July 16, 2025 • 39 mins
Doug talks about the MLB All-Star game and how the game was decided with a Swing-Off. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about golf, Bill Belichick and other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "For Better Or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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As we react to last night's All Star Game and
a lot of takeaways, we'll get to them in a moment.
John Mindocaff will join us as we're getting closer and
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I watched last night's All Star Game, not not first
to last pitch. I'm not going to sit here and lie,
but I did actually see national anthem, and then I
was you know, I played I think nine holes yesterday
and then was having a couple of beverages watching the
first couple innings, went to a buddy's house and watched
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the last couple innings, and when it went to extra innings,
this was one of those I just kind of be
honest with you. I had no idea that's how they
decided the All Star Game. None, and I'm guessing none
of us did. Jay stud Did you have any idea
that they did a swing off?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Nope, not a bit. Didn't know one thing about it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'm not I'm not a bashed to say that I
didn't know. The only thing I knew heading into this
All Star Game was two things. One Miss Rowski was
a controversial pick, and two that they were going to
use abs and and we'll see kind of how it looked. Okay,
so I'm gonna offend defend Ken Rosenthal against Eric Hosmer,
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who's like, dude, you not get the job that you
actually have. Now we'll get to that in a second.
And then you know, ABS was great. It was like cyclops.
It's like the tennis thing. You're like, man, why haven't
had that sooner? And the answer is they actually do
have it in the minor leagues. I don't know what
we're waiting for. That thing was fantastic. You just touch
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your helmet, they review it. It shows in the replay like, oh,
look at that just yea, just not merely a strike.
And I said this on the podcast, they'll say it
for real here, which is I kind of think last
night in the ABS, I gotta be honest. I think
the umpster a little bit better. We give them credit.
He's like, man, that's really really close. That's really really hard.
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There's no way that the human eye can actually see
baller strike when it's that close. You're guessing, and if
you say otherwise, you're lying. Like it's really hard. You
gotta be really good and you're gonna make mistakes. But
I do think that Baseball has done a bad job,
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just like hockey. It's like hockey, isn't overtime in hockey,
like three on three with a goalie, But most people
don't know that because they don't want regular season hockey.
Like I had no idea, Like, yeah, it's like a
different sport. So here's what happens. Okay. Each league got
to send up three hitters who each got three swings apiece.
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Whichever side had the most total homers would win the game.
That's really how they decided the All Star Game. The
National League came out on top thanks to Schwarber. He
had three homers in his three swings. In total the NFL,
the NL had four homers compared to three for the
American League, and it was six to six at the
end of nine. So I was entertained. Although I do
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think that one of the things Baseball's All Star Game
has to kind of figure out is, you know, the
game is generally start the stars and get them in early,
and then get them out of the game. So All
Star Games are usually decided by guys. You're like, I've
never heard of this guy. He's the one pick a
team who they had to have have an All Star.
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You know Matt Olsen for example, who a couple of
years ago amazing, but this year not amazing. And he
was the Braves guy and the brave slugger, and he
was playing first base late in the game, at bat
late in the game. It is fine because he's been
an All Star caliber player before in his career, but
really not this year. Only reason he was there because
it was the Braves in Atlanta. They needed a player.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Do I think it's the best way to decide a game?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Did I think it was entertaining? Yeah? Is it different? Yeah,
it's an All Star game. I'm not offended. Is anybody
offended by it? Sam? Are you offended by it? You're like,
this is a travesty and a mockery, a travish mockery
the swing off. Yes.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh I At first I thought Jason Stewart would it
would elicit some kind of you're annoying, But we all
kind of came to the same conclusion that it was fun.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Fun. Did you know it was coming?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Because I mean, when's the last time an All Star
Game ended in a tie?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Milwaukee?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I think you know too, right, Okay, well a long
time ago, so I yeah, And I don't think they
had this rule at that time.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So no, that was the tie. That was when they
started to go it means more and they start having
it decided to home field advantage.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I enjoyed it, though, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Jay stuh?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, I enjoyed it. I thought, uh, I had no
idea what was coming. The swing off was weird. Of course,
the first thing you ask yourself, they didn't. I don't
think they did a great job of explaining this. And
as it did, I missed it. Why wasn't Judge and
on show?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Hey? Uh in At the end, I guess it's been tame.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Were they gone?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They took off?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, I thought they were gone. I mean that's that again.
That's part of the deal is they come in and
they're like, I'm good, I'm done. Okay, I'm gonna just
Irish exit at the back door. We did establish it's
the Iris exit, right, because the Italian exit has got
to be everybody's got to know that you're going, and like, hey,
Joey's going, Joey's gone, Hey Joey's.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Ravens kissed him goodbye. The Irish is iris so blacked
out drunk, you wander out the back door.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I did not say that you did. I know that
you're right, but again, you wander out the back door.
So Aaron Judge, show hey, o Tani Irish exit. I
was thinking the same thing, and I again, I was
as at a buddy's house who has a big golf
sim and then a couple of big TVs. And we're watching.
We're like tied, and we're like tied again, now what
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and then all of a sudden they start doing the
swing off. I wasn't really paying attention, like wait, that's
this is what they do. And no one in the
room had any idea. And they were much bigger baseball
fans than I were. And somebody did ask like we're
show hey, Whereas I was like they they I'm sure
they were out of there because I remember Derek Jeter,
like in his last All Star game, was like second
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inning and then all of a sudden, there's like a plane.
They're like, there goes Jeter's playing. Those dudes are out out.
I heard Collins say that it was the greatest All
Star game he'd watched. What was that in years or
in a year or ever. I'm not sure a bit
of hyperbole, but it would actually actually be accurate for
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me because I never watched All Star games. So yeah,
it was good. It's a good celebration in the sport.
It was fine. You know, it ends up essentially being
a tie and then you have kind of a creative ending.
I'm not offended by any of it. The only thing
that I was left walking away from the game was
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how have we waited this long for ABS? And imagine
the fact that we don't have it for the second
half of the year. We'd like just had it for
the All Star Game. Clearly works pretty easy. It's been
used in the minor league, so it's not like last
night was the first night. Like they're way past the
beta testing and you're sitting there thinking why would we
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go without this? It's so much better, and it's better
for the umpires, you know, call your ball, call your strike,
and then people are going to see when you miss,
when you make a mistake, you're making mistake by like
a millimeter. So I think most people thought I could
(08:56):
be wrong. Most people thought that ABS would make the
umpires look like clowns because of how badly they missed
ball and strike calls. I think that's a fair fair
perception to have. Oh, it's just going to show how
bad these three blind mice are. Reality is, it's really hard.
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The margin is so very slight. And of all of
those calls, some were reversed, some were not. Again, you're
talking about a speck of a baseball coming in low
to mid to upper nineties and you got to make
a split second call on a millimeter or less of
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baseball and whether or not it comes to in the zone.
ABS was a win, with the exception of the fact
that it's been ready to be used for two years now.
It makes the umpires look better or not worse. Everybody
likes it. It's quick, it's easy, it doesn't actually extend
the game, and yet we're still not going to have
it for the rest of the season. Do you know why?
