May 22, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug explains why he thinks the what the Pacers did against the Celtics was a choke job. Doug weighs in on what Lebron said about his son Bronny. Doug welcomes NBA Insider Marc Stein on the show to talk about Lebron and to break down the NBA conference finals. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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and direct, Green Bay, Wisconsin. And uh, you know, I
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push back Jason on you last week when we were
talking about the Denver Nuggets choking, and I tried to
identify what I consider a show and if you missed it, basically,
play the last couple of minutes of the Indiana Pacers
game and you go, that's a choke, Like, wait a second.
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The Nuggets were up twenty with ten minutes to go
in the third quarter, they end up getting blown out.
That's not a choke, but this is I you know, look,
we may be arguing semantics collapse. All the warts of
the Nuggets were on display, but when you have the
game and you have it pretty well, what you think
is salted away. Yikes, yikes. Here's Rick Carlole. He's the
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head coach the Indiana Pacers. Remember Rick Carlole has been
the head coach of an NBA championship team with the
Dallas Mavericks back when they took down Lebron and the Heat.
That was in Lebron's first year.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
With the Heat.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But ye yo yo yo yo, yui. What a mess
that this thing was. I mean, just a mess. Here's
Carlos after the game.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
This loss is totally on me. With ten seconds in regulation,
we should have just taken the timeout, advanced the ball
and found a way to get it in and made
a free thrower too, and ended the game. But it
didn't happen, and we made some other mistakes. But our
guys just need to concentrate on fighting the way they
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fought in this game from start to finish, and we'll
be back Thursday.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, look, you're up five, and then you're up too
and Jalen Jalen Brown makes two free throws, you're up one.
Then you go up too on an Andrew Deamhart bucket.
You know, a step back. You have the ball with
ten seconds to go up three. All you have to
do is get the ball in chin the basketball. Remember
in the NBA, and I'll just point this out, the
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NBA's free throw rules the end of the games have
to change, Like, what do you mean? Okay, So the
lane line is wider in the NBA than in any
other part of basketball. The three point line is deeper.
You only get eight seconds to get across mid court,
whereas in college, for example, or high school. You know,
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you gotta talk about the ten second rule. Okay, So
all of these rules, twenty four second shot clock is
the shortest of the shot clocks. Right. All of these
rules are designed designed because you have the best players
in the world. Well, the best player in the world
should be able to make it one to one, and
yet they get two shots, but to not be able
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to get the ball in bounds or hold onto the
basketball to turn that thing over. Yikes, yikes, yikes. Ten
seconds ago up three with the ball with a one
plus one, which is a two shot penalty. That game
should be absolutely over salted away. There's just not enough
time if you make one of the free throws to
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lose that game. But they did. And when you perform
worse in key situations because of the pressure of the moment,
it feels like it that's a joke. Here's time RhE
Haliburton on the lessons learned from losing.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I mean, we know we can play with these guys.
I mean, that's for y'all to say that we don't.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
You know, there's a lot of people are here saying
we don't belong here.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
We don't really care. We know we belong here. Is
Jalen Brown, who made an incredible game tying three with
six seconds to go. Talk about that make at the
end of regulation, Jaylor.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
You talked to Lisa Salters also after the game about
the three that you made, and we're looking at a
shot of it right now in terms of the execution,
the thought process, and the confidence that that play is
gonna work when you need it in that situation.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, we've we've walked through that. I've gone through that,
done reps, and I think we just executed it perfectly.
I thought I got foult on this shot on the
way up. But now was great execution and great play.
Call about Joe, great screen by d Wait and great
pass from Drew.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah. So it's it's called a wrap a rap play
where you come off of the screen and then you
wrap around and as your man kind of hugs onto you,
then it's almost becomes a double screen on the initial screener.
So you know, I like that. I call that like
a trapezoid rap. But the point is was a good play.
He probably did get fouled, he did make the three,
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but it should all be a moodpoint. Shall be a moodpoint.
At that point in the game, there should have been
seven or eight seconds left to go, and the Pacers
should have been up four or five points, and even
that three, which the Celtics got to throw it in
to get it, even that three, that three shouldn't have
really affected the game. Then of course the Pacers get
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the ball of the net, throw it in quick, get
get fouled, make two free throws, and then of course
there's like a length of the court heave and the
Celtics lose. Instead, it's the Celtics that win, and you know,
I want to be very cautious of not doing the
hot take thing that because the Pacers lost, they have
no chance of winning the series. They wouldn't have been
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able to play so well against the Celtics the entire
game if they had a chance, they didn't have a
chance to win the series. But those opportunities or those
opportunities go away really really quick, and game one is
usually a game that you can steal, and they are
still playing about without Christas Perzingis now. I always feel
if you're the Celtics, obviously you want to go up
two games to none, but the you gotta try and
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get Perzingis in during the series because it's really hard
for a guy to not play and then if you
win the series, not play and then play in the
NBA Finals. The level of intensity is just too difficult
to catch up to. On the other hand, you could
definitely you could see him coming back and playing early
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and h and maybe you know, look, he played great
at start of the year and they didn't play much
in the preseason, so what do I know? But that
type of loss is devastating. Those are the ones that
make these guys look like old men. Those are the
ones that make coach where they just don't even feel
pain anymore because they's taken such a pummeling in the media.
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You're up three with the ball ten seconds ago and
you don't get in bounds, you kind of deserve to lose,
kind of deserved to lose. Yeah, Sammy, go ahead, Oh
danism Dan go ahead, buddy.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yeah. I don't think that the Pacers choked. I think
that the Pacers gave it away. And I think that
there's a big difference, Like not being able to get
the ball, you know, inbounds is not a sign of
you know, of succumbing to the pressure. It's a sign
of what the Pacers have had problems with. You saw
it throughout the game. Ball handling. How many I mean
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it felt like more than on one occasion. Tyre's Halliburton,
for as great as he is, just completely loses the
ball out of bounds. I think even in that final
minute sequence in the the it was in regulation or
in overtime. But like, this is the stuff that the
Pacers do which makes you so you know, infuriated if
you're a Pacers fan, because they can look so good
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in play so well at times and then it's stuff
like this that they can't handle. And I appreciate Rick
Carlile saying what he said, and he's right, they did
have a timeout. I got a Mark Diagno's case on
Saturday for how he used his I get on Carlisle
for not using that one or telling them hard to
use the timeout. If you can't get it inbounds, grant,
it's still up three, you have to play defense. And
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somehow they let Jaylen Brown get a shot off in
the corner. But like, none of that to me is choking.
It's giving a game away. Choking is sorry Nick Anderson,
but that's choking. You know, ninety five NBA Finals missing
four free throws in a row. That's choking. So coming
to the pressure, I just think that the Pacers did
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stuff that they seem to do when they get in
these tight games, in tight situations.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But isn't that okay? You and I are talking. I
understand what you're geting. I actually do. There's a fine
line between king and maybe I don't know if the
term is being soft or unable to be disciplined or
lacking the experience of closing, But I would be honest
and I also say like part of it is that
pressure that was cranked up by that building, by that team. Yeah,
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you know, I'm okay if you say, okay, it was
giving it away. Whatever it was, it's not good and
it's really hard to come back from it just is
you know, whereas like a thirty point beat down for
whatever reason, it doesn't feel like that hard to come
back from, like like.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
We just lost.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's over a bad day where Okay, we had the lead,
we fought and we had it won. And then to
use your words, and I agree with we gave it away.
