June 4, 2025 • 51 mins
Doug reacts to the breaking news about the Suns and weighs in on the NBA Finals.Doug gives out the most likely candidates for who will replace Tom Thibodeau as head coach of the Knicks. Doug welcomes seven-time NBA champion Robert Horry onto the show to talk about his career and the NBA Finals. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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but let's get you ready for the NBA Finals throughout
the show. Uh, but also let's talk about what the
Suns have done. Okay, so two different stories in one.
The Sons hired Jordan Ought and it looks like they're
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going to trade Kevin Durant, So why does this all
make sense? First, Kevin Rant, I mean, you have topped
doubt and he is no longer at the peak of
his powers. We're all okay saying that doesn't mean he
has no value, but he has reached the peak of
his powers without any question. He's not going to be
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an MVP ever again in the NBA, and that's okay.
He's had a verse ballot Hall of Fame career and
no one's going to argue with any of that. But
the Jordan not thing is really interesting, right. An assistant
with the Cavskas had a great season and though they
fell short in the playoffs, and again, part of that
is the nixt story. And I think one of the
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reasons that Nicks made their change was in their mind,
the Celtics weren't healthy. Plus they needed two miracle comebacks
to beat the Celtics, and then they never played the Calves.
So you're not exactly matching up with the best of
the best in the East and you still couldn't get
to the finals. Again, I'm not saying I agree with it,
but that's the philosophy. Ott used to work for Michigan State.
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He was. He was a video coordinator and grad assistant
and the owner of the Phoenix Suns was a walk
on at Michigan State. And of course he hires a
Michigan State guy. He hires somebody that is oh signs
off on. It's really not that hard to track these things,
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and it's always interesting to me on how we try
and make things about what they're not about, which is
why you know Karl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson ended
up with the Knicks to begin with, is they were
Leon Rose clients. And so when Leon Rose got the job,
everyone knew by at some point in time Carl Towns
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Conthony Towns, who grew up close and was a Leon
Rose client, was going to be with the Knicks. And
the same thing would happen with Jalen Brunson. So when
things go bad with Carl Towns Canthony Towns in the playoffs,
the coach goes. The player does not why because the
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player has the relationship and players are harder to find
than coaches are hard to find. For aut he now
has the relationship, and because he's not a huge name,
he won't command a huge salary, but that'll probably buy
him extra time in terms of reforming the Phoenix Suns.
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You know, I was told a long time ago, and
I'm sure you've heard the expression business is not about
what you know, it's about who you know. And I
guess some really good friends that say it's all about relationships,
and it truly is. And that's how Jordan ought. Who's
good at what he does. I'm not telling you he's
not good at what it does. But could you have
picked him out of a lineup? No, in any other
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world in the NBA, is he a top candidate. He's
a candidate. But the reason he got it he's a spartan.
And the Michigan State spartan is going to hire a
Michigan State spartan because that's work. That's all they know.
That's that's what works. It's about the right things that
play the right style, and if you meld it to
a little bit more of a professional style offense with
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better players, you'll be okay. Right, So Jordan Notchranu's coach
of the Suns. And then the other part to Kevin
Durant is it's your probably your most movable piece. They're
in love with Devin Booker there, not exactly sure why,
but he's your most movable piece, and he's a little
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bit longer the tooth, and he's had multiple injuries, and
he can he knows he's going to be moved. It's
not that hard. A comvo doesn't make it the right move,
but it's the move that they're going to make. All right.
More on that to come here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let me get to the
NBA Finals. So team minus one day. And I don't
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like prediction radio. Neither does neither does Jase too, nor
even preview radio. Right, I don't love this guy's got
to get this many shots and this has got like
a basketball game is so unique unto itself. You can't
tell who's gonna be in foul trouble, how they're gonna
guard you, what the game is gonna be like, are
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you gonna make it first couple of shots? If you
make your first couple of shots and you're a twenty
a game guy, well then you should go for forty.
If you miss your first ten shots, well then you
should stop shooting. So I don't do that. What I
do think, though, is that you have to change how
you look at you change how you look at it.
If you look at it as who's gonna be the
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best superstar in it, it probably be say he'll be
the most consistent. But based upon how these two teams
are built, they have multiple scoring weapons, they went off
their defense, they win in transition. They have a lot
of different guys who can give you a little something different.
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And I don't know what the next five years the
NBA looks like with the new collective Bartner agreement coming online,
and I'm not willing to say this is absolutely the
way of the current and near future. But that's what
happens in sports. That's what happens in business. If somebody
is successful, then they copy what somebody has done to
be successful, right. I mean Mark Dagnol, he's the head
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coach of the of the Thunder. He was their G
League head coach, so he's been in the organization, he's
risen through the organization. And then oh yeah, by the way,
he brought back Alex Cruso who played for him in
the G League way back when. If they win the title,
why wouldn't she build it the way that Oklahoma City
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has built it? You know, through draft picks through your own,
Sprinkle in a couple of pieces that have a working
knowledge of your head coach, a head coach who doesn't
carry around the ego of some of these former players
are head coaches, and you go, now, Rick Carlisle a
little different. He's been doing a long time. He's been
an NBA coach forever. He's the NBA player in his
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own right. He's very offensive minded. They play fast, they
play fluid. He's won a lot of different places. If
he wins it, we're gonna make it. We'll probably make
the You know, it's because of all the experience of
Rick Carlisle has that they were able to be successful.
And there'll be some people that copy that. That's how
business works, that's how sports works. You take something that's
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being successful and you may tweak the name, you may
tweak a little bit of the style. You may go
mcdowells as supposed to McDonald's. You may figure out some way,
but you copy it. And I kind of hope the
Pacers win this thing, not because I don't. I think
the Thunder will win it. I think the Thunder are better,
and I like the way the Thunder do something. But
the way the Pacers play, the pace by which they play.
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I think it makes for an exciting product. It allows
you to play more players, which keysmore players happy and again,
going back to it, it's a better, more watchable brand
of NBA basketball. NBA basketball has the type of image
that reality shows have. Reality shows can be nice and
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sincere and sweet. But if you say that couple has
a reality show, you would think all of them are
like that couple that just got released from prison after
defrauding people of thirty six million dollars, right where nothing
they say appears to be real nothing. But not all
reality shows are like that. Some of them are nice,
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Shot Bob, Robert Rory twelve minutes away, cannot wait, can't wait.
There's some new reporting on the next firing of Tom Sibido, right,
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and I think I think all this stuff is super interesting.
You know, I did read what set Davis tweeted. I've
been working with Jay Wright on TV for three years.
Based on every conversation we've had, I would say there's
a greater chance that I will be the Knicks head
coach than him. The difference is if they call me,
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I will say, yes, that sounds great, and I'd love Seth.
But if you're if you're a basketball guy, if you're
an East Coast guy, the idea and it has lured
many people before. The guy who wins the title with
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the Knicks will be celebrated, unlike any head coach in
the NBA, any head coach in the NBA. And I agree,
I've talked to Jay as well. I think Jay likes
his life. I think it's a great life, but he doesn't.
We you don't want to go back to college because
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college is not the same, right, College is not the same,
and it's just it's not what it used to be
when he was there. It doesn't mean he wouldn't win.
And the guy win no matter what he does. But
he also can make fifteen or twenty million dollars a year,
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like there's no salary cap on coaches. You know, I
have to like Jim Dolan, but he's a billionaire and
he can write whatever check he wants. Per league sources,
NIXT relieved Tom Thibodeau of his duties after the team
receives from conference finals for the first time in twenty
five years, but failed to defance the NBA Finals with
the goal of winning a championship. League sources told The
Athletic that this organization needed a new voice and it
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was the first step in the process. Of reaching those heights.
Those sources said it was a decision made by team
president Leon Rose, with the backing of owner James Dolan. So,
you know, I've had people ask me all the time, like, well,
what did you think of TIB's rotations? Look, Tom Timbeau's
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coach in the NBA for as long as I've been alive,
and I get that. It's really cool to sit here
and go like, why'd you sub this guy? And why
did you love that guy? And this guy had success
And Okay, if you didn't know that Tibbs doesn't play
his bench, I don't know what to tell you. I
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know he has not won an NBA title yet. He's
also not had an NBA championship caliber team. And this
one was a flawed team as well. Did he do
the perfect coaching job? No, but they they had gotten
better every year, They went further in the playoffs every year,
and they got to the first teams conference finals in
twenty five years. So I'm not exactly sure what we're
looking for in terms of some some sort of magic
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cure magic Elickxer did. Jay Wright thing makes sense because
he's got three former Villainova weild Cats, three guys that'll
immediately buy in. And that's what you got to be
worried about, because no matter who they bring in, everyone
else was brought in under Tibb's watch and Tibbs signed
off on it. So now you got a new guy,
new people, and is he going to bring his own
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players per se, just like we're talking about James Ott right,
he's a Michigan State guy. He was brought in because
the owners of Michigan State guy and everybody brings in
their own people. And you have a really good chance
of upsetting the apple cart when you have a new
head coach that brings in his own people. If he
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I still think Jeff n. Gundy is out there as
a candidate. Obviously, Mike Malone's a possible candidate. Those are
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three really good candidates. Van Gundhy coaching this year covered
the league forever been in New York, went to it,
he went went to a finals, Malone won a championship,
and Jay Wright won to national championships. Has three former
players in the team and is beloved in basketball. And
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you know, again, the offense and the style would be different,
but the simplicity of how he does things. Now, the
one thing that Jay would run into is, you know,
he's so big on attitude. If you've ever been to
their practices, they're like machines. It's an amazing practice. I
don't think that works in the NBA, and I'd be
interested to see how it would be implemented in terms
of how they're kind of programmed to act, to act,
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to work and to play together as a team. That
part would be really interesting. Hmm. And I can't think
of anybody else who is a Kendid because you can't
fire a coach because he hasn't been successful in the
NBA playss For a coach that hasn't been successful in
the NBA playss or or in championship basketball, yes, uh uh, Sammy.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
What about like Brad Stevens. They could lure him away
from the Celtics front office.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So he's the president. He makes all the decisions, and
he wants to be the coach and work for somebody
else who.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I'm just throwing it out there. That's why they offer
kind of analysis that wanted from you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He's saying, would I hire Would I hire Brad Stevens
if I get him? Yes? But why would Brad Stevens,
who kicked himself upstairs to the presidency and won an
NBA championship and probably feels like you're healthy, they could
have won another one. Why would he? Why would that
be the job that he takes.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's not a New York career point.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
What are you going to say Therese?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I know you've had experience, whether it be in your
coaches room or in your your own business broadcast business.
