November 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug weighs in on the Giants' decision to start Jameis Winston over Russell Wilson this week and what that means for Wilson's career. Doug reacts to the new college football rankings before welcoming analyst RJ Young onto the show to break it down. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Sherman Oaks, California. I hope you're doing great. This is
the longest running afternoon show in America, and we do
it right. We got good discussions. There is not a
hardcore lead today, right. You got the College twelve playoff rankings.
They came out. We'll talk about that with r. J.
Young later on this hour. There's continuing fallout from the
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firing of Nico Harrison, gentle manager of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There's a lot of NFL stories, but none that rise
to the level I think of this one. And it's
a great discussion to have and I have not I
haven't told you guys about a little part of the
Hall of Fame discussion around Russell Wilson that I found
to be fascinating. I'm going to share with you in
a second, but the story of the day. According to ESPN,
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the Giants are going to start Jamis Winston at quarterback
against the Packers on Sunday. That's interim head coach Mike
Kafka announced today. He'll do a great job. I have
a lot of confidence in Jamison and Jamis, and Kafka said,
adding it was his sole decision to turn to Winston
as the starter. Now, Kafka, this is his debut as
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an interim head coach. He is the offensive coordinator. And
it tells you a couple of things. Tells you a
couple of things. One and I can tell you this
from first ten knowledge. Right, when you're coaching a team,
you want a guy who this is like quarterbacks, like
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point guard, right, who has the pulse of your team,
who those guys respect and is going to run the
offense the way you want it run. If you're gonna
go down as an intermad coach and you don't get
that many shots, at at least you're gonna do it
your way, right, at least you're gonna do it your way.
So we can sit here and go, hey, maybe Russell
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Wilson dinner at interact with him well enough. Maybe they're
not boys, maybe Jamis and all his personality. I don't know,
but to me what it signifies, and I thought it
signified it last year, but now it becomes I think
undoubtedly the case or indoubtedly the case. Maybe buyer can
tell me which it is. Indoubtedly or undoubtedly the case.
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It may be both, it may be neither. I'm not
sure we're not gonna see Russell Wilson as a starting
quarterback anymore. I thought that the Steelers that lesson the
hard way. I was wrong, because the Giants apparently did not.
Now the Giants, I'm sure, had every intention of handing
it off to Jackson Dart as soon as possible, but
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they handed off quicker than they wanted to because Russell
Wilson is so hard to coach, so hard to play with,
and his skills have deteriorated to the point where I
don't see a place for him now. The normal trajectory
of a guy like Russell Wilson would be either broadcaster,
which is which is where I think he goes backup quarterback,
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which I don't think there's any logical possibility of it
because mostly because of Russell Wilson and his ego, and
that ego, in all honesty, has been rightfully gained. But
this is like the Allen Iverson. I don't know any
MVP who come up to binch or he just goes
off into the sunset, hangs out with his wife, his family,
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and we rarely hear from him again. If I have
to do ABC, A is the answer. A is the answer.
And then there's the additional discussion of is he a
Hall of Famer? Did he play his way out of
the Hall of Fame? And I always bring up the
Kurt Warner thing where Kurt Warner had four spectacular seasons,
one good season and a lot of nothing seasons. Bayern,
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did you know I don't think I told you. Last
time we discussed this, Kurt Warner actually texted me like
kind of a dissertation because it got back to him
that somebody said told him I said he wasn't a
Hall of Famer. It's not what I said. I said
he was the hardest Hall of Fame case because he
when he started and played all but one year, was
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in any conversation of a Hall of Fame worthy. But
how could he be a Hall of Famer when there
were five other seasons that really didn't amount to much,
some due to injury, some doing to be a backup.
So Kurt reached out to me, He's like, he kind
of listed off all the things he did and all
the things to went down. I was like, I called him, like, Kurt,
I love you, You're great. I didn't actually say you weren't
a Hall of Famer. I said it was a hard case.
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And the same thing is true with Russell Wilson, but differently,
where Russell Wilson the first seven eight years of his
career up until he got hurt his thumb with the Seahawks,
it'd be a hard press to find anybody who covers
the NFL who didn't think he was a Hall of Famer.
Since then, you'd be a hard pressed to find anybody
who thinks he's Hall of Famer. Byer, you watched almost
every stap, if not every stap I've been playing in Seattle.
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First part is do you agree with the premise that
it's the last we see of Russell Willis? Now? Like
Jamis could get hurt right and dart snot back. I mean,
but in terms of being named the starting quarterback. I
think that's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It as a starter. Yes, yes, he I think there
could be a role where he does serve as a backup.
I don't know where, but I think that that still
could be a possibility.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I just don't know if his eagle lets him do that.
I just he hasn't shown himself to be that guy.
It takes us, It takes a grown up. It also
takes a guy who doesn't have anything else, maybe going
and loves loves loves football. When I say anything else going,
it's like, look, I can make you know, four or
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five million dollars being a backup, never play where a
hat call him plays, get the start ready, or I
could go do something else. Most of the guys who
hang on doing that, they don't have these something else
that arises to the level of seven figure salary. Okay,
is the Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's I would lean no right now, and I don't
think that there's anything that could could change it. I
felt that Russell Wilson got way more a respect for
the Seahawks early victories, and then maybe for what happened
later on down the line didn't get as much. There
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were a couple of seasons where he was they're old,
their only viable option. Brought a point recently of the
season where he accounted for what was like every touchdown
they scored except for one or two he either ran
it or threw it. It was just a crazy stat
for how involved he was. And this was the post
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Super Bowl appearances.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He didn't have to do a lot in the first
couple of years when they were making their runs, when
it was Legion of Boom, when there was Marshawn Lynch.
He was a great piece to help them get to
that point. But I don't think that's Hall of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
When he left Denver, do you think he was a
Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
A no, because probably not at that point.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do you think other people thought he was?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
All?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yes, I agree. See, I think you have a ton
of balance, Like you know, the real deal. You've watched it.
You're like, come on, like, what are we doing here?
But Seattle Seahawks fans and people who cover the Seahawks
and watch every step those aren't really the people who
who vote for the Hall of Fame. It's guys that
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cover football general football fans, and most of them thought
unequivocally he was Hall of famer, a bit of a
tough case, but a Hall of famer. Then he leaves
and you're like, well, if you're a Hall of Famer,
you gotta give me something, right, yes, right, And it's
been turmoil with the coaches and subpar play and whereas
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other now he did have the one game this year,
they did lose the one game this year, second start,
where he was in many ways Pete Russell Wilson throwing
the football, but he still had some classic mistakes which
led to them losing the game. That's the crazy part
about it, right, Whereas previously he wasn't a guy who
would throw for three hundred and fifty four hundred yards.
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He was just a guy that would not make mistakes
and then run away and make a play late in
the game. That was like his mo And it's weird
for people like myself to point out, hey, game two
of the season, that looked like Russell Wilson Bold, Like, actually,
it didn't look like Russell Wilson Bold. It's kind of
the opposite the high risk, high reward. That's not him.
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He was low risk reward late.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It was funny in watching the career because if we
just piece. It out comes in as a rookie. We
all know the story. Beats out Matt Flynn. They signed
as a free agent, and then the Seahawks go to
the Divisional playoffs and really could have gone to the
super Bowl, maybe won the super Bowl that year, but
they the Falcons ended up scoring late after the Seahawks
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took a late lead in a divisional playoff game against Atlanta.
