June 12, 2024 • 38 mins
After the passing of legendary basketball man Jerry West, Doug shares his memories of the sports icon and explains why he is the greatest basketball person ever. Doug welcomes former basketball coach and show Celtics' correspondent Max Good onto the show to talk about the NBA Finals. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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the NBA Finals Game three, and we may we may
have a series, all right, we may have a series,
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especially with christopsprezingis being listened as questionable. I want to
get to that. Max Good, the legendary iconic former college
and prep school coach, will join. We'll talk some Celtics,
but we'll also talk about the sad news of the
passing of Jerry West. We'll get to that. Also, more
news on Aaron Rodgers since yesterday, where it feels like
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everyone is stealing from our guy Jason Stewart's notes, where
today people woke up saying, Hey, take a guess, what
could Aaron Rodgers be doing instead of being at training camp, which,
by the way, he's gonna miss all of this of
this mini camp. I believe that was the topic du
jour yesterday on the Doug Gottlib Show. So either they're
listening to the show, or stealing off Jay Stews's notes,
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or just simply trying to copy the incredible mind of
the producer of this here radio show. Needless to say,
I want to start with Jerry West, and there's a
couple different layers to it. Does make me think of
my dad, And we'll play for you what what Dan
Patrick said today when the news broke and he was
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told live on the Day Patrick Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get to why it makes me think of
my dad upcoming. But I would make the case in
the world of debate format that Jerry West is the
greatest basketball man to ever walk the face of the earth.
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And I would also make the case that all while
it's very sad, it's not like he died in his
thirties or his forties. You know, you're in your eighties,
and he lived an incredible life. So I'm not happy
that he died, but I do think that in the
timing of things, maybe this is exactly what we need.
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Because there was at least on some levels of discussion, Hey,
what if we changed the logo. I heard this from
people who I sort of respect on television. We should
change the logo to Lebron James. I've heard that. You know,
there was some talk of Jordan, you know there was,
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but also a good portion of it was during the
was it Year of reckoning? Was that what we called it?
How can we have Jerry westby the logo of the NBA?
And what happens is when an iconic figure passes away,
we eulogize him and we point out all of the
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incredible accomplishments of Jerry West. He is an all time
great college player. He is the only man to win
finals MVP whose team did not win a championship. He
average I think it was forty six and thirteen assists.
He actually averaged a triple double in the finals that
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they lost when he was awarded MVP, And though he
wasn't an all time great coach, he did coach. He
is inarguably the most successful executive in the history of
the sport. And oh yeah, by the way, underrated and
not discussed enough, is an amazing evaluator of talent, valuator
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of talent. And of course you could jump in with
the running joke how bad are the Clippers? The clippers
of the organization he couldn't make into a winner, right?
But I think more to be smarter about it is
to simply say, look, was he the greatest player of
all time? I'm a Michael Jordan guy. Many people born
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in the twenty first century believe that Lebron James is
the greatest player of all time. We could make the
case that Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. How did they
get away from this discussion when they saved the NBA
and own the NBA for the most glorious decade of
the NBA. The most physically dominant was probably Wilt Chamberlain,
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the most statistically dominant and MVP dominant, and until this
past year, the all time lead score was Creamy ab
Dul Jabbar. He deserves some recognition, but Jerry West is
in any conversation of all time great players. Alzheimer's and
You can make the case that heck, Jerry Krause built
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a six time champion. We can go through the different
general managers in front offices and picks that are selected,
but you can't have an argument for greatest executive in
the history of the sport without at least mentioning Jerry West. Additionally,
in terms of stars that became great, evalue as your talent,
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because that's really what was missing, what's been missing in
Jordan's game. Larry Bird was actually a very very good coach.
Remember Larry Bird took over for Isaiah Thomas and they
had hit the ceiling at the first round of the
Eastern Conference playoffs, and Bird took the Pacers to the
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NBA Finals. So Larry Bird, all time great player and
legendary coach, just didn't do it for too long and
could never get over the hump and win a championship.
But when you combined the player, the executive, the coach,
and the evaluator, I don't think there's any real argument
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to be made. And oh yeah, by the way, he
was a great college player and a great NBA player
and played his best, had competitive greatness, played his best
when the best was called for. On a personal note.
He gave me one of the greatest compliments any human
beings ever given me. And I got to share lunch
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with him once. I've had friends share lunchers with him.
And when Jerry West says, would you like to have lunch?
Or if you called to ask to have lenchend Jerry West,
it's like watching basketball Jesus speak to you. And he
had lots of thoughts and he was not afraid to
share them, but he did so generally with people that
he respected in the field. And of course it makes
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me think of my dad because you know, like, look,
I didn't I wasn't allowed to watch Jerry West play,
or Will Chamberlain or even Peak kream up Dul Jabbar
or Bill Walton. And we lose Bill Walton last week,
we lose Jerry West today. But to hear him paint
the picture of what it was like, you know, all
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I know is Jerry West, very strong, dominant right hand, crazy, crazy,
athletic jumpshooter, like great elevation on his jump shot, a score,
a competitor, and a warrior. And when they finally won
a championship in seventy two, he did so with a
bum knee that Nowadays, obviously you'd get cleaned up, but
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back then it wasn't the case. So when I think
of Jerry West, sure I think of my dad, but
I think of the greatest basketball man person to walk
this earth. Strong statement, no doubt, but it's not just
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hyperbole based because the guy died. I kind of laid
it out to you. I was driving this morning and
I was listening to Dan Patrick, and this is when
I heard the news. Dan shared that that Jerry West
had passed away.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Jerry West has passed away at the age of eighty six.
He was the logo and certainly a friend of the show.
We tried to have him on. He'd be mad at
me if I was emotional. He like, what are you
crying about. We tried to have him on Reese and
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he wasn't feeling well. I think he had a cold
or the flu, and his wife said, you know, try again.
I think the last time we had him on was
a little little less than a year ago. And you know,
he's a front of the show and integral part of
the show. Came on many, many, many times, joined us
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in studio a couple of times when we were in
Los Angeles. But listen stuff. Yeah, Paulie helped me out.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I just gotta tell you, man, we found out
about three or four minutes before you did. Sometimes we
get information before you and none of us in this
room wanted to walk over and tell you this.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
We were waiting for the break.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
And man, I know how important this guy was to you.
