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this deal.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I it's interesting. I knew you couldn't replace Tibbs
with anyone who hadn't been to the conference finals or beyond.
So he fits that. Bill. He's coached in the NBA.
He's coached superstars in the NBA. It's like, what were
our expectations? Were we expecting Red Arbak to be the guid?
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Like I don't really know what people what? What people
what people thought?
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Right? I like, well Bill Jackson, Oh, Bill Jackson's not
the coach, but then I don't like him, like again,
like this, that's not enough options out there when they
reached out and other guys are in a contract. Right,
you're the best man. Joy Summer League. Let's talk soon, Okay, Doug,
It's the Doug Outleb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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(27:58):
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Speaker 2 (28:20):
Imber throwing and I'll break you of Blne the right
center based head.
Speaker 8 (28:23):
There's Rooker the second off with the ballas Harris around
third of the play to the plate is not nearly
in time, and Soners walks it off for the A's
starry Rooker from second base and the Athletics and the
eleventh inning come back and they win the series.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
How many people know that the A's are the Athletics.
I mean, I know we all do, right Bayern, you
just gave me a look, I'm senior.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I would hit like eight you think something it's pretty high.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it's as high
as you think. I think Oakland A's Like, what are
the Oakland A's for? Like, I don't know. It's just
the A's. They have a big A get you and
I do. I do because when I was I think
I was nine, I played on the A's. Uh, Jay Su,
what do you think percentages? Just getting your your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, I would say hi, at least three quarters, Sam,
I do think that the we I think this show
leads leads the league, leads the country, and trying to
guess what regular people think. Yeah, and it's always cashed
by I know we know it because we were in sports,
But what are regular people?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I think a lot few, a lot more people don't
know that the Knicks are the Knickerbockers. If that's like
a parallel.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It is. It is a parallel. It's a good parallel.
What are the other ones that are shortened? Trying to
think Oakland a's, the A's.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't think there's an exhausting list ters, Terrapins, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, uh do we know the Knicks fighting Irish fighting
a line?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I I don't think that there's there's many.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Sam, did you know? I'm like, again, Sam, you knew
it is the athletics idea.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, I think it's seventy or higher without.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I just again, I'm I don't know this to be
real stats. But I felt like there's a lot of
people that for a long time had no idea that
the Brewers, for example, were in the National League, or
that the Astros in the American League. Like that took
a long time to really resonate with people, and as
(30:39):
baseball is, the A's used to be kind of a
like a phenomenon, right. They had Charlie Finley as her owner.
They had a lot of cool hip stuff. Then they
went from you know, Reggie Jackson to Ricky Henderson to
the Bash brothers uh And and Eckersley, and then they
kind of became the laughing stop of major League Baseball
after Moneyball. I just I don't know how many people go, like,
(31:02):
what does A stand for? Like the Oakland A's.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'll tell you this little known fact you may not
know about me. I was an Astros fan when I
was a kid. I liked the Houston Astros Glenn Davis.
Then he got Delta the Orioles in a deal involving
Kurt Shilling, Pete Harness, and Steve Finley. It was all
about the Killer Bees and Bagwell and Bigio. I remember
when Randy Johnson got traded there in ninety eight, and
(31:25):
then they then the Brewers jumped to the National League
and it's eight. I'm sorry, and so then it was
kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Sorry, I was just you was talking to killer Bees,
and it just the bees made me have allergies. I
just steroids. Sorry, sorry, sorry about that. I just gotta
my sneeze usually comes in three, so just just be
wary of it. You're an Astros fan.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Huh, yes, yes, okay, yeah, I like.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The old Astro was Nolan right?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
They used to have lairts broke their hearts in ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Sure do you remember, like the old Astro's uniforms like
with that whatever the colors like almost the color of
the sunset across the front. Yeah, I don't know what that. Yeah. Again,
my only memories of pre killer beesteroids.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
But in Houston is who wasn't? Like? Who was? I mean?
In Bizio bisioside think the story was great, starting out
as a catcher, moving positions to elongate his career.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Becomes Hall of Famer, remarkable, unbelievable. But before that era
of Astros, it was all Nolan Ryan, no hit or highlights. Right,
That's the only time, if you grew up in California,
the only time you would ever think, breathe anything about
the Astros was like Nolan Ryan. And then you know
(32:42):
was the Astrodome, which was again Astrodome was honestly made
most famous to our generation bad news bears, right, didn't
the play in the Astrodome? Was that the second Bad
News Bears. Once they played in the Astrodome, that was
before they went to Japan. Japan at some point they
went to as well.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
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Speaker 1 (33:05):
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Speaker 6 (33:24):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
BA Doug.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
The game today is I got tips, I got tips.