That one feels like it hurts a lot more and
it has more resonance because you get to that point
and now, okay, do I get conservative? You know? Now
do I get overly aggressive? How do how do I
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make that work? Doug otlab Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's a good point, Dan, and I'm willing to willing
to admit that I could rethink. I do think that
when you can't get the ball in bounds and you're
a good passer and you like there's a little choking
to it. But also giving it away is a is
a is a accurate depiction of what took place.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
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Speaker 1 (10:25):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in or live
at the tyret dot Com studios. Hey, there's a there's
an interesting back and forth there Lebron James and JJ
Reddick talking about talking on his podcast and he was
talking about Caitlin Clark. Whan the truth is that this
cut was about Caitlin Clark and Lebron saying, hey, look,
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I've I've been through what Caitlin. And he actually said
something that Jay stew You've been saying, which I agree with,
which is, you know, so many of these women in
the WNBA seem very bothered by Caitlyn Clark. But the
shine that she's going to bring, the attention she's going
to bring is dollars, which is gonna make them all dollars.
And I do think that Lebron's business sense understands. But
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take a listen to what Lebron James said.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
The one thing that I love that she's bringing to
her sport, more people want to watch, more people want
to tune in, don't get it twisted, don't get it up.
Kaitlan Clark is the reason why a lot of great
things is going to happen for the WNBA, But for
her individually, I don't think she should get involved on
nothing that's being said.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Just go have fun and enjoy, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
But I'm rude for Kaitlin because I've been in that
seat before, I've walked that road before. I hope they
I hope she kills I hopefully at Boston does amazing,
you know.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
I hope they do great.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
And I'm just kind of in this mold right now
because I'm getting the same, you know thing from watching
my son, who's a nineteen year old, kind of getting
a lot of animosity and hatred towards him when he's
just a kid trying to live out his dream. You know,
there's a very small number of men and women that
actually get to live out their dream of playing the
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professional sport, and we have grown ass men and women
out here doing whatever they can to try to make
sure that does not happen.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That is the weirdest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, So there's there. Let's there's a lot to unpack.
There so let's do that. Okay, let's let's let's unpack.
Matter of fact, watch watch this. This is my own book.
This is and that's unpacked. Do you like that, Sam,
I have I provide my own sound effects.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah. So the first part lebron is dead on accurate,
which is that she has brought more attention to the
women's game than anyone previously, probably four x right, four
x of what anyone anyone has ever And there have
been great, great players, Aliah Boston one of them. But
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the fact is that mainstream America just didn't care, doesn't
care still really if you look at the numbers and
they're low, but when Caitlin plays, they're outstanding. So that part,
he's like, look, why are is anybody taking shots at
her who plays in the league when she is going
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to make all of you lots of money? Brilliant? But
then he says, he says, there are grown men who
are trying to stop Bronnie James from accomplishing his dream.
Who I would love to know who he's talking about,
because I saw today where now Brownie is ranked the
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fifty sixth best prospect, which is not accurate. It's just not.
I mean, I am now a Division one head coach.
He is not a recruitable athlete, so I can in
fact comment on him and tell you that I don't
believe he would be my best player right now with
my roster. I don't. I think he be a good player.
(14:10):
I'd like to have him, and part of my desire
for him to go to college is I think his
best basketball is still ahead of him. I would agree
with Lebron if that's what he said. But who are
the people who are trying to stop him from accomplishing
his dream? Who would that be? Because I don't think
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anybody's stopped trying to stop him. I'm simply trying to
tell him what the reasonable expectations are and who he
is as a player. Right, would anyone draft Bronnie James
if he wasn't Bronnie James? No? No, Well, the Lakers
draft Ronnie James. Probably. They may not have to, but probably.
(14:55):
And I'm not even something that somebody that says like
there's something nefarious at play here. This happens. Giannis has
two brothers have been the NBA, and neither could play
dead to Cowboy movie. I just think that you want
to talk about your dream, like, look, the way to
get there, by my estimation, is go do the work.
(15:16):
You got to get some live reps. And he's obviously
going to get them in the G League. But dude,
what who? I just this this victim mentality. And it's
interesting the flip that Lebron makes where he's comparing Caitlyn Clark,
who scored more points than anybody in the history of
women's basketball, who went to two straight NCAA Championship games,
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who's the National Player of the year, who's an iconic.
He's comparing his son's plight to that of Caitlin Clark
and Leah Boston others. And I've always been understanding of
this because you know, his analysis of his son is
blinded by love. I get it. I got a son.
I love him more than the moon, the stars, the sun,
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everything in my life. I completely get that. But who
are these imaginary people who are trying to keep your
son from accomplishing his dream? Nobody Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you from the tyreq dot com studios.
Let's welcome in. He's Mark Stein. He's got the steinline
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on substack, He's got the podcast called This League Uncut
with fellow insider Chris Haynes. Of course you can find
it wherever you have fine, fine podcasts. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. And let's
start with Bronnie James. So the quote from lebron on
his podcas on JJ's podcast was, you got grown men
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trying to keep my nineteen year old son from accomplishing
his dream. Who's trying to keep the Bronnie James from
accomplishing his dream?
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Look, I think what he really means is the volume
on noise in twenty twenty four is a lot louder
than when Doug Gottlieb was nineteen, certainly a lot louder
than when I was nineteen. I mean, and I I
do think there is something to it. I don't think
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he really means that there are people trying to stop him?
But are there people rooting for him to fail? I mean,
I you know, I'm sure from a fatherly perspective, they
probably feel that way. And look, Caitlin Clark has been
subjected becomes the criticism. I think that was something else
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he referenced, and you know you can see it. I
mean it's like, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But but there's a difference between Caitlin Clark and Brian James.
Right one is the most accomplished female basketball player you know, arguably.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
Question, but I think but the common I think the
I think the common he made. And look, I'm probably
making a mistake here trying to jump into his head
and speak for Lebron because I certainly can't. I certainly
haven't talked to him about it. But just the noise
that greets any of these storylines in twenty twenty four,
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it does get pretty loud. And look, there's no question
has Bronnie James does he have some advantages because of
who his father is. I don't think there's any question
about it, But I think there are some you know,
there are some instances where people around the NBA look
at it and say, man, it must be tough to
be Lebron's son and try to make your own way
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into the NBA when you have this kind of spotlight
on you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Fair enough, s Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader,
that's Mark Stein.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I was gonna ask, I was gonna I wanted to
start by asking you a question, so save me thirty
seconds at the end.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
To ask you want no, just ask right now, We're good.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Is cal State Fortune going to be on the Green
Bay non conference schedule?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You haven't called. Honestly, I haven't called Dietrich and and
this is full candor, Okay. I I'd love to get
out there and play in Orange County. I owe him
a call because i'd like I need it. I need
a couple of home games.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
So I think, yeah, well, I mean we get if
we can get that, we'll go there first. But let's
get we need to get a home and home on
the schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well that that we can home and home we can do.