I mean, we talk about Walter Payton for me or
everyone has an athlete that and I think work on
the show a long time. I'm sure he was your hero,
your dad's and then and we saw a couple of times,
maybe about ten years ago he started coming on a
show and he was sitting there with you and talking basketball,
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and I could tell that you were like kind of giddy,
like I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Believe, well, I saw my dad. Yeah, and I think
they were similar age.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Jerry walked out one day and he goes, thank you,
my friend, and I could see You're.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, that's that's not something that's supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's Zeke from Cabin Creek became mister Clutch. And it's
really fascinating, right that here's the guy who was called
mister clutch and was the mop that's the most outstanding
player of the National Championship game. And they lost. They lost,
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And then he was the MVP of the NBA Finals
and that was actually here that they lost. Now, he
won a gold medal in nineteen sixty in Rome. He
had a very complicated life off the floor, where his
dad abused him and he had thoughts of suicide as
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a kid, Like this is not a story that you
dot your eyes with hearts over right, But he was
an absolute warrior as a player, an amazing, amazing competitor,
and during my time with him, just a really thoughtful
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man who loved to talk about the sport that he
played and that he evaluated and that he built championship
teams on. And yeah, when I was listening, I heard
Dan's voice break and I had all the same thoughts. So, look,
you can think what you want of current players. You're
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allowed to. I love when people go, oh, how would
he do against today's player? Well, first of all, Jerry
West was really athletic, very very athletic, and remember you'd
have modern day training as well. But the guy was
the best college basketball player, the best player on the
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Olympic team, the best player in the NBA, voted the
MVP of the Finals when his team didn't win, and
then became the best executive and evaluator of teams and
talent the sport has ever seen. I think that's worthy
of something. Give us your thoughts at Gottlieb Show on
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we'll find a way to weave some of that in
to today's show.
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Come
to you from the tyret dot com studios. And you
know you have Luka Doncic tonight, who who's been getting,
you know, paying killing shots. So you sit there and
go like, man, if Luca's not right, plus he's been,
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you know, really playing defense like he's a cone, do
you have any shot? But Christophe Prezingi's injury, I think
now opens up what anyone would say is a legit conversation, right,
legit conversation. So I just I think that persingis being
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if he's out, I know he's questionable, they'll probably hold
him out. I gotta tell you that, I think that
it becomes potentially a series. A series. All it takes
is one and you get one, you can get a
second one. My guess is the Celtics hold Perzingis out tonight.
They play the long game, right And I read somewhere
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on social media that the injury in some ways is
a parallel to the bloody Sock Kurt Shillings sort of injury.
But considering the litany of injuries that Presingis has had
and how close it feels like he could be to
really injuring himself, my guess is they're cautious and like,
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we got two games none lead, we don't need to
play them. And if he doesn't play, they're a different
team and we could sit here and go, hey, they
played most of the playoffs without him.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's true, But there's also a portion of it that
tells you they weren't. Really they weren't close to the
same team. You know, they weren't close to the same
team when he wasn't playing. They don't have the room
protection and stretch it. Plus it makes Al Horford have
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to move into a different role, and at this point
in time in his career, he can't be that guy
every night buy er. I'll ask you, I mean, do
you what do you think the likely And I know
we can't judge how Perzingis plays or if he plays
like we don't know how he's really feeling. And I
understood what he said yesterday, which is basically like, hey,
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I really really want to I want to play, you know,
I feel like I'm going to play. But I also
think that at some point the Celtics step in and
go like, eh, we don't need you this game. What
do you think?
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yeah, it's pretty interesting because this these next two games
are the shortest turnaround in the series as well. So
while it may seem prudent to be like, let's just
keep Porzingis out this game and he could come back
game four. Game four is on Friday night, so it's
a pretty quick turnaround on the series could change and
be two to two and all the momentum on Dallas's
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side if you don't have Porzingis. I do think me
saying that thinks that maybe it's a little bit worth
the risk for Boston, But ultimately I don't think that
he will play in tonight's game. I think they will
hold him out, especially with Missoula saying this is going
to be a team doctor, you know decision, and I
just I don't think that he'll play tonight.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't think so either. And do you argue with
me that you think that allows it to become a series.
If he doesn't play, this series is much closer.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Yes, yeah, I think that's obviously it. But I also
think this is the turning point in a lot of
series that we remember, whether it be Draymond hitting Lebron
and the you know where and getting suspended, whether it
be you know, Kyrie getting hurt for the Nets in
that series against the Box like this could be that moment,
and I think that the more momentum that Dallas gets,
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obviously the better it is for them, And anything that
the Celtics gained in the first two games, I think
we will point to this injury being the reason why
they lost it. If they do end up.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Loving it, Yeah, I'm with you on that one, completely
with you on that one. Stut Gottlieb show here on
Fox Sports Radio. He's a legend, not just on this
show but in all of basketball. He's one. Only Max
good time basketball coach, college, prep school, you name it,
he's done it. And he's also our official Celtics correspondent.
But Max, before I get to all that, when I
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say Jerry West, what comes your mind?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I went to see the Lakers play the selfie some
in Boston once and I watched pregame very closely, and
Jerry West made forty seven straight mid range jump shots.
Forty seven. Now that's hard to do. I don't care
who you are. That's that'd be hard. Well, it really
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be hard for Stephen Curry. He'd be better from thirty
five or thirty feet out. But West made like elbow
jumpers and what would be the old three? He made
forty seven straight shot, did not miss a shot in womance,
and was a prrific athlete, really good defender, and a
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unbelievable competitor. They I don't know this. I actually hate
lunch with him three different times and he said he
would never he'd never go back to Boston. He was
so bitter about losing over and over and over to them.
You know he was he wasn't his bitterness shown through
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even then?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Why was about losing all the time? The Celtics.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah, I think it just aided his soul that they
kept losing to the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No question.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I think it really really bothered him. And of course
that he had one of the greatest I'm unassuming stars
and Algem Baylor, and then of course they had they
had well and you know, they had Gil good Rich
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for a while, and he I think he was just
I think he played Gail Goodrich, did he not? You
would be more aware of that than would I. I
don't know if he played with Gail Goodrich, had.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Play with Gail Goodrich, but also played with you know,
Wilt towards the end of Wilt's run, right, and Will
was not easy to play with, right, And and they
they just couldn't get over the Celtics till the one
time that they did. All right, let let's get to
the current Celtics. What's your assessment of why they've been
able to keep the Mavericks at such arms distance so
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far through two games.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Well, I've gotten I've gotten a lot of blowback on this,
but I have I've been saying all along that I
think Derek White and Drew Holiday are as impactful of
players as our Tatum and Brown. I said it, and
I meant it, and I still say it. Hugh Durham,
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the great coach at Florida State, once told me that
you know your your team defense and your offense starts
with guards, and you could take average inside players and
great guards and be successful. But the reverse surely wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What about Jason Tatum? Hasn't shot the ball well, obviously
passed the ball well, and seem to do some of
the little things, especially in game two. What's your assessment
of Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Well, ironically I'm not a Jason Tatum fan, but because
of his inability to finish and his reluctance to really
drive the ball, and if he would play off two feet,
but he doesn't play off two feet. You know, if
he plays off two feet, he knows he's going to
get contact, whereas he tries to float and you know,
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one foot horizontal jump and ends up missing shots and
getting cracked as well. But having said that, I feel
sorry for him somewhat now if you can feel sorry
for somebody that's making three hundred million in the next
few years about to go up. But he I think
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he's done a really good job of become a better
passer and a better defender who takes on defensive assignments
with with Gusto, I think he's helping them in many
other ways. And I guess it's a good thing for
the Lakers if that's true, because if he was making shots,
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no tell him how much? Said be winning? By all right?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
If Prazingis doesn't play, what does that do this series?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Well? I think they. I think I'm and by the way,
I think I just said the wrong name for for
who in the hell was I talking about?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You said the Lakers is the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
It's fine, Yeah, Max, Max.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Max, You're you're old. We all got our heads and
we're okay. We know you to god.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Damn. No, I'm no. I give a new meaning to
the word all I'm ancient. But no, uh, I just
I think every game is his own entity. I don't
think there's that much carryover from game to game. I
personally felt that way as a coach. Just because you
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beat somebody by so much at their place or what
have you, didn't mean you were automatically going to run
back at your place. Because different game, different situations, different
outcomes a lot of times, but they have been very
successful with Horford playing, I think there's something like twenty
four and four without Porzingis. Although I think Porzingis obviously
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makes a huge difference. Just the shots that he missed directs.
