September 25, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug previews the Thursday night matchup between the Cardinals and Seahawks. Doug welcomes College Football analyst Josh Pate onto the show to talk about the big games on the slate in college this week. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Dun Dun Dam. Okay, So this is a weird one
on a Thursday night, right cause if you were to say, hey,
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it Thursday night football standalone game, you're like, well, you know,
I mean, baseball's getting sort of exciting, exciting, but not
playoffs yet. So still football time, right, Because there are,
there's a portion of us. I think most of us
prefer obviously playoff baseball. It's regular season football, not on Sundays.
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But baseball does a good job of the most part
of avoiding that. But there's no real excuse for watching
anything else. I mean, I guess if you're I was
watching Mets Cubs last night, you know, maybe that's part
of it. There's some other games you can watch, but
standalone football is generally pretty awesome. Thursday night football obviously
on Amazon tonight, it's the Cardinals who are off to
a hot start, although if you watch them play, you're like,
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okay against the Seahawks, so you have a divisional matchup,
and of course the Seahawks are buyers team, not he
doesn't own the tea you gat him. That's where his
fandom goes. And I do think this is one in
which we are going to peer into and watch and
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we will make a huge mistake, but we're gonna do
it anyway, which is, we're gonna make a determination into
if Sam Darnold can play, or if Kyler Murray can play,
or what everything looks like with the Cardinals or with
the Seahawks based upon this one game, and it's a
Thursday night game, and as we all know, generally, especially
as the season goes on, the quality of play Thursday
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night is not usually great because the bodies aren't really
recovered from the week before, and you know, it doesn't
feel like you have as much time to invest in
game planning and scouting and all that other stuff for
whatever reason. I mean, I'm giving you reasons that quality
play not really great on Thursdays, But we're gonna I'm
not saying buyer, and I'm not saying and I don't
are there actually Arizona Cardinal fans that don't live in Arizona.
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I don't think the answer is yes. So these are
two teams that the Seahawks, who had the Twelfth Man,
had a huge following. Doesn't feel like that's a thing anymore,
as much of a thing as it used to be.
But it was definitely a thing. And that's only because
they were winning for you know, a good six seven
years there two super Bowls, one super Bowl win. But
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unless you sustain it, and sustained it at a high level,
it's hard to have those kind of national fan bases
the way that Steelers have, the way the Cowboys haven't.
I know, the Cowboys haven't won anything recently but the
three Super Bowls and then the success in the seventies.
But you look at tonight and it's like Arizona doesn't
really have fan base. Seattle does, but they're kind of
lukewarm on the whole idea of this rebuilding what they're doing.
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You have a former number one pick, former number three
pick in the draft, one has been on the same team,
and a Kyler Murray, but you know, most people think
he played too many video games for much of his
career and he's just okay. Darnald was seeing ghosts when
he was in with the Jets, lost his job in Carolina,
backup in Sarah Cisco lit it up in Minnesota, but
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the offensive coordinator in the skill position guys getting more
of the credit wasn't good at the end of the year.
And now all of a sudden he's in Seattle. He
comes off a game which they won, but part of
it was that the competition was inept. Again, I just
think that the takeaway from tonight's game is going to
be one point five to two x of what it
should be because these are two of the teams in
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the NFL that exist in every statistical column, but don't
really exist in our minds. I mean outside again, Buyer
is a Seahawks fan, so he watches every snap. I
don't know anybody who claims who claims to be an
Arizona Cardinal fan. Do you guys know anybody who's, like,
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you know what, he's an Arizona Cardinal fan. I'm not
saying they don't exist, but I'm saying they don't really exists.
It's like when we say, like, well, everybody's a I
know Cowboy fans, I know Raider fans, I know Ram fans,
I know Niner fans, I know Dolphin fans, Steeler fans,
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Giant fans. There's a lot of TV guys are Jets fans.
I don't know a single Airson a Cardinal fan.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
All those weird doug all those teams you mentioned have
won a Super Bowl, So maybe that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's possible. I mean, the Raiders haven't won a Super
Bowl a long long time, long, long, long long time.
No Chiefs fans. A couple of Texans fans, although they're
a newer franchise. Jase Duke, can you think of anybody
in your orbit and Jason, you've lived grown up, been
around southern California. It's the neighboring state. Do you know
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anyone who's an Arizona Cardinal fan?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Not one, Nope.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I don't think they actually like again in Arizona. There's
some people now it used to be a transient market.
It still is. COVID that this phoenix just exploded. It's
like twice the size. It's massive. So this is not
me crapping on the Cardinals. The Cardinals have been to
a Super Bowl. They were within one play, one great
drive from the Pittsburgh stears of winning a super Bowl.
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But there I've not like I would guess that in
terms of deer sold in the last twenty years, the
Cardinals would probably be last. What do you guys think, Like,
I'm I I'm not even googling it. It's just something
that crossed my mind. I will bet if I said
Sam Google, which I'm saying Sam Google, that you know
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teams and jersey sales or whatever. Have you ever run
into somebody who's like, who's your team? The Arizona Cardinals?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like what, I personally don't know a single Cardinals fan
And I'm not trying to be mean.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I just don't know. I'm not I'm not either. I'm
just like and and and again for for people who
are listing in whatever mark where all these markets all
over the country. I know I was reading one for folks.
We're in North Dakota, right, We're from North Dakota to Wichita,
several place in the East Coast, and obviously in Oklahoma.
We're here in Appleton in Wisconsin. W're all these different markets.
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Have you ever been walking down the street or you
ever been in a sports bar? You ever in a
sports bar and someon was like, hey, hey, hey, can
you tell the bartender to put on the Cardinals game?
That's my team, But they walk in with a Kyler
Murray jersey. I don't think it's amazing. And what we're
saying is this is the most popular sport in the country,
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but there are certain teams that get just zero love,
have zero attention because they don't have much of a
fan base. And I think the Cardinals are probably right
there in line with I mean, the Panthers had a
had a following. Not they they went to a Super Bowl,
but they also had Cam Newton who was exceedingly popular
they've had others, right, you have one of my favorite
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linebackers of all time. They have some you know, Steve
Smith became a TV personality. Obviously he's got some personal
stuff that he's gone through. But you know, Tampa, it
wasn't a lot, but Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
And there's a couple New Orleans people from New Orleans
obviously usually more college fall fans, but they love them Saints.
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I don't know anybody who's a Cardinals fan.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, go ahead, So I found her this Ranker article
that has found some celebrity fans of the Arizona Cardinals
I could share with you.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So we got a Frankie.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Muniz who grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona. That she was
from Malcolm in the Middle. Now he's a race car driver,
David Spade, who has a lot of connections the state
of Arizona. I think he went to Arizona State. He
is also a Cardinals fan. It says Gwen Stefani and
Blake Shelton are Cardinals fans, because I don't buy that.
Blake Shelton was a fan of the Cardinals and then
so she's married to him. Now and she's a fan county. Yeah,
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well you could you you could adopt a team in
the Southwest. But there's a couple of celebrities for you
that are so called Arizona Cardinals fans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Do we think that they actually own a jersey, that
they paint their face, that they tail gate outside, that
they do they watch the random game on the road
against Like you you know you're a fan when like
you're a fan of Iowa football, you watch every Iowa game. Like,
if we want to list you online as a fan
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of said team, then you have to You don't have
to watch every snap, but you got to check in
on their scores every week, fair, Like what's the what's
the cutoff?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
You have to know?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You have to know, Like if you're a fan of
a team, you got to know like what's going on
with like, yeah, who they lose to, who they win
or who they beat of. You know, you gotta be
up to speed on things you call yourself fan.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So my takeaway for tonight's game, Thursday Night Football, which
is on Amazon, a battle essentially for first place. NFC
West is one especially team that time that the world
doesn't pay attention to, but two quarterbacks who are interesting.