But when the leader of the meeting says, hey, I'm
taking all ideas here, no such thing is a bad idea.
I think Sam just proved like sometimes there is such
thing as that, and you know, maybe it's just not
worthy of discussion.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't think that's not where they of discussion. No, No,
I don't think that's not where the discussion. I'm not
and and and Sam. I know sometimes I appear terse
and dismissive I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
No, you were listed all the reasons why he wouldn't leave.
He's always a name that comes up. So I just thought, well,
he's always name.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It comes up, but at Indiana because he's from Indiana,
and people who are like, what's Indiana? So of course
you want to coach Indiana And he's like, yeah, coach
the butler went to two national champiship games. Like NBA
is way better and the other part too. It is
like he's a legit husband father. He likes to be home.
That's one of the reasons he didn't want to coach anymore.
So I don't think he wants the noise in the
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nonsense of being the next coach. I could be wrong.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He has a nine to five job. Yeah, he makes
plenty of money. He's winning championships.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I think he's good.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
He just the only thing I can think of is
that he has like a thirsty desire to coach players again.
But he kind of does.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
If he has a thirst desire to coach players again, yeah,
that's that's possible. I don't think that would be the
place to do it, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I just can't the cliche there's no such thing as
bad ideas. I think is oh yeah, I think there
always is such thing as.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Though there's definitely such thing as bad ideas.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
And then also the people that say doesn't hurt to ask, No,
it actually does hurt to ask, Like if you're if
your relationship with the person becomes compromised because you just
asked them to do something, was it worth it? No,
it does hurt to ask, Like, hey, doesn't hurt to ask,
And then all of a sudden when they are being
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called in and compromise relationships and no, I'm never gonna
buy it doesn't hurt to ask.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I don't think anything was injured or damage because I
threw Brad Stevens's name out.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
No, no, no, I'm onto a totally different He's on a
whole different times. I'm way off on a different subject.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What you did was it's like you being a personal No. No,
it's like the lawyer who says, like, basically like you
open the door with that line of questioning, Oh, you
open the door your honor. Yeah, so you open the
door to the discussion about brainstorming brainstorming sessions where somebody says,
no such thing as a bad idea, and then the
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second they say that, somebody raised their hands says, hey,
what about it's just outside the box. What about colonizing
uranus right, which of course makes people say uranus, which
makes everybody laugh, which the han't actually happened because it's
not anyway, there are bad ideas.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
And then the second one was was a totally different topic.
And recently the guy, the kid from Penn State that
was drafted second overall, he asked Lawrence Taylor for his number,
and he probably did it under the premise of, hey,
doesn't hurt to ask?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Doesn't ask?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
But it does because your reputation for you look foolish
for asking, kid.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But you don't get what you don't ask for, you
have to try it.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Obviously, Sam is a proponent of it doesn't hurt to ask,
which is fine.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, let's do this. Let's uh, let's circle back to this.
We got a good midway coming up as well. Big
Shot Bob I believe is calling in here momentarily before
me that. Let's get you a quick update here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Isaac, It's
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Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and there
is no man on earth more synonymous with Championship NBA
basketball than our next guest. He's known as Big Shot Bob.
We'll just call it Robert, or we'll get formal. Seven
time NBA champion, two with the Rockets, three with the Lakers,
two with the Spurs, and he's here courtesy of bet Online.
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Check got bet online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props. Robert,
thanks so much for taking time. Your first NBA Finals
was against two New York Nicks. So was that the OJ.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
One Game three?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So okay, So let's go before the series, right, because
because that was the No Jordan in the league year,
New York finally broke through. Okay, you had you had dream,
Kenny Smith, what do you remember about getting ready for
that series?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I just remember how tough it was. You know, we
went down two to the Phoenix Suns and we had
to come back and go on the road and win.
And it was just the way we were constructed was
a defensive team. And I think we're the only team
that's probably won the NBA Championship that's that at the
time that only had one All Star. You know, that
was Dream. But we played really good defense. I think
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we were top three defensively in the league, and we
were able to shut people down, and and we had
one of the best players in the in the league,
you know, MVP and a Chema Lodgemon. We just kind
of rolle this coattail to the championship. So it was
an amazing run.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Start Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what's
it like? What's it? What was that first championship like?
To win?
Speaker 6 (20:59):
It was weird because when I wanted I just kind
of like, oh, is this what the NBA about? Because
I was in my second year and I was happy because,
you know, the season was over. I can get some rest.
And then I looked around and I realized I never
even touched the trophy, and I'm like, oh, crap, I
need to get back here and get so I could
touch the trophy. And it was just one of those
moments where you was you was so proud of yourself,
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but I was more the type of like, oh, this
is what Dream played for, this is what otis played for.
You know, you know, Kenny Smith, Brandon Maxley's guys have
been the league way longer than me. I just I
just took a step back and let them enjoy the moment.
I just watched because I just feel like I really
deserved to touch it because I hadn't been doing that long.
It was just one of those experiences that could just
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be shocked and you're just like, you don't know what
to do.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
To be honest, what was the most What was the
one that you won that if you look back, you're like,
I don't think we were that good, yet we still won.
The title.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Was ninety five, you know when we started, when we
started saying this three or four times when we started
small ball, we went down three one to the Phoenix
Suns and they moved me to small foward, and then
we won the series and went on to sweep Orlando
in the finals. And you look back and you said, Okay,
we had two great players in Clyde Dressferd and Keem Olaja,
and the way they played in a couple series, you know,
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both of them having forty points against the Utah Jazz
to win a game, and the way we went down
three to one, the scenes and get the way we
just annihilated the Spurs after David Robinson won MVP and
n we swept Orlando. He's like, like, were we really
that good? And you look back and everybody sailf Jordan
would have been there. You went in the one. I'm like,
y'all forget Jordan got his butt beat by this by Orlando.
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Matter it.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
He was back.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
He dropped the double nickel that year on New York, so.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
He was back.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
So for us, just look at that year. I was like,
oh we won that. But every other year, you know,
with the Lakers, we were just beash and we beat everybody,
and the same thing with the Spurs, we just betted everybody.
So if I have to pick one's the ninety five.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, let's go to the Lakers, right. I mean the
shot against the Kings is one that there's lots of
shots you maybe the Spurs and shots you made, but
for whatever reason, it feels like the one against the
Kings is a one that people point to the most.
Why do you think that.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Is because they felt like, if we lose this game,
we go down three one to the Kings. And Kings
had the best record in basketball that year. You know,
they was right there with Chris Webber, Doug Chrissy and
Mike Bibbitt. They had a really good team. You know,
they could be anyone, and we knew whoever won that
game was going to win win the NBA title. And
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I think for us and the Pill was a game
game four knocking down that shot at home. Now you
think about it, the way I played against the Pistons
in two thousand and five, I didn't even talk about
that in the second half, but because I made a
shot in the Laker uniform in Staples at the time,
it's going to be talked about because one of the
greatest franchise in all of sports, and at home, you know,
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it was very significant in the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I should say, what's that like for everybody to know
you as Big Shot Bob? I mean, honestly, what does
that feel like when people shout out out to you
when they see you walking by?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
It feels great, man, Because when you're a kid growing up,
you said you want to get nickname, and when you
you know, you don't just come out and say I'm
gonna call myself big Shot. And if someone gives you
the name and it sticks, it means a lot because
it made it lets you know you made it. You
think about how many songs my name has been mentioned,
all the titles them, and people say, oh, big shot,
what's happening. You know, it makes you feel good because
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there's a lot of guys that I passed by and
I'm like, damn, what's his name again? But when you
got a nickname that sticks, you know. So now that
I got a nickname that kind of sticks, and I'm
on the minds of a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Okay, let's get rid of for this NBA Finals. You
got the thunder who they're a super young team but
obviously super talented team, deep athletic, and I do think
it benefits them that they're going against a pacer team
that they're not super young, but they're they're not. It's
sound like they're going against Lebron, Grizzly Vetts, guys that
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been there, guys that get benefit of debt with calls.
What Just tell me what your overall early thoughts are
on the matchup between the two teams.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I think they're very similar. You know, if you put them,
you line them up and you think about who they
have and what team they're all similar. You know, chet
Hongry shoots a lot of threes, and you got Miles
Turner who shoot a lot of threes. You got Obi
Topping who can jump out to gym. Then you got
you know, Jaylen Williams, you can jump out of the now.
You've got Lou Dorfins who played good defense. You got
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that can play defense. It's like you go down this
list of players, they're all pretty much evenly matching. You know, Okay,
she just gets more fanfare because of the commercials because
SGA got you know, MVP, and they playing in the West,
and you always think the West is better, But don't
create this stas team.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
You've got Ters Halliburn who's playing with a chip on
his stummer. You got Nim Hark who stepped into a
role who can knock down some big and got a
lot of guys on this team that are really good.
