September 10, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug opens by talking about the released bodycam footage of the incident with Dolphins' star Tyreek Hill from Sunday and explains how the footage shows that the police officers seemed to be doing what they are trained to do. Doug welcomes NFL analyst and prolific podcaster John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about Tyreek, the Jets and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Welcome in. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show, and we
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have a ton to get to. Let me introduce the crew,
if you will. That's the one and only Jason Stewart
g STU as he's known, and of course you have
Dan Byer will be part of the He is a
huge part of the show, and of course you're hear
him with the updates then Chris Burfett on the ones
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and two. First, I just want to check and make
sure you guys have all seen you guys have all
seen the video of Tyreek Hill being cuffed and stuffed
on Sunday. Correct. When I see the video, I'm not
saying the normal video. I'm saying the bodycam footage that
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was released last night. Have you guys all seen that?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yep? Yes, several body comps by the way, or yeah,
multiple ones, multiple different times as well.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, yeah. I guess what I'll do is I'll give
my opinion first, okay. And the problem with giving your
opinion first when it's your show is sometimes on some
shows guys are scared to give their own opinion. Okay,
our guys are not. You know, my opinion often differs
with with Jay stew or with Dan Byer, and so
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I respect it. So please please don't think that me
in my opinion, should stop you from having your opinion.
The first thing is it's really easy for lots of
shows like mine to avoid this topic. It just is,
you know, do the update, do the thing whatever. I
just don't want to. I think that's just so soft,
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because I think it's one of those things where both
things can be true. Okay, it can be true that historically,
historically black men can feel like they're treated poorly by police,
and yet this is not an example of that. Right,
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it can also be both be true that police are
on a power trip. This might not be a great
example of that. So I'll just tell you what I've
seen from the video. And I have friends that are
police officers. I have friends that despise police officers. I've
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personally felt like, not necessarily violated, but I felt like
there's been cops who have been over the top, and
I've had cops treat me with incredible kindness. Not knowing
was my first week on the job at Green Bay
as a head coach. I couldn't sleep. In the middle
of the night, I got up, I drove. I was
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staying at a hotel with the Legacy Hotel, which brand
new hotel looks over lambeau Field. I got my car
and I took a left and like Midwest small town America,
there's only gas stations open at like midnight, one in
the morning, whatever time it was, and I just wanted
to snack, and so I went into like a quick
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trip or whatever, and I got a liquor with death
and a coffee. No, I didn't get a coffee. I
was trying to I was trying to go to sleep.
I got a liquid death and I got like a
power bar or something and maybe some sunflower seeds. And
I got my car and I took a wrong turn again,
like it was I think six day in town. I
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took a wrong turn. So I went to light. I
flipped a yuie, came back and got lit up and
they're like what do you? And I got pulled over
and there's three cop cars like what are you making
a U turn for? It's like, well, my hotel's that way.
And I didn't have any idea with me nothing cause
I just it was middle of the night. I went
down and I had my phone, so I did Apple
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id Apple pay in order to pay for it. They
asked me, you know, is there marijuana in the car.
I was like, not that I'm aware of. There was
a rental car. I just got it yesterday. Yanked rental
car paperwork. When you're on Emerald Dile, I don't have
any rental car our paperwork right. So they're like trying
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to check all this stuff out that I didn't have.
I'm sitting on the curb. I was incredibly courteous. They
had no idea who I was, not that it matters.
They want to make sure I didn't fit the I
fit the description of a suspect. They actually patted me down,
they searched through my whole car, they brought out the dogs.
There's nothing there, and they let me go. It wasn't comfortable,
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and I felt like there's one cop that was a
little bit over the top, but like on some level,
I guess I'd get it. I don't know. Here's what
I saw. Apparently Tyreek Hill was speeding. There have been
reports that's in excess of fifty miles an hour over
the speed limit. I don't know if that's true, but
if you look at the bodycam footage, there's six motorcycles
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I believe behind him. Either it was just rare happenstance
that there were five motorcycles and a cop pulling him over.
Five motorcycles already parked there in a cop them over,
or they were chasing him for a bit and then
when they walk up to his window. We've all been
in this situation for right. No one's happy about being
pulled over, especially when they're running late, which is probably
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why tyreek Hill was speeding. One he probably drives fast
and doesn't care. And two he'd probably run a little
bit late. So he puts down the window. And when
the police officer asks for ask him to keep the says,
why are you banging on my window? Why do you
think is to get the window down? Here's where I
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have actual empathy for police officers. When that window, which
is tinted, gets rolled back up, you can't see in
And why would you roll back up your window unless
you're hiding something? And while I don't know if you carry,
I don't carry, But if you're a police officer, you
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know that you have to assume every person you pull
over is carrying a load of weapon. So you pull
up to a car it's got tinted windows, he won't
war up. He rolled up the window after he can
you his ID. He's already non compliant and just being
abrasive to be abrasive, and then he rolls up his
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window like you don't have to know who it is.
Would I like to think that you walk up to
the window and me being a football fans like, Tyreek Hill,
what are you doing, man? Why are you speeding making
us pull you over on a Sunday. We're getting ready
to cheer for you for the Dolphins. But they knew
who he was and didn't care. Didn't care, which is,
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by the way, how they're actually supposed to do their job.
So instead he's combatant. And then the second police officers like,
all right, well, you don't want to get out of
the car. And then the guy's like, we're gonna arrest
you right now. We're gonna get you out of the car.
And the second he was overly aggressive. I'm not gonna
lie to you, no doubt. Now. What we don't know
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is we don't know what those police officers were taught,
because I'm guessing that while it appears that he was
a little heavy handed in his approach in taking Tyreek
Hill out of the car, the fact is you can't
when you don't know what somebody has on their person.
You cannot go like, hey, can you get out of
the car. Can you not? Oh, you're gonna put your
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hands in your pockets. That's fine, Like that's not how
it works. Again, you have to start every conversation with
the belief that that person is carrying. So my assessment
of it was Tyreek Hill is embarrassing himself fifteen times over.
So too is Drew Rosenhouse. Tyreek Hills saying, my mama
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didn't raise me that way. Tyreek, I'm in Oklahoma state, Alum,
we don't even like to claim yet because you beat
up your girlfriend after beating Oklahoma, Like, what are we
talking about here? Like what are we actually doing? So
I understand that you don't have this many people black
people saying we've been treated poorly by police unless it happened.
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And I grew up in Los Angeles. I remember Rodney
King beating Okay, and Rodney King was no angel, but
he did not deserve that vicious beating that he took
from police officers. I saw it. I was alive during
the riots. I'm not an idiot. I don't want to
be called idiot, and I'm not gonna be called something
I'm not. Don't label me something or not. I'm a
radical centrist, but I'm also a reasonable human being. And
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anybody knows that a cop pulls up and knocks on
your window, you don't go where you knock on my
window for to get you to roll down the window
to give me your ID so I can give you
a ticket for speeding. This is not your first rodeo.
You've actually been to jail before. Do you want to
go again? No, life's not that hard. I don't think
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the cops should be fired. I think the one cop
felt a little aggressive, but generally that's and then kalais
Campbell like, dude, your teammate, You're you're being a great teammate,
trying to support him. But what you can do is
you can't roll up on the A bunch of cops
hop out of a car, leave it running and approach
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a police officer with an active situation. I actually should think,
though verbally there may have been a confrontation. I thought
they showed a lot of restraint. So do I think
all cops have behaved well? Of course not. Do I
think cops can be on a power trip? Of course?