But we just got to start the home and home
here in the home of the Phoenix. So if you're
negotiating this deal, if you want to text Dietrich, if
you want to play middleman in this, feel free like
you're good. I would. I would love to do that.
I would love to get out to the o C
and see see all the folks.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
I do as just like I said with Lebron, I
have zero authorization to be negotiating on coach Taylor's behalf,
but just from a sure selfish perspective, I would love
to see. I love to see the Titans going up
against coach Scottlieb and then in a non conference game
or two. That would I would enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That would that would be That would be a lot
of fun. That would be a lot of fun in
Titan Jim, a place I saw the eighty four Olympic
team play an exhibition game, and of course the great
Leon Wood played there in a place that we used
to play pickup ball with Bruce Bowen when he come
back from the Spurs every every summer. Mark Stein joining
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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All right, speaking of my kind of plight, right, no coaching,
no college coaching experience, now at college head coach. Where
are we with Jj and the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
I don't think this thing's going to move as fast
as people would like, because you know, I think we've
discussed this already.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Know.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
JJ Reddick obviously has a day job calling games for ESPN,
and you know he came in at mid season to
join their A team, replacing Doc Rivers. I think ESPN
always knew Doc Rivers was going to go back to coaching,
but I don't think they did it to happen halfway
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through year one, and so after having to deal with
Doc's departure, adding JJ Reddick the eight team certainly ESBN
is going to want j. J Reddick to finish out
the season get them through the finals. I mean doesn't
mean the sides couldn't come to some sort of agreement
sooner if jj Reddick is indeed the coach that the
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Lakers choose, but it does, you know, I think it
does give the Lakers time, and at this point as
we speak, the Lakers aren't competing with anyone else. Washington
has its coaching opening technically, but I think most people
around the league expect Brian Keith, the interim coach, to
get that job. And to this point, I don't think
the Wizards are looking at the same coaching candidates that
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the Lakers are. Now we keep hearing rumblings about Cleveland,
and if they decide to make a coaching change and
replace JB. Vickerstaff inceivably Cleveland and the Lakers could be
vying for some of the same candidates. But at the
top of the Lakers board right now it is JJ
Reddick and Sam Cassell and James Barrego in some order.
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Only the Lakers truly know, but those are the three
main guys they're focusing on. The Lakers are talking to
other candidates as well, assistant coach, you know, assistant coaches
from various teams in the league. But I do think
the Lakers want to, you know, run out all the
ground balls here and take their time and again they
they don't have to rush right now.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Okay, what about Christas perzingis? What's his status? Is this
the Boston Celtics kind of found a way right, big
turnover ten seconds ago, Jalen Brown hits contested three. What's
the status of Christas?
Speaker 8 (22:41):
I guess I need that dow. What is coach Gottlieb's
stance on fouling on threes? Is it automatic? Is it situational?
That was obviously all the talk to me last I mean,
it was not as easy to take a foul there
as advertised. And it's really split opinions throughout the NBA.
I mean, you got Lebron, who obviously has as much
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credibility as about small blind as anyone saying you absolutely
have to foul there.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But it was a catching, was a catch and shoot three.
It was an inbounds play. They stole the that the
inbounds was bawling out of bounds and it was a
catch and shoot three? Was it not?
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Yeah, like, how do you foul.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Again?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
How do you foul on a catch and shoot three?
I don't understand.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Well, I mean there was there was there was a
second of hesitation. I mean it was not instantaneous. But
I'm with you. I think it was very I think
it was a lot harder to foul in that that situation.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh yeah, no, I'm not so Okay, it's it's a
great question. Okay, So so let's let's break this down.
The rule is and again, I the first person I've
ever heard talk about time and actually the the the
data behind it was Brad Stevens back when he was
a butler, and he said, you know everything tells you
under seven seconds you fould. Now that's in college, okay, pros.
Obviously you can. You can advance guys of incredible skill
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usually under seven seconds. So you always foul up three, always, always.
Now you have to practice it as well, and usually
it's guy puts it on the on the ground and
you just go bump him, uh to where you know,
you bump him and you can even knock him over
and oh yeah, by the way, you can also tell
officials we're gonna foul, like, hey, we're gonna foul here,
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so that there's no there there's no conflict where they're
trying to think is it a flagrant is it not?
You know, a flagrant one or whatever. We're trying to foul,
and you have to teach players how to do it.
But on a catch and shoot. That's why you can't
do it when it's under two or under three, because
if you go to foul, they can just rise up
and shoot and get up and get get you know,
three free throws. Now, can you fake like you're gonna
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foul and freak a guy out? Potentially? Potentially you could,
but I don't think in that situation. The bigger issue
is how do you not get the ball in bounce?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
No, I'm totally with you, though, I mean, how do
I get.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
The ball in bounds? And this is where like.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Huh turn over along the left sideline when Haliburton lost
his handle and then the inbound pass, those were far
more egregious mistakes, yes, devastating mistakes. And it's interesting, you know,
Rick Carlile to full blame, which Rick is very good
at doing. I saw him do it in Dallas fifteen
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or twenty times over the year. Go to the podium
say it's all my fault. Not every coach in the
world does that. I'm sure his players appreciate that. But
look in the Dallas Oklahoma series, the Mavericks had a
similar fall from a head loss bounce back won the
last two games of that series, and I think it
shows you that in the NBA, teams suffer these devastating
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losses and then we just think they're never going to
recover mentally. I think in many cases NBA teams, NBA players,
they have the capacity to get over a blown opportunity
or a chokey finish and bounce back from it. But
this was such an opportunity for the Pacers. There's just
no way they should be losing that game with the
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situation they were in in the last minute. I mean,
multiple chances to put the game away, and I just
how they bounced back from that, and an opportunity to
just rock the whole league by putting Boston in a
one to zero hole. I mean, I'm you know, I'm dubious.
I guess is what I'm saying, uh.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Let let's let's let's talk some Mavericks. You know that
franchise better than just about any human on earth, right,
Like you've you have great insight into everything going on there. First,
Maxi Kleeber, are you gonna play?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
I don't think so. And look, it's too early to
write him off. You know, the series is just starting tonight.
But I mean that was a furious shoulder injury. I
mean I was courtsided when it happened, and his landing
was I mean I gasped, and you know, just it
was jarring to watch that thing in person. Can he
get back after missing only a couple weeks with that
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kind of should separation? Man, I mean, it's hard for
me to picture. They did sensationally well to beat Oklahoma
City without him because they really they really needed him
against Oklahoma City the way Chet spends so much time
outside and to be able to win that series without
him was quite a feather in the mass cap. But
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I just don't know that there's enough time to get
him back. They haven't completely ruled it out, but I
think there's a much better chance we see Porzingis than
Maxi Kleeba you know this.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's interesting because I feel like the Timberwolves were constructed
to take down the Nuggets, right, like just the size
across the front line and then the length Defensively, I
don't Obviously the matchup is very different with the way
that that Dallas plays. Obviously kleeber gives them the chance
to stretch you out even more. But it feels to
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me like the matchup is so different. We like to think, well,
Minnesota took down the Nuggets, so they should be the favorite,
but the reality is this is just such a completely
different matchup.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I think they have to be the favorite though, again,
because if you go to Denver and win three times,
I totally get what you're saying schematically, but if you're
good enough to go to Denver and win three times,
like you have to be the favorite in this series.
