May 22, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the Knicks' historic collapse in game one of the Eastern Conference Finals to the Pacers and why he is comfortable calling it a choke job. Doug welcomes NBA Analyst and former player Ryan Hollins onto the show to get his reaction to the Knicks-Pacers game. Plus, Dan Beyer takes and the crew through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Not that coast, but I am on a shoreline, but
Sherman Oaks and Green Bay all together this mix. Welcome in.
We can talk about whether that was the greatest comeback
of all time or just the most recent great comeback.
How much of it was a choke job. There's a
lot to get to, but I do feel like Charles
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Barkley nailed it last night, as he has tendency to do,
where he was just like, how great a job do
we have where we get to talk about just this
unbelievable game. It was a great basketball game that had
an unreal finish, actually had a remarkable finish twice over right,
because you had the comeback in regulation and then the
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win in overtime, both by the Indiana Pacers. Uh and
you had the choke by the by the Knicks in
regulation and some mismanagement of the clock and game situation
in overtime. So bunch to get to by my colleagues,
Dan Byer, Jay stew Iowa, Sam all in the fold,
all in the mix. We've all watched the game, and
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that's what we're going to talk about. So here's what
I want to do, guys. Okay, here's what I'll do.
There's other parts to it we can get to, you
know where Aaron Nasmith started to make some shots. But
the heart of it is fifty one seconds to go
and the Pacers are up one twenty one, one twelve.
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I meancuse to be the Knicks are up uh one
twenty one one twelve, Star up nine points with fifty
two seconds to go. Now full disclosure, I'm watching this
as a basketball coach and I've lived some of this.
We had a couple of collapses Youngstown State at home,
Oakland at home, and there's a lot of similarities. Right.
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We didn't have a turnover against Oakland, had turnovers against Youngstown,
and we lost big leads and lost games late. Michigan
Tech at home up thirteen. Right, all these things have happened.
So I want to talk through those last fifty one
seconds and kind of get some of your guys thoughts.
I'll share some of my thoughts on how I'm watching it.
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You guys okay with that? Again, We're all okay with that?
Al right. So again, this is last night's game. If
you missed it, you missed it. The Nicks reps seventeen
in the fourth quarter nine with fifty two seconds to go.
Let's start with the first cut into that nine point lead.
Here's the call with the Pacers down one, twenty one twelve.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Hea Smith free card, another one from outside, and now
it is a six point game again.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Under a minute ago.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Holder is right there.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Pressure by the Pacers, Towns bridges times to the whole.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Smith again free got.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Here's a frame froward, five point game time out, taken
thirty four seconds to go.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Five consecutive threes for Nie Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Crazy right. The first thing is okay? The first three
now it's I do think the Knicks sort of stopped playing.
I think they sort of stopped playing first because that
first three that he hit. Remember, you're up nine points,
you can it's mathematically, you probably should foul there. You
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probably shoul should foul there, And you're like, why, Okay,
remember at that point he'd made three consecutive threes. If
you foul with fifty seconds to go on the ground,
whoever you foul, they it'll still be a three possession game.
And you get the ball in bounds, you get fouled yourself.
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You got a chance to get it right back to nine. Okay. Now,
when you're up nine, most people are not thinking, hey,
we want to protect this lead and be at a
and be at a and oh yeah, by the way,
it went from nine to six to eight. When you're
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up eight, you can also foul. It's not a three
possession game. It'd be a two possession game. But the
first thing is, there is a world where mathematically they
tell you, the analytics tell you you're up nine under
a minute, you foul because what happens is best case
scenario for them. They make both three throws, it's still
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a three possession game. Right, they make one out of two, Right,
they make zero out of two. Now you're no blood.
And if they make both it's seven. You throw it in.
You get fouled. And again remember in the NBA, you
get two shots. Even if you'll make one, it's at eight.
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But giving up two consecutive three point shots, and they
got progressively more difficult. But the first one he came
off a little. It's called top to top hand off.
And og Nanobi's nowhere to be found. He's just late.
That's where I think the Knicks just stopped playing.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And here's where og kind of screwed up. There was
a bounce pass from Jalen Brunson to Ognobi where it
slipped out of his hands trying to go up for
a dunk, and then he grabbed it back into the
last second. The call was eventually overturned. Here here's the call.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Bridges Zoo and bound cutting Brunson inside.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Bottle the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, they'll challenge this, they will, absolutely, they have to
challenge it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It was a loose ball. That's exactly what coach Carlisle
is saying.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So that gets overturned. Right now, it's a it's a
five point game, and Nie Smith again makes a three.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He'smith, it's a three. What's a two point game? Oh,
it's a two point game. We're twenty two seconds to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Go, And of course Carl Anthony Towns misses one of
two three throws, and you'll never guess who hits his
sixth consecutive three.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Runs him to windbound on the ball. You do, and
it's picked up by heart now bruns him splits to
They try and flies feeds.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Hawk is ticking. There's a top and fall on tons. Wow.
You turnover on the inbounds.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It looked like Josh Hart was going down.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Josh harten my wig.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Of his shoes.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
He slipped, oh Man, great recovery there by Heart and
then he slipped on offfense.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh and then after the Nie Smith three, Ognanobi takes
the pous Now again it's a one point game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
One point game. Hard to inbound Funson's got it.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Oh throws it away but kicked up right there an
andob and quickly fouled Vi siakam.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Wow, what a myth opportunity there by Indiana Wow.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
New York very close to a couple of turnovers here.
At the end of the game. Brunson just gets up
off of his feet and throws the ball, tries to throw.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It off Nie Smith.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I think Anonobe nce recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so oj Andobi who uh miss some defense to
some defensive coverages. The ball slips out of his hands
on a layup where he could have shot faked. He
gets it back, he loses the ball. Then he steps
up and he only makes one out of two. So
it's a two point game, end of regulation. Here's what happens.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Two point game, Indiana with it Halliver, don't take it.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
He'll back bet on a free from the.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
I gotta make sure he got all the way behind
the line.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That's right. He certainly got it off in three of time. Oh,
I think that's a two that goes in. That's gonna
be a two that only ties the game.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
That ties the game, we're gonna be going overtime.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Unbelieve he tried to give right so that those calls
uh via TNT. There's a lot to dig into. Tyre's
Haliburton going in for a layup. He gets picked up
a great defensive player to pick him up. He back
pedals back, dribbles back, and chucks the three while just
barely being on the line. It goes to overtime, and
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then the Pacers win the game in overtime. I've seen
a lot I've I haven't seen it like that. Uh
It took a special shooting performance by Aaron Nasmith, It
took an unbelievable play bounce and amount of intelligence by
Tyrese Haliburton. And what's craziest is yes og and Obi
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thought three different possessions choked on the play. But Jalen
Brunson wasn't great either, right, could have thrown that basketball
away two times. Josh Hart fell down in guarding Naysmith,
one time coming off the screen, and then nearly fell
down and slipped on the inbounds play. There's a lot
of blame to go around. I heard Colin say the
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Knicks didn't choke. Look at the shot making by the Pacers, Like,
I don't know what to tell you, but if you
turn the ball over, if you missed two out of
four free throws down the stretch, and if you don't
cover an elite three point shooter who makes six consecutive threes,
I don't know what else you would call it. That
was absolutely an obscene choke job. Now does it have
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to have elements of a comeback and the confidence of
the pacers and the way they play because they don't panic, right,
It wasn't like they came down the court and just
jack threes with a hand in their face, falling away
and made miracle shots. Those are off of set plays,
quick hitters, and they all worked. But they've been down
before and they don't change, they don't freak out. So
there is a lot of skill that goes with it.