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Do I think racism has played a factor in the past. Yes, probably.
I can't say definitely, but probably. Do I think cops
have been on a power trip in the past and
sometimes in the present. Sure is that the case here?
I don't think so. Dan Byer, let me get your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Well, A lot of it is along the lines of
what you said. I thought that tyreek Hill should have
kept his window down. It's funny because I know that
there are people and I've had family members who would
get a speeding ticket and it bothers them zero. They
are basically saying what tyreek Hill says, just come in
the ticket, and I'll go, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
For me personally, I have a complex. It'd be like
what the heck's going on? You know, I just you know,
freak out about it. But there are other people that
are just like, all right, just com in the ticket.
I'll go, just just let me on my way. But
I do think that you have to comply at some point,
and so I think that tyreek Hill was in the wrong.
And I actually kind of put it to the Scotty
Scheffler point of view of what we had in May
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of when Scheffler was pulled over, and whether it was
an officer or not, you needed to follow and listen
to what they said, because it's sure like you seemed
like it was a person of authority. And that's where
I think that tyreek Hill was wrong in this situation.
I I the third video camera that I saw, like
when they were then trying to put him to the
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ground and take him to the ground, that seemed pretty excessive.
And when you said when that second officer came in
and they just they dragged him out of the car,
did seem excessive. It did start with Tyreek Hill not complying.
So I it's a it's two wrongs that don't make
a right sort of thing. I think that the officers
are more in the wrong. But you know, to have
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Tyreek Hill is a martyr here or just this ultimate victim,
it's just a little tough for me to take considering.
I think some of this could have been avoided if
you would have just listened or just rolled down the window,
gotten his ticket and left right.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Here's Tyreek Hill on CNN last night.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I'm a good old country boy from South Georgia. Man, like,
I'm not a big believer in dividing people.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
You know, I don't believe in all that, man.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I believe in.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Bringing people together, because that's my purpose in life. I
do football camps all across the world, man, trying to
bring different people together, different kids, different parents, you know,
because we and this together, baby, Like we on this
earth together. We got to live together. So when I
say let's make a change, let's do it together. So
Miami PD really all officers across the world, man, because
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one officer doesn't you know what I'm saying, the whole
group look bad. Like every everybody has bad apples, you
know what I'm saying, Every team has bad apples. It's
my job to use my platform and my resources so
that way I'm able to align, you know with you
know these you know, different stations. So that's what I
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mean when I say let's make a change, like because
we don't try it at all, you know what I'm saying,
Like we don't protest.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We even took a knee, you know, we.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Don'et did walks like so what's nixt. So right now,
me and my wife we write our brainstorming on how
can we be a part of this change?
Speaker 8 (13:34):
You know?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
So it's important to us, you know, because we want
to be able to change lives all all the way
across the world, not just Miami.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I haven't read uh Eon Thomas, who's a former NBA
player booker t Washington and Tulsa. He read an article
that said, it showed a group of police officers on
a power trip exhibiting unprofessionalism and abusive authority through an
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ultra aggressive combative behavior. From what I saw, they went
out of their way to escalate the situation far beyond
what was necessary. His point is that if he was
a black man, wasn't famous with the situation have ended
a lot worse. The answer is surely yes. Like eton,
that is so offensive, so offensive, it had zero to
do with him being black. It had one hundred percent
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with him to do with being combative. If I acted
the same way, I would be treated the same way. Dan,
do you do believe that to be different? I offer up.
I'm asking your honest opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I would hope, but I do think I would. I
would hope, but I am not completely there yet.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I would hope that you would be Jason, GoAhead.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So I'm not sure what the source is of.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
What you just read Thomas for the Guardians. I'm a
NBA player. He's a very very understood, left leaning, woke
civil rights advocate, and you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Know what, he has a much different life experience than
you me, Dan and Chris, and I totally understand that.
But I want to give the opposite opinion here. If
you go do the officer tatum on Twitter, there's this
guy with a massive social media following, former cop, happens
to be black. But I don't think that's important here.
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And this is what his kind of sum up tweet
is of the situation. Keep the window down. Why are
you rolling the window up? That's an officer safety issue.
They don't know this man. He could be pulling a
gun out. Keep the window down. They ask you a
simple question. You're the one at fault, not them. In
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my opinion, Doug. To have like a functioning society of
rules and laws, you need to have people paid to
enforce those laws. And if you're willing to break the
law and are confronted by a police officer, you should
be compelled to be deferential in that moment. You should
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treat the officer with respect. Tyreek Kill did the exact
opposite from the go from the jump. How many times
can a police officer ask you to roll your window down?
How many times could they ask you to get out
of the car. How many times could they ask you
to get on the ground if you're not being cooperative?
What should they do? What's the answer to that question.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
It's a great question. So Dan, let me ask you,
because we'll talk about this someone in the pod and
Profet you can get in the pod. What would you
do if you're the police officer and a guy is
not complying with the first roll to wind it down
and then to get out of the car.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I don't know. I don't know what their protocol is.
If that's a part of their protocol, then I would follow,
you know, what they would need to do. If they
need to physically remove him from the car, then they can,
then that's what I would end up doing. I didn't
think that that was as egregious as maybe some of
the other stuff that I saw. I know, like it was,
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you know, the car was awkward, it's low, you're dragging
him out, and he's put down on the ground. That
wasn't as much. It was maybe the other stuff when
he was trying to sit and stand and I know
he had a knee surgery, but he was about to
play a football game, so that excuse didn't necessarily fly
with me. But it felt like that was extra at
that point, taking him to the ground out of the car.
If that's what the protocol was, it wasn't as shocking
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to me in that sort of situation.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I would, I would. Here's the point about the knee surgery.
And again it's because we know he's Tyreek Hill. And
I saw an arrest this week and on social media
where a woman was She wasn't even being like forcefully detained.
They had her hands behind her back or something, and
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she was saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. Right,
And which, of course is the guy who was was
who died in New York, Right, he was selling cigarettes,
unlicensed cigarettes out in front of a liquor store. But
there was no breathing problem with her, right none. It
was Eric Gardner, Eric Garner who was. But the point was,
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and I think, Jason, you made this last night when
we talked on the phone, which is while most of
us were like, oh dude, Tyreek Hill, is something wrong
with need like, don't again, first if somebody tells you
send the curves in the curb. Secondly, they're lied to
every day every day. It's like the old it's the
old joke in Shawshanka prison. Right, every man in here
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is innocent. Just it doesn't work. I wish I could
tell you that every time a cop walks up to
a carter window, nobody opens fire on a police officer.
But the reality is that happens. I wish I could
tell you that people only say they've had knee surgery
or have a back problem when they're being arrested if
they've had knee surgery or back problem. But people ie
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all the time. And I thought it was extra two
to be honest with you, Dan, But I also I'm
guessing that part of its protocols and part of it
is like you just have no time in those situations
to be like nice and cordial. You have to get
them to the ground to where there's no chance that
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they can pull a weapon on you or you know,
make a move on you and take you to the.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Ground real quick. Doug, And yes, I mean we're gonna talk.
We'll talk a lot more about this on the podcast.
I don't have a lot of, you know, police friends.