(10:06):
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Speaker 3 (10:24):
Swarmer in the air to center field, headed towards the
wall A.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Center.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
It's huge for the Factional League. They're within one, so
there you go.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
He said, if he could get it on his first swing,
and he did, sor bars in the.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
All Star Game, tied it free.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
That's MVP material.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
If he gets the third one right here, they are
rallied in the game.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
And now has rallied in the swing of track out
shop House nationally.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
It takes to leave three.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
That's calls on Fox Sports. Is the guy who's had
a lot of fun with it. It's a good way
to end it. Again. I'm not a huge home run
derby guy, but when a little home run derby breaks
out to decide the All Star Game, I'm all for.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show and coming up next
live here on Foxsports Radio. Uh uh, Bill Belichick and
(11:28):
Robert Craft are not letting bygones be bygones? How bad
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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So do
you remember Robert Craft and Bill Belichick and how that
thing ended in New England? You're like, well, they didn't
seem to like each other very much and then they
had the kind of awkward should we hugged, we shake hands?
At his retirement press conference. Here's Robert Craft on Dudes
(12:16):
on Dudes as the Edelman and Gronk podcast talking about
when he hired Bill Belichick in ninety nine.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I think getting Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots
in nineteen ninety nine it was a big risk, and
I got hammered in the Boston media. But I think
he was with us for twenty four years and we
did okay.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, And he's saying it's a big risk because you know,
he didn't win in Cleveland and he did okay, did okay.
Fascinating way to put it okay in a statement. Belichick
responded by saying that he made a similar leap when
he signed from the Jets in order to come to
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New England. As I told Robert multiple times through the years,
I took a big risk by taking the Patriots head
coaching job. I already had the opportunity to be the
head coach of the New York Jets, but the ownership
situation was unstable. I had been worn by multiple previous
Patriots coaches as well as other members of NFL organizations
(13:27):
in the media, that the New England job was going
to come with many internal obstacles. I made it clear
that we would have to change the way the team
was managed to regain the previously attained success. So everybody's
trying to claim victory here. You know, Robert Kraft like man,
I took a big risk and it seemed to work out, okay,
(13:49):
Bill Beolutz looks like no. I took a big risk
and it seemed to work out. Okay. Huge egos. Do
I think that Craft getting out of the way is
actually a really good move for the team. It was
clearly and again, as an owner, he wants to take
credit for staff, where technically he did own the team.
(14:11):
Technically he did sign off on it, but technically the
best thing he did was play zero part in the
actual football operations. So congrats to you. I'd actually sided
with Belichick, but I don't really understand Belichick's desire to
extract some sort of gratification and a win out of
this discussion. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast.
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here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, John Mittalcoff joins
this three and out is in fact the podcast, but
(14:54):
he also has to Going Low podcast. I used to
be a club thrower, a mutterer, but I just I'm
not good enough, nor do I play or practice enough
to be that guy. What do you like on a
bad day on the course.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I'm with you. When I was younger, I was you know,
my dad probably wanted to kill me. It's a it's
an awful look, I would say, as I've gotten into
my thirties. I just enjoy being outside in the sun.
So whether I'm shooting seventy five or ninety. The occasional
f bomb, but the days of throwing clubs and kicking
in you know, lockers like Wyndham Clark are long gone.
(15:32):
The occasional you know, throw your hands up in the air,
that's human, like Scotty did last week. But the what
Wyndham Clark this year has been on a tear Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No doubt about it. What do you think of again?
I know we used talk football, but you also do
the golf podcast. Scotti Scheffler's remarks yesterday in regards to
just kind of being empty after winning majors, especially the
two Masters.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
You know what's funny is I I'm glad you talked
about this because I saw you you talk about this yesterday.
I think I thought on social media for about eight minutes.
I think there are a lot of different variables because
I know your take and the emotion with some of
these younger guys never used to get talked about that.
There was a clip I thought today probably about an
hour ago, as Rodris Harrington, you know who's a Tiger
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generation was almost offended. You know, He's like it was
you know, what's he even talking about. I think there
are some parallels. Remember a couple of years ago, Adam
Silver said all this players are miserable. Yeah, and Scott
I would say, Scottie Scheffler over the last eighteen months
starting last year through this year's probably made a hundred
million dollars. He made sixty five last year just on
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the course. So if you factor in Nike, which he's
obviously him and Rory are their lead dogs. By winning
those tournaments, winning the Major as, the bonuses he got
might have been twenty million Taylor made. He's made so
much money where he's like he could quit today and
financially never. I do think that has ramifications. And I
(17:03):
think the NBA is the same way. It's like you're playing.
Kevin Durant was a good example. He's like I won,
No one really cared, and then like it's like what
do I do now?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And I think these guys now because they live on
social media, Scotty, not necessarily, but they have so much
money and the accomplishment. Like back in the day, even
like when Tiger first started, you just you were constantly
climbing because you had to earn it. You had to
earn it. Now it's like, if you do have success,
you get paid so much money, and I do think
that just warps you know, in your twenties, how you
(17:36):
just think about things.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But I also say.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
This, you know Scotty's comments, if you just read them,
you'd be like, God, this guy doesn't really care. Like
his actions speak differently. Right, He's won essentially fifteen sixteen
times over the last two years, so he's his effort
and how much he tries. It's not like he's been
phased by the money. But you could argue if you
watch that whole thing, he's kind of talking out of
(18:01):
both sides of his mouth because he says he gets
emotional when he cries, but also what's it all for?
But it's not like he's lazy, right, it's not. You know,
he's working just as hard as you'd say, like, well,
Mahomes and Kelsey are still on the grind even after
all the championship, Like Scotty's still working like he's Tiger.
But I do think there's that generation of guy. I mean,
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even Rory won the Masters and he's like, I'm kind
of over it now, you know. So can you imagine
Tiger or Brady or MJ talking like that? You're Kobe,
no chance.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Now, I think there's a lot to it. I also
think I don't know what youth golf is like, but
I can tell you that there's been a lot of
squessions about like youth basketball, and there are so many
more tournaments that winning one isn't as special as it
used to be. Now granted you're talking about majors, you're
talking about the Masters, there's only one, but when you've
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played in you know, five ex to tournaments of other people,
then winning one does not seem like at nearly as
big a thing. I mean, look that that By the way,
that's a comment that everyone I know was talking about yesterday.
That's really the interesting part about.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It every day, I know, in fairness, you know, he
didn't he mentioned like regular PG events like the Byron
Nelson in his backyard. He didn't mention the Masters, which
I obviously means a lot to no matter who. I
do think there's some you know that's where the NBA
comp you know, or just basketball, like regular season game
like what is this? Who cares? And like winning a
regular PGA event, who cares? You know, I think there's
(19:32):
some element to what he said that parallel is like
football world, right, whenever you win a game. Let's say
we're watching Sunday Night Football and the Chiefs beat the Broncos,
and your interviewing Patrick Mahomes, He's like, well, we gotta
we gotta stay focused because we've got the Chargers coming up.
It's just isn't that kind of sports Like you're just
always kind of on to the next thing. So, I
don't know, there are a lot of angles to this.