You think about what Nie Smith did and we hit
like what eight nine threes against the Knicks, So you
never know what can happen. And I think this space
a team they pay the best as far as team
orient and basketball. Someone every night is leading score. I
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think they pay better than even okay see because okay
see each and every night, you know who they leading
score is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You know, you do you do? How what do you
what do you think about how he's officiated?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I hate it, I really do. I hate it because
I hate when when when refs gives the benefit of
the doubt to the offensive player. If you come down
and you bump into me and all of a sudden,
it's the file, I do have a right. You know,
it's no different than verdictaliti. If I'm running along and all
of a sudden you run into me or something of
that nature. It's it's just bad Basketball's teaching kids. It's
(26:46):
like it's okay to bail yourself out, you know, work
for your shot, get your shot, you know, learn how
to get away from the player. And it's it's just
I just know that's the way he's been officiated. No,
you know, you think about he's just James hard to borrow,
you know, how he's able to manipulate the reps and
get to the regail line. But I do hope that
they figure out a way not to just give these guys,
(27:06):
you know, the line to the free throw line because
it's bad basketball. You know, you always talk about you
want the game to be fast paced all these bogus
calls that some of these players get. It's not just SGA.
You know, you can go down a list to people
and it's so they need to find some way to
give the defense a little bit more credit than taking
it away from them.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Okay, so all you have to do is check out
go to bed online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props.
Right now, the Thunder are minus sixty seventy the Pacers
are plus four ninety, so the Thunder are prohibitive favorites
to win the series. Robert, Man, it's like any time
to talk hoop with you, it's awesome. But now we
get ready for the NBA Finals. I mean, that's your
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time really special. We really appreciate that's what's spends the
time with us.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Yeah, Man, thank you for always having me on man
big fan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Man, pleasures all ours. That's a big shot out, Robert
or joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
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think in other sports, is there are there other Robert
Orri's Jay stew and Sam like uh Ilo? Are there
other Robert Orri's? By that, I mean guys that are
synonymous with really good players, but they're known for like
that guy was. He's almost like a Where's Waldo of
championship teams? I totally forgot he was on those first
(28:41):
two Rockets championship teams, and the Spurs teams and the
Lakers teams, et cetera. Is there is there a baseball
or football version of that?
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Well, for basketball, Steve Kirk comes to mind, But other sports,
that's really interesting.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I would offer up this, and each of them can
be disputed, so I'm not married to these. But Doug
gave us ten seconds of notice. Charles Haley, Mark Swareth,
Bill Romanowski.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Good, Yeah, that's those are good.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
That's pretty good. I did. I did give you ten seconds.
That's pretty solid. Well, who are you gonna say? You said?
Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr won two or three?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Uh he I mean he won at least four because
he was on the Spurs in ninety nine. I don't
remember if he was part of their two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He was on the two thousand and three team.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Okay, then was five.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He was on two Bulls teams. I don't think he
was on all three, No, he was.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
He was on the last three. Yeah, so he was
on three with the Bulls and two with the Spurs.
So five totally, yep, Okay, five total?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, no base is there a baseball one baseball?
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Well yeah, but all with the Yankees probably right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But like there's cheater and there's my rever, Like those
guys are the top line stars. I'm talking about a
guy who's just a good player, can't be just a role.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Players around, wins some championships.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Well, I mean he's in the Hall of Fame. But
Yogi bear. But again, that was with one team.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
I'm not referring to the guy that was cooked by
his wife and slapped a comedian at the Oscars. But
there's a reliever named Will Smith. I think executive World Series.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
He was on the Dodgers and then who are the
other two? He's on the was he on the did
the Rays win? One?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Was never on the Dodgers Rangers?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
There was a different Will Smith on the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Right, he's a catcher.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, so I did have the right name. I had
the wrong player.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Correct, the reliever Will Smith?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Actually you could say Reggie Jackson three with the A's
and two with the Yankees. Perhaps, But he was also a.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Star Okay again, like it's a very unique thing, like
a star role player.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
How about the likes of Ramiro Mendoza and Chuck Knoblock.
How about Cheflin Nelson.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Chuck New Kids on Nablock? Right, you guys think of that?
You guys hit us up on social media at Gottleeb Show.
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And what is an absolutely spectacular day here in Northeast Wisconsin.
We welcome you all in to the DG Show. You
hear from Daniel Jeremiah. Later on this hour, we'll also
(31:38):
discuss Sam Donald's unique situation in Seattle. Upcoming we got
the press for you, and I just you know, so,
we have this YouTube channel you can watch clips of
our show. I'm just super bummed that I'm not getting
I'm not getting to see the you know what eating
(31:58):
grin on the face of Jason Stewart, because after taking
two of three from the Yankees, you know, then they
lost what Sunday to the Yankees, they lose Monday and
extra innings to the Mets. And last night's baseball was fun.
Two nights in a row of extra innings baseball, especially
against the Mets. When you know at Schebez at the Ravine,
(32:21):
all the New Yorkers come out and it's just a
great crowd. Best part is two more games against the Mets.
But the grin, I'm I wish I had the you
know what eating grin? Uh Sam does? Is that how
Jason Sewart has been walking around all day kind of
that cat they ate the canary look.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I looked over. I mean he had sort of a
weird facial expression. Yeah, for the most part, We'll say,
might be your gas, yeah gas, Yes, he's been grinning.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yes, I mean two guys, Max Mounsey, as we previously discussed.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, you are single handedly responsible for his research.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
He's exercised his demon and then last night was the
night that Scott exercised his demon. And by exercise demon,
I mean he actually got a couple outs because he
hasn't been able to do that. He's not a closer,
remember Andrew Friedman. He thinks he's smarter than you, so
he's never going to tell you that he has a closer.
(33:15):
He's going to be the first GM to win without
a closer. But he paid Tanner Scott like a closer,
and Tanner Scott has been just dreadful. So yeah, he
got the win last night or the save, I don't know,
Tanner picked it up. But could we pay off a
tease before we get into the midway?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, So the group.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Text is Isaac, Sam, Doug and me. Before the show,
I threw out the idea from the midway. Now I'm
going to ask you, Doug, just give me your honest answer.
Don't google it, don't look it up. And Sam, you can't.
You can't taint these waters here. Do you know what
a nos feruto is?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No no idea?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Let's say correctly, hold us like Isaac. Okay, well we
have to say it correctly, you're misleading. It's no Sparatu.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Do you know what? No s Ferratu is Isaac.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
He is a backup defenseman on the Florida Panthers. No,
I don't, okay, so that makes over three. No, no clue.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I have never heard of the term. No.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
No, I had no idea what that is?
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Not one of these things that you don't know about,
but you kind of have clues as to what it
could be referred to. I was completely lost.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
I just thought it was that part in a group
discussion where Sam meant to send it to a different
group text, so you just ignore it. But I threw
out the idea from midway. It goes like this, Uh, well,
the NBA ever created finals that mirrors the Super Bowl,
as per Adam Silver saying this on Breakfast Ball today.
(34:49):
And Sam goes to the group text and says, no Sperrutu.
No Sfaratu appears in the sunlight.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So what what are things that appear in the sunlight
that usually don't nocturnal animals?
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Vampires?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Vampires? There you go, and no Sparatu is a vampire.
It goes back about one hundred years. The original No
s Faratu movie and I was making a joke about
Adam Silver's appearance, maybe a crass one, but oh for
three guys, Oh boy, we got Mike coming in. Mike,
have you ever heard of nos Faratu?
Speaker 6 (35:24):
That?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah, and he Mike's knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Let's get the man on the SI for years to
my defense here, thank you, Mike.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Sorry about that little technical issue there.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, the problem with that is that it's such an
I feel like it's an obscure.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Exactly except that a No Sparatu movie remake came out
last year too much.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
So now Sam's insulting us for not being up on.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I'm gonna send a picture of the original Nose s
Faratu and you guys can tell me if there's any
similarities there. So the the original No s Faratu very
scary looking guy. It was a It might have been
a silent film, but it was made in early twenties.
And no, I mean Adam Silver might might not appear
in the sun very often. He might be a vampire,
or he might just look like No Saratu.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
That reference sailed over me as if I was the
uprights on a Cameron Dicker field goal attempt.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
All Right, it was lost on you, guys. I just
thought you knew who No Sparatu was.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I'm trying to think. I just on the group text.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Do you recognize this person I sent to the group text. No,
Doug's okay. So Doug sent Emperor Palpatine, which I don't
mind that, but Adam Silver is not wrinkly like Palpatine,
and you can't see the top of Palpatine's head, so
I would say no, Seratu gets a slight nod.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
So not only did he did he he declined to
apologize for making a joke that he's doubled down. Now
he's insulting you, Doug, for your contribution.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I mean, I always appreciate people adding things, even if
you know, like a Brad Doug had the nice Brad
Stevens addition in here. It was like, yeah, yeah it works,
but you know, we'll just we'll talk about it.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
You be back for Brad Stevens. Man. You show guys, what.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Was the really it was Lurch? Is that his name
from them? Oh?
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Yeah, from the Adams stamilely Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
No, you're thinking of Uncle Fester. Well, Lurch had hair.
He was just Uncle Fester, didn't Uncle Fester is bald,
and but he was more of a portly guy. So
I guess Adam Silver might And listen, I'm not I'm
being we're being mean, but we're just making a joke.
Adam Silver might be across between Uncle Fester and Lurch
because Lurch is very tall, but he had hair and
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he had sort of the pale demeanor.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
It is clear that Adam Silver might need some more.
He might need to take a vitamin C supplement.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
He might need a steak, maybe Vitamin D. Sorry, yeah,
he might need some zinc and some protein.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean, anybody, I'll get you back. I mean, you
can never have too much vitamin C. You just pee
it out if you have too much anyway.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
Right, I'll just say your word for it.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
But okay, and you know, Adam Silver Silver probably healthier
human being than I am.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
So yeah, he's like a marathon guy.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah he's so we're just we're just cracking. Why is
cracking here? There you go? Yep, Uncle Fester played the
best Uncle faster was I thought played by you know,
Christopher Lloyd because I love those movies from the early nineties.
