May 14, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug explains what makes the Pacers different from the other NBA teams and offers up a theory on how they have been able to make it to the Eastern Conference Finals two years in a row. Doug previews game five of the Celtics-Knicks series before welcoming in long-time basketball coach Max Good to give his thoughts on the Celtics now playing without star Jayson Tatum. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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of the show, which drops live right after this year
radio show concludes. Welcome in. The Indiana Pacers are the
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first team to qualify for the excuse say, second team
right to qualify for the conference finals. You got Minnesota, Minnesota.
Wait to Minnesota qualify yet?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Wait, they got one more game to wins. My bad. Okay,
so it feels like it's over because Steph Curry's not
playing and because of how it felt like Jimmy Butler
kind of quit. But the Indiana Pacers move on. The
Oklahoma City Thunder retake a commanding three games to two
lead over the Denver Nuggets. That one moves to Denver
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for Game six. The Knicks will try and eliminate the Celtics. Tonight,
they're underdogs in Boston, up three games to one. Jason Tatum,
we had no word on the extent of the injury,
and then he had achilles ten in surgery, so we're like, oh,
guess he towards Achilles ten and and then of course
he got Minnesota and Golden State, which again nuts tonight
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feels like a formality, but it is not until it
actually strikes Zeros. I think the PACER's story is an
interesting one, right, Like I'll just take it to my
life for an example. And one of my friends in coaching,
for a mentor of mine is Chris Beard, who's head
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coach at OMISS, and he was he's always encouraged me
to take a head coaching job, and his big thing
was like, look, the line you need to use is
for any of these programs is if you want the
same result, try it the same way. If you want
a different result, you got to try it a little differently.
And I was talking to another buddy of mine who
was applying for was a finalist for a head coaching job,
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and he's like, hey, my I was like, well, what
would you do to differentiate yourself? We'd play crazy fast
and shoot a ton of threes. And we feel like
at this level, with our lack of money, we got
to be different than everybody else. We got to play differently.
And I think the pacers, I think they do that
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they play differently, that they don't have a superstar talent.
They don't. I think tyres Halburton is a tremendous player,
and I think the overrated mantra that follows him, because
that's what he was voted by by NBA players, is
just a one they don't respect him, and two, most importantly,
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I think they just think he runs his mouth too much,
considering he hasn't done enough in the playoffs. That's again,
that's not me saying it. It's my guess of why
he was voted as such, because I didn't know he
was super highly rated. I didn't know that actually happened.
So it just feels like that's their way of saying
I don't like that guy. That's really I don't like
that guy. So this is what I'm gonna do. But
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he's been amazing and they just smoked the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Here's Hal Burton talking about their team style.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
We're different than every other team in the NBA. You know,
we don't just have one guy who scores all the
points or you know, we we I think we defeat
teams in different ways. We move the ball, the balls playing.
I got a lot of different guys making shots, making plays,
and we've preached our depth all, you know, for the
last couple of years, and you know it's paying off now.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So uh yeah, I I I think they're trying to
do something a different way, and I think they're accomplishing
that task. Here's how Burton talking about the Pacers being
in the conference finals for a second straight year.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
We're not done. We still got, you know, ways to go.
But it's a special feeling, man. And you know, watching
the lottery last night, I remember being at the being
representative at the lottery a couple of years ago and
uh not wanting moon, you know, to go back. So
it's a special, man. This group is special.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it is. It is. It's incredibly special, unbelievably special
to see this and to see a team that We
think of the NBA as two stars or three stars
in every team in order to accomplish the task, and
here there's not. And they have Ritt Carlisle, who's a
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widely regarded as an amazing offensive coach. Go back to
his days obviously in Dallas, and what he's put together
is pretty special. But he says the job is not done.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Look, we're talking about eight more wins for an NBA championship.
You know, the league is is wide open this year.
I mean there are a lot of there are a
lot of great teams, but it's it's wide open and
we've just got to keep believing.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Hmm. Yeah, there's still eight games. That's a long eight
games away. Now, they're very likely to run the benefit
of playing the Knicks, not the Celtics. And even though
the Knicks are healthy and the Celtics are not, and
the Knicks, it's going to be a snake pit to
go into New York. There's a lot of history there
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with Indiana and the Knicks. Again, I think it's a
blood bath of a series. The point is you're not
going against the defending champions, and the best team in
the Celtics gives you a better chance of competing and
winning no matter how hot the Knicks are, no matter
how well the Knicks are playing, and you're going against
the cod which that traditionally wants to grind it out players,
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players shortened his bench, play them longer minutes against a
team that wants to play more guys fewer minutes and
win with their depth. And it's going to be a
fascinating series again if they match up with the Knicks.
But I think just more than anything, it's the idea of, hey,
you when you're not the Lakers, when you're not the Celtics,
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when you're not one of those Marquis franchises, or somebody
that has drafted a Victor Webbin Yamo or Kobe Bryant
or Tim Duncan or you know you, Steph Curry doesn't
develop under your watch, doesn't become the greatest shooter we've
ever seen, all those things. You have to be different.
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And what happens is my guess is teams will start
to copy that style.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The lame says, well, moneyball didn't work. That's that's not true.
They didn't win a World Series with it. They've they
had incredible success with virtually no financial investment from a franchise.
And oh yeah, by the way, while it may not
have worked to winning or getting to a World Series
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with the A's, it did with the Diamondbacks. I mean
it seems to be it did with the with the Rays.
It's the same. It's the same model, and how many
teams copy that model and many of them had success
with it? You know, the wildcat formation, which frankly is
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partially old single wing, So it's actually kind of going
back to how people used to play something back in
the day, but the like, did it work long term
with the Dolphins?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But has it lasted in football? Yeah, it's still a
part of people's packages. They find a way to play
eleven on eleven football and snap them directly to one
of their best runners or wide receivers, and now of
a sudden that you're blocking becomes easier and tackling becomes harder.
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But it started with a high school coach who is
an offensive coordinator at Arkansas. Then he later obviously Gus
mals On became a head coach still is now, But
the point is that he brought something that people used
to do and then did it differently in college football,
than anybody else, and somebody picked up on in the
NFL and started using it and it spread. That's what
this is. So I think there's something subtle and different,
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and it's a great lesson for so many of us,
even people like me who do a radio show forget
about my basketball team. Can you do it a little
bit differently than somebody else? And it won't always be
it won't always work, it won't always be well regarded.
