September 13, 2024 • 36 mins
Doug gives his opinion of what Tua Tagovailoa should do next as he suffered a bad concussion on Thursday night. Doug and the crew predict what the Dolphins will do next at quarterback. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of I GOT DIBBS.
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all right, I'm gonna play fretty bunch of sound. We'll
talk about it a lot, and I'm gonna tell you
a couple of things which we all know are true,
even if we won't want to admit it. And uh,
it's all revolving around to a tongue of byloa who
on four actually got a concussion last night as part
of the loss by the Miami Dolphins to the Buffalo Bills.
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It should be pointed out and this has nothing to
do with the decision that he'll have to make or
he and his team will have to make in regards
to what his future looks like. It should be pointed out, though,
that I've never been a to a guy in the
NFL in terms of his I just don't think his
ceilings that high. And I you know, I remember it
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was like a year and a half ago or a
year and three quarters ago when Emmanuel Acho was on
Fox Sports one saying that that Justin Herbert was a
what was it, social media quarterback or something, and that
to a tongue of Biloa was actually like an MVP candidate.
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I went to the game, and if you watch the
two those two men play quarterback, and you think there's
any way of comparing to a tongue of Bioloa was
with with Justin Herbert, and I don't know what you're watching,
but he's widely regarded as an incredible human being. And
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remember he's been kind of a sympathetic figure this year,
considering how he relayed that Brian Floor as their former
head coach treated him. So Two was the guy who
came in off the bench and won the National Championship Game.
Two was the guy who was seen is better than
Jalen Hurts, and so Jalen Hurts had to leave. Tua
was the guy that the league won to tank for.
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Two was the guy who in some ways was in
many ways is the reason Brian Flores was fired because
he didn't buy into Tua and the way he treated
toa and the rest of the front office saw that,
and they of course wanted to draft Tua and they did.
And so you're basically saying all your opinions stink. And
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now two is the guy who has a decision to
make whether or not he's gonna return to the Nation
Football League this year or ever. Ever. Here's Mike McDaniel
when he talked to reporters this morning about the quarterback future.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I totally understand it, and it's not misplaced. I totally
get how that's where people want to go to. I
just wish that people would for seconds hear what I'm
saying that bringing up his future is not the best
interest of him.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Hmm. Here's he was asked about the quarterback's future, so
is Mantiteya. Longtime friend of two of them, Amber Mantitea
now has joined Good Morning Football in the NFL network.
Here's what he had to say this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
After he suffered the one against the Bengals. I wanted
him to walk that when I saw him have to
be carted off the field. Yeah, I wanted him.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
To walk like that was mh yep, that was hard, bro.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like what people have to understand is this is just
a game, you know, and then there's a life. And
when you watch when you watch a young man that
you've known since she was a little boy go out there,
you know.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, is hard?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Is it hard for me?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
But I can't imagine how it is for Uncle Naglu
and Auntie Diana to watch their son again go down.
And you know, khalais mentioned it was so good to
watch him stand up for somebody that's been in that
situation where I've had a concussion. I don't even know
if two is there as he's walking off the field,
Like there's been clips of me after concussions getting off
the ground and walking off the stadium, walking into the
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locker room. I don't remember those walks.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I get it, but I'd also point out, this is
what we're doing with all of this, and it's very
natural to do. It is we're putting ourselves in the
shoes of two a tongue of by law. We're living
our own life through to it. When this is totally
you know, I'm not saying that Mantai didn't have concussions
and any of this stuffs made up, not in any way.
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But I don't know if that's the experience of to
a tongue of bayoloa. I don't Here's Antonio Pierce, of course,
another former linebacker in the NFL, because the Raiders head
coach talking about to his future.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I'll be honest, I'll just suddenly retire. It's not worth it.
It's not worth to play the game. I haven't witnessed
anything like I've seen. This happened to him three times.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Scary.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You can see right away the players faces on the field.
You can see the sense urgency from everybody to get
to a help. I just think it at some point,
you know, he don't live longer, and he's don't play football,
take care of your family.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So it does feel like again you have football players
and former football players saying like, what are you doing here?
Plus he just signed the new contract, which would be settled.
But I also know that one of the things that
has made football players different is they've known this, they've
known what could happen, and they've still gone and done
it anyway. I mean running a lot cut off part
of his fingers so he could play in a playoff game,
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Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So I don't know. My big thing is I don't
think we can insert ourselves, our own lives, our own thoughts,
our own dreams, our own wishes, or what we think
he should do into his life. I think we just
got to let him handle that one. Well. It's true
former football players, good friends can get good advice. My
guess is he didn't play the rest this year. That's
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my guess. In times of retirement. I don't think he
makes that decision in the short term. I think it
becomes a decision that's made further down the road, and
there's a strong possibility he does shut it down. Could
he try to come back one more time? Maybe maybe
and make it about and you know when he comes back,
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he'd make it about the Dolphins. They're belief in him
giving him the contract despite the fact this could happen.
But this was also one of the reasons that people said,
don't give that contract. Dan Byer, what would you do?
You're to a tongue of Bailoa. You have a really
good team. And here's the thing. If you say, well
the doctors tell him. If you want to find a
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doctor that can make that can make it so that
you can play, you will find a doctor. You will
find a doctor. If you want to find a doctor
that says you should never play, you will find a doctor.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Byer, what do you think, Well, there's a couple of things.
And I may not be taking this head on to
what you're you're asking, but because as he said, all
of this is speculation on what we think is going
to happen.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
What would I do with Tua, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
I can't even can't even fathom a guess on it.
But what I do know is he can't protect himself
right now. That play last night was so avoidable, absolutely avoidable,
and you would hope that after last season, in trying
to manage a season where there wasn't that big injury,
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he was able to make it through that we didn't
see this again, that may we Tuo actually learned from it.
I'm not trying to blame him for it, but last
night didn't have to happen. Last year was an example
of how you can get through the season in maybe
trying to protect yourself in certain ways because the year prior,
there were what three instances where you know, the first
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game they had against the Bills in twenty twenty two,
the obvious one that Mantaiteya was just talking about with Cincinnati,
and then there was the Christmas Day Packers game where
he also suffered that that concussion. So I thought that
maybe Tua learned and figured out a way to do so.
But if you can't protect yourself, let alone anybody else
on your team, yeah, I don't know if I'd want
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to play anymore. And that may be the reason why
Tua wants to play, because he still thinks he can,
but he's the one that's hurting himself.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Last night did not.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Have to happen case too. What do you think?
Speaker 8 (08:55):
Yeah, I think I was. I thought the exact same
thing that Danton and I think this should be big
into his decision or whoever's going to make the decision
for him because I think there is a legitimate question
of whether or not you should allow him to make
the decision if his head is scrambled multiple times, is
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he of the right mind to make a decision like this,
and that that thing where he can't protect himself should
be baked into this decision. You know, anybody else that
has had multiple concussions, you have a decision to make
about your future. But there's a history now of him
not being able to protect himself, and I think that
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that that is a part, a big part of this.
