May 29, 2024 • 34 mins
Doug talks about Minnesota winning game four against Dallas Tuesday night, and how they were able to push the series to a 5th game. Doug weighs in on Kyrie Irving's maturation as a person and player. Doug welcomes former player and FSR NBA analyst Olden Polynice onto the show to breakdown the Mavs-TWolves series, the Celtics, Lebron and all of the other major headlines. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "For Better Or Worse?".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Doug gott showing about the radio. Hope you're having a
great day and you're enjoying this here podcast. We'll get
to all the general topics in the pod that we
need to some on the NBA. I thought we had
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a really good midway. We talked a lot about Caitlin
Clark today. Although I do I actually love I kind
of love that our guy Sam is so thoughtfully and
truthfully into the Caitlin Clark thing, whereas Jason has become
the cynic. And now we've gotten to the point where
people only judge how she plays based upon what the
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box score is because we completely stopped paying attention to
the actual game. Right case in point, Did she play
well last night? Sam?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'd say it was a mixed bag. Okay, if you
want to say yes, you want to go by the
box score she did play well.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But no, but you watched the game, did you not? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I did?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay, how did you think she played? Again?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I thought it was a mixed bag. You know, the
three point shooting is still down. You get you get
looked at a whole lot different when you win the game.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, I mean that's that's not that's fine. I would
agree with you. I would say some of the points
were stat padded attempts late in the game and free
throw attempts. Right, she's clearly get some veteran calls playing
at home, but she's getting harassed offensively as she should
be if you treated as if she's a star in
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terms of how they guard her. The veracity of their
of the of the defense. I'm not yet to the
I told you so with the three point shooting, but
I did mention that the further out you shoot more
that flaw can it be exposed. Maybe it's something that
is hindering. And also what it really does, honestly, shooting
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the ball from the left side head, it makes it
almost impossible for her shoot the ball going right. She
has to have pullbacks and step backs going left to
get that shot off. That's probably the biggest issue with it.
And when you can only do that, when that's really
your only shot off the dribble, it's going to limit
your numbers when they're up in you every time you catch.
But I think that we've reached that point where people
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are now like, yeah, I'll just make a determination based
upon the box score. Jay s dou, You're far more
critical of her. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I mean, I don't even know if critical is the word.
It's the expectations were high, right, she was the one
that is supposed to be transformative. She changed the way
college basketball was played, and I was expecting her to
do the same thing on this level. And the more
I watch the games, I just see like a decent
player blending in with other pro players. I don't I
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don't see the transcendent player that we were made to
believe she was. And truthfully, from a business perspective, the
w NBA needs her to be transcendent. Yeah, to make
the payments on all these on all these things that
they've charged on their credit cards.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It's it's these are these are valid? Valid points?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Like, look, I I think some of it is. Obviously,
the level of competition is much greater. She is still
a rookie, this is like, and she hasn't. And we've
said this about NBA players is after your first year,
that's when you can really adjust and improve and understand
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what you have to change, what you have to fix,
what you have to work on. But I I think
she's better than you're giving her credit. I don't think
she's where where Sam thinks she is. Uh, you know so.
And it's hard to tell because we could sit here
and go, hey, her team's not very good, got it understood,
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But she dominates the ball as you should as the
best player. But maybe that also improves or increases the
stat line. I just think it's fascinating to watch kind
of the social aspect of it, how people handle it,
how people treat it. And oh yeah, by the way,
she's getting a little bit of the Lebron thing right
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where when she when something doesn't go well, her coach
is an idiot and her teammates suck. That's that's how
big a star she is that no matter what she does,
her coach is an idiot erst and her teammates suck.
And both may be true. I don't know, But I
also think that I've seen this before with only one guy,
and his name is Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
What about that weird thing over the weekend? Did you
catch the Becky Hammond was doing a pregame interview with
reporters and was that Asia Wilson. I think her name
is was standing right next to her. Asia Williams was
quoted in a I think it was a newsweek piece
and then re quoted in the La Times piece last
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week literally as saying that it boils my blood when
people say that Caitlin Clark's popularity has nothing to do
with race. She said that in quotes Becky Hammond is
doing an interview right next to Asia Wilson, and Becky's like,
I don't know what you all talk about. We love Caitlin,
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we have nothing bad to say about her. She's done
nothing but good for the game. And you, you know,
and this whole, this whole race thing. I don't know
where this comes from. I don't know where the black
and white thing comes from. And Asia Wilson is literally
standing right next to her. I thought, what's going on here? Am? I?
Was I the only one who caught that?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
No, it's super disingenuous. I mean, I find Becky Hammond
to be crazy disingenuous with the fact that, boy, was
it black women's successes haven't been celebrated by this country.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Correct that that was the massive takeaway from the way.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Here he is, Hey, Becky, are you a fucking idiot?
