April 18, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and Dan Beyer talk about the play-in games scheduled for Friday night to determine the 8th seed in each conference, and explains why the Play-In tourney was an ok idea that just hasn't been successful. Doug welcomes former Bucs' GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about the NFL Draft, Aaron Rodges and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan takes Doug through a game of "I Got Dibbs".
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Um.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I get what the idea behind it was, but man,
the execution leaves a lot to be desired. Right Tonight
is the final of the play in tournament or play
in games in the NBA, so I I full get
what the idea of it was. Right. More teams engage
(01:04):
in the playoffs, which means less tanking games where you
know if you you win, you move on, you lose,
you go home. Because everybody wants the excitement of that
moment of the NCAA tournament let's just kind of be honest.
Everybody's kind of searching for how do we recreate what
March Madness has. So I get the I fully and
(01:28):
completely get the idea of the play in tournament. And
it's one of those things where when you put it
on a board and you know you're doing a brainstorming
session and you ask somebody to flush it out. No, hey,
I like it, no bad ideas, flush it out. Okay,
So here's the deal. Instead of one through eight, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten,
(01:49):
they all play and the seven and eight seed, well
they have to lose twice only win once in order
to advance. And like here's how we kind of talk about. Hey,
but what do you think? And it looks really good
up on a board, like, yeah, hey, that makes sense.
You know. Now you have ten teams essentially in some
(02:11):
sort of playoffs, and then maybe two more teams that
fall just short of that play in tournament that want
to get in the playoffs. That's four more teams that
are going to be in or competing for a playoff
berth or a play in birth the likelhood is on
a yearly average, four more teams are more engaged for
the entirety of the season, and then we have this
(02:34):
handful of games where we create inventory and oh yeah,
by the way, we give the best teams extra rest
and then we go and play like again on paper
or on a whiteboard. Sounds like a great idea, But
I'm just asking you, honestly. I'm asking you honestly, is
(02:55):
there any sort of energy towards any of these teams
playing tonight that you're like, I can't wait to watch?
And I am your P one fan. And I talked
to lots of my now, being obviously a Division one
men's head college coach, I talked to a lot of
college coaches like I have zero remaining on the bandwidth
right now for the NBA, but I do love NBA
(03:18):
playoff basketball. This is just not playoff basketball. Now. Miami's
playing Atlanta. I think this is going to be the last.
If Atlanta loses, this is the last time Trey Young
wears a Hawk's jersey. It's my guess right, He's up
for one of those massive, massive extensions this summer. And
(03:40):
if they lose tonight to Miami at home, Miami, who
dominated Chicago on the road going back two nights ago,
if they lose at home. I'm guessing I have no
knowledge of it, but I'm guessing they tell Trey Young, hey,
do we love you. We're just not signing it to
one of those Max extend where Trey Young's agent be like, yeah,
(04:02):
we're not in the future plans. Let's find a new home.
So you have Trey Young, one of, if not the
most popular Atlanta Hawk ever, taking on the Miami Heat.
You have Memphis and one of the most popular players
going back a couple of years ago. Obviously, his popularity
is wanned with some of his gun nonsense in John
(04:24):
morand Anthony Davis, who has been one healthy as dominant
as Nico Harrison would hope he could be. And the
Mavericks were in the NBA Finals last year. Granted, you
don't have Kyrie, obviously you don't have Luca, so they're
a very different team. But kend did you even know
that Dallas played Memphis until I mentioned it? Did you
(04:46):
even know that Miami played Atlanta? Do you even care?
And so my point is not that the NBA playoff
tournament totally missed the mark. It didn't right, it kept
more teams engaged. It does give us a win or
go home sort of a couple of games, and it
does give them more inventory, and more inventory needs more
(05:07):
money because now when you have now Peacock coming to
the fold, you have ESPN, obviously you have NBC next year,
you have more games to sell, more games to sell
more money, to make more money, to make more mighty
spend a round. Everybody's happier, But I mean I will.
I woke up this morning going like, is it not
the playoffs yet? Can we just get this thing started? Byer?
(05:32):
What do you think, Bud?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I actually think that there's a group of fans that
probably don't even care about the first round outside of
maybe the Lakers Timberwolve series and maybe the Warriors Rockets series.
New York in the Knicks will probably be loving the
Garden and the Piston series, and Detroit excited they're back
in it. But I even think that the first round
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sometimes leaves a lot to be desired for the NBA
and the NBA playoffs, because for the winners tonight, we
think that they're probably just going to get beaten by
the one seed again, even though it's not happened every
time in history, we've seen some upsets. But I will
say this, Doug in how you started out in laying out,
(06:16):
I completely agree that it gives you that NCAA tournament feel,
but I don't think that it is stop teams from tanking.
And because we still had ten really bad teams in
the NBA this year, so that hasn't changed. But what
I think it has done is it's changed the middle
(06:37):
of the conferences, and I think that is very important
where you do actually have teams with some value, whether
at six, seven or eight or nine. In the West
this year it was crazy, we're now down the stretch,
and what was happening on the final day of the
NBA regular season did have a lot of ramifications, so
much so that Golden State ended up losing their game
(06:57):
on Sunday and fell into the playing tournament. I think
that's something that teams were trying to avoid. So I
do think that the NBA, with the play in tournament,
made that seven eight range, seven eight, nine range valuable
because you're trying to get up to the sixth spot.
You're trying to get one of those top six seeds,
and in a domino effect of that is four, five,
(07:18):
six now have become important because they don't want to
fall into seven, eight, nine, to ten. And it may
not be the magical brew of all of it, but
I do think that they have changed the way we
look at the middle of the NBA. And the prime
example is we used to look at the decision to
be the eight seed or get a chance of the
lottery as a real dilemma, right, even if it was
(07:41):
a zero point five percent chance. We're saying, well, why
would you want to be the eighth seed when you're
gonna get run by the top seed you could get
a five percent chance to be in the lottery. And
I think that that has kind of gone by the
wayside because of what they've done with this play in tournament.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Sam, are you any more engaged in what's going on
in the playoffs because of this?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
No? Yeah, I just I wait for the I really
wait for like the first round to get started, maybe
a few games in before I'm paying attention.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, And that's my point about the first rounds. I
don't even think people care about the first round so hard.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They don't. They don't. But again, I think we're actually
in agreement over Hey, we both truly believe that there
is good intentions there. There are things that they're trying
to do here. I just don't think. I don't want
to say the bad overweighs the good, but the the
part that no one cares overwhelms the good parts to it,
(08:46):
Like literally, it's I mean, in many ways mirrors the
first four. We love the first four, but the first
four ratings like pale in comparison to the rest of
the NCAA tournament. Part of it is it's played on
true TV, so and it's on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's
not your normal bracket or whatever. But this is very
similar like it is. You're right, Dan, It hasn't stopped
(09:07):
the bottom teams from tanking, but it's kept a couple
more teams engaged. And some of it is more perception
than reality, right, They want to give the perception that
more teams are involved in close to the playoffs. Hey,
there's a reason to come to those regular season games.