But there you go. We got I think we nailed
it down now, you guys know who know sparatu is,
and we have compiled several celebrities to uh to the
(38:31):
composition of Adam Silver.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
I will say this though, on all future exchanges on
this particular text exchange, I will now reply with the
most obscure possible reference that none of you will understand.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
The original is not obscure. It's a pretty well known
You guys just didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
How much money did the movie make last year?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Well, I don't how much Google?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
How much money did the movie make?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
The movie came out out?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Anyway, Jay Stu, I get that your friend's talking the money.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The money.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Hold on, I'm not talking about twenty four anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, I am, because you're saying, you basically said, we're
a bunch of dopes. Everybody knows who knows faratu is,
and we're the only three human man. It seem like
we're the only three human beings on earth that don't
know what knows frutus. I may you may be right.
You may be right. This may be part of pop
culture where we're just we are grumpy old man, get
off our.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Log, and Mike is sending us a text where someone
compares Adam Silver and Knows s Faratu the nineteen twenties
version side by side. Thank you, Mike is in my
corner here. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Of course he is, because he's the one who's you're
you're like copying his reference.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Uh No, he's he's just saying that. Oh my god,
look at all the nose Sparatus side by sides here
if you just google it, Oh my god. So yeah,
I'd say you guys were a bit in the dark,
kind of like nos Faratu, kind of like Adam Silver
in a vampire.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I'm just saying, I mean, we're just really making fun
of Adam Silver's teeth.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
If this knows Faratu his teeth, all right, I those
has some real He is.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
An odd looking dude, right. I don't think anybody anybody would,
uh would argue with that one. That's an odd looking dude.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
All right.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Speaking of Adam Silver, that takes us to the midway.
He's not getting mad.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
It's time for.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Okay, the midway. What's the topic today?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Jay stet Adam Silver two people in the world refer
to him as knows Faratu said this on Breakfast Ball.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
It's one thing I really admire about the NFL. I mean,
if if we were going into a Super Bowl and
it was Packers against Steelers, you guys would be celebrating that.
Nobody would Those would be storied franchises. People wouldn't be
talking about markets. You know, the fact that Pittsburgh is
a small market, so we in fact, you know, I'm
happy whatever team ends up in the finals. But it's
(41:00):
been intentional from our standpoint to create a system, a
collective bargaining agreement that allows more teams to compete. And
just by way of background, you know, we're going to
have to go through a process of getting to the
point where people are accustomed to tuning into the finals
because it's the two teams that deserve to be there
and it's the best basketball. Similar to again with the
(41:22):
super Bowl. If I asked somebody if they were going
to watch the super Bowl, they wouldn't say who's playing.
It's a national holiday and now that's Nirvana.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Yeah, I'm not saying we're anywhere close to that yet.
There's still if the Knicks are in the finals, there's
a segment of our fan base that's going to watch
that may not watch if it's other teams. But my
job is to get people to love and follow this game,
and so that if you're a huge basketball fan, you
should want to tune into the finals because that's the
best basketball.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
That part is fair. That part is fair, and I
thought the unfair part, or the of twos part is
the well, you know small markets is Green Bay and Pittsburgh,
like those are two of their greatest historical franchises in
the history of the sport. Oh yeah, by the way,
the thunder have been around for less than twenty years
(42:12):
and the Pacers were an ABA team, so it's just
not the same comparison. But I do love how he's
ambitious and trying to trying to adjust to the sports
fan of today, which is is definitely needed, definitely needed.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
So your answer is, no, the NBA Finals could never
become another Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
No, No, I think it's in the summer. It's it's
in the summer at seven games, yep, It's.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Not a single day. No, it's not on a Sunday,
although a game might fall on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I mean, I I there was a world there where
Kobe and Lebron never matched up in the finals.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
Just take over your body for a second there.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
No, I just had a yawn and I'm not tired.
I apologize. Jase Stu got on me if you yawning previously,
I'm like, I'm awake.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
You just got the green light to do a lou
Holtz impression.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
Hey, you know, I'm sorry, guys a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
But you did you know you take making Cuba Bolt.
You need to talk about Note to Dame and.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
I'll just quote somebody that we all are very intimately
aware of. My man. If you're follow to sleep on
the year, your listeners sure are.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
No.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
He was. He was into holes. Hey, though, here's what
what you actually kind of triggered my thought for comparison,
triggered in a good way for comparison purposes. What previous
NBA Finals matchup came closest to that sort of aspirations
(43:52):
the bingo, That's exactly where I was going. That kind
of captured the imagination of the nation for a two
week span, and that's exactly what I thought. Celtics Lakers,
Bulls Lakers in ninety one and to this day, the
highest rated NBA Finals matchup involved the team from Utah.
(44:13):
It was Game six of the bulls Utah Jazz series
in nineteen ninety eight. What it was thirty three point
one million viewers, I think for that one.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
So what of those that was based on Geordan?
Speaker 7 (44:25):
Of course? And the last Dance?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Sure well not it wasn't the last dance of the time.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
Oh no, it was. It was. They knew it was
the last dance at the time, or at the very least,
it was most likely the last dance, most.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Likely, But you know, I don't. I don't remember tuning
into that finals going like this is the last time
I'm going to see joh You know again, most people
thought it was likely, but we didn't know.
Speaker 7 (44:50):
So what parameters would be needed to give the best
possible shot of the NBA rivaling the Super Bowl hype?
It would be a great compelling superstar on each team,
a great compelling story you haven't won it in fifty years,
like the Knicks, a raucous home crowd. Maybe that's maybe
(45:13):
that's not as important, but you're looking at you're looking
at basically two things, superstars and storylines.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
I just think I think it's a complete fools errand
to ever if you're a commissioner of a sport compare
yourself to the NFL. The way the NFL resonates with
Americans will never be matched. And if I think it
was foolish to him to go to the comparison, because
now talk radio is making the comparison, and I would
(45:47):
say ten out of ten talk radio hosts and analysts
are saying it'll never become the super Bowl. People love
gambling on football, wives love sitting with their husbands and
watching football. They're just are there are little things that
this intangible things that will never be able to grasp
for why this sport is so popular and the NBA
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is woefully in second place in that.
Speaker 7 (46:14):
And would you guys feel that perhaps you could even
make the argument that NBA All Star Weekend is a
closer super Bowl esque vibe than the NBA Finals are,
not in terms of TV ratings, but as a destination,
almost like an event, a convention and an event. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
I don't know if this has been brought up yet,
I apologize if it has. But also Adam Silver talked
about quote unquote small markets like Pittsburgh and Green Bay. Uh,
those two franchises in the NFL have a combined like
how many championships between them and so that, oh you did,
I must have been cixated on a commissioner knows, Faratu,
we'll clean it up and edit.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I was. I wasn't the one who was sleeping. I was.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I was.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I was so.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
And Adam sober he's been.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I'm gonna hey, listen, I'll do a quick man cope
on nos Fau. One hundred and one million dollars is
nothing to uh to thumb your nose, Faratu at ah,
look again, I have I actually truly appreciate Jay Stu's
(47:26):
honesty because he's in search of whatever the opposite of
BS is. He carried with him a huge negative bias
towards the NBA into the season, and I didn't plead
with him, but I made the case that it's a
much better watch than you think, just like baseball is
a way better watch. Now, the numbers have not turned
(47:48):
around to match that, although they were better last year
because you had Yankees and Dodgers, right, so I again,
it won't be We're not gonna have obviously this year
super Bowl like numbers. I don't think in the near future.
There is the only way you get there is if
you have the biggest names in the sport, probably in
(48:13):
some with the historical franchises, right, historical franchises, and you
need to have an epic series because if I said, hey,
will the World Series ever be a super Bowl? You
would say, no, you idiot, it's not close. But I've
been doing sports radio long enough so to have h
(48:34):
I know, Jay stew you and I Loo when they
when I first started doing it, Yankees Red Sox was
everything and it wasn't even the World Series. It was
everything and every game for those two years, oh yeah,
was everything. So you can absolutely have that type of
(48:54):
It'll never be the corporate thing because it's you know,
the weekend set, what a blah blah blah blah. But
you can be gigantic. But we never got Kobe and Lebron.
That would have been this generation's Jordan.
Speaker 7 (49:07):
Bird now magic Bird too, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I mean Magic Bird. And we also, you know, we
also don't have college rivalries in basketball anymore because nobody
stays long enough in college and the European players are
are leaving. So if you had you did have Lebron
and Steph and KD multiple years in a row, that
(49:29):
was as close as you would have gotten, but I
think it's never going to happen, at least in the
very near future.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
Okay, Doug. For comparison purposes, Oh.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
All right, no, you can comparison. Go ahead, we'll.
Speaker 7 (49:43):
Wrap one, yeah, real quick. For comparison purposes, Let's say
that from a basketball standpoint, this year's NBA Finals is
superb go seven games, great individual performances, buzzer beaters. Will
that help make it respectable in the ratings? Or is
(50:04):
the riding already on the wall, Because I'll go back
to this nineteen ninety one World Series, the Twins and
Braves to at least one you know, relatively mid or
small market team, not a lot of super duper stars,
although they were stars, but they are the best top
one of the best, top to bottom seven game world
series ever wound up averaging thirty five million viewers. If
(50:26):
this year's NBA Finals from a basketball standpoint, completely sells
out in terms of excitement and individual performances and goes seven,
will that make a difference in the ratings nationally? Or
has that basically already been set.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I think it's already been set me too. It's sorry
to be set. And that is the midway the Midword.
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but let's get you ready for the NBA Finals throughout
the show. Uh, but also let's talk about what the
Suns have done. Okay, so two different stories in one.