Ones had more consecutive successful seasons on some level than
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the other, but neither are believed to have been anywhere
near the potential that people thought they had when they
started their career. But we're going to make I believe,
we're going to make a statement of who they are
what they are more based upon tonight because nobody pays
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attention on a weekly basis. Dan, When I say nobody,
that doesn't include you, right, but you tell me it's fair.
Doesn't feel like there's the same twelfth band that there
used to be, and people pay a lot less attention
to the Seahawks than they used to.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Well, yeah, they were very popular during the Pete Carol
Russell Wilson era. However, at the end of the Peak
Carroll era, I think there was a lot of malaise
that came over the Seahawks fan base and even comments
that I saw on social media just stemming from this
past weekends win over the Saints that lumen Field felt
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like it did back in the heyday, or started to
feel that way because there was criticism with the Seahawks
fans in Week one with how many forty nine ers
fans were actually in the Stadium, So those things happened.
The list of teams that you guys said of the Packers, Steelers,
and Raiders, they do have supreme fan bases, and there's
something cool about being a Raiders fan. I'd be curious
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to see on how many new Raiders fans that there are.
But there's no doubt that the Seahawks at one point
were a hot ticket and aren't anymore. And the comparison
that I bring up is not what they did under
their two Super bowls with Pete Carroll, was when they
went to the Super Bowl against the Steelers with Mike
Comrid and Matt Hasselbeck. They weren't nearly as popular as
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they were under Pete Carroll and they were winning. Then
they went to a Super Bowl. Should have won that
Super Bowl that we all talked about. So there is
this new portion of fan or specifically with the Seahawks,
where teams become cool, and the Seahawks probably weren't cool
the last couple of years, and I think it's still
gonna take a while for them to be cool again,
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but at least locally in the Pacific Northwest, there seems
to be a renewed energy behind the Seahawks because of
what this team could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
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way of looking at that. They're trying to win back
kind of their own fan base and there is an
energy about it in the in the pack Northwest, just
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the Arizona Cardinals are just they're an interesting one, right
because they don't it was it was always always been
a home game for everybody. They were when everyone's accused
the Chargers of and rightfully so, right of being the
home game for the visiting team. It was usually the
Cowboy They used to be in the same division as
the Cowboys. When the Cowboys would come to town, that
was their big game of the year, right, that was
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their big game of the year. And I think, frankly,
that's one of the reasons they signed Emmitt Smith back
in the day, right just because that actually helped their
fan base more than anything, because everybody was a transplant.
They're just in this weird area of they're an NFL
team but not really covered like one.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I also think that it's a bigger problem in the
NFL than the league would want to to say it is.
Jason and I were at the game last week in Buffalo,
and there was not the problem. There wasn't this huge
contingent of Dolphin fans. Now, did we see Dolphin jerseys, Yes,
But there's also the thought process in some of these places,
specifically like Phoenix, where the viewing option is so good
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at home and maybe the cost of going to games
isn't worth it. But if your team is in town
for that one point that season, or for that one
point within a four year span, you're going to the games.
And I don't know how you fight that if you're
the National Football League. The other thing with tonight, with
I think it's way more about Kyler Murray than it
is about Sam Darnold. And I think that that's a
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conversation that we probably have been a year or two
removed from.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Why do you think so well?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I think that last week is a perfect example of
what happened with Marvin Harrison Junior against the forty nine
ers and the awful drop that he had the football.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What's em When did Marvin Harrison forget to catch football?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah? I don't know, and I think everybody's wondering the
same thing. And there was another play in the end
zone on a contested catch that he didn't come down
with that you were surprised. So there's something going on.
But also, the Seahawks front four is one of the
best in the NFL, and maybe at the end of
the year we're going to say that they're the best
in the NFL. We're not there yet, but Seattle's been
able to get pressure on quarterbacks with just their front four.
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So how do you handle this with Kyler Murray? And
one of the things about the Marvin Harrison drop that
he had in the game against the forty nine ers
was the football was unbelievably underthrown. It was not a
great pass, but we aren't talking about that. It's not
to move the blame off of Marvin Harrison Junior. But
to your point, Doug, in a standalone game, when last
week's Niners Cardinals game was completely covered up by Bears
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and Cowboys for most of the country. This is our
opportunity tonight to see what Kyler Murray can do. And
I think that's where the that's where tonight's verdict comes
out that tomorrow we're going to be talking about Kyler
Murray a good or bad when it comes to the
Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Okay, And my counterpoint would be, I think the same
thing of Sam Donald because outside of you, I don't
know anybody who's watched Sam Donald outside you know, red zone.
Couple here, couple there, and the assumption the last time
we saw Sam Donald was the playoffs and he struggled, right,
and it was the assumption was that the only reason
he was good in the Twin Cities was because of
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the surrounding cast and the coach, not because of Sam Donald. Right.
So now getting we it's our first chance on a national,
national level to see Sam Donald, you know, play on TV.
We will make the fair or unfair assessment of who
he is based upon how he plays. To night.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
He's been fine this year, but this is also a
home game, so I think there's more on your quarterback,
Like if you don't win this game, if the Seahawks
go on the Road and lose. They lost. I mean,
this is a jammed up division. Everybody's two and one
except the Niners who are three and oh. So yeah,
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I think there's more of the jury out on Kyler
Murray tonight than Donald. It's not to absolve Donald of
any responsibility, but I just think that Murray's more of
the conversation.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
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Speaker 1 (16:41):
Stug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So I think I
know why people don't like Russell Wilson. And when I
say people, I mean a lot of people, especially in sports.
And I think there was a time in which most fans,
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okay most people who aren't in the know, gravitated towards
Russell because he was drafted in the third round. The perception,
whether it's real or not, is that he was run
out of n C State and he went to Wisconsin
won a Rose Bowl. He was a a They didn't
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win the Rose Bull.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No, they lost the Oregon I believe it was the
Rose Bull with that team, I know it was.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They had an incredible running game and Russ was incredible.
But they lost to I think a Chip Kelly Oregon team,
right in a really good game.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, my bad, go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They lost three straight Rose Bulls.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I had that, but that was the one Rose bull
Like that was that backfield was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Monte Ball and didn't they have James White at the
same time. And then I remember they put like eighty
three points up on Indiana and just kept just plow plowed,
plowed fields for days.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Couldn't beat Organ. My bad anyway, if you look on
paper and you and you took snapshots of who he
was and things he said at times, like Russell Wilson
should be among the most popular NFL players ever. Right,
too small went to Wisconsin after leaving NC State because
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he wanted to play baseball, Right, and then he goes
to Wisconsin, they go to a Rose Bowl. Okay, they
didn't win the Rose Bowl, but comes into the NFL,
you know, and beats out Matt Flynn, takes the job
two Super Bowls, wins the Super Bowl even with the
interception in the loss to the Patriots. People don't put
the blame on Russell Wilson to this day, it's all
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about offensive coordinator, Repeat Carroll, and the narrative was, now, look,
some of the players the Seahawks will be like, well
you did that to help Russell Wilson, but no one is.
I've yet to hear anyone else that matters to me, right,
And opinions go, you know Blue that Super Bowl Russell
Wilson because that throw, that throw is low where you know,
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Malcolm Butler can't pick it off. Right, But regardless of it, Okay,
he is not. And I think a lot of it
is how it's ended these last Ford, the end of
the end of the Seahawks run, the two years in
Denver didn't work, the year in Pittsburgh didn't work, and
now it's not working with the New York Giants. I
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think again, I could be wrong. It's that he is
yet to show us that, like you're a human being,
a human being because when you're programmed, you go Broncos Country,
let's ride, or I'm unlimited. It just found it sounds
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feels cheesy, feels inorganic, and again, like we don't always
see through artificial things. Matter of fact, some things which
appear to be too good be true and really are.