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I do think his action back up that he really cares, right,
because he's been so good now two years. It's not
like he's resting on his laurels, right, He's grinding and practicing.
And he even't mentioned that that's the weird That's what
I'm saying. He was kind of just kind of randing.
But it's not like he had one specific point beside like, yeah,
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sometimes you win, you realize like no one actually cares
after a while.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's turn to the National Football League. Oh so many
little kind of little stories sort of kind of to
get through and to kind of sort of figure out.
By the way Barry Sanders' birthday is today, I bring
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it up. I bring it up because you know, like
anytime you think somebody had a great year in college football,
check out Barry Sanders year, You're like, oh, I was,
I was a lot a lot better. I think that
Saquan is the first guy who I can actually have
a reasonable conversation that does some of those freaky things.
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He had great backs, like Dereck Henry's a great back,
like you kind of go back. There's there's been all
different big ones, little ones, Marshall fak Is, ability to
catch out of the backfield or whatever. But in terms
of doing things where you make people miss and you
jump over people or make them look almost like Keystone cops,
I think Saquon's the first guy since Barry Sanders to
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that am I forgetting anybody?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah? I think physically from a strength standpoint, that was
always the underrated part about like Barry, like his size,
how strong he was. I mean some of those epics
like him dragging guys that were holding on for dear life.
I would say that Barry was I mean in this
day and age, obviously, I mean he would dominate in
any air he was, he would have been viewed also
like an Lt. Marshall fall catching the ball. You know,
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I would say Saquon has solid hands, but I wouldn't
call him like Christian McCaffrey right now. He The difference
is like Barry, like you don't need to be a
great running back. You don't need exceptional like high end speed,
like you can be an all time grave like Frank
Gorey couldn't outrun anyone, but he's you're just a really
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really good player. Now if you do have the home
run hitting speed like Adrian Peterson, then it's like you
can be a major problem. And I think that like
that is Saquon's kind of curveball is like he gets
in the open field, he's literally faster than everyone else,
even McCaffrey. Let's assume he's healthy this year. You know
he's going to get caught a decent amount. And I
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would say Barry like Saquon, like they got in the
open field and there was green grass, and you know
bo Jackson, like they see you. So it's like and
that's what makes Saquon so fun is I think last
year well with a six or seven sixty plus yard runs,
and that's part of I mean, I would imagine anytime
you find a two thousand yard rusher, they had a
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decent amount of chunk runs, right, It's not all just
five and six yard carries.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, I mean he was he was so amazing, so
amazing last year. Okay, let's kind of go around the
league here. Let's start with I think the most interesting
team this year is to Steelers. We've talked about them
a good amount. Let's kind of start to getting to
the actual football league talkie. What do you think of
the roster compilation that they've made? Haven't extended TJ Watt
(23:20):
to this point? What do you think of what Pittsburgh
has roster wise hand of the year.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
You know, I think they're just so predicated on the
quarterback staying healthy and historically how often new guys wants
they get over forty. I mean, he's an injury that
maybe used to go away in a week and last
a month. He can't scramble around like he used to
when he's not you know, I mean, obviously a good
pocket player, but his game hasn't been predicated like Peyton
(23:48):
or Brady Worry. He just sits there his entire career,
because that's not how he had to play. So I
just what's more likely Rogers plays seventeen games and throws
thirty two touchdowns or you know, you look at Rogers
you know game log in ten years and he starts
nine of him because he has some injuries. So I
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think that's going to be the problem. I just have
a hard time seeing him play healthy and loot. They
say a lot of times happens in basketball too, like
the second year returning from the Achilles is when you
get it back. That's fine. But he's not thirty. He's
forty one. So even if he's a little sprier than
he was last year, it's clear he's he's not the
you know, kind of the young, vibrant guy that could.
(24:30):
He was never Lamar, but he could. Scrambling behind the
line of scrimmage was a huge part of his game.
I mean, hell, look at Russell Wilson, who feels like
he's gotten slower movement wise, behind the line of scrimmage
doesn't look nearly the same. And that's that was always
Roger's superpower. So if I'm a betting man, like there
is a case that if he were to get injured
this year, given their quarterback room, this could be the
(24:53):
year that I got The Steelers actually did go seven
and ten and it's a disaster. And they've already admitted,
Like I mean, they don't even have to admit, just
based on their roster, they don't have any backup plan
flash next year, it's like they would be in the
same position. So unless they were to win like two
or three games, it's not like they'd be drafting that high.
So I think they're they got problems.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, let's talk about this Shamar Stewart story.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Okay, So I hope, I hope he goes back to school.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That'd be sick.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Now do you do know? Okay, So let me lay
it out for people. Okay, uh, they hid in pass
in negotiations with the Bengals, right, and his agent excuse me.
Billy Hayen from the Sportingnews dot Com and Bud Elliott
from CBS Sports reported that he's fully involved in workouts
(25:41):
at text A and M, and both their sources say
could try and come back and play again the season
going to the draft next year. Here's the part that
people don't know. The Bengals still retain his rights whether
he goes back and plays or doesn't. Right, So like
I you say, hope he goes back and plays. Why
he went into the draft.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I just for the story, not that I just think
it'd be you know, the Bengals they're arguing. They're not
arguing over how much money they're going to pay them
the money set. It's just the dates. I mean, it's
it's pretty stupid. I also would love to you know,
like you know, twenty ten years ago, you'd be like, well,
this is never going to be allowed by the NC
Double A. These football programs now, I mean the NC
(26:24):
Double A in terms of their power, feels like they're
hanging on your life. So it just it just be chaotic.
And you know it's right up Texas A and M's
Valley too, they're they're a little bit of a renegade program.
I just the Bengals. I did the whole thing. I
signed me up. Do I think he's ended up going
to sign with the Bengals guests? But and the other
thing is he's been working out with text A and M.
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I bet most rookies like, yeah, they have an apartment,
they probably have girlfriends, Like they go back in the summer.
Where else are they going to go? And they usually
work out with their former teammates, especially these underclassmens. It's
like they literally buddy, so it's him working out with
tech A and M is not as crazy as it sounds.
When you factor in the other things of the story
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to got it, you might go back. I had been
a decent amount of guys that were just drafted have
spent the last several weeks back where they went to college,
uh and training with their either college strength coach their guys. Like,
that's pretty normal.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, Again, I don't know what level of working out
there is. I would say generally, you're right, but again
I don't know this time of year, our guys staying
up at their facilities and training. I mean that. Yeah,
the whole thing is super, super fascinating right here. The
Bengals are. They spent more money than they've ever spent
on offense. You draft a guy on defense and you
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got an agent holding you up looking for some contract.
I've this would be a disaster for the NFLPA, the
NFLPA because the NFL owners be like, hold on, dude,
we have a CBA. The kid declared, he got drafted.
What are you doing? What are you doing? This is
a terrible look for the Players Association if he doesn't
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sign a contract.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
There's already some I mean, the second round thing is
all these guys. You know that. I saw the forty
nine ers guy No showed everyone wants their contract fully guaranteed.