We throw a topic out there and everybody, yes, grabs.
What's theirs favorite summer sports? Three to one go? I
got golf, I was.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Tips.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I got digs on baseball baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Lump a chair, welcome in. We're gonna talk about baseball.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I got DIBs on minor league baseball in the summer.
They're trying to get you to the park. Cheaper hot dogs,
cheap beer, T shirt, cannons, Galore allow that.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I went to Madison, Wisconsin to visit my friend and
this is summer and we was like, a this was
Mallard's game. Mallards, Yes, And it was such a good
time and the weather was perfect. This is twenty twenty twelve,
maybe twenty fourteen, Duck.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Pond at Warner Park ear least on Madison's east side.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
What a good time inside. And it's minor league baseball.
It hits different in the summer.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Summer hoops, specifically Las Vegas. Uh, it's not just about
the NBA Summer League. It's like the mecca for all
things USA basketball. Whenever they play, they train their all
youth hoops. Kind of all roads lead to Vegas, especially
when you're a LA kid. Summer hoops.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I love all right, next topic on the board, worst
name change in sports college or Pro three two one go?
I got Guardians hates the Guardians. Yeah, that's the worst.
I'm gonna give you one. Marquette. They were the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
They were the Hilltoppers first.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, can I finish my can we were the Hilltoppers.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm just trying. I'm just trying to put out.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
No God, they needed to get away from the Native
American imagery. Nobody, nobody is clamoring for the Golden State
Warriors to change their name because you know why, it's
not depicting of anything. They could have gone Trojan Warrior
like us. Instead they go Golden Eagles, like come on,
(35:57):
Marquette's the worst for me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
It's terrible. It's terrible there. How could they do that?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And the answer is no, it's not that puts Doug.
He's about three hundred.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Who is what song was he singing? I was trying
to make.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Too hot? Was it?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes? Scandal? Oh? For two guys, she was. She's saying scandal.
She's the lead singer Scandal. Yes, that's correct. I'm seeing
it right here. Wait, hold on, Patty, hold on Smith,
hold on, hold on, hold on, hold.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
On, So Jay, Sue, you were wrong about something music
and unwilling to admit it.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
No. I knew that there was a band. I didn't
know that she was a lead singer. So Dan's right. Yes,
at the end of the day, Dan was right.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
All right. Any other worst name changes you guys got.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
On, Yeah, lots of them. The Stanford Cardinal they were
the Stanford Indians. Everybody changed. Some Indians can't get it right.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I don't mind Cardinals pretty unique.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
It's Patty smythe Schmoye.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean, Washington Commanders is pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
All right, Guys, we talk about having the Final Four, Like,
if you were to have the Final Four in one city,
if you were to have the Super Bowl in one city?
What about if there was a permanent home for Major
League Baseball's All Star Game? Where would you want it
to be? Three to one? Go Yankee Stadium, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, give him a game that actually people care about.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I was just gonna say anywhere in Ohio because it's
kind of cool, easy to get to.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I guess everybody anywhere, anywhere, anywhere, you know, wherever. Welcome
to Toledo.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
For the twenty four He liked Minor League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Major League Baseball All Star Game anywhere? Jason, did you
have one? Did you? I got DIBs on Fin White please? Okay,
and that's game time.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Gottlab Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, coming up next, how'd
Brownie played last night? Let's dig in next to the
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(00:46):
he joins us as our Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst.
We'll get to his thoughts from last night. So let me.
It's so funny. I get to ask all the time, like,
you know, what's it like? What's different than you thought?
(01:06):
So recruiting is very different in college basketball than it
used to be from this perspective, right when you're taking
international players, when you're taking portal players, you have some
time to make the decision, but you don't always have
a thorough up basis of knowledge of who the player
(01:28):
is and what they are. And especially now as you
open up the floodgates to international players, which is it's
kind of the gold rush, right, There's been some that
have come over and got made so much money that
now everybody's like, well, and it's easier to get them
into school to play. Then you go back five six years.
Previously it was just too many hoops, didn't make any sense.
They were already making money overseas. Now it doesn't really matter.