The Sons hired Jordan Ought and it looks like they're
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going to trade Kevin Durant, So why does this all
make sense? First, Kevin Rant, I mean, you have topped
doubt and he is no longer at the peak of
his powers. We're all okay saying that doesn't mean he
has no value, but he has reached the peak of
his powers without any question. He's not going to be
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an MVP ever again in the NBA, and that's okay.
He's had a verse ballot Hall of Fame career and
no one's going to argue with any of that. But
the Jordan not thing is really interesting, right. An assistant
with the Cavskas had a great season and though they
fell short in the playoffs, and again, part of that
is the nixt story. And I think one of the
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reasons that Nicks made their change was in their mind,
the Celtics weren't healthy. Plus they needed two miracle comebacks
to beat the Celtics, and then they never played the Calves.
So you're not exactly matching up with the best of
the best in the East and you still couldn't get
to the finals. Again, I'm not saying I agree with it,
but that's the philosophy. Ott used to work for Michigan State.
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He was. He was a video coordinator and grad assistant
and the owner of the Phoenix Suns was a walk
on at Michigan State. And of course he hires a
Michigan State guy. He hires somebody that is oh signs
off on. It's really not that hard to track these things,
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and it's always interesting to me on how we try
and make things about what they're not about, which is
why you know Karl Anthony Towns and Jalen Brunson ended
up with the Knicks to begin with, is they were
Leon Rose clients. And so when Leon Rose got the job,
everyone knew by at some point in time Carl Towns
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Conthony Towns, who grew up close and was a Leon
Rose client, was going to be with the Knicks. And
the same thing would happen with Jalen Brunson. So when
things go bad with Carl Towns Canthony Towns in the playoffs,
the coach goes. The player does not why because the
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player has the relationship and players are harder to find
than coaches are hard to find. For aut he now
has the relationship, and because he's not a huge name,
he won't command a huge salary, but that'll probably buy
him extra time in terms of reforming the Phoenix Suns.
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You know, I was told a long time ago, and
I'm sure you've heard the expression business is not about
what you know, it's about who you know. And I
guess some really good friends that say it's all about relationships,
and it truly is. And that's how Jordan ought. Who's
good at what he does. I'm not telling you he's
not good at what it does. But could you have
picked him out of a lineup? No, in any other
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world in the NBA, is he a top candidate. He's
a candidate. But the reason he got it he's a spartan.
And the Michigan State spartan is going to hire a
Michigan State spartan because that's work. That's all they know.
That's that's what works. It's about the right things that
play the right style, and if you meld it to
a little bit more of a professional style offense with
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better players, you'll be okay. Right, So Jordan Notchranu's coach
of the Suns. And then the other part to Kevin
Durant is it's your probably your most movable piece. They're
in love with Devin Booker there, not exactly sure why,
but he's your most movable piece, and he's a little
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bit longer the tooth, and he's had multiple injuries, and
he can he knows he's going to be moved. It's
not that hard. A comvo doesn't make it the right move,
but it's the move that they're going to make. All right.
More on that to come here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let me get to the
NBA Finals. So team minus one day. And I don't
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like prediction radio. Neither does neither does Jase too, nor
even preview radio. Right, I don't love this guy's got
to get this many shots and this has got like
a basketball game is so unique unto itself. You can't
tell who's gonna be in foul trouble, how they're gonna
guard you, what the game is gonna be like, are
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you gonna make it first couple of shots? If you
make your first couple of shots and you're a twenty
a game guy, well then you should go for forty.
If you miss your first ten shots, well then you
should stop shooting. So I don't do that. What I
do think, though, is that you have to change how
you look at you change how you look at it.
If you look at it as who's gonna be the
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best superstar in it, it probably be say he'll be
the most consistent. But based upon how these two teams
are built, they have multiple scoring weapons, they went off
their defense, they win in transition. They have a lot
of different guys who can give you a little something different.
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And I don't know what the next five years the
NBA looks like with the new collective Bartner agreement coming online,
and I'm not willing to say this is absolutely the
way of the current and near future. But that's what
happens in sports. That's what happens in business. If somebody
is successful, then they copy what somebody has done to
be successful, right. I mean Mark Dagnol, he's the head
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coach of the of the Thunder. He was their G
League head coach, so he's been in the organization, he's
risen through the organization. And then oh yeah, by the way,
he brought back Alex Cruso who played for him in
the G League way back when. If they win the title,
why wouldn't she build it the way that Oklahoma City
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has built it? You know, through draft picks through your own,
Sprinkle in a couple of pieces that have a working
knowledge of your head coach, a head coach who doesn't
carry around the ego of some of these former players
are head coaches, and you go, now, Rick Carlisle a
little different. He's been doing a long time. He's been
an NBA coach forever. He's the NBA player in his
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own right. He's very offensive minded. They play fast, they
play fluid. He's won a lot of different places. If
he wins it, we're gonna make it. We'll probably make
the You know, it's because of all the experience of
Rick Carlisle has that they were able to be successful.
And there'll be some people that copy that. That's how
business works, that's how sports works. You take something that's
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being successful and you may tweak the name, you may
tweak a little bit of the style. You may go
mcdowells as supposed to McDonald's. You may figure out some way,
but you copy it. And I kind of hope the
Pacers win this thing, not because I don't. I think
the Thunder will win it. I think the Thunder are better,
and I like the way the Thunder do something. But
the way the Pacers play, the pace by which they play.
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I think it makes for an exciting product. It allows
you to play more players, which keysmore players happy and again,
going back to it, it's a better, more watchable brand
of NBA basketball. NBA basketball has the type of image
that reality shows have. Reality shows can be nice and
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sincere and sweet. But if you say that couple has
a reality show, you would think all of them are
like that couple that just got released from prison after
defrauding people of thirty six million dollars, right where nothing
they say appears to be real nothing. But not all
reality shows are like that. Some of them are nice,
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There's some new reporting on the next firing of Tom Sibido, right,
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and I think I think all this stuff is super interesting.
You know, I did read what set Davis tweeted. I've
been working with Jay Wright on TV for three years.
Based on every conversation we've had, I would say there's
a greater chance that I will be the Knicks head
coach than him. The difference is if they call me,
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I will say, yes, that sounds great, and I'd love Seth.
But if you're if you're a basketball guy, if you're
an East Coast guy, the idea and it has lured
many people before. The guy who wins the title with
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the Knicks will be celebrated, unlike any head coach in
the NBA, any head coach in the NBA. And I agree,
I've talked to Jay as well. I think Jay likes
his life. I think it's a great life, but he doesn't.
We you don't want to go back to college because
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college is not the same, right, College is not the same,
and it's just it's not what it used to be
when he was there. It doesn't mean he wouldn't win.
And the guy win no matter what he does. But
he also can make fifteen or twenty million dollars a year,
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like there's no salary cap on coaches. You know, I
have to like Jim Dolan, but he's a billionaire and
he can write whatever check he wants. Per league sources,
NIXT relieved Tom Thibodeau of his duties after the team
receives from conference finals for the first time in twenty
five years, but failed to defance the NBA Finals with
the goal of winning a championship. League sources told The
Athletic that this organization needed a new voice and it
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was the first step in the process. Of reaching those heights.
Those sources said it was a decision made by team
president Leon Rose, with the backing of owner James Dolan. So,
you know, I've had people ask me all the time, like, well,
what did you think of TIB's rotations? Look, Tom Timbeau's
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coach in the NBA for as long as I've been alive,
and I get that. It's really cool to sit here
and go like, why'd you sub this guy? And why
did you love that guy? And this guy had success
And Okay, if you didn't know that Tibbs doesn't play
his bench, I don't know what to tell you. I
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know he has not won an NBA title yet. He's
also not had an NBA championship caliber team. And this
one was a flawed team as well. Did he do
the perfect coaching job? No, but they they had gotten
better every year, They went further in the playoffs every year,
and they got to the first teams conference finals in
twenty five years. So I'm not exactly sure what we're
looking for in terms of some some sort of magic
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cure magic Elickxer did. Jay Wright thing makes sense because
he's got three former Villainova weild Cats, three guys that'll
immediately buy in. And that's what you got to be
worried about, because no matter who they bring in, everyone
else was brought in under Tibb's watch and Tibbs signed
off on it. So now you got a new guy,
new people, and is he going to bring his own
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players per se, just like we're talking about James Ott right,
he's a Michigan State guy. He was brought in because
the owners of Michigan State guy and everybody brings in
their own people. And you have a really good chance
of upsetting the apple cart when you have a new
head coach that brings in his own people. If he
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I still think Jeff n. Gundy is out there as
a candidate. Obviously, Mike Malone's a possible candidate. Those are
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three really good candidates. Van Gundhy coaching this year covered
the league forever been in New York, went to it,
he went went to a finals, Malone won a championship,
and Jay Wright won to national championships. Has three former
players in the team and is beloved in basketball. And
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you know, again, the offense and the style would be different,
but the simplicity of how he does things. Now, the
one thing that Jay would run into is, you know,
he's so big on attitude. If you've ever been to
their practices, they're like machines. It's an amazing practice. I
don't think that works in the NBA, and I'd be
interested to see how it would be implemented in terms
of how they're kind of programmed to act, to act,
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to work and to play together as a team. That
part would be really interesting. Hmm. And I can't think
of anybody else who is a Kendid because you can't
fire a coach because he hasn't been successful in the
NBA playss For a coach that hasn't been successful in
the NBA playss or or in championship basketball, yes, uh uh, Sammy.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
What about like Brad Stevens. They could lure him away
from the Celtics front office.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So he's the president. He makes all the decisions, and
he wants to be the coach and work for somebody
else who.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
I'm just throwing it out there. That's why they offer
kind of analysis that wanted from you.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He's saying, would I hire Would I hire Brad Stevens
if I get him? Yes? But why would Brad Stevens,
who kicked himself upstairs to the presidency and won an
NBA championship and probably feels like you're healthy, they could
have won another one. Why would he? Why would that
be the job that he takes.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's not a New York career point.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
What are you going to say Therese?
