May 27, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and Dan Beyer discuss why this year's NBA champion might be the worst champion the league has delivered in decades. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst and prolific podcaster John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about Aaron Rodgers, the Steelers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Rank 'Em".
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Welcome in Hope. You're doing great the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey,
guess who's in studio with the boys in Los Angeles?
What's up, guys? How are we doing?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Dude named Doug.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, some dude named Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm just some dude named Doug.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
He dude name Doug.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Good to see Dan Byer. I heard you guys filling
in yesterday. Guys did a great job with Monseys. Thank you,
Welcome back, Doug, thank you. Hey got it. It's one
of those things where this is why I don't actually
like taking days off, because now I'm like, should I
talk about that? You guys talked about it yesterday? Type
(01:07):
of this talked about yesterday, So let's let's let's have
this conversation, Dan, I was driving yesterday. I want to say,
I want to know if I was driving or I
was listing on my phone, I can't remember, but you
were talking about this is I don't know if you said,
I don't want to know who the word bad, but
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this is probably the worst We'll have the worst champion
that we've ever we've had in Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Think whoever wins the NBA title will probably be the
worst champion we've seen in the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, contextualize it, well, why you would say worst.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Well, I just I look at the teams that we've
had win titles over the generations that I've watched basketball,
the decades that I've watched there's I don't think that
you could take the and I took the Thunder for
this example, because I feel that they were the best
of the four teams. Remaining sure that they weren't better
than the Lakers teams or the Celtics teams of the eighties.
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They weren't better than the Bulls run in the nineteen nineties,
they weren't better than Shacks and Kobe's Lakers in the
early oughts, and then Kobe's back to back championship. I
don't think they were better than the eight Celtics. Then
you go to the Warriors and the Calves and Lebron.
I just don't think that this team is or any
of the four teams that win would match up to
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those teams. And I think it's because of a spot
that we're at in the NBA at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Okay, I think it's a it's a really good discussion,
and I want to have it. Okay, So a couple things.
You're right as of right now. There's a chance you
could be wrong. Let me let me kind of expound
upon that. The first part is you're already wrong from
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and this is where your last sentence is right, which
is the place that we are in in the NBA.
Because reality is, if Oklahoma City Thunder and they took
a commanding three games one lead with a win over
the Minnesota Timberwolves last night, if the Oklahoma City Thunder
do win an NBA championship, we got to realize that
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as much as we think that they're not great, you know,
they're not one of the elite all time teams. They
will have had the best record in the regular season
and they're very likely to have, despite the fact Denver
took them seven the best record in the postseason as well, right,
like it's the first series. Wasn't heavy lifting for them?
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This one may only go five games as well, five, five, seven.
We'll see what the finals go. There's a world there
where they have You know, what was the thunder play?
I mean the Warriors won seventy seventy what games the
year they won the title with Kevin Durant? How many
games they win the year?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't remember. Yeah, I'll look it up quick.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
It's like a high sixties whatever, right, and then I
think they us what one playoff game?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah? I was Game four to the Cavs.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right, it was like sixteen and one in the playoffs. Right,
this team has lost, Uh what do we got?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Four?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Five, five games so far in the playoffs. So obviously
you're not going to be an all time great postseason team.
But if I said, hey, you're the best record in
the regular season by four games in the better division
which is the or better conference which is the West,
and you have a pretty clean record in the playoffs,
why are they not a great team? And the reason
they're not a great team is you don't have any
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historically great players, right, that's the only yes. Okay, So,
but the issue is, well, what if Shay is Kobe
I will now he'll never be He'll never have the
persona of Kobe Bryant. His dad didn't play in the NBA.
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He wasn't, you know, drafted straight out of high school.
He actually went to Kentucky, which should have but he
because he got tre after the Clippers year whatever, he
switched teams and it's been it's been a growth process.
But he's twenty six years old. It's not like he's
thirty to two, thirty three, thirty four and he's still
chasing it. And he's James Harden, always been good, never
come through. Like he's risen through the ranks to being
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the league MVP. And there's a world where they win
one and maybe they went another one, maybe they went
another one, and then we look back, we're like, that
was an incredible team. Because right now we view Shay
as as foul merchant.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's the MVP.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But he's the MVP because it's kind of a dark
time in the NBA. You have these aging out superstars
and we look at Jalen Williams and we're like, Jayla
Williams is such a surprise, it's a incredible surprise. He
was lightly recruited. He's out of Arizona. He played in
a small AAU team. Then he went and played for
Herbert Syndic at Santa Clara and last night he had
a great game. And we view Jala Williams as nice player,
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number two guy. But again, Jayala Williams, how old is he?
He's like twenty four years old. So our view of
it now in the moment is completely accurate. But there's
a world where these guys get to thirty and they
have multiple titles. Shay gets the thirty, He's got multiple titles,
multiple MVPs, and we're like, wow, that was an incredible team.
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Incredible team.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't dispute any of that.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
And in fact, Doug, I could see a parallel because
one of the passions in my life is golf and
you know my connections to Aaron Hills, who were just
recently there and the US Women's Open is there this week.
I'll be there on Sunday. Yes, yeah, I'll be there
on Sunday. You need I will talk, No, I've got
(06:40):
I'm doing my Sunday shows. Yeah, well, I don't know,
maybe in the point being, I'll be there on Sunday.
But the twenty seventeen US Open was thought to be
a dud. Tiger didn't play, Phil Mickelson withdrew to attend
a graduation, and Rory didn't make the cut. It wasn't
the typical US Open because the rough wasn't eight feet
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high that people like. And brooks kept Go won at
sixteen under par. At that point, brooks Kopka hadn't won
a major, so was brooks keptkuz first. So now we
look back at this leaderboard that had brooks kept Go one,
Hideki Matsuyama tied for second, Tommy Fleetwood fourth, Xander Shafflee fifth,
Ricky Fowler ended up in a tie for fifth. Justin
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Thomas was in a tie for ninth at eight under
and he shot sixty three on Saturday of the US Open.
That's a star studded leaderboard and the low amateur was
Scotti Scheffler. So I get it, and I defended that
US Open. But people said that's awful. That's awful. Now
people would look back eight years later and say, wow,
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if you had all of those names competing for a major, championship.
That would be pretty entertaining. Sure, brooks Kepkez, you know,
won five majors now and that was his first I
get all that. But what I think hurt's Oklahoma City
Doug is the run of champions that we've seen. And
they may end up winning two or three or four
whatever after this, but I think people wanted to annoint
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Denver as this juggernaut and even in this playoff series.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
People I can't.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Count out Yo Kich, can't count out the Nuggets. People
wanted to pick Boston to win it all. Take out
Jason Tatum's injury, but still they were losing games to
the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Even my Bucks.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Look at all the Bucks have failed in their playoff
appearances since winning the title. I think that goes against
what has now been a run of champions that you
can question and put in that group of not great
NBA champions. And now you're talking about teams that don't
have Yokicchen, don't have Yiannis. Maybe Sga is that guy,
he's now the MVP, and they could go on a run.
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But as we sit right now, I just don't think
that history is on the side of the Oklahoma City thunder.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Here's the part that Jay stew and I talked about,
because if Jason's honest, right, which he's, he's in search
of the opposite of BS right, that's he wants that
on his tombstone. The games have been way better to
watch than the games were. Frankly in many of those
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times when we had the super teams or superstar agreed right,
really compelling games like down twenty twice the Knicks came
back beat the Celtics, then up twenty they at home,
they lose to the Indiana Pacers, then down twenty they
come back and beat the pace Like all of these
plus just the action, the way it's played. It's a
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good watch, Like last night was a good game to
watch on TV. Great game, right, But we're so caught
in the well I'm not watching greatness because I'm not
watching a built in superstar that the narrative and look,
the market size and the lack of success of Indiana
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or Oklahoma City is going to lead to a really
lowly rated finals. I like an ad JCE to baseball
because people in their mind have are set in their
ways that baseball is boring, it is slow, it's home
run strikeout or walk, nothing else, and they have that
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has ingrained in their head that they don't I am
watching baseball watch in March. I need to watch that
stuff whatever, and baseball fans watch it. Nobody else does.