People will have conspiracy theories about why they actually exist.
But I want you to listen to Russell Wilson. Remember
he essentially got demoted and he'll probably never be a
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team's number one again. He may start because maybe Jackson
Dart stinks or gets hurt or whatever. He may go
somewhere else next year and is a placeholder until a
first round draft pick place But the likelhood of him
being QB one for entire season is over. So when
asked about it, there's a way I would react. You
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would react if we're being honest. Here's Russell Wilson's reaction.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Now, I'm focused on helping this team. When you know
I'm focused on helping Jackson, I'm focused on me getting
ready to be the best version of me today on Wednesday,
and so you know I want to be here. You
know I love this organization. I love the process of
it all, love the guys in the locker room. I'm
not giving up on this on us in this season.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's great that you're not giving up. Okay, it's great
that you want to support Jackson, but I love everybody.
When you played three games two games ago, you had
an unbelievab football game. What he threw four hundred and
fifty yards right, whatever he did at the end again,
like he had an unbelievable game. They pull him a
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week later. A real human being says, I'm devastated. I just,
I just I don't know what happened. I understand, but
I'm personally devastated. Like I'm mentally and emotionally all in,
still all in, but this one hurts. He just can't
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do it. He just can't do it. He's so busy
being at Tony Robbins, you know, mental health help book.
He just can't let us in and be vulnerable. It's
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(21:54):
You see him on ESPN and on three Sports and
Yahoo's Sports and he lives in your head. Rent free,
just be honest with it. Big SEC Weekend we'll get
to in a second. But James Franklin, you know, going
back to his time in the SEC, granted it was
a Vanderbilt, but started to build up the reputation of
you can beat anybody, but ranked teams now You're at
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Penn State, very different calculus. Still struggle to beat ranked teams.
Oregon comes in, they've looked like world beaters. They didn't
play great, but beat north beat the Ella. Northwestern essentially
got my Gundy fired as well. Penn State has Drew Aller,
who you know, without doing much is is jumping up
draft forards.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
What do you think, Josh, that's a great way to
describe Drew Aller so far this year, buddy, he.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Hadn't done anything. They haven't done anything.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
No one in this matchup has played anyone. So you
know that thing that happened sometimes it happened. It happened
in the Illinois Indiana game last week, where you have
a point spread underdog, and yet the entire country is
betting the underdog to win outright. That did not fare
well for people back in Illinois last week.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Everyone's on Oregon.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Man.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
I did a poll on Twitter the other day.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
I had like fifteen thousand votes, So that's really scientific.
Like seventy five percent of people took Oregon to win outright.
They're a three and a half point dog. So my
thinking on this is, what's the reason. Let's not just
talk about what Penn State and James Franklin haven't done
That's very obvious.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Four and twenty.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Against ranked teams or top ten teams or whatever like,
why haven't they been able to win? Well, the answer
is they've never been dynamic at receiver.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
They have not been able to push the ball down
the field. All right.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
So then we arrive in spring, they go to the portal,
they get some difference makers there. I go there and
watch them in fall camp when they're.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Going good on good, they look great.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
They're winning fifty to fifty balls, they're pushing the ball
down the field. Then we arrived first three weeks of
the season, they play inferior opponents.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
They've done nothing.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
They're passing games, anemic accuracies, all for Holur. So we
got one of two things in play here, and I'm
going to take Penn State because I think it's the latter.
But it's either that just really is who they are,
or they've bobbled stuff up and they're going to give
a lot of looks to Oregon that we haven't really
seen so far this year. I just doug its classic
situation of one team wants to win it. It'd be
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really great for orgon to win this. Everything about Penn
State's identity this year is riding on winning this game.
They can go to Columbus and lose, that's okay. They
cannot sit here at home, revamped roster by week to
prep for it. Oregon young teams, flying cross country, new
quarterback and still lose.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
That cannot happen.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
So somehow, some way, I think dust settles Saturday night
and they sort of do the whole bear crawl over
broken glass to a win thing.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Hmmm, that should be fascinating. Okay, let's do Bama Georgia
same thing. George doesn't lose at home. Everybody think, you know,
people were selling every bit of Bama stock after losing
to Florida State. What if Florida State's actually good? And
what if Bama's starting to figure it out? Can Bama
go down to Athens and get a win?
Speaker 8 (24:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Well, I mean, so let's just go to what what
if all of what you said there is true? What
if florida'say is really good? What if Bama has gotten
their act together. They just had a little wobbly tire
on the car early in the season. They pulled over,
they tighten the lug, nuts, they're good. All that can
be true and then still lose here.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
George is very good. Do you realize they have not
lost their home game since before COVID.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
It was Will muss Champ in South Carolina in a
three and nine season, no less, by the way for
South Carolina that beat them at home last So my
stance on this is kind of like when I talk
to you about the Georgia Tennessee game. I could paint
you a pass for Tennessee to win that game, just
like I could paint you a really clear path for
not only Bama to win here but dominate. There is
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a world if Ty Simpson has given time to throw,
if that O line stands up against frankly a Georgia
front that hasn't produced a lot of pressure so far
this year, they will rip Georgia secondary.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
George is very vulnerable.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
This is not a ventage Georgia's secondary. Bama has got
thoroughbreds in that.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Wide receiver room.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
So if that's the case, it's a Bama knight and
they'll quiet that crowd. I am going to have to
see that to believe it.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
They are penalty ridden on the road. They are a
different team.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
On the road under the bors so far aside from
the LSU game last year. So if I'm going to
be proven wrong, sir, I'm going to be proven wrong
by Georgia doing something at home they hadn't done since
twenty eighteen. I'm going to be proven wrong by Vama
doing something it's uncharacteristic to their road nature. And if
it happens, it happens. I just got to see it
to believe it.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
All right. I happen to be on TikTok saw your
real right, and you talked about Auburn's lack of explosive
plays and how everything is dinking dunk around the line
of scrimmage and Jack Snarl's more of a runner than
a thrower. That said, you know, a trick play, which
is an illegal play, and then a couple of other
(26:41):
questionable calls going against them. They lose a heartbreaker to Oaklhoman.
Now they get to go to A and M, and
A and M's on the opposite side, you know, with
a call that goes their way in order to beat
Notre Dame. We do have a history there though, of
A and M losing big home games.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Is this one of them?
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (27:01):
So I got a head heart conflict here.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
My head is just telling me, don't overthink the room.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Man like Auburn, just because they lost the game doesn't
mean they automatically bounce back. This is a very cruel sport,
and A and M is rested. This is a double
road stretch for Auburn. That's why that Oklahoma game was
so critical. But if you lose it, you got to
go right back on the road against a rested team
and a very tough environment. All right, that's what my
(27:27):
head says. My heart says, my heart's where all of
the logic is, and my body it's inverted. My heart says.
You know, your entire life, you've watched teams lose, especially
ones who can run the ball like Auburn. Can they
lose and then they're in wounded animal mode, total desperation mode,
and you find yourself watching them defying conventional wisdom, and
(27:50):
they just win a tough game the next week. And
it's tough to kill these teams. It's trying to like
nail a jello to the wall sometimes to really get them.
Here's what I wonder, I really wonder if that explosivity
we saw out of that a and M passing game
is just here to stay because it was against Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Is it just here to stay?
Speaker 7 (28:11):
If it is, and you're making Auburn trade points with
you to keep up Jackson Arnold's not going to do that,
and they'll end up turning the ball over and it
will be A and M's day. I think if Auburn
wins this game, that box scores really crooked. It's like
seventeen passes fifty two runs. It's way way warped. That
is Auburn's game. That's their path here. It's the game
(28:32):
I'm most conflicted on.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I picked A and M.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
I'm very, very conflicted on it.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
There's absolutely nothing in that game that would shock me
either way.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay, sc Illinois Illinois gets stomped last week at Indiana.