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I know you've had experience, whether it be in your
coaches room or in your your own business broadcast business.
But when the leader of the meeting says, hey, I'm
taking all ideas here, no such thing is a bad idea.
I think Sam just proved like sometimes there is such
thing as that, and you know, maybe it's just not
worthy of discussion.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't think that's not where they of discussion. No, No,
I don't think that's not where the discussion. I'm not
and and and Sam. I know sometimes I appear terse
and dismissive I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
No, you were listed all the reasons why he wouldn't leave.
He's always a name that comes up. So I just thought, well,
he's always name.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
It comes up, but at Indiana because he's from Indiana,
and people who are like, what's Indiana? So of course
you want to coach Indiana And he's like, yeah, coach
the butler went to two national champiship games. Like NBA
is way better and the other part too. It is
like he's a legit husband father. He likes to be home.
That's one of the reasons he didn't want to coach anymore.
So I don't think he wants the noise in the
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nonsense of being the next coach. I could be wrong.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
He has a nine to five job. Yeah, he makes
plenty of money. He's winning championships.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I think he's good.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
He just the only thing I can think of is
that he has like a thirsty desire to coach players again.
But he kind of does.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
If he has a thirst desire to coach players again, yeah,
that's that's possible. I don't think that would be the
place to do it, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I just can't the cliche there's no such thing as
bad ideas. I think is oh yeah, I think there
always is such thing as.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Though there's definitely such thing as bad ideas.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
And then also the people that say doesn't hurt to ask, No,
it actually does hurt to ask, Like if you're if
your relationship with the person becomes compromised because you just
asked them to do something, was it worth it? No,
it does hurt to ask, Like, hey, doesn't hurt to ask,
And then all of a sudden when they are being
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called in and compromise relationships and no, I'm never gonna
buy it doesn't hurt to ask.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I don't think anything was injured or damage because I
threw Brad Stevens's name out.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
No, no, no, I'm onto a totally different He's on a
whole different times. I'm way off on a different subject.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
What you did was it's like you being a personal No. No,
it's like the lawyer who says, like, basically like you
open the door with that line of questioning, Oh, you
open the door your honor. Yeah, so you open the
door to the discussion about brainstorming brainstorming sessions where somebody says,
no such thing as a bad idea, and then the
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second they say that, somebody raised their hands says, hey,
what about it's just outside the box. What about colonizing
uranus right, which of course makes people say uranus, which
makes everybody laugh, which the han't actually happened because it's
not anyway, there are bad ideas.
Speaker 5 (18:26):
And then the second one was was a totally different topic.
And recently the guy, the kid from Penn State that
was drafted second overall, he asked Lawrence Taylor for his number,
and he probably did it under the premise of, hey,
doesn't hurt to ask?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Doesn't ask?
Speaker 5 (18:41):
But it does because your reputation for you look foolish
for asking, kid.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But you don't get what you don't ask for, you
have to try it.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Obviously, Sam is a proponent of it doesn't hurt to ask,
which is fine.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, let's do this. Let's uh, let's circle back to this.
We got a good midway coming up as well. Big
Shot Bob I believe is calling in here momentarily before
me that. Let's get you a quick update here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Isaac, It's
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Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and there
is no man on earth more synonymous with Championship NBA
basketball than our next guest. He's known as Big Shot Bob.
We'll just call it Robert, or we'll get formal. Seven
time NBA champion, two with the Rockets, three with the Lakers,
two with the Spurs, and he's here courtesy of bet Online.
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Check got bet online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props. Robert,
thanks so much for taking time. Your first NBA Finals
was against two New York Nicks. So was that the OJ.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
One Game three?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
So okay, So let's go before the series, right, because
because that was the No Jordan in the league year,
New York finally broke through. Okay, you had you had dream,
Kenny Smith, what do you remember about getting ready for
that series?
Speaker 6 (20:13):
I just remember how tough it was. You know, we
went down two to the Phoenix Suns and we had
to come back and go on the road and win.
And it was just the way we were constructed was
a defensive team. And I think we're the only team
that's probably won the NBA Championship that's that at the
time that only had one All Star. You know, that
was Dream. But we played really good defense. I think
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we were top three defensively in the league, and we
were able to shut people down, and and we had
one of the best players in the in the league,
you know, MVP and a Chema Lodgemon. We just kind
of rolle this coattail to the championship. So it was
an amazing run.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Start Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what's
it like? What's it? What was that first championship like?
To win?
Speaker 6 (20:59):
It was weird because when I wanted I just kind
of like, oh, is this what the NBA about? Because
I was in my second year and I was happy because,
you know, the season was over. I can get some rest.
And then I looked around and I realized I never
even touched the trophy, and I'm like, oh, crap, I
need to get back here and get so I could
touch the trophy. And it was just one of those
moments where you was you was so proud of yourself,
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but I was more the type of like, oh, this
is what Dream played for, this is what otis played for.
You know, you know, Kenny Smith, Brandon Maxley's guys have
been the league way longer than me. I just I
just took a step back and let them enjoy the moment.
I just watched because I just feel like I really
deserved to touch it because I hadn't been doing that long.
It was just one of those experiences that could just
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be shocked and you're just like, you don't know what
to do.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
To be honest, what was the most What was the
one that you won that if you look back, you're like,
I don't think we were that good, yet we still won.
The title.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
Was ninety five, you know when we started, when we
started saying this three or four times when we started
small ball, we went down three one to the Phoenix
Suns and they moved me to small foward, and then
we won the series and went on to sweep Orlando
in the finals. And you look back and you said, Okay,
we had two great players in Clyde Dressferd and Keem Olaja,
and the way they played in a couple series, you know,
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both of them having forty points against the Utah Jazz
to win a game, and the way we went down
three to one, the scenes and get the way we
just annihilated the Spurs after David Robinson won MVP and
n we swept Orlando. He's like, like, were we really
that good? And you look back and everybody sailf Jordan
would have been there. You went in the one. I'm like,
y'all forget Jordan got his butt beat by this by Orlando.
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Matter it.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
He was back.
Speaker 6 (22:43):
He dropped the double nickel that year on New York, so.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
He was back.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
So for us, just look at that year. I was like,
oh we won that. But every other year, you know,
with the Lakers, we were just beash and we beat everybody,
and the same thing with the Spurs, we just betted everybody.
So if I have to pick one's the ninety five.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Okay, let's go to the Lakers, right. I mean the
shot against the Kings is one that there's lots of
shots you maybe the Spurs and shots you made, but
for whatever reason, it feels like the one against the
Kings is a one that people point to the most.
Why do you think that.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Is because they felt like, if we lose this game,
we go down three one to the Kings. And Kings
had the best record in basketball that year. You know,
they was right there with Chris Webber, Doug Chrissy and
Mike Bibbitt. They had a really good team. You know,
they could be anyone, and we knew whoever won that
game was going to win win the NBA title. And
(23:35):
I think for us and the Pill was a game
game four knocking down that shot at home. Now you
think about it, the way I played against the Pistons
in two thousand and five, I didn't even talk about
that in the second half, but because I made a
shot in the Laker uniform in Staples at the time,
it's going to be talked about because one of the
greatest franchise in all of sports, and at home, you know,
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it was very significant in the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
I should say, what's that like for everybody to know
you as Big Shot Bob? I mean, honestly, what does
that feel like when people shout out out to you
when they see you walking by?
Speaker 6 (24:09):
It feels great, man, Because when you're a kid growing up,
you said you want to get nickname, and when you
you know, you don't just come out and say I'm
gonna call myself big Shot. And if someone gives you
the name and it sticks, it means a lot because
it made it lets you know you made it. You
think about how many songs my name has been mentioned,
all the titles them, and people say, oh, big shot,
what's happening. You know, it makes you feel good because
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there's a lot of guys that I passed by and
I'm like, damn, what's his name again? But when you
got a nickname that sticks, you know. So now that
I got a nickname that kind of sticks, and I'm
on the minds of a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Okay, let's get rid of for this NBA Finals. You
got the thunder who they're a super young team but
obviously super talented team, deep athletic, and I do think
it benefits them that they're going against a pacer team
that they're not super young, but they're they're not. It's
sound like they're going against Lebron, Grizzly Vetts, guys that
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been there, guys that get benefit of debt with calls.
What Just tell me what your overall early thoughts are
on the matchup between the two teams.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
I think they're very similar. You know, if you put them,
you line them up and you think about who they
have and what team they're all similar. You know, chet
Hongry shoots a lot of threes, and you got Miles
Turner who shoot a lot of threes. You got Obi
Topping who can jump out to gym. Then you got
you know, Jaylen Williams, you can jump out of the now.
You've got Lou Dorfins who played good defense. You got
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that can play defense. It's like you go down this
list of players, they're all pretty much evenly matching. You know, Okay,
she just gets more fanfare because of the commercials because
SGA got you know, MVP, and they playing in the West,
and you always think the West is better, But don't
create this stas team.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Man.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
You've got Ters Halliburn who's playing with a chip on
his stummer. You got Nim Hark who stepped into a
role who can knock down some big and got a
lot of guys on this team that are really good.
You think about what Nie Smith did and we hit
like what eight nine threes against the Knicks, So you
never know what can happen. And I think this space
a team they pay the best as far as team
orient and basketball. Someone every night is leading score. I
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think they pay better than even okay see because okay
see each and every night, you know who they leading
score is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
You know, you do you do? How what do you
what do you think about how he's officiated?
