December 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the Bucs losing a game they never should have lost to the Falcons, and how Todd Bowles rant after the game about his players is something most coaches would never say out loud but they all have thought it. Doug welcomes former Bucs' GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about the Bucs' loss, Packers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "I GOT DIBBS!".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
God, I sound like Buzz Williamson, don't I? Oh, man,
I get that mid season coaching horse thing going. Oh oh, brutal, brutal,
not sick, a little tired, but not like crazy. But
(00:44):
the uh uh, the what do people call it? The
instrument the instrument pause is a little affected by the day. Hope,
you're having a spectacular day. You're ready for a good weekend,
cause it's gonna be a good weekend, right, gonna be
a really good weekkend. No, you just have your mind
(01:07):
and you guys, Southern California. What are you got working
on there? Guys? You got eighty degrees again today? Is
that what you're doing? You guys putting on Just Sam,
make sure you put on sunscreen when you go outside
this weekend. Jason, I know you're gonna go on a
hike with your smoking hot girlfriend takes you. She takes
you to hikes all over southern California. You guys need
sunscreen this weekend, don't you.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
No, I've got a lot of thoughts on sunscreen, but
I don't want to bore the whisteners. But seventy nine
degrees this weekend? I think seventy six seventy seven?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yeah, okay, forecast nice?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Do you want to know what the forecast is here
in Green Bay, Wisconsin? Sure, Tomorrow the high will be
seven degrees, the low will be six minus six Sunday, No, tomorrow,
seven minus six is the low, and then eleven on
Sunday minus four is the low. Yes, So in case
(02:06):
you want to know what that feels like, just imagine
your face in a freezer where there actually wind is
blowing even colder air into your face. It's why does
the wind hate my face? That's really what it kind
of comes down to, why does the wind hate my face?
So right now it's twenty five feels like ten. That
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means when it's negative six degrees tonight, it'll feel like
negative thirty. So we got the win last night. But
you guys, get the wind on the weekend in terms
of the web. You know again when I got the
head coaching job year and a half ago. This is
(02:53):
a true story, Jason. I don't know if I've ever
shared this with you. I actually I landed in Milwaukee
like twelve thirty at night because I couldn't get to
Green Bay with the flights and whatever. So I was like,
I just fly to Milwaukee. Flew Phoenix from south from
from Burbank to Phoenix, Phoenix to Milwaukee, and I'm like,
I'll just drive up there. It's what an hour and
(03:13):
a half. You know, it was hard, So I went
long in my opening press conference because I was I
like had laid out in my mind. I kept giving
my opening press conference kind of monologue and trying to
time it out while I was driving. Right. It's a
I don't know if you've ever used this as a
(03:35):
broadcasting trick, but you can. Actually I did it when
I was doing the Final Four and I had a
minute on the court before Yukon beat Kentucky to whin
They're to win a national championship. Was you know, you
just look at the clock and you give your a
little spiel and you time it out to a minute, right. So, uh,
(03:55):
I've done in my mind press conferences. I've actually out
loud in a mirror, worked on press conferences. But I again,
and this is probably a mistake in my preparation, I
haven't done the press conference after being supremely frustrated or
even ticked off.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But I've had bad moments at those press conferences because
you just you know what went wrong, and you have
to take a deep breath, take full ownership of it,
of it, and find a way to be the stern,
discipline oriented but relatable human being that doesn't browbeat everybody.
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And some of it is different college to pro. Now,
I also think some of it is different sport to sport.
How we talk about our players is different than how
women's basketball talks abouts or volleyball or whatever. But again,
I'll share with you my own personal experience in a second. First,
Todd Bowles is the head coach the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
The Falcons had no reason to win that game, no
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reason to win that game. And what I did was
I was a full disclosure Dan Byer. Obviously, the game
was on later, our game was early, was like a
six thirty start so we're done in eight thirty. Were
on the bus at nine, and then we were watching
Iowa State Iowa on the bus on our phones. And
then I went back and rewatched the football game. But
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I didn't check scores for the football game, so I
didn't know what was gonna happen. It was it was like,
I don't know if your parents or anybody close to you.
My dad used to do this all the time on weekend.
Don't tell me the scores. I'm taping the game. So
I didn't have to be that guy because I wasn't.
I can't believe the Falcons won the football game. How
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many penals did they have? Well, they had tons, yes,
seventeen Jason was.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
That seventeen nineteen.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was crazy. So Todd Bowles and again this was
on a different level, same level. There's some similarities me. Again,
he's coaching grown men, he's coaching in the NFL. He's
coached as a defensive coordinator in the Super Bowl with
the Arizona Cardinals. Right, this was how he addressed his
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UH comments in the postgame.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
It's inexcusable if you don't make excuses. We you got enough,
you got care enough? Where got something to you. It's
more than a job good. How well do you know
your job? How well can you do your job? Well?
You can't sugarcoat it was incusable and it's for that's
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for no excuse for it. That's what you're telling them
a lot. I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, it's that's awesome. Now. The thing that helps
him is one he has this super kind of easy
going way of saying dropping the F word in there
where it's like a it's a it's an adjective, advert
it just it just adds to it. Right. I have
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an assistant, Carrie Rup, who's been a head coach, and
he has the same thing, the amazing use of the
F word within sentences where the F word isn't nearly
as offensive. Now you may heart all those beeps and
you're like, oh my gosh, he's but it was really
kind of a matter of fact. You're basically saying, like,
this is your job. You have to do it, you
have to have pride in it, and you have to
actually give a damn about it. You have to have
you have to care, you're give up give a rip,
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although nobody says rip has to be at a high
level and if your give a rip is at a
high level, Well, then you pay attention more. And when
you pay attention more, the coaches help you and your
prep for every situation. You don't screw up the way
the Buccaneers screwed up. But they did, and now they're
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at seven and seven. I don't think he was out
of line, and I think the big reason why though
he put it on the players and their execution. I
don't know, it's something about the ease by which he's
matter of fact of the Hey, we say no excuses.
There's no excuses. These guys screwed up. Don't believe me.
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Just ask them, and they need they need to own
up to why they screwed up and not do it again. Byer,
do you think it was over the top? Is postgame presser?
Speaker 7 (08:30):
No, that was a game that they absolutely should have won.
And O there were some things that didn't go their way.
There was a close call on Kyle Pitts, whether he
was in the end zone or not in the end
zone ruled the touchdown on the field call stood. There
was a fumble that they had inside the red zone
that about five Buccaneers had an opportunity to uh to
recover didn't happen. Baker Mayfield threw a bad interception and
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I think even he would admit, and they let the game.
I mean, they just let it go. So of less
than a week, they lost two home games to two
inferior division opponents. So I can get why Todd Bowles
would be that mad.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Meanwhile, all of us have no faith in the Carolina Panthers.