I don't I help me explain this one to me?
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
They beat Duke West Illinois Western Michigan. He beat sixty
three to ten. Granted on the road. I don't really
know why Illinois is still ranked A. Then we just couldn't,
like veguess, you couldn't find twenty five teams to rank.
It was that bigger question. Is sc fresh off a
road win against Purdue. They're a six and a half
point favorite, so not a touchdown favorite, but almost at Illinois.
(29:13):
Who do you like that one?
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Doesn't look like it makes a whole lot of sense,
does it, Especially if you stayed up late and you
watched Southern cal Car of Michigan State up last week
and then most people had already seen what Indiana did. Man,
they splattered Illinois.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
I'm going to this game.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
By the way, I've never been to an Illinois game.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I have got to do what I did with A
and m Auvern. I got to see it to believe
it. It may be the most.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Square side in the world. I don't know how you
don't lay the points with USC here. I also think
I think I talked to you about this a couple
of weeks ago too. If you start to watch USC
Nohen Lincoln had Caleb Williams a couple of years ago,
you're thinking, Man, Caleb Williams, supreme talent.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Top overall draft pick, blah blah blah.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
I am telling you I feel even stronger about it
two weeks later. I think he's got a better quarterback
for his system right now, Jad and Mayava. I don't
want to compare talent profiles. I just want to talk
about the job of a quarterback within a system. Jade
and Miyava is a stud man, and you look at
the smiles.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
On that coaching staff's faces.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
That dude's playing within that system better than Caleb Williams
ever played within Lincoln Riley's system. And you can coach that.
I mean, just talking from a coach's perspective. If you've
got a guy who's got adequate to really high level skill,
which Mayava does, and he's doing what you ask him
to do, but he's also got that improvisation, he's got
that X factor, that intangible stuff you can't coach, ability
(30:34):
to make you look like a genius three or four
times a game. And he's ascending like he's just now
really figuring it out. They're a very dangerous team. They've
got stud wide receivers. They lost Branch that is Georgea's
number one receiver right now, and.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
They still got two studs out there. So I know.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
It's desperation time for Illinois.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
I know all that.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
I'm going to the game for that reason, but man,
it's going to take a fight to stay in that
game with USC You're going to the game, I'm going
up there and then I'm going down to Athens later
that night. How can you just go to one game
on a Saturday like this?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I mean, I don't know if that sounds like a
PJ deal. If you need somebody to hopping in the
PJ and fill it up, you let me know. LSU
ole Miss, this is this would be a pretty good
pregame battle right, pregame at the Grove, pregame at LSU
under Lights afternoon game in Oxford. Reb's a point a
half favorite.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Yeah that my went cross zero earlier this week. Honestly,
I think I think ole Miss is going to take
this game. I'm concerned about LSU. They're undefeated, and a
lot of times when teams are undefeated, people are just
blatantly ignoring warning signs. They have warning signs all over
the place right now. But they're really good defense, so
it's masked them. But once again, they're not running the
(31:49):
ball like they should. Once again, they're in the what
I think upper thirties to upper twenties, low thirties passing
and in the hundreds rushing, And it's just inexplicable that
you could never be able to run the ball at LSU,
but they can't. I don't like the offensive staff versus
defensive staff.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Match up here for LSU at all.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Now one of the best matchups all weekend will be
Kissing versus Blake Baker. That's phenomenal, that's pay per view
quality stuff. But I'm telling you they have not faced
a team. LSU has not faced a team yet that could.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Force them to trade points.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
Clemson didn't credit to LSU. Florida didn't they turn them
over five times?
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Credit to LSU.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
This team right here, you're not holding under twenty, I
don't think. And so this is where nuss Meyer.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
Has to make some plays.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
He's had an abdominal issue all year. It has not
cost them yet, But I don't know if they're putt
in a position where they need thirty or they need
thirty four to win this game if it's there without
taking the kind of risk that forces turnovers. So I
think Ole Miss wins this game. And afterwards we're asking
a lot of questions about LSU. We already should have
been asking.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Josh you're the best man. By the way, you can
go check out Josh Pate. Okay, the Josh Pak College
Football Show. You see him on ESPN, on three Sports,
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(33:18):
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get over it.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Thanks Josh, I appreciate it. Brother.
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Speaker 4 (34:14):
All right, Doug, the game on this Thursday is.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Doug. You will have the first overall pick in this
draft of the teams that you would like to see
when the World Series. Now, the playoff field isn't necessarily set,
so we get a few more options than if we
did this, say next week, but teams you would like
to see when the World Series that are still eligible
for this season.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
The Milwaukee Brewers been the best team in the National League.
Unbelievable story of a team trying to do it kind
of a different way in terms of the makeup of
the roster and the overall salaries. Plus they have a
possibility of matching up with the Cubs in the Postseason're
not only a rival sort of right, it's new rival
him in the same division forever. But you also have
(35:02):
Craig Counsel who left the Brewers for the Cubs because
the Cubs have more resources. I think the Milwaukee Brewers
are the easy pick here.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
All right, samuelll pick second, I go third, Then Jason
is the fourth pick. We'll take a time out and
then we'll reverse it in that order, Sam, you're up
at number two.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, last year I was a big apple, Sam, you know,
looking at us, enjoying the Mets run and then eventually
the Dodgers beat them. But this year, Philly Chies sake, Sam,
give me the Phillies. Give me the philadeph Phillies. Kyle Schwarber,
the schwar Bombs. He's had a great year.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Give me the Phils. I'm gonna go with the team.
Everybody's starting to fall in love with the Mariners. Boy,
that would be something for everybody up in the Pacific Northwest.
Cal Rawley, I know you're gonna have a discussion about
him coming up, Doug, but give me the Mariners at
number three.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You guys, let my team fall to four. And though
I would like to see the Dodgers lose so that
the team can maybe contemplate the future of Andrew Friedman,
I do you think that we need to win one
for Kershaw as he's playing, So I'll go with the Dodgers.
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Speaker 3 (36:18):
I'm gonna go with the Chicago Cups with my fifth pick.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Wow, how about this, I'll take the Reds. They're not
in it right now yet. Boy, what would that be
like for Sincida?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Be crazy, big red Machine. I mean, I'm next, Sam
is next.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Doug, you'll have the last pick of this draft. All right.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
If it's not the Phills, then let's go back to
being big Apple.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Give me the Mets.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Give me the Mets, the rival of the Phillies.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
All right, Doug, wrap up this draft.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yankees.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Oh you'd like to see the Yankees win?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, just because again a lot like the Dodgers winning
it last year. It may not feel good to a
lot of people because the money they spent, but more
people will pay attention if the Yankees and the Dodgers
are in it. And I think baseball is actually he's
become a great watch way more watchable these last four
or five years than it was the previous fifteen years.
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Dun Dun Dam. Okay, So this is a weird one
on a Thursday night, right cause if you were to say, hey,
(01:07):
it Thursday night football standalone game, you're like, well, you know,
I mean, baseball's getting sort of exciting, exciting, but not
playoffs yet. So still football time, right, Because there are,
there's a portion of us. I think most of us
prefer obviously playoff baseball. It's regular season football, not on Sundays.