And you know, this story was kind of out of
left field because it's never really happened anymore. So I
text the buddy in the league. I said, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
And he's like, well, it's collusion between the agents. Let
me help you. Okay, Yeah, here's how it. Here's how it,
Here's how it worked. This is my again, and you
tell me if I'm wrong. Okay. Florio and uh okay,
what's uh part?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Pablo Pablo Torri. They had that story, which if you
read the story, it's actually kind of a nothing burger.
It just did. It's like it's like, you know, they
were like, hey, it's kind of dumb to do these
guarant contracts, guys, right, I fully guaranteed contracts. It's kind
of dumb in this sport case in point, that's a
that's a really bad deal. Right. There was no collusion
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to it as if they were including then they would
they would have held prices down, held guarantees down. They
have not. They have not. But it's again, I feel
like it's a what's the term they use in military
coordinated attack is a because this story comes out at
the exact same time that second round picks are like, hey,
I want my contract fully guaranteed. Just happens that happened
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at the same time.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
The reality is the most second round pick as you
get down from like thirty three to sixty it changed
a little bit, but a lot of guys from like
thirty three to fifty. Texting with some people that negotiate
these contracts, some of these guys are contract is like
close to ninety seven percent guaranteed before anyone's ever argued.
So it's like, now the number is smaller than the
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first rounders, but the vast majority of the contract is guaranteed.
It's not like gets fifty percent they're arguing for, you know,
the other fifty percent. Most of these guys the contracts
pull again, so they're really arguing over a pretty It
sounds a little crazier than actually it's kind of like
the Samark Stewart Chamar Stewart. I don't know the exact number,
(30:16):
but it's just arguing on the date he said. Let's
just say he wants the money January first, and they
want to pay him September first, you know, like year three.
So it's it's all kind of semantics, which again, as
numbers grow, which they continue to fly. I mean, we
just thought the Chiefs gave a guard seventy million dollars guarantee,
(30:38):
So it's the money's flowing, you know, more of this
stuff's going to happen. I mean, we've seen in basketball
forever the player empowerment. Well, when a player empowerment happened,
when the numbers got so enormous, it's like, we're not
going to you know, you kind of like draw a
line in the sand. And that's what I think the
players like. The NFL players, they do have more juice. Again,
(30:58):
it's on a relative scale than they they've ever had
by far, and I would imagine that we're gonna see
more and more of these things. I would guess this
upcoming couple weeks, we're gonna have more guys quote unquote
holding in or holding out than we've ever had. I mean,
do you remember like when you were in college or whatever,
like nineties, one guy you know throughout the league might
(31:20):
like an Am Smith and then over the years maybe
a couple. Now it fields like, I don't know, there's
gonna be ten plus Pro bowlers not show up here
in a week. And that's not even talking about the
second rounders.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm just talking about here's where's the here's the irony
to it. Right, A lot of this is empowered and
triggered by agents for sure. Okay, where all of these
fake numbers on guarantees, it's all about the agents and
their egos and their sale for the next client anyway. Right,
(31:52):
reality is, as you point out, there's still healthy guarantees
in there, well why do they have what it makes
one hundred and fifty, but it's a two could go
to fifty. That's for the agent. And so what's going
to happen is eventually you'll they'll get their way, but
just not in the way they think they're going to
get their way where they'll say like, oh, we want
fully guaranteed, Fine, we'll do fully guarantee. All these guys
would do full daring gig contracts. They're just not gonna
(32:14):
do the numbers that you think they're gonna do. That
would be my guess. So it is a it's the
old fashioned peeing contest. That's generally, yeah, generally what it is.
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But first, let's get to game time live.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
What do you have there, bonc On this some date,
We're gonna play.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
For better or worse?
Speaker 8 (34:17):
That's right, coach, I'm gonna give you options between one
or two things, and well, no, between two things. You're
gonna tell me which ones for better, which ones for worse?
All right, let's start here for better or worse? Starting
extra innings with a ghost runner at second base, or
we do a home run derby to determine a tie
(34:40):
game like we saw last night in the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I like the guy on second base, to be honest
with you. It doesn't bother me by the way, Jase
do again. I know we're asking what the average fan thinks.
I do believe that there's a greater than five percent
of people that don't know they start X ratings in
the regular season with the runner second base, You're probably right,
(35:08):
But Jason always gets on to me. He's like, hey, here,
we are like sports fans and we talk about all
the time. So we're asking ourselves what people who are
what narps think, right and.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
No, we lead the our show leads the country and
trying to guess what regular people are.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well, that was to take phone calls, and they were
like that that would be bad. Let's not do that.
Let's not do that. I like this starting on second
I thought it was cute for the All Star Game.
I don't think it's cool in real life.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Totally agree with you, coach, Totally agree all right.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
For better or worse for.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
The viewer experience, the human umpires or the ABS system,
the challenging system that they, you know, are trying to
bring abs.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, six days a week and twice on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Wow, Oh you really like that? Okay? Yeah, all right,
let's move on here. For better or for worse, Tyreek
Hill or Justin Jefferson on the hills heels of what
Randy Moss said regarding Tyreek that he's you know, nowhere
all time, probably a top five right now? Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I I think Tyreek Hill, Wow, I think Look, I
think Justin Jefferson is probably a better football player. Okay,
but Tyreek Hill has dominated games and dominated a Super Bowl.
Justin Jefferson has not. Let's not forget that, by the way.
Like I love Randy Moss, but Randy Moss, how many
(36:38):
Super Bowls did you win? Do you know the answer? Months?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Zero?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Not what now? They were eighteen and zero. Unbelievable team.
Some things went bumping the night they lost in the
Super Bowl to the New York Giants. But and Tyreek
Hill is a lot there's a lot, a lot, a
lot to Tyrek Hill. But yeah, he's been pretty awesome.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Follow up, do you think, like if we were to
put highlight reels of Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson, is
Hill's highlight reel more exciting?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, but I mean that doesn't make you a better
football sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually think Tyreek Hill
is a better football player, a very good route runner
comparison to what we kind of give him credit for.
But justin Jefferson, you know, you could very easily make
the case that he has a combination of talent and
skill that's better than anybody in the sport. But just
Tyreek Kill has some explosive plays that are just crazy, yeah, unreal,
(37:34):
almost crazy. So but yes, I mean I think in
terms of football skill, like I don't. I don't care
about highlight shows or highlight reels, and I would agree
with you say, hey, highlight reels probably better for.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Tyreek Hill, right right, right right, all right?
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Coach for better or worse? Bradley Beal or Norman Powell. Obviously,
Bradley Beal seems to be signing with the Clippers. Norman
Palell was he did headed to Miami for better or worse?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Powell for better or worse. I'm a Norman Powell guy.
And and here's why brad Beale struggled the past a
couple years, because he's never been on a team which
he wasn't the guy, and when trying to and being
faced to trying to compete for championships, he's just not
(38:27):
that guy. So now he's got to go figure it
out in a new team. He's gonna get the Clippers
and he won't be the guy. Yet again, I think
he's destined to fail there. So I think Norm Powell.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
And that's game time.
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That's that's that's what I get to, uh, welcome in listen.