(01:51):
They can say they're still amateurs. They almost all have
good grades. They want to come to college, they want
to experience the United States. But this is what the
experience is actually like. I have agents from ten different
countries on my phone. Everybody communicates feel WhatsApp and they
(02:14):
send you a tape and it's a highlight tape and
then sometimes it's a full bio. Sometimes as full Game
says that if you watch the highlight tape for these players,
you'd be like, why isn't this guy in the NBA
draft and why is he available to come to Green Bay? Now,
sometimes it's because the financial ask is just completely out
(02:37):
of asserts. Sometimes it's because the guy isn't as tall
as it says, sometimes he's older. Sometimes you really can't
get him into the United States with his contract, and
he's really a pro, and they're just kind of messing
with you. But oftentimes it's because the highlight tapes don't
(02:59):
match the actual game. And I'm watching last night and
I have a couple of takeaways on both Bronnie James
and on Cooper Flag, But I think the biggest takeaway
will be if you didn't watch that game. And by
the way, I'm not trying to embarrass you guys. You
guys have lives as well, and it's not like it
(03:20):
was Game seven of the NBA Finals. Sam in order, Sam, Jason, Dan,
Did you guys watch the Lakers Mavericks Summer League game
last night? Sam?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I did not. Jason, I did, yep?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Okay, Dan?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I did?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay? Sam, What is your perception of each of the
players of first Bronnie and then of Cooper Flag and
how they played.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
You mean, how they played.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Baseb on no, how they played last night.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I didn't watch last night.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I know you didn't watch the game, but you have
seen highlights. You do on a phone. There are people
that again without having watched I'm sure you saw some highlights.
You are on social media. We text each other about
tweets all the time. What is your perception on how
they both played.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
I'll be honest, I didn't see any highlights. I know
nothing about this game. Okay, so I'm not the right
one to ask.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Fine, here's what I think if you watch highlights. Ronnie
James had two shots in a row in the first
half and then a drive and kickoff or dunk. Like man,
that's pretty good. Cooper Flag was five of twenty one
from the field. What was five to twenty one was
that he was he struggled shooting the basketball. And so
(04:43):
if you just look at ross stats, you'd be like, ma,
Bronnie was okay, didn't take a ton of shots, made
some shots, scored on. Cooper Flag was super tough in
the low post. Offensively. There's one highlight of him where
he at the end. It's called a foul on Cooper Flag.
We was trying to back him down, and Cooper Flagg
he just shot every time he got the ball. Okay, Now, Dan,
(05:06):
let me ask you, how'd you think Cooper played, how'd
you think Brownie played?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I thought the whole thing was a mess. I thought
that Cooper flag provided highlights that you look for, but
the whole thing is just gobblygook.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, Okay, Chase, do your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's like chaos.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
It's a bunch of players that haven't played together, I'm guessing,
and it looks like it. It's it's kind of like
it's either like a middle school game or a WNBA
game or both that it was just it's hard to
watch outside of those two guys that we were focused on.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, but in regards to those two guys, my takeaway
is again, I know that it can be overrated sometimes,
but presence is a thing. And for an eight year
old kid, he had the look of a guy that
knows he's going.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To be a dude.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Whereas Bronnie James looked like Okay, in comparison to last year,
he'd improve. Last year he ran from the ball, last
year he was not particularly good defensively, and last year
he looked tiny. This year still doesn't look big, a
little look stronger, looked like he knew kind of what
to do and where to go. But was just kind
(06:28):
of a guy. Like if you didn't know he was
Bronnie James, you wouldn't know who he was. Nobody. You
wouldn't say, like, who's that guy, Cooper Flagg. I think
you would say, boy, that kid must think he's really
really good because he takes a lot of shots. But
part of it is you're never going to get to
that place of being a dominant player unless you act
(06:51):
and try and play like a dominant player. Am I
making sense? Dan?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
That there's yeah, I thought he flashed last night. There
was especially in the first half, throw about like four
or five sequences think in a row where he was
either passing or dunking or doing something that yes.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Look like yeah that that that at some point that
will work. Yes, And that's really that's really what your
rookie year, high draft pick, summer league is about.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's it's like in golf, when you're not particularly good
at golf, or maybe you're modestly good, or you're really good.
I mean, Dan, you could be more to the judge
of where you're not. It's not about what you're round
is right, It's gonna be bad, right, It's a little
bit about the final score. But it's a lot about
those one or two shots that keep you coming back.
(07:41):
You know, yes, remember that drive on eleven. Now I'm
coming back. And if you're playing with a guy who's
not very good and he hits a drive on eleven, like,
you know, if he works on it, you know he
played a little bit more golf, he can be a
decent player.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
There's also in a similar parallel on Me and my
buddy were talking about this when I played with him
about a month or two ago. We were saying, because
we were both playing decent for how we played, but
we really stink like we're bad. But we're playing with
each other and we're, you know, shooting decent scores for us,
and you're like, when you play with someone that can
really play, you realize how much that you aren't good
(08:19):
at the game. And I felt like last night, like
there were guys out there that, yeah, maybe they could
look the part, maybe they can hit the three. But
when Cooper Flagg is doing what he's doing, it's just
a different animal.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, as opposed to Bronnie James, who again take you
take the the golf analogy, and he doesn't have to
shoot a sixty five but he has to look like
he could shoot a sixty five, if that makes any
sense to anybody. You don't have to shoot a sixty five.