But can the Mavericks win this series? Yes, they can.
I mean Minnesota, we know that's the best defensive team
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in the league. They've been the best defensive team all
season long. And you know they've got McDaniel and Edwards
on the perimeter to throw at Luca and Kyrie. Whatever
the matchups are, so you know, I think they feel
pretty good about their ability to deal with Dallas. But
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you know where the Mavericks have just completely changed their
identity is on the defensive side of the ball. I
mean that cand half of the season the Mavericks were
an elite defensive team. In these playoffs, They've been an
elite defensive team in the line that I keep saying
is I mean you you kind of mentioned it. I've
been around this franchise for more than a quarter century.
In all that time, the Mavericks were always known for
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their offense, even in twenty eleven when they won it All,
and the big difference was adding Tyson Chandler. He was
the perfect five man compliments to Navitski. He gave them
a rim presence and a rim runner that they hadn't
had in the Naviski era. And it just he was
a perfect front court side kicked in Daviski. But even then,
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the Mavericks were known first and foremost as Dirk's team,
and Navitski probably the toughest single individual matchup in the
league for much of his career because you just didn't
see a seven foot floor spacer then like we see
it all day long now. The Mavericks have always been
known for their offense. This team, though even with Luca
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and Kyrie, they are defense first. They've won a number
of games in these playoffs, and with the Wolves being
offensively challenged as you suggested, Yeah, I mean the Mavericks
and win this series. Will they obviously tbd, But I
do think the Wolves deserve to start as the slightest
the favorites.
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Speaker 8 (30:38):
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to watch it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
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Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's The Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio welcome in Big Wednesday.
You know, Wednesday means Wednesday means it's some day, right,
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the Midway upcoming. In the meantime, let's get to Dan Byern.
Get a game. Dan.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Doug. The game today is for better or worse? All right.
This is where we give Doug two subjects and he
has to tell us which one is better or worse. Now,
this one is near and dear card. Yeah, this is
a This is a tough use, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
This is a very hard question.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
It's actually pretty easy for me because one of these
I think is the worst logo in the NBA. The
other one has they've they've chosen this one, but their
throwback one, I think is actually one of the best
logos we've seen than the NBA.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I mean, then you just gave it away. I mean,
that's that's the My question was go ahead, asked the question.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
That's the question for better or worse. Yeah, current Mavericks
logo versus current t Wolves logo. And the reason this
is a showdown is not because they're playing, but because
they both have blue basketballs for their background with their
animal in the foreground of their logos.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'm going to tell you in the current logos, I
actually like the t Wolves current logo. I know you
hate it.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
I just like the first one so much.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Like that. Yeah, that's fair, but that wasn't the question. Sure,
the question is which logo is better for going by
current logos. I actually like the t Wolves current logo.
I think it's fine. It's you know, dog Howling. It's
got the little North star in the basketball. I get it.
I kind of like it. The Mavericks throwback logo is awesome.
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And I don't really understand why you have to pay
you know, a company, you know, some five figure salary,
some five figure payment to get a logo which is
never going to be as cool as the logo you had.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I actually agree with all of that. And the logo
that I love the most is first Tee Wolves. I
would pick T Wolves in this matchup as well. And
I think this horse that Dallas uses right now instead
of the cowboy hat on the m that they had
previously used or you know, on the Dallas Mavericks' name,
this horse on this basketball just makes no sense to me. Like,
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isn't a Maverick a person like am I? Am I
wrong on that?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Now?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
And you have a horse, No, you're not wrong.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
That looks like it's almost winking at you in this
curved fashion that isn't even like horses don't even sit
this way. I actually think it's the worst logo in
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But the traditional Mavericks logo is magnificent.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yes, when you're thinking Mark Aguire Orlando Blackman, absolutely those
colors or yep, all right, for better or worse, Doug,
we're talking cities now, Dallas or Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Wow, Minneapolis, Minneapolis. Ah, Now here's what I've heard. First
of all, the there's a couple of things to it. Okay,
they both have great areas. Uh, Dallas just goes on
and on and let's just put another loop out there. Uh. Secondly,
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I'm actually friendly with Jacob Frey, who's there, who's the
uh the mayor of Minneapolis. He's hell of a guy.
I like him a great deal, but more than anything
like Dallas is just it's so big, it's so hot
in the summer. There really isn't anything to it. Whereas
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Minneapolis you got beautiful trails, incredible lakes. It's it. I
do know it's cold, old in the winter, but they
prepared for it where they have all those skywalks. If
you do get into downtown. I don't actually think it's
all that close.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
All right, doesn't this soup bag for a sub question?
Which city feels more neglected? St? Paul or Fort Worth?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh? Wow, that's a good one. Very I would say, where.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Was the rim shot on that one? Sam? Just kidding,
just kidding, I was from yesterday. Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
The one thing about Fort Worth is it's really far
from Dallas. It's really far. I mean things happen in Arlington.
I know they built up Arlington, but there's really nothing
in Arlington. Huh.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
I'm sorry, I just did it. I said more like
far Worth.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Far far like Oh my gosh, those things are far between.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Two, all right, Doug for better or worse, Boston versus
Indianapolis's cities.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
For for living.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
For an event, take it all into account.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Boston. Boston's awesome, historic, beautiful, The roadways are kind of cool,
indies again, amazing play, stories of family outside of downtown.
The arena is great. It's a great event city. But
I mean we're talking Boston. Boston's amazing, an amazing city.
Great food with the seafood.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Yeah, I think it's for better or worse Nascar fights
versus hockey fights.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Oh, hockey fights are way better Nascar fights. The random
thing about the NASCAR fights is like these just like
just dudes coming out of nowhere throwing haymakers.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
You don't even know what they're mad about. Sometimes, like
it's always like some guy clipped.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
All the same thing I got cut off.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Yeah, cut them off, Yeah, shaking baker cut me off,
all right. And finally, Doug, for better or worse finding
players versus finding opponents?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh, finding players is well it's better, yeah, better or worse? Well,
better to find players, all right, found me one yesterday.
Great talk.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And that's game time.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
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and direct, Green Bay, Wisconsin. And uh, you know, I
(00:47):
push back Jason on you last week when we were
talking about the Denver Nuggets choking, and I tried to
identify what I consider a show and if you missed it, basically,
play the last couple of minutes of the Indiana Pacers
game and you go, that's a choke, Like, wait a second.
(01:09):
The Nuggets were up twenty with ten minutes to go
in the third quarter, they end up getting blown out.
That's not a choke, but this is I you know, look,
we may be arguing semantics collapse. All the warts of
the Nuggets were on display, but when you have the
game and you have it pretty well, what you think
is salted away. Yikes, yikes. Here's Rick Carlole. He's the
(01:33):
head coach the Indiana Pacers. Remember Rick Carlole has been
the head coach of an NBA championship team with the
Dallas Mavericks back when they took down Lebron and the Heat.