I just I did not see any reason for doing
what he did last night. Right, he had already gotten
the first down. There's just no reason to not slide there.
And if, like Dan says, if he was making these
decisions last year and he was going fine, I don't
know why he decided to do that last night. And
(09:59):
I I'm going to use this example from a personal standpoint.
My son has balance isshoes. He's on the spectrum and
he has balance issues, and he does a lot of
athletic things, but inevitably he falls. He's broken the exact
same elbow five times. It's it's a miserable situation that
I can't stand and I hate seeing him go through this,
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but he breaks his fall, he breaks his elbow, and
if I'm to his parents, I'm in the same shoes.
He obviously can't protect himself.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Sam, So after he did like the martial arts trending
to help, you know, buffer his falls and stuff or
soften the blows of his falls. You know, he had
a clean year last year. But my question is like,
did we really think this wouldn't happen again. I mean,
if he's going to play you know, ten to fifteen
years in the NFL, of course it's going to happen again.
I was thinking this last night that if he does
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decide to continue his career after sitting out, I don't know,
half the season or the full season, maybe comes back
next year. He should be the first guy to really
celebrate and sport the you know, the Guardian cap, and
we should celebrate it. And there's nothing nothing at all
that's unmanly or woosy about protecting your brain. Yeah, he's
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gonna look like Marvin the Martian out there, but I
think that all these guys are gonna end up wearing
these at some point, So he could be the first
quarterback in the NFL to really celebrate it and sport it.
And he has to show us there's gonna be a
lot of pressure on him from the outside. He has
to show us that he's trying to protect his brain safety.
So if he does continue his career, that's totally up
to him. I agree with Jason that maybe it's not
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completely his decision, but I do think at the end
of the day, if he wants to continue his career,
he should be the one to decide that. But he
needs to he needs to protect protect himself more with
actual materials in the.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Future, no question, no question, he's gonna ultimately he'll have
to make the call, but you know there'll be a
steady amount of pressure. And look, you heard that from
Anti Tayou. I have no doubt that he's getting to
get a ton of pressure from people close to him
to shut it down. But I thought all of you
guys made the really good point. While you look yesterday,
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it wasn't like it was a direct helmet to helmet hit.
It wasn't some violent, violent collision, and that only shows
where he is now in that it doesn't take a lot.
And again, this is kind of classic multiple concussions where
the more you have, the easier it is to get
the next one, and with every next one it becomes
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more damaging. And then we haven't even gotten to Like,
it's not like you can tell people to stop tackling him.
Eventually he'll get tackled and his head will hit the dirt.
And his head hits the dirt, it feels like it's
the autoconcussion. So I think we all know what the
decision will ultimately be. It's just a question of how
long will it take him to get there and will
he try it one more time before he does? Does
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that make sense?
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Does that?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean I just feel like that, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
You know, I love that pointed up that at some
point this was probably going to happen again and again.
And this happened again in a nationally televised game, you know,
the standalone game, and the visual aspect of the of
the hits is jarring.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
It really is.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
I have one more thing. It just looked like he
reverted back to bad habits. He was they were down
thirty one to ten, he was going to pick up
a first down. So instead of like Mahomes is always
so conscious of his body and like where he is
on the field and like what he's going to do next.
And I feel like Tua in that moment was desperate
just to get them to score. So he kind of
sloppily goes out running and then just goes barreling into
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DeMar Hamlin head first, and he just all of the
things he learned last year with the martial arts training
just went out the window. And so it's like guys
sometimes are desperate, they lose control of their bodies. They're
just trying to get a first down or score a touchdown,
and they don't think about like the physics of it,
and he ended up really hurting himself.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, it's called game slippage, Sam, where you result you
you know you you regress to the mean. That's really
what happens. You regress to the mean. It's sad. It
just it just is because by all accounts, really good dude.
And yeah, he had had some sympathy a lot of
people because of how he said Brian Flora has treated him.
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But there's also the football reality to it, which is
this is why so many people told the Dolphins, like,
don't give him some big long term deal. Now there
are some injury stuff and you if he retires, you
can get it off the books. Whatever. But that was
that that's not pretty. And how about the fact this
is Damar Hamlin.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like all people poetry poetry.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
It was super ironic that it's Damar Hamlin of all
people who makes just an innocuous tackle and ends up
believing in the concussion.
Speaker 9 (14:51):
Yeah, there's nothing at all. Like his tackle was just
like him putting his body in the way of Tua
to stop him from progressing. So it's like, you know,
there's nothing, yeah, no, nothing it all. It was Tua running
his head first into tomorrow. It was just a bad,
bad situation.
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and telling us he a little bit, a little bit
busy happens. You know, I got a funny story for
you guys. My son is his favorite artists music artists
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are He loves Playboy, Cardi and Ken Carson. Playboy, Cardi
and Ken Carson and so Playboy Carti apparently. So he
texts me this morning at five in the morning, Dad,
Cardi dropped a new one today. So I'm like, okay,
tell me what songs I should download and he just
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starts doing laughing emojis and clown emojis. I got clowned
by my son today and he's like, it's only one song?
So am I wrong to think? Usually when you drop something,
you drop an album, not one song. Jay, Still am
I the idiot here?
Speaker 8 (16:17):
Well, let me tell you what I thought. As soon
as you said that, I thought it's a single. He
dropped a single today, so that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Hm.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
I don't know if it warrants multiple laughing emojis. That
seemed ultiple.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Laughing emojis, multiple laughing emojis. And it's crazy because like
I took him to a Playboy Cardi concert this summer.
Like I'm the hippus dad. There is there any anybody
like you think if he walks down the halls of
his high school, there's any other dads that that got
VIP passes and went to Playboy Cardi concert with their
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son this summer? No? Why am I getting clown for that?
Why am I getting clowned for it.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
You know how kids are, Dougley, They'll they'll turn a
little little molehill into him mountain just to have fun
at your expense.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just I felt like I made a massive faux
pa this morning, Like, dude, relax. Can we point out
the fact that while all the conversation is about Tua,
the Bills look really good and they dismantled the Dolphins.
Now the interesting part is, and again I'm not I
don't have I don't come from any place of knowledge
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on what happens with Tua the rest of the season. None. Okay,
I'm not saying I didn't talk to any insiders. I
don't care because they're gonna be super, super cautious. I would.
I believe it's probably the last game he plays this season.
So now you're like, okay, we got to find a quarterback.
So I'm just a little pop quiz guys, what do
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you think the how do you think they find the
pool for quarterbacks to replace Tua in Miami?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Pop quiz?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Hot shot?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Perfect drop for that situation.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It was a perfect drop. Well done, Sam. Now you
have to answer the question.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Someone on Twitter floated out, why don't you get Ryan
tanneheill down there again. Obviously he didn't play under Mike McDaniel,
but right he's available.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I saw Mark Slayer this morning say Russell Wilson, No,
you have to have somebody who's played in the Shanahan system.
The crazy part about it is the guy who would
get that gig. I believe. I believe if it wasn't
if if JJ McCarthy was healthy, I think they'd have
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Sam Donald there like this would be like Sam Donald
one on one.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
How about the Rams current backup?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, so I think again, I would guess that one
of the guys that would at least be in consideration.