You got to look like you could shoot a sixty five.
(08:53):
And he just doesn't. And what happens is what people
they'll they'll say, you know, like, oh, Bronnie's he doesn't stink.
He's not bad at basketball. He's just not a rotational
NBA player. He's not a He shouldn't be one of
the four hundred and fifty best players in the world
(09:13):
because if he was, after a year of being in
the NBA and the G League, he should have far
more control over what's going on in the court. As
you guys point out, look at I'm played together, look
at and done things like yes, but most guys who
have played a year in the NBA, even if they
(09:33):
have played a lot, like the game before was Oklahoma
City and they have the topic kid topic Nikolai Topich,
who like everybody thinks, is gonna be really good. They
had no minutes for him this year, but he looked like, Yeah,
that's gonna that's gonna work at some point, right like
(09:54):
he'd looked like he'd been around the course before Bronni
had some of that, but there was definitely no control
over the game. You're like, damn, he is at a
different level than everybody else. And if you play the
year in the NBA and played a portion of a
year in the g League, that's how you should look.
That's that's my breakdown of it. And there were some
(10:16):
times in which I was willing to like ooh okay,
but but the the times of where he looks the
part are still too few and far between in comparison
to his contemporaries. Coming next to the Dug got sorryh.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Could I continue the analogy here of the golf as
you guys were talking, Yeah, I'm sure Dan's familiar with
this guy. You know, you get paired with somebody in
a foursome the strangers, and then like midway through the round,
the guy will turn you and back, man, I never
played this bad. And that happens in poker too, Like
you'll be playing on a table and some guy like, man,
(10:55):
I never played this bad, and you're like, you know,
I I've seen the way you play, you know, I
saw your swing. You're probably bad all the time. And
I think that's what Doug is getting to and it
reminded me when Cooper Flag was, uh did the interview
after the game. It kind of reminded me of that
Cooper Flag was telling the world, Man, I never played
(11:16):
this bat not up.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
To my standard.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
But I'm gonna regroup them, all right. You know, it's
a new feeling, new environment, new teammates. But now the
guys haunted down, you know, Miles Ryan, they were amazing
to night. Max Oh and they were great tonight. So
you know, just you know, they had my back. You know,
I didn't have my best game, but I'm gonna just
keep going go forward.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah, yeah, there's just there's just a confidence to it,
like good go ahy Dan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I was gonna say, I'll tell you what I did
like about last night and because and what I what
I didn't like. So I tuned in like two minutes
into the game, so there was like seven to three,
there were two minutes gone by or something like that.
And for three trips down the court, I'm seeing number
thirty six and forty seven and number nine handle the
ball a lot for Dallas, Like what are we doing here?
(12:05):
This is not why this game is on ESPN right now?
That's not why fifteen thousand people are in the arena.
Cooper Flag hasn't touched the ball. That's just right when
I tuned in. But then Cooper Flagg got his opportunity.
And I know you're harsh on Bronnie. I'm to the point.
I even said this earlier this week on your show
when that was in for you and you were in
(12:25):
for the herd. Is At some point we got to
get past Bronnie, and I felt last night Bronnie understood
the assignment at the end of the game. He's the
one we wanted to see take that shot. Granted it
was a brick from twenty five feet out with a
guy in his face, but at least he understood the
assignment last night. You know, at some point, I think
we just kind of got to get passed, like his
(12:47):
name and where he was drafted.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
No, I agree with you. I am past that point.
I'm judging him, if you will, based on anybody else.
You know, there were times in which he really pressured
the ball at the point guard spot really well. But
then there are times in which he got exposed as
it was like fake pressure. You're just trying to pressure
guys and anybody who has any gumption gets by you,
(13:11):
and then it's kind of a la city. And while
he did look really good on the two shots he made,
that that's really about it. You know, Yeah, that's sort
of about it. And again I'm not judging on the
scale of could you survive? Right if this year? If
his performance last night was last year, I would have
(13:33):
been more enthused. But dude, when you play a year
in the NBA and in the G League and you
just kind of melt in, it just that's not enough
in comparison to what reasonable expectations are of others, regardless
of name, size, position, that have been in the NBA
(13:56):
for a year. That's my feelings.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
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What Up, No Not, jop Buck. Hope you're doing great
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the Bonus Plus Yeah this show podcast as well. Been
widely reported that the NCAA tournaments going to remain at
(14:32):
sixty eight teams for now. Both the men's and women's
basketball committees met this week to discuss expanding I love that. Hey, no, listen,
the women had a discussion about expanding the tournament two yes, uh,
the topic of expanding the field. This is from Dan Gavit,
who runs the event, and each championship was discussed at length,
(14:57):
but no decision or recommendation was made steal Bible. How
it comes include determines remaining of sixty eight teams or
expanding the field to seventy two or seventy six games
in advance of the twenty six or twenty seven championship seasons.