But that was kind of like, Okay, this team is
here to stay. Won the super Bowl the next year,
then went to the Super Bowl and then the interception
at the goal line. That's like phase one. Then it
was the next couple of years where Doug, they just
weren't they weren't going to go back to the super Bowl.
You thought maybe they were, because they never got over it, correct, correct,
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never got past it. Then at that point when legion
of boom kind of moves out. This is twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty in the conversation that was brought up of
Brian Schottenheimer and Pete Carroll at odds with the offense
because Russ was cooking early on in that COVID season.
Then turned the ball over a couple of times, had
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a bad game against the Bills, and everything changed. But
when you asked me earlier, like, was he headed to
the Hall of Fame at this end of his time
in Seattle, Yeah, he was. The next year, he suffers
that finger injury on a think a Thursday night game
where his finger was dislocated. We had heard all the
saw the videos of him warming up and taking reps,
and you're like, all right, this is you know, what's
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this all about? But when he actually came back, he
wasn't the same. He wasn't the same quarterback. And then
that ends up kind of being the downfall and goes
to Denver after that. But in twenty twenty, the first
aff of twenty twenty, he was well on his way
to being a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. It is crazy how quickly those things change. It's
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Also should
be pointed out that Mike Kafka, like, I don't know
this to be a fact, but generally what happens. We
did wonder why Jamis wasn't selected as the starter. Instead
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it was Russell Wilson. Why Jamis didn't get opportunities when
Dark got hurt. Instead, it was Russell Wilson, and I
do think that today's announcement that Jamis is the starter
when Kafka takes over, tells you, tells you the dynamic
you had within that those offices. Right, Jamis was Kafka's guy.
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Russell Wilson was probably Dables guy or Dabole To old
Russell Wilson, I can fix you. I can get either
way that there was some sort of commitment there to
Russell Wilson, I in all honesty, huh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I for how day Ball responded, and I think that
you're how you lay it out is correct. But with
the whole tenth thing on that Thursday night I've just done.
Not only was it like let's get Jackson Dart back
in the game, it's let's get Russell Wilson out of
the game. Yes, I'm curious on like where that edict
actually came from. I don't know if it was. I
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get what you're saying. I totally think it plays out
like that, but it's just weird and because it doesn't
seem like day Ball and Russell Wilson would have personalities
that would that would mesh.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
No but no, but but maybe there was something James,
here's James Quinston after being name starter for the Giants.
Do you want fans to know about you?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I'm on fans to know that I'm gonna do my best,
you know, obtually, I'm going to have fun, but I'm
going to execute, have a surgical execution, and just and
just play ball, man, Like this is something I've been
doing since I've been four years old, and I just to.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Do it in the greatest city in the world. I'm
gonna be saying, what, my son, what's the greatest city
in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, that's a Hamilton reference.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
If y'all I don't know, uh hard not to like Jamis.
He is a little bizarre. But for whatever reason, you
got the bizarre with Jamis where it makes you smile.
You got the bizarre with Russell when you're just like,
I don't get it, I don't get it. Here's the
other thing with Russell Wilson and and this is not
crap on Russell Wilson day, Okay, but I have never ever,
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ever seen a quarterback who's won a Super Bowl and
not have anybody who played with him come to his
defense and be like, no, no, no, he's awesome. Can you
think of that? Uh, Dan Bayer, can you think of
anybody who just there's no one who's his boys who
play with him? See how like that's my dog, that's
my ride or die? I can't be Russell Wilson is
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the goat. No, I don't have that with him. No,
it's a weird digamic.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And you know what the funny thing is is, I
actually think that you had that in a short stint
at Wisconsin. And I don't know if it was fame
or what it was, or if it was the thing
against Legion of Boom, but I felt like when Russell
Wilson entered the NFL and entered the draft like he did,
he was quite the story. In fact, there was almost
a little victimhood for how the NC State thing came out.
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And then look at how well he played in the
one season at Wisconsin and leading them and having a
great year, and then yeah, then it all changed.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
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Speaker 1 (14:46):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So Dan,
the new colleg Swall playoff rankings, came out last night,
and it matters, but it doesn't matter, as we all
kind of know, right And by saying it doesn't matter,
it doesn't matter because they can move around hoever they want.
And you know, this is what I tell you all
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the time in regards to the NCAA tournament, which I
think people are coming around to, which is they do
have kind of rules and parameters for where you're supposed
to place teams, but at the end of the day,
end of the day, it's you get to vote your
conscious whatever you think. As a sitting athletic director, that's
really that's really how it goes. And you know, it's
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like we could sit there and go like, well, I
you know, they violated this core tenet of what they do.
Well they're allowed to because at the end of the day,
it's just people voting for teams that they like. What's
the biggest surprise to you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Buyer, There really wasn't much of a surprise, as much
of the top of the bracket stayed the same. The
thing that I always look at is what does the
bracket look like once the rankings are released? And I
am still a year and a half into this format,
undecided on what is better, but I think I'm leaning
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towards a certain way. Doug. Remember last year when Oregon
had to play Ohio State in the Rose Bowl, and
I guess people felt Oregon kind of got the raw
end of the deal. They got to face a conference
opponent in the quarterfinals of it, and maybe they shouldn't
have had to. They shouldn't have had to face a
team that wants revenge. How about setting up a bracket
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where Texas and Texas Tech play each other in the
first round, with the winner facing Texas A and M Like,
that would be magnificent. And if you can get an
Oregon an Ohio State rematch or in this case, like
if they don't play this year, viewer wise, the bracket
sets up eight to nine matchup is Oregon against Notre Dame,
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winner gets Ohio State in a bowl game. How magnificent
is that? So when I see some of these matchups,
I look at that Oregon eight nine game in that
Ohio State game, and you say, wow, that could be
two great matchups. We see Texas Ole miss Yeah, that
could be fun. Winner gets Indiana. But I think there's
better ways to do the bracket. So when I see
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the bracket and how it lays out, I would like,
let's let's really do this with conscious matchups on our mind.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So the opposite of the way the NCAA tournament tries
to report themselves. We're like, well, we don't do matchups.
We just do one to sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, but we do know, Oh my goodness, Kansas against Arkansas,
winner gets Saint Johnny.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
How that work?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's how I think it should be here.
How great would that be for the state of Texas?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Be amazing? Amazing? And people would want to go to
the games, which is all part of it. Yes, trying
to side a champion, but we wanted to people go
to the games. And if you have it all in
state of Texas, then the early games are on campus,
they can go on It's Texas went, they can go
to those games as well. Yeah, yeah, easier access. I
agree with you. Let's bring in r J. Young. He
hosts the Number one show on Fox Sports, which of
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course is a huge college football platform. He joins to
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. RJ, what
do you think of the latest bracket?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think that this committee doesn't exactly know what it's doing.
It's contradicting itself, it's talking itself into circles. Mac Rodes
didn't know whether or not he we should consider Texas
Tech at number four, and they seem to love Iowa
in a way that Iowa fans don't even love Iowa.
I'm with Dan on this. It doesn't make a lot
of sense to me. But I think that's also because
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this is much more of a black box than we
expected it to be. One guy's explaining the decisions of
a whole group of people in a room that are
we think coming to some consensus, but we don't know.