But again, when you look at the net net, you're like,
is this really helping the game?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I don't think that the win is tonight, Like Tonight's
not the night they cash in the chips. The win
was at the end of the regular season with these
teams jockeying for position and trying to get in a
spot where they weren't in the play in tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Sure, and I think that that's where the win is.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The win is in late March to early April to
position yourself. And again for the West, when you had
had the Lakers being fifty and thirty two as a
three seed and the Grizzlies being forty thirty four, a
two game difference in being the eight seed and having
to play tonight just to play in the tournament. I
(10:06):
think what we saw over the stretch run of the
NBA regular season was the reason. Heck, look at the Clippers.
You want an eight game win streak. They were sitting there,
hovering in the play in tournament. Now they're sitting there
as the five seed. So I think that's where it's
added value, and not maybe not in tonight's game, because
it's because of what is I mean, it is only
(10:27):
the eight seed, and again we think they're gonna get run.
And I would also say that even if it was
a first round series, we probably wouldn't care as much,
and that's Sam's point. But I do think that what
it has done is it's made the stretch run of
the regular season much more important than just all right,
let's just rest up and turn it on in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I don't think that you can do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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Speaker 5 (11:03):
I don't think it's great content, and I reject the
motivations behind it. I think Dan brings up the point
that this was kind of done to deter the tanking.
We also earlier in the week have Adam Silver's original
explanation that it was also done to keep teams and
by definition teams players engaged throughout more of the season.
(11:29):
So if you're doing math here now, you have the
NBA Cup that was installed in December to keep players interest,
you have the All Star Game that has been tweaked
three or four times in the last three years because
you want to keep players interested, and then you install
this play in tournament to keep players in it. And
(11:50):
to me, that is an indictment on the league that
you're running. If you need to place in these gimmicks
to keep people interested, so I completely eject the premise
onto itself. One point that you made earlier in the
in the in your take, Doug, when you have the
meetings and somebody says there's no such thing as bad ideas,
(12:12):
I'm gonna fight that one. There are such thing as
bad ideas. What about if you're trying to empower, like
I don't know, a group of co workers, and you
let the guy in the room that does have bad ideas,
and then you get sidetracked by his bad idea and
then it overtakes the meeting and then it becomes completely counterproductive.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It's it's awful. It's the worst I've actually had. I
obviously I had that. It's it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Ahead I'm no, I was just going to say that.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I think that Jason's point is is brilliant in terms
of of again what this is, and it's it's a
stepping out of seeing the forest through the trees. Is
I don't know if Adam Silver is doing that, but
he's dead one. We're catering everything towards trying to make
(13:06):
things more interesting, and at what point do you just
have to kind of put it on the you know,
on the shoulders of of the players, or of of
just accepting what you're what the product is. And it's
not meantal water to say that the the NBA is
is awful and that the NBA is bad.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, but like, why do you have to if it's
if it's already entertaining, why do you have to try
and make it more?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's just so artificially, so absolutely, and it's it's like
every time I go to the store, I can't give
my kid a present because you know, you know, like
I'm not going to give him a gift if he's
crying because we went to the store and he didn't
get anything. And I feel like almost to that point
of what Jason is saying is yeah, now this is
(13:53):
the this is the third thing in the wording of
what Adam Silver has said of trying to keep things
interesting and trying to keep players engaged, which, by the way,
to my point of the four through the ten or
the eleven, however you want to look at it, I
think that it has I think that players didn't want
to play in the play in tournament, or teams didn't
want to play in the play in tournament, so you
(14:14):
try to turn it on to.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Get in that top six. I feel that's been accomplished.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But the bigger picture that Jason brings up is now,
this is the third thing and the third segment of
your season that you're trying to change, and yet they
want to tell us that everything is fine with the game,
and that we're the ones that are complaining and there's
something wrong with us because we're complaining about the product.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
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Speaker 7 (15:46):
I do think it's important for young quarterbacks to be
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Speaker 1 (16:42):
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stuff again. It's only one perspective, Mark, right, Like, there's
how Aaron took it is not necessarily how it may
have gone down. But Aaron says, hey, man, I flew
there across country on my own dime. I get there.
First thing they do is get up and go do
you want to play football? It's like, yeah, I'd like
(17:28):
to think about it. Yeah, And they're like we're letting
you go. What's your reaction to Aaron Rodgers' perception of
how that meeting went.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, I saw that with Pat McAfee, and you know what.
I again, you're you're right, it's one, but it sure
feels like something that you you know, it's It's one
of those things where if you know you're going to
move on, how to respect to the player and in
the process. Now, again, is Aaron really respecting the league
(17:58):
right now with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hard to say, but
I respect you with the player if you know you're
moving on. I don't get I don't make a guy
fly across the country for a fifteen minute conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I'm just gonna be honest with them over the ponent
and say, hey, look, we're going to go in a
different direction here, and I don't know what you want
to do, but this is what we're gonna do. Now
do you want to handle it?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And that's how it ended. I wouldn't make him come
off across and then just kind of knock him out.
I interest over Aaron Glen's comes from I think he
wants to set a talent, but I don't think you
have to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
What like so why do you think they handle it
in such fashion? Mark?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, I got you, Doug. What happened? They just went
out for a second.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Third, That's okay. Why why do you think they would
handle it this way?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think that they just trying to I think they're
trying to be tough gun. You know, it's a new situation.
Aaron Glenn's trying to prove himself as the new head coach. Uh,
you know, we're going to deal with things face to
face and and and you know, take things on. I
think they're trying to set that. So I think that's
the reason why it's like, hey, that we're going to
do this face to face Kim mentality rather than you know, again,
I get Aaron's trying to do coach Glenn, but I
(19:02):
think in this situation it didn't need to be. I
think this is an easy one when you know what
you're gonna do. I'm not going to put a guy
on a five hour flight to go and tell them
exactly knew that could do it over the phone.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
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sense of what happens at number three? It feels like
we know what happens at one and two. Three is
where it gets interesting what happens.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't think they're taking a quarterback. I think the
Giants are gonna take the best available player, and whether
that's you know, Henry or Carter or whatever it's going
to be. I think they're going to stay there, and
I think you'll see the Giants might be more of
in the mood to you know, pop back up in
the bottom of the first and maybe grab a guy
that just seems to maybe maybe it is, you know,
Jackson Dart is dropping or maybe shoulders dropped for some reason,
(19:45):
where it's it's within play where they can get an
elite talent that they know they're getting and then turn
around and come back on the quarterback spot and grab one,
you know, trading back up into the top of the
first or the bottom of the first. That's the way
I think the Giants are going to play this.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
How do you evaluate Ashton Genty.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think people are being too hard on him. You know,
everybody's like, well, you know, he's a running back, he's
not that tall. I played at Boise State and those
are all facts, but that doesn't stop how good he is.
You know, you know, do I think he's Sae Kwon
Barkley or I heard somebody say he's got to be
as good as Barry Sanders. You know, no one, I
mean no one really knows. You know that, you know,
Sperry Sanders will even be as good as he was
(20:22):
quite frankly, But I think he's worthy of a top
ten pick because I do agree with what he's saying.
Like I think people looked last year in free agent said,
wait a second, so Josh Jacobs did a really good
job in Green Bay. Sae Quon Barkley was obviously phenomenal.