(01:27):
But baseball does a good job of the most part
of avoiding that. But there's no real excuse for watching
anything else. I mean, I guess if you're I was
watching Mets Cubs last night, you know, maybe that's part
of it. There's some other games you can watch, but
standalone football is generally pretty awesome. Thursday night football obviously
on Amazon tonight, it's the Cardinals who are off to
a hot start, although if you watch them play, you're like,
(01:49):
okay against the Seahawks, so you have a divisional matchup,
and of course the Seahawks are buyers team, not he
doesn't own the tea you gat him. That's where his
fandom goes. And I do think this is one in
which we are going to peer into and watch and
(02:11):
we will make a huge mistake, but we're gonna do
it anyway, which is, we're gonna make a determination into
if Sam Darnold can play, or if Kyler Murray can play,
or what everything looks like with the Cardinals or with
the Seahawks based upon this one game, and it's a
Thursday night game, and as we all know, generally, especially
as the season goes on, the quality of play Thursday
(02:33):
night is not usually great because the bodies aren't really
recovered from the week before, and you know, it doesn't
feel like you have as much time to invest in
game planning and scouting and all that other stuff for
whatever reason. I mean, I'm giving you reasons that quality
play not really great on Thursdays, But we're gonna I'm
not saying buyer, and I'm not saying and I don't
are there actually Arizona Cardinal fans that don't live in Arizona.
(02:56):
I don't think the answer is yes. So these are
two teams that the Seahawks, who had the Twelfth Man,
had a huge following. Doesn't feel like that's a thing anymore,
as much of a thing as it used to be.
But it was definitely a thing. And that's only because
they were winning for you know, a good six seven
years there two super Bowls, one super Bowl win. But
(03:17):
unless you sustain it, and sustained it at a high level,
it's hard to have those kind of national fan bases
the way that Steelers have, the way the Cowboys haven't.
I know, the Cowboys haven't won anything recently but the
three Super Bowls and then the success in the seventies.
But you look at tonight and it's like Arizona doesn't
really have fan base. Seattle does, but they're kind of
lukewarm on the whole idea of this rebuilding what they're doing.
(03:40):
You have a former number one pick, former number three
pick in the draft, one has been on the same team,
and a Kyler Murray, but you know, most people think
he played too many video games for much of his
career and he's just okay. Darnald was seeing ghosts when
he was in with the Jets, lost his job in Carolina,
backup in Sarah Cisco lit it up in Minnesota, but
(04:02):
the offensive coordinator in the skill position guys getting more
of the credit wasn't good at the end of the year.
And now all of a sudden he's in Seattle. He
comes off a game which they won, but part of
it was that the competition was inept. Again, I just
think that the takeaway from tonight's game is going to
be one point five to two x of what it
should be because these are two of the teams in
(04:24):
the NFL that exist in every statistical column, but don't
really exist in our minds. I mean outside again, Buyer
is a Seahawks fan, so he watches every snap. I
don't know anybody who claims who claims to be an
Arizona Cardinal fan. Do you guys know anybody who's, like,
(04:46):
you know what, he's an Arizona Cardinal fan. I'm not
saying they don't exist, but I'm saying they don't really exists.
It's like when we say, like, well, everybody's a I
know Cowboy fans, I know Raider fans, I know Ram fans,
I know Niner fans, I know Dolphin fans, Steeler fans,
(05:08):
Giant fans. There's a lot of TV guys are Jets fans.
I don't know a single Airson a Cardinal fan.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
All those weird doug all those teams you mentioned have
won a Super Bowl, So maybe that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's possible. I mean, the Raiders haven't won a Super
Bowl a long long time, long, long, long long time.
No Chiefs fans. A couple of Texans fans, although they're
a newer franchise. Jase Duke, can you think of anybody
in your orbit and Jason, you've lived grown up, been
around southern California. It's the neighboring state. Do you know
(05:45):
anyone who's an Arizona Cardinal fan?
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Not one, Nope.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I don't think they actually like again in Arizona. There's
some people now it used to be a transient market.
It still is. COVID that this phoenix just exploded. It's
like twice the size. It's massive. So this is not
me crapping on the Cardinals. The Cardinals have been to
a Super Bowl. They were within one play, one great
drive from the Pittsburgh stears of winning a super Bowl.
(06:13):
But there I've not like I would guess that in
terms of deer sold in the last twenty years, the
Cardinals would probably be last. What do you guys think, Like,
I'm I I'm not even googling it. It's just something
that crossed my mind. I will bet if I said
Sam Google, which I'm saying Sam Google, that you know
(06:37):
teams and jersey sales or whatever. Have you ever run
into somebody who's like, who's your team? The Arizona Cardinals?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Like what, I personally don't know a single Cardinals fan
And I'm not trying to be mean.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
I just don't know. I'm not I'm not either. I'm
just like and and and again for for people who
are listing in whatever mark where all these markets all
over the country. I know I was reading one for folks.
We're in North Dakota, right, We're from North Dakota to Wichita,
several place in the East Coast, and obviously in Oklahoma.
We're here in Appleton in Wisconsin. W're all these different markets.
(07:15):
Have you ever been walking down the street or you
ever been in a sports bar? You ever in a
sports bar and someon was like, hey, hey, hey, can
you tell the bartender to put on the Cardinals game?
That's my team, But they walk in with a Kyler
Murray jersey. I don't think it's amazing. And what we're
saying is this is the most popular sport in the country,
(07:36):
but there are certain teams that get just zero love,
have zero attention because they don't have much of a
fan base. And I think the Cardinals are probably right
there in line with I mean, the Panthers had a
had a following. Not they they went to a Super Bowl,
but they also had Cam Newton who was exceedingly popular
they've had others, right, you have one of my favorite
(07:57):
linebackers of all time. They have some you know, Steve
Smith became a TV personality. Obviously he's got some personal
stuff that he's gone through. But you know, Tampa, it
wasn't a lot, but Tom Brady won a Super Bowl.
And there's a couple New Orleans people from New Orleans
obviously usually more college fall fans, but they love them Saints.
(08:19):
I don't know anybody who's a Cardinals fan.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, go ahead, So I found her this Ranker article
that has found some celebrity fans of the Arizona Cardinals
I could share with you.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Go ahead.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So we got a Frankie.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Muniz who grew up in Scottsdale, Arizona. That she was
from Malcolm in the Middle. Now he's a race car driver,
David Spade, who has a lot of connections the state
of Arizona. I think he went to Arizona State. He
is also a Cardinals fan. It says Gwen Stefani and
Blake Shelton are Cardinals fans, because I don't buy that.
Blake Shelton was a fan of the Cardinals and then
so she's married to him. Now and she's a fan county. Yeah,
(08:54):
well you could you you could adopt a team in
the Southwest. But there's a couple of celebrities for you
that are so called Arizona Cardinals fans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Do we think that they actually own a jersey, that
they paint their face, that they tail gate outside, that
they do they watch the random game on the road
against Like you you know you're a fan when like
you're a fan of Iowa football, you watch every Iowa game. Like,
if we want to list you online as a fan
(09:22):
of said team, then you have to You don't have
to watch every snap, but you got to check in
on their scores every week, fair, Like what's the what's
the cutoff?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
You have to know?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You have to know, Like if you're a fan of
a team, you got to know like what's going on
with like, yeah, who they lose to, who they win
or who they beat of. You know, you gotta be
up to speed on things you call yourself fan.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
So my takeaway for tonight's game, Thursday Night Football, which
is on Amazon, a battle essentially for first place. NFC
West is one especially team that time that the world
doesn't pay attention to, but two quarterbacks who are interesting.
Ones had more consecutive successful seasons on some level than
(10:07):
the other, but neither are believed to have been anywhere
near the potential that people thought they had when they
started their career. But we're going to make I believe,
we're going to make a statement of who they are
what they are more based upon tonight because nobody pays
(10:28):
attention on a weekly basis. Dan, When I say nobody,
that doesn't include you, right, but you tell me it's fair.