Have you not watched women's fucking tennis? Have you never
watched have you ever watched women's track and field? I
mean I remember growing up with Rest in Peace Florence
Griffith Joiner as well as Jackie Joyner Cursey. Right, what
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is the female gymnast who everybody made excuses for because
she got the twisties, Simone Biles that hasn't been celebrated. Like, look,
I get there's a there's a way to defend your
players without offending me. Without offending me, I mean, I
was alive for when Cynthia Cooper was the best player
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on earth. She was plenty of celebrated, just no one's
given a ship about your sport. And all this is
is you've built up this resentment towards media men mainstream
because hey, we've been doing this for twenty five years
and nobody gives us our due. The reality is that
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you're getting more attention now because of her. The reality
is like, and you get more attention in the United States,
way more than you deserve. That's right, I'm telling you, Becky,
you don't deserve the attention you've gotten. And what do
you mean, Like, well, if your company live, if your
business loses money for twenty five years. Okay, most companies
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aren't in business. That's not how businesses work, right. The
only businesses that stay in business when they lose business
money for twenty five years are collegiate sports because it's
not truthfully, like, so many of these Olympic sports aren't
about making money, So like, what are you talking about?
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Imagine again, like pick another sport that has some professional sport.
There's a there, there's a National lacrosse League. Now I'm
not into the lacrosse thing. My one of my nephews
plays lacrosse. I know that in the East Coast it's gigantic.
Supposedly it's spreading. I don't know. It's hard to watch
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on TV anytime you've seen it. But imagine if those
guys are like, dude, we've been having this. How long
has the National Lacrosse League been going? Ten years? Probably?
Does anybody care?
Speaker 6 (08:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Do they sit there and complain about it? Probably, but
no one actually puts a microphone in the front of
their face. And you know why it's not. I don't
know if the presentage of makeup of white black, it's
not because nobody gives a shit lacrosse is hard to
watch on TV because you can't follow the ball. Most
people didn't grow up playing the sport. It's just not
that popular, even if it is popular in the suburbs
of you know, Maryland and New York and New Jersey
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and Connecticut. Like you're misassociating the popularity of the NBA
with the popularity of basketball. You know. It's like, you know,
they have three on three in the Olympics. Can anybody
name anybody in our three on three team? It's basketball
at USA, It's the Olympics. Why because not real basketball.
It's not the best of the best. I just hate
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disingenuous people. I find Becky Hammond to be so disingenuous,
and that's one of the reasons people didn't like her
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, what did you over the weekend? You had a
great one? You said? You quote tweeted Natasha Cloud. I
just googled or she plays for the Phoenix Mercury. By
the way, I think the Mercury was over twenty eight
from three point range last night. I think they hate one.
I think that's a record. Whatever they were was a record.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, I think they finally hit one.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But anyways, Natasha Cloud tweeted out, I'm tired of hearing
men talk about our league knowing nothing about our history.
Invest Or, shut the fuck up, respectfully, what's one or
the other? Stop talking about us? Or invest in us?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Hell of a pitch, Hey like to talk about my portfolio? Yeah,
invest in it? Or shut that up.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, it's hard to take. It's it's entitlement goal aggressive.
It's aggressive, to which my I think my quote team
was she said us lovely, Yes, the nice sale. Here's Natasha, Natasha,
make your pitch. Invest Or shut the fuck up. Well,
and Natasha, here's the thing. This is the last time
I've ever mentioned your name on national radio, So I'll
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shut the fuck up crazy now. In regards to it,
a lot of this is kind of the same same
kind of thing as we've seen. Yesterday it was announced
in Major League Baseball that the stats from the Negro
League are going to be used on an even playing
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field with historic stats in Major League Baseball, which makes
zero sense, zero sense, And it feels, you know, it
feels like, did you see the video over the weekend
with a guy who's a white guy and he put
on a sombrero and a poncho and a fake mustache,
and he walked around downtown LA and people said, and
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all the white people, he said, that's offensive. And then
he walked to Alvarado Street, which is ala Vera's what
was that street? Ali? Al la Vero Street, right, which
is is actually like an alleyway, also in downtown LA,
which has some of the best Mexican food ever. And
he went to Mexican people and they're like, nobody was
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offended by it, right, And the point is that we're
sitting here, We're sitting here protecting Negro league stats, something that,
as Bob Nightingale point out in his in his piece today,
like there was no call for this, there's no this started.
It was three years ago, back with the George Floyd thing,
some effort to make frankly white people feel better about
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how they treated black people a long time ago. Right,
that's kind of what feel like, Oh, they had segregated
league because the weren't allowed to play Major League baseball. Like, Okay,
I don't know how to right that wrong. There is
no way to right that wrong. But I'll tell you what.
What you're not allowed to do is or I guess
apparently are completely diminished. The stats of major League baseball
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players during the time or ever time since, considering the
like it wasn't against major league competition, and some of
those guys were, I'm sure better than the actual major
league players, but it was basically like a traveling as,
like a travel team that they would play any time anywhere,
exhibition games. And oh yeah, by the way, a lot
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of the stats are completely inflated in comparison to what
the actual stats were, and the core part about baseball
and and just you know, I try and be a
consistent person. The reason that I'm so against the steroid
era is it diminished all the historic statistics. Right, we
look at numbers, home run numbers completely differently. Aaron Judge
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hit what sixty two home runs? How many hit the
A couple of years ago, I hit sixty two home runs.