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I watched last night's All Star Game, not not first
to last pitch. I'm not going to sit here and lie,
but I did actually see national anthem, and then I
was you know, I played I think nine holes yesterday
and then was having a couple of beverages watching the
first couple innings, went to a buddy's house and watched
(01:48):
the last couple innings, and when it went to extra innings,
this was one of those I just kind of be
honest with you. I had no idea that's how they
decided the All Star Game. None, and I'm guessing none
of us did. Jay stud Did you have any idea
that they did a swing off?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Nope, not a bit. Didn't know one thing about it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'm not I'm not a bashed to say that I
didn't know. The only thing I knew heading into this
All Star Game was two things. One Miss Rowski was
a controversial pick, and two that they were going to
use abs and and we'll see kind of how it looked. Okay,
so I'm gonna offend defend Ken Rosenthal against Eric Hosmer,
(02:33):
who's like, dude, you not get the job that you
actually have. Now we'll get to that in a second.
And then you know, ABS was great. It was like cyclops.
It's like the tennis thing. You're like, man, why haven't
had that sooner? And the answer is they actually do
have it in the minor leagues. I don't know what
we're waiting for. That thing was fantastic. You just touch
(02:55):
your helmet, they review it. It shows in the replay like, oh,
look at that just yea, just not merely a strike.
And I said this on the podcast, they'll say it
for real here, which is I kind of think last
night in the ABS, I gotta be honest. I think
the umpster a little bit better. We give them credit.
He's like, man, that's really really close. That's really really hard.
(03:17):
There's no way that the human eye can actually see
baller strike when it's that close. You're guessing, and if
you say otherwise, you're lying. Like it's really hard. You
gotta be really good and you're gonna make mistakes. But
I do think that Baseball has done a bad job,
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just like hockey. It's like hockey, isn't overtime in hockey,
like three on three with a goalie, But most people
don't know that because they don't want regular season hockey.
Like I had no idea, Like, yeah, it's like a
different sport. So here's what happens. Okay. Each league got
to send up three hitters who each got three swings apiece.
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Whichever side had the most total homers would win the game.
That's really how they decided the All Star Game. The
National League came out on top thanks to Schwarber. He
had three homers in his three swings. In total the NFL,
the NL had four homers compared to three for the
American League, and it was six to six at the
end of nine. So I was entertained. Although I do
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think that one of the things Baseball's All Star Game
has to kind of figure out is, you know, the
game is generally start the stars and get them in early,
and then get them out of the game. So All
Star Games are usually decided by guys. You're like, I've
never heard of this guy. He's the one pick a
team who they had to have have an All Star.
(04:47):
You know Matt Olsen for example, who a couple of
years ago amazing, but this year not amazing. And he
was the Braves guy and the brave slugger, and he
was playing first base late in the game, at bat
late in the game. It is fine because he's been
an All Star caliber player before in his career, but
really not this year. Only reason he was there because
it was the Braves in Atlanta. They needed a player.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Do I think it's the best way to decide a game?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Did I think it was entertaining? Yeah? Is it different? Yeah,
it's an All Star game. I'm not offended. Is anybody
offended by it? Sam? Are you offended by it? You're like,
this is a travesty and a mockery, a travish mockery
the swing off. Yes.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Oh I At first I thought Jason Stewart would it
would elicit some kind of you're annoying, But we all
kind of came to the same conclusion that it was fun.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Fun. Did you know it was coming?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
No?
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Because I mean, when's the last time an All Star
Game ended in a tie?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Milwaukee?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I think you know too, right, Okay, well a long
time ago, so I yeah, And I don't think they
had this rule at that time.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So no, that was the tie. That was when they
started to go it means more and they start having
it decided to home field advantage.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
No.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I enjoyed it, though, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Jay stuh?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Okay, I enjoyed it. I thought, uh, I had no
idea what was coming. The swing off was weird. Of course,
the first thing you ask yourself, they didn't. I don't
think they did a great job of explaining this. And
as it did, I missed it. Why wasn't Judge and
on show?
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Hey? Uh in At the end, I guess it's been tame.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Were they gone?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
They took off?
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, I thought they were gone. I mean that's that again.
That's part of the deal is they come in and
they're like, I'm good, I'm done. Okay, I'm gonna just
Irish exit at the back door. We did establish it's
the Iris exit, right, because the Italian exit has got
to be everybody's got to know that you're going, and like, hey,
Joey's going, Joey's gone, Hey Joey's.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
Ravens kissed him goodbye. The Irish is iris so blacked
out drunk, you wander out the back door.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I did not say that you did. I know that
you're right, but again, you wander out the back door.
So Aaron Judge, show hey, o Tani Irish exit. I
was thinking the same thing, and I again, I was
as at a buddy's house who has a big golf
sim and then a couple of big TVs. And we're watching.
We're like tied, and we're like tied again, now what
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and then all of a sudden they start doing the
swing off. I wasn't really paying attention, like wait, that's
this is what they do. And no one in the
room had any idea. And they were much bigger baseball
fans than I were. And somebody did ask like we're
show hey, Whereas I was like they they I'm sure
they were out of there because I remember Derek Jeter,
like in his last All Star game, was like second
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inning and then all of a sudden, there's like a plane.
They're like, there goes Jeter's playing. Those dudes are out out.
I heard Collins say that it was the greatest All
Star game he'd watched. What was that in years or
in a year or ever. I'm not sure a bit
of hyperbole, but it would actually actually be accurate for
(07:48):
me because I never watched All Star games. So yeah,
it was good. It's a good celebration in the sport.
It was fine. You know, it ends up essentially being
a tie and then you have kind of a creative ending.
I'm not offended by any of it. The only thing
that I was left walking away from the game was
(08:09):
how have we waited this long for ABS? And imagine
the fact that we don't have it for the second
half of the year. We'd like just had it for
the All Star Game. Clearly works pretty easy. It's been
used in the minor league, so it's not like last
night was the first night. Like they're way past the
beta testing and you're sitting there thinking why would we
(08:35):
go without this? It's so much better, and it's better
for the umpires, you know, call your ball, call your strike,
and then people are going to see when you miss,
when you make a mistake, you're making mistake by like
a millimeter. So I think most people thought I could
(08:56):
be wrong. Most people thought that ABS would make the
umpires look like clowns because of how badly they missed
ball and strike calls. I think that's a fair fair
perception to have. Oh, it's just going to show how
bad these three blind mice are. Reality is, it's really hard.
(09:20):
The margin is so very slight. And of all of
those calls, some were reversed, some were not. Again, you're
talking about a speck of a baseball coming in low
to mid to upper nineties and you got to make
a split second call on a millimeter or less of
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baseball and whether or not it comes to in the zone.
ABS was a win, with the exception of the fact
that it's been ready to be used for two years now.
It makes the umpires look better or not worse. Everybody
likes it. It's quick, it's easy, it doesn't actually extend
the game, and yet we're still not going to have
it for the rest of the season. Do you know why?
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Speaker 3 (10:24):
Swarmer in the air to center field, headed towards the
wall A.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Center.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
It's huge for the Factional League. They're within one, so
there you go.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
He said, if he could get it on his first swing,
and he did, sor bars in the.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
All Star Game, tied it free.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
That's MVP material.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
If he gets the third one right here, they are
rallied in the game.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
And now has rallied in the swing of track out
shop House nationally.