But if you try and do this same thing the
same way with lesser resources than somebody else, what do
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you think you know what's gonna happen. You're forever going
to be behind the same product that has better resources.
That's just that's just how it works. So again, maybe
I'm taking this to mean too much. Maybe I'm taking
because usually again, like what Calhurt has always done, he
uses business metaphors for metaphors in sports, for to metaphor
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for sports. Sure, I'm using one in sports to metaphor
for business or for life. If you want the same outcome,
try the same thing. The Pacers have tried it different
and they're getting better results than traditionally you would get.
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the Northeast, and Vegas will join us in I think
five minutes, and he's basically like a roving Celtics correspondent.
Get his thoughts. But the Nicks play the Celtics night
and the Celtics are favored by four and a half,
and this is one of those you're like, well, Jason
Tatum had forty two. If you take forty two points
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away from the Celtics last game and they got beat,
they have no chance. Here's here's my thought. Like I
think Peyton Pritchard's awesome. I think one of the tough
things that people don't understand about the NBA is that
even if their minutes are sort of the same numerically,
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the difference in six man and starter is gigantic. Jamal
Crawford is a six man, tremendous. Jamal Crawford is a starter,
not particularly good. The sixth man usually doesn't have to
match up with the starting point guard or the starting
goal guard if he's a guard. The sixth man just
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has the responsibility of changing the tempo of the game,
change how the game feels. It's a very different. It's
a lot like backup quarterback is not like the guy
who's waiting and prepping to go in backup quarterback is
you have to prep and get better and all those
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other things. But really you're just there to make this
sure the starter is at his best six man. Especially
if you're a guard, you're guarding the other team's backup guard.
You're not guarding the other team's starting guard. What does
that do it hot Usually you have a deficiency and
that's why you're not a starter. Again, when you say deficiency,
be like, oh, you're talking Like no, it's just the
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reality of it. And so I bring it up because
you would think that Peyton Pritcher will play bigger minutes,
or maybe it's true Holiday plays bigger minutes. And my
point would be that Peyton Pritchard is in the perfect role.
He's six man, comes off, scores, changes the tempo, whatever.
But if he has to play, you know, thirty eight minutes,
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you can't pro rate those stats because you don't realize
that the more he plays, the more his deficiencies. Probably
on the defensive end. My guess he's not really a
shot creator than for himself. Those become more pronounced as well.
But I like this line, and I still like the
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Celtics tonight, just because of the immediate bounce back one.
They do shoot a lot of threes, which whether you
have superior in for your talent, it can give you
a bit of an outlier of a result. But remember
Game one, Game two, they were up twenty on the Knicks.
Game three they were up thirty on the Knicks and
actually won the game. So it's not like the talent
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is all that close. I think the Celtics Brett aren't good.
I think they win a night. I don't think it's
terribly and I don't think the series is over. I
still think the Nicks win the series, but I don't
think it's an absolute lockwash. Wouldn't surprise me at all
if Game six becomes a really hard game and if
it goes to seven. Now all the pressure's on the
next you don't want to collapse. But I think the
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reason the series right now, despite feeling like it's over
to so many is those guys have a lot of pride.
They're like, hey, we're more than Jason Tatum, and for
one game it doesn't get exposed as much in the
NBA teams usually adjust game to game, not have to
have And I think the Celtics have a volume of scores,
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a depth of scores, which is plenty. For tonight, it's
the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
welcome into legend himself, Max Good, of course, a long
time college coach, head coach, assistant coach, and basketball savant.
He joins us as we talk the Celtics. Jason Tatum
tears his achilles tendon. It does you've been around this
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a long time? Does it feel like this is happening
more often than it used to?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yeah? Probably so a lot of people say, well, these
kids shouldn't be well, not not kids, He's not a kid,
but they shouldn't be playing in low cuts. I think
that they're just jumping higher and land and harder. No,
because their vertical jumps are so high, I think they
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put themselves at the risk, although that isn't what happened
in his case.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But yeah, the low cuts thing, to me, I've just
never thought. I feel like high tops are the It's
a it's a marketing scheme, right, Like a high top
has never stopped anybody from spring and ankle has.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
It, No, I don't putk So.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
What does it do for the Celtics in this series?
We'll get to the future in this series. What does
it do.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Obviously I think it hurts them, But now I want
to make it known I'm not a Tatum than now.
I feel terrible for what happened to him, and he's
doing what they allow him to do. But every time
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he and Brown in the first half, they'll play fairly,
you know, they'll distribute the ball, move the ball and
get it moving and get a lead in most cases.
But then the third quarter throw up fairly what appears
to be comfortably. They'll start, you know, playing one on
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one and both of them when the ball touches their hands,
nobody else they may go the whole possession with nobody
else touching it, and they end up at leads to
terrible shot selection. I think it's I think it's really
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selfish for me to watch. Now I watch him play
all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Are they can they win this series without him? Down
three games to one.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
It would be very improbable, But and you know, improbable
stuff happens all the time. If the makes I think
they're their Other problem is they can't guard Brunson. Yeah,
and Derek White is really good to thunder, but he
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looked awfully of the night, looked like he was totally
out of place defensively. That's the first time I've ever
seen that happen to him.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What do you think that's about.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I don't know. I think Brunson's really good. I think
he's you know, he's got stop and go. He's not
particularly athlete, but he's intelligent, and he's got all those
heavy moves. You know, he's got short, jerky moves and
he keeps people off balance. If I were guarding him,
I'd say, if you leave your feet, it's going to
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be a thousand dollar fine.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
There'd be some guys. There'd be some guys that are
about ten thousand dollars later after every game.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Oh, I know it. I know it because the temptation
is they think they probably can, you know, jumping and
walk a shot, but it's not worth it if you
if you just stay on your feet and wall up
with your hands straight up. You know. I think Holiday
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does the best job gardening. Yep, Holidays are superior defender.
They say he's lost a little bit. I think he's
still I think he and White when they're good impact
winning every bit as much, if not more than Tatum
and Brown. I'm Brown fan.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I know you're not. I know you're not. And it
can be a hard watch for many, for many of us,
even if you respect their their talent. What about Prezingis
any idea what's wrong with him?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
No? I don't know. He's got a reputation for being soft.