You know, they're aware of him all the time when
they're going to the basket. They know he's lurking. And
it isn't just his literal block shots. It's the shots
that he changes.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah. No, and then and then he stretches you out
because he can make shots, you can make shots. He
makes you have to guard him out to twenty six
twenty feet oh, and.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
That that opens up everything for everybody else and uh it,
uh no, I think I think he's a heck of
a player. When Joe Bonisar was that when I was
in Las Vegas, Joe Buonisar invited me. He knew I,
you know, I didn't really have a life and all
I cared about was basketball and they were bringing for
Zingis to work out, and I went over to watch
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him work out, and I'll never forget he was impressive,
but he was a tweak and he said, well, he
didn't want to be known as a soft European player.
And of course I think he's brittle. You know, he's
I don't know if they'll ever be able to do
anything to protect his leg, but he's been he's been
a heck of a player for him this year.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, the great
Max Good is joining us. All right, well, what on
the other side, what about Luca? I mean, man, he is.
It's one thing to I understand he struggle with your body,
you're all beaten up, But man, he has been a
no show on the defensive end.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
He really hasn't. And I've watched two or three clips
for where they've showed where he's like a mannequin, looks
like Lebron James playing defense up there. But he's Lebron's
got a little bit of an excuse at being, you know,
one hundred and three years old. But Luca, Luca had
been for a while, was improving defensively. But obviously Kyrie's
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offense is lack of offense is hurting him, and Luca's
defense is equally hurting them just as much. He gives
up as much as he gets, you know he does.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
But on the other hand, you got Kyrie who's not
getting and giving up as well.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Right right. I think Kyrie is in You know, he
said something very strange in Boston the first night. He
said he didn't think they were that loud. Well, I
have a couple of people that went to the second
game and said the minute he came up for his
eight or ten minute warm up, you know, with his
workout guy, that it was deafening and he had he
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had air plugging him. He don't do that to people
in Boston.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He's a special one. He's a special one. Right.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah. I don't not behoove him to think that, well,
they were going to be mannerly all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
How likely are we to have a good competitive series?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Well, I hope, well not. I hope it's over in four.
Although I don't know what I'll do missing three extra
games because I don't there's not much in my life anymore.
I'll start watching the Celtics and they're futilely playing, But
I don't know. I hope it's a series. I just
want Boston to win, regardless of the situation.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
You the best, Max, Max enjoyed the game to night.
We'll talk to you and thanks so much for getting
thoughts on the series and on Jerry West. That's the
one and only Max Good joining us here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. I give a
new meaning to the word old. I'm ancient, he said, right,
new meaning too old. I'm ancient, man. I hope we
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have a series. I think we will. And I just
saw some video of Brazingis walking in for shoot around.
You know, it's on a Celtics blog, and they're like, no, limp,
no brace probably good to go, Like there's a there's
a big jump between limping when you're walking walking into
the arena, not limping when you're walking walking into arena,
and whether or not you play in an NBA Finals game.
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But I'm fascinated to see fast to see it, and
I do think, you know, it's part of the brazingis
being traded. A good portion of the reason that Dallas
moved off him, the Knicks moved off him, is because
of it is the injury prone right stop before lack
of talent, it's the injury situation. So tonight should be interesting.
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I think the Mavericks win. I think we creep closer
to a series. I think, you know, Kyrie's got to
play better. Than he's played. And this knowing full well,
full well that uh that Jason Tatum still hasn't shot
the basketball well, and I think that that day is coming,
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But I think the Mavericks win tonight. Coming up next
to The Doug Gotlieb Show, we're live at the tyreck
dot Com Studios. Who's the better coach in the series?
Jason Kidd or Joe Mizzula? Who game a better or worse?
That's next to the Doug Gotlieb Show.
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from
the tyrack dot Com Studios. Every day. At this time,
we turn over to Dan Byer play game.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Hey there, Denny, what do you got?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Hey, Doug?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
The game today is Oh boy, this is not a
good sign.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
For better or worse?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Uh, somehow I pulled up the wrong There are better
or worse?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
All right? This is the newer game that we've got
here on the Doug Gottlieb where he just gets to
tell us which of our two subjects is better or
worse than the other. We start out, Doug for better
or worse as an NBA head coach. Joe Missoula versus
Jason Kidd.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Joe Missoula versus Jason Kidd. I think Missoula has been better.
I'll be interested to see. I also think Missoula has
a better roster. Does help, It does help, But I'm
gonna say Missoula has been better today. I thought, I
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thought Jason Kidd has impressed me in his improvement as
a coach, and I think he's he's damn smart. But
Missoula has been really good, really good, and made some
great proper adjustments and changed some of his rotation. And remember,
like as much as adding perzingis to the lineup helps
you and has helped propel them to two games and
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then lead, it can upset the apple cart. You've got
to figure out all those all those pieces work when
you've had a rotation that you've worked through in the
playoffs here so far. But I'm going to go with Missoula.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Hey, Doug, Yeah, Jason Kidd, what what did he do
wrong his first time around or second time coaching? And
what is he doing better? Like what's a specific thing
that he's improved.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, he had, he had assistance to a lot of
the X and O coaching, and I think it was
actually very smart. It's like, hey, when you don't know
and you're not ready for that, hire people who do know.