I do have a lot of legal friends and a
few lawyer friends around the family. I think one place
where this really got murky too was that the Miami
Miami Dade Police Department immediately put the officers on administrative leave,
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which now has brought you know, law representation from from
the police officer side as well as whatever's going to
happen from the Tyreek Hill side. You know, the police
officer's legal representation. Thought it was premature, but I think
that administrative leave immediately also really mucked up like everything
around here, and it made it murky, and that by
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doing that, you're kind of implying something went wrong when
I don't know, I don't know if they should have
stood by him, if that was the right move to
immediately put him on leave.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It was.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it
was the right thing. I understand what you're saying. I
think it was the right thing. But they do this
whenever it's an officer involved shooting as well. They put
him on leave, They check out all the body cam footage,
they interview everybody around, and then they decide how they
want to proceed. It's just taking him in and kind
of removing him from from the hot stop. I agree
with you, I thought it was premature as well.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
It just sends it just sends a signal.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I think it's like he did something wrong. We didn't
do anything wrong. But again, I'm guessing. Again, this is
me guessing that much like aggressively taking a non compliant
driver out of his car when he refuses commands, is
part of their protocol. The only way you get fired
is if you violate protocol. That's how you get fired.
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So you can want to change protocol, but there's a
logic behind it, and I would say that in regards
to him being put on leave, I agree with you.
When I heard that at the time, I was like, Ooh,
something bad must happen. Then I watched the Then I
watched the bodycam footage and I was like, yeah, I'm
not sure they did anything wrong there other than being
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a little bit aggressive and getting him out of the
car and taking him to the ground. So I'm with you,
but I'm guessing that's just to remove him from it
so they can make a clear and concise decision. Give
us your thoughts, What did you think? What did you see?
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coming up to the bottom of the hour. In the meantime,
let's get to John Mittlecoff. He joins us year on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. John, thanks
so much for joining us. We get to the last
night's game in a second. I'm sure you've seen the
body cam footage now with the Tyreek Hill incident. What's
what's your opinion.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
I've been to a lot of events, and I do
believe that sometimes I've seen it happen for years in
the Bay are going to Niners and Raiders games and
Warriors games. Is you get some over sell US cops
and situations where there's obviously a lot of traffic, and
I've never seen anything like that. I mean, I thought
it was kind of insane, not kinda I mean I
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thought it was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean, like, let me can I can I
ask you like a compos you over and you're going
you're clearly speeding apparently some reports more than fifty miles
an hour over the speed limit. Like you're not going
to roll down your window and you got a tinted
front window, Like what do you think is going to happen.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Yeah, I mean I guess he could have rolled down
his window right away. I mean again I didn't. I
thought he was pulled over. I haven't looked that much
into the story, and I personally, once he got out
and score touchdown, I just don't care that much. Good
But obviously all these guys are gonna lose their job.
I mean it's pretty clear what's going to happen. Is
that I just assumed that he was pulling in, uh,
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you know, to the thing Scottie Scheffler style. But I
guess is that not what happened. You know, he was
so I don't know. I mean I I just think
these situations, it just didn't need to get that out
of hand. Now you're right, I mean, why didn't say
pull down, roll down the window, talk to him? But
I don't think it would have changed much. I mean,
they were kind of they were coming. What I find
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crazy is when you work and because these guys I
would imagine right or working events security, you'd think you
want to if you're going to do that specific job,
you'd have a pretty good idea of you know, the
main headliners, you know, going back to the sky listen.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think it's I think it's stunning. They didn't know
who Tyreek Hill was. But again, I don't think they were.
They weren't stadium security. They were chasing him because he
was speeding.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
He had been being chased down the road.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, I mean they pulled him over, but there was
like six cop cars back there.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Yeah, so maybe he just maybe he was gonna be late.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I mean, let's unless he was in a parade or
or getting a police escort, which I don't think either
was happening. You're right, they didn't know who he was.
But like, yeah, I'm going to disagree with you. I
don't think they may lose their job. I don't think
they should lose their job. I thought there was one
dude that was over the top, But we don't know
what their protocols are, right, Like, when a.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Guy in the situation always escalates, you know, his teammates
get out and clearly they don't know a football player
from me or you, and they start freaking out, you know,
and that, and it just gets it. The situation jumps
the shark. But one thing clear, Drew rosenhouses a lot
of first calls for a lot of guys around the league.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, he's interesting, which guys, he's the first calls for
there you go, oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
One that he can make a lot of money off.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah yeah, but they all have there there's always I mean,
like Tyreek Hills, no Angel.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Okay, well no, that's what it's like.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Now.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
He a sympathetic figure. He's got you know, he's got
a little uh, you've got skeleton's that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Closet, no question. Okay. Let let's get to a bunch
of stuff in this weekend. Let's start with last night.
Niners don't have CMC and yet they do dominate running
the football. And the Jets offense looked looked like it
was it was preseason. Looked like they weren't sharp, they
weren't ready. Was that more about the Niners or more
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about the Jets?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Well, the Niners are good and they have been five years,
so I mean, nothing's changed. I think last night, once
the Niners started kicking their butt, it's like, oh yeah,
the same old Niners. To me, the question is, and
you and I have been Rogers defenders, right. That made
a bunch of people have jumped in to try to
come after him, specifically as a player. His greatness was
predicated on not. He didn't play like Tom Brady. He could.
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He could sit in the boggy sall last night and
make the throws. But there was no one in the
history of the league who could scramble or move and
then still throw like Tom Brady and with the incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
With incredible accuracy, incredible release, the ease in which the
ball stamps off his hands and go ahead. So I
mean it wasn't yet good. It was.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
It was unmatched in anato history. Farm could do it,
but he was in as accurate, and balls would fly
all over the place, not turn the ball over. The
Aeron that we've known and held to such high regard
is that guy's gone. Do you know what he is?
He's a stronger armed Jared Goff. Here's the problem. Jared
Goff's team is dramatically better. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers team.
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I mean, Garrett Wilson is a really good player. They
got one wide receiver, they got a running back, and
this happens a lot of running backs. Everyone wants the
guy to be like Emma Smith, like, let's just yeah,
he had some moments. Let's seek how what he's out
their defense? Like that was supposed to be they were
supposed to be like, Okay, we'll just beat equals with
the forty nine ers. They were terrible. I mean they
were getting shoved around. The other thing is and all
(27:22):
I hear, you know, obviously Sawa in the Jets because
so much of the media's based in New York, have
a lot of people that want them to be good
so bad. All I heard is like, Hassan Reddick is
out of sight, out of mind. It doesn't well, yeah,
maybe out of sight out of mind, like in terms
of the players don't know him personally, but like that's
kind of a major issue. Because they get rid of
Bryce Houck, who had ten sacks and twenty plus quarterback hits.
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He goes to the Eagles. Well then they trade for Reddicks,
who had eleven sacks and twenty five quarterback hits. So
that player is just a zero. So yeah, Quinn william
is good, but the guy that they wanted to be
his other double digit sack ed drusher doesn't didn't exist,
which obviously is a Levey on Bell Like, I mean,
what a moronic business decision for son Reddick. But you're
(28:08):
never getting that money back, my man, Like you're gonna
look back when you're fifty or and be like, what
was I thinking? There's one thing to stand on principles
and let your ego get big. Eventually you got to
look in the mirror and go, is this truly a
good idea? Because can anyone in his life be like, listen, man,
I don't think I think we're approaching this wrong at
this point, and I'm sure there are. He's not listening
to anybody. But I watched the Jets and go, yeah,
(28:31):
I think their defense a little overrated. You watch the Niners,
who were clearly a top five defense when healthy. They're
better at every position group. So it's like, I just
think the Jets the last two years now, granted, who knows,
maybe they would have been better. Last year with Rogers
would have just looked like this form they clearly would
have been, But I'm just saying, like, would they make
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the playoffs or not? But they kind of feel like
Notre Dame. A lot of hype and just a lot
of like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Some of boll okay, let me get your blow of things.