And it's ironic because when he came to Vegas, when
he came to the United States, the first day, they
invited me over to watch him work out, and I did,
and it's very interesting. He said that he didn't want
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to be known as a soft European. But ironically, I
think people look at him as being solved. Sure, you
can't win being solved. You know, some people didn't like
Marcus Smart, they didn't appreciate all he brought to their team.
But Drew Holiday is a better markus with more countenance,
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you know, his his composure, and it's just one I
think he's a superior player. And by the way, somebody
told me that your dad said he thought Drew Holliday
might have been as good a guard as ever came
out of California.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
This is true. This is true?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah? Yeah? His his two his two favorites were Baron
Davis and Drew and he thought Drew was a He
thought Baron and this is before Baron tore his knee
at the end of his freshman ye at UCLA, he
thought Baron was the most talented and Drew was the
best winner. See, just like you said, the impact winning,
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which is which is absolutely a real thing. Okay, So
let's say, let's say the Celtics lose this series. So
now you have Tatum with a huge contract that all
of a sudden now is on the books for the
next five years and he's very unlikely to play next year.
If if you're talking with like, how do you rework
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this thing? If you're Brad.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Stevens, I don't know. I think they're going to have
to go to the mediocrity, which Boston fans aren't really
perceptive to, and they're probably going to have to build
through the draft, which as you know, can take a
lot of time. I don't know they've got the right
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guy as general manager though. I think Brad Stevens, although
you know, I don't think he's totally inexcusable for a
way they play sometimes. You know, he could get that
stocked in his position, but I don't know. I think
they got a long road ahead of them, and it's
not a good Boston's not a good place to be average.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, no, not so much. Uh what about Brunson as
a guy who's coached this thing for years? Watch that
you're in higher life? Uh what you mentioned that he's
not the best athlete that he's got all the starting stop.
What are your thoughts on if the Knicks can win
a championship with him as their best player.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well, I'll tell you what. He's awfully tough. He never
runs from the moment, and he's really clutched. You know,
I didn't realize that. I think he was voted as
the most clutch player in the NBA. He was, which
I which I didn't realize, but you know, it's very believable.
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I love him now. I thought he did a great
job when he's with Dallas, but I didn't realize that
he would.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You know, no one did, Max, No one did. No
one thought he was this. I don't know anybody. I
don't I don't know anybody alive outside and maybe his dad,
but even that, like I don't know anybody who thought
he was this. I just don't like. I love I
love the when they got him, I said, like, I
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think people thought they overspent. I didn't because because of
everybody will want to play with him. Everybody knows that
you're about the right things. And you know, when you're
taking over, and Leon's taking over a team, you need
somebody in the locker room who, when things aren't going well,
believes in, believes in the front office, and that all
all worked. But it wasn't because I thought he had
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this sort of ceiling in the NBA. I just he's amazing.
He's not crazy athletic.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Oh No, his teammates seeing every day in practice so
they know, you know how influentially is No, he's in
this day and age, everybody's looking for over seven feet
but is he eating six feet tall?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah? Yeah, but not much but not yeah, but not
much over.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It's crazy. There's nothing about him. He not crazy athletic.
He's not a he's not a great passer, he's not
a great defender. He's not a great but he's just
a great basketball player.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
He's strong. It's gonna be too. I think his strength
is really underrated to strength strengthens, can bump and grind.
He can bump and grind with the best of them.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't see nothing wrong with that. S Doug Gottlieb
show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Max good Is is
our guest. Max, what about the Pacers. Pacers are playing
a style where they press, and they do it for
every minute of the game, and they kind of wore
down the calves. And they've done this before, you know,
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traditionally people have said, like Patino tried to do that
when he was in the NBA, especially with the Knicks.
It didn't work. Why has it worked for the Pacers.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I think they've got good depth and they've got a
lot of good players. I guess their point guard Haliburton
is pretty darn good and but they've got a lot
of good players. That kid that played for the Celtics,
Nate Smith, is a contributing player now and obviously turn
as a contuberty. But they got a lot of guys
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that They've got good depth, and they play with a
lot of energy because they can keep them fresh, you know,
they don't have to play extended minutes. Yeah, but I
enjoy watching them play.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yep. It's it's a it's a fun style and they
definitely stick their chest out when when they play last one,
Oklahoma City. You know they brought the series tied at two.
You have you know you have a team like the Nuggets.
They don't have the depth they had when they won
it previously. Now it's the best two out of three.
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What's your best guest, Oklahoma City, Denver? Who comes out
of that series?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Well, I would guess Oklahoma City, but I wouldn't bet
against the joker. He's he's an amazing player. You know,
people say, well, you can't Ronnie can't jump. He gets
a defensive rebound and he sprints out with the ball.
Nobody catches him from behind. Nobody ever gets the ball
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and knocks it loose from him. He's fast. He may
not be tremendously quick, but he's fast up and down
the floor. I've never seen a player like him. And
you know they we're not unearthing any new artifacts here,
nobody has. But I would rather watch them play than
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Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Max. Amazing to catch up with you again. I love
talking hoops. Let's do it again as the playoffs for
Llann Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Okay, thank you very MUCHO.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
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Speaker 6 (27:24):
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Speaker 7 (27:33):
I vow that this is going to be a fun
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Speaker 6 (27:36):
For better or worse sort.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Of an Eastern Conference Finals potential preview for openers. For
better or worse? How the Indiana Pacers are playing right now?
Or how the New York Knicks are playing right now?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Uh? Better or worse? I think how the New York
Nick Eh, you know what? How the Indiana Pacers are
playing because yes, the New York Knicks did win the
first two games in Boston, but they're down twenty at
the time, whereas the Pacers have been elite in both
of those two series. Could lost to Don't get me wrong,
good loss to the Bucks despite the fact that the
Bucks had injuries, and injuries really hurt the Calves. But
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I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with the Pacers for better.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
For better or worse, a future with Cooper Flag or
a future with ianis on Tete.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Koumpo Gianna said Tonakoopo. I love Cooper Flag, think he's terrific.
Know that Giannis has probably four or five more years
of being a superstar in the NBA. I think Cooper
Flag can eventually be a star. I'm not gonna forecast
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for him superstar.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I think I know with Giannis, no shame in finishing
second on that one.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
All right?