But it was a lot more kind of figurehead type
of stuff back then, whereas now it's not. Now, I
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think it's a little bit more hands on. I think
he has the whiteboard a little bit more. But you know,
part of it is also in how you work with
the players. I think when he remember he stepped into
coaching right after he got done playing played with the Knicks,
it ended poorly. Then he was the next head coach
the next season. I think his ego has taken a
bit of a back seat. I mean, Jason still has
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a healthy egos, as we all do, especially when you're
an all time great player as he was, but I
feel like he's had to sacrifice it to work, especially
with Kyrie. And you know, I mean, look, Kyrie's played
some of his best basketball in the last five years
during his time in Dallas, and you gotta at least
give some credit to j it.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Jason. Kid's also not asking anyone to spill a drink
on him anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, it's a good move.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Though it was. It was very clever free time out
for better or worse as NBA players. Jason Kidd versus
Steve Nash. Oh, I feel like these two are always linked.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, yeah, I mean Steve Nash was Jason Kidd's backup
Phoenix when he was drafted.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
What they traded for each other as well?
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Yeah, that's what I thought they times in Dallas and Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yes, they they, But but when Steve Nash. Remember Steve
Nash was originally drafted I believe by the Suns, and
then he was either traded or signed by the Mavericks,
and then he became a star, and then they were
traded for each other. I think I have that right.
Somebody looked that up.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
We've got an interron looking at it. I've got an
intron now, so we could have him look things up
like this.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I Oh, that's hard. I'm gonna go with Jason Kidd.
I'm gonna go with Jason Kidd. And it's not because
I don't think Steve Nash deserved the MVP. Jason Kidd
was amazing. Remember he got the nets to the finals
(32:17):
as well.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yes, two years, two and three college career too, No
disrespect to Santa Clara, but kid was the was the
it thing with cal as well.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
How he ended his high school career was like one
of the most iconic things I can remember. They're playing
against modern day, which was a traditional powerhouse in Arco
or the old Arco Arena, and he had an amazing
game and then, you know, with probably like three minutes
to go games intact, he gets a breakaway, gets a dunk,
you know, two hand dunk, and they call a time
out and like that was it. That was a wrap.
(32:51):
It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Douga's correct.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
Steve Nash drafted by the Suns confirmed.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
You know who the thieves? Do you know who the
third point guard on that roster us the Sons.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Everybody knows that one. Doug who Sam Cassell?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
No the third point guard on the roster with the
with the Phoenix Suns. When Steve Nash.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Was drafted Kevin Johnson.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I believe it was Steve kerr Oh.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Wikipedia says something different, but it could be very very.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Well, what ye what year was it is?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Ninety six, ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Yes, he was drafted in the ninety six draft, so
it says during his first two seasons in the NBA,
nash plaited a supporting role behind NBA star point guards
Kevin Johnson, Sam Cassell and later Jason Kidd.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I think Steve Kerr was on that team too. I
could be wrong. I mean he may be.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Remember Kerr on the Suns though.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
He's not on that roster. I'm looking at the roster now, yoh,
so you're one for two, Doug. You should have quit
while you're ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
Kerr played for the Suns his first years eighty eight
and eighty nine. Okay, that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
That roster eighty eight eighty nine. I think that team
averaged like one hundred and twenty one points a game.
That was little Cotton Fitzsimmons. And that's like a ridiculous
roster of shooters. Like if that was now, it would
be incredible, but they just had shooters galore, Tom Chambers
and how go Tom Chambers me now?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Oh oh.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Tom Tamers is remembered for one dunk right where he
took off almost fret the line that put his knee
in somebody's chest. Yes, definitely, definitely on the list of
greatest white dunkers.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I don't know if it was Lakers versus Celtics, but
one of those video games he was he was awesome.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Man. Yes, all right, Lakers Celtics, NBA playoffs crazy.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
It's funny because I thought they were when Jason said
traded for each other. I was with Jason as well
because they both played for Phoenix, they both played for Dallas.
But yeah, Doug Douglas correct on the backup portion of it,
and I think never traded for each other, for better
or worse. Doug coolest member of the Triple JS back
in the nineteen nineties in Dallas. Ooh, Jason Kidd.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Coolest based upon what I'm just now.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
In Joey the coolest now is he was also the
coolest back then.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
But Jimmy, Jimmy, Yeah, it's not really close. Yes, But
but what's crazy is the most successful is Jamal Mashburn.
Like do you guys know about Jamal Mashburn's empire?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Oh? Outside of basketball?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Yeah? What COO like familiarized me because I.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
He owns he owns a bunch of Lexus dealerships and
I want to say Papa John's Okay franchises like he's
a business mogul, Like he he left ESPN not because
they didn't want Tom back. It was just like, eh,
I just was getting away of my workflow, my life,
(35:57):
like an absolute business mogul. Paul Mashburn is freaking brilliant.
Like he's the kind of guy you know, you get
those guys on ig that that you know, Follow me
if you want real estate information, follow me if you
want these kind of life hacks, Like he is the
actual life hack. Like he's a ridiculous businessman and entrepreneur.
(36:21):
It's it's it's kind of the stuff of legend. He
owns a bunch of outback steakhouses too, Yeah, ninety businesses,
thirty four outback steakhouses, thirty seven Papa John's, and a
number of Lexus dealerships.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
All Right, Doug for better or worse? Yukon coach Jim
Calhoun or Dan Hurley. Oh the fact that this is
now even a topic, Yes, I think says enough.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Who Wow, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Jim Calhoun.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
All Right, Calhoun better than Hurley at this.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't want to say better, I mean just well,
it's better or worse. I got it. There's no worse,
They're both awesome. I'm gonna go with Calhoun.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
For better or worse Lakers, Miss Dan Hurley versus Coach K.
This may be a worse angle.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Uh, Coach K is a worse Miss. Not because he's
a worse coach. He's a more iconic figure, right and
supposedly is much the same thing, right, Like, you have
to go with Fu money if you want to get
a guy like that, and they missed H.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Finally, Doug for better or worse? The current US Open
setup versus the old days, the olden days, if you will,
when it was thick rough that was knee high fair ways,
the size of the.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Potion step now is far, far worse. It was better
than it was the ultimate test of golf, and everybody
complained about it, but you know what, you knew what
you were getting. And Parr was good enough. That was better.
This is worse.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
I think I think Parr could come into play. But
the unfair nature of the old days actually was great.
And that's game time.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
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the NBA Finals Game three, and we may we may
have a series, all right, we may have a series,
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especially with christopsprezingis being listened as questionable. I want to
get to that. Max Good, the legendary iconic former college
and prep school coach, will join. We'll talk some Celtics,
but we'll also talk about the sad news of the
passing of Jerry West. We'll get to that. Also, more
news on Aaron Rodgers since yesterday, where it feels like
(01:11):
everyone is stealing from our guy Jason Stewart's notes, where
today people woke up saying, Hey, take a guess, what
could Aaron Rodgers be doing instead of being at training camp, which,
by the way, he's gonna miss all of this of
this mini camp. I believe that was the topic du
jour yesterday on the Doug Gottlib Show. So either they're
listening to the show, or stealing off Jay Stews's notes,
(01:33):
or just simply trying to copy the incredible mind of
the producer of this here radio show. Needless to say,
I want to start with Jerry West, and there's a
couple different layers to it. Does make me think of
my dad, And we'll play for you what what Dan
Patrick said today when the news broke and he was
(01:56):
told live on the Day Patrick Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get to why it makes me think of
my dad upcoming. But I would make the case in
the world of debate format that Jerry West is the
greatest basketball man to ever walk the face of the earth.