Are we at the possibility we never see Russell Wilson again?
And not that not that justin fields is great, but
I don't know how hard he is, and it feels
like they're going to make him really be healthy before
they start him, which means they really don't want him
to start.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
And think about that defense they played Denver this week, right,
I mean that's a tough little matchup for the rookie quarterback.
So more than likely they're two to zero. And I
just think he kind of roll with the hot hand.
The one thing the fields gives them, which we've known
forever that Russell just does not at this point and
never he never ran quite like Fields, is that he
is a dynamic runner. I mean any moment, he's like
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Jesus Michael Vick. He actually I thought it was pretty accurate.
I think he did a pretty good job. That was
one of his better games of his career. Just kind
of managed the game, played under control, made some nice throws.
I've been saying it all loong. Just go with him,
see what you got. Maybe you can improve a little
bit better. He gives you a higher ceiling. But I
think it's that defense. And here's the thing. I think
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this is where we're there at the point now, Like
if he went to Russell, you go back to the field,
like all the feelings. Who even gives a crap because
that defense of TJ Wat's health, he looks. I watched
basically every game over the last five days. I don't
think you could list two or three better players week
one than TD Watt. He was. He looked like his
brother in his front, just a man amongst boys. And
(30:22):
if he's on the field, that defense man, they look
pretty good. So if the quarterback play where I might
pivot off them, if they can just get no turnovers,
like they could get double digit wins because that defense
is looking flying around all right.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
What about Lamar? We haven't talked since Lamar, but missed
a couple of guys in that last drive, had some
accuracy issues and they ran him a lot a lot. Man.
That's just Kansas City. That's his trip tonight. But what
do we think big picture in terms of Lamar?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, I mean he's kind of been. He improved after
his first couple of years. He clearly got a little
more comfortable in the pocket and against most of the
teams in the NFL, like he takes advantage of when
he plays the best team in the NFL with the
best secondary and the team that he has to beat
even to get to the super Bowl. I just don't
think he really has a chance. Like I didn't think
he was very good in that game at all. Obviously
(31:14):
the running, but like that's not how you beat them.
You've got to make the throws. I thought because of
the last like the game was looks closer and actually was.
I thought. My take on them is like I don't
think this version of Lamar unless he takes a dramatic
step throughout this season, they feel more comfortable passing the
(31:34):
ball from the pocket that they can win a Super Bowl.
And they're just not going to be as good as
they were last Clearly, the offensive lines on as good.
The defense is just going to take subtle steps back
because they've lost players they want their defensive coordinator. But
he definitely can't sustain doing what he did the other night.
I mean, he basically turns into a running back for
half the game. Mariet killed and he's an He's one of,
(31:56):
if not the best runner of all time. But I
think they are just they're more to me like a
ten win team than the version that we saw last
year that dominated. I mean, I think we look back
and go last year with their shot and they blew it.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Which of the rookie quarterbacks has to bet they none
of them look good. Which has the best chance to
play well?
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Well? I think just because Jayden can run, like of
the three guys, his one thing works right now. So
it's like, let's say they win this weekend twenty one
to seventeen, when you know Jayden could rush for eighty
yards and a touchdown or the other guys. I mean,
Caleb and bo are athletes, but they're really like athlete throwers, right,
(32:39):
they don't really want to scramble much more than like
the occasional run for a first down, like at the sideline.
So I just think Bonnick plays the Steelers this week.
Good luck, Buddy, and I like Bonix, but this could
get ugly. Caleb is a major work in progress, right,
I mean his confidence got rattled or league, which is understandable.
(33:01):
I mean, what a tight school football, college football, NFL
like the first time you ever play a game at
the next level of whatever you're doing, or any industry,
any job, first time you get a big promotion, you
go to first meeting, I mean it's it's dimidating, and
he was overwhelmed and then it kind of snowballs. But
I think those two guys could just be a major
work in progress. I saw Rome's getting an mri keenan.
(33:23):
We both love the guy, but he does get banged
up a little bit and went and around all of
a sudden, It's like, can this guy carry it now?
Luckily for the Bears in that game, Will Levis you know,
turned into Daniel Jones and their defense is pretty good.
But Caleb and bo Knicks can't not really function and
their team win games. It's just not like I think
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the spot the Bears are going through this week Sunday
Night Football, a lot of eyeballs against Houston, who's pretty
darn good is there could be a Demico defensive kind
of mastermind. It could get ugly again for Caleb.
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Speaker 2 (34:49):
Dan Byer, what's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 7 (34:50):
The game is rank? Um?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
All right, Doug, rank your top three teams after Week
one of the NFL season.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Good call, good question.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Half the league's half of the league's winless.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That is that is true? That is true. I'm gonna
make the Niners the number one team. I know it's
targard level of competition, right where the Eagles beat a
more talented Green Bay Packers team in a neutral site environment.
But I'll put the I'll put the the Niners as
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the number one team in the league. So now, now
I gotta figure out the rest of the right, I'll
go Niners, Chiefs, Eagles, Eagles three, Chiefs two, Niners one.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
All right, Doug, rank your top three stories from week one.
Not necessarily the best teams. But are your biggest takeaways
from week one?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Mm hm Three would be that the rookie quarterbacks really
you know, in the past weeks and rookie quarterbacks come
in and look really, really good. That did not take
place this week. I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
The off season, the preseason, where guys don't play or
guys are holdings, does have a much bigger effect, not
just on the quality of play, but the quality of
Like CINCINNTI Bengals looked like they weren't ready, and maybe
we need to give more credit to the Patriots. That's fair,
but maybe we need to say, like, hey, missing those
guys that does, in fact, does in fact hurts you that.
(36:38):
That's that's two. The number one storyline, I do think
it's Tyreek Hill being cuffed outside their stadium, Like that
was the weirdest stuff I've ever seen, Like, I just
there's a lot of bad to it. Just but if
you just said, like star wide receiver in a car
(37:00):
was apparently speeding but whatever, and ends up being cuffed
and then plays well and they win like that whole
that's a long day. That's a numbers it's a gigantic,
bizarre tale, but it's the most Tyreek Hill story ever,
by the way.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
All right, finally, Doug, rank your top three Pittsburgh Steelers
quarterbacks of all time?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Top three Steelers quarterbacks of all time? Good question. I
think that who's third?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
That's the question. Yes, but you'd put Big Ben over Bradshaw?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yes, yeah, you'd have to, yes, yep.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, Bradshaw too, Big Ben one. I'm gonna enough Steeler history,
but I'm not gonna go Tommy Matt boy Brister took
him to Super Bowl, not you, rister, No he didn't.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Cordell Stewart's Neil Donald Neil'donald.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Sure, okay, all right, that's game time.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Cordell
Stewart their.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Third all time leading passer.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
And Cordel Stewart had a great He had a great
I mean, can you imagine him now the way we
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have a ton to get to. Let me introduce the crew,
if you will. That's the one and only Jason Stewart
g STU as he's known, and of course you have
Dan Byer will be part of the He is a
huge part of the show, and of course you're hear
him with the updates then Chris Burfett on the ones
(01:09):
and two. First, I just want to check and make
sure you guys have all seen you guys have all
seen the video of Tyreek Hill being cuffed and stuffed
on Sunday. Correct. When I see the video, I'm not
saying the normal video. I'm saying the bodycam footage that
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was released last night. Have you guys all seen that?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yep? Yes, several body comps by the way, or yeah,
multiple ones, multiple different times as well.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yes, yeah. I guess what I'll do is I'll give
my opinion first, okay. And the problem with giving your
opinion first when it's your show is sometimes on some
shows guys are scared to give their own opinion. Okay,
our guys are not. You know, my opinion often differs
with with Jay stew or with Dan Byer, and so
(02:02):
I respect it. So please please don't think that me
in my opinion, should stop you from having your opinion.