Speaker 6 (26:25):
I hate it, I really do. I hate it because
I hate when when when refs gives the benefit of
the doubt to the offensive player. If you come down
and you bump into me and all of a sudden,
it's the file, I do have a right. You know,
it's no different than verdictaliti. If I'm running along and all
of a sudden you run into me or something of
that nature. It's it's just bad Basketball's teaching kids. It's
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like it's okay to bail yourself out, you know, work
for your shot, get your shot, you know, learn how
to get away from the player. And it's it's just
I just know that's the way he's been officiated. No,
you know, you think about he's just James hard to borrow,
you know, how he's able to manipulate the reps and
get to the regail line. But I do hope that
they figure out a way not to just give these guys,
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you know, the line to the free throw line because
it's bad basketball. You know, you always talk about you
want the game to be fast paced all these bogus
calls that some of these players get. It's not just SGA.
You know, you can go down a list to people
and it's so they need to find some way to
give the defense a little bit more credit than taking
it away from them.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Okay, so all you have to do is check out
go to bed online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props.
Right now, the Thunder are minus sixty seventy the Pacers
are plus four ninety, so the Thunder are prohibitive favorites
to win the series. Robert, Man, it's like any time
to talk hoop with you, it's awesome. But now we
get ready for the NBA Finals. I mean, that's your
(27:49):
time really special. We really appreciate that's what's spends the
time with us.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Yeah, Man, thank you for always having me on man
big fan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Man, pleasures all ours. That's a big shot out, Robert
or joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
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(28:19):
think in other sports, is there are there other Robert
Orri's Jay stew and Sam like uh Ilo? Are there
other Robert Orri's? By that, I mean guys that are
synonymous with really good players, but they're known for like
that guy was. He's almost like a Where's Waldo of
championship teams? I totally forgot he was on those first
(28:41):
two Rockets championship teams, and the Spurs teams and the
Lakers teams, et cetera. Is there is there a baseball
or football version of that?
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Well, for basketball, Steve Kirk comes to mind, But other sports,
that's really interesting.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
I would offer up this, and each of them can
be disputed, so I'm not married to these. But Doug
gave us ten seconds of notice. Charles Haley, Mark Swareth,
Bill Romanowski.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Good, Yeah, that's those are good.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
That's pretty good. I did. I did give you ten seconds.
That's pretty solid. Well, who are you gonna say? You said?
Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr won two or three?
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Uh he I mean he won at least four because
he was on the Spurs in ninety nine. I don't
remember if he was part of their two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
He was on the two thousand and three team.
Speaker 7 (29:31):
Okay, then was five.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He was on two Bulls teams. I don't think he
was on all three, No, he was.
Speaker 7 (29:36):
He was on the last three. Yeah, so he was
on three with the Bulls and two with the Spurs.
So five totally, yep, Okay, five total?
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, no base is there a baseball one baseball?
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Well yeah, but all with the Yankees probably right.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But like there's cheater and there's my rever, Like those
guys are the top line stars. I'm talking about a
guy who's just a good player, can't be just a role.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Players around, wins some championships.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
Well, I mean he's in the Hall of Fame. But
Yogi bear. But again, that was with one team.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
I'm not referring to the guy that was cooked by
his wife and slapped a comedian at the Oscars. But
there's a reliever named Will Smith. I think executive World Series.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
He was on the Dodgers and then who are the
other two? He's on the was he on the did
the Rays win? One?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Was never on the Dodgers Rangers?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
There was a different Will Smith on the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Right, he's a catcher.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Okay, so I did have the right name. I had
the wrong player.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Correct, the reliever Will Smith?
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Actually you could say Reggie Jackson three with the A's
and two with the Yankees. Perhaps, But he was also a.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Star Okay again, like it's a very unique thing, like
a star role player.
Speaker 7 (30:55):
How about the likes of Ramiro Mendoza and Chuck Knoblock.
How about Cheflin Nelson.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Chuck New Kids on Nablock? Right, you guys think of that?
You guys hit us up on social media at Gottleeb Show.
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Speaker 1 (31:15):
What Up but You Dog Gottlieb Show? Fox Sports Radio
And what is an absolutely spectacular day here in Northeast Wisconsin.
We welcome you all in to the DG Show. You
hear from Daniel Jeremiah. Later on this hour, we'll also
(31:38):
discuss Sam Donald's unique situation in Seattle. Upcoming we got
the press for you, and I just you know, so,
we have this YouTube channel you can watch clips of
our show. I'm just super bummed that I'm not getting
I'm not getting to see the you know what eating
(31:58):
grin on the face of Jason Stewart, because after taking
two of three from the Yankees, you know, then they
lost what Sunday to the Yankees, they lose Monday and
extra innings to the Mets. And last night's baseball was fun.
Two nights in a row of extra innings baseball, especially
against the Mets. When you know at Schebez at the Ravine,
(32:21):
all the New Yorkers come out and it's just a
great crowd. Best part is two more games against the Mets.
But the grin, I'm I wish I had the you
know what eating grin? Uh Sam does? Is that how
Jason Sewart has been walking around all day kind of
that cat they ate the canary look.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I looked over. I mean he had sort of a
weird facial expression. Yeah, for the most part, We'll say,
might be your gas, yeah gas, Yes, he's been grinning.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Yes, I mean two guys, Max Mounsey, as we previously discussed.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, you are single handedly responsible for his research.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
He's exercised his demon and then last night was the
night that Scott exercised his demon. And by exercise demon,
I mean he actually got a couple outs because he
hasn't been able to do that. He's not a closer,
remember Andrew Friedman. He thinks he's smarter than you, so
he's never going to tell you that he has a closer.
(33:15):
He's going to be the first GM to win without
a closer. But he paid Tanner Scott like a closer,
and Tanner Scott has been just dreadful. So yeah, he
got the win last night or the save, I don't know,
Tanner picked it up. But could we pay off a
tease before we get into the midway?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, So the group.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Text is Isaac, Sam, Doug and me. Before the show,
I threw out the idea from the midway. Now I'm
going to ask you, Doug, just give me your honest answer.
Don't google it, don't look it up. And Sam, you can't.
You can't taint these waters here. Do you know what
a nos feruto is?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
No no idea?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Let's say correctly, hold us like Isaac. Okay, well we
have to say it correctly, you're misleading. It's no Sparatu.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Do you know what? No s Ferratu is Isaac.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
He is a backup defenseman on the Florida Panthers. No,
I don't, okay, so that makes over three. No, no clue.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
I have never heard of the term. No.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
No, I had no idea what that is?
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Not one of these things that you don't know about,
but you kind of have clues as to what it
could be referred to. I was completely lost.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
I just thought it was that part in a group
discussion where Sam meant to send it to a different
group text, so you just ignore it. But I threw
out the idea from midway. It goes like this, Uh, well,
the NBA ever created finals that mirrors the Super Bowl,
as per Adam Silver saying this on Breakfast Ball today.
(34:49):
And Sam goes to the group text and says, no Sperrutu.
No Sfaratu appears in the sunlight.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
So what what are things that appear in the sunlight
that usually don't nocturnal animals?
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Vampires?
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Vampires? There you go, and no Sparatu is a vampire.
It goes back about one hundred years. The original No
s Faratu movie and I was making a joke about
Adam Silver's appearance, maybe a crass one, but oh for
three guys, Oh boy, we got Mike coming in. Mike,
have you ever heard of nos Faratu?
Speaker 6 (35:24):
That?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah, and he Mike's knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Let's get the man on the SI for years to
my defense here, thank you, Mike.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Sorry about that little technical issue there.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah, the problem with that is that it's such an
I feel like it's an obscure.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Exactly except that a No Sparatu movie remake came out
last year too much.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
So now Sam's insulting us for not being up on.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I'm gonna send a picture of the original Nose s
Faratu and you guys can tell me if there's any
similarities there. So the the original No s Faratu very
scary looking guy. It was a It might have been
a silent film, but it was made in early twenties.
And no, I mean Adam Silver might might not appear
in the sun very often. He might be a vampire,
or he might just look like No Saratu.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
That reference sailed over me as if I was the
uprights on a Cameron Dicker field goal attempt.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
All Right, it was lost on you, guys. I just
thought you knew who No Sparatu was.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I'm trying to think. I just on the group text.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Do you recognize this person I sent to the group text. No,
Doug's okay. So Doug sent Emperor Palpatine, which I don't
mind that, but Adam Silver is not wrinkly like Palpatine,
and you can't see the top of Palpatine's head, so
I would say no, Seratu gets a slight nod.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
So not only did he did he he declined to
apologize for making a joke that he's doubled down. Now
he's insulting you, Doug, for your contribution.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
I mean, I always appreciate people adding things, even if
you know, like a Brad Doug had the nice Brad
Stevens addition in here. It was like, yeah, yeah it works,
but you know, we'll just we'll talk about it.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
You be back for Brad Stevens. Man. You show guys, what.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Was the really it was Lurch? Is that his name
from them? Oh?
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Yeah, from the Adams stamilely Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
No, you're thinking of Uncle Fester. Well, Lurch had hair.
He was just Uncle Fester, didn't Uncle Fester is bald,
and but he was more of a portly guy. So
I guess Adam Silver might And listen, I'm not I'm
being we're being mean, but we're just making a joke.
Adam Silver might be across between Uncle Fester and Lurch
because Lurch is very tall, but he had hair and
(37:38):
he had sort of the pale demeanor.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
It is clear that Adam Silver might need some more.
He might need to take a vitamin C supplement.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
He might need a steak, maybe Vitamin D. Sorry, yeah,
he might need some zinc and some protein.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean, anybody, I'll get you back. I mean, you
can never have too much vitamin C. You just pee
it out if you have too much anyway.
Speaker 7 (37:59):
Right, I'll just say your word for it.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
But okay, and you know, Adam Silver Silver probably healthier
human being than I am.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
So yeah, he's like a marathon guy.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah he's so we're just we're just cracking. Why is
cracking here? There you go? Yep, Uncle Fester played the
best Uncle faster was I thought played by you know,
Christopher Lloyd because I love those movies from the early nineties.