Yet the Panthers just beat the Rams, right, Panthers are
beating the Rams, the Packers, the Cowboys. They swept the
Falcons obviously in their division, and they have the Buccaneers
twice in the last three weeks. They do have the Seahawks,
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albeit at home, which you know, that's a long long
trip for Seattle and Sam Donald coming against his old club,
one of his old clubs. And they have the Saints
on the road, which you feel like, even though the
Saints have been competitive of late, that should be When
are you ready for the Carolina Panthers to be in
the playoffs and have a home game as a division champion.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Well, actually feel like they've shown more than any team
in that division of at least stability, the kind of
are who they are. They have a running game, maybe
it wasn't as potent as it was at one point
during the season middle of the season where ric O'Donell
had back to back huge games. But to your point
of their resume and who they've beaten, seems like more
of a resume than what Tampa's put together. And the
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other frustrating thing for Tampa is everyone's finally healthy. I mean,
Bucky Irving missed a bunch of time. Mike Evans came
back last night at over one hundred yards, a couple
of big plays, and Jaylen McMillan almost caught a touchdown,
so he was back in the fold. So now this
was supposed to be their stretch run. Everybody's back, let's
do it, Let's go on a run. And then you
lose like that and you had nineteen penalties for one
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hundred and twenty five yards by the Falcons and the
Buccaneers still can top that.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Doesn't that factor into this, guys? Doesn't the you mentioned
the Panthers and Dave Canalis, right, I think it factors
into the You know, all the debate shows this morning
is Todd Bowles on the hot seat, and he sounded
like a guy in that in that sound bite he
sounds like a guy who sees the rider on the wall.
He sounds like an old guy who has had his
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career and doesn't care what happens to him. That's a
sound bite out of a coach like that who's defeated,
but doesn't the Dave Canalising work into this that if
you're going to make a case against Todd Bowles being
the head coach moving forward, you have a former assistant
leading a division opponent to first place. You have a
former assistant and Liam Cohen leading the Jaguars to first place,
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and then you have Todd Bowles regressing as a head
coach without those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, I guess I don't think Todd Bowles has regressed.
I mean again that maybe that's and obviously they've fallen
apart here, but they've also had had a bad bite
of injuries, right, They're just they've just had a bad,
bad bite of injuries. That's the only thing I can
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I can say to support him. And let's also see
how he finishes. Do I think it plays part of it? Yeah,
But he was the handpicked air apparent to Bruce Arians
and so it wasn't like it was like, well we
have one of these three choices, and they chose poorly.
That was always kind of the deal. And remember arians
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is doing that job that no one actually knows what
he does, and still gets paid for it. But he
didn't get fired from his job. That was also part
of the deal.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I would say that the assistants that left the building,
it's not great for Bowls. The other part of it
is he's a defensive head coach and their defense right
now stinks outside of Viaveda, Viavea, excuse me. They they
can't stop anybody maybe decent against the run.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
A game.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
How about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Well, that's the point. Kirk Cousins can't throw for three
hundred and seventy three yards and three touchdowns in a
game without Drake London. I think that's why Todd Bowles
is also probably feeling the heat. But I think Jason's
point is is very fair, especially now in the NFL
when you're starting to hear of teams saying, all right
to be sad for offense over defense, because if you
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have a good coordinator, they're just gonna go and get
a head coaching job anyway. And now you've had two
go out the door. I think that that I think
that's all legitimate speculation.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, I mean, big thing is just winnable division. And
yeah they've had injuries, but at last night, you can't
lose last night's game. Just you can't lose last night's game.
And what happens when you get ultimately frustrateds like, hey,
like you can't say what he said. You're not supposed to,
but that's what everybody's feeling, like, dude, we prepped you
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for this stuff. What is actually going on here? And
then then the kirk Cousins, totally washed, comes back and
plays great football last night. What does that mean for
some of these other old quarterbacks right now? About the
Falcons for not sending them out the pastor obviously it
doesn't matter now they're already eliminated for the playoffs, but
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Speaker 8 (14:13):
Why do the riot with Pitts and Sales over there?
Robinson and Mooney here to the near side, Snap to Cousins.
Tampa brings the pressort go throwing.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
For the end zone.
Speaker 8 (14:22):
It's pets, did he hold on through? Give me a signal, Fellas,
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get his take on last night's Bucks debuckle and Todd
Bowles pointing the figsbuck stops other places. But before we
get to all of that, I do think it's important
that Sam points out the Syhawk was one but won
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by Iowa State last night.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yes, it was great game.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Hawkeyes had their chances. But for the first time in history,
Iowa State has now won the men's game, the women's game, wrestling,
and football in the same year.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do they have women's wrestling?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Iowa does, Iowa State does not.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
Iowa women's wrestling is very good, dominate, but it's kind
of a burgeoning sport right now.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It is a burgeoning sport anyway, So the didn't Iowa
State have like fifteen points at halftime, it was it.
Speaker 9 (16:36):
Was thirty three twenty five, I believe, and then Iowa
State just came out gangbusters at the beginning of the
second half.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Then i we re spawned. It was heavy eight fight.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
It was I was Iowa was an eleven and a
half point dog, and they battled and they had it
within with a one possession game with about a minute
ago or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was close thirty three to twenty five at the half,
ends up being sixty six sixty two. Good ball game.
My boy Miles Signment was on the call. Did it
sneak up on anybody else? Sneak up on anybody else?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
The the.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The NBA Cup in Vegas, Like, I saw that pop
up in my email, you know, we get emails as
at broadcasts whatever, Hey, don't forget NBA Cup in Vegas
set dates. Here's the teams that's playing. Like, I guess
it's because I didn't realize it's December. I'm so into
you know, football, And of course my basketball team did.
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Did sneak up on you?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
The one thing that the NBA did this year is
they had quarterfinal games this week, so the rest of
the league kind of took off Tuesday and Wednesday, so
the Lakers had that game against the Spurs, which was
a cup game, and you know, the the Knicks played
earlier this week, So the NBA did try to kind
of highlight it this year by by doing that with
the schedule. But yeah, usually happens around this time at
heading to Vegas. But yeah, that's what's gonna happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah that's Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. People
are paying more attention to football as they should. Mark
Dominic pays a ton of attention to football. He's a
former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's worked
at all levels of the National Football League, and he
joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. How the Buccaneers
lose that game.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I I'm watching the game, and when you know, having
worked with Raheem Morris as our head coach in Tampa
Bay for a few years, when you know, they were
down fourteen points, they scored the touchdown and made it
twenty to twenty eight. I'm like, don't you kick the
extra point? Like I don't believe the analytics is correct
here and they miss it, and I'm like, oh, here,
you go and then they score and you're like, go
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for two, and they don't get that there's no way,
and then some I mean, it's just that's such a
miserable loss at home when the division's right in front
of you for years for the taking. I still think
they'll win the division, but just the way the ball
bounces and the way that played out is just it's
hard to have them. I mean, it's you wake up
the next morning six to your stomach, or you wake
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up that's the fastest flight you've ever had to Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'll ask you a question that I think I think
Jason's too. It was it Jason or was it you?
Dan discussed about fifteen minutes ago. Considering you have other
former assistants who are doing very, very well and the
Bucks are collapsing here down the stretch, how much does
do the other assistants that used to be in Tampa
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doing well increase the pressure on Todd bulls Well?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I think because of Bullsby on the defensive side. Obviously
those guys are on the offensive side with Canals and
Cohen that, yeah, it's pressure. But again, you know, as
much as there was an opportunity last night for Tampa
to kind of make sure that they've won the South again.
Their schedule still they played the Carolina Panthers twice, the
schedule still in front of them. I think, if you're
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Jason Light, if I was Jason Light and I'm sitting
there today, I want to see the whole season playoff.
I'm in zero rush here. But I don't think Todd
Bowles is on a hot seat right now, not this year. Glaziers,
as much as there's been changed there, I don't see
them as a team that would want to change after,
you know, being the only team that's won its division
the last what four or five years in a row.
No one's done that besides the Buccaneers in the South.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
All Right, So the last two weeks you joined us
and you said, hey, you know, Stot's been fine, good.