Wouldn't Garoppolo get a call? He knows that system, played
in the system. Now he's off injured too, But you
want to pay a bunch of money so he gets hurt,
you get other one. You know, you could always get
another quarterback. I think byer like who else have to
I believe you have to know the Shanahan system. If
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you played for Mike McDaniel as well, even better. So
go back to who is on that roster in San
Francisco back when you know Garoppolo was was the quarterback.
I think that's the first call they make, but who else.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
I here's my point in all of this, Because Ryan
Tannehill's name has been thrown around a lot. I don't
say give up after two games, and it's fun to
put names in places like Russell Wilson and stuff like that,
and Jimmy Garoppolo's scenario would make sense. But if you're
the Miami Dolphins right now, and you saw what you've
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seen in the first two games of this season, the
first seven quarters of the season, why in the world
would you want to give up any draft capital to
try to save this season right now? I'm not saying
punt and tank and end it. But this was a
team that made it to the playoffs last year and
played the first two games gran against teams that we
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think should compete for.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
A playoff berth.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
But they were a Travis etn fumble away from being
down twenty four to seven against Jacksonville and likely being
out of that game. And there was really no point
last night where I felt that the Dolphins were in
a good spot against the Buffalo Bills. And I think
that that's more of the conversation in a bigger picture,
which may be callous to Tua, but really of to
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a getting the extension and this is the team that
you've got. There are holes on defense, but there are
names on defense that you know. The Dolphins have five
players that are currently in the top one hundred salaries
in the NFL, tied for second in the NFL with
like six other teams. But they're paying all these guys
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and that's what they're maxing out as so, whether at
b Ryan Tannehill, whether it be Russell Wilson, whether it
be Jimmy Garoppolo. It's fun to talk about the possibilities,
but I just don't think they're gonna.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Be a football team.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Hmm, well, I think this is this is me, Dan,
I hear you, because they weren't really impressive last week
and they got embarrassed this week. But Radion and the
tool injury, Like for if you didn't watch the game,
Tua was not very good and yeah, they were just awful,
completely ineffective before that and then he got hurt, which
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we're not and just so we're aware, Dan, like we're
not like rubbing it in. We're trying to tell the
story in case you missed the game and watch the game,
going wow, this is way worse. Like I knew, as
we discussed yesterday, not having the afternoon sun on the
Bills took away some of the superpower from the Dolphins.
But like it wasn't really competitive. I thought maybe it's
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a shootout when I was seven to seven. Then all
of a sudden, they're like, wow, they can't really.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Move the ball correct.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But I also know that kind of like it really
bothers Jay. But most of the league believes that just
like Cincinnati, don't freak out. It is those first four
games like extended preseason. They do still have some players.
And remember, I think this is the biggest thing. It's like,
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do you guys remember when we used to ask for
directions to go places? Sam may not be old enough.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
No.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
I used to write like going map quest and then
write stuff down if I didn't have a printer.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I absolutely remember that I used to use maps.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And we talked about this couple weeks ago because I
couldn't remember Thomas guides. Do you guys ever remember Thomas guide?
If you're in Las aie, if you grew up in
southern California, you remember a Thomas Brother's guide. Jay s
dou I know you've had you had one, there's no question,
right of course, Okay, and anyway, the point is that
for our lifetime, a stereotype of men is that we
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were the ones that wouldn't ask for directions. Right. The
way is that because it's a pride thing, it's an
ego thing. You don't want to feel like you don't
know where you're going. Well, I think the same thing
here of the Dolphins brass, like they don't want to
be told, hey, your team's not that good, Like, no,
we built that team. We think it was a super
Bowl team, and now we just lost a quarterback who
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although very good. Like the magic to this, part of
the magic to this system, the Shanahan system is yes,
you if you have a great quarterback like when you
had John Elway, when you have others, you can be great.
But you can turn a rock party into a star
if they just get the ball where the offense determines
and the defense says it should go. So the point is, Dan,
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I think you're more right than wrong. I think I
don't think they're nearly as good as reputation would lead
you to believe. But the Dolphins brass doesn't agree with that, right, Yeah,
they think they're gonna be good. Well, sure, that's why,
that's why they'll go when they move. And I don't
know how much draft capital you need to go get
a Jimmy Garoppolo, right, I don't know if that much
draft capital.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Yeah, I have no idea either. I am not sure
and how much the Rams would value or anybody else
would value. There's also a team that has stuck with
Skyler Thompson, who ended up playing in place of Tua
in that wild Card game a couple of years ago
that they had in Buffalo, so they're obviously familiar with him.
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Last night, in the short amount that he played, I
think left a lot to be desired. Maybe that changes,
but it's just more shocking to me. And the reason
I bring it up this way, Doug, is because I
think it sounds callous to have this conversation. But if
Tua doesn't get knocked out of the game of the concussion,
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and I think one of the reasons why he couldn't
protect himself was because he was so awful in the
first half. And when you throw that last pick six,
when you're just throwing it away, that is the definition
of trying to do too much. And so then on
the drive where you're trying to score and scramble and
get every single yard you can. That is also a
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perfect example of trying to do too much.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Like TWOA is feeling some of.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
The heat and your point of the Dolphins being a
team where Okay, Tua maybe doesn't have the biggest ceiling
of the world. They're not equipped right now to be,
you know, a great team. You don't have Bradley Chubb
fully healthy. I don't think they have as good of
a pass rush as they did last year. The running
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game does not seem as dynamic as it has been
in the past. Although Han got a lot of work,
most of it was out last night. There's just a
lot off with them. And I actually think if Tua
doesn't get hurt, we are having the Tua contract discussion today,
and where the Dolphins are as an organization, I.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Don't think there's any question about that. None that we
were having. We'd be having to a contract discussion today.
That's what I was prepared to when I watched the
first two interceptions. Second, I wass I was I was
self patting, that, I was self padding, yep, do.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
It, and this go ahead.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
I was just gonna say one other thing, and this
was a team that was set up with greatness for
all of their first round picks that they had for years,
and one of them ended up being forfeited. Maybe they
haven't cashed in as well as they would have hoped
on the other ones, but man, like, this was a
team that you know, they ship Laramie Tunzel to the
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to the Texans in a deal like they were kind
of scaling stuff down. We're like, what are the Dolphins doing?
And you have all these draft picks and now you
look at what this team is right now, and I
just am like, I think Mike McDaniel's a good coach.
I think people look at his record and be like, well,
I don't know how great of a coach he is,
but if he's going to emulate what Kyle Shanahan has done,
they try to be the forty nine Ers of the East,
(26:54):
but they're just nowhere near personnel wise or anything with
what the forty nine ers do outside of a big
play from Tyreek Hill and maybe to a throw in
the football, but that seems about it right now.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, I do think the mcgannel thing is interesting, right, Like,
I like him, but there's some of the stuff he
does where you're like you're driving a Bentley and it's
a little it's just there's a little part of me.