So he's the American League home run champion. No he's not,
fuck you, he's the actual home run champion. He hit
more than Roger Maris. Everybody else is dirty. We all
know it. So he's the fucking home run champion. And
the reason he's not considered the home run champion is
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because of those assholes who juiced up and people like oh, yo,
I just steroids. Don't know. Baseball was about the history
and about the numbers. Well, we're doing the same thing
with this. We're diminishing the history of the numbers. And
I get it, Babe, Ruth didn't play against the SEGA,
didn't play against black players. I understand, Okay, but we
can't right the wrong by diminishing the stats of people
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who accomplished the stats. It just is. And we're doing
the same thing on that viral video where we're trying
to appease and not offend black people who were never
offended by it, Like, yeah, I'm sure they were offended
by the fact that baseball was segregated, that they couldn't
play major League Baseball locker rooms, and the treatment of
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Jackie Robinson, like all that shit was awful. I'm not
diminishing that, but in an effort to make ourselves feel better,
and by ourselves, I guess I mean white people. I
never felt bad because I've never treated anybody poorly because
of the color of their skin. But that's what this
behind this, there's no other explanation. Here's the best thing
you can do. Wake up every morning and treat everybody
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as they earn to be treated and matter of fact,
you use the Golden rule. Treat others as you want
to be treated. That's it. That's it. You can't like
we're talking about things that happened fifty sixty years ago,
Like there's nothing you can do now, there's nothing other
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than be respectful and go God, that was awful. Thankfully
we're in a better time. But Major League Baseball opening
up the stat record book when you're talking about nothing
is oparable. And by the way, there's already a space
in the in the Baseball Hall of Fame for the
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Women's Professional League, right that we know, from a league
of their own and from the Negro League. But now
we want to diminish the stats of everybody historically because
we place these stats, which it doesn't mean that there
weren't great players, It doesn't mean that there weren't great accomplishments.
But it's a completely different field and scale and number
of games. Everything is different. Why are we doing that?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
Let's get to what the Fox said and now say
stuck got leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. H
let's get to what the Fox said right. These are
all clips from a show earlier today, whether it's Fox
Sports Radio or Fox Sports And here's Jonas dockson Brady
Quinn talk about the nflba's new proposal with the off
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season schedule.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
According to Tom Pellasero of the NFL Network, the NFLPA
is working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the off
season starting as soon as twenty twenty five. It would
eliminate voluntary on field work in the spring in favor
of a longer training camp ramp up, with players reporting
in mid June. In mid June rather to early July,
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per sources. OO, now seems like a long ass season
to me. But what the hell do I know?
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Here's what I would say as a former player. There's
pros and cons to all these sorts of decisions.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
But if the is you said, the NFL is.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Proposing this correct, the NFLPA, nflpa's proposedness. Which is interesting
because if you're proposing this right, and you're going to
the owner saying we would like to do this, this
is one of your bargain pieces when we talk about
eighteen games, how they're trying to get to eighteen games.
This is one of the ways, and this is one
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of the ways where the owners go, Okay, well, yeah,
well we'll do that for you guys. Oh by the way, though,
if we're going to do that, you guys have to
play an additional game, and we're going to take off
one preseason game for you guys, so you know, it's
still going to be the same time frame, but we're
going to play more meaningful games instead of these these
you know, preseason games. That's the problem with putting this
out there and using this as a potential negotiation or
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bargaining ship.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah. I mean everything, okay, everything is a bargaining chip.
But it's just very interesting on how you can't please everybody.
And it also feels like a little bit of backpedaling
for the NFLPA admitting that the you know, their previous
bargaining stuff that got them less contact in the preseason
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has backfired because guys aren't ready for anything because there
is no ramp up. There just is no ramp up.
This is Colin Coward talk about the notion that Lebron
will play anywhere, but la next season.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
He doesn't want to start over again. He's still got
another kid in high school basketball in LA, and this
kid is the better prospect. So winning another championship for
Lebron James does nothing to his legacy and nothing to
his net worth. He's a marketing machine. He's a billionaire.
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He got two in Miami, one in Cleveland, one in LA,
another one in Phoenix. Is not going to change everything.
People have made their mind up. And I will say
this about Michael. Michael's game was cooler. Michael's game was
more dramatic, it was more stylish. It was kind of
more fun to watch. In my opinion, I liked watching Michael.
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His mid range jumper, the hand size, palming, the ball,
switching hands, tongue out. There was something about Michael that
was different. I think Lebron does more things.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
He's a bigger, stronger player, a better distributor ball handler,
a more dominant defender physically because he can be because
he's forty pounds stronger, almost all of it muscle. But
Michael has won the hearts of America. He makes you
feel a certain way Lebron doesn't. He's just great. Michael
made you kind of feel cool. He made people in
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Chicago feel like we got the coolest guy in the planet.