But if you're the New York Dicks, you have to
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win those games at that game. Have to win that game,
have to have to. The only saving grace is one
they've had their own comebacks, right, so maybe it's karma
working out their own comebacks against the Knicks twice two
We've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder choke away a game
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in similar sort of fashion Game one against Nuggets came
back and won the series, So there is a We
have seen teams overcome it in the past, but that's
as devastating a way to lose a game as as
I can think of. Byer, what just give me? You watch,
you've processed, you've thought go.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
So I actually, Doug think it goes back to when
they had the lead at around two minutes or so.
The Knicks and Jalen Brunson had hit a three previously
on a trip down but ended up shooting another three,
and then Karl Anthony Towns chucked up another three, where
I felt, at any point you get a basket at
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that point point, maybe the Pacers kind of wave the
white flag. They ended up not doing so. On one
occasion they got a three, and then the next occasion,
Siakam made a free throw got fouled. But I figured
if they got any bucket in that situation that it's
probably the end of the game. But ultimately, the play
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that I think cost them the most was the og
An Andobe fumble underneath the basket, because it is a
sure bucket go up seven twenty nine seconds left, instead
he botches it. Not only does do you not get
the points, you then give the ball to Indiana, which
then continues the whole string of it. But if you
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go up seven at that point with twenty nine left
to go, I mean, I just I think that I
think that's pretty good spot to be in. And considering
it was point blank range and just not being able
to grab the ball, I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think it was a good pass. Okay, And again one
of the flaws to Jalen Brunson, and and when I
say this, you know, people who don't know basketball will
be like, you're a heater, like Jalen Brunson is literally
my favorite player in the NBA. But he's not an
elite passer. It's not actually what he does. He's not
an elite passer. He can pass, but he's a he's
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a scoring point who can pass, not a not a
guy who creates shots for others. So it wasn't a
particularly good pass, and it is one of those where
you drive in if you just throw it to the rim,
he catches it and he dunks it whatever, So instead
you play kind of classic Villanova jumpstop basketball. Great efficient,
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not a great pass, but an og Nobi lost the
basketball and the only thing you can think of there
is to nerves, right you're trying to get it up
quick balls out of your hands.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
The same with it with the Bucks. Remember when Gary
Trent was so great at the end and then he
just had the ball go through his leg twice like
it was but the one throw his legs, you're just like,
wait a second, what is this? And this was the
one where you're right at the basket and for some
reason you can't reel it in at that point. I mean,
there were we could make an argument for all of
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those plays that you made, I just felt for some
reason that one was the one to me that stood
out as the one that that you.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, here's the thing, here's the thing. Like again, and
I'm not saying the Nova guys were perfect, but we
all make the assumption that these are grown men, they're professionals,
they're the best in the world, that they don't get
rattled og and Andobi was rattled. He was rattled, right
there's the video of him and kar Anthony Town's yelling
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at each other on the bench right before that. He
was rattled. He has never been that situation before. And
he absolutely choked in that position. And again I'm admitting
it wasn't a perfect pass. But when you combine the
fact that he was laid on a switch and it
was a Nasmith three with the fact that he missed
one out of two free throws where he makes both
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free throws, game sad match and he drops the ball.
As you point out at the rim, they're up five.
That's up seven, game sead match. And this is it's
classic man in the arena stuff. You ask anybody they watched,
they'd be like, yeah, he kind of blew that game.
I blew that game.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
I mean, Haliburton was magnificent, Nie Smith was unworldly. But
the Pacers just they may have looked frantic, but they
didn't look like they were they ever panicked. And in
just in those situations it may have been a little
helter skelter, but my goodness, they had a plan. And
then when the Knicks needed to make shots, dug in
overtime and they jumped out to the lead in overtime
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and gave it back. And then when they needed to
make shots, they couldn't do it. You couldn't make one.
Brunts and missed Cat missed. I think it was brunts
in on the out of bounds, you know, the pass
out to the wing that the flex off of I
think it was maybe Nemhard hit it and then it
went off of Brunson's hand and turn over there. Just
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unbelievable lack of execution by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Crazy, absolutely crazy, Jay Stu Again, I know you don't
profess yourself as a purveyor of breaking down basketball games,
but in terms of chokes, comebacks, however you want to like,
it happens. So I will tell you, being on the sideline,
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having been on the other side of some of those.
I watched last night, and I swear to God, I
said this last night was God Once next year I
got to be on the other side of one of
these because it happened so fast, and sometimes there's sometimes
there's nothing you can do. As a coach. You can
tell them what to do, just like, just do this,
you win the game. And if one guy doesn't do
it and they hit a three, like you know all
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the planning in the world. But Jay Stu, where is
this one in your pantheon of choke jobs? Whatever you
want to turn it.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
I'm just going to offer up some stats.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
You know me, I'm I'm less interested about what happened
than how it was covered. And it seemed like even
the people that are most uncomfortable using the word choke
we're using it in the wake of what happened last night.
Uh Cowherd saying it wasn't a choke. He's a true
outlier if that's what he said and he did. I'm
going to offer you two stats. Dan, you wanted to
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go back to like the three minute mark, right, you know,
in the history of the NBA and the playoffs, the
team that is trailing by fourteen points with two point
fifty left is zero in nine hundred and seventy and
now they're one in nine hundred and seventy. I'm going
to offer you this, since you wanted to start at
fifty seconds, Doug, going into last night's game, in the
history of the NBA Playoffs, teams that were up nine
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with fifty seconds left were uh, one thousand, four hundred
and fourteen and zero, and now they're one, four hundred
and fourteen and one. I think those two stats are
empirical evidence that this was the largest choke job in
the history of the NBA Playoffs, and that can't be disputed.
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So I'm not going to be talked off that ledge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I don't expect you to. I appreciate that number is
so alarming, like that game should be over, and I
get why you didn't foul up nine. You're like, it's
never happened before, but it's one of those where you
eliminate with a foul up nine, you eliminate the ability
to make it a two possession game. A two possession game.
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is in the Pacers Radio Network. Two point games, six
seconds to go. Halliburton driving, he's in the lane, he
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nearly lost, and he backs up and unloads a three.
That did not happen.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
It hit the back of the rim, hit popped high
into the.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Air, and it dropped gently through the net. Unbelievable, calling
the Pacers Radio Network. It's one thing to hit a
game winner or a game tire, right, it's a lot
of It's like kd back when he's with the nets
where his toe is on the line. It's another thing
for it to hit the back rim, go up in
the air, even more drama, and then go in. Ryan
Hollins joins us ten year NBA VET. He's the voice
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of the Houston Rockets circular analyst on the TV side
in the regular season, he's also our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst. And right, how would you characterize last night's
win by the Pacers breaking?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Breaking? Breaking? When when you're the team, it's different, Doug,
We've been there before. When you're the team that is
the the Hunter, it's different. And I picked the Pacers
in the series. I've been talking about him for a
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while now. And when you're the hunt Hed, it's different.