It says he's feeling himself a little bit more than
maybe the actual record or the actual job says you
(27:27):
should be in the in the NFL, and the public
facing part about being all about the players may not
be what it's really like. I could be wrong, but
they got this is a big issue. Right You waited
thirty thirty five years to find a quarterback to replace
Dan Marino. This is the guy you picked. I didn't
think he was that good. But now you may be
(27:47):
right back in that same situation. Oh yeah, by the way,
because you locked in on that contract, then you had
to shed some other ones and now becomes kind of
house of cards. So now you're coach. When you deal
with backup quarterbacks, are going to reach out and trade
for Garoppolo if that happens. Whatever. Now we find out
that's what's called coaching. Lots of dudes can run out
(28:09):
there with your ones when you have the fastest you
in the NFL and get rid of it quick and
score some points.
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Speaker 10 (29:07):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Buyer, What you got, Bud, Doug?
Speaker 10 (29:17):
The game today is I got DIBs?
Speaker 6 (29:20):
All right again?
Speaker 7 (29:21):
The rules are I throw out a topic and everyone's
just supposed to jump in as quickly as they can.
It is not an order sort of thing. You just
take what you want. If there's something you like, grab it.
The first topic of discussion on I got DIBs NFL
teams that are already out of it this season.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
I got, I got tips. I think Jason was in first.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Thanks Dan, I'll take it from here. Uh, Tennessee Titans.
I'm gonna go Tennessee Titans. By the look on Dan's face,
I took his team.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He did.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Yeah, they're miserable. They they what was it called allowed
a victory to escape the jaws of defeat or the
other way.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Around, grab defeat from the jaws of victory.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Awful game yesterday or last week and they should have
won it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So why are they They're in a division which is winnable.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
I know, but that quarterback play is horrible. Uh they
got the most forgettable, whitest head coach in the NFL
for those reasons.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, Uh, New York Giants. I got dibbs in New
York Giants. They stink. They sting. And Daniel Jones, I
don't think he's this bad. I think his confidence is
clearly shaken. But they are not a good football team.
I got DIBs in the New York Times.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
I got DIBs on the Panthers. I think that's yeah, Sammy,
they were there for you. It was the third pick.
I got the Panthers. Don't chinx my Chargers, Sam went in.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Yeah, I had Giants, Titans, Panthers in my fourth team.
I'll take DIBs on the Raiders. Not a lot of expected.
I'm not going to say the Patriots because they got
off to a one to know start inexplicably, but the Raiders,
they were not not a lot of it was expected
of them in the preseason, before the season started, and
they opened up with a loss to the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yep, I actually agree with I like all those picks.
I things are the one that I'm like the most
questioning because I actually they actually look decent.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
They lead.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm sorry, by I was.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Just gonna say, no, Raider Nation. It's at Iowa, Sam
ninety nine. Sorry, And what is your license plate so
if they see you on the LA freeways they can
track you down?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I A S A M nine to nine.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Oh, it was only halfway, jockey, Jockey, I was on
halfway joking.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, now all you have to worry about you don't
have to worry about the Raider fans listen to the
radio because I've been told they can no longer get
radio or internet radio in prisons. So you're good.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Deserving snare dron. That was good, but I was halfway.
I'm joking though. Don't chinks my chargers. They're my survivor
pick and a very expensive survivor pool. This weekend against Panthers.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
All right, fingers crossed for the Bolts this weekend against
Carolina cross Country early kick a couple of those Seattle's
in the same scenario. Raiders are in the same scenario
against the Ravens.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
All Right.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
College football teams that you're sick of is topic number two?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I got dims on Colorado.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
Oh good, Okay, there's only there's really only one answer,
like that really pops off of the board, and it's Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I love sick of Colorado. I want to see them
get their asses kicked against.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
You're sick of them, and you want to see them.
You know, you can be sick of them and be like, okay,
I want to get see him.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No sick when like I just I cannot, I can't,
I can't do it.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
I think there's so many teams in college football, Like,
I looked through all the games and I'm like, you
know what, there's not really a team that rubs me
the wrong way. Colorado is the only team that really does.
So yeah, I took Colorado, but you guys, I'm all
ears okay.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
I oh, you know, I'm sick of Michigan twenty four
having three sixty five.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
So that's that.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Well, plus it like they're a shell of who they
used to, Like I do you think Texas acting like
they beat we beat we beat depending champs, Like it's
like not even close to the same group.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
What do we I'm.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Gonna say Alabama on this and I know they're on
Fox tomorrow against Wisconsin. Yes, the school I attended, But
it's it's more about the why.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Aren't you coming? That's like the biggest game ever out here?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You gotta be there?
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Done?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No, that's three hour drive.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I'm good. Yeah I was. I was.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
You know, I was back home two weeks ago. So
it's yeah, it just doesn't doesn't work out. But I
just it's more about honoring Nick Saban and what he's done.
Like I think that there needs to be a drop
off of Alabama hype and fervor if you will without
Nick Saban. And I still think that they're getting a
lot of the Alabama benefits without Nick Saban being there.
(33:54):
So I'm gonna say Alabama any.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Other ones I'm gonna go. Oh, this seems too easy
for me. It's easy. Yeah. Who do you think I'm
gonna be.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Sick of Oklahoma?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah? Yep, yeah, I mean they haven't. They were better
last year under Brent Vnables, but they weren't good and
struggled to take down Houston this past week. They got
Tulane upcoming this weekend. Then they got Tennessee, Auburn, Texas,
South Carolina, Ole, miss at Missouri Alabama. LS, you ain't
(34:31):
gonna get slaughtered and it's gonna be beautiful. But like
we're acting like Bob Stoops is still the coach or
even Lincoln Riley like this scrou pasan't showed me, and
they're in a much more difficult league. I just Oklahoma.
I'm done.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
I'm good, all right. Final one.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
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the joke as the.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Bulls, though, this is a real question. I know you
like the garden. Do you like the weed eat?
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Sure? I think it did its purpose.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I think they got so much more mileage out of
that than anybody could have ever dreamed of, which is
the whole point of putting your name on a on
a bowl game or on a stadium. So I'm going
the pulling weed Eater.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Is the most annoying or the one you're done with?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Is that just popular?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
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Speaker 9 (35:35):
I'm going to take dibbs on North Carolina State having
Duke's Mayo the emblem on their field.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
I like that, ye.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I like when Providence used to play there. Rena used
to be the dunkin Donuts Center. I used to love that,
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all right, I'm gonna play fretty bunch of sound. We'll
talk about it a lot, and I'm gonna tell you
a couple of things which we all know are true,
even if we won't want to admit it. And uh,
it's all revolving around to a tongue of byloa who
on four actually got a concussion last night as part
of the loss by the Miami Dolphins to the Buffalo Bills.
(01:09):
It should be pointed out and this has nothing to
do with the decision that he'll have to make or
he and his team will have to make in regards
to what his future looks like. It should be pointed out, though,
that I've never been a to a guy in the
NFL in terms of his I just don't think his
ceilings that high. And I you know, I remember it
(01:32):
was like a year and a half ago or a
year and three quarters ago when Emmanuel Acho was on
Fox Sports one saying that that Justin Herbert was a
what was it, social media quarterback or something, and that
to a tongue of Biloa was actually like an MVP candidate.