I just don't see him long term as the starter
there in Cleveland. Did last weekend change your mind? No?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean I think that they're just auditioning and they'll
be back at the podium this year, and you know,
with depending on which quarterbacks actually do decide to come
out and be part of this draft class, will be
a big part of what happens with the Cleveland Browns.
But I think that they are seeing they've got two
good twos potentially. I just don't feel like they've got
their number one. And again, I think it's under duress
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too much. And that's all from you know, processing quickly
enough and right now. You know again, I'd give him
through the rest of the season at this point instead
of going back to just to make sure. But I
feel like I need to see three or four more games.
But I just don't know if the processing is gonna happen.
That't enough for him.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the
voice of of Mark Dominic. I agree. You know, it's
interesting that the touchdown when he kind of layered a
little bit in the end zone, he actually had a
tight end wide open that we made the wrong read
and got a touchdown. Anyway, I haven't heard anybody point
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it out watching him like that is the wrong guy,
wrong guy? Okay, cam Ward watching him in the same game.
How much concern do you have for his future?
Speaker 8 (21:42):
I do.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Know he's not look I think he's respected in the
locker room. I think he's got the mox scene. I
think he's got the intelligence. I think that his release
looks off a little bit to me, even though it's
something you really can't change at this point, this late
in their careers. We all know what Tim Tebow and
other guys to carry Collins hitch like. You just can't
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get rid of that stuff. And part of that makes
me concerned that you know, the accuracy and just being
able to put the weight on his shoulders. It's been
disheartening because I really like cam More the kid, but
and I got you gotta be honest. I mean, they're
surrounding them with a bunch of guys that probably are
backups for other teams in terms of skill set guys,
and all that combined makes for, you know, a very
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disappointing campaign. But I think if you're the Titans, you
cannot rule out quarterback in the first round. I think
the worst situation you have is you're you over. You
want to believe so badly that your pick is going
to make it that you're not willing to keep your
eyes open and say, hey, look at two quarterbacks and
one of them is a franchise guy. I don't care
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teams trade two or three or four first rounders to
get a franchise guy. So if he takes two our
first round picks on quarterback to get the right guy,
do it. I think they've got to keep their eyes
open on both things.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Doug Gottlief Show, you listened to Fox Sports Radio Bears
Packers game? You walked away with what impression after watching
those two teams?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, you know, I still really believe in what the
Green Bay Packers can be and r I still feel
like the wh when a push comes to show. I
feel like they've got more playmakers across the board, and
I trust Jordan Love to be able to push the
ball when it has to happen and think that he
can make a throw. And it gives me the confidence
to feel like this Packer team is the is the
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better team. But the Bears, you know, I've always said
all season, I just feel like they're going to not
be in the postseason. I think Detroit is going to
catch them and move forward, and I think that's what's
going to unfold as we see the last month of
the season.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
S Doug Gottlief Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
Jalen Hurts, are they using him incorrectly and throwing the
ball too much. Is this his ceiling He's not running
the football as much or as well? What's your assessment
of Jalen Hurts and what suddenly has changed for the
worst with the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, I think it's one thing is what you talked about,
and they did run sa kuon Barker. I talked about
how important was going to be to get say Kwon
Barker ball. They ran the ball well, they could have
run it more, I think, and not put everything in
Jalen's hands. And I think that's what you've got to
continue to do. You don't take the ball out of
Jalen's hands and tell him you're not good enough anymore.
Maybe you convince him Doug that it's every week the
super Bowl and he plays to that kind of level.
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But I think the more important way to talk to
Jalen is we still believe in you. But certainly as
an offensive coordinator, we're going to hand the ball off
to Barkley, We're going to do it twenty three times
Orross gonna throw a bunch of screens and just really
build back the confidence because that was a nightmare game
for a young quarterback or for a quarterback in the league,
yet I still think he can overcome it. And look,
Jalen's not the top ten type of quarterback in the NFL,
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but he has been a top ten postseason type of
quarterback and I think he continued to do that. This
Eagles team's going to make it to the postseason and
be fine. And I still think they're going to be
the team that you're worried about playing when you get
into the postseason because of where I think Barkley's gonna explode.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Chris Greer got fired, but they also trade away you know,
Jayalen Ramsey, who can who can? Who can be rough
right to to have in terms of culture and locker room.
You know, they don't have a guy we thought was
their most talented wide receiver and Tyreek Hills on the
ir but again, some culture issues there. But the Dolphins
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have kind of quietly stabilized themselves. Right, They've won four
in row, they've won five of six. They have some
winnable games here down the stretch. What's the likelihood that
McDaniel and Tua return despite the fact the general manager
who hired them and drafted them is no longer there.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I would say that McDaniel's trying to put together the
resume and you've got to get them credit. And I think,
you know, mister Ross, the owner of the Dolphins, UH
could have just cleaned house right one sweep, and he
did not. So he must have some confidence that maybe
that he gets to see day to day in terms
of you know, maybe what we portray or we've talked
(26:08):
about media wise of like he's got no control over
the roster. He you know, the inmates are running the asylum.
Maybe that was more the way Greer wanted to handle
things and maybe the coach has decided to handle things differently.
So I think he can still write his own ticket
here and keep himself in town. I don't think it's
a certainty is that he's out, and I think it's
been great to see. It's been fun, especially you know,
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watchin has been just writes out, so good for them,
and so I think they continue to lean on what
he can provide and that's that's been a big, big
relief for that offense.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
That's Mark Dominic who, of course the former general manager
of the Tampaiy Buccaneers over twenty years in NFL front
office of scouting, you name it. Something weird happened when
we had to LESCo on on Monday. So he's on
with us and we're talking about Shane Stikeen and what
he to do. And I said, what have you called Philip?
(27:02):
Do you think he'll call Philip Rivers? He's like, he's
coaching high school football. I'm like, well, the guy who
knows the system can still come in and you can't
lose a step if you never had a step. But
he is forty four, right, and you know the reports
were that while it hasn't been announced, he's practicing as
if he's going to play and start against Seattle this weekend.
(27:24):
What are your thoughts on how this all works? Right
late in the year, got to get somebody off the street,
don't have a lot working in the house, and what
the Colts have decided to do.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, I mean, I think they're trying to salvage the season, right.
I mean they were on fire and they looked like
the fun story of twenty twenty five and then everything's
falling apart. I think this is ownership. Well, and certainly
you know, obviously general manager that you're trying to find
a way to keep yourself in the postseason and you're
looking for any opportunity. And for Philip Man, this is
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going to be hard. But I do grou Dog. I
think he's going to stress, and I think he's going
to play. I mean, you didn't sign him to, you know,
run a practice squad. He didn't sign him from You
sign a veteran quarterback who's played you know whatever, two
hundred games the National Football League. Yes, the game's faster
and things are different, but he does understand the game
very well. He's been coaching it, so that's good. He's
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not going to be in the right condition and he's
going to take some really bad hits. But I think
they throw him in there because you're saying, hey, look
we're not going to win any well, so when I
will put Philip in and see if it gives us
just a spark better than what we have, And that's
where you sit. I mean, that's why you've got to
have what you feel is And I know that they
tried to with Richardson obviously with Daniel Jones, but you know,
you just get devastated at that position more than anywhere
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you're in deep trouble, and obviously the Colts are in
deep trouble. And I don't think it's gonna be enough
to get them back to make sure that they make
the postseason. I don't believe that's going to happen for
an Indy.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The kids. The Chiefs have been the model, right and
now that the model of an aging, decaying, formerly great team.