Speaker 7 (11:03):
It takes to leave three.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
That's calls on Fox Sports. Is the guy who's had
a lot of fun with it. It's a good way
to end it. Again. I'm not a huge home run
derby guy, but when a little home run derby breaks
out to decide the All Star Game, I'm all for.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show and coming up next
live here on Foxsports Radio. Uh uh, Bill Belichick and
(11:28):
Robert Craft are not letting bygones be bygones? How bad
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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. So do
you remember Robert Craft and Bill Belichick and how that
thing ended in New England? You're like, well, they didn't
seem to like each other very much and then they
had the kind of awkward should we hugged, we shake hands?
At his retirement press conference. Here's Robert Craft on Dudes
(12:16):
on Dudes as the Edelman and Gronk podcast talking about
when he hired Bill Belichick in ninety nine.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I think getting Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots
in nineteen ninety nine it was a big risk, and
I got hammered in the Boston media. But I think
he was with us for twenty four years and we
did okay.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah, And he's saying it's a big risk because you know,
he didn't win in Cleveland and he did okay, did okay.
Fascinating way to put it okay in a statement. Belichick
responded by saying that he made a similar leap when
he signed from the Jets in order to come to
(13:06):
New England. As I told Robert multiple times through the years,
I took a big risk by taking the Patriots head
coaching job. I already had the opportunity to be the
head coach of the New York Jets, but the ownership
situation was unstable. I had been worn by multiple previous
Patriots coaches as well as other members of NFL organizations
(13:27):
in the media, that the New England job was going
to come with many internal obstacles. I made it clear
that we would have to change the way the team
was managed to regain the previously attained success. So everybody's
trying to claim victory here. You know, Robert Kraft like man,
I took a big risk and it seemed to work out, okay,
(13:49):
Bill Beolutz looks like no. I took a big risk
and it seemed to work out. Okay. Huge egos. Do
I think that Craft getting out of the way is
actually a really good move for the team. It was
clearly and again, as an owner, he wants to take
credit for staff, where technically he did own the team.
(14:11):
Technically he did sign off on it, but technically the
best thing he did was play zero part in the
actual football operations. So congrats to you. I'd actually sided
with Belichick, but I don't really understand Belichick's desire to
extract some sort of gratification and a win out of
this discussion. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleep Show podcast.
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here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, John Mittalcoff joins
this three and out is in fact the podcast, but
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he also has to Going Low podcast. I used to
be a club thrower, a mutterer, but I just I'm
not good enough, nor do I play or practice enough
to be that guy. What do you like on a
bad day on the course.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
I'm with you. When I was younger, I was you know,
my dad probably wanted to kill me. It's a it's
an awful look, I would say, as I've gotten into
my thirties. I just enjoy being outside in the sun.
So whether I'm shooting seventy five or ninety. The occasional
f bomb, but the days of throwing clubs and kicking
in you know, lockers like Wyndham Clark are long gone.
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The occasional you know, throw your hands up in the air,
that's human, like Scotty did last week. But the what
Wyndham Clark this year has been on a tear Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
No doubt about it. What do you think of again?
I know we used talk football, but you also do
the golf podcast. Scotti Scheffler's remarks yesterday in regards to
just kind of being empty after winning majors, especially the
two Masters.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
You know what's funny is I I'm glad you talked
about this because I saw you you talk about this yesterday.
I think I thought on social media for about eight minutes.
I think there are a lot of different variables because
I know your take and the emotion with some of
these younger guys never used to get talked about that.
There was a clip I thought today probably about an
hour ago, as Rodris Harrington, you know who's a Tiger
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generation was almost offended. You know, He's like it was
you know, what's he even talking about. I think there
are some parallels. Remember a couple of years ago, Adam
Silver said all this players are miserable. Yeah, and Scott
I would say, Scottie Scheffler over the last eighteen months
starting last year through this year's probably made a hundred
million dollars. He made sixty five last year just on
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the course. So if you factor in Nike, which he's
obviously him and Rory are their lead dogs. By winning
those tournaments, winning the Major as, the bonuses he got
might have been twenty million Taylor made. He's made so
much money where he's like he could quit today and
financially never. I do think that has ramifications. And I
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think the NBA is the same way. It's like you're playing.
Kevin Durant was a good example. He's like I won,
No one really cared, and then like it's like what
do I do now?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And I think these guys now because they live on
social media, Scotty, not necessarily, but they have so much
money and the accomplishment. Like back in the day, even
like when Tiger first started, you just you were constantly
climbing because you had to earn it. You had to
earn it. Now it's like, if you do have success,
you get paid so much money, and I do think
that just warps you know, in your twenties, how you
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just think about things.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But I also say.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
This, you know Scotty's comments, if you just read them,
you'd be like, God, this guy doesn't really care. Like
his actions speak differently. Right, He's won essentially fifteen sixteen
times over the last two years, so he's his effort
and how much he tries. It's not like he's been
phased by the money. But you could argue if you
watch that whole thing, he's kind of talking out of
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both sides of his mouth because he says he gets
emotional when he cries, but also what's it all for?
But it's not like he's lazy, right, it's not. You know,
he's working just as hard as you'd say, like, well,
Mahomes and Kelsey are still on the grind even after
all the championship, Like Scotty's still working like he's Tiger.
But I do think there's that generation of guy. I mean,
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even Rory won the Masters and he's like, I'm kind
of over it now, you know. So can you imagine
Tiger or Brady or MJ talking like that? You're Kobe,
no chance.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Now, I think there's a lot to it. I also
think I don't know what youth golf is like, but
I can tell you that there's been a lot of
squessions about like youth basketball, and there are so many
more tournaments that winning one isn't as special as it
used to be. Now granted you're talking about majors, you're
talking about the Masters, there's only one, but when you've
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played in you know, five ex to tournaments of other people,
then winning one does not seem like at nearly as
big a thing. I mean, look that that By the way,
that's a comment that everyone I know was talking about yesterday.
That's really the interesting part about.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It every day, I know, in fairness, you know, he
didn't he mentioned like regular PG events like the Byron
Nelson in his backyard. He didn't mention the Masters, which
I obviously means a lot to no matter who. I
do think there's some you know that's where the NBA
comp you know, or just basketball, like regular season game
like what is this? Who cares? And like winning a
regular PGA event, who cares? You know, I think there's
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some element to what he said that parallel is like
football world, right, whenever you win a game. Let's say
we're watching Sunday Night Football and the Chiefs beat the Broncos,
and your interviewing Patrick Mahomes, He's like, well, we gotta
we gotta stay focused because we've got the Chargers coming up.
It's just isn't that kind of sports Like you're just
always kind of on to the next thing. So, I
don't know, there are a lot of angles to this.
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I do think his action back up that he really cares, right,
because he's been so good now two years. It's not
like he's resting on his laurels, right, He's grinding and practicing.
And he even't mentioned that that's the weird That's what
I'm saying. He was kind of just kind of randing.