The first thing is it's really easy for lots of
shows like mine to avoid this topic. It just is,
you know, do the update, do the thing whatever. I
just don't want to. I think that's just so soft,
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because I think it's one of those things where both
things can be true. Okay, it can be true that historically,
historically black men can feel like they're treated poorly by police,
and yet this is not an example of that. Right,
(02:52):
it can also be both be true that police are
on a power trip. This might not be a great
example of that. So I'll just tell you what I've
seen from the video. And I have friends that are
police officers. I have friends that despise police officers. I've
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personally felt like, not necessarily violated, but I felt like
there's been cops who have been over the top, and
I've had cops treat me with incredible kindness. Not knowing
was my first week on the job at Green Bay
as a head coach. I couldn't sleep. In the middle
of the night, I got up, I drove. I was
(03:35):
staying at a hotel with the Legacy Hotel, which brand
new hotel looks over lambeau Field. I got my car
and I took a left and like Midwest small town America,
there's only gas stations open at like midnight, one in
the morning, whatever time it was, and I just wanted
to snack, and so I went into like a quick
(03:57):
trip or whatever, and I got a liquor with death
and a coffee. No, I didn't get a coffee. I
was trying to I was trying to go to sleep.
I got a liquid death and I got like a
power bar or something and maybe some sunflower seeds. And
I got my car and I took a wrong turn again,
like it was I think six day in town. I
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took a wrong turn. So I went to light. I
flipped a yuie, came back and got lit up and
they're like what do you? And I got pulled over
and there's three cop cars like what are you making
a U turn for? It's like, well, my hotel's that way.
And I didn't have any idea with me nothing cause
I just it was middle of the night. I went
down and I had my phone, so I did Apple
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id Apple pay in order to pay for it. They
asked me, you know, is there marijuana in the car.
I was like, not that I'm aware of. There was
a rental car. I just got it yesterday. Yanked rental
car paperwork. When you're on Emerald Dile, I don't have
any rental car our paperwork right. So they're like trying
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to check all this stuff out that I didn't have.
I'm sitting on the curb. I was incredibly courteous. They
had no idea who I was, not that it matters.
They want to make sure I didn't fit the I
fit the description of a suspect. They actually patted me down,
they searched through my whole car, they brought out the dogs.
There's nothing there, and they let me go. It wasn't comfortable,
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and I felt like there's one cop that was a
little bit over the top, but like on some level,
I guess I'd get it. I don't know. Here's what
I saw. Apparently Tyreek Hill was speeding. There have been
reports that's in excess of fifty miles an hour over
the speed limit. I don't know if that's true, but
if you look at the bodycam footage, there's six motorcycles
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I believe behind him. Either it was just rare happenstance
that there were five motorcycles and a cop pulling him over.
Five motorcycles already parked there in a cop them over,
or they were chasing him for a bit and then
when they walk up to his window. We've all been
in this situation for right. No one's happy about being
pulled over, especially when they're running late, which is probably
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why tyreek Hill was speeding. One he probably drives fast
and doesn't care. And two he'd probably run a little
bit late. So he puts down the window. And when
the police officer asks for ask him to keep the says,
why are you banging on my window? Why do you
think is to get the window down? Here's where I
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have actual empathy for police officers. When that window, which
is tinted, gets rolled back up, you can't see in
And why would you roll back up your window unless
you're hiding something? And while I don't know if you carry,
I don't carry, But if you're a police officer, you
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know that you have to assume every person you pull
over is carrying a load of weapon. So you pull
up to a car it's got tinted windows, he won't
war up. He rolled up the window after he can
you his ID. He's already non compliant and just being
abrasive to be abrasive, and then he rolls up his
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window like you don't have to know who it is.
Would I like to think that you walk up to
the window and me being a football fans like, Tyreek Hill,
what are you doing, man? Why are you speeding making
us pull you over on a Sunday. We're getting ready
to cheer for you for the Dolphins. But they knew
who he was and didn't care. Didn't care, which is,
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by the way, how they're actually supposed to do their job.
So instead he's combatant. And then the second police officers like,
all right, well, you don't want to get out of
the car. And then the guy's like, we're gonna arrest
you right now. We're gonna get you out of the car.
And the second he was overly aggressive. I'm not gonna
lie to you, no doubt. Now. What we don't know
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is we don't know what those police officers were taught,
because I'm guessing that while it appears that he was
a little heavy handed in his approach in taking Tyreek
Hill out of the car, the fact is you can't
when you don't know what somebody has on their person.
You cannot go like, hey, can you get out of
the car. Can you not? Oh, you're gonna put your
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hands in your pockets. That's fine, Like that's not how
it works. Again, you have to start every conversation with
the belief that that person is carrying. So my assessment
of it was Tyreek Hill is embarrassing himself fifteen times over.
So too is Drew Rosenhouse. Tyreek Hills saying, my mama
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didn't raise me that way. Tyreek, I'm in Oklahoma state, Alum,
we don't even like to claim yet because you beat
up your girlfriend after beating Oklahoma, Like, what are we
talking about here? Like what are we actually doing? So
I understand that you don't have this many people black
people saying we've been treated poorly by police unless it happened.
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And I grew up in Los Angeles. I remember Rodney
King beating Okay, and Rodney King was no angel, but
he did not deserve that vicious beating that he took
from police officers. I saw it. I was alive during
the riots. I'm not an idiot. I don't want to
be called idiot, and I'm not gonna be called something
I'm not. Don't label me something or not. I'm a
radical centrist, but I'm also a reasonable human being. And
(09:25):
anybody knows that a cop pulls up and knocks on
your window, you don't go where you knock on my
window for to get you to roll down the window
to give me your ID so I can give you
a ticket for speeding. This is not your first rodeo.
You've actually been to jail before. Do you want to
go again? No, life's not that hard. I don't think
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the cops should be fired. I think the one cop
felt a little aggressive, but generally that's and then kalais
Campbell like, dude, your teammate, You're you're being a great teammate,
trying to support him. But what you can do is
you can't roll up on the A bunch of cops
hop out of a car, leave it running and approach
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a police officer with an active situation. I actually should think,
though verbally there may have been a confrontation. I thought
they showed a lot of restraint. So do I think
all cops have behaved well? Of course not. Do I
think cops can be on a power trip? Of course?
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Do I think racism has played a factor in the past. Yes, probably.
I can't say definitely, but probably. Do I think cops
have been on a power trip in the past and
sometimes in the present. Sure is that the case here?
I don't think so. Dan Byer, let me get your thoughts.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Well, A lot of it is along the lines of
what you said. I thought that tyreek Hill should have
kept his window down. It's funny because I know that
there are people and I've had family members who would
get a speeding ticket and it bothers them zero. They
are basically saying what tyreek Hill says, just come in
the ticket, and I'll go, that's fine.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
For me personally, I have a complex. It'd be like
what the heck's going on? You know, I just you know,
freak out about it. But there are other people that
are just like, all right, just com in the ticket.