How hard are their issues to fix this offseason?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I don't think it's that hard. And you know, I
actually watched some more Chiefs tape this week, and I know,
you know, I've been harping a little bit on the
offensive line coming together. One of it's got to get
Tray Smith healthy. But I got to tell you, Doug,
when I watched Josh Simmons, their first round pick, the
left tackle from Ohio State with a thirty second pick
in the draft, She's going to be phenomenal, like phenomenal
(29:25):
good you literally. So I think they've got to get
the right side of the line fixed. I think they
go back to the offensive line. Look, they've got to
fix the offensive line, especially the right side. Now you're
I think you're okay interior wise, and you certainly have
think going to be outside good on tackle if you
go draft young another tackle. I think the thing that
I've talked about is what they have to do is
either in free agency or you know, and the other
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draft pick, you know, higher in the draft, since they'll
be picking high in the draft for the first time
in forever, They've got to get a speedball. They've got
to get a pass rusher that can throw a fastball.
They have to have it because everybody can sit back
and uh not be worried about losing the edge, and
that helps them. That really hurts their defense from being
as productive as I think they could be. So I
think that that's something that those two things, the right
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tackle and finding us pass rusher are number one, number
two check checks for the Cancer Chiefs, and they.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Probably need new tight end right I mean, I mean
it feels close to time. I mean, it still can
be effective, but not as effective. Gonna have to find
an air apparent there as well, but can't do anything
you can't protect on the right side as well. That's
obviously the priority. Mark great stuff. Happy holidays, Toe you
merk Christmas. Thanks for being our guests. We'll talk to
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you soon.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You bet enjoy the games. Of Freaking Doug.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
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Speaker 2 (30:44):
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(31:07):
Jason does it with no clothes on. I think it's inappropriate,
but I'm not in the same studio, so it doesn't
bother me. Let's get to a game with Dan Byer.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Dan Byro, what's the game today, my friend Doug.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
The game today is I Got DIBs? All right, we
start out Philip Rivers memories. Yes, your favorite memory or
memory that stands out the most Philip Rivers memories.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
In three two one go I got DIBs. I'm playing
in the AFC Championship game with a torn aclh. If
we remember that game where they were beaten by the
New England Patriots after beating Nneapolis Colts on the road.
Ledanian Thomlinson did not play with a spray knee granted
position where he needed to be way more explosive than
(32:03):
Philip Rivers. But Rivers played in the town acl Laedanian
Thomason didn't play. And here's the shocker. The Chargers lost
to the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I got divs. I got divs. On another playoff moment,
it was later in his wife. He was thirty years
old and he was playing the Ravens in a playoff game,
and he remember scrambled for nine yards, got the first down,
got his clock cleaned, and then he got up and
he did that very awkward old white guy head nod
first down motion. I think he set out towards that
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he became a five year old again. He never scrambled.
He's not mobile. And that was I remember that moment.
That was a good one.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Was that was that twenty eighteen because they did have
a playoff win for the eighty nineteen Well, I'm looking
at twenty eighteen as a wonderful season for Philip Rivers
and the Chargers. They went twelve and four, They did
beat the Ravens in the playoff. They lost to the
Patriots eventually, but they had a couple of close wins
San Francisco, Tennessee, and Pittsburgh. But the one that stands
out was a one point win over the Chiefs in
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Week fifteen. It was just a joy to watch. I remember,
and he was at NC State. They played Ohio State
in a shootout in two thousand and three, went to overtime.
Ohio State ultimately got the win, but it was an
up and down affair between the Buckeyes and Wolfpack.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
I also remember the time where he made Doug. I
think you've talked about this, how Philip Rivers makes you
feel like your best friends. Sure, and so at the
training camp. I remember when we had him on a
broadcast years back and joined the show.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
No people would go like, well, you and Philip must
like hang out together like no, man, literally, No, he
just makes has that way, has that way.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
He didn't do many interviews. He wasn't he didn't make
himself available, but when he did show up, he was
like the greatest guy in the world.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
It was one of those things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, it was crazy, all right.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Cut him on the heels of Philip Rivers. By the way,
just got an alert that Riley Leonard is off the
injury report for the Colts, so he would be available,
but we don't know. Shane Stikeen is not named the
starter yet for Sunday's game in Seattle for Indianapolis. But
on the heels of the Philip Rivers conversation, how about
old quarterbacks in general? Just old guys. You remember playing
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quarterback coming down in three two one go. Vinny Testaverdi
was around for a long time. Ever ever ever could
still throw it, and his better years were in his
later years.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Remember he was more of a laughing stock in his
early years with the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
They were terrible.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Yeah yeah, but then almost led the Jets and then yes.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, great call, really good one warm moon ah yes,
and I bet war Moon right now can still throw
one of those spirals at the ball, Like looked longer
when he threw it. It's such an incredibly tight spiral.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I got divs on Brett Favre Viking years. So two
thousand and nine, I think he had one of his
best seasons he ever had led the Vikings seal at
the NFC Championship Game. I want to say or something else.
And then the following season was just pathetic. I want
to say the last game he ever played was getting
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his ass kicked for four quarters to the Saints. Am I.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
No this? He lost? He lost the Saints in the
Bounty year in the in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
The next year he came back. He retired, and then
they famously sent the private plane down there with three
players and he came back in the Nike hat that
looked like it had that was like the one hat
every day mowing. And what I remember about that year
was his streak. Because he got hurt, his streak ended,
and then the Metrodome actually collapsed from too much snow.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
It was like.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Completely appropriate, like things that never happened. Brett fare misses
a start and the Metrodome actually the dome collapsed snow?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
All right? Final topic?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Are we good on old quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Can do old domes?
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Doug?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You had ward domes?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Warn moon can still throw a football over them mountains?
How much you want to make a bet?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I can throw a football over them mountains? Good? Pretty good?
What else got dan virus?
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Final one?
Speaker 7 (36:21):
Christmas Time activity? Christmas Time activity? I got DIBs on
wrapping presents. All right, the stress is over of having
to find gifts. Wrapping presence is something I usually do
while having some alcoholic beverages. Maybe you're listening to some
music and you're really winding down. You're like, man, the
fruit of my labor is here, it's done, and I
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can't wait for people.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
No, I'm terrible. It looks like it looks like metal wreckage.
It looks like something wrapped in metal.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
When when my kids were little, my job was to
put all the do all the heavy lifting stuff. I
did all the bias, obviously, the supplying and the heavy
lifting stuff, and then she did all the rapping. I
did none of the wrapping.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Women.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yes, it's it's it's almost like that's like what's taught
to When did they bring them? Pull them a cycle?