And if you've been watching baseball over the past I
don't know, three or four years, since the new rules,
it's awesome. The game moves way faster. It's brought athleticism
back into the game. There's a ton of young players.
(10:37):
It can be exciting. Maybe not to the level of
an NFL game. Fine, and again here's the other part.
And Jason, you said this NFL games can be a
brutal watch brutal, yet it's the most watched, biggest sport
in the United States. So I guess the point is
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that the ratings or the narrative don't always fit the product,
especially in sports. Is that fair, Jasuo? Is that kind
of what we talked about.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
I think the NFL is like a way different conversation, right,
I mean, in the conversation that it's the worst product
that it's been in many years, and it's getting worse
and it's not going to get any better because they're
not going to practice anymore in that conversation. Is this
the reason why nobody cares to fix it is because
the gambling market and the fantasy market. People have interests
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in NFL games that have nothing to do with the
quality of play. That's an outlier to me. So I
can't compare apples to apples with anything compared to the
NFL's popularity. Money, gambling, fantasy interest is driving those ratings.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I think, yes, no question, no question, it's driving those ratings.
You're absolutely right. But I also think though that because
the sport is so highly rated, people on the well,
it's you know, it's more exciting or whatever. You know,
it's it's like I saw, was it Troy Aikman who
was who said that the it's a Christmas Day game
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or the Thanksgiving game, which is the Cowboys and the Chiefs,
it's going to be the highest rateed game ever.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Meanwhile, the Chiefs are a shell of the team that
was awesome five years ago. And when was the last
I mean, the Cowboys are the team we make fun
of all the time. Right, It's like, that's not the
two best team, that's not the two teams I would
want to watch the most. Right again, And I understand
we're talking about like November December, but if you had
to on paper, like who do you want to watch
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the most? Like I don't know what the Lions look
like this year, but I'd probably like to be the Lions,
Like Lions and Chiefs sound way better to me, or
I don't know, somebody else in the Lions sounds way
more fun. Because we're slow to catch up to what's
popular is not always what's good.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, sure, and.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Eight years ago people wanted the Lions off of Thanksgiving.
Five years ago maybe, yes, I mean that's where that's
where we've went. And Doug in saying I said about
the champion, I know it sounds negative, and I can understand.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Why people can I help you with them? Maybe it's
the semantics.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
What have you said?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's the least well regarded. That's it feels like an easy,
like a soft, soft way of saying it, an off ramp.
But I think that's the reality of it. It's like,
right now, we don't regard them as anything sort of special, right.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I also think the history of the NBA and what
they've built on and what it's been built on, it's
been built on anything butt parody it's been built on
superstars and super tea, and now we're here and it
actually started Doug and thinking of all right, this is
another year where we're in the Final four and there's
no staff and there's no Lebron. So this is the
this is the NBA of the future right now? Who's
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going to take the torch? And if this is the
NBA of the future, I'm not mad at it. I
don't know who's gonna win the playoffs. That's why I'm
going to watch Game four tonight in Game five. There
are other years where all we had to do is
just tune into the finals because we knew what the
outcome was. Those were not good. I'm not saying that
there aren't positives with this. I love the drama of it.
Minnesota had opportunities last night to get it done and
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even the series, and they didn't do it. But I
do just think it's the reality of where we are
and how the face of the NBA is really really changing.
And I'm not talking about players. I'm just talking about
what the league actually is and what it has been
for forty and fifty years that right now it resembles
nothing of what it's been.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, I think. I think my point would be Jordan
was viewed. When Jordan won his first title in ninety one,
it was against the Lakers, right, and the Lakers they
were on the they had the legacy of hey, they
were the Lakers. They won all these titles in the
eighties and Cream had retired. But whatever. But at the time,
no one thought that Scottie Pippen was one of the
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fifty greatest players that play in the NBA. At that time,
Jordan was the greatest player who had not won a title,
and he finally won a title. But the rest of
those guys were not. And it's really interesting on how
now we look back we do the opposite of the Bulls.
We talked about how the super team that the Bulls
were when like they always had a super random point
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guard like Steve Kerr didn't start most of his NBA
career except with the Bulls when they won the title.
He even start the whole time there. Right, John Paxson
averaged below average NBA player most of his career. He
wins what three titles? Bj Armstrong like, these guys were
not great players. I talked about it last week. Bill
cart Wright when he was traded for Charles Oakley. It
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was like Knicks fans celebrated they got medical Bill Cartwright
off of their payroll. He was always hurt Bill cart Right,
Luke Longley, who is the other?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Will Purdue? Right?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Those are the bigs, right, those are the Biggs. And
we look back now and we say, oh, the Bulls
were a super team. They they weren't at scene as
that at the time. And that's what I'm wondering with
Oaklham said the other part too, It is that sorry, sorry,
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
You know I was just gonna say quickly, this is
also on the heels all built of the Bulls winning,
and prior to that it was Celtics Lakers and then
the Pistons were the finals for three years straight.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Right, So right, And look, I'm also cautious to not
do the thing that most people are doing now which
I hate, which is hey could be a super team
that I could win, like multiple titles. Like stop, let
them win multiple titles and then we'll talk about whether
or not this is you know, what type of legacy
they leave because we did that with the Cubs. How
many towns they win? One good point we deal with
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these young teams and we just want to think that
it's always going to be this way. I think the
bigger discussion that we have to get to is why
this era in the NBA is it this way? And
I think I think I have the answer to that.
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Speaker 5 (17:13):
Kicks left Wing, dub Open, snaps off a rainbow three
in there to Chega Jay dumb afed, Funnyball, Old Baby.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Thirty four for dumber playoff.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Career high, Shaye's got ten assists.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Thunder back up seven Rand will give them the ball
thunder by two lobs it It's in the air tab
right up.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
The Thunder winning one twenty eight, one twenty six.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
There one win away are the young Thunder.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
The top seed in the West from advancing to the
NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And that's that was that huge three I discussed. Actually
maybe maybe we talked about I can't remember on air,
off air or whatever, but Caruso set a flare screen
form their attack against the the help oriented defense that
Minnesota chose to go with. The Thunder found just the
right combination, just the right number of points and Dub
is Jalen Williams known as j Dubb, and he ends
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up with a spectacular, spectacular one point that I need
to make Jillen Williams was wearing like a all leather
outfit last night, right, and like he gets done with
the game, he throws on the leather outfit. It's got
like the studs on the back or whatever. And then
they fly to Oklahoma City and their storms in the
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middle of night and like three am, there's a couple
hundred fans out there, which is just incredible. But I'm
watching and I'm thinking, I don't care how cool I
think I look in an all leather outfit that could
not be the most comfortable way to fly home? Am
I wrong? Like doesn't everybody like to fly in some
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really comfortable sweats.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Ideally? Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
But like he comes out and he literally looks like
he was going to a club, Like I'm not stalking him,
I know where he lives. Like he's a nice, reasonable bike.
How do you why why would you wear that? You
almost feel like you wore it because when you bought it,
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somebody you care about is like you're never gonna wear that, Like, oh,
i'm work, We're after a game, after a game, I
played good, I'm aware it. And then you get home
and you know it's like leather doesn't breathe probably a
little smelly, wasn't comfortable. It wasn't like you slept in
the flight, right, And they're like, man, that was a
bad decision. Just I don't know, that's the thought. That's
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what goes on in my mind. John Middlecoff joins Just
Three and Out as the podcast. Yeah, I just I
watched Jalen Williams get off the plane last night in
the leather suit, and I was just like, dude, why
throw on some sweats and let's go.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, I see a lot of these dudes outfits.