Speaker 7 (28:57):
For better or worse, celebrity row at Knicks games in
Madison Square Garden or celebrity row at Lakers games at
the arena formerly known as Staples Center.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm gonna go Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I just.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
I feel like they have the depth advantage, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I also think there's I feel, like the Lakers thing,
it's been going for so long, a lot of it's
more to be seen. There's a lot more Hollywood types,
whereas there's real, real, real, real money in New York.
You know that. You don't even You're like, who's that guy?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, he just owns a fund, right, you got the
financial financial sector right there. I'm gonna go with New York.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Speaking of money for better or worse in the NIL era,
for better or worse, being a college football coach or
being a college basketball coach during the NIL era.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I think being a basketball coach. I think a football coach.
You have like two gigantic waves of the transfer portal
and it you know, Yeah, I really think that's that's
where it is. Don't get me wrong. We're still we
have a player on campus right now. We have one
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coming in on Sunday, leaving out Monday before the dead period.
But we're almost done. Like in college football, they were
done for spring and then now they have a whole
new portal opening up. You know, they've had more commitments now.
So yeah, I'm gonna go college basketball is better than
college football.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
For better or worse as it relates to chances of
making the Hall of Fame Pete Rose or shoeless Oh Jackson.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Shoelis show Jackson, Shoot show Jackson. Yep, there's no doubt
report on you know, the doubt report is so damning
if you have She know it and Sholis Joe Jackson
didn't wave it in the face of everybody about the
gambling and lie continually on.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
TV because they didn't have TV when that happened.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Totally true, totally true.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
But it was trash talking by carrier pigeon, right, but.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
He didn't go scorched to earth where so many times
Pete's gone scorched shirt, I'd say shoeless Jo Jacks.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Hey, they had telegrams back then, right had they had
indoor plumbing I think and in electricity around that time.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
She had indoor plumbing.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
She yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
He ripped everyone over w l W radio fifty thousand watch.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Ye she bought a new model t it's a hot
new item.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Now he was walking down Main Street with a sandwich
board saying I should be in the Hall of Fame
all right. For better or worse, the Dallas Cowboys or
the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, I'd say Dallas Mavericks. They were in the finals
last year and they just got the number one overall pick.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
Okay, all right, and our final item on this edition
of For Better or Worse again, this seems like the
lesser of two evils. But the White Sox or the Angels.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Didn't the Angels do well against the Brewers.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Theoretically, I'm not sure that would really elevate the perception
of them nationally. I suppose.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, I don't get me wrong. Perception of him is
not good. I actually actually thought that, you know, they
they Yeah, the Angels said they played the Padres, split
with they split with the Padres, one more with the
Padres day before they go to they go to La.
They take on Losers lose Doyers this weekend. I mean
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the Angels, well, they both won a World Series in
about the same proximity.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Yeah, good point. Yeah, I mean they actually played each
other around that time in uh the Alcs.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
That in fact, that was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Drop third strike where that was really great catching. I
didn't like it as an.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Angels still haven't gotten over that. That was a horrible call.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
No, not so much. Yeah, Uh, Orange County is still
better than South Side of Chicago. I'll go Angels better,
white sux Horse.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Okay, well wait a minute, just before we call this edition.
Why Orange. I know you're biased, and I don't want
to upset people who live in the on the South
Side who are listening right now, But why in your opinion?
And I know you are technically biased as I am too,
But why do you prefer Orange County over the South
Side of Chicago.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I prefer life over death. Have you ever heard anybody say, man,
if I could try one time in my life, I
love to live on the South Side of Chicago. Ever, No, No,
have you ever heard of anybody go like man? I
loved like Laguna Beach, Newport Beach, that feels like heaven. Brea, California,
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that feels like heaven.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
No offense, I haven't heard anybody say that about Brea.
I don't have a problem with Brea, but I don't remember.
I mean, they've said it about, you know, Laguna Beach.
I suppose, even though the prices are absurd.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
But to quote j.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Moore who used to be in this time slot, Brea,
California the gateway to Pomona.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It is the gateway of Pomona or from Pomona. It's
the gateway to the beach cities. It all depends on
your perspective there.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Jay, have you ever heard that slogans Brea might be
Heaven and Anaheim might have the angels, but the South
Side of Chicago is the Pope's team. I'll tell you
that that's true. I mean, we're talking like his holiness
is a White Sox.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Fan documented in the Stands the series.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
We're talking about angels in Heaven. I mean, we're talking
a real thing with the White Sox.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
So I'm just saying, a your Holiness themed edition of
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
This is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I lo, have you ever heard anyone say I'd love
to try living in the South Side of Chicago?
Speaker 7 (35:39):
I haven't yet. I've spent four nights there over the
years and and enjoyed it.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
But there are some rough parts, Okay, yes, but there's
also historical places where, like the Blues kind of mist
you know.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
From an Orange County standpoint, Irvine can be pretty rough.
I mean I was at a poetry reading there once
and they were shouting out requests without raising their hands.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
I barely escape were they clapping and out snapping.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
My honeymoon In two thousand, we went to the Cubs game.
We do all think Chicago because we were supposed to
go to Italy from Chicago for a training camp. My agent,
who was in Chicago at the time, had dinner with us.
It's like, hey, good news, no training camp for two weeks.
You guys can go do what you want. We're like,
we don't have any money, so we had to fly
back through Midway. We stayed at again an home, switched
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hotels to one more night because we thought we were
flying Italy, and stayed at a hotel on the south
Side near Midway Airport. I know it's nicer now than
it was. Heart shaped heart shaped tub was was good.
Hourly rates at the hotel not so good. Not so good.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
Well, you mentioned Midway Airport and guess what's coming up next?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
What a by coming on next to the Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay,
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Show broadcasts every day from three to five eastern noon
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of the show, which drops live right after this year
radio show concludes. Welcome in. The Indiana Pacers are the
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first team to qualify for the excuse say, second team
right to qualify for the conference finals. You got Minnesota, Minnesota.