But there you go. We got I think we nailed
it down now, you guys know who know sparatu is,
and we have compiled several celebrities to uh to the
(38:31):
composition of Adam Silver.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
I will say this though, on all future exchanges on
this particular text exchange, I will now reply with the
most obscure possible reference that none of you will understand.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
The original is not obscure. It's a pretty well known
You guys just didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
How much money did the movie make last year?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Well, I don't how much Google?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
How much money did the movie make?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
The movie came out out?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Anyway, Jay Stu, I get that your friend's talking the money.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
The money.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Hold on, I'm not talking about twenty four anyway.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, I am, because you're saying, you basically said, we're
a bunch of dopes. Everybody knows who knows faratu is,
and we're the only three human man. It seem like
we're the only three human beings on earth that don't
know what knows frutus. I may you may be right.
You may be right. This may be part of pop
culture where we're just we are grumpy old man, get
off our.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Log, and Mike is sending us a text where someone
compares Adam Silver and Knows s Faratu the nineteen twenties
version side by side. Thank you, Mike is in my
corner here. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Of course he is, because he's the one who's you're
you're like copying his reference.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Uh No, he's he's just saying that. Oh my god,
look at all the nose Sparatus side by sides here
if you just google it, Oh my god. So yeah,
I'd say you guys were a bit in the dark,
kind of like nos Faratu, kind of like Adam Silver
in a vampire.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I'm just saying, I mean, we're just really making fun
of Adam Silver's teeth.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
If this knows Faratu his teeth, all right, I those
has some real He is.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
An odd looking dude, right. I don't think anybody anybody would,
uh would argue with that one. That's an odd looking dude.
Speaker 5 (40:14):
All right.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Speaking of Adam Silver, that takes us to the midway.
He's not getting mad.
Speaker 7 (40:21):
It's time for.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Okay, the midway. What's the topic today?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Jay stet Adam Silver two people in the world refer
to him as knows Faratu said this on Breakfast Ball.
Speaker 8 (40:39):
It's one thing I really admire about the NFL. I mean,
if if we were going into a Super Bowl and
it was Packers against Steelers, you guys would be celebrating that.
Nobody would Those would be storied franchises. People wouldn't be
talking about markets. You know, the fact that Pittsburgh is
a small market, so we in fact, you know, I'm
happy whatever team ends up in the finals. But it's
(41:00):
been intentional from our standpoint to create a system, a
collective bargaining agreement that allows more teams to compete. And
just by way of background, you know, we're going to
have to go through a process of getting to the
point where people are accustomed to tuning into the finals
because it's the two teams that deserve to be there
and it's the best basketball. Similar to again with the
(41:22):
super Bowl. If I asked somebody if they were going
to watch the super Bowl, they wouldn't say who's playing.
It's a national holiday and now that's Nirvana.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:29):
Yeah, I'm not saying we're anywhere close to that yet.
There's still if the Knicks are in the finals, there's
a segment of our fan base that's going to watch
that may not watch if it's other teams. But my
job is to get people to love and follow this game,
and so that if you're a huge basketball fan, you
should want to tune into the finals because that's the
best basketball.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
That part is fair. That part is fair, and I
thought the unfair part, or the of twos part is
the well, you know small markets is Green Bay and Pittsburgh,
like those are two of their greatest historical franchises in
the history of the sport. Oh yeah, by the way,
the thunder have been around for less than twenty years
(42:12):
and the Pacers were an ABA team, so it's just
not the same comparison. But I do love how he's
ambitious and trying to trying to adjust to the sports
fan of today, which is is definitely needed, definitely needed.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
So your answer is, no, the NBA Finals could never
become another Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
No, No, I think it's in the summer. It's it's
in the summer at seven games, yep, It's.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Not a single day. No, it's not on a Sunday,
although a game might fall on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I mean, I I there was a world there where
Kobe and Lebron never matched up in the finals.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
Just take over your body for a second there.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
No, I just had a yawn and I'm not tired.
I apologize. Jase Stu got on me if you yawning previously,
I'm like, I'm awake.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
You just got the green light to do a lou
Holtz impression.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
Hey, you know, I'm sorry, guys a super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
But you did you know you take making Cuba Bolt.
You need to talk about Note to Dame and.
Speaker 5 (43:19):
I'll just quote somebody that we all are very intimately
aware of. My man. If you're follow to sleep on
the year, your listeners sure are.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
No.
Speaker 7 (43:28):
He was. He was into holes. Hey, though, here's what
what you actually kind of triggered my thought for comparison,
triggered in a good way for comparison purposes. What previous
NBA Finals matchup came closest to that sort of aspirations
(43:52):
the bingo, That's exactly where I was going. That kind
of captured the imagination of the nation for a two
week span, and that's exactly what I thought. Celtics Lakers,
Bulls Lakers in ninety one and to this day, the
highest rated NBA Finals matchup involved the team from Utah.
(44:13):
It was Game six of the bulls Utah Jazz series
in nineteen ninety eight. What it was thirty three point
one million viewers, I think for that one.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
So what of those that was based on Geordan?
Speaker 7 (44:25):
Of course? And the last Dance?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Sure well not it wasn't the last dance of the time.
Speaker 7 (44:31):
Oh no, it was. It was. They knew it was
the last dance at the time, or at the very least,
it was most likely the last dance, most.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
Likely, But you know, I don't. I don't remember tuning
into that finals going like this is the last time
I'm going to see joh You know again, most people
thought it was likely, but we didn't know.
Speaker 7 (44:50):
So what parameters would be needed to give the best
possible shot of the NBA rivaling the Super Bowl hype?
It would be a great compelling superstar on each team,
a great compelling story you haven't won it in fifty years,
like the Knicks, a raucous home crowd. Maybe that's maybe
(45:13):
that's not as important, but you're looking at you're looking
at basically two things, superstars and storylines.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
I just think I think it's a complete fools errand
to ever if you're a commissioner of a sport compare
yourself to the NFL. The way the NFL resonates with
Americans will never be matched. And if I think it
was foolish to him to go to the comparison, because
now talk radio is making the comparison, and I would
(45:47):
say ten out of ten talk radio hosts and analysts
are saying it'll never become the super Bowl. People love
gambling on football, wives love sitting with their husbands and
watching football. They're just are there are little things that
this intangible things that will never be able to grasp
for why this sport is so popular and the NBA
(46:10):
is woefully in second place in that.
Speaker 7 (46:14):
And would you guys feel that perhaps you could even
make the argument that NBA All Star Weekend is a
closer super Bowl esque vibe than the NBA Finals are,
not in terms of TV ratings, but as a destination,
almost like an event, a convention and an event. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:35):
I don't know if this has been brought up yet,
I apologize if it has. But also Adam Silver talked
about quote unquote small markets like Pittsburgh and Green Bay. Uh,
those two franchises in the NFL have a combined like
how many championships between them and so that, oh you did,
I must have been cixated on a commissioner knows, Faratu,
we'll clean it up and edit.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I was. I wasn't the one who was sleeping. I was.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
I was.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
I was so.
Speaker 5 (47:04):
And Adam sober he's been.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
I'm gonna hey, listen, I'll do a quick man cope
on nos Fau. One hundred and one million dollars is
nothing to uh to thumb your nose, Faratu at ah,
look again, I have I actually truly appreciate Jay Stu's
(47:26):
honesty because he's in search of whatever the opposite of
BS is. He carried with him a huge negative bias
towards the NBA into the season, and I didn't plead
with him, but I made the case that it's a
much better watch than you think, just like baseball is
a way better watch. Now, the numbers have not turned
(47:48):
around to match that, although they were better last year
because you had Yankees and Dodgers, right, so I again,
it won't be We're not gonna have obviously this year
super Bowl like numbers. I don't think in the near future.
There is the only way you get there is if
you have the biggest names in the sport, probably in
(48:13):
some with the historical franchises, right, historical franchises, and you
need to have an epic series because if I said, hey,
will the World Series ever be a super Bowl? You
would say, no, you idiot, it's not close. But I've
been doing sports radio long enough so to have h
(48:34):
I know, Jay stew you and I Loo when they
when I first started doing it, Yankees Red Sox was
everything and it wasn't even the World Series. It was
everything and every game for those two years, oh yeah,
was everything. So you can absolutely have that type of
(48:54):
It'll never be the corporate thing because it's you know,
the weekend set, what a blah blah blah blah. But
you can be gigantic. But we never got Kobe and Lebron.
That would have been this generation's Jordan.
Speaker 7 (49:07):
Bird now magic Bird too, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
I mean Magic Bird. And we also, you know, we
also don't have college rivalries in basketball anymore because nobody
stays long enough in college and the European players are
are leaving. So if you had you did have Lebron
and Steph and KD multiple years in a row, that
(49:29):
was as close as you would have gotten, but I
think it's never going to happen, at least in the
very near future.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
Okay, Doug. For comparison purposes, Oh.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
All right, no, you can comparison. Go ahead, we'll.
Speaker 7 (49:43):
Wrap one, yeah, real quick. For comparison purposes, Let's say
that from a basketball standpoint, this year's NBA Finals is
superb go seven games, great individual performances, buzzer beaters. Will
that help make it respectable in the ratings? Or is
(50:04):
the riding already on the wall, Because I'll go back
to this nineteen ninety one World Series, the Twins and
Braves to at least one you know, relatively mid or
small market team, not a lot of super duper stars,
although they were stars, but they are the best top
one of the best, top to bottom seven game world
series ever wound up averaging thirty five million viewers. If
(50:26):
this year's NBA Finals from a basketball standpoint, completely sells
out in terms of excitement and individual performances and goes seven,
will that make a difference in the ratings nationally? Or
has that basically already been set.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
I think it's already been set me too. It's sorry
to be set. And that is the midway the Midword.
The Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, kiddos, let's get
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