Lebron's never felt like that. You just have the best
guy in the planet. And so this idea that he's
going to Lebron now, I'm going to go play in
Philly with often injured embiid or I'm going to go
live in a rent a house in Chandler, Arizona to
play with Moody KD. It's not happening.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, well, he's not renting a house, so I understand
he's taking some political sim poetic justice with us a
couple of things to kind of clean up there with Colin,
Bryce is not the better prospect than Bronnie. Bryce is
a late bloomer and late to the game and is
very athletic, but not a better prospect. The other part too,
it is He's right, Lebron's not going anywhere. Let's just
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not kid ourselves. And it feels really foolish in my opinion,
to play that card if you're Rich Paul. Now you
know Rich has done these negotiations with a lot of
NBA players and he's gotten Lebron everything he wanted in
the past. I just like, what are we doing to
even pool around with it. If whatever you want, just
tell Lakers what you want. You don't need to be
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coy about it, and either they will or they won't
do it. And the only punishment if you will, if
you don't do it, should be hey, maybe we retire
when we will want to retire, it's not on your timeline.
Paul Pierce said this about the Tea Wolves.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
The stars start finally they outplay the two stars of
the Dallas Mavericks. Now the key to this series, now,
you're not gonna stop Luca completely.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It just is what it is.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Like the sun is gonna come up and the moon
is gonna come out. You're not stopping Luca. The key
is you got to find a way to continue to
slow down Kyrie because Kyrie, his effect on the game
isn't scoring. And I said this yesterday. You know, he's
not a six to seven six eight guy who to
manipulate the defense like some of these other athletes or
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dominate the boards. You know, his what he brings to
the game is it scoring in different ways.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
He could score.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So if you can somehow slow that down, you got
a chance. But ultimately, I said this series was going five,
if you had any kind of resilience as a Superstars
cat Anthony Edwards, this was a Pride game when they
went up too Oho, when they was going back to Dallas,
when I was like, I can't see them beating them,
but I do see a Pride game, I said, Dallas
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in five, and so I feel like Dallas is gonna
go in Minnesota and we're gonna have one of them Luca,
one of them them Luca games, and they're gonna close
it out.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm with Paul Pierce, like we still haven't had We've
had some pretty good Luca games and Luca finish, we
haven't had a Luca game. That's the fastball that they
have that I don't think anybody else in the playoffs has.
Like Tatum could take over scoring, Jaylen Brown can take
over scoring, but Luca can do it all. And you
know he had one of those games in the last series.
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He'll probably have one in this one as well. I
think it's a really really good point from Paul. That's
what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
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Speaker 2 (22:28):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Jay stew You're easily annoyed. The world can't be an
annoying place. What's uh? What's what's the burr under your saddle? Today?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yesterday Angel Hernandez won this segment. Angel Hernandez Lifetime Achievement
Award Most Annoying. He retired as hands down the worst
Empire to ever umpire the game. But his colleague, Cowboy
Joe West, did an interview on Chicago Sports Radio and
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he says Angel has gotten a raw deal. You might
not think so, but he was good at umpiring. It
just reminds me of the gas lighting that goes on
like during an election season, like when the Democrats tell
you that the economy is the best in the world
and then I go to Carls Junior and spend twenty
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eight dollars on two Hamburgers. There's a pol yesha that
came out that eighty percent of Americans now consider fast
food a luxury. That's gaslight. And it's telling people something
when they know every single day, when they experience things
are the exact opposite. So Joe West, for whatever reason,
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is dying on the Angel Hernandez hill. He's a good umpire.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, well, Joe s country. Joe Wes was also a cowboy.
Joes to or whatever was not seen as the world's
greatest umpire either. Yeah, that's annoying.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I wonder if Joe thinks that it's that it's nineteen
twenty four and not twenty twenty four, because the last
forty eight hours on social media have been nothing but
low lights about Angel Hernandez umpiring. And I think the
most despicable part of Angel Hernandez isn't that he had
bad judgment, like that having poor judgment is a really
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bad trait for an umpire, but you can't you can
almost excuse that. It looks like a lot of his
calls were personal, like he had certain players that he
disliked and he made calls personal, And at that point
then you're getting into an egregious area and an unethical area.
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Elliott Wolf now runs the Patriots personnel. He's the son
of Ron Wolf, who I guess orchestrated those Packers teams
back in the nineties. So remember when Elliott Wolf's first
week on the job. He said that the team's going
to take a less hard ass approach and that he's
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going to tell perspective free agents that it's a new program.
It's like this annoying distancing from Bill Belichick that won
what six super bowls, five super Bowls, whatever it is,
six is becoming an annoying part of the off season.
Is just the degradation of Bill Belichick. And so Elliott
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Wolfe was asked about his new quarterback that he just drafted,
Drake May yesterday, and this is what he said.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I think those will be some important conversations for us
to have.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
It's Jacobe Brissett and he's taken the first reps and
we're excited about what he's shown not only off the field,
but also on the field with you know, with his
throwing ability. And then you know, Drake May. Let's be honest,
we've had him for three weeks now. There's a long
long way to go for all of our rookies and
all of our players as we adapt to this new
scheme that coach man Pelt is implementing offensively, and so
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we'll have those conversations as they arise. I'm sure it's
going to be collaborative approach as it's been so far
with really all the big decisions that we've made. All
four of the quarterbacks we have in the roster right
now are working hard and ready to go.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
The key terms there was that all the decisions we
make are collaborative. He want us to make that that
clear that the decisions are collaborative on the quarterback and
everything else. It's a new program, and like, I just
want to I want to touch base with Patriots fan
in like five or ten years when they're just this
like low to mid level team you share, struggling to
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like be relevant, and I want them to tell me
what was so wrong with Bill Belichick in those six rings.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I love it. I love your approach because I'm with you.