(02:19):
And I would also make the case that all while
it's very sad, it's not like he died in his
thirties or his forties. You know, you're in your eighties,
and he lived an incredible life. So I'm not happy
that he died, but I do think that in the
timing of things, maybe this is exactly what we need.
(02:43):
Because there was at least on some levels of discussion, Hey,
what if we changed the logo. I heard this from
people who I sort of respect on television. We should
change the logo to Lebron James. I've heard that. You know,
there was some talk of Jordan, you know there was,
(03:04):
but also a good portion of it was during the
was it Year of reckoning? Was that what we called it?
How can we have Jerry westby the logo of the NBA?
And what happens is when an iconic figure passes away,
we eulogize him and we point out all of the
(03:25):
incredible accomplishments of Jerry West. He is an all time
great college player. He is the only man to win
finals MVP whose team did not win a championship. He
average I think it was forty six and thirteen assists.
He actually averaged a triple double in the finals that
(03:45):
they lost when he was awarded MVP, And though he
wasn't an all time great coach, he did coach. He
is inarguably the most successful executive in the history of
the sport. And oh yeah, by the way, underrated and
not discussed enough, is an amazing evaluator of talent, valuator
(04:10):
of talent. And of course you could jump in with
the running joke how bad are the Clippers? The clippers
of the organization he couldn't make into a winner, right?
But I think more to be smarter about it is
to simply say, look, was he the greatest player of
all time? I'm a Michael Jordan guy. Many people born
(04:32):
in the twenty first century believe that Lebron James is
the greatest player of all time. We could make the
case that Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. How did they
get away from this discussion when they saved the NBA
and own the NBA for the most glorious decade of
the NBA. The most physically dominant was probably Wilt Chamberlain,
(04:56):
the most statistically dominant and MVP dominant, and until this
past year, the all time lead score was Creamy ab
Dul Jabbar. He deserves some recognition, but Jerry West is
in any conversation of all time great players. Alzheimer's and
You can make the case that heck, Jerry Krause built
(05:19):
a six time champion. We can go through the different
general managers in front offices and picks that are selected,
but you can't have an argument for greatest executive in
the history of the sport without at least mentioning Jerry West. Additionally,
in terms of stars that became great, evalue as your talent,
(05:41):
because that's really what was missing, what's been missing in
Jordan's game. Larry Bird was actually a very very good coach.
Remember Larry Bird took over for Isaiah Thomas and they
had hit the ceiling at the first round of the
Eastern Conference playoffs, and Bird took the Pacers to the
(06:02):
NBA Finals. So Larry Bird, all time great player and
legendary coach, just didn't do it for too long and
could never get over the hump and win a championship.
But when you combined the player, the executive, the coach,
and the evaluator, I don't think there's any real argument
(06:27):
to be made. And oh yeah, by the way, he
was a great college player and a great NBA player
and played his best, had competitive greatness, played his best
when the best was called for. On a personal note.
He gave me one of the greatest compliments any human
beings ever given me. And I got to share lunch
(06:52):
with him once. I've had friends share lunchers with him.
And when Jerry West says, would you like to have lunch?
Or if you called to ask to have lenchend Jerry West,
it's like watching basketball Jesus speak to you. And he
had lots of thoughts and he was not afraid to
share them, but he did so generally with people that
he respected in the field. And of course it makes
(07:15):
me think of my dad because you know, like, look,
I didn't I wasn't allowed to watch Jerry West play,
or Will Chamberlain or even Peak kream up Dul Jabbar
or Bill Walton. And we lose Bill Walton last week,
we lose Jerry West today. But to hear him paint
the picture of what it was like, you know, all
(07:37):
I know is Jerry West, very strong, dominant right hand, crazy, crazy,
athletic jumpshooter, like great elevation on his jump shot, a score,
a competitor, and a warrior. And when they finally won
a championship in seventy two, he did so with a
bum knee that Nowadays, obviously you'd get cleaned up, but
(08:00):
back then it wasn't the case. So when I think
of Jerry West, sure I think of my dad, but
I think of the greatest basketball man person to walk
this earth. Strong statement, no doubt, but it's not just
(08:22):
hyperbole based because the guy died. I kind of laid
it out to you. I was driving this morning and
I was listening to Dan Patrick, and this is when
I heard the news. Dan shared that that Jerry West
had passed away.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Jerry West has passed away at the age of eighty six.
He was the logo and certainly a friend of the show.
We tried to have him on. He'd be mad at
me if I was emotional. He like, what are you
crying about. We tried to have him on Reese and
(09:00):
he wasn't feeling well. I think he had a cold
or the flu, and his wife said, you know, try again.
I think the last time we had him on was
a little little less than a year ago. And you know,
he's a front of the show and integral part of
the show. Came on many, many, many times, joined us
(09:20):
in studio a couple of times when we were in
Los Angeles. But listen stuff. Yeah, Paulie helped me out.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yeah, I just gotta tell you, man, we found out
about three or four minutes before you did. Sometimes we
get information before you and none of us in this
room wanted to walk over and tell you this.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
We were waiting for the break.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
And man, I know how important this guy was to you.
I mean, we talk about Walter Payton for me or
everyone has an athlete that and I think work on
the show a long time. I'm sure he was your hero,
your dad's and then and we saw a couple of times,
maybe about ten years ago he started coming on a
show and he was sitting there with you and talking basketball,
(10:03):
and I could tell that you were like kind of giddy,
like I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Believe, well, I saw my dad. Yeah, and I think
they were similar age.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Jerry walked out one day and he goes, thank you,
my friend, and I could see You're.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah, that's that's not something that's supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It's Zeke from Cabin Creek became mister Clutch. And it's
really fascinating, right that here's the guy who was called
mister clutch and was the mop that's the most outstanding
player of the National Championship game. And they lost. They lost,
(10:40):
And then he was the MVP of the NBA Finals
and that was actually here that they lost. Now, he
won a gold medal in nineteen sixty in Rome. He
had a very complicated life off the floor, where his
dad abused him and he had thoughts of suicide as
(11:02):
a kid, Like this is not a story that you
dot your eyes with hearts over right, But he was
an absolute warrior as a player, an amazing, amazing competitor,
and during my time with him, just a really thoughtful
(11:25):
man who loved to talk about the sport that he
played and that he evaluated and that he built championship
teams on. And yeah, when I was listening, I heard
Dan's voice break and I had all the same thoughts. So, look,
you can think what you want of current players. You're
(11:47):
allowed to. I love when people go, oh, how would
he do against today's player? Well, first of all, Jerry
West was really athletic, very very athletic, and remember you'd
have modern day training as well. But the guy was
the best college basketball player, the best player on the
(12:08):
Olympic team, the best player in the NBA, voted the
MVP of the Finals when his team didn't win, and
then became the best executive and evaluator of teams and
talent the sport has ever seen. I think that's worthy
of something. Give us your thoughts at Gottlieb Show on
(12:29):
x or Twitter, whatever you want to call it, and
we'll find a way to weave some of that in
to today's show.