Derrek Henry is obviously He's running backs are good and
made big impacts on the teams they went to, and
it hurts the teams that they went away from. And
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so I look at it and go look where the
Raiders ended up, Look where the Giants ended up? Right,
Look where you know these teams. Look where the Titans
are picking number one. So I think the running back
is deserving. And again, if you just get the five
years out of him, you know, whether you franchise him
or let him go. Five years is a lifetime. NFL coaches,
on average, only average three point eight years a year
(21:03):
per contract. So this guy is going to be there
for a long time, and I think he's worthy of it.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark dominic Is is our guest. We're getting you ready
for the upcoming NFL Draft. What do you do if
you're Pittsburgh, Right, you have a guy who could start,
but clearly you want Aaron Rodgers. Rogers is kind of
on the fence about what he wants to play, and
you got the draft. What do you do for you're Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean I think you play the board exactly
way it comes to you. So you know, if the
quarterback is still the highest rated guy on the board,
you just go with it. But I don't think you
look at it the way that these teams that are
more nest meeting of quarterback saying, you know, Pittsburgh has
got a good defense to have a quarterback that they
like that they have some trust in. I think Pittsburgh
plays this time and says, if the board says he's there,
you take him. If the board's not there, don't manufacture
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a guy. And that's why quarterbacks can always move, right, Doug.
I mean, I've said it before, but if you don't
have a quarterback in the National FOOTBA League, you are
going to get fired in a matter.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Of year or two.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So that's why every year quarterbacks get pushed up on
the draft board because you've got to have one. You
have to to have a chance to be competitive, and
that's what happens to a lot of people. But I
think in Pittsburgh State because of stability, because the franchise,
I think you're okay, I do.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Too, because they have a guy who's led them to
the playoffs in the past. I don't think that's who
they settle on, but I do think again, if that's
your fallback, I think things could be a whole heck
of a lot worse. Right, it could be a heck
of a lot worse. What do you think is the
inside the NFL narrative of this draft? I like you
had this draft is what two people in the actual NFL?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, I think it's you know, I think it's very
nice and loaded with ed rushers and defensive linemen. I think,
if you like, I think that's the main thing. So
if you're a team that's sticking in the late teams
or mid twenties, I think you're still gonna have a
guy on the board that you like, and I think
that's exciting when you realize how impactful those players can be.
I think the other thing is probably quietly talks about
(23:00):
it is if you want a tight end, you better
grab one earlier than you think, because really, after the
first two guys go off the board, it's going to
be a while. I think. So they see another tight end,
and so I think it's going to really help, you know,
obviously Tyler and Loveless. I think it's going to help
those two guys go a little bit higher than I
think people realize.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's also I'm wondering how COVID and NIL and more
guys staying in school because they're making more money. How
has that affected the overall draft pole.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, it certainly has that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I know.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You bring up a great point. You know, it used
to be we'd see one hundred and twenty underclassmen declare,
and now we're sitting right around fifty. So it's showing
you Nil has a big impact on some of these
guys like that, Do I really need to come out
if I'm a fourth rounder? Do I want to start
the clock quicker? Or do I want to go grab
another seven hundred fifty thousand dollars or a million dollars.
And I think a lot of kids are you know,
staying in school to try to, you know, be able
(23:50):
to secure the bag in college with with knowing what
they have, and so I think it's kind of helped.
It's also interesting because you know, so many scouts spend
so much time, as you know, Doug, you know, evaluating
guys and then they don't come out and they've they've
kind of wasted a little bit of time. And so
I think clubs need to relook at the way that
the amount of guys are declaring, and I think it'll
be a you could be even more efficient by not
(24:11):
worrying about the declared guys as much as I think
we kind of do when we walk into those locker
rooms in the fall.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah. No, I mean, like, look, it trickles down to recruiting.
It's like, we've only signed you know, one high school
two high school players, and moving forward, that's going to
be probably about the number one in state kid per year.
It's like, do we need to spend a bunch of
money recruiting in the summer when most of our recruiting
is in the portal, and we need to evaluate those
guys and stay on campus and just watch them in
(24:38):
TV and use our connections. So I just wonder, in
terms of your scouting, how much do you scout? How
does it change your scouting, How does it change how
you draft? How does it change everything where guys are
staying in school longer?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean I think in terms of like schools.
You know, obviously there's name recognition goes across, but you know,
I just feel for the schools that are you know,
good college programs that have some development, especially you know
when you talk about Division two in AI, but even
like the Miami Ohio or the Toledo or the schools
(25:08):
that you know they recruited a kid that's really good
player and suddenly he's going to hit the portal and
be gone. It's making it very hard on coaches at
the smaller level schools, and it's going to make this
thing continue to be lopsided. You know, you can still
you know, in Alabama, you can still recruit the high
school kid because you're Alabama or you know, Ohio State
or Michigan, but you also are only going to put
out maybe for fourteen fifteen office, because you're going to
(25:29):
use the portal for what it's for, and that's, you know,
to go steal the guy over here that we already
seen plays against twenty two year olds that is doing
a great job at offensive center or offensive guards. So
it's certainly changing the entire landscape of not only just
pro football, but certainly college club I think in the
pro football world, you're getting to learn how the guys
handle money a little bit sooner in bigger chunks, to
kind of see how they may be able to handle
(25:50):
that when they get to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Mark, listen,
can't wait for the draft before we go? When you're
leading to these drafts as a general manager? Okay, and
here we are. We're on Friday, so we're less than
a week out. How set is your draft board?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
My draft board may have a little tweak or two
over the weekend, and then come Monday, unless there's a
major announcement that no one's expecting. I'm still using the
weekend for my coaches to try to reach out to
other coaches around the league that they know, just to
reconfirm you know, guys' second, third, fourth round character, love
of the game, and so that's where you get little
little tweaks. But it should nothing should be significant this.
(26:32):
If your wars moving significantly right now, that means you
weren't prepared.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
All right? Uh, Mark, I love it. I can't wait
to talk draft with you next week. We're gonna be
down in that kind of inner circle. Whatever. Thanks for
our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Enjoy it, Doug, and I'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Will be okay, keeps round, Yes for sure, Mark domind
joining us in the Doug got Leaves.
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Speaker 6 (27:35):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Mmm, Dan Buyer, what do you got.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Bud Doug? Since I'm in the chair, the game on
this Friday.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Is I got DIBs.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
All right, I got DIBs. Is back see you later?
He all right? Is that is that the name of
the game?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, he's all right.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's just a just a terrible game. I'm so glad
that we've got a solid game.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Can we address this? I got this address all this
on the airplace?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Sure, all right. So I'm watching some podcasts. I don't
know if it was Antonio Brown's podcast or if he
was a guest on it. And Antonio Brown could be
downright hilarious. I know he's been canceled and he says
very inappropriate stuff, but he's he could be hilarious. And
he did this segment where he just asked Tyreek Hill
if certain players eat and he just like brought up
(28:34):
their name or whatever. Ryan Clark see all right, And
I just thought it was funny. And so we just
scoll it, and we do it on Fridays when Moncey's here,
because you know, we're trying to appeal to the younger generation.
When Monsey's here, we're trying to lower the demographic and
he is he I is something that she pulls off
pretty well. And I just didn't see Dan doing it. Dan,
(28:56):
would you be comfortable doing it?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No? I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I don't see the point of it. There's I am.