So that's pretty good. It's really good, really good. What
(15:21):
what's really good that they're starting to kind of show
their cards. It's my belief that whatever they found hasn't
give them total clarity as to what it's actually worth.
(15:42):
My guess is that there is not a clause in
there that opens up for renegotiation with any party. So
the NCAA signed a deal with CBS and Turner. Turner
pays eighty percent of it right now. Since then, recently,
Turner has has doubled down and they got way more
(16:06):
college sports than they ever used to. They got more
professional sports. Although they don't have the NBA. They don't
have the NBA, so not having the NBA, but they
still own and operate inside the NBA. Obviously they still
have the space there. Gonna be fascinating to see what
they do regarding the NCAA tournament in meaning, I would
(16:32):
guess that the wording doesn't say if you add games now,
Apple can bid, now, ESPN can bid, now, NBC can bid,
because if they did, then they absolutely would have added games.
They would have done it already because as much as
you know, you're only talking about adding two games or
(16:55):
four games, right, Remember, if you're at sixty eight, you're
gonna go to seventy two. You're adding when you're adding
four teams, that's two games. If you add if you
go from sixty eight to seventy eight, seventy six, excuse me,
you're adding four games, that's it. How much are those
(17:17):
four games worth? Not a ton unless the whole package
is now potentially for sale. And again this is just
an educated guess that the only thing they can do
now is hey, they meet with the committee, like, ah, okay,
we all want more money, we all need more money.
But if we're going to continue to destroy the fabric
(17:39):
of this thing, which is the sixty four team bracket.
That's all anybody cares about. How much is that worth
to us? And does it trigger a reopening of the
negotiation for the TV deal. If it did, I believe
this would have been approved. I don't think it does.
Ryan Holland's going to join us. We'll ask him about
Summer League and about this Lebron James Luka Doncik passing
(18:03):
of the torch in l a story that Ramona Shelburne
and Brian Windhorse author start Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio.
Ryan Hollins joins us this weekly visit. He's our Fox
Sports Radio NBA analyst. We both played in Summer League.
You well, you've made the team, You made the league
for ten years. Not so much for your boy. Let's
(18:24):
start with Bronnie. What was your email on Lebron James Junior.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
I thought he looked so much more comfortable on the floor.
I think for Bronni he's going to be a reliable,
reliable role player. I think he'll be a long time pro.
But it's just the biggest thing you can tell, so
a lot of the nerves from last year. And I
mean for the fiftieth pick, and obviously the being the
brons Don, the height is always going to be there.
(18:49):
But I thought he'd looked good out there. I thought
he looked confident and you know, you can see his
body developing and growing even more.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I would agree with you in terms of his comfort, okay,
and his confidence, but I would I would tell you
that my thing would be and again, you played in
the league. I didn't. Usually guys that played in the league,
when they come to play summer league, the expectations are
for them to be, if not the best, one of
the two or three best players of court. The NBA
players look different than summer league dudes. Is that fair?
Speaker 7 (19:19):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And I don't think he met that test. Did he
look better, yes, more comfortable, yes, stronger, sure, but did
he look like that guy's playing in the league up
for a year. He didn't fit that bill. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (19:36):
I mean, and again to each his own, you know,
in that in that situation, and I and here's the thing,
Like for Bronni's game, he's great playing off people, He's
a defender. Obviously that's gonna be had uh for himself
in his game. But he could go into a summer
league game and he's not gonna, you know, just just
(19:56):
he's not gonna blow you away with things that he's
gonna gonna do out there. And that doesn't mean that
he can't make a impact. And I think the biggest
thing he's gonna have to improve his spot up shooting,
and he's gonna have to be a dog defender. You know,
these are the things that we've been saying for a
long time in terms of Brownie. So I think that's
where you know, we're going to see his ultimate impact
at the end of the day, and you know they
(20:17):
were the improvements are gonna have to be made for him.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Steug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh okay,
Ryan Holins, I guess okay. Now, same question regards to
Cooper Flag. What do you think.
Speaker 7 (20:30):
I think Cooper is who who I thought he was.
I think he's gonna be excellent on a team where
he can run the lane and finish and use his athleticism.