Here's a you wrap The guy can't do it, and
I would watch I would watch Diehard when that would happen.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
So I like Christmas lights, like checking out Christmas lights.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I like Christmas music within reasons, especially time.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
God, I sound like Buzz Williamson, don't I? Oh, man,
I get that mid season coaching horse thing going. Oh oh, brutal, brutal,
not sick, a little tired, but not like crazy. But
(00:44):
the uh uh, the what do people call it? The
instrument the instrument pause is a little affected by the day. Hope,
you're having a spectacular day. You're ready for a good weekend,
cause it's gonna be a good weekend, right, gonna be
a really good weekkend. No, you just have your mind
(01:07):
and you guys, Southern California. What are you got working
on there? Guys? You got eighty degrees again today? Is
that what you're doing? You guys putting on Just Sam,
make sure you put on sunscreen when you go outside
this weekend. Jason, I know you're gonna go on a
hike with your smoking hot girlfriend takes you. She takes
you to hikes all over southern California. You guys need
sunscreen this weekend, don't you.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:29):
No, I've got a lot of thoughts on sunscreen, but
I don't want to bore the whisteners. But seventy nine
degrees this weekend? I think seventy six seventy seven?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Yeah, okay, forecast nice?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Do you want to know what the forecast is here
in Green Bay, Wisconsin? Sure, Tomorrow the high will be
seven degrees, the low will be six minus six Sunday, No, tomorrow,
seven minus six is the low, and then eleven on
Sunday minus four is the low. Yes, So in case
(02:06):
you want to know what that feels like, just imagine
your face in a freezer where there actually wind is
blowing even colder air into your face. It's why does
the wind hate my face? That's really what it kind
of comes down to, why does the wind hate my face?
So right now it's twenty five feels like ten. That
(02:28):
means when it's negative six degrees tonight, it'll feel like
negative thirty. So we got the win last night. But
you guys, get the wind on the weekend in terms
of the web. You know again when I got the
head coaching job year and a half ago. This is
(02:53):
a true story, Jason. I don't know if I've ever
shared this with you. I actually I landed in Milwaukee
like twelve thirty at night because I couldn't get to
Green Bay with the flights and whatever. So I was like,
I just fly to Milwaukee. Flew Phoenix from south from
from Burbank to Phoenix, Phoenix to Milwaukee, and I'm like,
I'll just drive up there. It's what an hour and
(03:13):
a half. You know, it was hard, So I went
long in my opening press conference because I was I
like had laid out in my mind. I kept giving
my opening press conference kind of monologue and trying to
time it out while I was driving. Right. It's a
I don't know if you've ever used this as a
(03:35):
broadcasting trick, but you can. Actually I did it when
I was doing the Final Four and I had a
minute on the court before Yukon beat Kentucky to whin
They're to win a national championship. Was you know, you
just look at the clock and you give your a
little spiel and you time it out to a minute, right. So, uh,
(03:55):
I've done in my mind press conferences. I've actually out
loud in a mirror, worked on press conferences. But I again,
and this is probably a mistake in my preparation, I
haven't done the press conference after being supremely frustrated or
even ticked off.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But I've had bad moments at those press conferences because
you just you know what went wrong, and you have
to take a deep breath, take full ownership of it,
of it, and find a way to be the stern,
discipline oriented but relatable human being that doesn't browbeat everybody.
(04:43):
And some of it is different college to pro. Now,
I also think some of it is different sport to sport.
How we talk about our players is different than how
women's basketball talks abouts or volleyball or whatever. But again,
I'll share with you my own personal experience in a second. First,
Todd Bowles is the head coach the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
The Falcons had no reason to win that game, no
(05:07):
reason to win that game. And what I did was
I was a full disclosure Dan Byer. Obviously, the game
was on later, our game was early, was like a
six thirty start so we're done in eight thirty. Were
on the bus at nine, and then we were watching
Iowa State Iowa on the bus on our phones. And
then I went back and rewatched the football game. But
(05:29):
I didn't check scores for the football game, so I
didn't know what was gonna happen. It was it was like,
I don't know if your parents or anybody close to you.
My dad used to do this all the time on weekend.
Don't tell me the scores. I'm taping the game. So
I didn't have to be that guy because I wasn't.
I can't believe the Falcons won the football game. How
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many penals did they have? Well, they had tons, yes,
seventeen Jason was.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
That seventeen nineteen.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
It was crazy. So Todd Bowles and again this was
on a different level, same level. There's some similarities me. Again,
he's coaching grown men, he's coaching in the NFL. He's
coached as a defensive coordinator in the Super Bowl with
the Arizona Cardinals. Right, this was how he addressed his
(06:23):
UH comments in the postgame.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
It's inexcusable if you don't make excuses. We you got enough,
you got care enough? Where got something to you. It's
more than a job good. How well do you know
your job? How well can you do your job? Well?
You can't sugarcoat it was incusable and it's for that's
(06:47):
for no excuse for it. That's what you're telling them
a lot. I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I mean, it's that's awesome. Now. The thing that helps
him is one he has this super kind of easy
going way of saying dropping the F word in there
where it's like a it's a it's an adjective, advert
it just it just adds to it. Right. I have
(07:13):
an assistant, Carrie Rup, who's been a head coach, and
he has the same thing, the amazing use of the
F word within sentences where the F word isn't nearly
as offensive. Now you may heart all those beeps and
you're like, oh my gosh, he's but it was really
kind of a matter of fact. You're basically saying, like,
this is your job. You have to do it, you
have to have pride in it, and you have to
actually give a damn about it. You have to have
you have to care, you're give up give a rip,
(07:37):
although nobody says rip has to be at a high
level and if your give a rip is at a
high level, Well, then you pay attention more. And when
you pay attention more, the coaches help you and your
prep for every situation. You don't screw up the way
the Buccaneers screwed up. But they did, and now they're
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at seven and seven. I don't think he was out
of line, and I think the big reason why though
he put it on the players and their execution. I
don't know, it's something about the ease by which he's
matter of fact of the Hey, we say no excuses.
There's no excuses. These guys screwed up. Don't believe me.
(08:19):
Just ask them, and they need they need to own
up to why they screwed up and not do it again. Byer,
do you think it was over the top? Is postgame presser?
Speaker 7 (08:30):
No, that was a game that they absolutely should have won.
And O there were some things that didn't go their way.
There was a close call on Kyle Pitts, whether he
was in the end zone or not in the end
zone ruled the touchdown on the field call stood. There
was a fumble that they had inside the red zone
that about five Buccaneers had an opportunity to uh to
recover didn't happen. Baker Mayfield threw a bad interception and
(08:53):
I think even he would admit, and they let the game.
I mean, they just let it go. So of less
than a week, they lost two home games to two
inferior division opponents. So I can get why Todd Bowles
would be that mad.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Meanwhile, all of us have no faith in the Carolina Panthers.
Yet the Panthers just beat the Rams, right, Panthers are
beating the Rams, the Packers, the Cowboys. They swept the
Falcons obviously in their division, and they have the Buccaneers
twice in the last three weeks. They do have the Seahawks,
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albeit at home, which you know, that's a long long
trip for Seattle and Sam Donald coming against his old club,
one of his old clubs. And they have the Saints
on the road, which you feel like, even though the
Saints have been competitive of late, that should be When
are you ready for the Carolina Panthers to be in
the playoffs and have a home game as a division champion.
Speaker 7 (09:48):
Well, actually feel like they've shown more than any team
in that division of at least stability, the kind of
are who they are. They have a running game, maybe
it wasn't as potent as it was at one point
during the season middle of the season where ric O'Donell
had back to back huge games. But to your point
of their resume and who they've beaten, seems like more
of a resume than what Tampa's put together. And the
(10:10):
other frustrating thing for Tampa is everyone's finally healthy. I mean,
Bucky Irving missed a bunch of time. Mike Evans came
back last night at over one hundred yards, a couple
of big plays, and Jaylen McMillan almost caught a touchdown,
so he was back in the fold. So now this
was supposed to be their stretch run. Everybody's back, let's
do it, Let's go on a run. And then you
lose like that and you had nineteen penalties for one
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hundred and twenty five yards by the Falcons and the
Buccaneers still can top that.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Doesn't that factor into this, guys? Doesn't the you mentioned
the Panthers and Dave Canalis, right, I think it factors
into the You know, all the debate shows this morning
is Todd Bowles on the hot seat, and he sounded
like a guy in that in that sound bite he
sounds like a guy who sees the rider on the wall.