I'm very protective of my games, and I don't. I
just don't understand the point of I think everybody would be.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I he's.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
There's a there's a method to the madness when I
do these and.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I put a lot of thought of them, a lot
of thought in them, and if they don't work, I
throw them out. I've had I've had other games that
I've thrown out. How about this? This was actually an idea? No,
listen you ready? You want to know a game we're
playing next?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Sam?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
You bet you?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I haven't thought of you bet you.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I haven't thought of a concept with that.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
It was supposed to be like, oh, you bet you
a gambling one, but I love that one bet you.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It could be gambling or it could be like do
you like this right? Like just ideas that you and
I go, oh, you bet you?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Here's here's another you bet You's another one? This one
I thought of. I've had for years that I actually
think that that we should do at some point gambling,
but also some other stuff, maybe stories you don't get to.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And it would be a game called sorry wrong button,
odds and ends. Odds and ends would be the game
wasn't car crash game?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
What if her end was odd? Oh he's all right,
but but you bet you bet?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You bet same essence may fall twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You can expect.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
I bet you.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I have actually a funny I got like two funny
things for you guys. This is actually really funny. I
walked into a vet veterinarian today. Barty is going to
get tutored next week, right, so h guy squeare to god?
He asked me. He's like, hey, Doug Gobley, love your show.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
What are you doing up here?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah? I coach right there. It actually happened twice yesterday.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
The last time you listened to your show was like
three years ago. No, no, no, it's no idea that
you had taken the job.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, no, it's they had they listened to the show.
It's all done. And then I've had people go like, hey,
what are happen to your show? I'm still doing it.
I that that one hurts, Doug.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I love your show. I love how you talk Horizon
League hoops. Yeah, that's because I'm a coach in the league.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
That's why we talk away.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
No way, no way, He's all right, are you going
to time out your visits to Wisconsin when I'm actually
here this year? Is that possible?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Well, why don't come to the draft? But we uh inconvenient?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Why don't you come to the draft?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well it's a little late now it Yeah, it is
got rooms here, Yeah I know, but yeah, at some.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Point, what se what pack the bags? Tell see you
next week.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I will, let's go.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I will be on it on Brodie's birthday is on Thursday.
In fact, I'm not going to be here on Draft
day because of Brodie's birthday.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
In Dutch defense, there there are a lot more other
major sporting events that will be held in Green Bay. Yes,
moving forward, it's true. That's true. You mentioned its super
Bowl week and then nothing happened, and so that's what
that's so like.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So I think we're doing a big event.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
You are? You are? We aren't. We aren't like that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I can't. I've been listen. We're doing our shows from
first two days. I think from the Legacy Hotel up
on the sixth floor. You are doing already overlooking overlooking Lambeau.
And then the last three days Wednesday through Friday at
the bar at Home Grin which same place Dan Patrick's
doing his show. So yeah, we're doing stuff. You're part
of the show. Get get a plane ticket, let's go.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Buyer your home stay.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
But I know I would have loved to have been there.
It would have been great.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Pretty probably. I got babysitters.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
All right, let's get to the game on his.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Birthday, he gets to go to the NFL Draft. That'd
be amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I got dis is the game? All right? Favorite NBA
playoff first round series this year?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yes, because because we did any year?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yes, twenty five? Your favorite first round series in the NBA.
I got DIBs on Clippers Nuggets. Clippers been hot, Nuggets
have been home.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Malone and they've been playing better. I guess without Mike.
Let's see it home alone.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Lakers versus Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
That's a good one too.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Anthony Edwards versus Luca don't.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I'm gonna wait till the end because I don't. I
don't think anybody's gonna pick.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
No.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I think The Rockets are a compelling first round series.
They're playing the old Vets with championship in their blood
and the Rockets are new to this. It's gonna see
what prevails talent and youth or veterans savvy in championship blood.
I got Bucks Pacers because of the Bucks playing. Also,
again for those that don't know their Game three is
(33:53):
gonna be on ESPNU. That is such disrespect. It's a
silent cast. It's it's a professional basketball game ESPNU on
the un NBA TV Like, how sad. If you want
to tell a series that you are not worthy, that's
what you do. That's what we've got, all right in
(34:14):
Game four? All right, moving on this on the heels
of the NFL draft, hats that we will see on
Thursday night, NFL apparel that you'd wear in public. I
got DIBs on hoodies. They've got a few NFL hoodies,
(34:34):
so I'm going to take the hoodies on this one.
Dan Warren NFL hoodie to a Major League baseball game
Tuesday night. So he proved what he just said on
the air.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, what did you wear? You wear Seahawks Seahawks heady.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes, it's yeah, it's a thicker. It was going to
be cool that night, so I just wanted to think
switch say.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Cold cool is okay? Cool? Brisk right, no, brisk is up.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
It would have wore sweatshirt, but you guys had such
a problem with wearing a different team at a game
that I've.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Got DIBs on the long sleeve shirt. I don't have
enough of them.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Shirt.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
No, not a T shirt, long sleeve shirt, not a sweatshirt,
but long sleeve shirt, T shirt material, but long sleeved.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think that's a long sleeve T shirt.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Okay, all right, but I thought T shirt was like
the full tea or just the shorter tea.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We'll get into the when you say long sleeve.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Long sleeve shirt material with long sleeves, yes, so lighter
but long sleeves, long sleeve shirts. Yeah, long sleep shirt.
I'm with that.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I mean i'd not a throwback jersey in a heartbeat jersey. Yeah,
off the board, modern day jersey. Probably not throwback jersey.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Hell yeah, I call complete bowl on that me. I
could never see you out in public with a jersey.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I have pictures. I wear my jersey once a year
to a Charger game. It's a Mitchell and no, no, no,
not the not the authentic ho go down.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
This question is that not at a game you're gonna
go down to wearing that jersey. You're gonna go down
to a Culvers for a butterburger and wear that.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
I think now.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Butterburger is Yeah. I think that's a very good call. Uh.
Probably not a jersey and public I'd wear a throwback jersey.
I would definitely wear a hat and I wear at Beanies.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You've got a couple of green Bay hats now we've
seen I.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Got green Bay hats. I like, yeah, baseball hat. Baseball
hat for a thousand Alex. All right, finally, what is
a baseball hat? Sorry? I got forming a question?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Final question, Main TV network of the Big four? I
got my favorite, yes for what for the sports? Just
for not just for anything.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I got DIMS on NBC. So you guys got Fox
at ABC.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I got Abc.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Wow, Jason left with Fox, you left me with Fox.
That's give a Fox second. Probably Fox is.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
From ESPN ABC. They got lots of good sporting events.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
The Matt that we've seen promos for for the last
month was last night and that's game time.
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Speaker 2 (00:42):
Um.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I get what the idea behind it was, but man,
the execution leaves a lot to be desired. Right Tonight
is the final of the play in tournament or play
in games in the NBA, so I I full get
what the idea of it was. Right. More teams engage
(01:04):
in the playoffs, which means less tanking games where you
know if you you win, you move on, you lose,
you go home. Because everybody wants the excitement of that
moment of the NCAA tournament let's just kind of be honest.