I gotta be honest, I can't really relate. So I
guess the baggy pants are back in not just for
men as well.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Actually part actually like by like you know, like but
by the time I went to the more slim cut jeans,
now we're going back to the baggy which is much
more my jam. That's like my college era. I'm good
on that.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, you were back. You were a baggy spirt guy
back in the shore, you know, in your hey day.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But man, this the Thunder, I mean, they got a
lot of good players.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, that's where Dan was saying, Hey, I think this
is the the worst champion. If they win the championship,
this will be the worst championship team we've had in
like twenty years. And my thing is, yeah, well that's
how we view them now. But you know what if
Shay wins a couple of MVPs and Jayleen Williams is
a ten time All Star and they win a couple
of titles here before they turn thirty, do we do
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we change how we look at it?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, I mean I think I mean over the last
twenty years, I mean some of the Warriors teams, I
guess Lebron. But I mean we've had, especially in the finals,
we have had way less talented teams. I mean some
of those heat teams relative to this squad. I mean,
I mean, how good is chet going to be in
five years? So? I yeah, I mean, I mean, what happened?
SODA's got Anthony Edwards. I played the large bet on
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them to win this series. Anthony Edwards? What's going on? Doug?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I think they they they're making him, making somebody else
beat him other than Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I think, well, we know Rudy Gobert Camp.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, and again it's it's in the composition when I mean,
he's not the only one. I think that's that's the
big issue. All right, let's get some football stuff at
John Mentalcall three and Outs the podcast of course, former
scout in the National Football League. Is Aaron going to
show up or is he going to retire?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
What's the deal?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean, who knows? I mean, I just what a story.
I mean, you thought by now everyone's reporting, right, I think,
what like every team but five and then five or
report tomorrow to start kind of on the field practice
with the coaches is a very easy chill time. I mean,
this is not you know, twenty thirty years ago when
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these practices were pretty intense. Even when I got in
the league in twenty ten, like it was intense. This
thing is much more about hanging out barbecues, metal reps
for him not to be there if he's actually going
to play. I mean, it feels like a bb fastball.
What is it starting today or tomorrow? Till middle of June.
It's not that long, just too I don't know, get
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to know some names and faces. It's one thing, you know,
I don't know who really pulls it as much anymore.
But like when the Michael Strahan days and some of
the older players, it would basically hold out to the
beginning of season. They knew their team, they knew their coordinator.
This one seems like ideally Aaron would show up like
a week before the season, But I think it's a
little different, difficult when you're kind of on the mercenary
(22:34):
path to jumping from team to team. So I bet
there's some people in Pittsburgh. The problem is what are
they going to do? I mean, you can't you roll
into the season with Mason Rudolph, that over five hundred
record that Tomlin has going could end abruptly.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
When do you pull the When does somebody pull the
trigger on Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think it's complicated because of the money, and you know, Atlanta,
if you saw Kyle Pitts, I guess is holding out.
I don't know guys with forty seven catches pulled out.
But that's the first. But of course the Falcons, you know.
I think the Cousins thing is if I'm a team
you know I have, It's like, yeah, I'll give you
like a sixth round pick, but you're eating all the money.
I'm not paying them anything more than you know, five
(23:15):
six million dollars because they're not even guaranteed that he
would be a starter. So I think Atlanta's almost going
to play it into training camp and hopefully someone gets injured.
But I think all these other teams, I mean, he's
scheduled to make twenty seven point five million dollars, and
I don't think there's anyone trading for him today that
is just going to implement him as the starter. So
it's like, yeah, he'll compete for the job, but I
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mean Daniel Jones is doing that and he got fourteen
million dollars, so they're gonna want Atlanta to eat a
lot of the money. And we've seen Arthur Blank kind
of like dead set on. Yeah, we'll just keep him
to be the backup, which obviously you're not gonna No
one's ever paying a backup who didn't play well last
year twenty seven and a half million dollars. So I
don't know if this happens during deep this period of time,
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because typically no one's going to get injured during OTA,
so we might be looking at a holdout into camp.
I think the thing's gonna get way messier than it
is right now, where it's like whatever, just don't show up.
It's not that big a deal. I think it gets
weird come camp.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Okay, Kim, does brock Perry live up to this contract?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, when you actually look, you know, when the numbers
get announced like two hundred and sixty five million dollars,
like who is the guy, Steph Curry, But then you
realize it's really just the true guarantee money is like
one hundred and twelve million dollars, one hundred and fifteen.
So if it was an abolute disaster, it's basically a
two year contract. I think as long as Kyle Shanahan's there.
I think you can win with him if you build
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up the rest of their team. I mean, let's look
at the He's not going up against Joe Burrow, Mahomes,
Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson. Right, So if you look
at Jared Goapp and Jalen Hurks, which over the course
of their careers has had a lot of questions and
they're making big money now too. Their teams are loaded,
so like their general managers in their front office has
done a good job. So to me, the pressure now,
like Brock's proven what he is when the team's good,
(24:59):
he's good when it has some issues. I think Jared
Gopp and Jalen hurst would be the same way like it.
To me, it's on on Lynch and Shanahan. I definitely
think he's good enough to win with. And I actually
don't think the money the number is like that's crazy.
It's not like, I mean, he got way less than
Trevor Lawrence. In fairness, if me and you were representing
Brock Turty, it's like, I have a hard time sign
(25:20):
up for a contract less than Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You think, I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Even Dak And that's the thing with Dak. Like Dak,
you're making so much money because you're the Dallas Cowboys quarterback.
You can become a legend getting paid forever, like Brady
if you win in Dallas. But Dallas he was dead
that he got in true guarantees like any factor in
an injuries, like fifty million dollars more than Brock. Brock's
beat him in the playoffs. It's like Dak. I mean,
(25:47):
it just shows you. Listen, I never fault the guy
if you want to get all your money, but then
don't complain where your team's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Jay or Alexander has kind of been out of the
thought process really of anybody in Green Bay. They're like, yeah,
he's gone.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
He's gone.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Now now comes word from Matt Stiedaman that he's been
offered a restructured deal and he's gonna at least show up.
So is Jay or Alexander staying in Green Bay?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, you know, I think everyone thought that they were
going to go dB pretty high in that draft. And
you know, if you would have told me they drafted
you know, let's say Baron or you know, someone in
the first round, I think this conversation might be differently.
But sometimes if you just kind of are patient, let
the draft play out, all of a sudden they take
the Texas wide receiver, Like, well, after the first round,
(26:39):
there's no guarantee that a second third, you know, any
other round guy's gonna start. And let's say so, like
you look at their dB room, it's not exactly Dion
Sanders and Durell Reeves for a team that's gonna have
pretty high hopes going in. And the other thing is like,
that's a pretty explosive division, right. We know the Lions
one of the best offense in the league. Ben Jonson
(26:59):
now goes a bear. They got firepower and obviously Minnesota
Chang's just solid, I mean, has the best wide receiver
in the league. So actually think in a weird way,
it flipped and Jaire has a little little leverage now
because they kind of need him.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah they do, they do need him, But it's interesting
if they can get this thing worked out where.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
He was I think I think sometimes just like you know,
the natural ebb and flow sometimes in a relationship, and
maybe they're on better terms now and maybe he's been
humbled a little bit, maybe they've been humbled a little bit,
and he just kind of meet in the middle and
it's like, hey, this is you know, I think we've
just seen recently with Rogers and Davante Pack Grim's a pretty
good place to play if you're a good player. I mean,
(27:39):
it's good for your quote unquote brand in your career.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No question about it. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio, as our guest is John mit olcough three.