I'll go, just just let me on my way. But
I do think that you have to comply at some point,
and so I think that tyreek Hill was in the wrong.
And I actually kind of put it to the Scotty
Scheffler point of view of what we had in May
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of when Scheffler was pulled over, and whether it was
an officer or not, you needed to follow and listen
to what they said, because it's sure like you seemed
like it was a person of authority. And that's where
I think that tyreek Hill was wrong in this situation.
I I the third video camera that I saw, like
when they were then trying to put him to the
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ground and take him to the ground, that seemed pretty excessive.
And when you said when that second officer came in
and they just they dragged him out of the car,
did seem excessive. It did start with Tyreek Hill not complying.
So I it's a it's two wrongs that don't make
a right sort of thing. I think that the officers
are more in the wrong. But you know, to have
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Tyreek Hill is a martyr here or just this ultimate victim,
it's just a little tough for me to take considering.
I think some of this could have been avoided if
you would have just listened or just rolled down the window,
gotten his ticket and left right.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Here's Tyreek Hill on CNN last night.
Speaker 6 (12:23):
I'm a good old country boy from South Georgia. Man, like,
I'm not a big believer in dividing people.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
You know, I don't believe in all that, man.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I believe in.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Bringing people together, because that's my purpose in life. I
do football camps all across the world, man, trying to
bring different people together, different kids, different parents, you know,
because we and this together, baby, Like we on this
earth together. We got to live together. So when I
say let's make a change, let's do it together. So
Miami PD really all officers across the world, man, because
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one officer doesn't you know what I'm saying, the whole
group look bad. Like every everybody has bad apples, you
know what I'm saying, Every team has bad apples. It's
my job to use my platform and my resources so
that way I'm able to align, you know with you
know these you know, different stations. So that's what I
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mean when I say let's make a change, like because
we don't try it at all, you know what I'm saying,
Like we don't protest.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
We even took a knee, you know, we.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Don'et did walks like so what's nixt. So right now,
me and my wife we write our brainstorming on how
can we be a part of this change?
Speaker 8 (13:34):
You know?
Speaker 6 (13:35):
So it's important to us, you know, because we want
to be able to change lives all all the way
across the world, not just Miami.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I haven't read uh Eon Thomas, who's a former NBA
player booker t Washington and Tulsa. He read an article
that said, it showed a group of police officers on
a power trip exhibiting unprofessionalism and abusive authority through an
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ultra aggressive combative behavior. From what I saw, they went
out of their way to escalate the situation far beyond
what was necessary. His point is that if he was
a black man, wasn't famous with the situation have ended
a lot worse. The answer is surely yes. Like eton,
that is so offensive, so offensive, it had zero to
do with him being black. It had one hundred percent
(14:30):
with him to do with being combative. If I acted
the same way, I would be treated the same way. Dan,
do you do believe that to be different? I offer up.
I'm asking your honest opinion.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
I would hope, but I do think I would. I
would hope, but I am not completely there yet.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
I would hope that you would be Jason, GoAhead.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
So I'm not sure what the source is of.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
What you just read Thomas for the Guardians. I'm a
NBA player. He's a very very understood, left leaning, woke
civil rights advocate, and you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Know what, he has a much different life experience than
you me, Dan and Chris, and I totally understand that.
But I want to give the opposite opinion here. If
you go do the officer tatum on Twitter, there's this
guy with a massive social media following, former cop, happens
to be black. But I don't think that's important here.
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And this is what his kind of sum up tweet
is of the situation. Keep the window down. Why are
you rolling the window up? That's an officer safety issue.
They don't know this man. He could be pulling a
gun out. Keep the window down. They ask you a
simple question. You're the one at fault, not them. In
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my opinion, Doug. To have like a functioning society of
rules and laws, you need to have people paid to
enforce those laws. And if you're willing to break the
law and are confronted by a police officer, you should
be compelled to be deferential in that moment. You should
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treat the officer with respect. Tyreek Kill did the exact
opposite from the go from the jump. How many times
can a police officer ask you to roll your window down?
How many times could they ask you to get out
of the car. How many times could they ask you
to get on the ground if you're not being cooperative?
What should they do? What's the answer to that question.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
It's a great question. So Dan, let me ask you,
because we'll talk about this someone in the pod and
Profet you can get in the pod. What would you
do if you're the police officer and a guy is
not complying with the first roll to wind it down
and then to get out of the car.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I don't know. I don't know what their protocol is.
If that's a part of their protocol, then I would follow,
you know, what they would need to do. If they
need to physically remove him from the car, then they can,
then that's what I would end up doing. I didn't
think that that was as egregious as maybe some of
the other stuff that I saw. I know, like it was,
(17:22):
you know, the car was awkward, it's low, you're dragging
him out, and he's put down on the ground. That
wasn't as much. It was maybe the other stuff when
he was trying to sit and stand and I know
he had a knee surgery, but he was about to
play a football game, so that excuse didn't necessarily fly
with me. But it felt like that was extra at
that point, taking him to the ground out of the car.
If that's what the protocol was, it wasn't as shocking
(17:46):
to me in that sort of situation.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I would, I would. Here's the point about the knee surgery.
And again it's because we know he's Tyreek Hill. And
I saw an arrest this week and on social media
where a woman was She wasn't even being like forcefully detained.
They had her hands behind her back or something, and
(18:08):
she was saying, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. Right,
And which, of course is the guy who was was
who died in New York, Right, he was selling cigarettes,
unlicensed cigarettes out in front of a liquor store. But
there was no breathing problem with her, right none. It
was Eric Gardner, Eric Garner who was. But the point was,
(18:33):
and I think, Jason, you made this last night when
we talked on the phone, which is while most of
us were like, oh dude, Tyreek Hill, is something wrong
with need like, don't again, first if somebody tells you
send the curves in the curb. Secondly, they're lied to
every day every day. It's like the old it's the
old joke in Shawshanka prison. Right, every man in here
(18:58):
is innocent. Just it doesn't work. I wish I could
tell you that every time a cop walks up to
a carter window, nobody opens fire on a police officer.
But the reality is that happens. I wish I could
tell you that people only say they've had knee surgery
or have a back problem when they're being arrested if
they've had knee surgery or back problem. But people ie
(19:19):
all the time. And I thought it was extra two
to be honest with you, Dan, But I also I'm
guessing that part of its protocols and part of it
is like you just have no time in those situations
to be like nice and cordial. You have to get
them to the ground to where there's no chance that
(19:40):
they can pull a weapon on you or you know,
make a move on you and take you to the.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Ground real quick. Doug, And yes, I mean we're gonna talk.
We'll talk a lot more about this on the podcast.
I don't have a lot of, you know, police friends.
I do have a lot of legal friends and a
few lawyer friends around the family. I think one place
where this really got murky too was that the Miami
Miami Dade Police Department immediately put the officers on administrative leave,
(20:07):
which now has brought you know, law representation from from
the police officer side as well as whatever's going to
happen from the Tyreek Hill side. You know, the police
officer's legal representation. Thought it was premature, but I think
that administrative leave immediately also really mucked up like everything
around here, and it made it murky, and that by
(20:29):
doing that, you're kind of implying something went wrong when
I don't know, I don't know if they should have
stood by him, if that was the right move to
immediately put him on leave.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
It was.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it
was the right thing. I understand what you're saying. I
think it was the right thing. But they do this
whenever it's an officer involved shooting as well. They put
him on leave, They check out all the body cam footage,
they interview everybody around, and then they decide how they
want to proceed. It's just taking him in and kind
of removing him from from the hot stop. I agree
with you, I thought it was premature as well.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
It just sends it just sends a signal.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I think it's like he did something wrong. We didn't
do anything wrong. But again, I'm guessing. Again, this is
me guessing that much like aggressively taking a non compliant
driver out of his car when he refuses commands, is
part of their protocol. The only way you get fired
is if you violate protocol. That's how you get fired.