Everybody's kind of searching for how do we recreate what
March Madness has. So I get the I fully and
(01:28):
completely get the idea of the play in tournament. And
it's one of those things where when you put it
on a board and you know you're doing a brainstorming
session and you ask somebody to flush it out. No, hey,
I like it, no bad ideas, flush it out. Okay,
So here's the deal. Instead of one through eight, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten,
(01:49):
they all play and the seven and eight seed, well
they have to lose twice only win once in order
to advance. And like here's how we kind of talk about. Hey,
but what do you think? And it looks really good
up on a board, like, yeah, hey, that makes sense.
You know. Now you have ten teams essentially in some
(02:11):
sort of playoffs, and then maybe two more teams that
fall just short of that play in tournament that want
to get in the playoffs. That's four more teams that
are going to be in or competing for a playoff
berth or a play in birth the likelhood is on
a yearly average, four more teams are more engaged for
the entirety of the season, and then we have this
(02:34):
handful of games where we create inventory and oh yeah,
by the way, we give the best teams extra rest
and then we go and play like again on paper
or on a whiteboard. Sounds like a great idea, But
I'm just asking you, honestly. I'm asking you honestly, is
(02:55):
there any sort of energy towards any of these teams
playing tonight that you're like, I can't wait to watch?
And I am your P one fan. And I talked
to lots of my now, being obviously a Division one
men's head college coach, I talked to a lot of
college coaches like I have zero remaining on the bandwidth
right now for the NBA, but I do love NBA
(03:18):
playoff basketball. This is just not playoff basketball. Now. Miami's
playing Atlanta. I think this is going to be the last.
If Atlanta loses, this is the last time Trey Young
wears a Hawk's jersey. It's my guess right, He's up
for one of those massive, massive extensions this summer. And
(03:40):
if they lose tonight to Miami at home, Miami, who
dominated Chicago on the road going back two nights ago,
if they lose at home. I'm guessing I have no
knowledge of it, but I'm guessing they tell Trey Young, hey,
do we love you. We're just not signing it to
one of those Max extend where Trey Young's agent be like, yeah,
(04:02):
we're not in the future plans. Let's find a new home.
So you have Trey Young, one of, if not the
most popular Atlanta Hawk ever, taking on the Miami Heat.
You have Memphis and one of the most popular players
going back a couple of years ago. Obviously, his popularity
is wanned with some of his gun nonsense in John
(04:24):
morand Anthony Davis, who has been one healthy as dominant
as Nico Harrison would hope he could be. And the
Mavericks were in the NBA Finals last year. Granted, you
don't have Kyrie, obviously you don't have Luca, so they're
a very different team. But kend did you even know
that Dallas played Memphis until I mentioned it? Did you
(04:46):
even know that Miami played Atlanta? Do you even care?
And so my point is not that the NBA playoff
tournament totally missed the mark. It didn't right, it kept
more teams engaged. It does give us a win or
go home sort of a couple of games, and it
does give them more inventory, and more inventory needs more
(05:07):
money because now when you have now Peacock coming to
the fold, you have ESPN, obviously you have NBC next year,
you have more games to sell, more games to sell
more money, to make more money, to make more mighty
spend a round. Everybody's happier, But I mean I will.
I woke up this morning going like, is it not
the playoffs yet? Can we just get this thing started? Byer?
(05:32):
What do you think, Bud?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I actually think that there's a group of fans that
probably don't even care about the first round outside of
maybe the Lakers Timberwolve series and maybe the Warriors Rockets series.
New York in the Knicks will probably be loving the
Garden and the Piston series, and Detroit excited they're back
in it. But I even think that the first round
(05:55):
sometimes leaves a lot to be desired for the NBA
and the NBA playoffs, because for the winners tonight, we
think that they're probably just going to get beaten by
the one seed again, even though it's not happened every
time in history, we've seen some upsets. But I will
say this, Doug in how you started out in laying out,
(06:16):
I completely agree that it gives you that NCAA tournament feel,
but I don't think that it is stop teams from tanking.
And because we still had ten really bad teams in
the NBA this year, so that hasn't changed. But what
I think it has done is it's changed the middle
(06:37):
of the conferences, and I think that is very important
where you do actually have teams with some value, whether
at six, seven or eight or nine. In the West
this year it was crazy, we're now down the stretch,
and what was happening on the final day of the
NBA regular season did have a lot of ramifications, so
much so that Golden State ended up losing their game
(06:57):
on Sunday and fell into the playing tournament. I think
that's something that teams were trying to avoid. So I
do think that the NBA, with the play in tournament,
made that seven eight range, seven eight, nine range valuable
because you're trying to get up to the sixth spot.
You're trying to get one of those top six seeds,
and in a domino effect of that is four, five,
(07:18):
six now have become important because they don't want to
fall into seven, eight, nine, to ten. And it may
not be the magical brew of all of it, but
I do think that they have changed the way we
look at the middle of the NBA. And the prime
example is we used to look at the decision to
be the eight seed or get a chance of the
lottery as a real dilemma, right, even if it was
(07:41):
a zero point five percent chance. We're saying, well, why
would you want to be the eighth seed when you're
gonna get run by the top seed you could get
a five percent chance to be in the lottery. And
I think that that has kind of gone by the
wayside because of what they've done with this play in tournament.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Sam, are you any more engaged in what's going on
in the playoffs because of this?
Speaker 4 (08:06):
No? Yeah, I just I wait for the I really
wait for like the first round to get started, maybe
a few games in before I'm paying attention.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, And that's my point about the first rounds. I
don't even think people care about the first round so hard.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They don't. They don't. But again, I think we're actually
in agreement over Hey, we both truly believe that there
is good intentions there. There are things that they're trying
to do here. I just don't think. I don't want
to say the bad overweighs the good, but the the
part that no one cares overwhelms the good parts to it,
(08:46):
Like literally, it's I mean, in many ways mirrors the
first four. We love the first four, but the first
four ratings like pale in comparison to the rest of
the NCAA tournament. Part of it is it's played on
true TV, so and it's on Tuesday and Wednesday. It's
not your normal bracket or whatever. But this is very
similar like it is. You're right, Dan, It hasn't stopped
(09:07):
the bottom teams from tanking, but it's kept a couple
more teams engaged. And some of it is more perception
than reality, right, They want to give the perception that
more teams are involved in close to the playoffs. Hey,
there's a reason to come to those regular season games.
But again, when you look at the net net, you're like,
is this really helping the game?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I don't think that the win is tonight, Like Tonight's
not the night they cash in the chips. The win
was at the end of the regular season with these
teams jockeying for position and trying to get in a
spot where they weren't in the play in tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Sure, and I think that that's where the win is.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
The win is in late March to early April to
position yourself. And again for the West, when you had
had the Lakers being fifty and thirty two as a
three seed and the Grizzlies being forty thirty four, a
two game difference in being the eight seed and having
to play tonight just to play in the tournament. I
(10:06):
think what we saw over the stretch run of the
NBA regular season was the reason. Heck, look at the Clippers.
You want an eight game win streak. They were sitting there,
hovering in the play in tournament. Now they're sitting there
as the five seed. So I think that's where it's
added value, and not maybe not in tonight's game, because
it's because of what is I mean, it is only
(10:27):
the eight seed, and again we think they're gonna get run.
And I would also say that even if it was
a first round series, we probably wouldn't care as much,
and that's Sam's point. But I do think that what
it has done is it's made the stretch run of
the regular season much more important than just all right,
let's just rest up and turn it on in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I don't think that you can do that anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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Speaker 5 (11:03):
I don't think it's great content, and I reject the
motivations behind it. I think Dan brings up the point
that this was kind of done to deter the tanking.