He sounds like an old guy who has had his
(10:57):
career and doesn't care what happens to him. That's a
sound bite out of a coach like that who's defeated,
but doesn't the Dave Canalising work into this that if
you're going to make a case against Todd Bowles being
the head coach moving forward, you have a former assistant
leading a division opponent to first place. You have a
former assistant and Liam Cohen leading the Jaguars to first place,
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and then you have Todd Bowles regressing as a head
coach without those guys.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, I guess I don't think Todd Bowles has regressed.
I mean again that maybe that's and obviously they've fallen
apart here, but they've also had had a bad bite
of injuries, right, They're just they've just had a bad,
bad bite of injuries. That's the only thing I can
(11:44):
I can say to support him. And let's also see
how he finishes. Do I think it plays part of it? Yeah,
But he was the handpicked air apparent to Bruce Arians
and so it wasn't like it was like, well we
have one of these three choices, and they chose poorly.
That was always kind of the deal. And remember arians
(12:06):
is doing that job that no one actually knows what
he does, and still gets paid for it. But he
didn't get fired from his job. That was also part
of the deal.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
I would say that the assistants that left the building,
it's not great for Bowls. The other part of it
is he's a defensive head coach and their defense right
now stinks outside of Viaveda, Viavea, excuse me. They they
can't stop anybody maybe decent against the run.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
A game.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
How about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Well, that's the point. Kirk Cousins can't throw for three
hundred and seventy three yards and three touchdowns in a
game without Drake London. I think that's why Todd Bowles
is also probably feeling the heat. But I think Jason's
point is is very fair, especially now in the NFL
when you're starting to hear of teams saying, all right
to be sad for offense over defense, because if you
(12:58):
have a good coordinator, they're just gonna go and get
a head coaching job anyway. And now you've had two
go out the door. I think that that I think
that's all legitimate speculation.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, I mean, big thing is just winnable division. And
yeah they've had injuries, but at last night, you can't
lose last night's game. Just you can't lose last night's game.
And what happens when you get ultimately frustrateds like, hey,
like you can't say what he said. You're not supposed to,
but that's what everybody's feeling, like, dude, we prepped you
(13:33):
for this stuff. What is actually going on here? And
then then the kirk Cousins, totally washed, comes back and
plays great football last night. What does that mean for
some of these other old quarterbacks right now? About the
Falcons for not sending them out the pastor obviously it
doesn't matter now they're already eliminated for the playoffs, but
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Speaker 8 (14:13):
Why do the riot with Pitts and Sales over there?
Robinson and Mooney here to the near side, Snap to Cousins.
Tampa brings the pressort go throwing.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
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Speaker 8 (14:22):
It's pets, did he hold on through? Give me a signal, Fellas,
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that Sam points out the Syhawk was one but won
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by Iowa State last night.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yes, it was great game.
Speaker 9 (16:08):
Hawkeyes had their chances. But for the first time in history,
Iowa State has now won the men's game, the women's game, wrestling,
and football in the same year.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Do they have women's wrestling?
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Iowa does, Iowa State does not.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
Iowa women's wrestling is very good, dominate, but it's kind
of a burgeoning sport right now.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
It is a burgeoning sport anyway, So the didn't Iowa
State have like fifteen points at halftime, it was it.
Speaker 9 (16:36):
Was thirty three twenty five, I believe, and then Iowa
State just came out gangbusters at the beginning of the
second half.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Then i we re spawned. It was heavy eight fight.
Speaker 9 (16:43):
It was I was Iowa was an eleven and a
half point dog, and they battled and they had it
within with a one possession game with about a minute
ago or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was close thirty three to twenty five at the half,
ends up being sixty six sixty two. Good ball game.
My boy Miles Signment was on the call. Did it
sneak up on anybody else? Sneak up on anybody else?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
The the.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
The NBA Cup in Vegas, Like, I saw that pop
up in my email, you know, we get emails as
at broadcasts whatever, Hey, don't forget NBA Cup in Vegas
set dates. Here's the teams that's playing. Like, I guess
it's because I didn't realize it's December. I'm so into
you know, football, And of course my basketball team did.
(17:33):
Did sneak up on you?
Speaker 6 (17:34):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Well?
Speaker 7 (17:36):
The one thing that the NBA did this year is
they had quarterfinal games this week, so the rest of
the league kind of took off Tuesday and Wednesday, so
the Lakers had that game against the Spurs, which was
a cup game, and you know, the the Knicks played
earlier this week, So the NBA did try to kind
of highlight it this year by by doing that with
the schedule. But yeah, usually happens around this time at
heading to Vegas. But yeah, that's what's gonna happen tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Yeah that's Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. People
are paying more attention to football as they should. Mark
Dominic pays a ton of attention to football. He's a
former general manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's worked
at all levels of the National Football League, and he
joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. How the Buccaneers
lose that game.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I I'm watching the game, and when you know, having
worked with Raheem Morris as our head coach in Tampa
Bay for a few years, when you know, they were
down fourteen points, they scored the touchdown and made it
twenty to twenty eight. I'm like, don't you kick the
extra point? Like I don't believe the analytics is correct
here and they miss it, and I'm like, oh, here,
you go and then they score and you're like, go
(18:39):
for two, and they don't get that there's no way,
and then some I mean, it's just that's such a
miserable loss at home when the division's right in front
of you for years for the taking. I still think
they'll win the division, but just the way the ball
bounces and the way that played out is just it's
hard to have them. I mean, it's you wake up
the next morning six to your stomach, or you wake
(19:00):
up that's the fastest flight you've ever had to Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'll ask you a question that I think I think
Jason's too. It was it Jason or was it you?
Dan discussed about fifteen minutes ago. Considering you have other
former assistants who are doing very, very well and the
Bucks are collapsing here down the stretch, how much does
do the other assistants that used to be in Tampa
(19:26):
doing well increase the pressure on Todd bulls Well?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I think because of Bullsby on the defensive side. Obviously
those guys are on the offensive side with Canals and
Cohen that, yeah, it's pressure. But again, you know, as
much as there was an opportunity last night for Tampa
to kind of make sure that they've won the South again.
Their schedule still they played the Carolina Panthers twice, the
schedule still in front of them. I think, if you're
(19:54):
Jason Light, if I was Jason Light and I'm sitting
there today, I want to see the whole season playoff.
I'm in zero rush here. But I don't think Todd
Bowles is on a hot seat right now, not this year. Glaziers,
as much as there's been changed there, I don't see
them as a team that would want to change after,
you know, being the only team that's won its division
the last what four or five years in a row.
No one's done that besides the Buccaneers in the South.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
All Right, So the last two weeks you joined us
and you said, hey, you know, Stot's been fine, good.
I just don't see him long term as the starter
there in Cleveland. Did last weekend change your mind? No?
Speaker 6 (20:31):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean I think that they're just auditioning and they'll
be back at the podium this year, and you know,
with depending on which quarterbacks actually do decide to come
out and be part of this draft class, will be
a big part of what happens with the Cleveland Browns.