He's not a guy you throw the ball to and
you say get out, get out the way. And I
think if those people had those expectations of him, they're
going to be disappointed, but he's at a perfect place
(20:52):
in Dallas where he's gonna bring a lot of length
inside to their to their them being already pretty good defensively,
he's a good outside shooter, and I think if you
can defend, that means you can get out and transition. Doug,
but he's best right now in transition, and I think
that's where Cooper is gonna essentially flourish. But with his intangibles,
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he's a great piece. And you know, when we say
role player, you a guy that can play on the floor,
like that's not a shot to any guys. Like a
lot of guys can't play in the NBA game and
they can't, you know, kind of fill a position. And
I don't think there's going to be an issue with Cooper.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I don't
know if you read the article earlier today, but Ramona Shelburne, I, oh,
you know well and Brian Windhorse, they co authored a
piece that said, hey, basically, the Lakers have gone from
Lebron involved in any decision to lebroad no longer involved
(21:47):
in every and any decisions. What are your thoughts on
the transition the Lakers are making.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
Well, you got to understand, you know, this is part
of have a new ownership. And I think the last
we talked, hey, those are things that you gotta you know,
you're gonna have to figure out. And you know, I
thought it was pretty obvious in Lebron's you know actions,
whether that was you know, told to him or not,
or how it was or wasn't conveyed, that he was
gonna he's looking to make a power play, like saying, hey,
(22:15):
you know I don't have to be here. Let's see
how you value me, you know, how this thing is
going to work without me at the end of the day.
So that's what I read, and I think either there's
accuracy to that statement or you know, he's going to
test the waters and kind of find out where he lands.
But I definitely, I definitely believe in that. I think
(22:36):
I think that's what's going on, and you know, Lebron
is smart enough to know that, and you know, you
see him being, you know, in a sense proactive. Hey
I'll go play somewhere else. So you're gonna have to
make a choice and say, oh no, no, no, no, don't
go play no nowhere else. You're good here, you're our
guy for good or not. But you know he's in
the position again. He's smart enough to force their hand
in a new ownership position.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Stug got Leaby show. You're on Fox Sports for Ryan
Hollins is our guest. You can hear on Fox Sports
Radio ALCS to see him. If you watch Houston Rockets games. Okay,
Oklahoma City. Now they're big three, is all locked up.
If you were running that place, is that what you
would have done?
Speaker 7 (23:16):
Yeah? You got to keep them happy. And one of
the biggest things that they've also shown is that they
are ops in the league and player development. So they
showed you the guys they can't recreate. They feel like
the rest of those guys are essentially interchangeable. We can
bring in Wiggins or Isaiah Joe and we can make
another one. You know, we feel like we have faith
(23:38):
enough in the system. But as far as those three,
you know, Jalen Williams and Shay and Chet, those are
the pieces that are not interchangeable. And that's what they
you know, they kind of let you know, and you know,
for what they've done, they won the championship. I always
believe that you reward the champ. You know, even if
it may set you back, even it may hurt you
(23:58):
a little bit moving forward, you take care of those
guys and you know, hopefully you can have a San
Antonio like build where you keep them there long term
and guys are comfortable and they trust you enough as
an organization and does forgive me if I'm wrong. I
think Okac is probably the closest. I think the Warriors
have been the Spurs of our generation, but okay See
(24:20):
has a chance to be the next generation Spurs if
they can keep that core intact and have kind of
like that family us against the world type mentality.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, no, I think. I mean, obviously, you know you
have Sam Presti came from the Spurs. They're trying to
be built like the Spurs, and you know, the Spurs
had a big three or four they built around for
years and they were just very fortunate for the most part,
those guys didn't get hurt. I mean, I think that
would be my biggest cause for concern would be Chet.
(24:50):
You know, he's played like a year and a half.
He was hurt the first year and then he played
eighty two and then he was hurt this year. Do
I think his jump shot develops, Yes, do I think
he's still a good protector, sure, But injuries I think
are the biggest issue with that one.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Yeah. No, No, you're you're You're spot on. And you know,
it's even intrigguing, intriguing when you look at Chet because
he's got such a unique bial with the size and
his skill set is just off the charts. You don't
see the guys that big. I think he's even an
answer too, almost you know, taller than I am, and
I'm a legit seven feet but you don't see those
guys being able to move like that. And the question,
(25:28):
you know, with the Chet is like, hey, do we
put weight on them or do we just get him stronger?