Now is the podcast. Davante Adams what does he have
left in the tank for the La Rams.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Well, if you take about it, like with Cupp, he's
been so injured the last couple of years, it's kind
of just been pooka their defense, the running game. If
they could get a number two wide receiver going in
that on that team, I mean, I still think he's
a pretty good player. I mean he at the moments
last year once he got to the Jets, We're like, damn,
this guy can still play. He's always been very serious
(28:20):
about his craft. He's never been a guy that's like
this isn't Tyreek Hill, or if Tyreek Hill lose a step,
he's not going to be the same player. Devontae ran
like a horse six coming out of college. So I
think he's going to be motivated. The warm weather is
good for the you know, quote unquote older body. I
would expect him to be like when I saw that
(28:42):
as the Niner, guy went U, this is gonna work,
and you know him and Stafford, I think him pooka McVeigh.
I would expect it to be a pretty good addition.
I think the only question is, you know, help this
guy's battle some injuries, but you know some of the
funny business. Like I think DeVante is a guy who
was mad with the Packers low ball offer, gets traded
(29:03):
to the Raiders, and let's face it, I mean it
was just kind of a waste of a couple of
years of the prime of his career, and then the
way everything happened last year, he kind of forced the
way to New York and then the team's a joke.
Now he's with a real operation. Now they paid for it.
You know, it's not like they got him pre They
gave him basically a couple of years forty million bucks
or whatever. But I think he got thirty two million
(29:25):
dollars guaranteed, Like he got a lot of cash for
an older player. But I would expect him if if
you tell me he plays fifteen sixteen games. I'd be
stunned if he's not eighty plus catches and seventy eight touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Gotta be interesting to see, you know, indoors with McVeigh.
If he can, if he can do that, if he
can recapture some of the luster of his career. You know, again,
like Indoors, Stafford McVeigh feels like a good one. If
he can't make it work there, well, well then what
for day?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think I think the one thing with a player
like that is very timing specific. You know, he's a
route runner like him and Aaron over the course of
his career. That's why he wanted to go to Derek
like his buddy. So you know, you know Stafford to
grind her. It might take a minute. You know. Training
camp is going to be big for them, ok, right
now is big for them. But I think DeVante is
still a good player.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
John mincaugh three and now's the podcast Volume Podcast That
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Speaker 4 (30:17):
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Speaker 1 (30:25):
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Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah, Mary lou Ruttin, Uh do you why Mary lou Rutten?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Do you Okay, we're not making fun of the UIs
right as a guy who's been hit by a drunk driver.
Not funny, but we're gonna make fun of it because
it's Merrily Rettin right, because you had you had a
good line, right, which is what?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
No, she blew a perfect time.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes, that's a good line. My thought was Merrily Httin
like she jumps out of the car, right, and they're like,
and she did the don't you know who I am?
And God was like, I have no idea who you
are because you have to be a certain age, right,
(31:15):
like Sam, you're you're not that much younger than us,
but you are younger than us. Do you know who
Mary lou Retten is?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
A figure skater or a tennis player?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay again just.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Track track athlete. I don't know. I'm beingful right, No,
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Like literally, she was, I would say, bigger than any
Olympic gymnast since nineteen eighty four. She owned it was
at Westwood, at poly Pavilion. She owned the Olympics. She
owned the entire sports world right in the old famous
fleeting the idea that most people don't know who if
(31:56):
you're not forty five or older, I'm guessing you don't
know who Mary the Retin is.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. I whifted on that one.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Oh it's okay. Anyway, did you think of a funny line, Dan.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Well, the police report said they pulled her over because
she was driving all around.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
There's no rim shot there. That's pretty good. That's pretty great.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Let's get We're all going to help, but the good
parties will be there. Right, Okay, let's get to uh,
let's get the game type.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
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Speaker 2 (32:53):
Got, Doug. The game today is rank them all right,
Let's see.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
If a week changes anything. Rank the four teams in
the NBA playoffs right now. Last week the thunderward Numero
uno with the Timberwolves second.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Does it stay that way way?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Last week the thunder were oh, okay, uh, I will
do let's see here, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It does not stay that way. Wolves will be four,
Nick should be three, Pacers two thunder one.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
All right, today we have Pacers Knicks from Indianapolis. Doug
ranked the three best players of these playoffs.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Mmmmmm of these playoffs.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
I think we know well, actually, you know, I'm not
even gonna say that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I mean, I'm gonna do Brunson at one. Whether you're
in this series. I think Over always been better than
I would say Haliburton two, okay, and i'd say Shay three.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
All right. I thought that was going to be the three.
But we also you know, Siakam had a huge game
for the Pacers. Jalen Williams you wax poetically about in
the Assily bad. He had a bad game the game, sure,
but I just didn't. I just didn't want to put
the cart before the horse, all right. Doug ranked the
three best conferences in college football.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'll go.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Next year or last year. Yeah, just right now overall
like acc would be better than but not not last
year or recently. Big twelve three, big ten two SEC
one Okay.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I wondered where you were going to put the big
ten in the SEC. I figured you put the Big
twelve three.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
All right.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
It's French Open Week playing in Paris. We always remember
when Andre Legacy was able to to win at Roland Garrels. Doug,
I know you're a fan. Rank your three favorite things
about Andre Egacy?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Oh, three favorite things. I mean, I've read his book,
so his book is outstanding. If you want to pick
up a good autobiography, like, that's the one. It's it's
I've given it to other people. It's really good, so
the book would be one of them. His book is great.
I think the book is the number one. I know
(35:41):
number two, number three is the like again, he was
a disruptor.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He was a disruptor, the.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Images, everything, the long hair, which apparently at some point
in time was the piece. But just the idea that
he came into a lily white country club sport out
of Vegas and was a rock star and just shook
up the world. I thought that was that's number three.
Number two is the book. Read the book unbelie Unbelievable Stories.
(36:10):
But number one, and this is part of the book,
is he went from top mountain to bottom of the
valley to top the mountain again his comeback. And I
don't think he wanted that year at the US Open
later in his career when he just kind of waddle
out there and he was his head was shaved, he's bald,
and he just owned New York City. We just again
the idea of you're the best tennis player on earth
(36:31):
and then you're ranked like in the three hundreds, and
he had a drug problem and he come back and
you're the best player on earth again like past your prime.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Was really cool and he embraced the bald. Yeah, yeah,
it was great. Nineteen ninety nine French Open champion and Doug.
We found out the release date for the EA Sports
College Football twenty six video game. It will be July tenth,
coming up in less than two months.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Is it still as big a thing because last year
we hadn't had the game in a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, last year was huge.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
There hasn't been as much buzz this year because last
year everybody was so excited, so it would be difficult
to match it. However, I think as we get closer,
it will continue to be an exciting event. Your three
best sports video games could be specific, or it could
just be sports.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I would say NHL ninety four, AHL ninety four was
number three. Number two is gonna be Lakers Celtics in
the NBA playoffs. That was the first EA sports basketball
game that was really good. Lakers Celtics NBA Playoffs. And
then Madden's the Goat, and so I'll go with the
(37:42):
original Madden. And that's same time Stug Gottlieb Show, you're
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Bye Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
M mm hmmmmmmmmmm.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
What up?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Welcome in Hope. You're doing great the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey,
guess who's in studio with the boys in Los Angeles?