You know, it's like we have this. It's like suddenly
we have this amnesia or we and we had and
it's like because fans frankly hated the Patriots because the
Patriots always won. And I do think if we're we're honest,
you know, the spygate to flake Gate, all the different
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gates that were you know, may leave you some ability
to talk trash if you're a fan, but those are
just fans. I mean, there's a reason that though there
have been many failures in coaching world and even the
front office world coming from the Patriots, it's because people
have tried to replicate what the Patriots have done for
a long time, and now the Patriots are like, yeah,
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let's not do anything. This reminds me North Carolina basketball
when Matt Doherty took over, and Matt Doherty is his
own man, he's super bright. He was a longtime assistant
at Kansas after playing at North Carolina, and when he
came in, he changed some things up, and people freaked out,
freaked out, and he in many ways changed some things
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up just to change some things up because Carolina had
done things the same forever and he wanted to bring
them into the twenty first century. Well, that probably more
than anything, cost him his job. Whereas the idea is like, hey,
just do it the way we've been doing it for
a long time, only put your own special touches on it.
That'll work. That's what Hubert's doing, That's what Roy Williams did,
That's what Dean Smith did, and that seems to be
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at work. So I understand what you're getting at and
I agree with you, Like, why would you completely shun
the most successful twenty year run in the history of
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I don't understand that just outwardly, like overtly, they're not
even being shy about it, and not to make everything
about politics, but it is election season. But this just
reminds me of the companies that are like, yeah, we're
not going to make as much money and we're not
going to be as relevant as before, but we're going
to be more inclusive, we're going to be more collaborative.
And what the fuck do I care about that? I mean,
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especially in sports, I care if you win. I don't
care how you got there. I just need you to win.
So over the last week there's there's been this like
Kyrie Irving discussion. I don't know if you saw last night,
but there's a kind of a Kenny Smith stephen A
or Kenny Smith stephen A Smith like tangent to this
Kyrie Irving thing. I guess steven A was leading the
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charge against Kyrie when he was reposting the anti Semitic
website and when he was making all these like weird
claims and he was being difficult, and steven A led
the charge against Kyrie, and I guess Kenny Smith had
a conversation with him. But anyways, the Jucks the like
the the I guess the main point of this is
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that Kyrie was quiet all season. There was nothing noisy
about him at all. And I guess his game somehow
is improved. He's a better teammate, he's a better guy.
And Charles Barkley talked about it last night.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
He self inflicted itself. He got to take some responsibility.
I think he's grown up. I think he's mature. Steven
A and other people criticized him, and he were rightly
deserved it. You can't go out there being anti semitic
and you know you could do it a vaccine thing.
That's your own thing. But he deserved a criticism he got,
he deserved the suspension he got. But as a basketball player,
I think he's really grown up. I thought after Game
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one that was a grown man in full flight. I'd
never seen him that happy. We all made mistakes. I've
done playing this too. Think at some point you have
to grow up, and I think he's grown up.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Doug, is it too cynical of me to think that
Kyrie Irving made a business decision and has stayed out
of the noise, stayed out of the public pretty much
with all of his other viewpoints. When he lost that
Nike deal, and I think you had said he was
going to lose it any ways, but like he wants
another big contract. I'm sure. Do you think you think
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a lot of this is orchestrated or do you actually
think there has been some an evolution of Kyrie Irving?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I think can I hedge him say a little bit
of both?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, that's that's a wild.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Because because I do think, Look, I do think that
you don't just go from being as far out as
he was to suddenly being you know, lockstep with everybody
else in the world, like that doesn't happen. But some
of that is also about maturity, when you say kind matures,
Like it's a mature thing to go like, hey, if
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I say what I think just because I think it
and I know I have the ability to say it,
it's gonna cost me substantially financially. Like that's a mature
thing to understand that I can't always say what I
want to say because that's gonna cause people to get pissed.
Too many people are pissed and it's gonna hurt me
in terms of my wallet. And honestly, I don't care
if it's real or fake. I like this, Kyrie. It works,
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works for the Mavericks, works for Luca, works for people
to watch. But yeah, you're right, I'm sure a lot
of this is whether it's orchestrated or just the understanding
of the stances that he took. You aren't ones that
usually easily come off of. But oh yeah, by the way,
there are also the type of stances that gets you
on the outside looking in from just about any discussion.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So that Elliott Wolf and Patriots put in a distance
between them and Bill Belichick, and then cowboy Joe West
for gas lighting this.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
All I'm gonna say, are the Patriots putting space between
themselves and Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Is why are we doing this?