And the more I look at this, the more I'm going,
why don't we just let the scoreboard do the talking
as opposed to letting the suits tell us what they
think about a two lost or even a three lost
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team being ranked in top twenty.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Five stug Outlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So
what's the one team who's ranking you like the least?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Goodness me, what the hell is Miami doing at number fifteen?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Dougs?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
What is Miami doing representing the pride of the ACC
right now? It's because the explanation that mac Rhodes gave
doesn't really wash. He basically said that the ACC doesn't
have a good non conference win outside of Miami's win
against Notre game, which is its way of saying, we
don't care that the ACC beats up on each other,
but we've seen the care that the Big twelve does,
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that the Big ten does, that the SEC does. But
we're just going to probe the entire ACC out the window. Well,
I think the team that might be the best in
that entire conference is actually ranked the furthest back of
the teams that are ranking ACC and Pitt, like I
said last week, they're my sleeper right now, and I
think that that team is getting a raw deal by
this committee, mostly because all this committee has done is
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watch Miami or maybe watch football, not even sure that's
what they're doing on saturdays.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Like you me, well, I'll challenge you in the pit
thing who has Pitt beaten that that would bring you
to that conclusion. They're wins. I'll reach you their wins.
Du Cane Central Michigan, Boston College, who hasn't won an
ACC game, Florida State, who's one in five in the ACC,
Syracuse is one in six in the AECU, NC State,
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who's two and three in the ACC and Stanford, who's
two and five in the ACC. Their losses are to Louisville,
who's at the towards the top of the league, and
West Virginia, who's middle of the pack in the Big twelve.
So where's the meat on the bone that would lead
you to think that Pitt is somehow getting a raw.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Deal that beat the hell out of NC State while
NC State beat the hell out of Georgia Tech. Does
a lot of work for me. That's a common opponent
that does a lot of work for me.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now, so you're you're going, you're going, you're going transitive property.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, I'm going I'm going until I get a head
to head that I can use, like say versus Georgia Tech. Right,
I'm going with this. And let's keeping in mind they
got to play Notre Dame this weekend. Pat guard Uzy
basically saying the quiet part out loud. Why do we
let Notre Dame act like a GDI, because that's just
what we do. But if they beat Notre Dame, this
is a different discussion altogether. They have a great win.
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I want them to prove it, like you right against
better competition. But right now, given what they did in
NC State and what NC State did to Georgia Tech,
I'm inclined to believe they're better than Miami. I don't
know that they're better than Georgia Tech, but we get
a chance to find that out a little bit later
on this month. R. J.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Young's our guest here in the Doug Outlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. I will tell you one thing that
I find really hard is you know you have you
have what is it, five SEC teams in the top twelve,
but so many of them at the end of the
year are competing against teams who have fired their coaches.
So while I don't think I know the SEC is,
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without any question, the deepest and best league in the country,
the disparity between teams that are playing for something and
teams are playing for nothing is could not be more stark.
I mean, like, look, obviously Alabama Oklahoma gigantic game for
both teams, especially for you, but I mean Alabama kind
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of out of the woods after this game with Eastern Illinois,
which they got and then it was a setup for
Auburn and Alburn fired you freeze, how much have the
coaching changes mid season changed the traject What the SEC
is going to look like at the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Well, I think you got to take you on account
that the power teams are still going to play powers. Right,
So while yes, they have fired their coaches, you also
got in Eastern Illinois on the menu, right, You've got
some really bad games on the menu for SEC competition.
But Oklahoma does have to play Alabama, right, and Alabama
will get the beat up on Auburn. But before that,
they already beat Georgia on the road. They've done enough
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for me A and M in Texas. They still got
to play each other this Oklahoma LSU game. It might
not matter if Alabama beats Oklahoma. I'm not so caught
up on the coaches that got fired in the Florida
and the LSU of at all. I'm more caught up
in are we going to rank these teams accordingly? If say,
Oklahoma and Alabama's a one score game, is that still
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gonna make Oklahoma a top twelve team? Or is that
still gonna make Alabama a top twelve team? Because the
way in which they have articulated their point here, like
BYU taking the lost tex attack their first lost season.
They took a five spot penalty for getting beat by
a team that we all think is really damn good.
So I'm not sure that I'm gonna have that argument
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that you're having about what we're doing with the SEC
in the bat Calf. It's more like, are they going
to stick to the criteria that they've already laid out
in that they already think the SEC is valuable? They
always there, already think the SEC is good. And are
we even going to see any movement among those top
twelve with those SEC teams not having to play you know,
let's say, class competition except once or twice the rest
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of the way. R. J.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Young's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. There are are all these big jobs
in the SA. Who's the big name who moves into
the league, that moves.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Into the league WHOA That's a very good question. You know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna take a flyer on this, and
I'm gonna say, Bob Chesney at James Madison's been doing
a really damn good job coming in from Holy Cross,
took over the the basically the monster that Kurt Signetty
built and did not run it into the ground. He's
made it into a really great program. They're undefeated in
conference play. Their only loss is to Louisville. Right, that's one.
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But until recently I would have told you Ryan Silverfield
at Memphis, I think the loss to Tulane doesn't help him.
And there's already a whole bunch of people that think
that John somemmer All at Tulane's a great fit for
one of these I see huge jobs, But the one
that he's most fit for is Lane Kiffins if you
want to, and I don't think the port is gonna
do that. So those are my two. Ryan Silverfield and
Bob Chesney.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Awesome stuff. R j O U Alabama. The suitors win.
If what.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
If John Mattier plays the kind of football that he
played before he broke his hand, That's it. What I
have not seen that guy?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
What happened? What happened? It was like it was the
greatest hire of offensive coordinator combined with quarterback we'd ever seen. Like, Man,
as soon as they got this thing figured out, Man,
the tier's gonna win the Heisman. It's you know, start
putting the statue out there with all the rest of
the Heisman statues. He breaks his head. Okay, I understand
he kind of rushed him back against Texas. That happens,
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but he hasn't been the same since what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I'm gonna I'm gonna counter with Lincoln Riley Baker Mayfield.
But that's beside the point. The other the other thing
that has happened here is and I was told I
told a friend this, The sec made that man mortal.
Like if you look at what he was doing before
he got to Oklahoma at Washington State, he was not
doing it against power for competition. I was loud about
that part. I was gonna hate. I understand this guy
Baker Mayfield to many, but until he does it against
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class competition, let's wait. And then he did it against Michigan,
and then he did it again against an Auburn team
we thought was good at the time with ranked in
top twenty five. Now we know they're bad. Right They
beat him out South Carolina, but that doesn't matter. They
got hammered by Texas. They couldn't quite come back against
Ole Mis And I think for him it's mostly people
have figured out he is an athlete at quarterback. He's
a high school shortstop. Playing quarterback means he's gonna airmail
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some passes, means he's not gonna be as accurate. And
if you take away his run lanes and you force
everybody else to do some work, you make Oklahoma into
a one dimensional team. If he can round himself into
a quarterback this weekend, like say Ty Simpson or Fernando Mendoza,
we'll throw him in fans, they win. But if he
can continue to play like he has, they're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
It's that simple, ar Jie, great stuff, man, Enjoy the games,
enjoy the weekend. Let's catch up soon. Thanks for our
guest on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Radio, Doug, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's r J. Young. It's the number one show on
Fox Sports covering and focusing on college football. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. It is interesting, right,
how we get now to November and this weekend. Gigantic,
gigantic games, but they do feel a little weird. You
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have a bunch of big name ring schools on the road,
even South Florida at Navy. That ain't gonna be easy. Obviously,
Navy loose missed their quarterback last week Michigan at Northwestern, No.