What's up, guys? How are we doing?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Dude named Doug.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, some dude named Doug.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I'm just some dude named Doug.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
He dude name Doug.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Good to see Dan Byer. I heard you guys filling
in yesterday. Guys did a great job with Monseys. Thank you,
Welcome back, Doug, thank you. Hey got it. It's one
of those things where this is why I don't actually
like taking days off, because now I'm like, should I
talk about that? You guys talked about it yesterday? Type
(01:07):
of this talked about yesterday, So let's let's let's have
this conversation, Dan, I was driving yesterday. I want to say,
I want to know if I was driving or I
was listing on my phone, I can't remember, but you
were talking about this is I don't know if you said,
I don't want to know who the word bad, but
(01:27):
this is probably the worst We'll have the worst champion
that we've ever we've had in Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Think whoever wins the NBA title will probably be the
worst champion we've seen in the last forty years.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, contextualize it, well, why you would say worst.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Well, I just I look at the teams that we've
had win titles over the generations that I've watched basketball,
the decades that I've watched there's I don't think that
you could take the and I took the Thunder for
this example, because I feel that they were the best
of the four teams. Remaining sure that they weren't better
than the Lakers teams or the Celtics teams of the eighties.
(02:03):
They weren't better than the Bulls run in the nineteen nineties,
they weren't better than Shacks and Kobe's Lakers in the
early oughts, and then Kobe's back to back championship. I
don't think they were better than the eight Celtics. Then
you go to the Warriors and the Calves and Lebron.
I just don't think that this team is or any
of the four teams that win would match up to
(02:25):
those teams. And I think it's because of a spot
that we're at in the NBA at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Okay, I think it's a it's a really good discussion,
and I want to have it. Okay, So a couple things.
You're right as of right now. There's a chance you
could be wrong. Let me let me kind of expound
upon that. The first part is you're already wrong from
(02:55):
and this is where your last sentence is right, which
is the place that we are in in the NBA.
Because reality is, if Oklahoma City Thunder and they took
a commanding three games one lead with a win over
the Minnesota Timberwolves last night, if the Oklahoma City Thunder
do win an NBA championship, we got to realize that
(03:16):
as much as we think that they're not great, you know,
they're not one of the elite all time teams. They
will have had the best record in the regular season
and they're very likely to have, despite the fact Denver
took them seven the best record in the postseason as well, right,
like it's the first series. Wasn't heavy lifting for them?
(03:38):
This one may only go five games as well, five, five, seven.
We'll see what the finals go. There's a world there
where they have You know, what was the thunder play?
I mean the Warriors won seventy seventy what games the
year they won the title with Kevin Durant? How many
games they win the year?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't remember. Yeah, I'll look it up quick.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
It's like a high sixties whatever, right, and then I
think they us what one playoff game?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah? I was Game four to the Cavs.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right, it was like sixteen and one in the playoffs. Right,
this team has lost, Uh what do we got?
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Four?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Five, five games so far in the playoffs. So obviously
you're not going to be an all time great postseason team.
But if I said, hey, you're the best record in
the regular season by four games in the better division
which is the or better conference which is the West,
and you have a pretty clean record in the playoffs,
why are they not a great team? And the reason
they're not a great team is you don't have any
(04:32):
historically great players, right, that's the only yes. Okay, So,
but the issue is, well, what if Shay is Kobe
I will now he'll never be He'll never have the
persona of Kobe Bryant. His dad didn't play in the NBA.
(04:55):
He wasn't, you know, drafted straight out of high school.
He actually went to Kentucky, which should have but he
because he got tre after the Clippers year whatever, he
switched teams and it's been it's been a growth process.
But he's twenty six years old. It's not like he's
thirty to two, thirty three, thirty four and he's still
chasing it. And he's James Harden, always been good, never
come through. Like he's risen through the ranks to being
(05:16):
the league MVP. And there's a world where they win
one and maybe they went another one, maybe they went
another one, and then we look back, we're like, that
was an incredible team. Because right now we view Shay
as as foul merchant.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's the MVP.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But he's the MVP because it's kind of a dark
time in the NBA. You have these aging out superstars
and we look at Jalen Williams and we're like, Jayla
Williams is such a surprise, it's a incredible surprise. He
was lightly recruited. He's out of Arizona. He played in
a small AAU team. Then he went and played for
Herbert Syndic at Santa Clara and last night he had
a great game. And we view Jala Williams as nice player,
(05:53):
number two guy. But again, Jayala Williams, how old is he?
He's like twenty four years old. So our view of
it now in the moment is completely accurate. But there's
a world where these guys get to thirty and they
have multiple titles. Shay gets the thirty, He's got multiple titles,
multiple MVPs, and we're like, wow, that was an incredible team.
(06:14):
Incredible team.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
I don't dispute any of that.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
And in fact, Doug, I could see a parallel because
one of the passions in my life is golf and
you know my connections to Aaron Hills, who were just
recently there and the US Women's Open is there this week.
I'll be there on Sunday. Yes, yeah, I'll be there
on Sunday. You need I will talk, No, I've got
(06:40):
I'm doing my Sunday shows. Yeah, well, I don't know,
maybe in the point being, I'll be there on Sunday.
But the twenty seventeen US Open was thought to be
a dud. Tiger didn't play, Phil Mickelson withdrew to attend
a graduation, and Rory didn't make the cut. It wasn't
the typical US Open because the rough wasn't eight feet
(07:03):
high that people like. And brooks kept Go won at
sixteen under par. At that point, brooks Kopka hadn't won
a major, so was brooks keptkuz first. So now we
look back at this leaderboard that had brooks kept Go one,
Hideki Matsuyama tied for second, Tommy Fleetwood fourth, Xander Shafflee fifth,
Ricky Fowler ended up in a tie for fifth. Justin
(07:24):
Thomas was in a tie for ninth at eight under
and he shot sixty three on Saturday of the US Open.
That's a star studded leaderboard and the low amateur was
Scotti Scheffler. So I get it, and I defended that
US Open. But people said that's awful. That's awful. Now
people would look back eight years later and say, wow,
(07:46):
if you had all of those names competing for a major, championship.
That would be pretty entertaining. Sure, brooks Kepkez, you know,
won five majors now and that was his first I
get all that. But what I think hurt's Oklahoma City
Doug is the run of champions that we've seen. And
they may end up winning two or three or four
whatever after this, but I think people wanted to annoint
(08:08):
Denver as this juggernaut and even in this playoff series.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
People I can't.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Count out Yo Kich, can't count out the Nuggets. People
wanted to pick Boston to win it all. Take out
Jason Tatum's injury, but still they were losing games to
the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Even my Bucks.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Look at all the Bucks have failed in their playoff
appearances since winning the title. I think that goes against
what has now been a run of champions that you
can question and put in that group of not great
NBA champions. And now you're talking about teams that don't
have Yokicchen, don't have Yiannis. Maybe Sga is that guy,
he's now the MVP, and they could go on a run.
(08:44):
But as we sit right now, I just don't think
that history is on the side of the Oklahoma City thunder.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Here's the part that Jay stew and I talked about,
because if Jason's honest, right, which he's, he's in search
of the opposite of BS right, that's he wants that
on his tombstone. The games have been way better to
watch than the games were. Frankly in many of those
(09:09):
times when we had the super teams or superstar agreed right,
really compelling games like down twenty twice the Knicks came
back beat the Celtics, then up twenty they at home,
they lose to the Indiana Pacers, then down twenty they
come back and beat the pace Like all of these
plus just the action, the way it's played. It's a
(09:31):
good watch, Like last night was a good game to
watch on TV. Great game, right, But we're so caught
in the well I'm not watching greatness because I'm not
watching a built in superstar that the narrative and look,
the market size and the lack of success of Indiana
(09:51):
or Oklahoma City is going to lead to a really
lowly rated finals. I like an ad JCE to baseball
because people in their mind have are set in their
ways that baseball is boring, it is slow, it's home
run strikeout or walk, nothing else, and they have that
(10:15):
has ingrained in their head that they don't I am
watching baseball watch in March. I need to watch that
stuff whatever, and baseball fans watch it. Nobody else does.