Doesn't feel like there's the same twelfth band that there
used to be, and people pay a lot less attention
to the Seahawks than they used to.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Well, yeah, they were very popular during the Pete Carol
Russell Wilson era. However, at the end of the Peak
Carroll era, I think there was a lot of malaise
that came over the Seahawks fan base and even comments
that I saw on social media just stemming from this
past weekends win over the Saints that lumen Field felt
(11:06):
like it did back in the heyday, or started to
feel that way because there was criticism with the Seahawks
fans in Week one with how many forty nine ers
fans were actually in the Stadium, So those things happened.
The list of teams that you guys said of the Packers, Steelers,
and Raiders, they do have supreme fan bases, and there's
something cool about being a Raiders fan. I'd be curious
(11:28):
to see on how many new Raiders fans that there are.
But there's no doubt that the Seahawks at one point
were a hot ticket and aren't anymore. And the comparison
that I bring up is not what they did under
their two Super bowls with Pete Carroll, was when they
went to the Super Bowl against the Steelers with Mike
Comrid and Matt Hasselbeck. They weren't nearly as popular as
(11:49):
they were under Pete Carroll and they were winning. Then
they went to a Super Bowl. Should have won that
Super Bowl that we all talked about. So there is
this new portion of fan or specifically with the Seahawks,
where teams become cool, and the Seahawks probably weren't cool
the last couple of years, and I think it's still
gonna take a while for them to be cool again,
(12:10):
but at least locally in the Pacific Northwest, there seems
to be a renewed energy behind the Seahawks because of
what this team could possibly be.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
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way of looking at that. They're trying to win back
kind of their own fan base and there is an
energy about it in the in the pack Northwest, just
(12:41):
the Arizona Cardinals are just they're an interesting one, right
because they don't it was it was always always been
a home game for everybody. They were when everyone's accused
the Chargers of and rightfully so, right of being the
home game for the visiting team. It was usually the
Cowboy They used to be in the same division as
the Cowboys. When the Cowboys would come to town, that
was their big game of the year, right, that was
(13:04):
their big game of the year. And I think, frankly,
that's one of the reasons they signed Emmitt Smith back
in the day, right just because that actually helped their
fan base more than anything, because everybody was a transplant.
They're just in this weird area of they're an NFL
team but not really covered like one.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
I also think that it's a bigger problem in the
NFL than the league would want to to say it is.
Jason and I were at the game last week in Buffalo,
and there was not the problem. There wasn't this huge
contingent of Dolphin fans. Now, did we see Dolphin jerseys, Yes,
But there's also the thought process in some of these places,
specifically like Phoenix, where the viewing option is so good
(13:41):
at home and maybe the cost of going to games
isn't worth it. But if your team is in town
for that one point that season, or for that one
point within a four year span, you're going to the games.
And I don't know how you fight that if you're
the National Football League. The other thing with tonight, with
I think it's way more about Kyler Murray than it
is about Sam Darnold. And I think that that's a
(14:03):
conversation that we probably have been a year or two
removed from.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Why do you think so well?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I think that last week is a perfect example of
what happened with Marvin Harrison Junior against the forty nine
ers and the awful drop that he had the football.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
What's em When did Marvin Harrison forget to catch football?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah? I don't know, and I think everybody's wondering the
same thing. And there was another play in the end
zone on a contested catch that he didn't come down
with that you were surprised. So there's something going on.
But also, the Seahawks front four is one of the
best in the NFL, and maybe at the end of
the year we're going to say that they're the best
in the NFL. We're not there yet, but Seattle's been
able to get pressure on quarterbacks with just their front four.
(14:44):
So how do you handle this with Kyler Murray? And
one of the things about the Marvin Harrison drop that
he had in the game against the forty nine ers
was the football was unbelievably underthrown. It was not a
great pass, but we aren't talking about that. It's not
to move the blame off of Marvin Harrison Junior. But
to your point, Doug, in a standalone game, when last
week's Niners Cardinals game was completely covered up by Bears
(15:06):
and Cowboys for most of the country. This is our
opportunity tonight to see what Kyler Murray can do. And
I think that's where the that's where tonight's verdict comes
out that tomorrow we're going to be talking about Kyler
Murray a good or bad when it comes to the
Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Okay, And my counterpoint would be, I think the same
thing of Sam Donald because outside of you, I don't
know anybody who's watched Sam Donald outside you know, red zone.
Couple here, couple there, and the assumption the last time
we saw Sam Donald was the playoffs and he struggled, right,
and it was the assumption was that the only reason
he was good in the Twin Cities was because of
(15:42):
the surrounding cast and the coach, not because of Sam Donald. Right.
So now getting we it's our first chance on a national,
national level to see Sam Donald, you know, play on TV.
We will make the fair or unfair assessment of who
he is based upon how he plays. To night.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
He's been fine this year, but this is also a
home game, so I think there's more on your quarterback,
Like if you don't win this game, if the Seahawks
go on the Road and lose. They lost. I mean,
this is a jammed up division. Everybody's two and one
except the Niners who are three and oh. So yeah,
(16:21):
I think there's more of the jury out on Kyler
Murray tonight than Donald. It's not to absolve Donald of
any responsibility, but I just think that Murray's more of
the conversation.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
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Speaker 1 (16:41):
Stug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So I think I
know why people don't like Russell Wilson. And when I
say people, I mean a lot of people, especially in sports.
And I think there was a time in which most fans,
(17:01):
okay most people who aren't in the know, gravitated towards
Russell because he was drafted in the third round. The perception,
whether it's real or not, is that he was run
out of n C State and he went to Wisconsin
won a Rose Bowl. He was a a They didn't
(17:24):
win the Rose Bull.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No, they lost the Oregon I believe it was the
Rose Bull with that team, I know it was.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
They had an incredible running game and Russ was incredible.
But they lost to I think a Chip Kelly Oregon team,
right in a really good game.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah, my bad, go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They lost three straight Rose Bulls.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I had that, but that was the one Rose bull
Like that was that backfield was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Monte Ball and didn't they have James White at the
same time. And then I remember they put like eighty
three points up on Indiana and just kept just plow plowed,
plowed fields for days.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Couldn't beat Organ. My bad anyway, if you look on
paper and you and you took snapshots of who he
was and things he said at times, like Russell Wilson
should be among the most popular NFL players ever. Right,
too small went to Wisconsin after leaving NC State because
(18:24):
he wanted to play baseball, Right, and then he goes
to Wisconsin, they go to a Rose Bowl. Okay, they
didn't win the Rose Bowl, but comes into the NFL,
you know, and beats out Matt Flynn, takes the job
two Super Bowls, wins the Super Bowl even with the
interception in the loss to the Patriots. People don't put
the blame on Russell Wilson to this day, it's all
(18:47):
about offensive coordinator, Repeat Carroll, and the narrative was, now, look,
some of the players the Seahawks will be like, well
you did that to help Russell Wilson, but no one is.
I've yet to hear anyone else that matters to me, right,
And opinions go, you know Blue that Super Bowl Russell
Wilson because that throw, that throw is low where you know,
(19:08):
Malcolm Butler can't pick it off. Right, But regardless of it, Okay,
he is not. And I think a lot of it
is how it's ended these last Ford, the end of
the end of the Seahawks run, the two years in
Denver didn't work, the year in Pittsburgh didn't work, and
now it's not working with the New York Giants. I
(19:29):
think again, I could be wrong. It's that he is
yet to show us that, like you're a human being,
a human being because when you're programmed, you go Broncos Country,
let's ride, or I'm unlimited. It just found it sounds
(19:49):
feels cheesy, feels inorganic, and again, like we don't always
see through artificial things. Matter of fact, some things which
appear to be too good be true and really are.
People will have conspiracy theories about why they actually exist.