Dame at Pittsburgh, South Carolina at A and m wis Constant, Indiana.
You have the ranked teams at home. Are interesting, but
usually they survived. It's what happens when the ranked teams
go on the road and play. You know, Virginia at
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Duke Iowa USC Brad Beal as a fracture in his hip,
right fracture in his hip. Remember, Beal signed a two
year deal, different contract now than the gargantian one he
brought over from the Wizards when he was with the Suns.
Two year deal. I think it was like eleven million
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dollars with the Clippers, so it doesn't hurt them as
much financially. But has anyone had a worse offseason and
early interregular season. I mean, Nico Harrison probably be the guy,
and the Mavericks are all banged up. But the Clippers
you have the the Pablo Tory investigation of the signing
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and re signing of Kawhi Leonard and what it means
for the team going forward, and then you have Brad
beal fractures hip missed the entire season. That Clipper curse
is a real thing. That Clipper curse is a real thing.
(28:24):
Brad Beal fractures his hip, don't worry about it. You
know they'll count on more. Chris Paul.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yes, we would talk about Russell Wilson and leaving Seattle
and what has gone wrong? Oh, I mean Bradley Beal
had a nice NBA career. Yeah, and then all of
a sudden he gets thrown in the laundry of trying
to form big threes and big four's and whatever. And
now we look at Bradley Beal's career as something completely different.
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If he just would have stayed in Washington and wrote
it out, we would have been like, man, too bad,
Bradley Bill didn't get to go to a winner. He
was a heck of a player. Now we're like, Bradley
Beal now injured.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
He stinks. That's that's how you look at it. He
stinks he was best. Now he's become best player and
a bad team. I fully agree with you. The other
guy who's like that, obviously is Dame Lillard, Right. Dame
Lillar was man, you gotta get him out of Portland.
He was loyal to Portland. He gets out of Portland
and Milwaukee goes from championship team to they're not competing
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for it, coaches get fired, then he tears his achilles tendon.
Now he's back in Portland.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I would say at least with Dame he did some
of the things, maybe not to the level in Portland
where Beal has just seemingly been a shadow of who
he is. Dame did hit some game winners, just didn't
seem like he and Giannis mixed like he could never
you could never make it work.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But man, I would also say that, like, did any
of us actually watch Brad Beal play when he correct Yes,
like he made have been terrible. I don't know nobody
watched him.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yep. I think it's a great point.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It is one of those things where we make it
out like the worst thing you can do as a
competitive man is go like, now I'm good, I'm good.
But if you look at it from a different perspective,
by the time you get thrown into those hyper competitive environments,
you're usually not the player used to be. Oh yeah,
by the way, your offseason started a little bit earlier
with no stress. Nobody ever blamed it on Brad Beal,
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even when the whole team depended on Brad Beal. Then
he's like the third option and everybody's like, dude, Brad
Beal stinks.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Let's blame it all on Beal. Correct, It's not Booker
Durant's fault.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nope, never never cut up with The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Who had a better career so far? Jamis or Mariota?
We'll discuss next.
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get a damn buyer for a game.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
What do you out there? Dan?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right? Doug? The game today is for better or worse?
All right? First topic, fixing games. You can take this
wherever you want, Doug. For better or worse Major League
Baseball versus the NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Fixing games? I think Major League Baseball because it's been
done at a higher level before.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Better or it's worse.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So it's worse if you're worse throwing balls into the dirt?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Oh wow, I think is wow, that's so hard. I
think it's worse if you're football because of your alignment
and you let a guy run though you get your
quarterback hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, so we've went option to see on this.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I'm gonna say football is the worst.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Alright, this is incredible. For better or to give you
fifty to fifty and you're going to choose the third one,
we should call those better worse?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh sorry, it's NBA. My bad, I'm looking at the
list here. It's NBA. Uh. What's worse? MLB is worse
because of the Black Sox scandal, because everybody you know
if they've had a legit huge scandal involving the World Series.
Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Final answer, all right, for better or worse?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Better?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
For better or worse? Career, we'll put it that way
Jamis Winston versus Marcus Mariota.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Am I allowed to count high college sure than Jameis Winson? Better, better, better,
really win national championship. Mariota did win nation hip, he
won a Heisman.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
He did get to the National championship game against Dan
Bayer and they lost to Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I'm gonna go Jamis Winston, all right. Mariota had a
couple better years, more solid years in the NFL. Jamis
had some wild you know, the thirty touchdown thirty interception year,
but winning a national championship I think is put to them
over the top.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Both starting games in twenty twenty five after they were
the first two picks in twenty fifteen. Also interesting, Jamis
has played in slightly more games. He's thrown for significantly
more yards, but again, that wasn't Mariota's entire game. Mariota
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more a runner than Jamis ever was interceptions. Jamis one
hundred and eleven, Mariota fifty nine. Well, just some interesting
stats along the way, fantasy points, as we all care about,
Jamis leads and Pro Bowls. Jamis one to none against
Marcus Mariota.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Would you agree? You said a surprise when I said.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That, Yeah, because I think that Mariota's bounced around in
places where like in Atlanta, He's maybe going to get
an opportunity. He's carved his rollout in Washington, led the
Titans to playoff victory when he was in Tennessee. And
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I think the thing that we remember most about Jamis's
career is the thirty thirty. It's the eating the w
where I actually had actually had football success memories from
Mariota in meaningful games, not Jamis, like on Thursday Night
football on the Browns beating the Steelers or whoever it was.
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So that that's why I was a little thrown off.
I thought I was actually gonna be Mariota. But National
Championship carries a big, big weight, all right. Dougs for
Better or Worse? Second year quarterback Caleb Williams versus Jayden
Daniels versus Drake May.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Drake May better? Who is the first one because Jane Daniels,
And who's the throw one? Caleb Williams Caleb Williams. I
put Caleb Williams worse, Jay Datas in the middle.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
For better or worse. Doug International Game Germany versus Spain,
Spain this week.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Into Spain, but I'd surely like to get.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
There Germany last week in Berlin and Berlin.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
If you get to stop it's the gentleman, it's the
Berlin Wall. I'm gonna go Spain. I got caught in
a a. It was an Instagram like stop, I.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Share place some money on that.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The laugh laugh, The laugh is what did it? The
laugh is what did it? They were doing great until that. Laughs. Yeah.
I saw this thing on TikTok or Instagram that San Sebastian, Spain.
Do you know San Sebastian, Spain has more Michelin Star
restaurants than anywhere else in the world, any city in
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the world.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And the game is not in San Sebastian, Spain. But
I just wanted to throw that nugget out because I
saw on Instagram. And if it's on Instagram, it wants
to be true.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Finally, Doug for Better or Worse twin city and you
in Minneapolis or a Saint Paul guy.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well, we play in Saint Paul tomorrow night against the
Tommy's the Saint Thomas, and then we play in Minneapolis
on Saturday night against the Gophers. I'm gonna go just Minneapolis.
I haven't spent a ton of time in Saint Paul.
We will over the next two nights and I'll report back.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, maybe a new verdicts next week. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Game correct me.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
If I'm ranch kill, all the golfers will lock you
up and throwing the key. They're paternal twin cities, paternal twins.
I wish somebody had say another paternal fraternal twin cities
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hardcore lead today, right. You got the College twelve playoff rankings.
They came out. We'll talk about that with r. J.