That was in Lebron's first year.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
With the Heat.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But ye yo yo yo yo, yui. What a mess
that this thing was. I mean, just a mess. Here's
Carlos after the game.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
This loss is totally on me. With ten seconds in regulation,
we should have just taken the timeout, advanced the ball
and found a way to get it in and made
a free thrower too, and ended the game. But it
didn't happen, and we made some other mistakes. But our
guys just need to concentrate on fighting the way they
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fought in this game from start to finish, and we'll
be back Thursday.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Well, look, you're up five, and then you're up too
and Jalen Jalen Brown makes two free throws, you're up one.
Then you go up too on an Andrew Deamhart bucket.
You know, a step back. You have the ball with
ten seconds to go up three. All you have to
do is get the ball in chin the basketball. Remember
in the NBA, and I'll just point this out, the
(02:45):
NBA's free throw rules the end of the games have
to change, Like, what do you mean? Okay, So the
lane line is wider in the NBA than in any
other part of basketball. The three point line is deeper.
You only get eight seconds to get across mid court,
whereas in college, for example, or high school. You know,
(03:06):
you gotta talk about the ten second rule. Okay, So
all of these rules, twenty four second shot clock is
the shortest of the shot clocks. Right. All of these
rules are designed designed because you have the best players
in the world. Well, the best player in the world
should be able to make it one to one, and
yet they get two shots, but to not be able
(03:26):
to get the ball in bounds or hold onto the
basketball to turn that thing over. Yikes, yikes, yikes. Ten
seconds ago up three with the ball with a one
plus one, which is a two shot penalty. That game
should be absolutely over salted away. There's just not enough
time if you make one of the free throws to
(03:50):
lose that game. But they did. And when you perform
worse in key situations because of the pressure of the moment,
it feels like it that's a joke. Here's time RhE
Haliburton on the lessons learned from losing.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I mean, we know we can play with these guys.
I mean, that's for y'all to say that we don't.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
You know, there's a lot of people are here saying
we don't belong here.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
We don't really care. We know we belong here. Is
Jalen Brown, who made an incredible game tying three with
six seconds to go. Talk about that make at the
end of regulation, Jaylor.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
You talked to Lisa Salters also after the game about
the three that you made, and we're looking at a
shot of it right now in terms of the execution,
the thought process, and the confidence that that play is
gonna work when you need it in that situation.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, we've we've walked through that. I've gone through that,
done reps, and I think we just executed it perfectly.
I thought I got foult on this shot on the
way up. But now was great execution and great play.
Call about Joe, great screen by d Wait and great
pass from Drew.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah. So it's it's called a wrap a rap play
where you come off of the screen and then you
wrap around and as your man kind of hugs onto you,
then it's almost becomes a double screen on the initial screener.
So you know, I like that. I call that like
a trapezoid rap. But the point is was a good play.
He probably did get fouled, he did make the three,
(05:10):
but it should all be a moodpoint. Shall be a moodpoint.
At that point in the game, there should have been
seven or eight seconds left to go, and the Pacers
should have been up four or five points, and even
that three, which the Celtics got to throw it in
to get it, even that three, that three shouldn't have
really affected the game. Then of course the Pacers get
(05:30):
the ball of the net, throw it in quick, get
get fouled, make two free throws, and then of course
there's like a length of the court heave and the
Celtics lose. Instead, it's the Celtics that win, and you know,
I want to be very cautious of not doing the
hot take thing that because the Pacers lost, they have
no chance of winning the series. They wouldn't have been
(05:52):
able to play so well against the Celtics the entire
game if they had a chance, they didn't have a
chance to win the series. But those opportunities or those
opportunities go away really really quick, and game one is
usually a game that you can steal, and they are
still playing about without Christas Perzingis now. I always feel
if you're the Celtics, obviously you want to go up
two games to none, but the you gotta try and
(06:16):
get Perzingis in during the series because it's really hard
for a guy to not play and then if you
win the series, not play and then play in the
NBA Finals. The level of intensity is just too difficult
to catch up to. On the other hand, you could
definitely you could see him coming back and playing early
(06:37):
and h and maybe you know, look, he played great
at start of the year and they didn't play much
in the preseason, so what do I know? But that
type of loss is devastating. Those are the ones that
make these guys look like old men. Those are the
ones that make coach where they just don't even feel
pain anymore because they's taken such a pummeling in the media.
(07:02):
You're up three with the ball ten seconds ago and
you don't get in bounds, you kind of deserve to lose,
kind of deserved to lose. Yeah, Sammy, go ahead, Oh
danism Dan go ahead, buddy.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Yeah. I don't think that the Pacers choked. I think
that the Pacers gave it away. And I think that
there's a big difference, Like not being able to get
the ball, you know, inbounds is not a sign of
you know, of succumbing to the pressure. It's a sign
of what the Pacers have had problems with. You saw
it throughout the game. Ball handling. How many I mean
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it felt like more than on one occasion. Tyre's Halliburton,
for as great as he is, just completely loses the
ball out of bounds. I think even in that final
minute sequence in the the it was in regulation or
in overtime. But like, this is the stuff that the
Pacers do which makes you so you know, infuriated if
you're a Pacers fan, because they can look so good
(08:01):
in play so well at times and then it's stuff
like this that they can't handle. And I appreciate Rick
Carlile saying what he said, and he's right, they did
have a timeout. I got a Mark Diagno's case on
Saturday for how he used his I get on Carlisle
for not using that one or telling them hard to
use the timeout. If you can't get it inbounds, grant,
it's still up three, you have to play defense. And
(08:23):
somehow they let Jaylen Brown get a shot off in
the corner. But like, none of that to me is choking.
It's giving a game away. Choking is sorry Nick Anderson,
but that's choking. You know, ninety five NBA Finals missing
four free throws in a row. That's choking. So coming
to the pressure, I just think that the Pacers did
(08:45):
stuff that they seem to do when they get in
these tight games, in tight situations.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But isn't that okay? You and I are talking. I
understand what you're geting. I actually do. There's a fine
line between king and maybe I don't know if the
term is being soft or unable to be disciplined or
lacking the experience of closing, But I would be honest
and I also say like part of it is that
pressure that was cranked up by that building, by that team. Yeah,
(09:15):
you know, I'm okay if you say, okay, it was
giving it away. Whatever it was, it's not good and
it's really hard to come back from it just is
you know, whereas like a thirty point beat down for
whatever reason, it doesn't feel like that hard to come
back from, like like.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
We just lost.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's over a bad day where Okay, we had the lead,
we fought and we had it won. And then to
use your words, and I agree with we gave it away.
That one feels like it hurts a lot more and
it has more resonance because you get to that point
and now, okay, do I get conservative? You know? Now
do I get overly aggressive? How do how do I
(09:53):
make that work? Doug otlab Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's a good point, Dan, and I'm willing to willing
to admit that I could rethink. I do think that
when you can't get the ball in bounds and you're
a good passer and you like there's a little choking
to it. But also giving it away is a is
a is a accurate depiction of what took place.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
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Speaker 1 (10:25):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in or live
at the tyret dot Com studios. Hey, there's a there's
an interesting back and forth there Lebron James and JJ
Reddick talking about talking on his podcast and he was
talking about Caitlin Clark. Whan the truth is that this
cut was about Caitlin Clark and Lebron saying, hey, look,
(10:48):
I've I've been through what Caitlin. And he actually said
something that Jay stew You've been saying, which I agree with,
which is, you know, so many of these women in
the WNBA seem very bothered by Caitlyn Clark. But the
shine that she's going to bring, the attention she's going
to bring is dollars, which is gonna make them all dollars.