Wait to Minnesota qualify yet?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Wait, they got one more game to wins. My bad. Okay,
so it feels like it's over because Steph Curry's not
playing and because of how it felt like Jimmy Butler
kind of quit. But the Indiana Pacers move on. The
Oklahoma City Thunder retake a commanding three games to two
lead over the Denver Nuggets. That one moves to Denver
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for Game six. The Knicks will try and eliminate the Celtics. Tonight,
they're underdogs in Boston, up three games to one. Jason Tatum,
we had no word on the extent of the injury,
and then he had achilles ten in surgery, so we're like, oh,
guess he towards Achilles ten and and then of course
he got Minnesota and Golden State, which again nuts tonight
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feels like a formality, but it is not until it
actually strikes Zeros. I think the PACER's story is an
interesting one, right, Like I'll just take it to my
life for an example. And one of my friends in coaching,
for a mentor of mine is Chris Beard, who's head
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coach at OMISS, and he was he's always encouraged me
to take a head coaching job, and his big thing
was like, look, the line you need to use is
for any of these programs is if you want the
same result, try it the same way. If you want
a different result, you got to try it a little differently.
And I was talking to another buddy of mine who
was applying for was a finalist for a head coaching job,
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and he's like, hey, my I was like, well, what
would you do to differentiate yourself? We'd play crazy fast
and shoot a ton of threes. And we feel like
at this level, with our lack of money, we got
to be different than everybody else. We got to play differently.
And I think the pacers, I think they do that
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they play differently, that they don't have a superstar talent.
They don't. I think tyres Halburton is a tremendous player,
and I think the overrated mantra that follows him, because
that's what he was voted by by NBA players, is
just a one they don't respect him, and two, most importantly,
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I think they just think he runs his mouth too much,
considering he hasn't done enough in the playoffs. That's again,
that's not me saying it. It's my guess of why
he was voted as such, because I didn't know he
was super highly rated. I didn't know that actually happened.
So it just feels like that's their way of saying
I don't like that guy. That's really I don't like
that guy. So this is what I'm gonna do. But
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he's been amazing and they just smoked the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Here's Hal Burton talking about their team style.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
We're different than every other team in the NBA. You know,
we don't just have one guy who scores all the
points or you know, we we I think we defeat
teams in different ways. We move the ball, the balls playing.
I got a lot of different guys making shots, making plays,
and we've preached our depth all, you know, for the
last couple of years, and you know it's paying off now.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So uh yeah, I I I think they're trying to
do something a different way, and I think they're accomplishing
that task. Here's how Burton talking about the Pacers being
in the conference finals for a second straight year.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
We're not done. We still got, you know, ways to go.
But it's a special feeling, man. And you know, watching
the lottery last night, I remember being at the being
representative at the lottery a couple of years ago and
uh not wanting moon, you know, to go back. So
it's a special, man. This group is special.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, it is. It is. It's incredibly special, unbelievably special
to see this and to see a team that We
think of the NBA as two stars or three stars
in every team in order to accomplish the task, and
here there's not. And they have Ritt Carlisle, who's a
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widely regarded as an amazing offensive coach. Go back to
his days obviously in Dallas, and what he's put together
is pretty special. But he says the job is not done.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Look, we're talking about eight more wins for an NBA championship.
You know, the league is is wide open this year.
I mean there are a lot of there are a
lot of great teams, but it's it's wide open and
we've just got to keep believing.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Hmm. Yeah, there's still eight games. That's a long eight
games away. Now, they're very likely to run the benefit
of playing the Knicks, not the Celtics. And even though
the Knicks are healthy and the Celtics are not, and
the Knicks, it's going to be a snake pit to
go into New York. There's a lot of history there
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with Indiana and the Knicks. Again, I think it's a
blood bath of a series. The point is you're not
going against the defending champions, and the best team in
the Celtics gives you a better chance of competing and
winning no matter how hot the Knicks are, no matter
how well the Knicks are playing, and you're going against
the cod which that traditionally wants to grind it out players,
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players shortened his bench, play them longer minutes against a
team that wants to play more guys fewer minutes and
win with their depth. And it's going to be a
fascinating series again if they match up with the Knicks.
But I think just more than anything, it's the idea of, hey,
you when you're not the Lakers, when you're not the Celtics,
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when you're not one of those Marquis franchises, or somebody
that has drafted a Victor Webbin Yamo or Kobe Bryant
or Tim Duncan or you know you, Steph Curry doesn't
develop under your watch, doesn't become the greatest shooter we've
ever seen, all those things. You have to be different.
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And what happens is my guess is teams will start
to copy that style.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The lame says, well, moneyball didn't work. That's that's not true.
They didn't win a World Series with it. They've they
had incredible success with virtually no financial investment from a franchise.
And oh yeah, by the way, while it may not
have worked to winning or getting to a World Series
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with the A's, it did with the Diamondbacks. I mean
it seems to be it did with the with the Rays.
It's the same. It's the same model, and how many
teams copy that model and many of them had success
with it? You know, the wildcat formation, which frankly is
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partially old single wing, So it's actually kind of going
back to how people used to play something back in
the day, but the like, did it work long term
with the Dolphins?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But has it lasted in football? Yeah, it's still a
part of people's packages. They find a way to play
eleven on eleven football and snap them directly to one
of their best runners or wide receivers, and now of
a sudden that you're blocking becomes easier and tackling becomes harder.
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But it started with a high school coach who is
an offensive coordinator at Arkansas. Then he later obviously Gus
mals On became a head coach still is now, But
the point is that he brought something that people used
to do and then did it differently in college football,
than anybody else, and somebody picked up on in the
NFL and started using it and it spread. That's what
this is. So I think there's something subtle and different,
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and it's a great lesson for so many of us,
even people like me who do a radio show forget
about my basketball team. Can you do it a little
bit differently than somebody else? And it won't always be
it won't always work, it won't always be well regarded.
But if you try and do this same thing the
same way with lesser resources than somebody else, what do
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you think you know what's gonna happen. You're forever going
to be behind the same product that has better resources.
That's just that's just how it works. So again, maybe
I'm taking this to mean too much. Maybe I'm taking
because usually again, like what Calhurt has always done, he
uses business metaphors for metaphors in sports, for to metaphor
(09:29):
for sports. Sure, I'm using one in sports to metaphor
for business or for life. If you want the same outcome,
try the same thing. The Pacers have tried it different
and they're getting better results than traditionally you would get.
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and assistant coach, just kind of a ledge, especially in
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the Northeast, and Vegas will join us in I think
five minutes, and he's basically like a roving Celtics correspondent.