Young later on this hour. There's continuing fallout from the
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firing of Nico Harrison, gentle manager of the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There's a lot of NFL stories, but none that rise
to the level I think of this one. And it's
a great discussion to have and I have not I
haven't told you guys about a little part of the
Hall of Fame discussion around Russell Wilson that I found
to be fascinating. I'm going to share with you in
a second, but the story of the day. According to ESPN,
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the Giants are going to start Jamis Winston at quarterback
against the Packers on Sunday. That's interim head coach Mike
Kafka announced today. He'll do a great job. I have
a lot of confidence in Jamison and Jamis, and Kafka said,
adding it was his sole decision to turn to Winston
as the starter. Now, Kafka, this is his debut as
(01:47):
an interim head coach. He is the offensive coordinator. And
it tells you a couple of things. Tells you a
couple of things. One and I can tell you this
from first ten knowledge. Right, when you're coaching a team,
you want a guy who this is like quarterbacks, like
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point guard, right, who has the pulse of your team,
who those guys respect and is going to run the
offense the way you want it run. If you're gonna
go down as an intermad coach and you don't get
that many shots, at at least you're gonna do it
your way, right, at least you're gonna do it your way.
So we can sit here and go, hey, maybe Russell
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Wilson dinner at interact with him well enough. Maybe they're
not boys, maybe Jamis and all his personality. I don't know,
but to me what it signifies, and I thought it
signified it last year, but now it becomes I think
undoubtedly the case or indoubtedly the case. Maybe buyer can
tell me which it is. Indoubtedly or undoubtedly the case.
(02:50):
It may be both, it may be neither. I'm not
sure we're not gonna see Russell Wilson as a starting
quarterback anymore. I thought that the Steelers that lesson the
hard way. I was wrong, because the Giants apparently did not.
Now the Giants, I'm sure, had every intention of handing
it off to Jackson Dart as soon as possible, but
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they handed off quicker than they wanted to because Russell
Wilson is so hard to coach, so hard to play with,
and his skills have deteriorated to the point where I
don't see a place for him now. The normal trajectory
of a guy like Russell Wilson would be either broadcaster,
which is which is where I think he goes backup quarterback,
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which I don't think there's any logical possibility of it
because mostly because of Russell Wilson and his ego, and
that ego, in all honesty, has been rightfully gained. But
this is like the Allen Iverson. I don't know any
MVP who come up to binch or he just goes
off into the sunset, hangs out with his wife, his family,
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and we rarely hear from him again. If I have
to do ABC, A is the answer. A is the answer.
And then there's the additional discussion of is he a
Hall of Famer? Did he play his way out of
the Hall of Fame? And I always bring up the
Kurt Warner thing where Kurt Warner had four spectacular seasons,
one good season and a lot of nothing seasons. Bayern,
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did you know I don't think I told you. Last
time we discussed this, Kurt Warner actually texted me like
kind of a dissertation because it got back to him
that somebody said told him I said he wasn't a
Hall of Famer. It's not what I said. I said
he was the hardest Hall of Fame case because he
when he started and played all but one year, was
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in any conversation of a Hall of Fame worthy. But
how could he be a Hall of Famer when there
were five other seasons that really didn't amount to much,
some due to injury, some doing to be a backup.
So Kurt reached out to me, He's like, he kind
of listed off all the things he did and all
the things to went down. I was like, I called him, like, Kurt,
I love you, You're great. I didn't actually say you weren't
a Hall of Famer. I said it was a hard case.
(05:06):
And the same thing is true with Russell Wilson, but differently,
where Russell Wilson the first seven eight years of his
career up until he got hurt his thumb with the Seahawks,
it'd be a hard press to find anybody who covers
the NFL who didn't think he was a Hall of Famer.
Since then, you'd be a hard pressed to find anybody
who thinks he's Hall of Famer. Byer, you watched almost
every stap, if not every stap I've been playing in Seattle.
(05:29):
First part is do you agree with the premise that
it's the last we see of Russell Willis? Now? Like
Jamis could get hurt right and dart snot back. I mean,
but in terms of being named the starting quarterback. I
think that's.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It as a starter. Yes, yes, he I think there
could be a role where he does serve as a backup.
I don't know where, but I think that that still
could be a possibility.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I just don't know if his eagle lets him do that.
I just he hasn't shown himself to be that guy.
It takes us, It takes a grown up. It also
takes a guy who doesn't have anything else, maybe going
and loves loves loves football. When I say anything else going,
it's like, look, I can make you know, four or
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five million dollars being a backup, never play where a
hat call him plays, get the start ready, or I
could go do something else. Most of the guys who
hang on doing that, they don't have these something else
that arises to the level of seven figure salary. Okay,
is the Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's I would lean no right now, and I don't
think that there's anything that could could change it. I
felt that Russell Wilson got way more a respect for
the Seahawks early victories, and then maybe for what happened
later on down the line didn't get as much. There
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were a couple of seasons where he was they're old,
their only viable option. Brought a point recently of the
season where he accounted for what was like every touchdown
they scored except for one or two he either ran
it or threw it. It was just a crazy stat
for how involved he was. And this was the post
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Super Bowl appearances.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
He didn't have to do a lot in the first
couple of years when they were making their runs, when
it was Legion of Boom, when there was Marshawn Lynch.
He was a great piece to help them get to
that point. But I don't think that's Hall of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
When he left Denver, do you think he was a
Hall of Famer?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
A no, because probably not at that point.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Do you think other people thought he was?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
All?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yes, I agree. See, I think you have a ton
of balance, Like you know, the real deal. You've watched it.
You're like, come on, like, what are we doing here?
But Seattle Seahawks fans and people who cover the Seahawks
and watch every step those aren't really the people who
who vote for the Hall of Fame. It's guys that
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cover football general football fans, and most of them thought
unequivocally he was Hall of famer, a bit of a
tough case, but a Hall of famer. Then he leaves
and you're like, well, if you're a Hall of Famer,
you gotta give me something, right, yes, right, And it's
been turmoil with the coaches and subpar play and whereas
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other now he did have the one game this year,
they did lose the one game this year, second start,
where he was in many ways Pete Russell Wilson throwing
the football, but he still had some classic mistakes which
led to them losing the game. That's the crazy part
about it, right, Whereas previously he wasn't a guy who
would throw for three hundred and fifty four hundred yards.
(08:56):
He was just a guy that would not make mistakes
and then run away and make a play late in
the game. That was like his mo And it's weird
for people like myself to point out, hey, game two
of the season, that looked like Russell Wilson Bold, Like, actually,
it didn't look like Russell Wilson Bold. It's kind of
the opposite the high risk, high reward. That's not him.
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He was low risk reward late.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
It was funny in watching the career because if we
just piece. It out comes in as a rookie. We
all know the story. Beats out Matt Flynn. They signed
as a free agent, and then the Seahawks go to
the Divisional playoffs and really could have gone to the
super Bowl, maybe won the super Bowl that year, but
they the Falcons ended up scoring late after the Seahawks
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took a late lead in a divisional playoff game against Atlanta.
But that was kind of like, Okay, this team is
here to stay. Won the super Bowl the next year,
then went to the Super Bowl and then the interception
at the goal line. That's like phase one. Then it
was the next couple of years where Doug, they just
weren't they weren't going to go back to the super Bowl.
You thought maybe they were, because they never got over it, correct, correct,
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never got past it. Then at that point when legion
of boom kind of moves out. This is twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty in the conversation that was brought up of
Brian Schottenheimer and Pete Carroll at odds with the offense
because Russ was cooking early on in that COVID season.