And if you've been watching baseball over the past I
don't know, three or four years, since the new rules,
it's awesome. The game moves way faster. It's brought athleticism
back into the game. There's a ton of young players.
(10:37):
It can be exciting. Maybe not to the level of
an NFL game. Fine, and again here's the other part.
And Jason, you said this NFL games can be a
brutal watch brutal, yet it's the most watched, biggest sport
in the United States. So I guess the point is
(10:59):
that the ratings or the narrative don't always fit the product,
especially in sports. Is that fair, Jasuo? Is that kind
of what we talked about.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
I think the NFL is like a way different conversation, right,
I mean, in the conversation that it's the worst product
that it's been in many years, and it's getting worse
and it's not going to get any better because they're
not going to practice anymore in that conversation. Is this
the reason why nobody cares to fix it is because
the gambling market and the fantasy market. People have interests
(11:30):
in NFL games that have nothing to do with the
quality of play. That's an outlier to me. So I
can't compare apples to apples with anything compared to the
NFL's popularity. Money, gambling, fantasy interest is driving those ratings.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
I think, yes, no question, no question, it's driving those ratings.
You're absolutely right. But I also think though that because
the sport is so highly rated, people on the well,
it's you know, it's more exciting or whatever. You know,
it's it's like I saw, was it Troy Aikman who
was who said that the it's a Christmas Day game
(12:08):
or the Thanksgiving game, which is the Cowboys and the Chiefs,
it's going to be the highest rateed game ever.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Meanwhile, the Chiefs are a shell of the team that
was awesome five years ago. And when was the last
I mean, the Cowboys are the team we make fun
of all the time. Right, It's like, that's not the
two best team, that's not the two teams I would
want to watch the most. Right again, And I understand
we're talking about like November December, but if you had
to on paper, like who do you want to watch
(12:36):
the most? Like I don't know what the Lions look
like this year, but I'd probably like to be the Lions,
Like Lions and Chiefs sound way better to me, or
I don't know, somebody else in the Lions sounds way
more fun. Because we're slow to catch up to what's
popular is not always what's good.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah, sure, and.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Eight years ago people wanted the Lions off of Thanksgiving.
Five years ago maybe, yes, I mean that's where that's
where we've went. And Doug in saying I said about
the champion, I know it sounds negative, and I can understand.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Why people can I help you with them? Maybe it's
the semantics.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
What have you said?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's the least well regarded. That's it feels like an easy,
like a soft, soft way of saying it, an off ramp.
But I think that's the reality of it. It's like,
right now, we don't regard them as anything sort of special, right.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I also think the history of the NBA and what
they've built on and what it's been built on, it's
been built on anything butt parody it's been built on
superstars and super tea, and now we're here and it
actually started Doug and thinking of all right, this is
another year where we're in the Final four and there's
no staff and there's no Lebron. So this is the
this is the NBA of the future right now? Who's
(13:46):
going to take the torch? And if this is the
NBA of the future, I'm not mad at it. I
don't know who's gonna win the playoffs. That's why I'm
going to watch Game four tonight in Game five. There
are other years where all we had to do is
just tune into the finals because we knew what the
outcome was. Those were not good. I'm not saying that
there aren't positives with this. I love the drama of it.
Minnesota had opportunities last night to get it done and
(14:07):
even the series, and they didn't do it. But I
do just think it's the reality of where we are
and how the face of the NBA is really really changing.
And I'm not talking about players. I'm just talking about
what the league actually is and what it has been
for forty and fifty years that right now it resembles
nothing of what it's been.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, I think. I think my point would be Jordan
was viewed. When Jordan won his first title in ninety one,
it was against the Lakers, right, and the Lakers they
were on the they had the legacy of hey, they
were the Lakers. They won all these titles in the
eighties and Cream had retired. But whatever. But at the time,
no one thought that Scottie Pippen was one of the
(14:46):
fifty greatest players that play in the NBA. At that time,
Jordan was the greatest player who had not won a title,
and he finally won a title. But the rest of
those guys were not. And it's really interesting on how
now we look back we do the opposite of the Bulls.
We talked about how the super team that the Bulls
were when like they always had a super random point
(15:08):
guard like Steve Kerr didn't start most of his NBA
career except with the Bulls when they won the title.
He even start the whole time there. Right, John Paxson
averaged below average NBA player most of his career. He
wins what three titles? Bj Armstrong like, these guys were
not great players. I talked about it last week. Bill
cart Wright when he was traded for Charles Oakley. It
(15:30):
was like Knicks fans celebrated they got medical Bill Cartwright
off of their payroll. He was always hurt Bill cart Right,
Luke Longley, who is the other?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Will Purdue? Right?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Those are the bigs, right, those are the Biggs. And
we look back now and we say, oh, the Bulls
were a super team. They they weren't at scene as
that at the time. And that's what I'm wondering with
Oaklham said the other part too, It is that sorry, sorry,
go ahead.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
You know I was just gonna say quickly, this is
also on the heels all built of the Bulls winning,
and prior to that it was Celtics Lakers and then
the Pistons were the finals for three years straight.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Right, So right, And look, I'm also cautious to not
do the thing that most people are doing now which
I hate, which is hey could be a super team
that I could win, like multiple titles. Like stop, let
them win multiple titles and then we'll talk about whether
or not this is you know, what type of legacy
they leave because we did that with the Cubs. How
many towns they win? One good point we deal with
(16:28):
these young teams and we just want to think that
it's always going to be this way. I think the
bigger discussion that we have to get to is why
this era in the NBA is it this way? And
I think I think I have the answer to that.
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It sounded like this on wwl's The Thunder Radio Network.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Kicks left Wing, dub Open, snaps off a rainbow three
in there to Chega Jay dumb afed, Funnyball, Old Baby.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Thirty four for dumber playoff.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Career high, Shaye's got ten assists.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Thunder back up seven Rand will give them the ball
thunder by two lobs it It's in the air tab
right up.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
The Thunder winning one twenty eight, one twenty six.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
There one win away are the young Thunder.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
The top seed in the West from advancing to the
NBA Finals.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
And that's that was that huge three I discussed. Actually
maybe maybe we talked about I can't remember on air,
off air or whatever, but Caruso set a flare screen
form their attack against the the help oriented defense that
Minnesota chose to go with. The Thunder found just the
right combination, just the right number of points and Dub
is Jalen Williams known as j Dubb, and he ends
(18:01):
up with a spectacular, spectacular one point that I need
to make Jillen Williams was wearing like a all leather
outfit last night, right, and like he gets done with
the game, he throws on the leather outfit. It's got
like the studs on the back or whatever. And then
they fly to Oklahoma City and their storms in the
(18:22):
middle of night and like three am, there's a couple
hundred fans out there, which is just incredible. But I'm
watching and I'm thinking, I don't care how cool I
think I look in an all leather outfit that could
not be the most comfortable way to fly home? Am
I wrong? Like doesn't everybody like to fly in some
(18:42):
really comfortable sweats.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Ideally? Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
But like he comes out and he literally looks like
he was going to a club, Like I'm not stalking him,
I know where he lives. Like he's a nice, reasonable bike.
How do you why why would you wear that? You
almost feel like you wore it because when you bought it,
(19:11):
somebody you care about is like you're never gonna wear that, Like, oh,
i'm work, We're after a game, after a game, I
played good, I'm aware it. And then you get home
and you know it's like leather doesn't breathe probably a
little smelly, wasn't comfortable. It wasn't like you slept in
the flight, right, And they're like, man, that was a
bad decision. Just I don't know, that's the thought. That's
(19:34):
what goes on in my mind. John Middlecoff joins Just
Three and Out as the podcast. Yeah, I just I
watched Jalen Williams get off the plane last night in
the leather suit, and I was just like, dude, why
throw on some sweats and let's go.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I mean, I see a lot of these dudes outfits.