And I do think that Lebron's business sense understands. But
(11:11):
take a listen to what Lebron James said.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
The one thing that I love that she's bringing to
her sport, more people want to watch, more people want
to tune in, don't get it twisted, don't get it up.
Kaitlan Clark is the reason why a lot of great
things is going to happen for the WNBA, But for
her individually, I don't think she should get involved on
nothing that's being said.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Just go have fun and enjoy, you know.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
But I'm rude for Kaitlin because I've been in that
seat before, I've walked that road before. I hope they
I hope she kills I hopefully at Boston does amazing,
you know.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
I hope they do great.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
And I'm just kind of in this mold right now
because I'm getting the same, you know thing from watching
my son, who's a nineteen year old, kind of getting
a lot of animosity and hatred towards him when he's
just a kid trying to live out his dream. You know,
there's a very small number of men and women that
actually get to live out their dream of playing the
(12:10):
professional sport, and we have grown ass men and women
out here doing whatever they can to try to make
sure that does not happen.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
That is the weirdest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Okay, So there's there. Let's there's a lot to unpack.
There so let's do that. Okay, let's let's let's unpack.
Matter of fact, watch watch this. This is my own book.
This is and that's unpacked. Do you like that, Sam,
I have I provide my own sound effects.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I appreciate.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah. So the first part lebron is dead on accurate,
which is that she has brought more attention to the
women's game than anyone previously, probably four x right, four
x of what anyone anyone has ever And there have
been great, great players, Aliah Boston one of them. But
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the fact is that mainstream America just didn't care, doesn't
care still really if you look at the numbers and
they're low, but when Caitlin plays, they're outstanding. So that part,
he's like, look, why are is anybody taking shots at
her who plays in the league when she is going
(13:23):
to make all of you lots of money? Brilliant? But
then he says, he says, there are grown men who
are trying to stop Bronnie James from accomplishing his dream.
Who I would love to know who he's talking about,
because I saw today where now Brownie is ranked the
(13:46):
fifty sixth best prospect, which is not accurate. It's just not.
I mean, I am now a Division one head coach.
He is not a recruitable athlete, so I can in
fact comment on him and tell you that I don't
believe he would be my best player right now with
my roster. I don't. I think he be a good player.
(14:10):
I'd like to have him, and part of my desire
for him to go to college is I think his
best basketball is still ahead of him. I would agree
with Lebron if that's what he said. But who are
the people who are trying to stop him from accomplishing
his dream? Who would that be? Because I don't think
(14:32):
anybody's stopped trying to stop him. I'm simply trying to
tell him what the reasonable expectations are and who he
is as a player. Right, would anyone draft Bronnie James
if he wasn't Bronnie James? No? No, Well, the Lakers
draft Ronnie James. Probably. They may not have to, but probably.
(14:55):
And I'm not even something that somebody that says like
there's something nefarious at play here. This happens. Giannis has
two brothers have been the NBA, and neither could play
dead to Cowboy movie. I just think that you want
to talk about your dream, like, look, the way to
get there, by my estimation, is go do the work.
(15:16):
You got to get some live reps. And he's obviously
going to get them in the G League. But dude,
what who? I just this this victim mentality. And it's
interesting the flip that Lebron makes where he's comparing Caitlyn Clark,
who scored more points than anybody in the history of
women's basketball, who went to two straight NCAA Championship games,
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who's the National Player of the year, who's an iconic.
He's comparing his son's plight to that of Caitlin Clark
and Leah Boston others. And I've always been understanding of
this because you know, his analysis of his son is
blinded by love. I get it. I got a son.
I love him more than the moon, the stars, the sun,
(16:02):
everything in my life. I completely get that. But who
are these imaginary people who are trying to keep your
son from accomplishing his dream? Nobody Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio, coming to you from the tyreq dot com studios.
Let's welcome in. He's Mark Stein. He's got the steinline
(16:24):
on substack, He's got the podcast called This League Uncut
with fellow insider Chris Haynes. Of course you can find
it wherever you have fine, fine podcasts. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. And let's
start with Bronnie James. So the quote from lebron on
his podcas on JJ's podcast was, you got grown men
(16:47):
trying to keep my nineteen year old son from accomplishing
his dream. Who's trying to keep the Bronnie James from
accomplishing his dream?
Speaker 8 (16:58):
Look, I think what he really means is the volume
on noise in twenty twenty four is a lot louder
than when Doug Gottlieb was nineteen, certainly a lot louder
than when I was nineteen. I mean, and I I
do think there is something to it. I don't think
(17:19):
he really means that there are people trying to stop him?
But are there people rooting for him to fail? I mean,
I you know, I'm sure from a fatherly perspective, they
probably feel that way. And look, Caitlin Clark has been
subjected becomes the criticism. I think that was something else
(17:39):
he referenced, and you know you can see it. I
mean it's like, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But but there's a difference between Caitlin Clark and Brian James.
Right one is the most accomplished female basketball player you know, arguably.
Speaker 8 (17:56):
Question, but I think but the common I think the
I think the common he made. And look, I'm probably
making a mistake here trying to jump into his head
and speak for Lebron because I certainly can't. I certainly
haven't talked to him about it. But just the noise
that greets any of these storylines in twenty twenty four,
(18:16):
it does get pretty loud. And look, there's no question
has Bronnie James does he have some advantages because of
who his father is. I don't think there's any question
about it, But I think there are some you know,
there are some instances where people around the NBA look
at it and say, man, it must be tough to
be Lebron's son and try to make your own way
(18:38):
into the NBA when you have this kind of spotlight
on you.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Fair enough, s Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader,
that's Mark Stein.
Speaker 8 (18:46):
I was gonna ask, I was gonna I wanted to
start by asking you a question, so save me thirty
seconds at the end.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
To ask you want no, just ask right now, We're good.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Is cal State Fortune going to be on the Green
Bay non conference schedule?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
You haven't called. Honestly, I haven't called Dietrich and and
this is full candor, Okay. I I'd love to get
out there and play in Orange County. I owe him
a call because i'd like I need it. I need
a couple of home games.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
So I think, yeah, well, I mean we get if
we can get that, we'll go there first. But let's
get we need to get a home and home on
the schedule.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Well that that we can home and home we can do.
But we just got to start the home and home
here in the home of the Phoenix. So if you're
negotiating this deal, if you want to text Dietrich, if
you want to play middleman in this, feel free like
you're good. I would. I would love to do that.