Speaker 6 (12:37):
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Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Come
to you from the tyret dot com studios. And you
know you have Luka Doncic tonight, who who's been getting,
you know, paying killing shots. So you sit there and
go like, man, if Luca's not right, plus he's been,
(13:09):
you know, really playing defense like he's a cone, do
you have any shot? But Christophe Prezingi's injury, I think
now opens up what anyone would say is a legit conversation, right,
legit conversation. So I just I think that persingis being
(13:31):
if he's out, I know he's questionable, they'll probably hold
him out. I gotta tell you that, I think that
it becomes potentially a series. A series. All it takes
is one and you get one, you can get a
second one. My guess is the Celtics hold Perzingis out tonight.
They play the long game, right And I read somewhere
(13:55):
on social media that the injury in some ways is
a parallel to the bloody Sock Kurt Shillings sort of injury.
But considering the litany of injuries that Presingis has had
and how close it feels like he could be to
really injuring himself, my guess is they're cautious and like,
(14:16):
we got two games none lead, we don't need to
play them. And if he doesn't play, they're a different
team and we could sit here and go, hey, they
played most of the playoffs without him.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's true, But there's also a portion of it that
tells you they weren't. Really they weren't close to the
same team. You know, they weren't close to the same
team when he wasn't playing. They don't have the room
protection and stretch it. Plus it makes Al Horford have
(14:49):
to move into a different role, and at this point
in time in his career, he can't be that guy
every night buy er. I'll ask you, I mean, do
you what do you think the likely And I know
we can't judge how Perzingis plays or if he plays
like we don't know how he's really feeling. And I
understood what he said yesterday, which is basically like, hey,
(15:10):
I really really want to I want to play, you know,
I feel like I'm going to play. But I also
think that at some point the Celtics step in and
go like, eh, we don't need you this game. What
do you think?
Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yeah, it's pretty interesting because this these next two games
are the shortest turnaround in the series as well. So
while it may seem prudent to be like, let's just
keep Porzingis out this game and he could come back
game four. Game four is on Friday night, so it's
a pretty quick turnaround on the series could change and
be two to two and all the momentum on Dallas's
(15:42):
side if you don't have Porzingis. I do think me
saying that thinks that maybe it's a little bit worth
the risk for Boston, But ultimately I don't think that
he will play in tonight's game. I think they will
hold him out, especially with Missoula saying this is going
to be a team doctor, you know decision, and I
just I don't think that he'll play tonight.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
I don't think so either. And do you argue with
me that you think that allows it to become a series.
If he doesn't play, this series is much closer.
Speaker 7 (16:13):
Yes, yeah, I think that's obviously it. But I also
think this is the turning point in a lot of
series that we remember, whether it be Draymond hitting Lebron
and the you know where and getting suspended, whether it
be you know, Kyrie getting hurt for the Nets in
that series against the Box like this could be that moment,
and I think that the more momentum that Dallas gets,
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obviously the better it is for them, And anything that
the Celtics gained in the first two games, I think
we will point to this injury being the reason why
they lost it. If they do end up.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
Loving it, Yeah, I'm with you on that one, completely
with you on that one. Stut Gottlieb show here on
Fox Sports Radio. He's a legend, not just on this
show but in all of basketball. He's one. Only Max
good time basketball coach, college, prep school, you name it,
he's done it. And he's also our official Celtics correspondent.
But Max, before I get to all that, when I
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say Jerry West, what comes your mind?
Speaker 5 (17:12):
I went to see the Lakers play the selfie some
in Boston once and I watched pregame very closely, and
Jerry West made forty seven straight mid range jump shots.
Forty seven. Now that's hard to do. I don't care
who you are. That's that'd be hard. Well, it really
(17:34):
be hard for Stephen Curry. He'd be better from thirty
five or thirty feet out. But West made like elbow
jumpers and what would be the old three? He made
forty seven straight shot, did not miss a shot in womance,
and was a prrific athlete, really good defender, and a
(17:56):
unbelievable competitor. They I don't know this. I actually hate
lunch with him three different times and he said he
would never he'd never go back to Boston. He was
so bitter about losing over and over and over to them.
You know he was he wasn't his bitterness shown through
(18:19):
even then?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Why was about losing all the time? The Celtics.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah, I think it just aided his soul that they
kept losing to the Celtics.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
No question.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I think it really really bothered him. And of course
that he had one of the greatest I'm unassuming stars
and Algem Baylor, and then of course they had they
had well and you know, they had Gil good Rich
(18:56):
for a while, and he I think he was just
I think he played Gail Goodrich, did he not? You
would be more aware of that than would I. I
don't know if he played with Gail Goodrich, had.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Play with Gail Goodrich, but also played with you know,
Wilt towards the end of Wilt's run, right, and Will
was not easy to play with, right, And and they
they just couldn't get over the Celtics till the one
time that they did. All right, let let's get to
the current Celtics. What's your assessment of why they've been
able to keep the Mavericks at such arms distance so
(19:30):
far through two games.