I gotta be honest, I can't really relate. So I
guess the baggy pants are back in not just for
men as well.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Actually part actually like by like you know, like but
by the time I went to the more slim cut jeans,
now we're going back to the baggy which is much
more my jam. That's like my college era. I'm good
on that.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, you were back. You were a baggy spirt guy
back in the shore, you know, in your hey day.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But man, this the Thunder, I mean, they got a
lot of good players.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, that's where Dan was saying, Hey, I think this
is the the worst champion. If they win the championship,
this will be the worst championship team we've had in
like twenty years. And my thing is, yeah, well that's
how we view them now. But you know what if
Shay wins a couple of MVPs and Jayleen Williams is
a ten time All Star and they win a couple
of titles here before they turn thirty, do we do
(20:40):
we change how we look at it?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, I mean I think I mean over the last
twenty years, I mean some of the Warriors teams, I
guess Lebron. But I mean we've had, especially in the finals,
we have had way less talented teams. I mean some
of those heat teams relative to this squad. I mean,
I mean, how good is chet going to be in
five years? So? I yeah, I mean, I mean, what happened?
SODA's got Anthony Edwards. I played the large bet on
(21:02):
them to win this series. Anthony Edwards? What's going on? Doug?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I think they they they're making him, making somebody else
beat him other than Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
I think, well, we know Rudy Gobert Camp.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, and again it's it's in the composition when I mean,
he's not the only one. I think that's that's the
big issue. All right, let's get some football stuff at
John Mentalcall three and Outs the podcast of course, former
scout in the National Football League. Is Aaron going to
show up or is he going to retire?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
What's the deal?
Speaker 3 (21:31):
I mean, who knows? I mean, I just what a story.
I mean, you thought by now everyone's reporting, right, I think,
what like every team but five and then five or
report tomorrow to start kind of on the field practice
with the coaches is a very easy chill time. I mean,
this is not you know, twenty thirty years ago when
(21:51):
these practices were pretty intense. Even when I got in
the league in twenty ten, like it was intense. This
thing is much more about hanging out barbecues, metal reps
for him not to be there if he's actually going
to play. I mean, it feels like a bb fastball.
What is it starting today or tomorrow? Till middle of June.
It's not that long, just too I don't know, get
(22:12):
to know some names and faces. It's one thing, you know,
I don't know who really pulls it as much anymore.
But like when the Michael Strahan days and some of
the older players, it would basically hold out to the
beginning of season. They knew their team, they knew their coordinator.
This one seems like ideally Aaron would show up like
a week before the season, But I think it's a
little different, difficult when you're kind of on the mercenary
(22:34):
path to jumping from team to team. So I bet
there's some people in Pittsburgh. The problem is what are
they going to do? I mean, you can't you roll
into the season with Mason Rudolph, that over five hundred
record that Tomlin has going could end abruptly.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
When do you pull the When does somebody pull the
trigger on Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I think it's complicated because of the money, and you know, Atlanta,
if you saw Kyle Pitts, I guess is holding out.
I don't know guys with forty seven catches pulled out.
But that's the first. But of course the Falcons, you know.
I think the Cousins thing is if I'm a team
you know I have, It's like, yeah, I'll give you
like a sixth round pick, but you're eating all the money.
I'm not paying them anything more than you know, five
(23:15):
six million dollars because they're not even guaranteed that he
would be a starter. So I think Atlanta's almost going
to play it into training camp and hopefully someone gets injured.
But I think all these other teams, I mean, he's
scheduled to make twenty seven point five million dollars, and
I don't think there's anyone trading for him today that
is just going to implement him as the starter. So
it's like, yeah, he'll compete for the job, but I
(23:36):
mean Daniel Jones is doing that and he got fourteen
million dollars, so they're gonna want Atlanta to eat a
lot of the money. And we've seen Arthur Blank kind
of like dead set on. Yeah, we'll just keep him
to be the backup, which obviously you're not gonna No
one's ever paying a backup who didn't play well last
year twenty seven and a half million dollars. So I
don't know if this happens during deep this period of time,
(23:57):
because typically no one's going to get injured during OTA,
so we might be looking at a holdout into camp.
I think the thing's gonna get way messier than it
is right now, where it's like whatever, just don't show up.
It's not that big a deal. I think it gets
weird come camp.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Okay, Kim, does brock Perry live up to this contract?
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Well, when you actually look, you know, when the numbers
get announced like two hundred and sixty five million dollars,
like who is the guy, Steph Curry, But then you
realize it's really just the true guarantee money is like
one hundred and twelve million dollars, one hundred and fifteen.
So if it was an abolute disaster, it's basically a
two year contract. I think as long as Kyle Shanahan's there.
I think you can win with him if you build
(24:39):
up the rest of their team. I mean, let's look
at the He's not going up against Joe Burrow, Mahomes,
Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson. Right, So if you look
at Jared Goapp and Jalen Hurks, which over the course
of their careers has had a lot of questions and
they're making big money now too. Their teams are loaded,
so like their general managers in their front office has
done a good job. So to me, the pressure now,
like Brock's proven what he is when the team's good,
(24:59):
he's good when it has some issues. I think Jared
Gopp and Jalen hurst would be the same way like it.
To me, it's on on Lynch and Shanahan. I definitely
think he's good enough to win with. And I actually
don't think the money the number is like that's crazy.
It's not like, I mean, he got way less than
Trevor Lawrence. In fairness, if me and you were representing
Brock Turty, it's like, I have a hard time sign
(25:20):
up for a contract less than Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
You think, I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Even Dak And that's the thing with Dak. Like Dak,
you're making so much money because you're the Dallas Cowboys quarterback.
You can become a legend getting paid forever, like Brady
if you win in Dallas. But Dallas he was dead
that he got in true guarantees like any factor in
an injuries, like fifty million dollars more than Brock. Brock's
beat him in the playoffs. It's like Dak. I mean,
(25:47):
it just shows you. Listen, I never fault the guy
if you want to get all your money, but then
don't complain where your team's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Jay or Alexander has kind of been out of the
thought process really of anybody in Green Bay. They're like, yeah,
he's gone.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
He's gone.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Now now comes word from Matt Stiedaman that he's been
offered a restructured deal and he's gonna at least show up.
So is Jay or Alexander staying in Green Bay?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Well, you know, I think everyone thought that they were
going to go dB pretty high in that draft. And
you know, if you would have told me they drafted
you know, let's say Baron or you know, someone in
the first round, I think this conversation might be differently.
But sometimes if you just kind of are patient, let
the draft play out, all of a sudden they take
the Texas wide receiver, Like, well, after the first round,
(26:39):
there's no guarantee that a second third, you know, any
other round guy's gonna start. And let's say so, like
you look at their dB room, it's not exactly Dion
Sanders and Durell Reeves for a team that's gonna have
pretty high hopes going in. And the other thing is like,
that's a pretty explosive division, right. We know the Lions
one of the best offense in the league. Ben Jonson
(26:59):
now goes a bear. They got firepower and obviously Minnesota
Chang's just solid, I mean, has the best wide receiver
in the league. So actually think in a weird way,
it flipped and Jaire has a little little leverage now
because they kind of need him.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah they do, they do need him, But it's interesting
if they can get this thing worked out where.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
He was I think I think sometimes just like you know,
the natural ebb and flow sometimes in a relationship, and
maybe they're on better terms now and maybe he's been
humbled a little bit, maybe they've been humbled a little bit,
and he just kind of meet in the middle and
it's like, hey, this is you know, I think we've
just seen recently with Rogers and Davante Pack Grim's a pretty
good place to play if you're a good player. I mean,
(27:39):
it's good for your quote unquote brand in your career.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
No question about it. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio, as our guest is John mit olcough three.