Speaker 9 (32:27):
I do.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Anthony Edwards was holding court again last night, and this time,
let's see who was in his target range? Here was it?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, I was, Sam. That's a question for you. So
when Anthony Edwards refers to Mike Connolly, what does he
refer to him as bite?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Bite?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Is that true? I thought? He says Mike Mike, but
I'm so I'm gonna trust you. He calls them byte bite.
Do you know the reason behind that, Doug? No, Okay,
well this is him talking about bite bite. Yeall got
any questions for Mike?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
I want to ask me about Mike. Nobody want to
ask me about Mike?
Speaker 9 (33:14):
Bye bike?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
How about Mike?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Especially in the first half.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Is old as fuck.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And and and and he was getting downhill lay laying
the ball up, so shout out to bike bite.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I can't tell if bite bike comes from uh Dora
where they're going Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike,
Mike right, and maybe Anthony Edwards thought they were saying
bite bye bye bye bye. That's the only thing I
can think of. Otherwise, got to be some sort of otherwise,
got to be some sort of inside the inside joke.
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Why could I play for you because we can? All Right,
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Doug gott showing about the radio. Hope you're having a
great day and you're enjoying this here podcast. We'll get
to all the general topics in the pod that we
need to some on the NBA. I thought we had
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a really good midway. We talked a lot about Caitlin
Clark today. Although I do I actually love I kind
of love that our guy Sam is so thoughtfully and
truthfully into the Caitlin Clark thing, whereas Jason has become
the cynic. And now we've gotten to the point where
people only judge how she plays based upon what the
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box score is because we completely stopped paying attention to
the actual game. Right case in point, Did she play
well last night? Sam?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I'd say it was a mixed bag. Okay, if you
want to say yes, you want to go by the
box score she did play well.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
But no, but you watched the game, did you not? Yes?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
I did?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Okay, how did you think she played? Again?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
I thought it was a mixed bag. You know, the
three point shooting is still down. You get you get
looked at a whole lot different when you win the game.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Okay, I mean that's that's not that's fine. I would
agree with you. I would say some of the points
were stat padded attempts late in the game and free
throw attempts. Right, she's clearly get some veteran calls playing
at home, but she's getting harassed offensively as she should
be if you treated as if she's a star in
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terms of how they guard her. The veracity of their
of the of the defense. I'm not yet to the
I told you so with the three point shooting, but
I did mention that the further out you shoot more
that flaw can it be exposed. Maybe it's something that
is hindering. And also what it really does, honestly, shooting
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the ball from the left side head, it makes it
almost impossible for her shoot the ball going right. She
has to have pullbacks and step backs going left to
get that shot off. That's probably the biggest issue with it.
And when you can only do that, when that's really
your only shot off the dribble, it's going to limit
your numbers when they're up in you every time you catch.
But I think that we've reached that point where people
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are now like, yeah, I'll just make a determination based
upon the box score. Jay s dou, You're far more
critical of her. Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I mean, I don't even know if critical is the word.
It's the expectations were high, right, she was the one
that is supposed to be transformative. She changed the way
college basketball was played, and I was expecting her to
do the same thing on this level. And the more
I watch the games, I just see like a decent
player blending in with other pro players. I don't I
(03:03):
don't see the transcendent player that we were made to
believe she was. And truthfully, from a business perspective, the
w NBA needs her to be transcendent. Yeah, to make
the payments on all these on all these things that
they've charged on their credit cards.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It's it's these are these are valid? Valid points?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Like, look, I I think some of it is. Obviously,
the level of competition is much greater. She is still
a rookie, this is like, and she hasn't. And we've
said this about NBA players is after your first year,
that's when you can really adjust and improve and understand
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what you have to change, what you have to fix,
what you have to work on. But I I think
she's better than you're giving her credit. I don't think
she's where where Sam thinks she is. Uh, you know so.
And it's hard to tell because we could sit here
and go, hey, her team's not very good, got it understood,
(04:10):
But she dominates the ball as you should as the
best player. But maybe that also improves or increases the
stat line. I just think it's fascinating to watch kind
of the social aspect of it, how people handle it,
how people treat it. And oh yeah, by the way,
she's getting a little bit of the Lebron thing right
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where when she when something doesn't go well, her coach
is an idiot and her teammates suck. That's that's how
big a star she is that no matter what she does,
her coach is an idiot erst and her teammates suck.
And both may be true. I don't know, But I
also think that I've seen this before with only one guy,
and his name is Lebron James.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
What about that weird thing over the weekend? Did you
catch the Becky Hammond was doing a pregame interview with
reporters and was that Asia Wilson. I think her name
is was standing right next to her. Asia Williams was
quoted in a I think it was a newsweek piece
and then re quoted in the La Times piece last
(05:12):
week literally as saying that it boils my blood when
people say that Caitlin Clark's popularity has nothing to do
with race. She said that in quotes Becky Hammond is
doing an interview right next to Asia Wilson, and Becky's like,
I don't know what you all talk about. We love Caitlin,
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we have nothing bad to say about her. She's done
nothing but good for the game. And you, you know,
and this whole, this whole race thing. I don't know
where this comes from. I don't know where the black
and white thing comes from. And Asia Wilson is literally
standing right next to her. I thought, what's going on here? Am? I?