This series New York is a Hunted and it's a
bad matchup because the Pacers move the ball. They move it,
and when the game gets tight, they still move to basketball. Now, Doug,
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you know what we do in the locker room in
this situation. You're gonna assume that Tibbs today is gonna
meet and the one thing they're gonna watch is probably
the last five minutes in overtime. And what you're gonna
see is brunts and one on one cat, one on one,
brunts and one on one cat, one on one. And
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when you look on the other side, you're gonna see
kick ahead, You're gonna see nim hard wide open, You're
gonna see a ball movement, You're gonna see Ali Burton
getting in the lane. You're gonna see the pieces running
offense in wearing New York down. And it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Necessarily a big, huge.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Meltdown, Like New York didn't just fucked the game like
tat mess the free throw. Maybe it's like turnover here
and there. The game wasn't hunted. This is a possession
by possession walkdown or Indiana hit shots that they had
been hitting all playoffs of long Doug.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I get it. I know they look I mean, I
know they've been hitting shots. They've been playing this way.
But the Knicks missing two out of four free throws,
I thought Og clearly blowing an assignment there on a
little top to top hand off and the ball slipping
out of his hands when a dunker layup wins wins
the game up five. Like like you said, backbreaking? Backbreaking?
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How do you come back from this? How do you
gather yourself and go like, hey, we're good, don't worry,
we're good here. If you're the.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Nicks, it's a mentality scene. And then Knicks are a
tough team. It's a tough group. I think the big
challenge is that just a mental toughness and understanding. And
when we saw Indiana, I knew there is the this
year earlier, you know, when our Rockets went over there
and played them. But it's the multiple actions that you
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have to guard. Bibbs likes to pressure the basketball, likes
to be tough, likes to, you know, put bodies on
Halliburton and people like that. It's a strategic thing because
they mentally wore down. And you're talking about the mistakes defensively.
At a certain point when you got to guard Doug
what do we what? Thirty to fifty dribble handoff actions,
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thirty to fifty cuts, and then you got to score
on the other end, they're getting worred down. You got
to play campaign this series, dude, you got to go
eight deep if your TIBs because guess what Rick carl allis.
These are mental errors. These are fatigue errors, these are
emotional errors. The Knicks are good enough. He just beat
the Celtics and they were beating them before Jason Tatum
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got hurt. These are mental errors. So you're gonna have
to trust your bench, or you're gonna have to play
some zone. You're gonna have to slow things down and
You're gonna have to really really buckle down and understand
where you're the team that came back down twenty right,
You're the team that was machismo and doing all the
things and flushing part of a champion. Let do what
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you do. Jennathan ain't the such this ball player. He
might not be able to jump over Folk book, Doug, Right,
guess what they got.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
They got three Bronston's on the other high on the side.
They got them hard snigmart don't jump. He plays. He
plays like Brunton does, just.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
A lower version of it. Ali Burton ain't making all
Airports team.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
He skiind is around. He knows how to play the game.
TJ McConnell, you would pick him out of the lineup
walking down the street, dude, Doug, you walk right.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
By TJ McConnell.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Okay, So you gotta go through these guys that.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Play your style of basketball confidence.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Against you in your house, and you gotta.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Finish the game. You gotta be tougher, and when you
get up, you gotta punish Indiana, bro, because if you
didn't learn anything, they'll walk you down.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
And all those actions and all those shots maybe they were.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Missing earlier when they started hitting them. You better believe.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Ryan Hollins. Okay, let's get to tonight's game.
How do you guard Shay Gildas Alexander and pressure him
without fouling him.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
You got to be incredibly disciplined against Shae and the challenge.
When you play Shay and Williams and even more Shae,
you gotta be prepared for the bump. Everything he does
is predicated off the bump, So you're gonna hit you
one two step back, one two drive, read one two
handed the cookie jar foul. We saw it with James Harden,
we saw it with Jamar de Rozen And normally these
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guys like Brunson and Shay, when they give me situations,
they're not as effective. But Shay's completely stayed effective. I'm
daring somebody else to beat me. I'm boxing and elbows.
I'm making them pick. And he's a tough cover because
he works from warring, works on the top of the
key and then he gets downhill, so when you run doubles,
he can look at you. So I'm sitting on that
now and I'm going to force the contested hard close
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up and I'm sending you into my health. Now the
problem is on the other side, and Doug, we talked
about this. Minnesota's offense ain't gonna be good enough. They
playoff energy, they playoff talent, and you're not gonna out energy. Okay,
See at their game, they have the best on ball
defenders in the league. They play together. They're small, but
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they man, They dug better than anybody. They move on
the string, you know how we're talking about Indiana and
Bald Blue and all that. They move defensively with the ball.
They moved together with the ball. So if you're Minnesota,
you almost gotta slow things down. You gotta play big
and sign. You gotta throw the ball into Rudy Gobertt
when he has a mismatch. And I'm gonna tell you
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something else. If you don't attack check Holme Grin and
you don't get physical with check houl Grin, Perius is over.
The only way that you beat Oklahoma City is not
just stop in shape. You have to attack check because
now they got to pivot to another place where they
have to go. And that's why the Nuggets gave him
so many problems because you couldn't dare put chet on
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Yo Kisch and you you damn near putt put them
on Aaron Gordon. And if Aaron Gordon doesn't pull a hamstring,
we're talking about member moving forward. But if you can't
attack chet.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
The other part to it is when Anthony Ewarts has
the ball, they're playing so deep into the gaps right
that you can't you can't get to the basket. How
would you He talked about playing off the basketball more,
which I like as well, how do you think how
else do you think you combat that type of almost
college like loading defense man.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You got to get out and get in transition. I
agree with putting him off the basketball. And the one
thing is, you know, you got to get your best shooters.
You got to get guys in positions where they can
where they can hit shots, and you gotta trust them
because that's going to like clear the nail. One thing
we used to do in Boston. You know, Doc was
really big on getting the help off the nail. So
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if you had a two guy loaded side, we'd always
cut through off the nails just so that help wouldn't
be there. And you got to be really tricky about
the way you do it, maybe you post ant, get
them in the mid post, maybe play them off the elbow,
so that mail help is a little harder. You force
guys that have to commit more. And the thing about
Aunt is you got to scheme it. Okay, Finch is
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going to have to scheme him open right now because
when all do respect, he doesn't have the idea. Not
that he's not a great basketball player, not that he's
not excellent one on one, but he doesn't manipulate the game.
Yet he scores, but he don't manipulate it. So you know,
Finch is gonna have to be creative and they're gonna
have to go Brian defensively. And again, like I talked about,
he's gonna have to get Rudy one or two layups
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or get a wide open three for nas Reed or
Devincenzo or some of those guys. And now that clays
the nail up. But if I'm okac edging off the
nail and it's something the Lakers did. But the Lakers
were so slow, Doug. You saw it like they couldn't
even rotate to the second and third pass. So they
kind of show a wall to Edwards and then there
was no efforts after that.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, it was kind of crazy, really really really crazy
on how they guarded and you know, they dared other
Minnesota players to beat them and they were unable unable
to do so. Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, okay,
so who's most likely to come back in series? I
know only one game in and usually we at one games.