We also earlier in the week have Adam Silver's original
explanation that it was also done to keep teams and
by definition teams players engaged throughout more of the season.
(11:29):
So if you're doing math here now, you have the
NBA Cup that was installed in December to keep players interest,
you have the All Star Game that has been tweaked
three or four times in the last three years because
you want to keep players interested, and then you install
this play in tournament to keep players in it. And
(11:50):
to me, that is an indictment on the league that
you're running. If you need to place in these gimmicks
to keep people interested, so I completely eject the premise
onto itself. One point that you made earlier in the
in the in your take, Doug, when you have the
meetings and somebody says there's no such thing as bad ideas,
(12:12):
I'm gonna fight that one. There are such thing as
bad ideas. What about if you're trying to empower, like
I don't know, a group of co workers, and you
let the guy in the room that does have bad ideas,
and then you get sidetracked by his bad idea and
then it overtakes the meeting and then it becomes completely counterproductive.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
It's it's awful. It's the worst I've actually had. I
obviously I had that. It's it's terrible.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Ahead I'm no, I was just going to say that.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I think that Jason's point is is brilliant in terms
of of again what this is, and it's it's a
stepping out of seeing the forest through the trees. Is
I don't know if Adam Silver is doing that, but
he's dead one. We're catering everything towards trying to make
(13:06):
things more interesting, and at what point do you just
have to kind of put it on the you know,
on the shoulders of of the players, or of of
just accepting what you're what the product is. And it's
not meantal water to say that the the NBA is
is awful and that the NBA is bad.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
No, but like, why do you have to if it's
if it's already entertaining, why do you have to try
and make it more?
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's just so artificially, so absolutely, and it's it's like
every time I go to the store, I can't give
my kid a present because you know, you know, like
I'm not going to give him a gift if he's
crying because we went to the store and he didn't
get anything. And I feel like almost to that point
of what Jason is saying is yeah, now this is
(13:53):
the this is the third thing in the wording of
what Adam Silver has said of trying to keep things
interesting and trying to keep players engaged, which, by the way,
to my point of the four through the ten or
the eleven, however you want to look at it, I
think that it has I think that players didn't want
to play in the play in tournament, or teams didn't
want to play in the play in tournament, so you
(14:14):
try to turn it on to.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Get in that top six. I feel that's been accomplished.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But the bigger picture that Jason brings up is now,
this is the third thing and the third segment of
your season that you're trying to change, and yet they
want to tell us that everything is fine with the game,
and that we're the ones that are complaining and there's
something wrong with us because we're complaining about the product.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Fair Enough's are really really good points.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
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said about younger quarterbacks? Joe Flacco, who's now gray hair,
been the consman backup, although he's gotten start each of
the last three or four years, really as that backup.
Here's what Joe Flacco had to say about young quarterbacks
in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (15:46):
I do think it's important for young quarterbacks to be
able to learn. You don't want to put a young
quarterback in a football game before he's actually ready, because
you know, there's just so many things in the cycle
in this league these days is just so quick. You
want these guys to be ready. And I do think
there's huge advantages to being able to sit back and
make sure you get and gain that confidence and and
(16:10):
and really really learn the game and get get the
team surrounded in a good way so that you can
go out there and have success. And I think that
stuff happens naturally through like competition in different rooms and
you know, like, the more competition you have and the
more people you have competing, the more conversations come up
and the more people learn. I think that's true in
(16:33):
not just in sports, but in every environment. You want
good people in a room together that can push each other,
and then you'll get the most out of everybody.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Mark Dominic
is our guest. Of course, he's conducted many of these
NFL drafts as a general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
and he spent deil more than twenty years in front
offices and scouting leading up to being a gentle manager,
and he joins us here first weekly visit on Fox
Sports Radio. Let let's let's start with the Aaron Rodgers
(17:07):
stuff again. It's only one perspective, Mark, right, Like, there's
how Aaron took it is not necessarily how it may
have gone down. But Aaron says, hey, man, I flew
there across country on my own dime. I get there.
First thing they do is get up and go do
you want to play football? It's like, yeah, I'd like
(17:28):
to think about it. Yeah, And they're like we're letting
you go. What's your reaction to Aaron Rodgers' perception of
how that meeting went.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yeah, I saw that with Pat McAfee, and you know what.
I again, you're you're right, it's one, but it sure
feels like something that you you know, it's It's one
of those things where if you know you're going to
move on, how to respect to the player and in
the process. Now, again, is Aaron really respecting the league
(17:58):
right now with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Hard to say, but
I respect you with the player if you know you're
moving on. I don't get I don't make a guy
fly across the country for a fifteen minute conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
I'm just gonna be honest with them over the ponent
and say, hey, look, we're going to go in a
different direction here, and I don't know what you want
to do, but this is what we're gonna do. Now
do you want to handle it?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
You know?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And that's how it ended. I wouldn't make him come
off across and then just kind of knock him out.
I interest over Aaron Glen's comes from I think he
wants to set a talent, but I don't think you
have to do it that way.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
What like so why do you think they handle it
in such fashion? Mark?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, I got you, Doug. What happened? They just went
out for a second.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Third, That's okay. Why why do you think they would
handle it this way?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I think that they just trying to I think they're
trying to be tough gun. You know, it's a new situation.
Aaron Glenn's trying to prove himself as the new head coach. Uh,
you know, we're going to deal with things face to
face and and and you know, take things on. I
think they're trying to set that. So I think that's
the reason why it's like, hey, that we're going to
do this face to face Kim mentality rather than you know, again,
I get Aaron's trying to do coach Glenn, but I
(19:02):
think in this situation it didn't need to be. I
think this is an easy one when you know what
you're gonna do. I'm not going to put a guy
on a five hour flight to go and tell them
exactly knew that could do it over the phone.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Stut Gottleep show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's your
sense of what happens at number three? It feels like
we know what happens at one and two. Three is
where it gets interesting what happens.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I don't think they're taking a quarterback. I think the
Giants are gonna take the best available player, and whether
that's you know, Henry or Carter or whatever it's going
to be. I think they're going to stay there, and
I think you'll see the Giants might be more of
in the mood to you know, pop back up in
the bottom of the first and maybe grab a guy
that just seems to maybe maybe it is, you know,
Jackson Dart is dropping or maybe shoulders dropped for some reason,
(19:45):
where it's it's within play where they can get an
elite talent that they know they're getting and then turn
around and come back on the quarterback spot and grab one,
you know, trading back up into the top of the
first or the bottom of the first. That's the way
I think the Giants are going to play this.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
How do you evaluate Ashton Genty.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think people are being too hard on him. You know,
everybody's like, well, you know, he's a running back, he's
not that tall. I played at Boise State and those
are all facts, but that doesn't stop how good he is.
You know, you know, do I think he's Sae Kwon
Barkley or I heard somebody say he's got to be
as good as Barry Sanders. You know, no one, I
mean no one really knows. You know that, you know,
Sperry Sanders will even be as good as he was
(20:22):
quite frankly, But I think he's worthy of a top
ten pick because I do agree with what he's saying.