But I want you to listen to Russell Wilson. Remember
he essentially got demoted and he'll probably never be a
(20:11):
team's number one again. He may start because maybe Jackson
Dart stinks or gets hurt or whatever. He may go
somewhere else next year and is a placeholder until a
first round draft pick place But the likelhood of him
being QB one for entire season is over. So when
asked about it, there's a way I would react. You
(20:31):
would react if we're being honest. Here's Russell Wilson's reaction.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Now, I'm focused on helping this team. When you know
I'm focused on helping Jackson, I'm focused on me getting
ready to be the best version of me today on Wednesday,
and so you know I want to be here. You
know I love this organization. I love the process of
it all, love the guys in the locker room. I'm
not giving up on this on us in this season.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
It's great that you're not giving up. Okay, it's great
that you want to support Jackson, but I love everybody.
When you played three games two games ago, you had
an unbelievab football game. What he threw four hundred and
fifty yards right, whatever he did at the end again,
like he had an unbelievable game. They pull him a
(21:12):
week later. A real human being says, I'm devastated. I just,
I just I don't know what happened. I understand, but
I'm personally devastated. Like I'm mentally and emotionally all in,
still all in, but this one hurts. He just can't
(21:33):
do it. He just can't do it. He's so busy
being at Tony Robbins, you know, mental health help book.
He just can't let us in and be vulnerable. It's
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You
want to talk college football, then you got to go
get to Josh Pate, coach, the Josh Pate College Football Show.
(21:54):
You see him on ESPN and on three Sports and
Yahoo's Sports and he lives in your head. Rent free,
just be honest with it. Big SEC Weekend we'll get
to in a second. But James Franklin, you know, going
back to his time in the SEC, granted it was
a Vanderbilt, but started to build up the reputation of
you can beat anybody, but ranked teams now You're at
(22:14):
Penn State, very different calculus. Still struggle to beat ranked teams.
Oregon comes in, they've looked like world beaters. They didn't
play great, but beat north beat the Ella. Northwestern essentially
got my Gundy fired as well. Penn State has Drew Aller,
who you know, without doing much is is jumping up
draft forards.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
What do you think, Josh, that's a great way to
describe Drew Aller so far this year, buddy, he.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Hadn't done anything. They haven't done anything.
Speaker 7 (22:42):
No one in this matchup has played anyone. So you
know that thing that happened sometimes it happened. It happened
in the Illinois Indiana game last week, where you have
a point spread underdog, and yet the entire country is
betting the underdog to win outright. That did not fare
well for people back in Illinois last week.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Everyone's on Oregon.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Man.
Speaker 8 (23:02):
I did a poll on Twitter the other day.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
I had like fifteen thousand votes, So that's really scientific.
Like seventy five percent of people took Oregon to win outright.
They're a three and a half point dog. So my
thinking on this is, what's the reason. Let's not just
talk about what Penn State and James Franklin haven't done
That's very obvious.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Four and twenty.
Speaker 7 (23:20):
Against ranked teams or top ten teams or whatever like,
why haven't they been able to win? Well, the answer
is they've never been dynamic at receiver.
Speaker 8 (23:28):
They have not been able to push the ball down
the field. All right.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
So then we arrive in spring, they go to the portal,
they get some difference makers there. I go there and
watch them in fall camp when they're.
Speaker 8 (23:38):
Going good on good, they look great.
Speaker 7 (23:40):
They're winning fifty to fifty balls, they're pushing the ball
down the field. Then we arrived first three weeks of
the season, they play inferior opponents.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
They've done nothing.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
They're passing games, anemic accuracies, all for Holur. So we
got one of two things in play here, and I'm
going to take Penn State because I think it's the latter.
But it's either that just really is who they are,
or they've bobbled stuff up and they're going to give
a lot of looks to Oregon that we haven't really
seen so far this year. I just doug its classic
situation of one team wants to win it. It'd be
(24:10):
really great for orgon to win this. Everything about Penn
State's identity this year is riding on winning this game.
They can go to Columbus and lose, that's okay. They
cannot sit here at home, revamped roster by week to
prep for it. Oregon young teams, flying cross country, new
quarterback and still lose.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
That cannot happen.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
So somehow, some way, I think dust settles Saturday night
and they sort of do the whole bear crawl over
broken glass to a win thing.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Hmmm, that should be fascinating. Okay, let's do Bama Georgia
same thing. George doesn't lose at home. Everybody think, you know,
people were selling every bit of Bama stock after losing
to Florida State. What if Florida State's actually good? And
what if Bama's starting to figure it out? Can Bama
go down to Athens and get a win?
Speaker 8 (24:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (24:54):
Well, I mean, so let's just go to what what
if all of what you said there is true? What
if florida'say is really good? What if Bama has gotten
their act together. They just had a little wobbly tire
on the car early in the season. They pulled over,
they tighten the lug, nuts, they're good. All that can
be true and then still lose here.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
George is very good. Do you realize they have not
lost their home game since before COVID.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
It was Will muss Champ in South Carolina in a
three and nine season, no less, by the way for
South Carolina that beat them at home last So my
stance on this is kind of like when I talk
to you about the Georgia Tennessee game. I could paint
you a pass for Tennessee to win that game, just
like I could paint you a really clear path for
not only Bama to win here but dominate. There is
(25:35):
a world if Ty Simpson has given time to throw,
if that O line stands up against frankly a Georgia
front that hasn't produced a lot of pressure so far
this year, they will rip Georgia secondary.
Speaker 8 (25:46):
George is very vulnerable.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
This is not a ventage Georgia's secondary. Bama has got
thoroughbreds in that.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Wide receiver room.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
So if that's the case, it's a Bama knight and
they'll quiet that crowd. I am going to have to
see that to believe it.
Speaker 8 (25:59):
They are penalty ridden on the road. They are a
different team.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
On the road under the bors so far aside from
the LSU game last year. So if I'm going to
be proven wrong, sir, I'm going to be proven wrong
by Georgia doing something at home they hadn't done since
twenty eighteen. I'm going to be proven wrong by Vama
doing something it's uncharacteristic to their road nature. And if
it happens, it happens. I just got to see it
to believe it.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
All right. I happen to be on TikTok saw your
real right, and you talked about Auburn's lack of explosive
plays and how everything is dinking dunk around the line
of scrimmage and Jack Snarl's more of a runner than
a thrower. That said, you know, a trick play, which
is an illegal play, and then a couple of other
(26:41):
questionable calls going against them. They lose a heartbreaker to Oaklhoman.
Now they get to go to A and M, and
A and M's on the opposite side, you know, with
a call that goes their way in order to beat
Notre Dame. We do have a history there though, of
A and M losing big home games.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Is this one of them?
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (27:01):
So I got a head heart conflict here.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
My head is just telling me, don't overthink the room.
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Man like Auburn, just because they lost the game doesn't
mean they automatically bounce back. This is a very cruel sport,
and A and M is rested. This is a double
road stretch for Auburn. That's why that Oklahoma game was
so critical. But if you lose it, you got to
go right back on the road against a rested team
and a very tough environment. All right, that's what my
(27:27):
head says. My heart says, my heart's where all of
the logic is, and my body it's inverted. My heart says.
You know, your entire life, you've watched teams lose, especially
ones who can run the ball like Auburn. Can they
lose and then they're in wounded animal mode, total desperation mode,
and you find yourself watching them defying conventional wisdom, and
(27:50):
they just win a tough game the next week. And
it's tough to kill these teams. It's trying to like
nail a jello to the wall sometimes to really get them.
Here's what I wonder, I really wonder if that explosivity
we saw out of that a and M passing game
is just here to stay because it was against Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (28:10):
Is it just here to stay?