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But because of how backbreaking Game one was for the Knicks,
and because of you know, the thought that the Oklahoma
City looks like a bad matchup for Minnesota, who's more
likely to come back and make it into a quality series?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
New York the horrible matchup for the Wolves. They're too similar,
like like like Anthony Edwards right now has to out
athletic you out one on one you or Julius Randalls
downhill and he's been pretty damn good these playoffs, and
you're not gonna be okayc like that. You're gonna beat
them inside. And that's the that's the problem with the Wolves.
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It's a horrible matchup. Horrific matchup in New York has
a much better shot. That team has too much character
and they're two talented, too much fight to just go away.
But they're gonna have to. And it's weird we're talking
about how great Brunston is is finishing games. They're gonna
have to be fresh, you know, They're gonna have to
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kind of find a way to slow down the pacers,
and then you gotta you gotta find a way to
finish better. And again, I don't think you're one one
beats their ball a little bit and that's going to
be the story of the day. But I would be
very surprised if New York just rolls over and goes away.
I don't I don't see that team with how how
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they played and how tough they are and how talented.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I agree with you, but man, that's gotta be a
tough one to come back from. That was that was
a hard one.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
You haven't seen anything like that, fugle Man. I didn't.
I didn't get to ask you, Doug.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Have you ever in the history of basketball seen in
the two point game guy dribbles to the rain and like,
you know, you plached. That's what it looked like a
horse shot or like you know, you played.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Knockout like knockouts and a guy dribbled back and hit
a three like that.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean, look we we we lost the game up
up five eighteen seconds to go with the ball. So
I mean, I I saw some stuff this year that
I've never seen before. But no, I've never seen tyres
Helburt and like, look he had a layup right and
then and the knicks, you know, so he had a
layup and then all of a sudden, the next switch
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which is a smart switch, and then he just backtorubles
into a third. Like no, I've never seen it before.
That was like something doing a video that you do
that on two K. You don't do that in real life.
That's it. That's a two K.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Can I say, Cohnahs on Fox Sports Radio?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Is that yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Word you got? You gotta have some Tahonahs in it
in a two point game in the garden and take
that shot like that's crazy, Like in like, the first
thing runs through my mind, did he work on that shot?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Like?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Do you work on that shot?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
And and and it's almost like I don't know if
he knew what he's doing or he just.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Improvised it, but the footwork to throw up to like
and he hit the shot first Cleveland, So you can't
say he just pulled it out of his out of
thin air like the Cohonas for for Haliburton to make
that play in the gardens, everything agains you backs against
the wall. Your dad's kicked out of the playoffs, like
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like the dude's just wallow.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Incredible, incredible This Stug Golley Show, Fox Sports Trade. Ryan,
you're the best man.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Thanks for joining us anytime, Doug appreciate it.
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I'm gonna guest host the Dan Colin Cower. I'm gonna
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to a game.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
What I got there, Dan Bart, Doug. The game on
this Thursday is I feel a draft drafting the worst
blown leads or choke jobs in sports that you can remember.
Jason Stewart as the first overall pick. Doug, you are second.
Iowa Sam third, and I'll follow fourth, and we'll reverse
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it in that order of the second round. All right, Jason,
you are on the clock.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
This is my sport, so I guess it's the first
thing that I thought of when I read this topic.
Thirty nine years ago, Shase Stadium Game six, Shase Stadium
Game six. People forget it wasn't game seven, Game six.
The Mets still had to win another game, but nobody
remembers that because Bill Buckner not fieled a routine ground
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ball with the winning run at second base. Mookie Wilson
was the hitter. Bill Buckner is my all time choke
job ever.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Wow, Buck, they're off the board at one.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Doug.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
You're up at number two.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Twenty eight to three, twenty eight to three. The Atlanta
Falcons are up twenty eight to three. You know it
had They just kicked a field goal after an unbelievable
catch by Julio Jones. If you remember that catch, it's
one of the greatest catches I've ever seen in my life.
The balance getting feed in all that stuff, and a
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lot like the choke comeback last night, like Julian Edelman
catching a ball with his feet. Remember, the team that
wins has to do some special stuff, just like the
Pacers did some special stuff. But twenty eight to three
in the Super Bowl got the Patriots dead to rights,
and you can't close the deal. I can't think of
a bigger one or a bigger game than the Falcons
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collapsing in the Super Bowl to Tom Brady and the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
We've started off strong with two very good picks. I
think that if you put that in of each sport like,
it'd be tough to argue that those aren't the biggest
choke jobs in those respective sports. Let's go over to
Sam Iowa. Sam at number three.
Speaker 11 (35:21):
You guys know I love to draft obscure moments in
sports history, ones that I've taken in personally. Let's go
to Big ten basketball. This was twenty twenty three Michigan
State had a ninety one to seventy eight lead on
Iowa with a minute thirty four left. The Hawkeys would
hit six of nine threes down the stretch. They would
force overtime and win it. One twelve, one oh six.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Definitely up there with Buckner and the twenty eight three.
Speaker 11 (35:48):
I think I did have the falcons, but of course
that was already picked.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
Should I be mad that you stole my pick? Sam,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
I know that was right on the tip of your
tongue there.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
I think that if if there was a Mount Rushmore,
I think Buckner's there. I think twenty eight to three
is there. I'm sorry, Greg Norman is there? Augusta nineteen
ninety six, blowing the six shot lead in the final round.
Nick Faldo ends up claiming his third Green jacket, but
Greg Norman in the ninety six Masters. All right, now
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we're going to go a little off the board and
I may take Iowa. Sam's here at number five, twenty
sixteen ncublea tournament. It was awesome because kid from my hometown,
Paul Jessperson hits a half court shot for Northern Iowa
to beat Texas in the first round of the NC
DOUBLEA tournament. Good one. You still see it in one
shining moment. People forget what happened in the next rounds
in Northern Iowa, they blew a twelve point lead with
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under forty five seconds left and lost in double overtime
to Alex Caruso and the Texas A and m Agis.
That's crazy. In fact, it was under forty seconds when
Texas saying I'm actually did score their bucket to trim
it to ten. But so you could say, twelve point
lead technically with under forty seconds left in the NCAA
tournament and the Eggies ended up advancing. It's a good one, Dan,
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good one. All right, all right, Sammy quickly here.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
Staying in Big ten sports, another obscure one. Let's go
to two thousand and six John L. Smith's last year
as the head coach for the Michigan State Spartans football team.
Pat Fitzhields first year and Michigan State opens with a
three to zero lead, They get outscored thirty eight nothing.
They end up winning forty one to thirty eight.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
How about that? Another one that probably took it from
Jason or Doug. Okay, yeah, all right, Doug.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Alcs Game four, Red Sox trailing the Yankees, Hey, trailing
the Yankees? Two? What were they trailing them?
Speaker 7 (37:58):
They're I think you just say a four Alcs.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
There you go, oh, four Alcs, there you go, Dune deal.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
My apologies to all my family in Upstate New York
and Western New York. But I got two words, not
scoreword not score would super Bowl twenty five.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
That's game time.
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Not that coast, but I am on a shoreline, but
Sherman Oaks and Green Bay all together this mix. Welcome in.
We can talk about whether that was the greatest comeback
of all time or just the most recent great comeback.