Do we just kind of injury prevention maintenance him? But
at the end of the day, I've always said this,
Shay's really darn good, like historically good. But for them
to win, that's got to be good. And you know,
and Chet becomes good, that's that's where the league really
(25:50):
gets in trouble, and even more so where he can
guard his physician and the and the fives on the floor,
because if you can hold his weight off at five,
you're you're not matching up with Okay, see, so he's
he's the key. So I agree with the investment into him.
And you got to assume they have the medical records
and they felt comfortable what they've seen from him and
with his age.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Do you like what's your reaction to the Mike Brown
hire with the Knicks.
Speaker 7 (26:17):
I thought Mike Brown did an unbelievable job in Sacramento
and it's not the sexiest pick. I'm sorry they didn't
go and you know, get get you know, one of
the name guys that they originally wanted to poach from
another team or you know, you know, like Jay Wright
or somebody like that. But Mike Brown is a darn
good coach and I worked with him and I thought
he did a heck of a job in Sacramento. And
(26:39):
I think he's gonna, you know, New York setting themselves
up with Mike Brown to you know, come back and
roll and have a strong level of success. So I
thought there was a great move by them, and you know,
I think that works out at the end of the
end of the day. And you know, Doug, you can
almost see it unfolding with everybody getting hurt, like, hey,
New York is right there, if not somewhat favorite in
(27:00):
this deal.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I it's interesting. I knew you couldn't replace Tibbs
with anyone who hadn't been to the conference finals or beyond.
So he fits that. Bill. He's coached in the NBA.
He's coached superstars in the NBA. It's like, what were
our expectations? Were we expecting Red Arbak to be the guid?
(27:24):
Like I don't really know what people what? What people
what people thought?
Speaker 7 (27:30):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Right? I like, well Bill Jackson, Oh, Bill Jackson's not
the coach, but then I don't like him, like again,
like this, that's not enough options out there when they
reached out and other guys are in a contract. Right,
you're the best man. Joy Summer League. Let's talk soon, Okay, Doug,
It's the Doug Outleb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
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(27:58):
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Speaker 2 (28:20):
Imber throwing and I'll break you of Blne the right
center based head.
Speaker 8 (28:23):
There's Rooker the second off with the ballas Harris around
third of the play to the plate is not nearly
in time, and Soners walks it off for the A's
starry Rooker from second base and the Athletics and the
eleventh inning come back and they win the series.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
How many people know that the A's are the Athletics.
I mean, I know we all do, right Bayern, you
just gave me a look, I'm senior.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I would hit like eight you think something it's pretty high.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it's as high
as you think. I think Oakland A's Like, what are
the Oakland A's for? Like, I don't know. It's just
the A's. They have a big A get you and
I do. I do because when I was I think
I was nine, I played on the A's. Uh, Jay Su,
what do you think percentages? Just getting your your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, I would say hi, at least three quarters, Sam,
I do think that the we I think this show
leads leads the league, leads the country, and trying to
guess what regular people think. Yeah, and it's always cashed
by I know we know it because we were in sports,
But what are regular people?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
I think a lot few, a lot more people don't
know that the Knicks are the Knickerbockers. If that's like
a parallel.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
It is. It is a parallel. It's a good parallel.
What are the other ones that are shortened? Trying to
think Oakland a's, the A's.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
I don't think there's an exhausting list ters, Terrapins, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, uh do we know the Knicks fighting Irish fighting
a line?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I I don't think that there's there's many.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Sam, did you know? I'm like, again, Sam, you knew
it is the athletics idea.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, I think it's seventy or higher without.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I just again, I'm I don't know this to be
real stats. But I felt like there's a lot of
people that for a long time had no idea that
the Brewers, for example, were in the National League, or
that the Astros in the American League. Like that took
a long time to really resonate with people, and as
(30:39):
baseball is, the A's used to be kind of a
like a phenomenon, right. They had Charlie Finley as her owner.
They had a lot of cool hip stuff. Then they
went from you know, Reggie Jackson to Ricky Henderson to
the Bash brothers uh And and Eckersley, and then they
kind of became the laughing stop of major League Baseball
after Moneyball. I just I don't know how many people go, like,
(31:02):
what does A stand for? Like the Oakland A's.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
I'll tell you this little known fact you may not
know about me. I was an Astros fan when I
was a kid. I liked the Houston Astros Glenn Davis.
Then he got Delta the Orioles in a deal involving
Kurt Shilling, Pete Harness, and Steve Finley. It was all
about the Killer Bees and Bagwell and Bigio. I remember
when Randy Johnson got traded there in ninety eight, and
(31:25):
then they then the Brewers jumped to the National League
and it's eight. I'm sorry, and so then it was
kind of yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Sorry, I was just you was talking to killer Bees,
and it just the bees made me have allergies. I
just steroids. Sorry, sorry, sorry about that. I just gotta
my sneeze usually comes in three, so just just be
wary of it. You're an Astros fan.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Huh, yes, yes, okay, yeah, I like.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
The old Astro was Nolan right?