Now is the podcast. Davante Adams what does he have
left in the tank for the La Rams.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Well, if you take about it, like with Cupp, he's
been so injured the last couple of years, it's kind
of just been pooka their defense, the running game. If
they could get a number two wide receiver going in
that on that team, I mean, I still think he's
a pretty good player. I mean he at the moments
last year once he got to the Jets, We're like, damn,
this guy can still play. He's always been very serious
(28:20):
about his craft. He's never been a guy that's like
this isn't Tyreek Hill, or if Tyreek Hill lose a step,
he's not going to be the same player. Devontae ran
like a horse six coming out of college. So I
think he's going to be motivated. The warm weather is
good for the you know, quote unquote older body. I
would expect him to be like when I saw that
(28:42):
as the Niner, guy went U, this is gonna work,
and you know him and Stafford, I think him pooka McVeigh.
I would expect it to be a pretty good addition.
I think the only question is, you know, help this
guy's battle some injuries, but you know some of the
funny business. Like I think DeVante is a guy who
was mad with the Packers low ball offer, gets traded
(29:03):
to the Raiders, and let's face it, I mean it
was just kind of a waste of a couple of
years of the prime of his career, and then the
way everything happened last year, he kind of forced the
way to New York and then the team's a joke.
Now he's with a real operation. Now they paid for it.
You know, it's not like they got him pre They
gave him basically a couple of years forty million bucks
or whatever. But I think he got thirty two million
(29:25):
dollars guaranteed, Like he got a lot of cash for
an older player. But I would expect him if if
you tell me he plays fifteen sixteen games. I'd be
stunned if he's not eighty plus catches and seventy eight touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Gotta be interesting to see, you know, indoors with McVeigh.
If he can, if he can do that, if he
can recapture some of the luster of his career. You know, again,
like Indoors, Stafford McVeigh feels like a good one. If
he can't make it work there, well, well then what
for day?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I think I think the one thing with a player
like that is very timing specific. You know, he's a
route runner like him and Aaron over the course of
his career. That's why he wanted to go to Derek
like his buddy. So you know, you know Stafford to
grind her. It might take a minute. You know. Training
camp is going to be big for them, ok, right
now is big for them. But I think DeVante is
still a good player.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
John mincaugh three and now's the podcast Volume Podcast That
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Speaker 4 (30:17):
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Speaker 1 (30:25):
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Speaker 6 (30:36):
Yeah, Mary lou Ruttin, Uh do you why Mary lou Rutten?
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Do you Okay, we're not making fun of the UIs
right as a guy who's been hit by a drunk driver.
Not funny, but we're gonna make fun of it because
it's Merrily Rettin right, because you had you had a
good line, right, which is what?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
No, she blew a perfect time.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yes, that's a good line. My thought was Merrily Httin
like she jumps out of the car, right, and they're like,
and she did the don't you know who I am?
And God was like, I have no idea who you
are because you have to be a certain age, right,
(31:15):
like Sam, you're you're not that much younger than us,
but you are younger than us. Do you know who
Mary lou Retten is?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
A figure skater or a tennis player?
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Okay again just.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Track track athlete. I don't know. I'm beingful right, No,
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Like literally, she was, I would say, bigger than any
Olympic gymnast since nineteen eighty four. She owned it was
at Westwood, at poly Pavilion. She owned the Olympics. She
owned the entire sports world right in the old famous
fleeting the idea that most people don't know who if
(31:56):
you're not forty five or older, I'm guessing you don't
know who Mary the Retin is.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah. I whifted on that one.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Oh it's okay. Anyway, did you think of a funny line, Dan.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Well, the police report said they pulled her over because
she was driving all around.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
There's no rim shot there. That's pretty good. That's pretty great.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Let's get We're all going to help, but the good
parties will be there. Right, Okay, let's get to uh,
let's get the game type.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
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Speaker 2 (32:53):
Got, Doug. The game today is rank them all right,
Let's see.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
If a week changes anything. Rank the four teams in
the NBA playoffs right now. Last week the thunderward Numero
uno with the Timberwolves second.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Does it stay that way way?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Last week the thunder were oh, okay, uh, I will
do let's see here, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
It does not stay that way. Wolves will be four,
Nick should be three, Pacers two thunder one.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
All right, today we have Pacers Knicks from Indianapolis. Doug
ranked the three best players of these playoffs.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Mmmmmm of these playoffs.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
I think we know well, actually, you know, I'm not
even gonna say that.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I mean, I'm gonna do Brunson at one. Whether you're
in this series. I think Over always been better than
I would say Haliburton two, okay, and i'd say Shay three.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
All right. I thought that was going to be the three.
But we also you know, Siakam had a huge game
for the Pacers. Jalen Williams you wax poetically about in
the Assily bad. He had a bad game the game, sure,
but I just didn't. I just didn't want to put
the cart before the horse, all right. Doug ranked the
three best conferences in college football.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
I'll go.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Next year or last year. Yeah, just right now overall
like acc would be better than but not not last
year or recently. Big twelve three, big ten two SEC
one Okay.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I wondered where you were going to put the big
ten in the SEC. I figured you put the Big
twelve three.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
All right.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
It's French Open Week playing in Paris. We always remember
when Andre Legacy was able to to win at Roland Garrels. Doug,
I know you're a fan. Rank your three favorite things
about Andre Egacy?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Oh, three favorite things. I mean, I've read his book,
so his book is outstanding. If you want to pick
up a good autobiography, like, that's the one. It's it's
I've given it to other people. It's really good, so
the book would be one of them. His book is great.
I think the book is the number one. I know
(35:41):
number two, number three is the like again, he was
a disruptor.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
He was a disruptor, the.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Images, everything, the long hair, which apparently at some point
in time was the piece. But just the idea that
he came into a lily white country club sport out
of Vegas and was a rock star and just shook
up the world. I thought that was that's number three.
Number two is the book. Read the book unbelie Unbelievable Stories.
(36:10):
But number one, and this is part of the book,
is he went from top mountain to bottom of the
valley to top the mountain again his comeback. And I
don't think he wanted that year at the US Open
later in his career when he just kind of waddle
out there and he was his head was shaved, he's bald,
and he just owned New York City. We just again
the idea of you're the best tennis player on earth
(36:31):
and then you're ranked like in the three hundreds, and
he had a drug problem and he come back and
you're the best player on earth again like past your prime.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Was really cool and he embraced the bald. Yeah, yeah,
it was great. Nineteen ninety nine French Open champion and Doug.
We found out the release date for the EA Sports
College Football twenty six video game. It will be July tenth,
coming up in less than two months.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Is it still as big a thing because last year
we hadn't had the game in a long time.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, last year was huge.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
There hasn't been as much buzz this year because last
year everybody was so excited, so it would be difficult
to match it. However, I think as we get closer,
it will continue to be an exciting event. Your three
best sports video games could be specific, or it could
just be sports.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I would say NHL ninety four, AHL ninety four was
number three. Number two is gonna be Lakers Celtics in
the NBA playoffs. That was the first EA sports basketball
game that was really good. Lakers Celtics NBA Playoffs. And
then Madden's the Goat, and so I'll go with the
(37:42):
original Madden. And that's same time Stug Gottlieb Show, you're
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Have you ever wondered what life might be like if you stopped worrying about being wanted, and focused on understanding what you actually want? That was the question Hope Woodard asked herself after a string of situationships inspired her to take a break from sex and dating. She went "boysober," a personal concept that sparked a global movement among women looking to prioritize themselves over men. Now, Hope is looking to expand the ways we explore our relationship to relationships. Taking a bold, unfiltered look into modern love, romance, and self-discovery, Boysober will dive into messy stories about dating, sex, love, friendship, and breaking generational patterns—all with humor, vulnerability, and a fresh perspective.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com