But I think that they are seeing they've got two
good twos potentially. I just don't feel like they've got
their number one. And again, I think it's under duress
(20:53):
too much. And that's all from you know, processing quickly
enough and right now. You know again, I'd give him
through the rest of the season at this point instead
of going back to just to make sure. But I
feel like I need to see three or four more games.
But I just don't know if the processing is gonna happen.
That't enough for him.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the
voice of of Mark Dominic. I agree. You know, it's
interesting that the touchdown when he kind of layered a
little bit in the end zone, he actually had a
tight end wide open that we made the wrong read
and got a touchdown. Anyway, I haven't heard anybody point
(21:30):
it out watching him like that is the wrong guy,
wrong guy? Okay, cam Ward watching him in the same game.
How much concern do you have for his future?
Speaker 8 (21:42):
I do.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Know he's not look I think he's respected in the
locker room. I think he's got the mox scene. I
think he's got the intelligence. I think that his release
looks off a little bit to me, even though it's
something you really can't change at this point, this late
in their careers. We all know what Tim Tebow and
other guys to carry Collins hitch like. You just can't
(22:06):
get rid of that stuff. And part of that makes
me concerned that you know, the accuracy and just being
able to put the weight on his shoulders. It's been
disheartening because I really like cam More the kid, but
and I got you gotta be honest. I mean, they're
surrounding them with a bunch of guys that probably are
backups for other teams in terms of skill set guys,
and all that combined makes for, you know, a very
(22:28):
disappointing campaign. But I think if you're the Titans, you
cannot rule out quarterback in the first round. I think
the worst situation you have is you're you over. You
want to believe so badly that your pick is going
to make it that you're not willing to keep your
eyes open and say, hey, look at two quarterbacks and
one of them is a franchise guy. I don't care
(22:50):
teams trade two or three or four first rounders to
get a franchise guy. So if he takes two our
first round picks on quarterback to get the right guy,
do it. I think they've got to keep their eyes
open on both things.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Doug Gottlief Show, you listened to Fox Sports Radio Bears
Packers game? You walked away with what impression after watching
those two teams?
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, you know, I still really believe in what the
Green Bay Packers can be and r I still feel
like the wh when a push comes to show. I
feel like they've got more playmakers across the board, and
I trust Jordan Love to be able to push the
ball when it has to happen and think that he
can make a throw. And it gives me the confidence
to feel like this Packer team is the is the
(23:32):
better team. But the Bears, you know, I've always said
all season, I just feel like they're going to not
be in the postseason. I think Detroit is going to
catch them and move forward, and I think that's what's
going to unfold as we see the last month of
the season.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
S Doug Gottlief Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
Jalen Hurts, are they using him incorrectly and throwing the
ball too much. Is this his ceiling He's not running
the football as much or as well? What's your assessment
of Jalen Hurts and what suddenly has changed for the
worst with the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, I think it's one thing is what you talked about,
and they did run sa kuon Barker. I talked about
how important was going to be to get say Kwon
Barker ball. They ran the ball well, they could have
run it more, I think, and not put everything in
Jalen's hands. And I think that's what you've got to
continue to do. You don't take the ball out of
Jalen's hands and tell him you're not good enough anymore.
Maybe you convince him Doug that it's every week the
super Bowl and he plays to that kind of level.
(24:29):
But I think the more important way to talk to
Jalen is we still believe in you. But certainly as
an offensive coordinator, we're going to hand the ball off
to Barkley, We're going to do it twenty three times
Orross gonna throw a bunch of screens and just really
build back the confidence because that was a nightmare game
for a young quarterback or for a quarterback in the league,
yet I still think he can overcome it. And look,
Jalen's not the top ten type of quarterback in the NFL,
(24:51):
but he has been a top ten postseason type of
quarterback and I think he continued to do that. This
Eagles team's going to make it to the postseason and
be fine. And I still think they're going to be
the team that you're worried about playing when you get
into the postseason because of where I think Barkley's gonna explode.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Chris Greer got fired, but they also trade away you know,
Jayalen Ramsey, who can who can? Who can be rough
right to to have in terms of culture and locker room.
You know, they don't have a guy we thought was
their most talented wide receiver and Tyreek Hills on the
ir but again, some culture issues there. But the Dolphins
(25:29):
have kind of quietly stabilized themselves. Right, They've won four
in row, they've won five of six. They have some
winnable games here down the stretch. What's the likelihood that
McDaniel and Tua return despite the fact the general manager
who hired them and drafted them is no longer there.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I would say that McDaniel's trying to put together the
resume and you've got to get them credit. And I think,
you know, mister Ross, the owner of the Dolphins, UH
could have just cleaned house right one sweep, and he
did not. So he must have some confidence that maybe
that he gets to see day to day in terms
of you know, maybe what we portray or we've talked
(26:08):
about media wise of like he's got no control over
the roster. He you know, the inmates are running the asylum.
Maybe that was more the way Greer wanted to handle
things and maybe the coach has decided to handle things differently.
So I think he can still write his own ticket
here and keep himself in town. I don't think it's
a certainty is that he's out, and I think it's
been great to see. It's been fun, especially you know,
(26:31):
watchin has been just writes out, so good for them,
and so I think they continue to lean on what
he can provide and that's that's been a big, big
relief for that offense.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
That's Mark Dominic who, of course the former general manager
of the Tampaiy Buccaneers over twenty years in NFL front
office of scouting, you name it. Something weird happened when
we had to LESCo on on Monday. So he's on
with us and we're talking about Shane Stikeen and what
he to do. And I said, what have you called Philip?
(27:02):
Do you think he'll call Philip Rivers? He's like, he's
coaching high school football. I'm like, well, the guy who
knows the system can still come in and you can't
lose a step if you never had a step. But
he is forty four, right, and you know the reports
were that while it hasn't been announced, he's practicing as
if he's going to play and start against Seattle this weekend.
(27:24):
What are your thoughts on how this all works? Right
late in the year, got to get somebody off the street,
don't have a lot working in the house, and what
the Colts have decided to do.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, I mean, I think they're trying to salvage the season, right.
I mean they were on fire and they looked like
the fun story of twenty twenty five and then everything's
falling apart. I think this is ownership. Well, and certainly
you know, obviously general manager that you're trying to find
a way to keep yourself in the postseason and you're
looking for any opportunity. And for Philip Man, this is
(27:58):
going to be hard. But I do grou Dog. I
think he's going to stress, and I think he's going
to play. I mean, you didn't sign him to, you know,
run a practice squad. He didn't sign him from You
sign a veteran quarterback who's played you know whatever, two
hundred games the National Football League. Yes, the game's faster
and things are different, but he does understand the game
very well. He's been coaching it, so that's good. He's
(28:19):
not going to be in the right condition and he's
going to take some really bad hits. But I think
they throw him in there because you're saying, hey, look
we're not going to win any well, so when I
will put Philip in and see if it gives us
just a spark better than what we have, And that's
where you sit. I mean, that's why you've got to
have what you feel is And I know that they
tried to with Richardson obviously with Daniel Jones, but you know,
you just get devastated at that position more than anywhere
(28:41):
you're in deep trouble, and obviously the Colts are in
deep trouble. And I don't think it's gonna be enough
to get them back to make sure that they make
the postseason. I don't believe that's going to happen for
an Indy.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
The kids. The Chiefs have been the model, right and
now that the model of an aging, decaying, formerly great team.