Then turned the ball over a couple of times, had
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a bad game against the Bills, and everything changed. But
when you asked me earlier, like, was he headed to
the Hall of Fame at this end of his time
in Seattle, Yeah, he was. The next year, he suffers
that finger injury on a think a Thursday night game
where his finger was dislocated. We had heard all the
saw the videos of him warming up and taking reps,
and you're like, all right, this is you know, what's
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this all about? But when he actually came back, he
wasn't the same. He wasn't the same quarterback. And then
that ends up kind of being the downfall and goes
to Denver after that. But in twenty twenty, the first
aff of twenty twenty, he was well on his way
to being a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah. It is crazy how quickly those things change. It's
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Also should
be pointed out that Mike Kafka, like, I don't know
this to be a fact, but generally what happens. We
did wonder why Jamis wasn't selected as the starter. Instead
(11:30):
it was Russell Wilson. Why Jamis didn't get opportunities when
Dark got hurt. Instead, it was Russell Wilson, and I
do think that today's announcement that Jamis is the starter
when Kafka takes over, tells you, tells you the dynamic
you had within that those offices. Right, Jamis was Kafka's guy.
(11:50):
Russell Wilson was probably Dables guy or Dabole To old
Russell Wilson, I can fix you. I can get either
way that there was some sort of commitment there to
Russell Wilson, I in all honesty, huh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I for how day Ball responded, and I think that
you're how you lay it out is correct. But with
the whole tenth thing on that Thursday night I've just done.
Not only was it like let's get Jackson Dart back
in the game, it's let's get Russell Wilson out of
the game. Yes, I'm curious on like where that edict
actually came from. I don't know if it was. I
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get what you're saying. I totally think it plays out
like that, but it's just weird and because it doesn't
seem like day Ball and Russell Wilson would have personalities
that would that would mesh.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
No but no, but but maybe there was something James,
here's James Quinston after being name starter for the Giants.
Do you want fans to know about you?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I'm on fans to know that I'm gonna do my best,
you know, obtually, I'm going to have fun, but I'm
going to execute, have a surgical execution, and just and
just play ball, man, Like this is something I've been
doing since I've been four years old, and I just to.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Do it in the greatest city in the world. I'm
gonna be saying, what, my son, what's the greatest city
in the world.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, that's a Hamilton reference.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
If y'all I don't know, uh hard not to like Jamis.
He is a little bizarre. But for whatever reason, you
got the bizarre with Jamis where it makes you smile.
You got the bizarre with Russell when you're just like,
I don't get it, I don't get it. Here's the
other thing with Russell Wilson and and this is not
crap on Russell Wilson day, Okay, but I have never ever,
(13:33):
ever seen a quarterback who's won a Super Bowl and
not have anybody who played with him come to his
defense and be like, no, no, no, he's awesome. Can you
think of that? Uh, Dan Bayer, can you think of
anybody who just there's no one who's his boys who
play with him? See how like that's my dog, that's
my ride or die? I can't be Russell Wilson is
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the goat. No, I don't have that with him. No,
it's a weird digamic.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
And you know what the funny thing is is, I
actually think that you had that in a short stint
at Wisconsin. And I don't know if it was fame
or what it was, or if it was the thing
against Legion of Boom, but I felt like when Russell
Wilson entered the NFL and entered the draft like he did,
he was quite the story. In fact, there was almost
a little victimhood for how the NC State thing came out.
(14:25):
And then look at how well he played in the
one season at Wisconsin and leading them and having a
great year, and then yeah, then it all changed.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
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Speaker 1 (14:46):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So Dan,
the new colleg Swall playoff rankings, came out last night,
and it matters, but it doesn't matter, as we all
kind of know, right And by saying it doesn't matter,
it doesn't matter because they can move around hoever they want.
And you know, this is what I tell you all
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the time in regards to the NCAA tournament, which I
think people are coming around to, which is they do
have kind of rules and parameters for where you're supposed
to place teams, but at the end of the day,
end of the day, it's you get to vote your
conscious whatever you think. As a sitting athletic director, that's
really that's really how it goes. And you know, it's
(15:32):
like we could sit there and go like, well, I
you know, they violated this core tenet of what they do.
Well they're allowed to because at the end of the day,
it's just people voting for teams that they like. What's
the biggest surprise to you, Dan.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Buyer, There really wasn't much of a surprise, as much
of the top of the bracket stayed the same. The
thing that I always look at is what does the
bracket look like once the rankings are released? And I
am still a year and a half into this format,
undecided on what is better, but I think I'm leaning
(16:09):
towards a certain way. Doug. Remember last year when Oregon
had to play Ohio State in the Rose Bowl, and
I guess people felt Oregon kind of got the raw
end of the deal. They got to face a conference
opponent in the quarterfinals of it, and maybe they shouldn't
have had to. They shouldn't have had to face a
team that wants revenge. How about setting up a bracket
(16:32):
where Texas and Texas Tech play each other in the
first round, with the winner facing Texas A and M Like,
that would be magnificent. And if you can get an
Oregon an Ohio State rematch or in this case, like
if they don't play this year, viewer wise, the bracket
sets up eight to nine matchup is Oregon against Notre Dame,
(16:53):
winner gets Ohio State in a bowl game. How magnificent
is that? So when I see some of these matchups,
I look at that Oregon eight nine game in that
Ohio State game, and you say, wow, that could be
two great matchups. We see Texas Ole miss Yeah, that
could be fun. Winner gets Indiana. But I think there's
better ways to do the bracket. So when I see
(17:15):
the bracket and how it lays out, I would like,
let's let's really do this with conscious matchups on our mind.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So the opposite of the way the NCAA tournament tries
to report themselves. We're like, well, we don't do matchups.
We just do one to sixty eight.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yes, but we do know, Oh my goodness, Kansas against Arkansas,
winner gets Saint Johnny.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
How that work?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's how I think it should be here.
How great would that be for the state of Texas?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Be amazing? Amazing? And people would want to go to
the games, which is all part of it. Yes, trying
to side a champion, but we wanted to people go
to the games. And if you have it all in
state of Texas, then the early games are on campus,
they can go on It's Texas went, they can go
to those games as well. Yeah, yeah, easier access. I
agree with you. Let's bring in r J. Young. He
hosts the Number one show on Fox Sports, which of
(18:06):
course is a huge college football platform. He joins to
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. RJ, what
do you think of the latest bracket?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I think that this committee doesn't exactly know what it's doing.
It's contradicting itself, it's talking itself into circles. Mac Rodes
didn't know whether or not he we should consider Texas
Tech at number four, and they seem to love Iowa
in a way that Iowa fans don't even love Iowa.
I'm with Dan on this. It doesn't make a lot
of sense to me. But I think that's also because
(18:37):
this is much more of a black box than we
expected it to be. One guy's explaining the decisions of
a whole group of people in a room that are
we think coming to some consensus, but we don't know.
And the more I look at this, the more I'm going,
why don't we just let the scoreboard do the talking
as opposed to letting the suits tell us what they
think about a two lost or even a three lost
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team being ranked in top twenty.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Five stug Outlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So
what's the one team who's ranking you like the least?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Goodness me, what the hell is Miami doing at number fifteen?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Dougs?