Like I think people looked last year in free agent said,
wait a second, so Josh Jacobs did a really good
job in Green Bay. Sae Quon Barkley was obviously phenomenal.
Derrek Henry is obviously He's running backs are good and
made big impacts on the teams they went to, and
it hurts the teams that they went away from. And
(20:43):
so I look at it and go look where the
Raiders ended up, Look where the Giants ended up? Right,
Look where you know these teams. Look where the Titans
are picking number one. So I think the running back
is deserving. And again, if you just get the five
years out of him, you know, whether you franchise him
or let him go. Five years is a lifetime. NFL coaches,
on average, only average three point eight years a year
(21:03):
per contract. So this guy is going to be there
for a long time, and I think he's worthy of it.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
It's a Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark dominic Is is our guest. We're getting you ready
for the upcoming NFL Draft. What do you do if
you're Pittsburgh, Right, you have a guy who could start,
but clearly you want Aaron Rodgers. Rogers is kind of
on the fence about what he wants to play, and
you got the draft. What do you do for you're Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean I think you play the board exactly
way it comes to you. So you know, if the
quarterback is still the highest rated guy on the board,
you just go with it. But I don't think you
look at it the way that these teams that are
more nest meeting of quarterback saying, you know, Pittsburgh has
got a good defense to have a quarterback that they
like that they have some trust in. I think Pittsburgh
plays this time and says, if the board says he's there,
you take him. If the board's not there, don't manufacture
(21:51):
a guy. And that's why quarterbacks can always move, right, Doug.
I mean, I've said it before, but if you don't
have a quarterback in the National FOOTBA League, you are
going to get fired in a matter.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Of year or two.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
So that's why every year quarterbacks get pushed up on
the draft board because you've got to have one. You
have to to have a chance to be competitive, and
that's what happens to a lot of people. But I
think in Pittsburgh State because of stability, because the franchise,
I think you're okay, I do.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Too, because they have a guy who's led them to
the playoffs in the past. I don't think that's who
they settle on, but I do think again, if that's
your fallback, I think things could be a whole heck
of a lot worse. Right, it could be a heck
of a lot worse. What do you think is the
inside the NFL narrative of this draft? I like you
had this draft is what two people in the actual NFL?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, I think it's you know, I think it's very
nice and loaded with ed rushers and defensive linemen. I think,
if you like, I think that's the main thing. So
if you're a team that's sticking in the late teams
or mid twenties, I think you're still gonna have a
guy on the board that you like, and I think
that's exciting when you realize how impactful those players can be.
I think the other thing is probably quietly talks about
(23:00):
it is if you want a tight end, you better
grab one earlier than you think, because really, after the
first two guys go off the board, it's going to
be a while. I think. So they see another tight end,
and so I think it's going to really help, you know,
obviously Tyler and Loveless. I think it's going to help
those two guys go a little bit higher than I
think people realize.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
There's also I'm wondering how COVID and NIL and more
guys staying in school because they're making more money. How
has that affected the overall draft pole.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Well, it certainly has that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
I know.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
You bring up a great point. You know, it used
to be we'd see one hundred and twenty underclassmen declare,
and now we're sitting right around fifty. So it's showing
you Nil has a big impact on some of these
guys like that, Do I really need to come out
if I'm a fourth rounder? Do I want to start
the clock quicker? Or do I want to go grab
another seven hundred fifty thousand dollars or a million dollars.
And I think a lot of kids are you know,
staying in school to try to, you know, be able
(23:50):
to secure the bag in college with with knowing what
they have, and so I think it's kind of helped.
It's also interesting because you know, so many scouts spend
so much time, as you know, Doug, you know, evaluating
guys and then they don't come out and they've they've
kind of wasted a little bit of time. And so
I think clubs need to relook at the way that
the amount of guys are declaring, and I think it'll
be a you could be even more efficient by not
(24:11):
worrying about the declared guys as much as I think
we kind of do when we walk into those locker
rooms in the fall.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah. No, I mean, like, look, it trickles down to recruiting.
It's like, we've only signed you know, one high school
two high school players, and moving forward, that's going to
be probably about the number one in state kid per year.
It's like, do we need to spend a bunch of
money recruiting in the summer when most of our recruiting
is in the portal, and we need to evaluate those
guys and stay on campus and just watch them in
(24:38):
TV and use our connections. So I just wonder, in
terms of your scouting, how much do you scout? How
does it change your scouting, How does it change how
you draft? How does it change everything where guys are
staying in school longer?
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, I mean I think in terms of like schools.
You know, obviously there's name recognition goes across, but you know,
I just feel for the schools that are you know,
good college programs that have some development, especially you know
when you talk about Division two in AI, but even
like the Miami Ohio or the Toledo or the schools
(25:08):
that you know they recruited a kid that's really good
player and suddenly he's going to hit the portal and
be gone. It's making it very hard on coaches at
the smaller level schools, and it's going to make this
thing continue to be lopsided. You know, you can still
you know, in Alabama, you can still recruit the high
school kid because you're Alabama or you know, Ohio State
or Michigan, but you also are only going to put
out maybe for fourteen fifteen office, because you're going to
(25:29):
use the portal for what it's for, and that's, you know,
to go steal the guy over here that we already
seen plays against twenty two year olds that is doing
a great job at offensive center or offensive guards. So
it's certainly changing the entire landscape of not only just
pro football, but certainly college club I think in the
pro football world, you're getting to learn how the guys
handle money a little bit sooner in bigger chunks, to
kind of see how they may be able to handle
(25:50):
that when they get to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Mark, listen,
can't wait for the draft before we go? When you're
leading to these drafts as a general manager? Okay, and
here we are. We're on Friday, so we're less than
a week out. How set is your draft board?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
My draft board may have a little tweak or two
over the weekend, and then come Monday, unless there's a
major announcement that no one's expecting. I'm still using the
weekend for my coaches to try to reach out to
other coaches around the league that they know, just to
reconfirm you know, guys' second, third, fourth round character, love
of the game, and so that's where you get little
little tweaks. But it should nothing should be significant this.
(26:32):
If your wars moving significantly right now, that means you
weren't prepared.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
All right? Uh, Mark, I love it. I can't wait
to talk draft with you next week. We're gonna be
down in that kind of inner circle. Whatever. Thanks for
our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Enjoy it, Doug, and I'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Will be okay, keeps round, Yes for sure, Mark domind
joining us in the Doug got Leaves.
Speaker 6 (26:53):
Be sure to catch the live edition of the Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
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(27:24):
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get to a game with Dan Buyer.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Mmm, Dan Buyer, what do you got.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Bud Doug? Since I'm in the chair, the game on
this Friday.
Speaker 6 (27:51):
Is I got DIBs.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
All right, I got DIBs. Is back see you later?
He all right? Is that is that the name of
the game?
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, he's all right.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It's just a just a terrible game. I'm so glad
that we've got a solid game.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Can we address this? I got this address all this
on the airplace?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:12):
Sure, all right. So I'm watching some podcasts. I don't
know if it was Antonio Brown's podcast or if he
was a guest on it. And Antonio Brown could be
downright hilarious. I know he's been canceled and he says
very inappropriate stuff, but he's he could be hilarious. And
he did this segment where he just asked Tyreek Hill
if certain players eat and he just like brought up
(28:34):
their name or whatever. Ryan Clark see all right, And
I just thought it was funny. And so we just
scoll it, and we do it on Fridays when Moncey's here,
because you know, we're trying to appeal to the younger generation.