How much of it was a choke job. There's a
lot to get to, but I do feel like Charles
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Barkley nailed it last night, as he has tendency to do,
where he was just like, how great a job do
we have where we get to talk about just this
unbelievable game. It was a great basketball game that had
an unreal finish, actually had a remarkable finish twice over right,
because you had the comeback in regulation and then the
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win in overtime, both by the Indiana Pacers. Uh and
you had the choke by the by the Knicks in
regulation and some mismanagement of the clock and game situation
in overtime. So bunch to get to by my colleagues,
Dan Byer, Jay stew Iowa, Sam all in the fold,
all in the mix. We've all watched the game, and
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that's what we're going to talk about. So here's what
I want to do, guys. Okay, here's what I'll do.
There's other parts to it we can get to, you
know where Aaron Nasmith started to make some shots. But
the heart of it is fifty one seconds to go
and the Pacers are up one twenty one, one twelve.
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I meancuse to be the Knicks are up uh one
twenty one one twelve, Star up nine points with fifty
two seconds to go. Now full disclosure, I'm watching this
as a basketball coach and I've lived some of this.
We had a couple of collapses Youngstown State at home,
Oakland at home, and there's a lot of similarities. Right.
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We didn't have a turnover against Oakland, had turnovers against Youngstown,
and we lost big leads and lost games late. Michigan
Tech at home up thirteen. Right, all these things have happened.
So I want to talk through those last fifty one
seconds and kind of get some of your guys thoughts.
I'll share some of my thoughts on how I'm watching it.
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You guys okay with that? Again, We're all okay with that?
Al right. So again, this is last night's game. If
you missed it, you missed it. The Nicks reps seventeen
in the fourth quarter nine with fifty two seconds to go.
Let's start with the first cut into that nine point lead.
Here's the call with the Pacers down one, twenty one twelve.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Hea Smith free card, another one from outside, and now
it is a six point game again.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Under a minute ago.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Holder is right there.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Pressure by the Pacers, Towns bridges times to the whole.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Smith again free got.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Here's a frame froward, five point game time out, taken
thirty four seconds to go.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Five consecutive threes for Nie Smith.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Crazy right. The first thing is okay? The first three
now it's I do think the Knicks sort of stopped playing.
I think they sort of stopped playing first because that
first three that he hit. Remember, you're up nine points,
you can it's mathematically, you probably should foul there. You
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probably shoul should foul there, And you're like, why, Okay,
remember at that point he'd made three consecutive threes. If
you foul with fifty seconds to go on the ground,
whoever you foul, they it'll still be a three possession game.
And you get the ball in bounds, you get fouled yourself.
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You got a chance to get it right back to nine. Okay. Now,
when you're up nine, most people are not thinking, hey,
we want to protect this lead and be at a
and be at a and oh yeah, by the way,
it went from nine to six to eight. When you're
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up eight, you can also foul. It's not a three
possession game. It'd be a two possession game. But the
first thing is, there is a world where mathematically they
tell you, the analytics tell you you're up nine under
a minute, you foul because what happens is best case
scenario for them. They make both three throws, it's still
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a three possession game. Right, they make one out of two, Right,
they make zero out of two. Now you're no blood.
And if they make both it's seven. You throw it in.
You get fouled. And again remember in the NBA, you
get two shots. Even if you'll make one, it's at eight.
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But giving up two consecutive three point shots, and they
got progressively more difficult. But the first one he came
off a little. It's called top to top hand off.
And og Nanobi's nowhere to be found. He's just late.
That's where I think the Knicks just stopped playing.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And here's where og kind of screwed up. There was
a bounce pass from Jalen Brunson to Ognobi where it
slipped out of his hands trying to go up for
a dunk, and then he grabbed it back into the
last second. The call was eventually overturned. Here here's the call.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Bridges Zoo and bound cutting Brunson inside.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
Bottle the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Oh, they'll challenge this, they will, absolutely, they have to
challenge it.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It was a loose ball. That's exactly what coach Carlisle
is saying.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
So that gets overturned. Right now, it's a it's a
five point game, and Nie Smith again makes a three.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He'smith, it's a three. What's a two point game? Oh,
it's a two point game. We're twenty two seconds to.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Go, And of course Carl Anthony Towns misses one of
two three throws, and you'll never guess who hits his
sixth consecutive three.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Runs him to windbound on the ball. You do, and
it's picked up by heart now bruns him splits to
They try and flies feeds.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Hawk is ticking. There's a top and fall on tons. Wow.
You turnover on the inbounds.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
It looked like Josh Hart was going down.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Josh harten my wig.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Of his shoes.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
He slipped, oh Man, great recovery there by Heart and
then he slipped on offfense.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh and then after the Nie Smith three, Ognanobi takes
the pous Now again it's a one point game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
One point game. Hard to inbound Funson's got it.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Oh throws it away but kicked up right there an
andob and quickly fouled Vi siakam.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Wow, what a myth opportunity there by Indiana Wow.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
New York very close to a couple of turnovers here.
At the end of the game. Brunson just gets up
off of his feet and throws the ball, tries to throw.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
It off Nie Smith.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I think Anonobe nce recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so oj Andobi who uh miss some defense to
some defensive coverages. The ball slips out of his hands
on a layup where he could have shot faked. He
gets it back, he loses the ball. Then he steps
up and he only makes one out of two. So
it's a two point game, end of regulation. Here's what happens.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Two point game, Indiana with it Halliver, don't take it.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
He'll back bet on a free from the.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
I gotta make sure he got all the way behind
the line.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
That's right. He certainly got it off in three of time. Oh,
I think that's a two that goes in. That's gonna
be a two that only ties the game.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
That ties the game, we're gonna be going overtime.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Unbelieve he tried to give right so that those calls
uh via TNT. There's a lot to dig into. Tyre's
Haliburton going in for a layup. He gets picked up
a great defensive player to pick him up. He back
pedals back, dribbles back, and chucks the three while just
barely being on the line. It goes to overtime, and
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then the Pacers win the game in overtime. I've seen
a lot I've I haven't seen it like that. Uh
It took a special shooting performance by Aaron Nasmith, It
took an unbelievable play bounce and amount of intelligence by
Tyrese Haliburton. And what's craziest is yes og and Obi
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thought three different possessions choked on the play. But Jalen
Brunson wasn't great either, right, could have thrown that basketball
away two times. Josh Hart fell down in guarding Naysmith,
one time coming off the screen, and then nearly fell
down and slipped on the inbounds play. There's a lot
of blame to go around. I heard Colin say the
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Knicks didn't choke. Look at the shot making by the Pacers, Like,
I don't know what to tell you, but if you
turn the ball over, if you missed two out of
four free throws down the stretch, and if you don't
cover an elite three point shooter who makes six consecutive threes,
I don't know what else you would call it. That
was absolutely an obscene choke job. Now does it have
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to have elements of a comeback and the confidence of
the pacers and the way they play because they don't panic, right,
It wasn't like they came down the court and just
jack threes with a hand in their face, falling away
and made miracle shots. Those are off of set plays,
quick hitters, and they all worked. But they've been down
before and they don't change, they don't freak out. So
there is a lot of skill that goes with it.
But if you're the New York Dicks, you have to
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win those games at that game. Have to win that game,
have to have to. The only saving grace is one
they've had their own comebacks, right, so maybe it's karma
working out their own comebacks against the Knicks twice two
We've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder choke away a game
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in similar sort of fashion Game one against Nuggets came
back and won the series, So there is a We
have seen teams overcome it in the past, but that's
as devastating a way to lose a game as as
I can think of. Byer, what just give me? You watch,
you've processed, you've thought go.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
So I actually, Doug think it goes back to when
they had the lead at around two minutes or so.