(01:53):
I went to the game, and if you watch the
two those two men play quarterback, and you think there's
any way of comparing to a tongue of Bioloa was
with with Justin Herbert, and I don't know what you're watching,
but he's widely regarded as an incredible human being. And
(02:14):
remember he's been kind of a sympathetic figure this year,
considering how he relayed that Brian Floor as their former
head coach treated him. So Two was the guy who
came in off the bench and won the National Championship Game.
Two was the guy who was seen is better than
Jalen Hurts, and so Jalen Hurts had to leave. Tua
was the guy that the league won to tank for.
(02:34):
Two was the guy who in some ways was in
many ways is the reason Brian Flores was fired because
he didn't buy into Tua and the way he treated
toa and the rest of the front office saw that,
and they of course wanted to draft Tua and they did.
And so you're basically saying all your opinions stink. And
(02:55):
now two is the guy who has a decision to
make whether or not he's gonna return to the Nation
Football League this year or ever. Ever. Here's Mike McDaniel
when he talked to reporters this morning about the quarterback future.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I totally understand it, and it's not misplaced. I totally
get how that's where people want to go to. I
just wish that people would for seconds hear what I'm
saying that bringing up his future is not the best
interest of him.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Hmm. Here's he was asked about the quarterback's future, so
is Mantiteya. Longtime friend of two of them, Amber Mantitea
now has joined Good Morning Football in the NFL network.
Here's what he had to say this morning.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
After he suffered the one against the Bengals. I wanted
him to walk that when I saw him have to
be carted off the field. Yeah, I wanted him.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
To walk like that was mh yep, that was hard, bro.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Like what people have to understand is this is just
a game, you know, and then there's a life. And
when you watch when you watch a young man that
you've known since she was a little boy go out there,
you know.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, is hard?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Is it hard for me?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (04:15):
But I can't imagine how it is for Uncle Naglu
and Auntie Diana to watch their son again go down.
And you know, khalais mentioned it was so good to
watch him stand up for somebody that's been in that
situation where I've had a concussion. I don't even know
if two is there as he's walking off the field,
Like there's been clips of me after concussions getting off
the ground and walking off the stadium, walking into the
(04:37):
locker room. I don't remember those walks.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I get it, but I'd also point out, this is
what we're doing with all of this, and it's very
natural to do. It is we're putting ourselves in the
shoes of two a tongue of by law. We're living
our own life through to it. When this is totally
you know, I'm not saying that Mantai didn't have concussions
and any of this stuffs made up, not in any way.
(05:03):
But I don't know if that's the experience of to
a tongue of bayoloa. I don't Here's Antonio Pierce, of course,
another former linebacker in the NFL, because the Raiders head
coach talking about to his future.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
I'll be honest, I'll just suddenly retire. It's not worth it.
It's not worth to play the game. I haven't witnessed
anything like I've seen. This happened to him three times.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
Scary.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
You can see right away the players faces on the field.
You can see the sense urgency from everybody to get
to a help. I just think it at some point,
you know, he don't live longer, and he's don't play football,
take care of your family.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
So it does feel like again you have football players
and former football players saying like, what are you doing here?
Plus he just signed the new contract, which would be settled.
But I also know that one of the things that
has made football players different is they've known this, they've
known what could happen, and they've still gone and done
it anyway. I mean running a lot cut off part
of his fingers so he could play in a playoff game,
(05:55):
Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 6 (05:57):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
So I don't know. My big thing is I don't
think we can insert ourselves, our own lives, our own thoughts,
our own dreams, our own wishes, or what we think
he should do into his life. I think we just
got to let him handle that one. Well. It's true
former football players, good friends can get good advice. My
guess is he didn't play the rest this year. That's
(06:22):
my guess. In times of retirement. I don't think he
makes that decision in the short term. I think it
becomes a decision that's made further down the road, and
there's a strong possibility he does shut it down. Could
he try to come back one more time? Maybe maybe
and make it about and you know when he comes back,
(06:43):
he'd make it about the Dolphins. They're belief in him
giving him the contract despite the fact this could happen.
But this was also one of the reasons that people said,
don't give that contract. Dan Byer, what would you do?
You're to a tongue of Bailoa. You have a really
good team. And here's the thing. If you say, well
the doctors tell him. If you want to find a
(07:04):
doctor that can make that can make it so that
you can play, you will find a doctor. You will
find a doctor. If you want to find a doctor
that says you should never play, you will find a doctor.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
Byer, what do you think, Well, there's a couple of things.
And I may not be taking this head on to
what you're you're asking, but because as he said, all
of this is speculation on what we think is going
to happen.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
What would I do with Tua, I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
I can't even can't even fathom a guess on it.
But what I do know is he can't protect himself
right now. That play last night was so avoidable, absolutely avoidable,
and you would hope that after last season, in trying
to manage a season where there wasn't that big injury,
(07:56):
he was able to make it through that we didn't
see this again, that may we Tuo actually learned from it.
I'm not trying to blame him for it, but last
night didn't have to happen. Last year was an example
of how you can get through the season in maybe
trying to protect yourself in certain ways because the year prior,
there were what three instances where you know, the first
(08:19):
game they had against the Bills in twenty twenty two,
the obvious one that Mantaiteya was just talking about with Cincinnati,
and then there was the Christmas Day Packers game where
he also suffered that that concussion. So I thought that
maybe Tua learned and figured out a way to do so.
But if you can't protect yourself, let alone anybody else
on your team, yeah, I don't know if I'd want
(08:41):
to play anymore. And that may be the reason why
Tua wants to play, because he still thinks he can,
but he's the one that's hurting himself.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
Last night did not.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Have to happen case too. What do you think?
Speaker 8 (08:55):
Yeah, I think I was. I thought the exact same
thing that Danton and I think this should be big
into his decision or whoever's going to make the decision
for him because I think there is a legitimate question
of whether or not you should allow him to make
the decision if his head is scrambled multiple times, is
(09:16):
he of the right mind to make a decision like this,
and that that thing where he can't protect himself should
be baked into this decision. You know, anybody else that
has had multiple concussions, you have a decision to make
about your future. But there's a history now of him
not being able to protect himself, and I think that
(09:36):
that that is a part, a big part of this.
I just I did not see any reason for doing
what he did last night. Right, he had already gotten
the first down. There's just no reason to not slide there.
And if, like Dan says, if he was making these
decisions last year and he was going fine, I don't
know why he decided to do that last night. And
(09:59):
I I'm going to use this example from a personal standpoint.
My son has balance isshoes. He's on the spectrum and
he has balance issues, and he does a lot of
athletic things, but inevitably he falls. He's broken the exact
same elbow five times. It's it's a miserable situation that
I can't stand and I hate seeing him go through this,
(10:22):
but he breaks his fall, he breaks his elbow, and
if I'm to his parents, I'm in the same shoes.