When Monsey's here, we're trying to lower the demographic and
he is he I is something that she pulls off
pretty well. And I just didn't see Dan doing it. Dan,
(28:56):
would you be comfortable doing it?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
No? I don't.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I don't see the point of it. There's I am.
I'm very protective of my games, and I don't. I
just don't understand the point of I think everybody would be.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I he's.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
There's a there's a method to the madness when I
do these and.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I put a lot of thought of them, a lot
of thought in them, and if they don't work, I
throw them out. I've had I've had other games that
I've thrown out. How about this? This was actually an idea? No,
listen you ready? You want to know a game we're
playing next?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Sam?
Speaker 5 (29:29):
You bet you?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
I haven't thought of you bet you.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
I haven't thought of a concept with that.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
It was supposed to be like, oh, you bet you
a gambling one, but I love that one bet you.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
It could be gambling or it could be like do
you like this right? Like just ideas that you and
I go, oh, you bet you?
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Here's here's another you bet You's another one? This one
I thought of. I've had for years that I actually
think that that we should do at some point gambling,
but also some other stuff, maybe stories you don't get to.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
And it would be a game called sorry wrong button,
odds and ends. Odds and ends would be the game
wasn't car crash game?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
What if her end was odd? Oh he's all right,
but but you bet you bet?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
You bet same essence may fall twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You can expect.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
I bet you.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
I have actually a funny I got like two funny
things for you guys. This is actually really funny. I
walked into a vet veterinarian today. Barty is going to
get tutored next week, right, so h guy squeare to god?
He asked me. He's like, hey, Doug Gobley, love your show.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
What are you doing up here?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Yeah? I coach right there. It actually happened twice yesterday.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
The last time you listened to your show was like
three years ago. No, no, no, it's no idea that
you had taken the job.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
No, no, it's they had they listened to the show.
It's all done. And then I've had people go like, hey,
what are happen to your show? I'm still doing it.
I that that one hurts, Doug.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
I love your show. I love how you talk Horizon
League hoops. Yeah, that's because I'm a coach in the league.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
That's why we talk away.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
No way, no way, He's all right, are you going
to time out your visits to Wisconsin when I'm actually
here this year? Is that possible?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Well, why don't come to the draft? But we uh inconvenient?
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Why don't you come to the draft?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Well it's a little late now it Yeah, it is
got rooms here, Yeah I know, but yeah, at some.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Point, what se what pack the bags? Tell see you
next week.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
I will, let's go.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I will be on it on Brodie's birthday is on Thursday.
In fact, I'm not going to be here on Draft
day because of Brodie's birthday.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
In Dutch defense, there there are a lot more other
major sporting events that will be held in Green Bay. Yes,
moving forward, it's true. That's true. You mentioned its super
Bowl week and then nothing happened, and so that's what
that's so like.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
So I think we're doing a big event.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
You are? You are? We aren't. We aren't like that.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I can't. I've been listen. We're doing our shows from
first two days. I think from the Legacy Hotel up
on the sixth floor. You are doing already overlooking overlooking Lambeau.
And then the last three days Wednesday through Friday at
the bar at Home Grin which same place Dan Patrick's
doing his show. So yeah, we're doing stuff. You're part
of the show. Get get a plane ticket, let's go.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Buyer your home stay.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
But I know I would have loved to have been there.
It would have been great.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Pretty probably. I got babysitters.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
All right, let's get to the game on his.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Birthday, he gets to go to the NFL Draft. That'd
be amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I got dis is the game? All right? Favorite NBA
playoff first round series this year?
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yes, because because we did any year?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Yes, twenty five? Your favorite first round series in the NBA.
I got DIBs on Clippers Nuggets. Clippers been hot, Nuggets
have been home.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
Malone and they've been playing better. I guess without Mike.
Let's see it home alone.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Lakers versus Minnesota.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
That's a good one too.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Anthony Edwards versus Luca don't.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I'm gonna wait till the end because I don't. I
don't think anybody's gonna pick.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
No.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
I think The Rockets are a compelling first round series.
They're playing the old Vets with championship in their blood
and the Rockets are new to this. It's gonna see
what prevails talent and youth or veterans savvy in championship blood.
I got Bucks Pacers because of the Bucks playing. Also,
again for those that don't know their Game three is
(33:53):
gonna be on ESPNU. That is such disrespect. It's a
silent cast. It's it's a professional basketball game ESPNU on
the un NBA TV Like, how sad. If you want
to tell a series that you are not worthy, that's
what you do. That's what we've got, all right in
(34:14):
Game four? All right, moving on this on the heels
of the NFL draft, hats that we will see on
Thursday night, NFL apparel that you'd wear in public. I
got DIBs on hoodies. They've got a few NFL hoodies,
(34:34):
so I'm going to take the hoodies on this one.
Dan Warren NFL hoodie to a Major League baseball game
Tuesday night. So he proved what he just said on
the air.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Well, what did you wear? You wear Seahawks Seahawks heady.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yes, it's yeah, it's a thicker. It was going to
be cool that night, so I just wanted to think
switch say.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Cold cool is okay? Cool? Brisk right, no, brisk is up.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
It would have wore sweatshirt, but you guys had such
a problem with wearing a different team at a game
that I've.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Got DIBs on the long sleeve shirt. I don't have
enough of them.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
Shirt.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
No, not a T shirt, long sleeve shirt, not a sweatshirt,
but long sleeve shirt, T shirt material, but long sleeved.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
I think that's a long sleeve T shirt.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Okay, all right, but I thought T shirt was like
the full tea or just the shorter tea.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We'll get into the when you say long sleeve.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Long sleeve shirt material with long sleeves, yes, so lighter
but long sleeves, long sleeve shirts. Yeah, long sleep shirt.
I'm with that.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
I mean i'd not a throwback jersey in a heartbeat jersey. Yeah,
off the board, modern day jersey. Probably not throwback jersey.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Hell yeah, I call complete bowl on that me. I
could never see you out in public with a jersey.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
I have pictures. I wear my jersey once a year
to a Charger game. It's a Mitchell and no, no, no,
not the not the authentic ho go down.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
This question is that not at a game you're gonna
go down to wearing that jersey. You're gonna go down
to a Culvers for a butterburger and wear that.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
I think now.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Butterburger is Yeah. I think that's a very good call. Uh.
Probably not a jersey and public I'd wear a throwback jersey.
I would definitely wear a hat and I wear at Beanies.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
You've got a couple of green Bay hats now we've
seen I.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Got green Bay hats. I like, yeah, baseball hat. Baseball
hat for a thousand Alex. All right, finally, what is
a baseball hat? Sorry? I got forming a question?
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Final question, Main TV network of the Big four? I
got my favorite, yes for what for the sports? Just
for not just for anything.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
I got DIMS on NBC. So you guys got Fox
at ABC.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I got Abc.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
Wow, Jason left with Fox, you left me with Fox.
That's give a Fox second. Probably Fox is.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
From ESPN ABC. They got lots of good sporting events.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
The Matt that we've seen promos for for the last
month was last night and that's game time.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
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