How hard are their issues to fix this offseason?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
I don't think it's that hard. And you know, I
actually watched some more Chiefs tape this week, and I know,
you know, I've been harping a little bit on the
offensive line coming together. One of it's got to get
Tray Smith healthy. But I got to tell you, Doug,
when I watched Josh Simmons, their first round pick, the
left tackle from Ohio State with a thirty second pick
in the draft, She's going to be phenomenal, like phenomenal
(29:25):
good you literally. So I think they've got to get
the right side of the line fixed. I think they
go back to the offensive line. Look, they've got to
fix the offensive line, especially the right side. Now you're
I think you're okay interior wise, and you certainly have
think going to be outside good on tackle if you
go draft young another tackle. I think the thing that
I've talked about is what they have to do is
either in free agency or you know, and the other
(29:46):
draft pick, you know, higher in the draft, since they'll
be picking high in the draft for the first time
in forever, They've got to get a speedball. They've got
to get a pass rusher that can throw a fastball.
They have to have it because everybody can sit back
and uh not be worried about losing the edge, and
that helps them. That really hurts their defense from being
as productive as I think they could be. So I
think that that's something that those two things, the right
(30:08):
tackle and finding us pass rusher are number one, number
two check checks for the Cancer Chiefs, and they.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Probably need new tight end right I mean, I mean
it feels close to time. I mean, it still can
be effective, but not as effective. Gonna have to find
an air apparent there as well, but can't do anything
you can't protect on the right side as well. That's
obviously the priority. Mark great stuff. Happy holidays, Toe you
merk Christmas. Thanks for being our guests. We'll talk to
(30:34):
you soon.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
You bet enjoy the games. Of Freaking Doug.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Doug gott Leeb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app A reminder,
the podcast version of the show is available at the
top of the third hour. So we go two hours,
then hand up to Covino and Rich. We have an
extra podcast. It's called in the Bonus, and uh yeah,
we talk a lot of ish in the Bonus. It's
a little bit, little bit different than the radio show.
(31:07):
Jason does it with no clothes on. I think it's inappropriate,
but I'm not in the same studio, so it doesn't
bother me. Let's get to a game with Dan Byer.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Dan Byro, what's the game today, my friend Doug.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
The game today is I Got DIBs? All right, we
start out Philip Rivers memories. Yes, your favorite memory or
memory that stands out the most Philip Rivers memories.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
In three two one go I got DIBs. I'm playing
in the AFC Championship game with a torn aclh. If
we remember that game where they were beaten by the
New England Patriots after beating Nneapolis Colts on the road.
Ledanian Thomlinson did not play with a spray knee granted
position where he needed to be way more explosive than
(32:03):
Philip Rivers. But Rivers played in the town acl Laedanian
Thomason didn't play. And here's the shocker. The Chargers lost
to the Patriots.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I got divs. I got divs. On another playoff moment,
it was later in his wife. He was thirty years
old and he was playing the Ravens in a playoff game,
and he remember scrambled for nine yards, got the first down,
got his clock cleaned, and then he got up and
he did that very awkward old white guy head nod
first down motion. I think he set out towards that
(32:33):
he became a five year old again. He never scrambled.
He's not mobile. And that was I remember that moment.
That was a good one.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
Was that was that twenty eighteen because they did have
a playoff win for the eighty nineteen Well, I'm looking
at twenty eighteen as a wonderful season for Philip Rivers
and the Chargers. They went twelve and four, They did
beat the Ravens in the playoff. They lost to the
Patriots eventually, but they had a couple of close wins
San Francisco, Tennessee, and Pittsburgh. But the one that stands
out was a one point win over the Chiefs in
(33:02):
Week fifteen. It was just a joy to watch. I remember,
and he was at NC State. They played Ohio State
in a shootout in two thousand and three, went to overtime.
Ohio State ultimately got the win, but it was an
up and down affair between the Buckeyes and Wolfpack.
Speaker 7 (33:20):
I also remember the time where he made Doug. I
think you've talked about this, how Philip Rivers makes you
feel like your best friends. Sure, and so at the
training camp. I remember when we had him on a
broadcast years back and joined the show.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
No people would go like, well, you and Philip must
like hang out together like no, man, literally, No, he
just makes has that way, has that way.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
He didn't do many interviews. He wasn't he didn't make
himself available, but when he did show up, he was
like the greatest guy in the world.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
It was one of those things.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, it was crazy, all right.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Cut him on the heels of Philip Rivers. By the way,
just got an alert that Riley Leonard is off the
injury report for the Colts, so he would be available,
but we don't know. Shane Stikeen is not named the
starter yet for Sunday's game in Seattle for Indianapolis. But
on the heels of the Philip Rivers conversation, how about
old quarterbacks in general? Just old guys. You remember playing
(34:15):
quarterback coming down in three two one go. Vinny Testaverdi
was around for a long time. Ever ever ever could
still throw it, and his better years were in his
later years.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
Remember he was more of a laughing stock in his
early years with the Buccaneers.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
They were terrible.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Yeah yeah, but then almost led the Jets and then yes.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Yeah, great call, really good one warm moon ah yes,
and I bet war Moon right now can still throw
one of those spirals at the ball, Like looked longer
when he threw it. It's such an incredibly tight spiral.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I got divs on Brett Favre Viking years. So two
thousand and nine, I think he had one of his
best seasons he ever had led the Vikings seal at
the NFC Championship Game. I want to say or something else.
And then the following season was just pathetic. I want
to say the last game he ever played was getting
(35:14):
his ass kicked for four quarters to the Saints. Am I.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
No this? He lost? He lost the Saints in the
Bounty year in the in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
Right.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
The next year he came back. He retired, and then
they famously sent the private plane down there with three
players and he came back in the Nike hat that
looked like it had that was like the one hat
every day mowing. And what I remember about that year
was his streak. Because he got hurt, his streak ended,
and then the Metrodome actually collapsed from too much snow.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
It was like.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Completely appropriate, like things that never happened. Brett fare misses
a start and the Metrodome actually the dome collapsed snow?
Speaker 5 (36:01):
All right? Final topic?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
Are we good on old quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Can do old domes?
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Doug?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
You had ward domes?
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Warn moon can still throw a football over them mountains?
How much you want to make a bet?
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I can throw a football over them mountains? Good? Pretty good?
What else got dan virus?
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Final one?
Speaker 7 (36:21):
Christmas Time activity? Christmas Time activity? I got DIBs on
wrapping presents. All right, the stress is over of having
to find gifts. Wrapping presence is something I usually do
while having some alcoholic beverages. Maybe you're listening to some
music and you're really winding down. You're like, man, the
fruit of my labor is here, it's done, and I
(36:41):
can't wait for people.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
No, I'm terrible. It looks like it looks like metal wreckage.
It looks like something wrapped in metal.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
When when my kids were little, my job was to
put all the do all the heavy lifting stuff. I
did all the bias, obviously, the supplying and the heavy
lifting stuff, and then she did all the rapping. I
did none of the wrapping.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Women.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yes, it's it's it's almost like that's like what's taught
to When did they bring them? Pull them a cycle?
Here's a you wrap The guy can't do it, and
I would watch I would watch Diehard when that would happen.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
So I like Christmas lights, like checking out Christmas lights.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I like Christmas music within reasons, especially time.
Speaker 8 (37:31):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
All right, Well, Sun Moore's got some different Christmas time
activities we'll discuss next in the Doug Gottlib Show. You're
on Fox Sports Radio.
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