He obviously can't protect himself.
Speaker 9 (10:37):
Sam, So after he did like the martial arts trending
to help, you know, buffer his falls and stuff or
soften the blows of his falls. You know, he had
a clean year last year. But my question is like,
did we really think this wouldn't happen again. I mean,
if he's going to play you know, ten to fifteen
years in the NFL, of course it's going to happen again.
I was thinking this last night that if he does
(10:59):
decide to continue his career after sitting out, I don't know,
half the season or the full season, maybe comes back
next year. He should be the first guy to really
celebrate and sport the you know, the Guardian cap, and
we should celebrate it. And there's nothing nothing at all
that's unmanly or woosy about protecting your brain. Yeah, he's
(11:20):
gonna look like Marvin the Martian out there, but I
think that all these guys are gonna end up wearing
these at some point, So he could be the first
quarterback in the NFL to really celebrate it and sport it.
And he has to show us there's gonna be a
lot of pressure on him from the outside. He has
to show us that he's trying to protect his brain safety.
So if he does continue his career, that's totally up
to him. I agree with Jason that maybe it's not
(11:41):
completely his decision, but I do think at the end
of the day, if he wants to continue his career,
he should be the one to decide that. But he
needs to he needs to protect protect himself more with
actual materials in the.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Future, no question, no question, he's gonna ultimately he'll have
to make the call, but you know there'll be a
steady amount of pressure. And look, you heard that from
Anti Tayou. I have no doubt that he's getting to
get a ton of pressure from people close to him
to shut it down. But I thought all of you
guys made the really good point. While you look yesterday,
(12:14):
it wasn't like it was a direct helmet to helmet hit.
It wasn't some violent, violent collision, and that only shows
where he is now in that it doesn't take a lot.
And again, this is kind of classic multiple concussions where
the more you have, the easier it is to get
the next one, and with every next one it becomes
(12:34):
more damaging. And then we haven't even gotten to Like,
it's not like you can tell people to stop tackling him.
Eventually he'll get tackled and his head will hit the dirt.
And his head hits the dirt, it feels like it's
the autoconcussion. So I think we all know what the
decision will ultimately be. It's just a question of how
long will it take him to get there and will
he try it one more time before he does? Does
(12:55):
that make sense?
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Does that?
Speaker 1 (12:56):
I mean I just feel like that, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
You know, I love that pointed up that at some
point this was probably going to happen again and again.
And this happened again in a nationally televised game, you know,
the standalone game, and the visual aspect of the of
the hits is jarring.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
It really is.
Speaker 9 (13:19):
I have one more thing. It just looked like he
reverted back to bad habits. He was they were down
thirty one to ten, he was going to pick up
a first down. So instead of like Mahomes is always
so conscious of his body and like where he is
on the field and like what he's going to do next.
And I feel like Tua in that moment was desperate
just to get them to score. So he kind of
sloppily goes out running and then just goes barreling into
(13:41):
DeMar Hamlin head first, and he just all of the
things he learned last year with the martial arts training
just went out the window. And so it's like guys
sometimes are desperate, they lose control of their bodies. They're
just trying to get a first down or score a touchdown,
and they don't think about like the physics of it,
and he ended up really hurting himself.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Yeah, it's called game slippage, Sam, where you result you
you know you you regress to the mean. That's really
what happens. You regress to the mean. It's sad. It
just it just is because by all accounts, really good dude.
And yeah, he had had some sympathy a lot of
people because of how he said Brian Flora has treated him.
(14:22):
But there's also the football reality to it, which is
this is why so many people told the Dolphins, like,
don't give him some big long term deal. Now there
are some injury stuff and you if he retires, you
can get it off the books. Whatever. But that was
that that's not pretty. And how about the fact this
is Damar Hamlin.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like all people poetry poetry.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
It was super ironic that it's Damar Hamlin of all
people who makes just an innocuous tackle and ends up
believing in the concussion.
Speaker 9 (14:51):
Yeah, there's nothing at all. Like his tackle was just
like him putting his body in the way of Tua
to stop him from progressing. So it's like, you know,
there's nothing, yeah, no, nothing it all. It was Tua running
his head first into tomorrow. It was just a bad,
bad situation.
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(15:39):
are He loves Playboy, Cardi and Ken Carson. Playboy, Cardi
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tell me what songs I should download and he just
(16:03):
starts doing laughing emojis and clown emojis. I got clowned
by my son today and he's like, it's only one song?
So am I wrong to think? Usually when you drop something,
you drop an album, not one song. Jay, Still am
I the idiot here?
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Well, let me tell you what I thought. As soon
as you said that, I thought it's a single. He
dropped a single today, so that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Hm.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
I don't know if it warrants multiple laughing emojis. That
seemed ultiple.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Laughing emojis, multiple laughing emojis. And it's crazy because like
I took him to a Playboy Cardi concert this summer.
Like I'm the hippus dad. There is there any anybody
like you think if he walks down the halls of
his high school, there's any other dads that that got
VIP passes and went to Playboy Cardi concert with their
(16:50):
son this summer? No? Why am I getting clown for that?
Why am I getting clowned for it.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
You know how kids are, Dougley, They'll they'll turn a
little little molehill into him mountain just to have fun
at your expense.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just I felt like I made a massive faux
pa this morning, Like, dude, relax. Can we point out
the fact that while all the conversation is about Tua,
the Bills look really good and they dismantled the Dolphins.
Now the interesting part is, and again I'm not I
don't have I don't come from any place of knowledge
(17:23):
on what happens with Tua the rest of the season. None. Okay,
I'm not saying I didn't talk to any insiders. I
don't care because they're gonna be super, super cautious. I would.
I believe it's probably the last game he plays this season.
So now you're like, okay, we got to find a quarterback.
So I'm just a little pop quiz guys, what do
(17:47):
you think the how do you think they find the
pool for quarterbacks to replace Tua in Miami?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Pop quiz?
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Hot shot?
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Perfect drop for that situation.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It was a perfect drop. Well done, Sam. Now you
have to answer the question.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Someone on Twitter floated out, why don't you get Ryan
tanneheill down there again. Obviously he didn't play under Mike McDaniel,
but right he's available.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I saw Mark Slayer this morning say Russell Wilson, No,
you have to have somebody who's played in the Shanahan system.
The crazy part about it is the guy who would
get that gig. I believe. I believe if it wasn't
if if JJ McCarthy was healthy, I think they'd have
(18:34):
Sam Donald there like this would be like Sam Donald
one on one.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
How about the Rams current backup?
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, so I think again, I would guess that one
of the guys that would at least be in consideration.
Wouldn't Garoppolo get a call? He knows that system, played
in the system. Now he's off injured too, But you
want to pay a bunch of money so he gets hurt,
you get other one. You know, you could always get
another quarterback. I think byer like who else have to
I believe you have to know the Shanahan system. If
(19:04):
you played for Mike McDaniel as well, even better. So
go back to who is on that roster in San
Francisco back when you know Garoppolo was was the quarterback.