But it's not like he had one specific point beside like, yeah,
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sometimes you win, you realize like no one actually cares
after a while.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's turn to the National Football League. Oh so many
little kind of little stories sort of kind of to
get through and to kind of sort of figure out.
By the way Barry Sanders' birthday is today, I bring
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it up. I bring it up because you know, like
anytime you think somebody had a great year in college football,
check out Barry Sanders year, You're like, oh, I was,
I was a lot a lot better. I think that
Saquan is the first guy who I can actually have
a reasonable conversation that does some of those freaky things.
(21:00):
He had great backs, like Dereck Henry's a great back,
like you kind of go back. There's there's been all
different big ones, little ones, Marshall fak Is, ability to
catch out of the backfield or whatever. But in terms
of doing things where you make people miss and you
jump over people or make them look almost like Keystone cops,
I think Saquon's the first guy since Barry Sanders to
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that am I forgetting anybody?
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Yeah? I think physically from a strength standpoint, that was
always the underrated part about like Barry, like his size,
how strong he was. I mean some of those epics
like him dragging guys that were holding on for dear life.
I would say that Barry was I mean in this
day and age, obviously, I mean he would dominate in
any air he was, he would have been viewed also
like an Lt. Marshall fall catching the ball. You know,
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I would say Saquon has solid hands, but I wouldn't
call him like Christian McCaffrey right now. He The difference
is like Barry, like you don't need to be a
great running back. You don't need exceptional like high end speed,
like you can be an all time grave like Frank
Gorey couldn't outrun anyone, but he's you're just a really
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really good player. Now if you do have the home
run hitting speed like Adrian Peterson, then it's like you
can be a major problem. And I think that like
that is Saquon's kind of curveball is like he gets
in the open field, he's literally faster than everyone else,
even McCaffrey. Let's assume he's healthy this year. You know
he's going to get caught a decent amount. And I
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would say Barry like Saquon, like they got in the
open field and there was green grass, and you know
bo Jackson, like they see you. So it's like and
that's what makes Saquon so fun is I think last
year well with a six or seven sixty plus yard runs,
and that's part of I mean, I would imagine anytime
you find a two thousand yard rusher, they had a
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decent amount of chunk runs, right, It's not all just
five and six yard carries.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, I mean he was he was so amazing, so
amazing last year. Okay, let's kind of go around the
league here. Let's start with I think the most interesting
team this year is to Steelers. We've talked about them
a good amount. Let's kind of start to getting to
the actual football league talkie. What do you think of
the roster compilation that they've made? Haven't extended TJ Watt
(23:20):
to this point? What do you think of what Pittsburgh
has roster wise hand of the year.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
You know, I think they're just so predicated on the
quarterback staying healthy and historically how often new guys wants
they get over forty. I mean, he's an injury that
maybe used to go away in a week and last
a month. He can't scramble around like he used to
when he's not you know, I mean, obviously a good
pocket player, but his game hasn't been predicated like Peyton
(23:48):
or Brady Worry. He just sits there his entire career,
because that's not how he had to play. So I
just what's more likely Rogers plays seventeen games and throws
thirty two touchdowns or you know, you look at Rogers
you know game log in ten years and he starts
nine of him because he has some injuries. So I
(24:08):
think that's going to be the problem. I just have
a hard time seeing him play healthy and loot. They
say a lot of times happens in basketball too, like
the second year returning from the Achilles is when you
get it back. That's fine. But he's not thirty. He's
forty one. So even if he's a little sprier than
he was last year, it's clear he's he's not the
you know, kind of the young, vibrant guy that could.
(24:30):
He was never Lamar, but he could. Scrambling behind the
line of scrimmage was a huge part of his game.
I mean, hell, look at Russell Wilson, who feels like
he's gotten slower movement wise, behind the line of scrimmage
doesn't look nearly the same. And that's that was always
Roger's superpower. So if I'm a betting man, like there
is a case that if he were to get injured
this year, given their quarterback room, this could be the
(24:53):
year that I got The Steelers actually did go seven
and ten and it's a disaster. And they've already admitted,
Like I mean, they don't even have to admit, just
based on their roster, they don't have any backup plan
flash next year, it's like they would be in the
same position. So unless they were to win like two
or three games, it's not like they'd be drafting that high.
So I think they're they got problems.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Okay, let's talk about this Shamar Stewart story.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Okay, So I hope, I hope he goes back to school.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
That'd be sick.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Now do you do know? Okay, So let me lay
it out for people. Okay, uh, they hid in pass
in negotiations with the Bengals, right, and his agent excuse me.
Billy Hayen from the Sportingnews dot Com and Bud Elliott
from CBS Sports reported that he's fully involved in workouts
(25:41):
at text A and M, and both their sources say
could try and come back and play again the season
going to the draft next year. Here's the part that
people don't know. The Bengals still retain his rights whether
he goes back and plays or doesn't. Right, So like
I you say, hope he goes back and plays. Why
he went into the draft.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
I just for the story, not that I just think
it'd be you know, the Bengals they're arguing. They're not
arguing over how much money they're going to pay them
the money set. It's just the dates. I mean, it's
it's pretty stupid. I also would love to you know,
like you know, twenty ten years ago, you'd be like, well,
this is never going to be allowed by the NC
Double A. These football programs now, I mean the NC
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Double A in terms of their power, feels like they're
hanging on your life. So it just it just be chaotic.
And you know it's right up Texas A and M's
Valley too, they're they're a little bit of a renegade program.
I just the Bengals. I did the whole thing. I
signed me up. Do I think he's ended up going
to sign with the Bengals guests? But and the other
thing is he's been working out with text A and M.
(26:47):
I bet most rookies like, yeah, they have an apartment,
they probably have girlfriends, Like they go back in the summer.
Where else are they going to go? And they usually
work out with their former teammates, especially these underclassmens. It's
like they literally buddy, so it's him working out with
tech A and M is not as crazy as it sounds.
When you factor in the other things of the story
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to got it, you might go back. I had been
a decent amount of guys that were just drafted have
spent the last several weeks back where they went to college,
uh and training with their either college strength coach their guys. Like,
that's pretty normal.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, Again, I don't know what level of working out
there is. I would say generally, you're right, but again
I don't know this time of year, our guys staying
up at their facilities and training. I mean that. Yeah,
the whole thing is super, super fascinating right here. The
Bengals are. They spent more money than they've ever spent
on offense. You draft a guy on defense and you
(27:45):
got an agent holding you up looking for some contract.
I've this would be a disaster for the NFLPA, the
NFLPA because the NFL owners be like, hold on, dude,
we have a CBA. The kid declared, he got drafted.
What are you doing? What are you doing? This is
a terrible look for the Players Association if he doesn't
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sign a contract.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
There's already some I mean, the second round thing is
all these guys. You know that. I saw the forty
nine ers guy No showed everyone wants their contract fully guaranteed.
And you know, this story was kind of out of
left field because it's never really happened anymore. So I
text the buddy in the league. I said, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
And he's like, well, it's collusion between the agents. Let
me help you. Okay, Yeah, here's how it. Here's how it,
Here's how it worked. This is my again, and you
tell me if I'm wrong. Okay. Florio and uh okay,
what's uh part?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Pablo Pablo Torri. They had that story, which if you
read the story, it's actually kind of a nothing burger.