Speaker 3 (19:13):
What is Miami doing representing the pride of the ACC
right now? It's because the explanation that mac Rhodes gave
doesn't really wash. He basically said that the ACC doesn't
have a good non conference win outside of Miami's win
against Notre game, which is its way of saying, we
don't care that the ACC beats up on each other,
but we've seen the care that the Big twelve does,
(19:34):
that the Big ten does, that the SEC does. But
we're just going to probe the entire ACC out the window. Well,
I think the team that might be the best in
that entire conference is actually ranked the furthest back of
the teams that are ranking ACC and Pitt, like I
said last week, they're my sleeper right now, and I
think that that team is getting a raw deal by
this committee, mostly because all this committee has done is
(19:55):
watch Miami or maybe watch football, not even sure that's
what they're doing on saturdays.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Like you me, well, I'll challenge you in the pit
thing who has Pitt beaten that that would bring you
to that conclusion. They're wins. I'll reach you their wins.
Du Cane Central Michigan, Boston College, who hasn't won an
ACC game, Florida State, who's one in five in the ACC,
Syracuse is one in six in the AECU, NC State,
(20:22):
who's two and three in the ACC and Stanford, who's
two and five in the ACC. Their losses are to Louisville,
who's at the towards the top of the league, and
West Virginia, who's middle of the pack in the Big twelve.
So where's the meat on the bone that would lead
you to think that Pitt is somehow getting a raw.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Deal that beat the hell out of NC State while
NC State beat the hell out of Georgia Tech. Does
a lot of work for me. That's a common opponent
that does a lot of work for me.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Now, so you're you're going, you're going, you're going transitive property.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, I'm going I'm going until I get a head
to head that I can use, like say versus Georgia Tech. Right,
I'm going with this. And let's keeping in mind they
got to play Notre Dame this weekend. Pat guard Uzy
basically saying the quiet part out loud. Why do we
let Notre Dame act like a GDI, because that's just
what we do. But if they beat Notre Dame, this
is a different discussion altogether. They have a great win.
(21:13):
I want them to prove it, like you right against
better competition. But right now, given what they did in
NC State and what NC State did to Georgia Tech,
I'm inclined to believe they're better than Miami. I don't
know that they're better than Georgia Tech, but we get
a chance to find that out a little bit later
on this month. R. J.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Young's our guest here in the Doug Outlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. I will tell you one thing that
I find really hard is you know you have you
have what is it, five SEC teams in the top twelve,
but so many of them at the end of the
year are competing against teams who have fired their coaches.
So while I don't think I know the SEC is,
(21:52):
without any question, the deepest and best league in the country,
the disparity between teams that are playing for something and
teams are playing for nothing is could not be more stark.
I mean, like, look, obviously Alabama Oklahoma gigantic game for
both teams, especially for you, but I mean Alabama kind
(22:13):
of out of the woods after this game with Eastern Illinois,
which they got and then it was a setup for
Auburn and Alburn fired you freeze, how much have the
coaching changes mid season changed the traject What the SEC
is going to look like at the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Well, I think you got to take you on account
that the power teams are still going to play powers. Right,
So while yes, they have fired their coaches, you also
got in Eastern Illinois on the menu, right, You've got
some really bad games on the menu for SEC competition.
But Oklahoma does have to play Alabama, right, and Alabama
will get the beat up on Auburn. But before that,
they already beat Georgia on the road. They've done enough
(22:48):
for me A and M in Texas. They still got
to play each other this Oklahoma LSU game. It might
not matter if Alabama beats Oklahoma. I'm not so caught
up on the coaches that got fired in the Florida
and the LSU of at all. I'm more caught up
in are we going to rank these teams accordingly? If say,
Oklahoma and Alabama's a one score game, is that still
(23:09):
gonna make Oklahoma a top twelve team? Or is that
still gonna make Alabama a top twelve team? Because the
way in which they have articulated their point here, like
BYU taking the lost tex attack their first lost season.
They took a five spot penalty for getting beat by
a team that we all think is really damn good.
So I'm not sure that I'm gonna have that argument
(23:29):
that you're having about what we're doing with the SEC
in the bat Calf. It's more like, are they going
to stick to the criteria that they've already laid out
in that they already think the SEC is valuable? They
always there, already think the SEC is good. And are
we even going to see any movement among those top
twelve with those SEC teams not having to play you know,
let's say, class competition except once or twice the rest
(23:50):
of the way. R. J.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Young's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. There are are all these big jobs
in the SA. Who's the big name who moves into
the league, that moves.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Into the league WHOA That's a very good question. You know,
I'm gonna I'm gonna take a flyer on this, and
I'm gonna say, Bob Chesney at James Madison's been doing
a really damn good job coming in from Holy Cross,
took over the the basically the monster that Kurt Signetty
built and did not run it into the ground. He's
made it into a really great program. They're undefeated in
conference play. Their only loss is to Louisville. Right, that's one.
(24:26):
But until recently I would have told you Ryan Silverfield
at Memphis, I think the loss to Tulane doesn't help him.
And there's already a whole bunch of people that think
that John somemmer All at Tulane's a great fit for
one of these I see huge jobs, But the one
that he's most fit for is Lane Kiffins if you
want to, and I don't think the port is gonna
do that. So those are my two. Ryan Silverfield and
Bob Chesney.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Awesome stuff. R j O U Alabama. The suitors win.
If what.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
If John Mattier plays the kind of football that he
played before he broke his hand, That's it. What I
have not seen that guy?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
What happened? What happened? It was like it was the
greatest hire of offensive coordinator combined with quarterback we'd ever seen. Like, Man,
as soon as they got this thing figured out, Man,
the tier's gonna win the Heisman. It's you know, start
putting the statue out there with all the rest of
the Heisman statues. He breaks his head. Okay, I understand
he kind of rushed him back against Texas. That happens,
(25:21):
but he hasn't been the same since what happened.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I'm gonna I'm gonna counter with Lincoln Riley Baker Mayfield.
But that's beside the point. The other the other thing
that has happened here is and I was told I
told a friend this, The sec made that man mortal.
Like if you look at what he was doing before
he got to Oklahoma at Washington State, he was not
doing it against power for competition. I was loud about
that part. I was gonna hate. I understand this guy
Baker Mayfield to many, but until he does it against
(25:45):
class competition, let's wait. And then he did it against Michigan,
and then he did it again against an Auburn team
we thought was good at the time with ranked in
top twenty five. Now we know they're bad. Right They
beat him out South Carolina, but that doesn't matter. They
got hammered by Texas. They couldn't quite come back against
Ole Mis And I think for him it's mostly people
have figured out he is an athlete at quarterback. He's
a high school shortstop. Playing quarterback means he's gonna airmail
(26:08):
some passes, means he's not gonna be as accurate. And
if you take away his run lanes and you force
everybody else to do some work, you make Oklahoma into
a one dimensional team. If he can round himself into
a quarterback this weekend, like say Ty Simpson or Fernando Mendoza,
we'll throw him in fans, they win. But if he
can continue to play like he has, they're gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
It's that simple, ar Jie, great stuff, man, Enjoy the games,
enjoy the weekend. Let's catch up soon. Thanks for our
guest on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Radio, Doug, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
That's r J. Young. It's the number one show on
Fox Sports covering and focusing on college football. This is
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. It is interesting, right,
how we get now to November and this weekend. Gigantic,
gigantic games, but they do feel a little weird. You
(26:57):
have a bunch of big name ring schools on the road,
even South Florida at Navy. That ain't gonna be easy. Obviously,
Navy loose missed their quarterback last week Michigan at Northwestern, No.
Dame at Pittsburgh, South Carolina at A and m wis Constant, Indiana.