The Knicks and Jalen Brunson had hit a three previously
on a trip down but ended up shooting another three,
and then Karl Anthony Towns chucked up another three, where
I felt, at any point you get a basket at
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that point point, maybe the Pacers kind of wave the
white flag. They ended up not doing so. On one
occasion they got a three, and then the next occasion,
Siakam made a free throw got fouled. But I figured
if they got any bucket in that situation that it's
probably the end of the game. But ultimately, the play
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that I think cost them the most was the og
An Andobe fumble underneath the basket, because it is a
sure bucket go up seven twenty nine seconds left, instead
he botches it. Not only does do you not get
the points, you then give the ball to Indiana, which
then continues the whole string of it. But if you
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go up seven at that point with twenty nine left
to go, I mean, I just I think that I
think that's pretty good spot to be in. And considering
it was point blank range and just not being able
to grab the ball, I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think it was a good pass. Okay, And again one
of the flaws to Jalen Brunson, and and when I
say this, you know, people who don't know basketball will
be like, you're a heater, like Jalen Brunson is literally
my favorite player in the NBA. But he's not an
elite passer. It's not actually what he does. He's not
an elite passer. He can pass, but he's a he's
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a scoring point who can pass, not a not a
guy who creates shots for others. So it wasn't a
particularly good pass, and it is one of those where
you drive in if you just throw it to the rim,
he catches it and he dunks it whatever, So instead
you play kind of classic Villanova jumpstop basketball. Great efficient,
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not a great pass, but an og Nobi lost the
basketball and the only thing you can think of there
is to nerves, right you're trying to get it up
quick balls out of your hands.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
The same with it with the Bucks. Remember when Gary
Trent was so great at the end and then he
just had the ball go through his leg twice like
it was but the one throw his legs, you're just like,
wait a second, what is this? And this was the
one where you're right at the basket and for some
reason you can't reel it in at that point. I mean,
there were we could make an argument for all of
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those plays that you made, I just felt for some
reason that one was the one to me that stood
out as the one that that you.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, here's the thing, here's the thing. Like again, and
I'm not saying the Nova guys were perfect, but we
all make the assumption that these are grown men, they're professionals,
they're the best in the world, that they don't get
rattled og and Andobi was rattled. He was rattled, right
there's the video of him and kar Anthony Town's yelling
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at each other on the bench right before that. He
was rattled. He has never been that situation before. And
he absolutely choked in that position. And again I'm admitting
it wasn't a perfect pass. But when you combine the
fact that he was laid on a switch and it
was a Nasmith three with the fact that he missed
one out of two free throws where he makes both
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free throws, game sad match and he drops the ball.
As you point out at the rim, they're up five.
That's up seven, game sead match. And this is it's
classic man in the arena stuff. You ask anybody they watched,
they'd be like, yeah, he kind of blew that game.
I blew that game.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
I mean, Haliburton was magnificent, Nie Smith was unworldly. But
the Pacers just they may have looked frantic, but they
didn't look like they were they ever panicked. And in
just in those situations it may have been a little
helter skelter, but my goodness, they had a plan. And
then when the Knicks needed to make shots, dug in
overtime and they jumped out to the lead in overtime
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and gave it back. And then when they needed to
make shots, they couldn't do it. You couldn't make one.
Brunts and missed Cat missed. I think it was brunts
in on the out of bounds, you know, the pass
out to the wing that the flex off of I
think it was maybe Nemhard hit it and then it
went off of Brunson's hand and turn over there. Just
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unbelievable lack of execution by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Crazy, absolutely crazy, Jay Stu Again, I know you don't
profess yourself as a purveyor of breaking down basketball games,
but in terms of chokes, comebacks, however you want to like,
it happens. So I will tell you, being on the sideline,
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having been on the other side of some of those.
I watched last night, and I swear to God, I
said this last night was God Once next year I
got to be on the other side of one of
these because it happened so fast, and sometimes there's sometimes
there's nothing you can do. As a coach. You can
tell them what to do, just like, just do this,
you win the game. And if one guy doesn't do
it and they hit a three, like you know all
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the planning in the world. But Jay Stu, where is
this one in your pantheon of choke jobs? Whatever you
want to turn it.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
I'm just going to offer up some stats.
Speaker 7 (17:02):
Guys.
Speaker 9 (17:03):
You know me, I'm I'm less interested about what happened
than how it was covered. And it seemed like even
the people that are most uncomfortable using the word choke
we're using it in the wake of what happened last night.
Uh Cowherd saying it wasn't a choke. He's a true
outlier if that's what he said and he did. I'm
going to offer you two stats. Dan, you wanted to
(17:24):
go back to like the three minute mark, right, you know,
in the history of the NBA and the playoffs, the
team that is trailing by fourteen points with two point
fifty left is zero in nine hundred and seventy and
now they're one in nine hundred and seventy. I'm going
to offer you this, since you wanted to start at
fifty seconds, Doug, going into last night's game, in the
history of the NBA Playoffs, teams that were up nine
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with fifty seconds left were uh, one thousand, four hundred
and fourteen and zero, and now they're one, four hundred
and fourteen and one. I think those two stats are
empirical evidence that this was the largest choke job in
the history of the NBA Playoffs, and that can't be disputed.
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So I'm not going to be talked off that ledge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I don't expect you to. I appreciate that number is
so alarming, like that game should be over, and I
get why you didn't foul up nine. You're like, it's
never happened before, but it's one of those where you
eliminate with a foul up nine, you eliminate the ability
to make it a two possession game. A two possession game.
Speaker 10 (18:32):
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is in the Pacers Radio Network. Two point games, six
seconds to go. Halliburton driving, he's in the lane, he
(19:05):
nearly lost, and he backs up and unloads a three.
That did not happen.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
It hit the back of the rim, hit popped high
into the.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Air, and it dropped gently through the net. Unbelievable, calling
the Pacers Radio Network. It's one thing to hit a
game winner or a game tire, right, it's a lot
of It's like kd back when he's with the nets
where his toe is on the line. It's another thing
for it to hit the back rim, go up in
the air, even more drama, and then go in. Ryan
Hollins joins us ten year NBA VET. He's the voice
(19:37):
of the Houston Rockets circular analyst on the TV side
in the regular season, he's also our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst. And right, how would you characterize last night's
win by the Pacers breaking?
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Breaking? Breaking? When when you're the team, it's different, Doug,
We've been there before. When you're the team that is
the the Hunter, it's different. And I picked the Pacers
in the series. I've been talking about him for a
(20:16):
while now. And when you're the hunt Hed, it's different.
This series New York is a Hunted and it's a
bad matchup because the Pacers move the ball. They move it,
and when the game gets tight, they still move to basketball. Now, Doug,
(20:36):
you know what we do in the locker room in
this situation. You're gonna assume that Tibbs today is gonna
meet and the one thing they're gonna watch is probably
the last five minutes in overtime. And what you're gonna
see is brunts and one on one cat, one on one,
brunts and one on one cat, one on one. And
(20:58):
when you look on the other side, you're gonna see
kick ahead, You're gonna see nim hard wide open, You're
gonna see a ball movement, You're gonna see Ali Burton
getting in the lane. You're gonna see the pieces running
offense in wearing New York down. And it wasn't.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
Necessarily a big, huge.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
Meltdown, Like New York didn't just fucked the game like
tat mess the free throw. Maybe it's like turnover here
and there. The game wasn't hunted. This is a possession
by possession walkdown or Indiana hit shots that they had
been hitting all playoffs of long Doug.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I get it. I know they look I mean, I
know they've been hitting shots. They've been playing this way.