I would love to get out to the o C
and see see all the folks.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
I do as just like I said with Lebron, I
have zero authorization to be negotiating on coach Taylor's behalf,
but just from a sure selfish perspective, I would love
to see. I love to see the Titans going up
against coach Scottlieb and then in a non conference game
or two. That would I would enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
That would that would be That would be a lot
of fun. That would be a lot of fun in
Titan Jim, a place I saw the eighty four Olympic
team play an exhibition game, and of course the great
Leon Wood played there in a place that we used
to play pickup ball with Bruce Bowen when he come
back from the Spurs every every summer. Mark Stein joining
us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
(20:19):
All right, speaking of my kind of plight, right, no coaching,
no college coaching experience, now at college head coach. Where
are we with Jj and the Lakers.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
I don't think this thing's going to move as fast
as people would like, because you know, I think we've
discussed this already.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Know.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
JJ Reddick obviously has a day job calling games for ESPN,
and you know he came in at mid season to
join their A team, replacing Doc Rivers. I think ESPN
always knew Doc Rivers was going to go back to coaching,
but I don't think they did it to happen halfway
(20:58):
through year one, and so after having to deal with
Doc's departure, adding JJ Reddick the eight team certainly ESBN
is going to want j. J Reddick to finish out
the season get them through the finals. I mean doesn't
mean the sides couldn't come to some sort of agreement
sooner if jj Reddick is indeed the coach that the
(21:19):
Lakers choose, but it does, you know, I think it
does give the Lakers time, and at this point as
we speak, the Lakers aren't competing with anyone else. Washington
has its coaching opening technically, but I think most people
around the league expect Brian Keith, the interim coach, to
get that job. And to this point, I don't think
the Wizards are looking at the same coaching candidates that
(21:41):
the Lakers are. Now we keep hearing rumblings about Cleveland,
and if they decide to make a coaching change and
replace JB. Vickerstaff inceivably Cleveland and the Lakers could be
vying for some of the same candidates. But at the
top of the Lakers board right now it is JJ
Reddick and Sam Cassell and James Barrego in some order.
(22:04):
Only the Lakers truly know, but those are the three
main guys they're focusing on. The Lakers are talking to
other candidates as well, assistant coach, you know, assistant coaches
from various teams in the league. But I do think
the Lakers want to, you know, run out all the
ground balls here and take their time and again they
they don't have to rush right now.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Okay, what about Christas perzingis? What's his status? Is this
the Boston Celtics kind of found a way right, big
turnover ten seconds ago, Jalen Brown hits contested three. What's
the status of Christas?
Speaker 8 (22:41):
I guess I need that dow. What is coach Gottlieb's
stance on fouling on threes? Is it automatic? Is it situational?
That was obviously all the talk to me last I mean,
it was not as easy to take a foul there
as advertised. And it's really split opinions throughout the NBA.
I mean, you got Lebron, who obviously has as much
(23:03):
credibility as about small blind as anyone saying you absolutely
have to foul there.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
But it was a catching, was a catch and shoot three.
It was an inbounds play. They stole the that the
inbounds was bawling out of bounds and it was a
catch and shoot three? Was it not?
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Yeah, like, how do you foul.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It?
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Again?
Speaker 1 (23:22):
How do you foul on a catch and shoot three?
I don't understand.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Well, I mean there was there was there was a
second of hesitation. I mean it was not instantaneous. But
I'm with you. I think it was very I think
it was a lot harder to foul in that that situation.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Oh yeah, no, I'm not so Okay, it's it's a
great question. Okay, So so let's let's break this down.
The rule is and again, I the first person I've
ever heard talk about time and actually the the the
data behind it was Brad Stevens back when he was
a butler, and he said, you know everything tells you
under seven seconds you fould. Now that's in college, okay, pros.
Obviously you can. You can advance guys of incredible skill
(24:00):
usually under seven seconds. So you always foul up three, always, always.
Now you have to practice it as well, and usually
it's guy puts it on the on the ground and
you just go bump him, uh to where you know,
you bump him and you can even knock him over
and oh yeah, by the way, you can also tell
officials we're gonna foul, like, hey, we're gonna foul here,
(24:20):
so that there's no there there's no conflict where they're
trying to think is it a flagrant is it not?
You know, a flagrant one or whatever. We're trying to foul,
and you have to teach players how to do it.
But on a catch and shoot. That's why you can't
do it when it's under two or under three, because
if you go to foul, they can just rise up
and shoot and get up and get get you know,
three free throws. Now, can you fake like you're gonna
(24:42):
foul and freak a guy out? Potentially? Potentially you could,
but I don't think in that situation. The bigger issue
is how do you not get the ball in bounce?
Speaker 8 (24:50):
No, I'm totally with you, though, I mean, how do
I get.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
The ball in bounds? And this is where like.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
Huh turn over along the left sideline when Haliburton lost
his handle and then the inbound pass, those were far
more egregious mistakes, yes, devastating mistakes. And it's interesting, you know,
Rick Carlile to full blame, which Rick is very good
at doing. I saw him do it in Dallas fifteen
(25:16):
or twenty times over the year. Go to the podium
say it's all my fault. Not every coach in the
world does that. I'm sure his players appreciate that. But
look in the Dallas Oklahoma series, the Mavericks had a
similar fall from a head loss bounce back won the
last two games of that series, and I think it
shows you that in the NBA, teams suffer these devastating
(25:40):
losses and then we just think they're never going to
recover mentally. I think in many cases NBA teams, NBA players,
they have the capacity to get over a blown opportunity
or a chokey finish and bounce back from it. But
this was such an opportunity for the Pacers. There's just
no way they should be losing that game with the
(26:03):
situation they were in in the last minute. I mean,
multiple chances to put the game away, and I just
how they bounced back from that, and an opportunity to
just rock the whole league by putting Boston in a
one to zero hole. I mean, I'm you know, I'm dubious.
I guess is what I'm saying, uh.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Let let's let's let's talk some Mavericks. You know that
franchise better than just about any human on earth, right,
Like you've you have great insight into everything going on there. First,
Maxi Kleeber, are you gonna play?
Speaker 8 (26:36):
I don't think so. And look, it's too early to
write him off. You know, the series is just starting tonight.
But I mean that was a furious shoulder injury. I
mean I was courtsided when it happened, and his landing
was I mean I gasped, and you know, just it
was jarring to watch that thing in person. Can he
get back after missing only a couple weeks with that
(26:59):
kind of should separation? Man, I mean, it's hard for
me to picture. They did sensationally well to beat Oklahoma
City without him because they really they really needed him
against Oklahoma City the way Chet spends so much time
outside and to be able to win that series without
him was quite a feather in the mass cap. But
(27:21):
I just don't know that there's enough time to get
him back. They haven't completely ruled it out, but I
think there's a much better chance we see Porzingis than
Maxi Kleeba you know this.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It's interesting because I feel like the Timberwolves were constructed
to take down the Nuggets, right, like just the size
across the front line and then the length Defensively, I
don't Obviously the matchup is very different with the way
that that Dallas plays. Obviously kleeber gives them the chance
to stretch you out even more. But it feels to
(27:52):
me like the matchup is so different. We like to think, well,
Minnesota took down the Nuggets, so they should be the favorite,
but the reality is this is just such a completely
different matchup.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
I think they have to be the favorite though, again,
because if you go to Denver and win three times,
I totally get what you're saying schematically, but if you're
good enough to go to Denver and win three times,
like you have to be the favorite in this series.
But can the Mavericks win this series? Yes, they can.