(21:21):
So you can want to change protocol, but there's a
logic behind it, and I would say that in regards
to him being put on leave, I agree with you.
When I heard that at the time, I was like, Ooh,
something bad must happen. Then I watched the Then I
watched the bodycam footage and I was like, yeah, I'm
not sure they did anything wrong there other than being
(21:42):
a little bit aggressive and getting him out of the
car and taking him to the ground. So I'm with you,
but I'm guessing that's just to remove him from it
so they can make a clear and concise decision. Give
us your thoughts, What did you think? What did you see?
At Gottlieb Show Twitter, at Gottlieb Show Instagram.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
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Speaker 2 (22:11):
Doug gottleep Show Fox Sports Radio. We got rank them
coming up to the bottom of the hour. In the meantime,
let's get to John Mittlecoff. He joins us year on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. John, thanks
so much for joining us. We get to the last
night's game in a second. I'm sure you've seen the
body cam footage now with the Tyreek Hill incident. What's
what's your opinion.
Speaker 8 (22:33):
I've been to a lot of events, and I do
believe that sometimes I've seen it happen for years in
the Bay are going to Niners and Raiders games and
Warriors games. Is you get some over sell US cops
and situations where there's obviously a lot of traffic, and
I've never seen anything like that. I mean, I thought
it was kind of insane, not kinda I mean I
(22:56):
thought it was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I mean, like, let me can I can I
ask you like a compos you over and you're going
you're clearly speeding apparently some reports more than fifty miles
an hour over the speed limit. Like you're not going
to roll down your window and you got a tinted
front window, Like what do you think is going to happen.
Speaker 8 (23:13):
Yeah, I mean I guess he could have rolled down
his window right away. I mean again I didn't. I
thought he was pulled over. I haven't looked that much
into the story, and I personally, once he got out
and score touchdown, I just don't care that much. Good
But obviously all these guys are gonna lose their job.
I mean it's pretty clear what's going to happen. Is
that I just assumed that he was pulling in, uh,
(23:34):
you know, to the thing Scottie Scheffler style. But I
guess is that not what happened. You know, he was
so I don't know. I mean I I just think
these situations, it just didn't need to get that out
of hand. Now you're right, I mean, why didn't say
pull down, roll down the window, talk to him? But
I don't think it would have changed much. I mean,
they were kind of they were coming. What I find
(23:55):
crazy is when you work and because these guys I
would imagine right or working events security, you'd think you
want to if you're going to do that specific job,
you'd have a pretty good idea of you know, the
main headliners, you know, going back to the sky listen.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I think it's I think it's stunning. They didn't know
who Tyreek Hill was. But again, I don't think they were.
They weren't stadium security. They were chasing him because he
was speeding.
Speaker 8 (24:21):
He had been being chased down the road.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, I mean they pulled him over, but there was
like six cop cars back there.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
Yeah, so maybe he just maybe he was gonna be late.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
I mean, let's unless he was in a parade or
or getting a police escort, which I don't think either
was happening. You're right, they didn't know who he was.
But like, yeah, I'm going to disagree with you. I
don't think they may lose their job. I don't think
they should lose their job. I thought there was one
dude that was over the top, But we don't know
what their protocols are, right, Like, when a.
Speaker 8 (24:48):
Guy in the situation always escalates, you know, his teammates
get out and clearly they don't know a football player
from me or you, and they start freaking out, you know,
and that, and it just gets it. The situation jumps
the shark. But one thing clear, Drew rosenhouses a lot
of first calls for a lot of guys around the league.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, he's interesting, which guys, he's the first calls for
there you go, oh yeah.
Speaker 8 (25:15):
One that he can make a lot of money off.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah yeah, but they all have there there's always I mean,
like Tyreek Hills, no Angel.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Okay, well no, that's what it's like.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
Now.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
He a sympathetic figure. He's got you know, he's got
a little uh, you've got skeleton's that.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Closet, no question. Okay. Let let's get to a bunch
of stuff in this weekend. Let's start with last night.
Niners don't have CMC and yet they do dominate running
the football. And the Jets offense looked looked like it
was it was preseason. Looked like they weren't sharp, they
weren't ready. Was that more about the Niners or more
(25:50):
about the Jets?
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Well, the Niners are good and they have been five years,
so I mean, nothing's changed. I think last night, once
the Niners started kicking their butt, it's like, oh yeah,
the same old Niners. To me, the question is, and
you and I have been Rogers defenders, right. That made
a bunch of people have jumped in to try to
come after him, specifically as a player. His greatness was
predicated on not. He didn't play like Tom Brady. He could.
(26:15):
He could sit in the boggy sall last night and
make the throws. But there was no one in the
history of the league who could scramble or move and
then still throw like Tom Brady and with the incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
With incredible accuracy, incredible release, the ease in which the
ball stamps off his hands and go ahead. So I
mean it wasn't yet good. It was.
Speaker 8 (26:38):
It was unmatched in anato history. Farm could do it,
but he was in as accurate, and balls would fly
all over the place, not turn the ball over. The
Aeron that we've known and held to such high regard
is that guy's gone. Do you know what he is?
He's a stronger armed Jared Goff. Here's the problem. Jared
Goff's team is dramatically better. I'm watching Aaron Rodgers team.
(27:00):
I mean, Garrett Wilson is a really good player. They
got one wide receiver, they got a running back, and
this happens a lot of running backs. Everyone wants the
guy to be like Emma Smith, like, let's just yeah,
he had some moments. Let's seek how what he's out
their defense? Like that was supposed to be they were
supposed to be like, Okay, we'll just beat equals with
the forty nine ers. They were terrible. I mean they
were getting shoved around. The other thing is and all
(27:22):
I hear, you know, obviously Sawa in the Jets because
so much of the media's based in New York, have
a lot of people that want them to be good
so bad. All I heard is like, Hassan Reddick is
out of sight, out of mind. It doesn't well, yeah,
maybe out of sight out of mind, like in terms
of the players don't know him personally, but like that's
kind of a major issue. Because they get rid of
Bryce Houck, who had ten sacks and twenty plus quarterback hits.
(27:45):
He goes to the Eagles. Well then they trade for Reddicks,
who had eleven sacks and twenty five quarterback hits. So
that player is just a zero. So yeah, Quinn william
is good, but the guy that they wanted to be
his other double digit sack ed drusher doesn't didn't exist,
which obviously is a Levey on Bell Like, I mean,
what a moronic business decision for son Reddick. But you're
(28:08):
never getting that money back, my man, Like you're gonna
look back when you're fifty or and be like, what
was I thinking? There's one thing to stand on principles
and let your ego get big. Eventually you got to
look in the mirror and go, is this truly a
good idea? Because can anyone in his life be like, listen, man,
I don't think I think we're approaching this wrong at
this point, and I'm sure there are. He's not listening
to anybody. But I watched the Jets and go, yeah,
(28:31):
I think their defense a little overrated. You watch the Niners,
who were clearly a top five defense when healthy. They're
better at every position group. So it's like, I just
think the Jets the last two years now, granted, who knows,
maybe they would have been better. Last year with Rogers
would have just looked like this form they clearly would
have been, But I'm just saying, like, would they make
(28:52):
the playoffs or not? But they kind of feel like
Notre Dame. A lot of hype and just a lot
of like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Some of boll okay, let me get your blow of things.