But the Knicks missing two out of four free throws,
I thought Og clearly blowing an assignment there on a
little top to top hand off and the ball slipping
out of his hands when a dunker layup wins wins
the game up five. Like like you said, backbreaking? Backbreaking?
(21:59):
How do you come back from this? How do you
gather yourself and go like, hey, we're good, don't worry,
we're good here. If you're the.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Nicks, it's a mentality scene. And then Knicks are a
tough team. It's a tough group. I think the big
challenge is that just a mental toughness and understanding. And
when we saw Indiana, I knew there is the this
year earlier, you know, when our Rockets went over there
and played them. But it's the multiple actions that you
(22:27):
have to guard. Bibbs likes to pressure the basketball, likes
to be tough, likes to, you know, put bodies on
Halliburton and people like that. It's a strategic thing because
they mentally wore down. And you're talking about the mistakes defensively.
At a certain point when you got to guard Doug
what do we what? Thirty to fifty dribble handoff actions,
(22:49):
thirty to fifty cuts, and then you got to score
on the other end, they're getting worred down. You got
to play campaign this series, dude, you got to go
eight deep if your TIBs because guess what Rick carl allis.
These are mental errors. These are fatigue errors, these are
emotional errors. The Knicks are good enough. He just beat
the Celtics and they were beating them before Jason Tatum
(23:12):
got hurt. These are mental errors. So you're gonna have
to trust your bench, or you're gonna have to play
some zone. You're gonna have to slow things down and
You're gonna have to really really buckle down and understand
where you're the team that came back down twenty right,
You're the team that was machismo and doing all the
things and flushing part of a champion. Let do what
(23:34):
you do. Jennathan ain't the such this ball player. He
might not be able to jump over Folk book, Doug, Right,
guess what they got.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
They got three Bronston's on the other high on the side.
They got them hard snigmart don't jump. He plays. He
plays like Brunton does, just.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
A lower version of it. Ali Burton ain't making all
Airports team.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
He skiind is around. He knows how to play the game.
TJ McConnell, you would pick him out of the lineup
walking down the street, dude, Doug, you walk right.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
By TJ McConnell.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Okay, So you gotta go through these guys that.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Play your style of basketball confidence.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Against you in your house, and you gotta.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Finish the game. You gotta be tougher, and when you
get up, you gotta punish Indiana, bro, because if you
didn't learn anything, they'll walk you down.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
And all those actions and all those shots maybe they were.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Missing earlier when they started hitting them. You better believe.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Ryan Hollins. Okay, let's get to tonight's game.
How do you guard Shay Gildas Alexander and pressure him
without fouling him.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
You got to be incredibly disciplined against Shae and the challenge.
When you play Shay and Williams and even more Shae,
you gotta be prepared for the bump. Everything he does
is predicated off the bump, So you're gonna hit you
one two step back, one two drive, read one two
handed the cookie jar foul. We saw it with James Harden,
we saw it with Jamar de Rozen And normally these
(25:11):
guys like Brunson and Shay, when they give me situations,
they're not as effective. But Shay's completely stayed effective. I'm
daring somebody else to beat me. I'm boxing and elbows.
I'm making them pick. And he's a tough cover because
he works from warring, works on the top of the
key and then he gets downhill, so when you run doubles,
he can look at you. So I'm sitting on that
now and I'm going to force the contested hard close
(25:33):
up and I'm sending you into my health. Now the
problem is on the other side, and Doug, we talked
about this. Minnesota's offense ain't gonna be good enough. They
playoff energy, they playoff talent, and you're not gonna out energy. Okay,
See at their game, they have the best on ball
defenders in the league. They play together. They're small, but
(25:55):
they man, They dug better than anybody. They move on
the string, you know how we're talking about Indiana and
Bald Blue and all that. They move defensively with the ball.
They moved together with the ball. So if you're Minnesota,
you almost gotta slow things down. You gotta play big
and sign. You gotta throw the ball into Rudy Gobertt
when he has a mismatch. And I'm gonna tell you
(26:15):
something else. If you don't attack check Holme Grin and
you don't get physical with check houl Grin, Perius is over.
The only way that you beat Oklahoma City is not
just stop in shape. You have to attack check because
now they got to pivot to another place where they
have to go. And that's why the Nuggets gave him
so many problems because you couldn't dare put chet on
(26:36):
Yo Kisch and you you damn near putt put them
on Aaron Gordon. And if Aaron Gordon doesn't pull a hamstring,
we're talking about member moving forward. But if you can't
attack chet.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
The other part to it is when Anthony Ewarts has
the ball, they're playing so deep into the gaps right
that you can't you can't get to the basket. How
would you He talked about playing off the basketball more,
which I like as well, how do you think how
else do you think you combat that type of almost
college like loading defense man.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You got to get out and get in transition. I
agree with putting him off the basketball. And the one
thing is, you know, you got to get your best shooters.
You got to get guys in positions where they can
where they can hit shots, and you gotta trust them
because that's going to like clear the nail. One thing
we used to do in Boston. You know, Doc was
really big on getting the help off the nail. So
(27:33):
if you had a two guy loaded side, we'd always
cut through off the nails just so that help wouldn't
be there. And you got to be really tricky about
the way you do it, maybe you post ant, get
them in the mid post, maybe play them off the elbow,
so that mail help is a little harder. You force
guys that have to commit more. And the thing about
Aunt is you got to scheme it. Okay, Finch is
(27:55):
going to have to scheme him open right now because
when all do respect, he doesn't have the idea. Not
that he's not a great basketball player, not that he's
not excellent one on one, but he doesn't manipulate the game.
Yet he scores, but he don't manipulate it. So you know,
Finch is gonna have to be creative and they're gonna
have to go Brian defensively. And again, like I talked about,
he's gonna have to get Rudy one or two layups
(28:17):
or get a wide open three for nas Reed or
Devincenzo or some of those guys. And now that clays
the nail up. But if I'm okac edging off the
nail and it's something the Lakers did. But the Lakers
were so slow, Doug. You saw it like they couldn't
even rotate to the second and third pass. So they
kind of show a wall to Edwards and then there
was no efforts after that.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, it was kind of crazy, really really really crazy
on how they guarded and you know, they dared other
Minnesota players to beat them and they were unable unable
to do so. Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, okay,
so who's most likely to come back in series? I
know only one game in and usually we at one games.
(29:03):
But because of how backbreaking Game one was for the Knicks,
and because of you know, the thought that the Oklahoma
City looks like a bad matchup for Minnesota, who's more
likely to come back and make it into a quality series?
Speaker 4 (29:18):
New York the horrible matchup for the Wolves. They're too similar,
like like like Anthony Edwards right now has to out
athletic you out one on one you or Julius Randalls
downhill and he's been pretty damn good these playoffs, and
you're not gonna be okayc like that. You're gonna beat
them inside. And that's the that's the problem with the Wolves.