Speaker 5 (19:32):
Well, I've gotten I've gotten a lot of blowback on this,
but I have I've been saying all along that I
think Derek White and Drew Holiday are as impactful of
players as our Tatum and Brown. I said it, and
I meant it, and I still say it. Hugh Durham,
(19:53):
the great coach at Florida State, once told me that
you know your your team defense and your offense starts
with guards, and you could take average inside players and
great guards and be successful. But the reverse surely wasn't true.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
What about Jason Tatum? Hasn't shot the ball well, obviously
passed the ball well, and seem to do some of
the little things, especially in game two. What's your assessment
of Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Well, ironically I'm not a Jason Tatum fan, but because
of his inability to finish and his reluctance to really
drive the ball, and if he would play off two feet,
but he doesn't play off two feet. You know, if
he plays off two feet, he knows he's going to
get contact, whereas he tries to float and you know,
(20:42):
one foot horizontal jump and ends up missing shots and
getting cracked as well. But having said that, I feel
sorry for him somewhat now if you can feel sorry
for somebody that's making three hundred million in the next
few years about to go up. But he I think
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he's done a really good job of become a better
passer and a better defender who takes on defensive assignments
with with Gusto, I think he's helping them in many
other ways. And I guess it's a good thing for
the Lakers if that's true, because if he was making shots,
(21:22):
no tell him how much? Said be winning? By all right?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
If Prazingis doesn't play, what does that do this series?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Well? I think they. I think I'm and by the way,
I think I just said the wrong name for for
who in the hell was I talking about?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You said the Lakers is the Celtics.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
It's fine, Yeah, Max, Max.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Max, You're you're old. We all got our heads and
we're okay. We know you to god.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
Damn. No, I'm no. I give a new meaning to
the word all I'm ancient. But no, uh, I just
I think every game is his own entity. I don't
think there's that much carryover from game to game. I
personally felt that way as a coach. Just because you
(22:11):
beat somebody by so much at their place or what
have you, didn't mean you were automatically going to run
back at your place. Because different game, different situations, different
outcomes a lot of times, but they have been very
successful with Horford playing, I think there's something like twenty
four and four without Porzingis. Although I think Porzingis obviously
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makes a huge difference. Just the shots that he missed directs.
You know, they're aware of him all the time when
they're going to the basket. They know he's lurking. And
it isn't just his literal block shots. It's the shots
that he changes.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah. No, and then and then he stretches you out
because he can make shots, you can make shots. He
makes you have to guard him out to twenty six
twenty feet oh, and.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
That that opens up everything for everybody else and uh it,
uh no, I think I think he's a heck of
a player. When Joe Bonisar was that when I was
in Las Vegas, Joe Buonisar invited me. He knew I,
you know, I didn't really have a life and all
I cared about was basketball and they were bringing for
Zingis to work out, and I went over to watch
(23:23):
him work out, and I'll never forget he was impressive,
but he was a tweak and he said, well, he
didn't want to be known as a soft European player.
And of course I think he's brittle. You know, he's
I don't know if they'll ever be able to do
anything to protect his leg, but he's been he's been
a heck of a player for him this year.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, the great
Max Good is joining us. All right, well, what on
the other side, what about Luca? I mean, man, he is.
It's one thing to I understand he struggle with your body,
you're all beaten up, But man, he has been a
no show on the defensive end.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
He really hasn't. And I've watched two or three clips
for where they've showed where he's like a mannequin, looks
like Lebron James playing defense up there. But he's Lebron's
got a little bit of an excuse at being, you know,
one hundred and three years old. But Luca, Luca had
been for a while, was improving defensively. But obviously Kyrie's
(24:34):
offense is lack of offense is hurting him, and Luca's
defense is equally hurting them just as much. He gives
up as much as he gets, you know he does.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
But on the other hand, you got Kyrie who's not
getting and giving up as well.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Right right. I think Kyrie is in You know, he
said something very strange in Boston the first night. He
said he didn't think they were that loud. Well, I
have a couple of people that went to the second
game and said the minute he came up for his
eight or ten minute warm up, you know, with his
workout guy, that it was deafening and he had he
(25:12):
had air plugging him. He don't do that to people
in Boston.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
He's a special one. He's a special one. Right.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah. I don't not behoove him to think that, well,
they were going to be mannerly all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
How likely are we to have a good competitive series?
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Well, I hope, well not. I hope it's over in four.
Although I don't know what I'll do missing three extra
games because I don't there's not much in my life anymore.
I'll start watching the Celtics and they're futilely playing, But
I don't know. I hope it's a series. I just
want Boston to win, regardless of the situation.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
You the best, Max, Max enjoyed the game to night.
We'll talk to you and thanks so much for getting
thoughts on the series and on Jerry West. That's the
one and only Max Good joining us here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. I give a
new meaning to the word old. I'm ancient, he said, right,
new meaning too old. I'm ancient, man. I hope we
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have a series. I think we will. And I just
saw some video of Brazingis walking in for shoot around.
You know, it's on a Celtics blog, and they're like, no, limp,
no brace probably good to go, Like there's a there's
a big jump between limping when you're walking walking into
the arena, not limping when you're walking walking into arena,
and whether or not you play in an NBA Finals game.
(26:43):
But I'm fascinated to see fast to see it, and
I do think, you know, it's part of the brazingis
being traded. A good portion of the reason that Dallas
moved off him, the Knicks moved off him, is because
of it is the injury prone right stop before lack
of talent, it's the injury situation. So tonight should be interesting.
(27:08):
I think the Mavericks win. I think we creep closer
to a series. I think, you know, Kyrie's got to
play better. Than he's played. And this knowing full well,
full well that uh that Jason Tatum still hasn't shot
the basketball well, and I think that that day is coming,
(27:29):
But I think the Mavericks win tonight. Coming up next
to The Doug Gotlieb Show, we're live at the tyreck
dot Com Studios. Who's the better coach in the series?
Jason Kidd or Joe Mizzula? Who game a better or worse?
That's next to the Doug Gotlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to you from
the tyrack dot Com Studios. Every day. At this time,
we turn over to Dan Byer play game.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Hey there, Denny, what do you got?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Hey, Doug?
Speaker 7 (28:13):
The game today is Oh boy, this is not a
good sign.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
For better or worse?
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Uh, somehow I pulled up the wrong There are better
or worse?
Speaker 7 (28:31):
All right? This is the newer game that we've got
here on the Doug Gottlieb where he just gets to
tell us which of our two subjects is better or
worse than the other. We start out, Doug for better
or worse as an NBA head coach. Joe Missoula versus
Jason Kidd.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Joe Missoula versus Jason Kidd. I think Missoula has been better.
I'll be interested to see. I also think Missoula has
a better roster. Does help, It does help, But I'm
gonna say Missoula has been better today. I thought, I
(29:11):
thought Jason Kidd has impressed me in his improvement as
a coach, and I think he's he's damn smart. But
Missoula has been really good, really good, and made some
great proper adjustments and changed some of his rotation. And remember,
like as much as adding perzingis to the lineup helps
you and has helped propel them to two games and
(29:33):
then lead, it can upset the apple cart. You've got
to figure out all those all those pieces work when
you've had a rotation that you've worked through in the
playoffs here so far. But I'm going to go with Missoula.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Hey, Doug, Yeah, Jason Kidd, what what did he do
wrong his first time around or second time coaching? And
what is he doing better? Like what's a specific thing
that he's improved.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Well, he had, he had assistance to a lot of
the X and O coaching, and I think it was
actually very smart. It's like, hey, when you don't know
and you're not ready for that, hire people who do know.