It just did. It's like it's like, you know, they
were like, hey, it's kind of dumb to do these
guarant contracts, guys, right, I fully guaranteed contracts. It's kind
of dumb in this sport case in point, that's a
that's a really bad deal. Right. There was no collusion
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to it as if they were including then they would
they would have held prices down, held guarantees down. They
have not. They have not. But it's again, I feel
like it's a what's the term they use in military
coordinated attack is a because this story comes out at
the exact same time that second round picks are like, hey,
I want my contract fully guaranteed. Just happens that happened
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at the same time.
Speaker 5 (29:34):
The reality is the most second round pick as you
get down from like thirty three to sixty it changed
a little bit, but a lot of guys from like
thirty three to fifty. Texting with some people that negotiate
these contracts, some of these guys are contract is like
close to ninety seven percent guaranteed before anyone's ever argued.
So it's like, now the number is smaller than the
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first rounders, but the vast majority of the contract is guaranteed.
It's not like gets fifty percent they're arguing for, you know,
the other fifty percent. Most of these guys the contracts
pull again, so they're really arguing over a pretty It
sounds a little crazier than actually it's kind of like
the Samark Stewart Chamar Stewart. I don't know the exact number,
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but it's just arguing on the date he said. Let's
just say he wants the money January first, and they
want to pay him September first, you know, like year three.
So it's it's all kind of semantics, which again, as
numbers grow, which they continue to fly. I mean, we
just thought the Chiefs gave a guard seventy million dollars guarantee,
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So it's the money's flowing, you know, more of this
stuff's going to happen. I mean, we've seen in basketball
forever the player empowerment. Well, when a player empowerment happened,
when the numbers got so enormous, it's like, we're not
going to you know, you kind of like draw a
line in the sand. And that's what I think the
players like. The NFL players, they do have more juice. Again,
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it's on a relative scale than they they've ever had
by far, and I would imagine that we're gonna see
more and more of these things. I would guess this
upcoming couple weeks, we're gonna have more guys quote unquote
holding in or holding out than we've ever had. I mean,
do you remember like when you were in college or whatever,
like nineties, one guy you know throughout the league might
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like an Am Smith and then over the years maybe
a couple. Now it fields like, I don't know, there's
gonna be ten plus Pro bowlers not show up here
in a week. And that's not even talking about the
second rounders.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm just talking about here's where's the here's the irony
to it. Right, A lot of this is empowered and
triggered by agents for sure. Okay, where all of these
fake numbers on guarantees, it's all about the agents and
their egos and their sale for the next client anyway. Right,
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reality is, as you point out, there's still healthy guarantees
in there, well why do they have what it makes
one hundred and fifty, but it's a two could go
to fifty. That's for the agent. And so what's going
to happen is eventually you'll they'll get their way, but
just not in the way they think they're going to
get their way where they'll say like, oh, we want
fully guaranteed, Fine, we'll do fully guarantee. All these guys
would do full daring gig contracts. They're just not gonna
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do the numbers that you think they're gonna do. That
would be my guess. So it is a it's the
old fashioned peeing contest. That's generally, yeah, generally what it is.
Middicoffee the best dude. Thanks for joining us. We'll talk
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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. We've got a
good show for you. Today is today's Wednesday, right hump day.
What still one of the great commercials ever as the
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Midway coming up next. I have a question. It's not
(33:48):
a statement, it's more of a question of preference when
you travel. That'll be part of the Midway that's upcoming next.
But first, let's get to game time live.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
What do you have there, bonc On this some date,
We're gonna play.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
For better or worse?
Speaker 8 (34:17):
That's right, coach, I'm gonna give you options between one
or two things, and well, no, between two things. You're
gonna tell me which ones for better, which ones for worse?
All right, let's start here for better or worse? Starting
extra innings with a ghost runner at second base, or
we do a home run derby to determine a tie
(34:40):
game like we saw last night in the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I like the guy on second base, to be honest
with you. It doesn't bother me by the way, Jase
do again. I know we're asking what the average fan thinks.
I do believe that there's a greater than five percent
of people that don't know they start X ratings in
the regular season with the runner second base, You're probably right,
(35:08):
But Jason always gets on to me. He's like, hey, here,
we are like sports fans and we talk about all
the time. So we're asking ourselves what people who are
what narps think, right and.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
No, we lead the our show leads the country and
trying to guess what regular people are.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well, that was to take phone calls, and they were
like that that would be bad. Let's not do that.
Let's not do that. I like this starting on second
I thought it was cute for the All Star Game.
I don't think it's cool in real life.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Totally agree with you, coach, Totally agree all right.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
For better or worse for.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
The viewer experience, the human umpires or the ABS system,
the challenging system that they, you know, are trying to
bring abs.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, six days a week and twice on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (35:57):
Wow, Oh you really like that? Okay? Yeah, all right,
let's move on here. For better or for worse, Tyreek
Hill or Justin Jefferson on the hills heels of what
Randy Moss said regarding Tyreek that he's you know, nowhere
all time, probably a top five right now? Uh?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I I think Tyreek Hill, Wow, I think Look, I
think Justin Jefferson is probably a better football player. Okay,
but Tyreek Hill has dominated games and dominated a Super Bowl.
Justin Jefferson has not. Let's not forget that, by the way.
Like I love Randy Moss, but Randy Moss, how many
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Super Bowls did you win? Do you know the answer? Months?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Zero?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Not what now? They were eighteen and zero. Unbelievable team.
Some things went bumping the night they lost in the
Super Bowl to the New York Giants. But and Tyreek
Hill is a lot there's a lot, a lot, a
lot to Tyrek Hill. But yeah, he's been pretty awesome.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
Follow up, do you think, like if we were to
put highlight reels of Tyreek Hill and Justin Jefferson, is
Hill's highlight reel more exciting?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Yeah, but I mean that doesn't make you a better
football sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, I actually think Tyreek Hill
is a better football player, a very good route runner
comparison to what we kind of give him credit for.
But justin Jefferson, you know, you could very easily make
the case that he has a combination of talent and
skill that's better than anybody in the sport. But just
Tyreek Kill has some explosive plays that are just crazy, yeah, unreal,
(37:34):
almost crazy. So but yes, I mean I think in
terms of football skill, like I don't. I don't care
about highlight shows or highlight reels, and I would agree
with you say, hey, highlight reels probably better for.
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Tyreek Hill, right right, right right, all right?
Speaker 8 (37:49):
Coach for better or worse? Bradley Beal or Norman Powell. Obviously,
Bradley Beal seems to be signing with the Clippers. Norman
Palell was he did headed to Miami for better or worse?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Powell for better or worse. I'm a Norman Powell guy.
And and here's why brad Beale struggled the past a
couple years, because he's never been on a team which
he wasn't the guy, and when trying to and being
faced to trying to compete for championships, he's just not
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that guy. So now he's got to go figure it
out in a new team. He's gonna get the Clippers
and he won't be the guy. Yet again, I think
he's destined to fail there. So I think Norm Powell.
Speaker 8 (38:37):
And that's game time.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
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