Speaker 7 (28:11):
If it is, and you're making Auburn trade points with
you to keep up Jackson Arnold's not going to do that,
and they'll end up turning the ball over and it
will be A and M's day. I think if Auburn
wins this game, that box scores really crooked. It's like
seventeen passes fifty two runs. It's way way warped. That
is Auburn's game. That's their path here. It's the game
(28:32):
I'm most conflicted on.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I picked A and M.
Speaker 8 (28:35):
I'm very, very conflicted on it.
Speaker 7 (28:37):
There's absolutely nothing in that game that would shock me
either way.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay, sc Illinois Illinois gets stomped last week at Indiana.
I don't I help me explain this one to me?
Speaker 8 (28:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
They beat Duke West Illinois Western Michigan. He beat sixty
three to ten. Granted on the road. I don't really
know why Illinois is still ranked A. Then we just couldn't,
like veguess, you couldn't find twenty five teams to rank.
It was that bigger question. Is sc fresh off a
road win against Purdue. They're a six and a half
point favorite, so not a touchdown favorite, but almost at Illinois.
(29:13):
Who do you like that one?
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Doesn't look like it makes a whole lot of sense,
does it, Especially if you stayed up late and you
watched Southern cal Car of Michigan State up last week
and then most people had already seen what Indiana did. Man,
they splattered Illinois.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
I'm going to this game.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
By the way, I've never been to an Illinois game.
Speaker 8 (29:30):
I have got to do what I did with A
and m Auvern. I got to see it to believe
it. It may be the most.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Square side in the world. I don't know how you
don't lay the points with USC here. I also think
I think I talked to you about this a couple
of weeks ago too. If you start to watch USC
Nohen Lincoln had Caleb Williams a couple of years ago,
you're thinking, Man, Caleb Williams, supreme talent.
Speaker 8 (29:49):
Top overall draft pick, blah blah blah.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
I am telling you I feel even stronger about it
two weeks later. I think he's got a better quarterback
for his system right now, Jad and Mayava. I don't
want to compare talent profiles. I just want to talk
about the job of a quarterback within a system. Jade
and Miyava is a stud man, and you look at
the smiles.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
On that coaching staff's faces.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
That dude's playing within that system better than Caleb Williams
ever played within Lincoln Riley's system. And you can coach that.
I mean, just talking from a coach's perspective. If you've
got a guy who's got adequate to really high level skill,
which Mayava does, and he's doing what you ask him
to do, but he's also got that improvisation, he's got
that X factor, that intangible stuff you can't coach, ability
(30:34):
to make you look like a genius three or four
times a game. And he's ascending like he's just now
really figuring it out. They're a very dangerous team. They've
got stud wide receivers. They lost Branch that is Georgea's
number one receiver right now, and.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
They still got two studs out there. So I know.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
It's desperation time for Illinois.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
I know all that.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
I'm going to the game for that reason, but man,
it's going to take a fight to stay in that
game with USC You're going to the game, I'm going
up there and then I'm going down to Athens later
that night. How can you just go to one game
on a Saturday like this?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I mean, I don't know if that sounds like a
PJ deal. If you need somebody to hopping in the
PJ and fill it up, you let me know. LSU
ole Miss, this is this would be a pretty good
pregame battle right, pregame at the Grove, pregame at LSU
under Lights afternoon game in Oxford. Reb's a point a
half favorite.
Speaker 7 (31:28):
Yeah that my went cross zero earlier this week. Honestly,
I think I think ole Miss is going to take
this game. I'm concerned about LSU. They're undefeated, and a
lot of times when teams are undefeated, people are just
blatantly ignoring warning signs. They have warning signs all over
the place right now. But they're really good defense, so
it's masked them. But once again, they're not running the
(31:49):
ball like they should. Once again, they're in the what
I think upper thirties to upper twenties, low thirties passing
and in the hundreds rushing, And it's just inexplicable that
you could never be able to run the ball at LSU,
but they can't. I don't like the offensive staff versus
defensive staff.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Match up here for LSU at all.
Speaker 7 (32:07):
Now one of the best matchups all weekend will be
Kissing versus Blake Baker. That's phenomenal, that's pay per view
quality stuff. But I'm telling you they have not faced
a team. LSU has not faced a team yet that could.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Force them to trade points.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
Clemson didn't credit to LSU. Florida didn't they turn them
over five times?
Speaker 8 (32:25):
Credit to LSU.
Speaker 7 (32:27):
This team right here, you're not holding under twenty, I
don't think. And so this is where nuss Meyer.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
Has to make some plays.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
He's had an abdominal issue all year. It has not
cost them yet, But I don't know if they're putt
in a position where they need thirty or they need
thirty four to win this game if it's there without
taking the kind of risk that forces turnovers. So I
think Ole Miss wins this game. And afterwards we're asking
a lot of questions about LSU. We already should have
been asking.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Josh you're the best man. By the way, you can
go check out Josh Pate. Okay, the Josh Pak College
Football Show. You see him on ESPN, on three Sports,
and Yahoo Sports. Check him out on YouTube. You can
get Josh Pate everywhere, but you can only get him
answering my questions on my show. That's my sale. That's
my sale. Save travels in that private jet. I'm a
(33:18):
little sad I didn't get the invite, but somehow I'll
get over it.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Thanks Josh, I appreciate it. Brother.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
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Speaker 5 (34:08):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
All right, Doug, the game on this Thursday is.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Doug. You will have the first overall pick in this
draft of the teams that you would like to see
when the World Series. Now, the playoff field isn't necessarily set,
so we get a few more options than if we
did this, say next week, but teams you would like
to see when the World Series that are still eligible
for this season.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
The Milwaukee Brewers been the best team in the National League.
Unbelievable story of a team trying to do it kind
of a different way in terms of the makeup of
the roster and the overall salaries. Plus they have a
possibility of matching up with the Cubs in the Postseason're
not only a rival sort of right, it's new rival
him in the same division forever. But you also have
(35:02):
Craig Counsel who left the Brewers for the Cubs because
the Cubs have more resources. I think the Milwaukee Brewers
are the easy pick here.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
All right, samuelll pick second, I go third, Then Jason
is the fourth pick. We'll take a time out and
then we'll reverse it in that order, Sam, you're up
at number two.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, last year I was a big apple, Sam, you know,
looking at us, enjoying the Mets run and then eventually
the Dodgers beat them. But this year, Philly Chies sake, Sam,
give me the Phillies. Give me the philadeph Phillies. Kyle Schwarber,
the schwar Bombs. He's had a great year.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Give me the Phils. I'm gonna go with the team.
Everybody's starting to fall in love with the Mariners. Boy,
that would be something for everybody up in the Pacific Northwest.
Cal Rawley, I know you're gonna have a discussion about
him coming up, Doug, but give me the Mariners at
number three.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
You guys, let my team fall to four. And though
I would like to see the Dodgers lose so that
the team can maybe contemplate the future of Andrew Friedman,
I do you think that we need to win one
for Kershaw as he's playing, So I'll go with the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
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Speaker 3 (36:18):
I'm gonna go with the Chicago Cups with my fifth pick.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Wow, how about this, I'll take the Reds. They're not
in it right now yet. Boy, what would that be
like for Sincida?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Be crazy, big red Machine. I mean, I'm next, Sam
is next.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Doug, you'll have the last pick of this draft. All right.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
If it's not the Phills, then let's go back to
being big Apple.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Sam.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Give me the Mets.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Give me the Mets, the rival of the Phillies.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
All right, Doug, wrap up this draft.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yankees.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Oh you'd like to see the Yankees win?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, just because again a lot like the Dodgers winning
it last year. It may not feel good to a
lot of people because the money they spent, but more
people will pay attention if the Yankees and the Dodgers
are in it. And I think baseball is actually he's
become a great watch way more watchable these last four
or five years than it was the previous fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
And that's game time.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Game This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
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The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.