Are we at the possibility we never see Russell Wilson again?
And not that not that justin fields is great, but
I don't know how hard he is, and it feels
like they're going to make him really be healthy before
they start him, which means they really don't want him
to start.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
And think about that defense they played Denver this week, right,
I mean that's a tough little matchup for the rookie quarterback.
So more than likely they're two to zero. And I
just think he kind of roll with the hot hand.
The one thing the fields gives them, which we've known
forever that Russell just does not at this point and
never he never ran quite like Fields, is that he
is a dynamic runner. I mean any moment, he's like
(29:39):
Jesus Michael Vick. He actually I thought it was pretty accurate.
I think he did a pretty good job. That was
one of his better games of his career. Just kind
of managed the game, played under control, made some nice throws.
I've been saying it all loong. Just go with him,
see what you got. Maybe you can improve a little
bit better. He gives you a higher ceiling. But I
think it's that defense. And here's the thing. I think
(30:01):
this is where we're there at the point now, Like
if he went to Russell, you go back to the field,
like all the feelings. Who even gives a crap because
that defense of TJ Wat's health, he looks. I watched
basically every game over the last five days. I don't
think you could list two or three better players week
one than TD Watt. He was. He looked like his
brother in his front, just a man amongst boys. And
(30:22):
if he's on the field, that defense man, they look
pretty good. So if the quarterback play where I might
pivot off them, if they can just get no turnovers,
like they could get double digit wins because that defense
is looking flying around all right.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
What about Lamar? We haven't talked since Lamar, but missed
a couple of guys in that last drive, had some
accuracy issues and they ran him a lot a lot. Man.
That's just Kansas City. That's his trip tonight. But what
do we think big picture in terms of Lamar?
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Yeah, I mean he's kind of been. He improved after
his first couple of years. He clearly got a little
more comfortable in the pocket and against most of the
teams in the NFL, like he takes advantage of when
he plays the best team in the NFL with the
best secondary and the team that he has to beat
even to get to the super Bowl. I just don't
think he really has a chance. Like I didn't think
he was very good in that game at all. Obviously
(31:14):
the running, but like that's not how you beat them.
You've got to make the throws. I thought because of
the last like the game was looks closer and actually was.
I thought. My take on them is like I don't
think this version of Lamar unless he takes a dramatic
step throughout this season, they feel more comfortable passing the
(31:34):
ball from the pocket that they can win a Super Bowl.
And they're just not going to be as good as
they were last Clearly, the offensive lines on as good.
The defense is just going to take subtle steps back
because they've lost players they want their defensive coordinator. But
he definitely can't sustain doing what he did the other night.
I mean, he basically turns into a running back for
half the game. Mariet killed and he's an He's one of,
(31:56):
if not the best runner of all time. But I
think they are just they're more to me like a
ten win team than the version that we saw last
year that dominated. I mean, I think we look back
and go last year with their shot and they blew it.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Which of the rookie quarterbacks has to bet they none
of them look good. Which has the best chance to
play well?
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Well? I think just because Jayden can run, like of
the three guys, his one thing works right now. So
it's like, let's say they win this weekend twenty one
to seventeen, when you know Jayden could rush for eighty
yards and a touchdown or the other guys. I mean,
Caleb and bo are athletes, but they're really like athlete throwers, right,
(32:39):
they don't really want to scramble much more than like
the occasional run for a first down, like at the sideline.
So I just think Bonnick plays the Steelers this week.
Good luck, Buddy, and I like Bonix, but this could
get ugly. Caleb is a major work in progress, right,
I mean his confidence got rattled or league, which is understandable.
(33:01):
I mean, what a tight school football, college football, NFL
like the first time you ever play a game at
the next level of whatever you're doing, or any industry,
any job, first time you get a big promotion, you
go to first meeting, I mean it's it's dimidating, and
he was overwhelmed and then it kind of snowballs. But
I think those two guys could just be a major
work in progress. I saw Rome's getting an mri keenan.
(33:23):
We both love the guy, but he does get banged
up a little bit and went and around all of
a sudden, It's like, can this guy carry it now?
Luckily for the Bears in that game, Will Levis you know,
turned into Daniel Jones and their defense is pretty good.
But Caleb and bo Knicks can't not really function and
their team win games. It's just not like I think
(33:46):
the spot the Bears are going through this week Sunday
Night Football, a lot of eyeballs against Houston, who's pretty
darn good is there could be a Demico defensive kind
of mastermind. It could get ugly again for Caleb.
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Speaker 7 (34:39):
This is game time, game s on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Dan Byer, what's the game today, Doug?
Speaker 7 (34:50):
The game is rank? Um?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
All right, Doug, rank your top three teams after Week
one of the NFL season.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Good call, good question.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Half the league's half of the league's winless.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
That is that is true? That is true. I'm gonna
make the Niners the number one team. I know it's
targard level of competition, right where the Eagles beat a
more talented Green Bay Packers team in a neutral site environment.
But I'll put the I'll put the the Niners as
(35:25):
the number one team in the league. So now, now
I gotta figure out the rest of the right, I'll
go Niners, Chiefs, Eagles, Eagles three, Chiefs two, Niners one.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
All right, Doug, rank your top three stories from week one.
Not necessarily the best teams. But are your biggest takeaways
from week one?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Mm hm Three would be that the rookie quarterbacks really
you know, in the past weeks and rookie quarterbacks come
in and look really, really good. That did not take
place this week. I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
The off season, the preseason, where guys don't play or
guys are holdings, does have a much bigger effect, not
just on the quality of play, but the quality of
Like CINCINNTI Bengals looked like they weren't ready, and maybe
we need to give more credit to the Patriots. That's fair,
but maybe we need to say, like, hey, missing those
guys that does, in fact, does in fact hurts you that.
(36:38):
That's that's two. The number one storyline, I do think
it's Tyreek Hill being cuffed outside their stadium, Like that
was the weirdest stuff I've ever seen, Like, I just
there's a lot of bad to it. Just but if
you just said, like star wide receiver in a car
(37:00):
was apparently speeding but whatever, and ends up being cuffed
and then plays well and they win like that whole
that's a long day. That's a numbers it's a gigantic,
bizarre tale, but it's the most Tyreek Hill story ever,
by the way.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
All right, finally, Doug, rank your top three Pittsburgh Steelers
quarterbacks of all time?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Top three Steelers quarterbacks of all time? Good question. I
think that who's third?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
That's the question. Yes, but you'd put Big Ben over Bradshaw?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Right?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Yes, yeah, you'd have to, yes, yep.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, Bradshaw too, Big Ben one. I'm gonna enough Steeler history,
but I'm not gonna go Tommy Matt boy Brister took
him to Super Bowl, not you, rister, No he didn't.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Cordell Stewart's Neil Donald Neil'donald.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Sure, okay, all right, that's game time.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Cordell
Stewart their.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Third all time leading passer.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
And Cordel Stewart had a great He had a great
I mean, can you imagine him now the way we
view quarterbacks now? Sure be so different, so different. Doug
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