Was I the only one who caught that?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
No, it's super disingenuous. I mean, I find Becky Hammond
to be crazy disingenuous with the fact that, boy, was
it black women's successes haven't been celebrated by this country.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Correct that that was the massive takeaway from the way.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Here he is, Hey, Becky, are you a fucking idiot?
Have you not watched women's fucking tennis? Have you never
watched have you ever watched women's track and field? I
mean I remember growing up with Rest in Peace Florence
Griffith Joiner as well as Jackie Joyner Cursey. Right, what
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is the female gymnast who everybody made excuses for because
she got the twisties, Simone Biles that hasn't been celebrated. Like, look,
I get there's a there's a way to defend your
players without offending me. Without offending me, I mean, I
was alive for when Cynthia Cooper was the best player
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on earth. She was plenty of celebrated, just no one's
given a ship about your sport. And all this is
is you've built up this resentment towards media men mainstream
because hey, we've been doing this for twenty five years
and nobody gives us our due. The reality is that
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you're getting more attention now because of her. The reality
is like, and you get more attention in the United States,
way more than you deserve. That's right, I'm telling you, Becky,
you don't deserve the attention you've gotten. And what do
you mean, Like, well, if your company live, if your
business loses money for twenty five years. Okay, most companies
(07:34):
aren't in business. That's not how businesses work, right. The
only businesses that stay in business when they lose business
money for twenty five years are collegiate sports because it's
not truthfully, like, so many of these Olympic sports aren't
about making money, So like, what are you talking about?
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Imagine again, like pick another sport that has some professional sport.
There's a there, there's a National lacrosse League. Now I'm
not into the lacrosse thing. My one of my nephews
plays lacrosse. I know that in the East Coast it's gigantic.
Supposedly it's spreading. I don't know. It's hard to watch
(08:15):
on TV anytime you've seen it. But imagine if those
guys are like, dude, we've been having this. How long
has the National Lacrosse League been going? Ten years? Probably?
Does anybody care?
Speaker 6 (08:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Do they sit there and complain about it? Probably, but
no one actually puts a microphone in the front of
their face. And you know why it's not. I don't
know if the presentage of makeup of white black, it's
not because nobody gives a shit lacrosse is hard to
watch on TV because you can't follow the ball. Most
people didn't grow up playing the sport. It's just not
that popular, even if it is popular in the suburbs
of you know, Maryland and New York and New Jersey
(08:49):
and Connecticut. Like you're misassociating the popularity of the NBA
with the popularity of basketball. You know. It's like, you know,
they have three on three in the Olympics. Can anybody
name anybody in our three on three team? It's basketball
at USA, It's the Olympics. Why because not real basketball.
It's not the best of the best. I just hate
(09:11):
disingenuous people. I find Becky Hammond to be so disingenuous,
and that's one of the reasons people didn't like her
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, what did you over the weekend? You had a
great one? You said? You quote tweeted Natasha Cloud. I
just googled or she plays for the Phoenix Mercury. By
the way, I think the Mercury was over twenty eight
from three point range last night. I think they hate one.
I think that's a record. Whatever they were was a record.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, I think they finally hit one.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
But anyways, Natasha Cloud tweeted out, I'm tired of hearing
men talk about our league knowing nothing about our history.
Invest Or, shut the fuck up, respectfully, what's one or
the other? Stop talking about us? Or invest in us?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Hell of a pitch, Hey like to talk about my portfolio? Yeah,
invest in it? Or shut that up.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, it's hard to take. It's it's entitlement goal aggressive.
It's aggressive, to which my I think my quote team
was she said us lovely, Yes, the nice sale. Here's Natasha, Natasha,
make your pitch. Invest Or shut the fuck up. Well,
and Natasha, here's the thing. This is the last time
I've ever mentioned your name on national radio, So I'll
(10:24):
shut the fuck up crazy now. In regards to it,
a lot of this is kind of the same same
kind of thing as we've seen. Yesterday it was announced
in Major League Baseball that the stats from the Negro
League are going to be used on an even playing
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field with historic stats in Major League Baseball, which makes
zero sense, zero sense, And it feels, you know, it
feels like, did you see the video over the weekend
with a guy who's a white guy and he put
on a sombrero and a poncho and a fake mustache,
and he walked around downtown LA and people said, and
(11:13):
all the white people, he said, that's offensive. And then
he walked to Alvarado Street, which is ala Vera's what
was that street? Ali? Al la Vero Street, right, which
is is actually like an alleyway, also in downtown LA,
which has some of the best Mexican food ever. And
he went to Mexican people and they're like, nobody was
(11:33):
offended by it, right, And the point is that we're
sitting here, We're sitting here protecting Negro league stats, something that,
as Bob Nightingale point out in his in his piece today,
like there was no call for this, there's no this started.
It was three years ago, back with the George Floyd thing,
some effort to make frankly white people feel better about
(11:55):
how they treated black people a long time ago. Right,
that's kind of what feel like, Oh, they had segregated
league because the weren't allowed to play Major League baseball. Like, Okay,
I don't know how to right that wrong. There is
no way to right that wrong. But I'll tell you what.