Speaker 2 (31:51):
They used to have lairts broke their hearts in ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Sure do you remember, like the old Astro's uniforms like
with that whatever the colors like almost the color of
the sunset across the front. Yeah, I don't know what that. Yeah. Again,
my only memories of pre killer beesteroids.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
But in Houston is who wasn't? Like? Who was? I mean?
In Bizio bisioside think the story was great, starting out
as a catcher, moving positions to elongate his career.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Becomes Hall of Famer, remarkable, unbelievable. But before that era
of Astros, it was all Nolan Ryan, no hit or highlights. Right,
That's the only time, if you grew up in California,
the only time you would ever think, breathe anything about
the Astros was like Nolan Ryan. And then you know
(32:42):
was the Astrodome, which was again Astrodome was honestly made
most famous to our generation bad news bears, right, didn't
the play in the Astrodome? Was that the second Bad
News Bears. Once they played in the Astrodome, that was
before they went to Japan. Japan at some point they
went to as well.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
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Speaker 1 (33:05):
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Speaker 6 (33:24):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
BA Doug.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
The game today is I got tips, I got tips.
We throw a topic out there and everybody, yes, grabs.
What's theirs favorite summer sports? Three to one go? I
got golf, I was.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Tips.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
I got digs on baseball baseball.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Lump a chair, welcome in. We're gonna talk about baseball.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I got DIBs on minor league baseball in the summer.
They're trying to get you to the park. Cheaper hot dogs,
cheap beer, T shirt, cannons, Galore allow that.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah, you know what.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I went to Madison, Wisconsin to visit my friend and
this is summer and we was like, a this was
Mallard's game. Mallards, Yes, And it was such a good
time and the weather was perfect. This is twenty twenty twelve,
maybe twenty fourteen, Duck.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Pond at Warner Park ear least on Madison's east side.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
What a good time inside. And it's minor league baseball.
It hits different in the summer.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Summer hoops, specifically Las Vegas. Uh, it's not just about
the NBA Summer League. It's like the mecca for all
things USA basketball. Whenever they play, they train their all
youth hoops. Kind of all roads lead to Vegas, especially
when you're a LA kid. Summer hoops.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I love all right, next topic on the board, worst
name change in sports college or Pro three two one go?
I got Guardians hates the Guardians. Yeah, that's the worst.
I'm gonna give you one. Marquette. They were the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
They were the Hilltoppers first.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Okay, can I finish my can we were the Hilltoppers.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
I'm just trying. I'm just trying to put out.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
No God, they needed to get away from the Native
American imagery. Nobody, nobody is clamoring for the Golden State
Warriors to change their name because you know why, it's
not depicting of anything. They could have gone Trojan Warrior
like us. Instead they go Golden Eagles, like come on,
(35:57):
Marquette's the worst for me.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
It's terrible. It's terrible there. How could they do that?
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And the answer is no, it's not that puts Doug.
He's about three hundred.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Who is what song was he singing? I was trying
to make.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Too hot? Was it?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes? Scandal? Oh? For two guys, she was. She's saying scandal.
She's the lead singer Scandal. Yes, that's correct. I'm seeing
it right here. Wait, hold on, Patty, hold on Smith,
hold on, hold on, hold on, hold.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
On, So Jay, Sue, you were wrong about something music
and unwilling to admit it.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
No. I knew that there was a band. I didn't
know that she was a lead singer. So Dan's right. Yes,
at the end of the day, Dan was right.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
All right. Any other worst name changes you guys got.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
On, Yeah, lots of them. The Stanford Cardinal they were
the Stanford Indians. Everybody changed. Some Indians can't get it right.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I don't mind Cardinals pretty unique.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
It's Patty smythe Schmoye.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I mean, Washington Commanders is pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
All right, Guys, we talk about having the Final Four, Like,
if you were to have the Final Four in one city,
if you were to have the Super Bowl in one city?
What about if there was a permanent home for Major
League Baseball's All Star Game? Where would you want it
to be? Three to one? Go Yankee Stadium, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, give him a game that actually people care about.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I was just gonna say anywhere in Ohio because it's
kind of cool, easy to get to.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I guess everybody anywhere, anywhere, anywhere, you know, wherever. Welcome
to Toledo.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
For the twenty four He liked Minor League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Major League Baseball All Star Game anywhere? Jason, did you
have one? Did you? I got DIBs on Fin White please? Okay,
and that's game time.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
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