I think that's the first call they make, but who else.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
I here's my point in all of this, Because Ryan
Tannehill's name has been thrown around a lot. I don't
say give up after two games, and it's fun to
put names in places like Russell Wilson and stuff like that,
and Jimmy Garoppolo's scenario would make sense. But if you're
the Miami Dolphins right now, and you saw what you've
(19:38):
seen in the first two games of this season, the
first seven quarters of the season, why in the world
would you want to give up any draft capital to
try to save this season right now? I'm not saying
punt and tank and end it. But this was a
team that made it to the playoffs last year and
played the first two games gran against teams that we
(20:01):
think should compete for.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
A playoff berth.
Speaker 7 (20:03):
But they were a Travis etn fumble away from being
down twenty four to seven against Jacksonville and likely being
out of that game. And there was really no point
last night where I felt that the Dolphins were in
a good spot against the Buffalo Bills. And I think
that that's more of the conversation in a bigger picture,
which may be callous to Tua, but really of to
(20:27):
a getting the extension and this is the team that
you've got. There are holes on defense, but there are
names on defense that you know. The Dolphins have five
players that are currently in the top one hundred salaries
in the NFL, tied for second in the NFL with
like six other teams. But they're paying all these guys
(20:48):
and that's what they're maxing out as so, whether at
b Ryan Tannehill, whether it be Russell Wilson, whether it
be Jimmy Garoppolo. It's fun to talk about the possibilities,
but I just don't think they're gonna.
Speaker 6 (20:59):
Be a football team.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Hmm, well, I think this is this is me, Dan,
I hear you, because they weren't really impressive last week
and they got embarrassed this week. But Radion and the
tool injury, Like for if you didn't watch the game,
Tua was not very good and yeah, they were just awful,
completely ineffective before that and then he got hurt, which
(21:26):
we're not and just so we're aware, Dan, like we're
not like rubbing it in. We're trying to tell the
story in case you missed the game and watch the game,
going wow, this is way worse. Like I knew, as
we discussed yesterday, not having the afternoon sun on the
Bills took away some of the superpower from the Dolphins.
But like it wasn't really competitive. I thought maybe it's
(21:47):
a shootout when I was seven to seven. Then all
of a sudden, they're like, wow, they can't really.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Move the ball correct.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
But I also know that kind of like it really
bothers Jay. But most of the league believes that just
like Cincinnati, don't freak out. It is those first four
games like extended preseason. They do still have some players.
And remember, I think this is the biggest thing. It's like,
(22:16):
do you guys remember when we used to ask for
directions to go places? Sam may not be old enough.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
No.
Speaker 9 (22:22):
I used to write like going map quest and then
write stuff down if I didn't have a printer.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
I absolutely remember that I used to use maps.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And we talked about this couple weeks ago because I
couldn't remember Thomas guides. Do you guys ever remember Thomas guide?
If you're in Las aie, if you grew up in
southern California, you remember a Thomas Brother's guide. Jay s
dou I know you've had you had one, there's no question,
right of course, Okay, and anyway, the point is that
for our lifetime, a stereotype of men is that we
(22:50):
were the ones that wouldn't ask for directions. Right. The
way is that because it's a pride thing, it's an
ego thing. You don't want to feel like you don't
know where you're going. Well, I think the same thing
here of the Dolphins brass, like they don't want to
be told, hey, your team's not that good, Like, no,
we built that team. We think it was a super
Bowl team, and now we just lost a quarterback who
(23:11):
although very good. Like the magic to this, part of
the magic to this system, the Shanahan system is yes,
you if you have a great quarterback like when you
had John Elway, when you have others, you can be great.
But you can turn a rock party into a star
if they just get the ball where the offense determines
and the defense says it should go. So the point is, Dan,
(23:34):
I think you're more right than wrong. I think I
don't think they're nearly as good as reputation would lead
you to believe. But the Dolphins brass doesn't agree with that, right, Yeah,
they think they're gonna be good. Well, sure, that's why,
that's why they'll go when they move. And I don't
know how much draft capital you need to go get
a Jimmy Garoppolo, right, I don't know if that much
draft capital.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
Yeah, I have no idea either. I am not sure
and how much the Rams would value or anybody else
would value. There's also a team that has stuck with
Skyler Thompson, who ended up playing in place of Tua
in that wild Card game a couple of years ago
that they had in Buffalo, so they're obviously familiar with him.
(24:20):
Last night, in the short amount that he played, I
think left a lot to be desired. Maybe that changes,
but it's just more shocking to me. And the reason
I bring it up this way, Doug, is because I
think it sounds callous to have this conversation. But if
Tua doesn't get knocked out of the game of the concussion,
(24:42):
and I think one of the reasons why he couldn't
protect himself was because he was so awful in the
first half. And when you throw that last pick six,
when you're just throwing it away, that is the definition
of trying to do too much. And so then on
the drive where you're trying to score and scramble and
get every single yard you can. That is also a
(25:03):
perfect example of trying to do too much.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Like TWOA is feeling some of.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
The heat and your point of the Dolphins being a
team where Okay, Tua maybe doesn't have the biggest ceiling
of the world. They're not equipped right now to be,
you know, a great team. You don't have Bradley Chubb
fully healthy. I don't think they have as good of
a pass rush as they did last year. The running
(25:29):
game does not seem as dynamic as it has been
in the past. Although Han got a lot of work,
most of it was out last night. There's just a
lot off with them. And I actually think if Tua
doesn't get hurt, we are having the Tua contract discussion today,
and where the Dolphins are as an organization, I.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Don't think there's any question about that. None that we
were having. We'd be having to a contract discussion today.
That's what I was prepared to when I watched the
first two interceptions. Second, I wass I was I was
self patting, that, I was self padding, yep, do.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
It, and this go ahead.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
I was just gonna say one other thing, and this
was a team that was set up with greatness for
all of their first round picks that they had for years,
and one of them ended up being forfeited. Maybe they
haven't cashed in as well as they would have hoped
on the other ones, but man, like, this was a
team that you know, they ship Laramie Tunzel to the
(26:31):
to the Texans in a deal like they were kind
of scaling stuff down. We're like, what are the Dolphins doing?
And you have all these draft picks and now you
look at what this team is right now, and I
just am like, I think Mike McDaniel's a good coach.
I think people look at his record and be like, well,
I don't know how great of a coach he is,
but if he's going to emulate what Kyle Shanahan has done,
they try to be the forty nine Ers of the East,
(26:54):
but they're just nowhere near personnel wise or anything with
what the forty nine ers do outside of a big
play from Tyreek Hill and maybe to a throw in
the football, but that seems about it right now.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, I do think the mcgannel thing is interesting, right, Like,
I like him, but there's some of the stuff he
does where you're like you're driving a Bentley and it's
a little it's just there's a little part of me.