(29:39):
It's a horrible matchup. Horrific matchup in New York has
a much better shot. That team has too much character
and they're two talented, too much fight to just go away.
But they're gonna have to. And it's weird we're talking
about how great Brunston is is finishing games. They're gonna
have to be fresh, you know, They're gonna have to
(29:59):
kind of find a way to slow down the pacers,
and then you gotta you gotta find a way to
finish better. And again, I don't think you're one one
beats their ball a little bit and that's going to
be the story of the day. But I would be
very surprised if New York just rolls over and goes away.
I don't I don't see that team with how how
(30:20):
they played and how tough they are and how talented.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
To do that.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I agree with you, but man, that's gotta be a
tough one to come back from. That was that was
a hard one.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
You haven't seen anything like that, fugle Man. I didn't.
I didn't get to ask you, Doug.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
Have you ever in the history of basketball seen in
the two point game guy dribbles to the rain and like,
you know, you plached. That's what it looked like a
horse shot or like you know, you played.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Knockout like knockouts and a guy dribbled back and hit
a three like that.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
No.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I mean, look we we we lost the game up
up five eighteen seconds to go with the ball. So
I mean, I I saw some stuff this year that
I've never seen before. But no, I've never seen tyres
Helburt and like, look he had a layup right and
then and the knicks, you know, so he had a
layup and then all of a sudden, the next switch
(31:14):
which is a smart switch, and then he just backtorubles
into a third. Like no, I've never seen it before.
That was like something doing a video that you do
that on two K. You don't do that in real life.
That's it. That's a two K.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Can I say, Cohnahs on Fox Sports Radio?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Is that yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Word you got? You gotta have some Tahonahs in it
in a two point game in the garden and take
that shot like that's crazy, Like in like, the first
thing runs through my mind, did he work on that shot?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Like?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Do you work on that shot?
Speaker 5 (31:45):
And and and it's almost like I don't know if
he knew what he's doing or he just.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Improvised it, but the footwork to throw up to like
and he hit the shot first Cleveland, So you can't
say he just pulled it out of his out of
thin air like the Cohonas for for Haliburton to make
that play in the gardens, everything agains you backs against
the wall. Your dad's kicked out of the playoffs, like
(32:11):
like the dude's just wallow.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Incredible, incredible This Stug Golley Show, Fox Sports Trade. Ryan,
you're the best man.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Thanks for joining us anytime, Doug appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Ryan and Dan By are going to co host tomorrow.
I'm gonna guest host the Dan Colin Cower. I'm gonna
guess that's the herd tomorrow, so you'll hear Ryan dis.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
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(33:02):
to a game.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
What I got there, Dan Bart, Doug. The game on
this Thursday is I feel a draft drafting the worst
blown leads or choke jobs in sports that you can remember.
Jason Stewart as the first overall pick. Doug, you are second.
Iowa Sam third, and I'll follow fourth, and we'll reverse
(33:35):
it in that order of the second round. All right, Jason,
you are on the clock.
Speaker 9 (33:40):
This is my sport, so I guess it's the first
thing that I thought of when I read this topic.
Thirty nine years ago, Shase Stadium Game six, Shase Stadium
Game six. People forget it wasn't game seven, Game six.
The Mets still had to win another game, but nobody
remembers that because Bill Buckner not fieled a routine ground
(34:02):
ball with the winning run at second base. Mookie Wilson
was the hitter. Bill Buckner is my all time choke
job ever.
Speaker 7 (34:12):
Wow, Buck, they're off the board at one.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Doug.
Speaker 7 (34:17):
You're up at number two.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Twenty eight to three, twenty eight to three. The Atlanta
Falcons are up twenty eight to three. You know it
had They just kicked a field goal after an unbelievable
catch by Julio Jones. If you remember that catch, it's
one of the greatest catches I've ever seen in my life.
The balance getting feed in all that stuff, and a
(34:42):
lot like the choke comeback last night, like Julian Edelman
catching a ball with his feet. Remember, the team that
wins has to do some special stuff, just like the
Pacers did some special stuff. But twenty eight to three
in the Super Bowl got the Patriots dead to rights,
and you can't close the deal. I can't think of
a bigger one or a bigger game than the Falcons
(35:03):
collapsing in the Super Bowl to Tom Brady and the Patriots.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
We've started off strong with two very good picks. I
think that if you put that in of each sport like,
it'd be tough to argue that those aren't the biggest
choke jobs in those respective sports. Let's go over to
Sam Iowa. Sam at number three.
Speaker 11 (35:21):
You guys know I love to draft obscure moments in
sports history, ones that I've taken in personally. Let's go
to Big ten basketball. This was twenty twenty three Michigan
State had a ninety one to seventy eight lead on
Iowa with a minute thirty four left. The Hawkeys would
hit six of nine threes down the stretch. They would
force overtime and win it. One twelve, one oh six.
Speaker 7 (35:42):
Definitely up there with Buckner and the twenty eight three.
Speaker 11 (35:48):
I think I did have the falcons, but of course
that was already picked.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
Should I be mad that you stole my pick? Sam,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 11 (35:57):
I know that was right on the tip of your
tongue there.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
I think that if if there was a Mount Rushmore,
I think Buckner's there. I think twenty eight to three
is there. I'm sorry, Greg Norman is there? Augusta nineteen
ninety six, blowing the six shot lead in the final round.
Nick Faldo ends up claiming his third Green jacket, but
Greg Norman in the ninety six Masters. All right, now
(36:25):
we're going to go a little off the board and
I may take Iowa. Sam's here at number five, twenty
sixteen ncublea tournament. It was awesome because kid from my hometown,
Paul Jessperson hits a half court shot for Northern Iowa
to beat Texas in the first round of the NC
DOUBLEA tournament. Good one. You still see it in one
shining moment. People forget what happened in the next rounds
in Northern Iowa, they blew a twelve point lead with
(36:49):
under forty five seconds left and lost in double overtime
to Alex Caruso and the Texas A and m Agis.
That's crazy. In fact, it was under forty seconds when
Texas saying I'm actually did score their bucket to trim
it to ten. But so you could say, twelve point
lead technically with under forty seconds left in the NCAA
tournament and the Eggies ended up advancing. It's a good one, Dan,
(37:11):
good one. All right, all right, Sammy quickly here.
Speaker 11 (37:15):
Staying in Big ten sports, another obscure one. Let's go
to two thousand and six John L. Smith's last year
as the head coach for the Michigan State Spartans football team.
Pat Fitzhields first year and Michigan State opens with a
three to zero lead, They get outscored thirty eight nothing.
They end up winning forty one to thirty eight.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
How about that? Another one that probably took it from
Jason or Doug. Okay, yeah, all right, Doug.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Alcs Game four, Red Sox trailing the Yankees, Hey, trailing
the Yankees? Two? What were they trailing them?
Speaker 7 (37:58):
They're I think you just say a four Alcs.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
There you go, oh, four Alcs, there you go, Dune deal.
Speaker 9 (38:04):
My apologies to all my family in Upstate New York
and Western New York. But I got two words, not
scoreword not score would super Bowl twenty five.
Speaker 7 (38:15):
That's game time.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
That's game time. Doug Gotlic show rolls on here on
Fox Sports Radio. Don't call it a throwback. Thursday, nineteen
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