Get his thoughts. But the Nicks play the Celtics night
and the Celtics are favored by four and a half,
and this is one of those you're like, well, Jason
Tatum had forty two. If you take forty two points
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away from the Celtics last game and they got beat,
they have no chance. Here's here's my thought. Like I
think Peyton Pritchard's awesome. I think one of the tough
things that people don't understand about the NBA is that
even if their minutes are sort of the same numerically,
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the difference in six man and starter is gigantic. Jamal
Crawford is a six man, tremendous. Jamal Crawford is a starter,
not particularly good. The sixth man usually doesn't have to
match up with the starting point guard or the starting
goal guard if he's a guard. The sixth man just
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has the responsibility of changing the tempo of the game,
change how the game feels. It's a very different. It's
a lot like backup quarterback is not like the guy
who's waiting and prepping to go in backup quarterback is
you have to prep and get better and all those
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other things. But really you're just there to make this
sure the starter is at his best six man. Especially
if you're a guard, you're guarding the other team's backup guard.
You're not guarding the other team's starting guard. What does
that do it hot Usually you have a deficiency and
that's why you're not a starter. Again, when you say deficiency,
be like, oh, you're talking Like no, it's just the
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reality of it. And so I bring it up because
you would think that Peyton Pritcher will play bigger minutes,
or maybe it's true Holiday plays bigger minutes. And my
point would be that Peyton Pritchard is in the perfect role.
He's six man, comes off, scores, changes the tempo, whatever.
But if he has to play, you know, thirty eight minutes,
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you can't pro rate those stats because you don't realize
that the more he plays, the more his deficiencies. Probably
on the defensive end. My guess he's not really a
shot creator than for himself. Those become more pronounced as well.
But I like this line, and I still like the
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Celtics tonight, just because of the immediate bounce back one.
They do shoot a lot of threes, which whether you
have superior in for your talent, it can give you
a bit of an outlier of a result. But remember
Game one, Game two, they were up twenty on the Knicks.
Game three they were up thirty on the Knicks and
actually won the game. So it's not like the talent
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is all that close. I think the Celtics Brett aren't good.
I think they win a night. I don't think it's
terribly and I don't think the series is over. I
still think the Nicks win the series, but I don't
think it's an absolute lockwash. Wouldn't surprise me at all
if Game six becomes a really hard game and if
it goes to seven. Now all the pressure's on the
next you don't want to collapse. But I think the
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reason the series right now, despite feeling like it's over
to so many is those guys have a lot of pride.
They're like, hey, we're more than Jason Tatum, and for
one game it doesn't get exposed as much in the
NBA teams usually adjust game to game, not have to
have And I think the Celtics have a volume of scores,
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a depth of scores, which is plenty. For tonight, it's
the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
welcome into legend himself, Max Good, of course, a long
time college coach, head coach, assistant coach, and basketball savant.
He joins us as we talk the Celtics. Jason Tatum
tears his achilles tendon. It does you've been around this
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a long time? Does it feel like this is happening
more often than it used to?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Yeah? Probably so a lot of people say, well, these
kids shouldn't be well, not not kids, He's not a kid,
but they shouldn't be playing in low cuts. I think
that they're just jumping higher and land and harder. No,
because their vertical jumps are so high, I think they
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put themselves at the risk, although that isn't what happened
in his case.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But yeah, the low cuts thing, to me, I've just
never thought. I feel like high tops are the It's
a it's a marketing scheme, right, Like a high top
has never stopped anybody from spring and ankle has.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
It, No, I don't putk So.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
What does it do for the Celtics in this series?
We'll get to the future in this series. What does
it do.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Well?
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Obviously I think it hurts them, But now I want
to make it known I'm not a Tatum than now.
I feel terrible for what happened to him, and he's
doing what they allow him to do. But every time
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he and Brown in the first half, they'll play fairly,
you know, they'll distribute the ball, move the ball and
get it moving and get a lead in most cases.
But then the third quarter throw up fairly what appears
to be comfortably. They'll start, you know, playing one on
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one and both of them when the ball touches their hands,
nobody else they may go the whole possession with nobody
else touching it, and they end up at leads to
terrible shot selection. I think it's I think it's really
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selfish for me to watch. Now I watch him play
all the time.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Are they can they win this series without him? Down
three games to one.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
It would be very improbable, But and you know, improbable
stuff happens all the time. If the makes I think
they're their Other problem is they can't guard Brunson. Yeah,
and Derek White is really good to thunder, but he
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looked awfully of the night, looked like he was totally
out of place defensively. That's the first time I've ever
seen that happen to him.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What do you think that's about.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I don't know. I think Brunson's really good. I think
he's you know, he's got stop and go. He's not
particularly athlete, but he's intelligent, and he's got all those
heavy moves. You know, he's got short, jerky moves and
he keeps people off balance. If I were guarding him,
I'd say, if you leave your feet, it's going to
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be a thousand dollar fine.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
There'd be some guys. There'd be some guys that are
about ten thousand dollars later after every game.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Oh, I know it. I know it because the temptation
is they think they probably can, you know, jumping and
walk a shot, but it's not worth it if you
if you just stay on your feet and wall up
with your hands straight up. You know. I think Holiday
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does the best job gardening. Yep, Holidays are superior defender.
They say he's lost a little bit. I think he's
still I think he and White when they're good impact
winning every bit as much, if not more than Tatum
and Brown. I'm Brown fan.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I know you're not. I know you're not. And it
can be a hard watch for many, for many of us,
even if you respect their their talent. What about Prezingis
any idea what's wrong with him?
Speaker 5 (19:15):
No? I don't know. He's got a reputation for being soft.
And it's ironic because when he came to Vegas, when
he came to the United States, the first day, they
invited me over to watch him work out, and I did,
and it's very interesting. He said that he didn't want
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to be known as a soft European. But ironically, I
think people look at him as being solved. Sure, you
can't win being solved. You know, some people didn't like
Marcus Smart, they didn't appreciate all he brought to their team.