It says he's feeling himself a little bit more than
maybe the actual record or the actual job says you
(27:27):
should be in the in the NFL, and the public
facing part about being all about the players may not
be what it's really like. I could be wrong, but
they got this is a big issue. Right You waited
thirty thirty five years to find a quarterback to replace
Dan Marino. This is the guy you picked. I didn't
think he was that good. But now you may be
(27:47):
right back in that same situation. Oh yeah, by the way,
because you locked in on that contract, then you had
to shed some other ones and now becomes kind of
house of cards. So now you're coach. When you deal
with backup quarterbacks, are going to reach out and trade
for Garoppolo if that happens. Whatever. Now we find out
that's what's called coaching. Lots of dudes can run out
(28:09):
there with your ones when you have the fastest you
in the NFL and get rid of it quick and
score some points.
Speaker 10 (28:15):
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Speaker 10 (29:07):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Buyer, What you got, Bud, Doug?
Speaker 10 (29:17):
The game today is I got DIBs?
Speaker 6 (29:20):
All right again?
Speaker 7 (29:21):
The rules are I throw out a topic and everyone's
just supposed to jump in as quickly as they can.
It is not an order sort of thing. You just
take what you want. If there's something you like, grab it.
The first topic of discussion on I got DIBs NFL
teams that are already out of it this season.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
I got, I got tips. I think Jason was in first.
Speaker 8 (29:47):
Thanks Dan, I'll take it from here. Uh, Tennessee Titans.
I'm gonna go Tennessee Titans. By the look on Dan's face,
I took his team.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
He did.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
Yeah, they're miserable. They they what was it called allowed
a victory to escape the jaws of defeat or the
other way.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Around, grab defeat from the jaws of victory.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Awful game yesterday or last week and they should have
won it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
So why are they They're in a division which is winnable.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
I know, but that quarterback play is horrible. Uh they
got the most forgettable, whitest head coach in the NFL
for those reasons.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Okay, Uh, New York Giants. I got dibbs in New
York Giants. They stink. They sting. And Daniel Jones, I
don't think he's this bad. I think his confidence is
clearly shaken. But they are not a good football team.
I got DIBs in the New York Times.
Speaker 7 (30:43):
I got DIBs on the Panthers. I think that's yeah, Sammy,
they were there for you. It was the third pick.
I got the Panthers. Don't chinx my Chargers, Sam went in.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Yeah, I had Giants, Titans, Panthers in my fourth team.
I'll take DIBs on the Raiders. Not a lot of expected.
I'm not going to say the Patriots because they got
off to a one to know start inexplicably, but the Raiders,
they were not not a lot of it was expected
of them in the preseason, before the season started, and
they opened up with a loss to the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yep, I actually agree with I like all those picks.
I things are the one that I'm like the most
questioning because I actually they actually look decent.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
They lead.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I'm sorry, by I was.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
Just gonna say, no, Raider Nation. It's at Iowa, Sam
ninety nine. Sorry, And what is your license plate so
if they see you on the LA freeways they can
track you down?
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I A S A M nine to nine.
Speaker 8 (31:38):
Oh, it was only halfway, jockey, Jockey, I was on
halfway joking.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, now all you have to worry about you don't
have to worry about the Raider fans listen to the
radio because I've been told they can no longer get
radio or internet radio in prisons. So you're good.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Deserving snare dron. That was good, but I was halfway.
I'm joking though. Don't chinks my chargers. They're my survivor
pick and a very expensive survivor pool. This weekend against Panthers.
Speaker 7 (32:09):
All right, fingers crossed for the Bolts this weekend against
Carolina cross Country early kick a couple of those Seattle's
in the same scenario. Raiders are in the same scenario
against the Ravens.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
All Right.
Speaker 7 (32:21):
College football teams that you're sick of is topic number two?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I got dims on Colorado.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
Oh good, Okay, there's only there's really only one answer,
like that really pops off of the board, and it's Colorado.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I love sick of Colorado. I want to see them
get their asses kicked against.
Speaker 9 (32:37):
You're sick of them, and you want to see them.
You know, you can be sick of them and be like, okay,
I want to get see him.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No sick when like I just I cannot, I can't,
I can't do it.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
I think there's so many teams in college football, Like,
I looked through all the games and I'm like, you
know what, there's not really a team that rubs me
the wrong way. Colorado is the only team that really does.
So yeah, I took Colorado, but you guys, I'm all
ears okay.
Speaker 7 (32:57):
I oh, you know, I'm sick of Michigan twenty four
having three sixty five.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
So that's that.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Well, plus it like they're a shell of who they
used to, Like I do you think Texas acting like
they beat we beat we beat depending champs, Like it's
like not even close to the same group.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
What do we I'm.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Gonna say Alabama on this and I know they're on
Fox tomorrow against Wisconsin. Yes, the school I attended, But
it's it's more about the why.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Aren't you coming? That's like the biggest game ever out here?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You gotta be there?
Speaker 6 (33:27):
Done?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No, that's three hour drive.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I'm good. Yeah I was. I was.
Speaker 7 (33:31):
You know, I was back home two weeks ago. So
it's yeah, it just doesn't doesn't work out. But I
just it's more about honoring Nick Saban and what he's done.
Like I think that there needs to be a drop
off of Alabama hype and fervor if you will without
Nick Saban. And I still think that they're getting a
lot of the Alabama benefits without Nick Saban being there.
(33:54):
So I'm gonna say Alabama any.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Other ones I'm gonna go. Oh, this seems too easy
for me. It's easy. Yeah. Who do you think I'm
gonna be.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Sick of Oklahoma?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah? Yep, yeah, I mean they haven't. They were better
last year under Brent Vnables, but they weren't good and
struggled to take down Houston this past week. They got
Tulane upcoming this weekend. Then they got Tennessee, Auburn, Texas,
South Carolina, Ole, miss at Missouri Alabama. LS, you ain't
(34:31):
gonna get slaughtered and it's gonna be beautiful. But like
we're acting like Bob Stoops is still the coach or
even Lincoln Riley like this scrou pasan't showed me, and
they're in a much more difficult league. I just Oklahoma.
I'm done.
Speaker 6 (34:43):
I'm good, all right. Final one.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
Popular sports sponsorships This on the heel of Major League
Baseball adding the ads to their batting helmets anywhere in sports.
Popular sports sponsorships, I got DIBs and it was a
joke and we all laugh, but we still say it
to this day, the Pulling weed Eater Bowl when they
took over the Independence Bowl, like we use it as
(35:07):
the joke as the.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Bulls, though, this is a real question. I know you
like the garden. Do you like the weed eat?
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Sure? I think it did its purpose.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I think they got so much more mileage out of
that than anybody could have ever dreamed of, which is
the whole point of putting your name on a on
a bowl game or on a stadium. So I'm going
the pulling weed Eater.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Is the most annoying or the one you're done with?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Is that just popular?
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Just yes, potsta ones, you liked yeah anything. We only
got twenty seconds.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
I'm going to take dibbs on North Carolina State having
Duke's Mayo the emblem on their field.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
I like that, ye.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I like when Providence used to play there. Rena used
to be the dunkin Donuts Center. I used to love that,
the dunk' that's game time, all right, coming up next,
Rix Pielman, Rick, Sorry, but I said, Rix Pielman. We'll
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