I mean Minnesota, we know that's the best defensive team
(28:23):
in the league. They've been the best defensive team all
season long. And you know they've got McDaniel and Edwards
on the perimeter to throw at Luca and Kyrie. Whatever
the matchups are, so you know, I think they feel
pretty good about their ability to deal with Dallas. But
(28:43):
you know where the Mavericks have just completely changed their
identity is on the defensive side of the ball. I
mean that cand half of the season the Mavericks were
an elite defensive team. In these playoffs, They've been an
elite defensive team in the line that I keep saying
is I mean you you kind of mentioned it. I've
been around this franchise for more than a quarter century.
In all that time, the Mavericks were always known for
(29:07):
their offense, even in twenty eleven when they won it All,
and the big difference was adding Tyson Chandler. He was
the perfect five man compliments to Navitski. He gave them
a rim presence and a rim runner that they hadn't
had in the Naviski era. And it just he was
a perfect front court side kicked in Daviski. But even then,
(29:29):
the Mavericks were known first and foremost as Dirk's team,
and Navitski probably the toughest single individual matchup in the
league for much of his career because you just didn't
see a seven foot floor spacer then like we see
it all day long now. The Mavericks have always been
known for their offense. This team, though even with Luca
(29:51):
and Kyrie, they are defense first. They've won a number
of games in these playoffs, and with the Wolves being
offensively challenged as you suggested, Yeah, I mean the Mavericks
and win this series. Will they obviously tbd, But I
do think the Wolves deserve to start as the slightest
the favorites.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
The podcast is called This League and cut Ian fellow
insider Chris Haynes.
Speaker 9 (30:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You can download that that podcast reebew to get podcasts,
and remember to read a substact called the Steinline Stein.
The stein Line mark Stein Steiny. I'll uh, here's what
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna call Dietrich during the break.
I'll let you know.
Speaker 8 (30:29):
What's up, Coach DT, and let me know how it
goes if I can help.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I'm all right, Mark Stein, we'll call it the Mark
Stein Invitational. Well, uh, well, I will you.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
Know what if that happened, I'm coming to Green Bay
to watch it.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (30:50):
It's The Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio welcome in Big Wednesday.
You know, Wednesday means Wednesday means it's some day, right,
hump Day means it's the Midway. The Midway is up coming,
top of the hour. I don't think you want to
miss it, because it appears, it appears that inside the
NBA is going away. They got one more year of
(31:11):
the TNT deal. But we're gonna talk about that in
the Midway upcoming. In the meantime, let's get to Dan Byern.
Get a game. Dan.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Doug. The game today is for better or worse? All right.
This is where we give Doug two subjects and he
has to tell us which one is better or worse. Now,
this one is near and dear card. Yeah, this is
a This is a tough use, Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
This is a very hard question.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
It's actually pretty easy for me because one of these
I think is the worst logo in the NBA. The
other one has they've they've chosen this one, but their
throwback one, I think is actually one of the best
logos we've seen than the NBA.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I mean, then you just gave it away. I mean,
that's that's the My question was go ahead, asked the question.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
That's the question for better or worse. Yeah, current Mavericks
logo versus current t Wolves logo. And the reason this
is a showdown is not because they're playing, but because
they both have blue basketballs for their background with their
animal in the foreground of their logos.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'm going to tell you in the current logos, I
actually like the t Wolves current logo. I know you
hate it.
Speaker 6 (32:27):
I just like the first one so much.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Like that. Yeah, that's fair, but that wasn't the question. Sure,
the question is which logo is better for going by
current logos. I actually like the t Wolves current logo.
I think it's fine. It's you know, dog Howling. It's
got the little North star in the basketball. I get it.
I kind of like it. The Mavericks throwback logo is awesome.
(32:50):
And I don't really understand why you have to pay
you know, a company, you know, some five figure salary,
some five figure payment to get a logo which is
never going to be as cool as the logo you had.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
I actually agree with all of that. And the logo
that I love the most is first Tee Wolves. I
would pick T Wolves in this matchup as well. And
I think this horse that Dallas uses right now instead
of the cowboy hat on the m that they had
previously used or you know, on the Dallas Mavericks' name,
this horse on this basketball just makes no sense to me. Like,
(33:30):
isn't a Maverick a person like am I? Am I
wrong on that?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Now?
Speaker 6 (33:34):
And you have a horse, No, you're not wrong.
Speaker 9 (33:36):
That looks like it's almost winking at you in this
curved fashion that isn't even like horses don't even sit
this way. I actually think it's the worst logo in
the NBA.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
But the traditional Mavericks logo is magnificent.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yes, when you're thinking Mark Aguire Orlando Blackman, absolutely those
colors or yep, all right, for better or worse, Doug,
we're talking cities now, Dallas or Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Wow, Minneapolis, Minneapolis. Ah, Now here's what I've heard. First
of all, the there's a couple of things to it. Okay,
they both have great areas. Uh, Dallas just goes on
and on and let's just put another loop out there. Uh. Secondly,
(34:32):
I'm actually friendly with Jacob Frey, who's there, who's the
uh the mayor of Minneapolis. He's hell of a guy.
I like him a great deal, but more than anything
like Dallas is just it's so big, it's so hot
in the summer. There really isn't anything to it. Whereas
(34:53):
Minneapolis you got beautiful trails, incredible lakes. It's it. I
do know it's cold, old in the winter, but they
prepared for it where they have all those skywalks. If
you do get into downtown. I don't actually think it's
all that close.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
All right, doesn't this soup bag for a sub question?
Which city feels more neglected? St? Paul or Fort Worth?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh? Wow, that's a good one. Very I would say, where.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Was the rim shot on that one? Sam? Just kidding,
just kidding, I was from yesterday. Oh okay.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
The one thing about Fort Worth is it's really far
from Dallas. It's really far. I mean things happen in Arlington.
I know they built up Arlington, but there's really nothing
in Arlington. Huh.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
I'm sorry, I just did it. I said more like
far Worth.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Far far like Oh my gosh, those things are far between.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Two, all right, Doug for better or worse, Boston versus
Indianapolis's cities.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
For for living.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
For an event, take it all into account.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Boston. Boston's awesome, historic, beautiful, The roadways are kind of cool,
indies again, amazing play, stories of family outside of downtown.
The arena is great. It's a great event city. But
I mean we're talking Boston. Boston's amazing, an amazing city.
Great food with the seafood.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
Yeah, I think it's for better or worse Nascar fights
versus hockey fights.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Oh, hockey fights are way better Nascar fights. The random
thing about the NASCAR fights is like these just like
just dudes coming out of nowhere throwing haymakers.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
You don't even know what they're mad about. Sometimes, like
it's always like some guy clipped.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
All the same thing I got cut off.
Speaker 6 (36:43):
Yeah, cut them off, Yeah, shaking baker cut me off,
all right. And finally, Doug, for better or worse finding
players versus finding opponents?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh, finding players is well it's better, yeah, better or worse? Well,
better to find players, all right, found me one yesterday.
Great talk.
Speaker 6 (37:04):
And that's game time.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Show, Gottleep Show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right.
Coming up next on The Doug Gotlieb Show, Life from
the Tirek dot Com Studios. So, uh, we're gonna have
one more year of Inside the NBA. What's the next
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