You have the ranked teams at home. Are interesting, but
usually they survived. It's what happens when the ranked teams
go on the road and play. You know, Virginia at
(27:20):
Duke Iowa USC Brad Beal as a fracture in his hip,
right fracture in his hip. Remember, Beal signed a two
year deal, different contract now than the gargantian one he
brought over from the Wizards when he was with the Suns.
Two year deal. I think it was like eleven million
(27:42):
dollars with the Clippers, so it doesn't hurt them as
much financially. But has anyone had a worse offseason and
early interregular season. I mean, Nico Harrison probably be the guy,
and the Mavericks are all banged up. But the Clippers
you have the the Pablo Tory investigation of the signing
(28:03):
and re signing of Kawhi Leonard and what it means
for the team going forward, and then you have Brad
beal fractures hip missed the entire season. That Clipper curse
is a real thing. That Clipper curse is a real thing.
(28:24):
Brad Beal fractures his hip, don't worry about it. You
know they'll count on more. Chris Paul.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yes, we would talk about Russell Wilson and leaving Seattle
and what has gone wrong? Oh, I mean Bradley Beal
had a nice NBA career. Yeah, and then all of
a sudden he gets thrown in the laundry of trying
to form big threes and big four's and whatever. And
now we look at Bradley Beal's career as something completely different.
(28:52):
If he just would have stayed in Washington and wrote
it out, we would have been like, man, too bad,
Bradley Bill didn't get to go to a winner. He
was a heck of a player. Now we're like, Bradley
Beal now injured.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
He stinks. That's that's how you look at it. He
stinks he was best. Now he's become best player and
a bad team. I fully agree with you. The other
guy who's like that, obviously is Dame Lillard, Right. Dame
Lillar was man, you gotta get him out of Portland.
He was loyal to Portland. He gets out of Portland
and Milwaukee goes from championship team to they're not competing
(29:24):
for it, coaches get fired, then he tears his achilles tendon.
Now he's back in Portland.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I would say at least with Dame he did some
of the things, maybe not to the level in Portland
where Beal has just seemingly been a shadow of who
he is. Dame did hit some game winners, just didn't
seem like he and Giannis mixed like he could never
you could never make it work.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
But man, I would also say that, like, did any
of us actually watch Brad Beal play when he correct Yes,
like he made have been terrible. I don't know nobody
watched him.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yep. I think it's a great point.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
It is one of those things where we make it
out like the worst thing you can do as a
competitive man is go like, now I'm good, I'm good.
But if you look at it from a different perspective,
by the time you get thrown into those hyper competitive environments,
you're usually not the player used to be. Oh yeah,
by the way, your offseason started a little bit earlier
with no stress. Nobody ever blamed it on Brad Beal,
(30:23):
even when the whole team depended on Brad Beal. Then
he's like the third option and everybody's like, dude, Brad
Beal stinks.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Let's blame it all on Beal. Correct, It's not Booker
Durant's fault.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Nope, never never cut up with The Doug Gottlieb Show.
Who had a better career so far? Jamis or Mariota?
We'll discuss next.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
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(31:12):
get a damn buyer for a game.
Speaker 5 (31:16):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
What do you out there? Dan?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
All right? Doug? The game today is for better or worse?
All right? First topic, fixing games. You can take this
wherever you want, Doug. For better or worse Major League
Baseball versus the NBA.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Fixing games? I think Major League Baseball because it's been
done at a higher level before.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Better or it's worse.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Oh yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So it's worse if you're worse throwing balls into the dirt?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Oh wow, I think is wow, that's so hard. I
think it's worse if you're football because of your alignment
and you let a guy run though you get your
quarterback hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, so we've went option to see on this.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I'm gonna say football is the worst.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Alright, this is incredible. For better or to give you
fifty to fifty and you're going to choose the third one,
we should call those better worse?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh sorry, it's NBA. My bad, I'm looking at the
list here. It's NBA. Uh. What's worse? MLB is worse
because of the Black Sox scandal, because everybody you know
if they've had a legit huge scandal involving the World Series.
Major League Baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Final answer, all right, for better or worse?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Better?
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
For better or worse? Career, we'll put it that way
Jamis Winston versus Marcus Mariota.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Am I allowed to count high college sure than Jameis Winson? Better, better, better,
really win national championship. Mariota did win nation hip, he
won a Heisman.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
He did get to the National championship game against Dan
Bayer and they lost to Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I'm gonna go Jamis Winston, all right. Mariota had a
couple better years, more solid years in the NFL. Jamis
had some wild you know, the thirty touchdown thirty interception year,
but winning a national championship I think is put to them
over the top.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Both starting games in twenty twenty five after they were
the first two picks in twenty fifteen. Also interesting, Jamis
has played in slightly more games. He's thrown for significantly
more yards, but again, that wasn't Mariota's entire game. Mariota
(33:51):
more a runner than Jamis ever was interceptions. Jamis one
hundred and eleven, Mariota fifty nine. Well, just some interesting
stats along the way, fantasy points, as we all care about,
Jamis leads and Pro Bowls. Jamis one to none against
Marcus Mariota.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Would you agree? You said a surprise when I said.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That, Yeah, because I think that Mariota's bounced around in
places where like in Atlanta, He's maybe going to get
an opportunity. He's carved his rollout in Washington, led the
Titans to playoff victory when he was in Tennessee. And
(34:39):
I think the thing that we remember most about Jamis's
career is the thirty thirty. It's the eating the w
where I actually had actually had football success memories from
Mariota in meaningful games, not Jamis, like on Thursday Night
football on the Browns beating the Steelers or whoever it was.
(35:00):
So that that's why I was a little thrown off.
I thought I was actually gonna be Mariota. But National
Championship carries a big, big weight, all right. Dougs for
Better or Worse? Second year quarterback Caleb Williams versus Jayden
Daniels versus Drake May.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Drake May better? Who is the first one because Jane Daniels,
And who's the throw one? Caleb Williams Caleb Williams. I
put Caleb Williams worse, Jay Datas in the middle.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
For better or worse. Doug International Game Germany versus Spain,
Spain this week.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Into Spain, but I'd surely like to get.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
There Germany last week in Berlin and Berlin.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
If you get to stop it's the gentleman, it's the
Berlin Wall. I'm gonna go Spain. I got caught in
a a. It was an Instagram like stop, I.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Share place some money on that.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The laugh laugh, The laugh is what did it? The
laugh is what did it? They were doing great until that. Laughs. Yeah.
I saw this thing on TikTok or Instagram that San Sebastian, Spain.
Do you know San Sebastian, Spain has more Michelin Star
restaurants than anywhere else in the world, any city in
(36:23):
the world.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And the game is not in San Sebastian, Spain. But
I just wanted to throw that nugget out because I
saw on Instagram. And if it's on Instagram, it wants
to be true.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Finally, Doug for Better or Worse twin city and you
in Minneapolis or a Saint Paul guy.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well, we play in Saint Paul tomorrow night against the
Tommy's the Saint Thomas, and then we play in Minneapolis
on Saturday night against the Gophers. I'm gonna go just Minneapolis.
I haven't spent a ton of time in Saint Paul.
We will over the next two nights and I'll report back.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, maybe a new verdicts next week. And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
Game correct me.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
If I'm ranch kill, all the golfers will lock you
up and throwing the key. They're paternal twin cities, paternal twins.
I wish somebody had say another paternal fraternal twin cities
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