But it was a lot more kind of figurehead type
of stuff back then, whereas now it's not. Now, I
(30:13):
think it's a little bit more hands on. I think
he has the whiteboard a little bit more. But you know,
part of it is also in how you work with
the players. I think when he remember he stepped into
coaching right after he got done playing played with the Knicks,
it ended poorly. Then he was the next head coach
the next season. I think his ego has taken a
bit of a back seat. I mean, Jason still has
(30:35):
a healthy egos, as we all do, especially when you're
an all time great player as he was, but I
feel like he's had to sacrifice it to work, especially
with Kyrie. And you know, I mean, look, Kyrie's played
some of his best basketball in the last five years
during his time in Dallas, and you gotta at least
give some credit to j it.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Jason. Kid's also not asking anyone to spill a drink
on him anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, it's a good move.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
Though it was. It was very clever free time out
for better or worse as NBA players. Jason Kidd versus
Steve Nash. Oh, I feel like these two are always linked.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Well, yeah, I mean Steve Nash was Jason Kidd's backup
Phoenix when he was drafted.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
What they traded for each other as well?
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Yeah, that's what I thought they times in Dallas and Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yes, they they, But but when Steve Nash. Remember Steve
Nash was originally drafted I believe by the Suns, and
then he was either traded or signed by the Mavericks,
and then he became a star, and then they were
traded for each other. I think I have that right.
Somebody looked that up.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
We've got an interron looking at it. I've got an
intron now, so we could have him look things up
like this.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I Oh, that's hard. I'm gonna go with Jason Kidd.
I'm gonna go with Jason Kidd. And it's not because
I don't think Steve Nash deserved the MVP. Jason Kidd
was amazing. Remember he got the nets to the finals
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as well.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
Yes, two years, two and three college career too, No
disrespect to Santa Clara, but kid was the was the
it thing with cal as well.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
How he ended his high school career was like one
of the most iconic things I can remember. They're playing
against modern day, which was a traditional powerhouse in Arco
or the old Arco Arena, and he had an amazing
game and then, you know, with probably like three minutes
to go games intact, he gets a breakaway, gets a dunk,
you know, two hand dunk, and they call a time
out and like that was it. That was a wrap.
(32:51):
It was pretty awesome.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Douga's correct.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
Steve Nash drafted by the Suns confirmed.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
You know who the thieves? Do you know who the
third point guard on that roster us the Sons.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Everybody knows that one. Doug who Sam Cassell?
Speaker 1 (33:07):
No the third point guard on the roster with the
with the Phoenix Suns. When Steve Nash.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Was drafted Kevin Johnson.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I believe it was Steve kerr Oh.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Wikipedia says something different, but it could be very very.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Well, what ye what year was it is?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Ninety six, ninety seven.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Yes, he was drafted in the ninety six draft, so
it says during his first two seasons in the NBA,
nash plaited a supporting role behind NBA star point guards
Kevin Johnson, Sam Cassell and later Jason Kidd.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I think Steve Kerr was on that team too. I
could be wrong. I mean he may be.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
Remember Kerr on the Suns though.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
He's not on that roster. I'm looking at the roster now, yoh,
so you're one for two, Doug. You should have quit
while you're ahead.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Oh.
Speaker 7 (33:57):
Kerr played for the Suns his first years eighty eight
and eighty nine. Okay, that's what it was.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
That roster eighty eight eighty nine. I think that team
averaged like one hundred and twenty one points a game.
That was little Cotton Fitzsimmons. And that's like a ridiculous
roster of shooters. Like if that was now, it would
be incredible, but they just had shooters galore, Tom Chambers
and how go Tom Chambers me now?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Oh oh.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Tom Tamers is remembered for one dunk right where he
took off almost fret the line that put his knee
in somebody's chest. Yes, definitely, definitely on the list of
greatest white dunkers.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I don't know if it was Lakers versus Celtics, but
one of those video games he was he was awesome.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Man. Yes, all right, Lakers Celtics, NBA playoffs crazy.
Speaker 7 (34:47):
It's funny because I thought they were when Jason said
traded for each other. I was with Jason as well
because they both played for Phoenix, they both played for Dallas.
But yeah, Doug Douglas correct on the backup portion of it,
and I think never traded for each other, for better
or worse. Doug coolest member of the Triple JS back
in the nineteen nineties in Dallas. Ooh, Jason Kidd.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Coolest based upon what I'm just now.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
In Joey the coolest now is he was also the
coolest back then.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
But Jimmy, Jimmy, Yeah, it's not really close. Yes, But
but what's crazy is the most successful is Jamal Mashburn.
Like do you guys know about Jamal Mashburn's empire?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Oh? Outside of basketball?
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Yeah? What COO like familiarized me because I.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
He owns he owns a bunch of Lexus dealerships and
I want to say Papa John's Okay franchises like he's
a business mogul, Like he he left ESPN not because
they didn't want Tom back. It was just like, eh,
I just was getting away of my workflow, my life,
(35:57):
like an absolute business mogul. Paul Mashburn is freaking brilliant.
Like he's the kind of guy you know, you get
those guys on ig that that you know, Follow me
if you want real estate information, follow me if you
want these kind of life hacks, Like he is the
actual life hack. Like he's a ridiculous businessman and entrepreneur.
(36:21):
It's it's it's kind of the stuff of legend. He
owns a bunch of outback steakhouses too, Yeah, ninety businesses,
thirty four outback steakhouses, thirty seven Papa John's, and a
number of Lexus dealerships.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
All Right, Doug for better or worse? Yukon coach Jim
Calhoun or Dan Hurley. Oh the fact that this is
now even a topic, Yes, I think says enough.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Who Wow, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Jim Calhoun.
Speaker 7 (37:04):
All Right, Calhoun better than Hurley at this.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I don't want to say better, I mean just well,
it's better or worse. I got it. There's no worse,
They're both awesome. I'm gonna go with Calhoun.
Speaker 7 (37:15):
For better or worse Lakers, Miss Dan Hurley versus Coach K.
This may be a worse angle.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Uh, Coach K is a worse Miss. Not because he's
a worse coach. He's a more iconic figure, right and
supposedly is much the same thing, right, Like, you have
to go with Fu money if you want to get
a guy like that, and they missed H.
Speaker 7 (37:40):
Finally, Doug for better or worse? The current US Open
setup versus the old days, the olden days, if you will,
when it was thick rough that was knee high fair ways,
the size of the.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Potion step now is far, far worse. It was better
than it was the ultimate test of golf, and everybody
complained about it, but you know what, you knew what
you were getting. And Parr was good enough. That was better.
This is worse.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
I think I think Parr could come into play. But
the unfair nature of the old days actually was great.
And that's game time.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Game, This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Show, all right, coming next to the Doug Gotlief Show.
I'm gonna tell you my Jim Calhoun recruitment story and a
little broadcasting back and forth. Easier to broadcast NFL or NBA.
That's text and the Doug Gotlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio
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