But Drew Holiday is a better markus with more countenance,
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you know, his his composure, and it's just one I
think he's a superior player. And by the way, somebody
told me that your dad said he thought Drew Holliday
might have been as good a guard as ever came
out of California.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
This is true. This is true?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah? Yeah? His his two his two favorites were Baron
Davis and Drew and he thought Drew was a He
thought Baron and this is before Baron tore his knee
at the end of his freshman ye at UCLA, he
thought Baron was the most talented and Drew was the
best winner. See, just like you said, the impact winning,
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which is which is absolutely a real thing. Okay, So
let's say, let's say the Celtics lose this series. So
now you have Tatum with a huge contract that all
of a sudden now is on the books for the
next five years and he's very unlikely to play next year.
If if you're talking with like, how do you rework
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this thing? If you're Brad.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Stevens, I don't know. I think they're going to have
to go to the mediocrity, which Boston fans aren't really
perceptive to, and they're probably going to have to build
through the draft, which as you know, can take a
lot of time. I don't know they've got the right
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guy as general manager though. I think Brad Stevens, although
you know, I don't think he's totally inexcusable for a
way they play sometimes. You know, he could get that
stocked in his position, but I don't know. I think
they got a long road ahead of them, and it's
not a good Boston's not a good place to be average.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, no, not so much. Uh what about Brunson as
a guy who's coached this thing for years? Watch that
you're in higher life? Uh what you mentioned that he's
not the best athlete that he's got all the starting stop.
What are your thoughts on if the Knicks can win
a championship with him as their best player.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Well, I'll tell you what. He's awfully tough. He never
runs from the moment, and he's really clutched. You know,
I didn't realize that. I think he was voted as
the most clutch player in the NBA. He was, which
I which I didn't realize, but you know, it's very believable.
(22:35):
I love him now. I thought he did a great
job when he's with Dallas, but I didn't realize that
he would.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
You know, no one did, Max, No one did. No
one thought he was this. I don't know anybody. I
don't I don't know anybody alive outside and maybe his dad,
but even that, like I don't know anybody who thought
he was this. I just don't like. I love I
love the when they got him, I said, like, I
(23:06):
think people thought they overspent. I didn't because because of
everybody will want to play with him. Everybody knows that
you're about the right things. And you know, when you're
taking over, and Leon's taking over a team, you need
somebody in the locker room who, when things aren't going well,
believes in, believes in the front office, and that all
all worked. But it wasn't because I thought he had
(23:28):
this sort of ceiling in the NBA. I just he's amazing.
He's not crazy athletic.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Oh No, his teammates seeing every day in practice so
they know, you know how influentially is No, he's in
this day and age, everybody's looking for over seven feet
but is he eating six feet tall?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah? Yeah, but not much but not yeah, but not
much over.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
It.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
It's crazy. There's nothing about him. He not crazy athletic.
He's not a he's not a great passer, he's not
a great defender. He's not a great but he's just
a great basketball player.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
He's strong. It's gonna be too. I think his strength
is really underrated to strength strengthens, can bump and grind.
He can bump and grind with the best of them.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't see nothing wrong with that. S Doug Gottlieb
show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Max good Is is
our guest. Max, what about the Pacers. Pacers are playing
a style where they press, and they do it for
every minute of the game, and they kind of wore
down the calves. And they've done this before, you know,
(24:39):
traditionally people have said, like Patino tried to do that
when he was in the NBA, especially with the Knicks.
It didn't work. Why has it worked for the Pacers.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
I think they've got good depth and they've got a
lot of good players. I guess their point guard Haliburton
is pretty darn good and but they've got a lot
of good players. That kid that played for the Celtics,
Nate Smith, is a contributing player now and obviously turn
as a contuberty. But they got a lot of guys
(25:10):
that They've got good depth, and they play with a
lot of energy because they can keep them fresh, you know,
they don't have to play extended minutes. Yeah, but I
enjoy watching them play.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yep. It's it's a it's a fun style and they
definitely stick their chest out when when they play last one,
Oklahoma City. You know they brought the series tied at two.
You have you know you have a team like the Nuggets.
They don't have the depth they had when they won
it previously. Now it's the best two out of three.
(25:48):
What's your best guest, Oklahoma City, Denver? Who comes out
of that series?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Well, I would guess Oklahoma City, but I wouldn't bet
against the joker. He's he's an amazing player. You know,
people say, well, you can't Ronnie can't jump. He gets
a defensive rebound and he sprints out with the ball.
Nobody catches him from behind. Nobody ever gets the ball
(26:12):
and knocks it loose from him. He's fast. He may
not be tremendously quick, but he's fast up and down
the floor. I've never seen a player like him. And
you know they we're not unearthing any new artifacts here,
nobody has. But I would rather watch them play than
(26:33):
Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Max. Amazing to catch up with you again. I love
talking hoops. Let's do it again as the playoffs for
Llann Thanks for our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Okay, thank you very MUCHO.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
It's Doug Gotlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. You feel the
juice coming through your speakers. Got a good midway for you,
which does revolve around the National Football League. We'll get
to that at the top of the hour. Plus Aaron
Gordon sort of sets the record straight. But do we
buy it? We'll get to that all next hour plus. Uh.
(27:13):
Ryan Hollins are Fox Sports Radio NBA analyst ten year
pro will join us next hour as well. So you
got a lot to get to. First, let's get to
a game with Isaac Lowancrown HILLO.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I vow Zick Loan Crown what you got.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
I vow that this is going to be a fun
game today.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
For better or worse sort.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Of an Eastern Conference Finals potential preview for openers. For
better or worse? How the Indiana Pacers are playing right now?
Or how the New York Knicks are playing right now?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Uh? Better or worse? I think how the New York
Nick Eh, you know what? How the Indiana Pacers are
playing because yes, the New York Knicks did win the
first two games in Boston, but they're down twenty at
the time, whereas the Pacers have been elite in both
of those two series. Could lost to Don't get me wrong,
good loss to the Bucks despite the fact that the
Bucks had injuries, and injuries really hurt the Calves. But
(28:15):
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with the Pacers for better.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
For better or worse, a future with Cooper Flag or
a future with ianis on Tete.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Koumpo Gianna said Tonakoopo. I love Cooper Flag, think he's terrific.
Know that Giannis has probably four or five more years
of being a superstar in the NBA. I think Cooper
Flag can eventually be a star. I'm not gonna forecast
(28:50):
for him superstar.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I think I know with Giannis, no shame in finishing
second on that one.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
All right?
Speaker 7 (28:57):
For better or worse, celebrity row at Knicks games in
Madison Square Garden or celebrity row at Lakers games at
the arena formerly known as Staples Center.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
I'm gonna go Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
I just.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
I feel like they have the depth advantage, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I also think there's I feel, like the Lakers thing,
it's been going for so long, a lot of it's
more to be seen. There's a lot more Hollywood types,
whereas there's real, real, real, real money in New York.
You know that. You don't even You're like, who's that guy?
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, he just owns a fund, right, you got the
financial financial sector right there. I'm gonna go with New York.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Speaking of money for better or worse in the NIL era,
for better or worse, being a college football coach or
being a college basketball coach during the NIL era.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I think being a basketball coach. I think a football coach.
You have like two gigantic waves of the transfer portal
and it you know, Yeah, I really think that's that's
where it is. Don't get me wrong. We're still we
have a player on campus right now. We have one
(30:32):
coming in on Sunday, leaving out Monday before the dead period.
But we're almost done. Like in college football, they were
done for spring and then now they have a whole
new portal opening up. You know, they've had more commitments now.
So yeah, I'm gonna go college basketball is better than
college football.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
For better or worse as it relates to chances of
making the Hall of Fame Pete Rose or shoeless Oh Jackson.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Shoelis show Jackson, Shoot show Jackson. Yep, there's no doubt
report on you know, the doubt report is so damning
if you have She know it and Sholis Joe Jackson
didn't wave it in the face of everybody about the
gambling and lie continually on.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
TV because they didn't have TV when that happened.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Totally true, totally true.
Speaker 7 (31:20):
But it was trash talking by carrier pigeon, right, but.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
He didn't go scorched to earth where so many times
Pete's gone scorched shirt, I'd say shoeless Jo Jacks.
Speaker 8 (31:29):
Hey, they had telegrams back then, right had they had
indoor plumbing I think and in electricity around that time.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
She had indoor plumbing.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
She yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:40):
He ripped everyone over w l W radio fifty thousand watch.
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Ye she bought a new model t it's a hot
new item.
Speaker 7 (31:51):
Now he was walking down Main Street with a sandwich
board saying I should be in the Hall of Fame
all right. For better or worse, the Dallas Cowboys or
the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Yeah, I'd say Dallas Mavericks. They were in the finals
last year and they just got the number one overall pick.
Speaker 7 (32:17):
Okay, all right, and our final item on this edition
of For Better or Worse again, this seems like the
lesser of two evils. But the White Sox or the Angels.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Didn't the Angels do well against the Brewers.
Speaker 7 (32:37):
Theoretically, I'm not sure that would really elevate the perception
of them nationally. I suppose.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Oh, I don't get me wrong. Perception of him is
not good. I actually actually thought that, you know, they
they Yeah, the Angels said they played the Padres, split
with they split with the Padres, one more with the
Padres day before they go to they go to La.
They take on Losers lose Doyers this weekend. I mean
(33:08):
the Angels, well, they both won a World Series in
about the same proximity.
Speaker 7 (33:14):
Yeah, good point. Yeah, I mean they actually played each
other around that time in uh the Alcs.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
That in fact, that was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Drop third strike where that was really great catching. I
didn't like it as an.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Angels still haven't gotten over that. That was a horrible call.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
No, not so much. Yeah, Uh, Orange County is still
better than South Side of Chicago. I'll go Angels better,
white sux Horse.
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Okay, well wait a minute, just before we call this edition.
Why Orange. I know you're biased, and I don't want
to upset people who live in the on the South
Side who are listening right now, But why in your opinion?
And I know you are technically biased as I am too,
But why do you prefer Orange County over the South
Side of Chicago.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I prefer life over death. Have you ever heard anybody say, man,
if I could try one time in my life, I
love to live on the South Side of Chicago. Ever, No, No,
have you ever heard of anybody go like man? I
loved like Laguna Beach, Newport Beach, that feels like heaven. Brea, California,
(34:26):
that feels like heaven.
Speaker 7 (34:28):
No offense, I haven't heard anybody say that about Brea.
I don't have a problem with Brea, but I don't remember.
I mean, they've said it about, you know, Laguna Beach.
I suppose, even though the prices are absurd.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
But to quote j.
Speaker 8 (34:41):
Moore who used to be in this time slot, Brea,
California the gateway to Pomona.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It is the gateway of Pomona or from Pomona. It's
the gateway to the beach cities. It all depends on
your perspective there.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Jay, have you ever heard that slogans Brea might be
Heaven and Anaheim might have the angels, but the South
Side of Chicago is the Pope's team. I'll tell you
that that's true. I mean, we're talking like his holiness
is a White Sox.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
Fan documented in the Stands the series.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
We're talking about angels in Heaven. I mean, we're talking
a real thing with the White Sox.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
So I'm just saying, a your Holiness themed edition of
For Better or Worse?
Speaker 6 (35:28):
This is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
I lo, have you ever heard anyone say I'd love
to try living in the South Side of Chicago?
Speaker 7 (35:39):
I haven't yet. I've spent four nights there over the
years and and enjoyed it.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
But there are some rough parts, Okay, yes, but there's
also historical places where, like the Blues kind of mist
you know.
Speaker 7 (35:54):
From an Orange County standpoint, Irvine can be pretty rough.
I mean I was at a poetry reading there once
and they were shouting out requests without raising their hands.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
I barely escape were they clapping and out snapping.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
My honeymoon In two thousand, we went to the Cubs game.
We do all think Chicago because we were supposed to
go to Italy from Chicago for a training camp. My agent,
who was in Chicago at the time, had dinner with us.
It's like, hey, good news, no training camp for two weeks.
You guys can go do what you want. We're like,
we don't have any money, so we had to fly
back through Midway. We stayed at again an home, switched
(36:28):
hotels to one more night because we thought we were
flying Italy, and stayed at a hotel on the south
Side near Midway Airport. I know it's nicer now than
it was. Heart shaped heart shaped tub was was good.
Hourly rates at the hotel not so good. Not so good.
Speaker 8 (36:42):
Well, you mentioned Midway Airport and guess what's coming up next?
Speaker 2 (36:46):
What a by coming on next to the Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay,
are you excited or done with the NFL schedule? Lease Shenanigans,
let's discut next The Doug Gotlieb Show.
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