What you're not allowed to do is or I guess
apparently are completely diminished. The stats of major League baseball
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players during the time or ever time since, considering the
like it wasn't against major league competition, and some of
those guys were, I'm sure better than the actual major
league players, but it was basically like a traveling as,
like a travel team that they would play any time anywhere,
exhibition games. And oh yeah, by the way, a lot
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of the stats are completely inflated in comparison to what
the actual stats were, and the core part about baseball
and and just you know, I try and be a
consistent person. The reason that I'm so against the steroid
era is it diminished all the historic statistics. Right, we
look at numbers, home run numbers completely differently. Aaron Judge
(13:00):
hit what sixty two home runs? How many hit the
A couple of years ago, I hit sixty two home runs.
So he's the American League home run champion. No he's not,
fuck you, he's the actual home run champion. He hit
more than Roger Maris. Everybody else is dirty. We all
know it. So he's the fucking home run champion. And
the reason he's not considered the home run champion is
(13:22):
because of those assholes who juiced up and people like oh, yo,
I just steroids. Don't know. Baseball was about the history
and about the numbers. Well, we're doing the same thing
with this. We're diminishing the history of the numbers. And
I get it, Babe, Ruth didn't play against the SEGA,
didn't play against black players. I understand, Okay, but we
can't right the wrong by diminishing the stats of people
(13:43):
who accomplished the stats. It just is. And we're doing
the same thing on that viral video where we're trying
to appease and not offend black people who were never
offended by it, Like, yeah, I'm sure they were offended
by the fact that baseball was segregated, that they couldn't
play major League Baseball locker rooms, and the treatment of
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Jackie Robinson, like all that shit was awful. I'm not
diminishing that, but in an effort to make ourselves feel better,
and by ourselves, I guess I mean white people. I
never felt bad because I've never treated anybody poorly because
of the color of their skin. But that's what this
behind this, there's no other explanation. Here's the best thing
you can do. Wake up every morning and treat everybody
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as they earn to be treated and matter of fact,
you use the Golden rule. Treat others as you want
to be treated. That's it. That's it. You can't like
we're talking about things that happened fifty sixty years ago,
Like there's nothing you can do now, there's nothing other
(14:47):
than be respectful and go God, that was awful. Thankfully
we're in a better time. But Major League Baseball opening
up the stat record book when you're talking about nothing
is oparable. And by the way, there's already a space
in the in the Baseball Hall of Fame for the
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Women's Professional League, right that we know, from a league
of their own and from the Negro League. But now
we want to diminish the stats of everybody historically because
we place these stats, which it doesn't mean that there
weren't great players, It doesn't mean that there weren't great accomplishments.
But it's a completely different field and scale and number
of games. Everything is different. Why are we doing that?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
Let's get to what the Fox said and now say
stuck got leap show here on Fox Sports Radio. H
let's get to what the Fox said right. These are
all clips from a show earlier today, whether it's Fox
Sports Radio or Fox Sports And here's Jonas dockson Brady
Quinn talk about the nflba's new proposal with the off
(16:04):
season schedule.
Speaker 7 (16:05):
According to Tom Pellasero of the NFL Network, the NFLPA
is working to finalize a proposal to overhaul the off
season starting as soon as twenty twenty five. It would
eliminate voluntary on field work in the spring in favor
of a longer training camp ramp up, with players reporting
in mid June. In mid June rather to early July,
(16:26):
per sources. OO, now seems like a long ass season
to me. But what the hell do I know?
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Here's what I would say as a former player. There's
pros and cons to all these sorts of decisions.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
But if the is you said, the NFL is.
Speaker 8 (16:45):
Proposing this correct, the NFLPA, nflpa's proposedness. Which is interesting
because if you're proposing this right, and you're going to
the owner saying we would like to do this, this
is one of your bargain pieces when we talk about
eighteen games, how they're trying to get to eighteen games.
This is one of the ways, and this is one
(17:05):
of the ways where the owners go, Okay, well, yeah,
well we'll do that for you guys. Oh by the way, though,
if we're going to do that, you guys have to
play an additional game, and we're going to take off
one preseason game for you guys, so you know, it's
still going to be the same time frame, but we're
going to play more meaningful games instead of these these
you know, preseason games. That's the problem with putting this
out there and using this as a potential negotiation or
(17:29):
bargaining ship.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah. I mean everything, okay, everything is a bargaining chip.
But it's just very interesting on how you can't please everybody.
And it also feels like a little bit of backpedaling
for the NFLPA admitting that the you know, their previous
bargaining stuff that got them less contact in the preseason
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has backfired because guys aren't ready for anything because there
is no ramp up. There just is no ramp up.
This is Colin Coward talk about the notion that Lebron
will play anywhere, but la next season.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
He doesn't want to start over again. He's still got
another kid in high school basketball in LA, and this
kid is the better prospect. So winning another championship for
Lebron James does nothing to his legacy and nothing to
his net worth. He's a marketing machine. He's a billionaire.
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He got two in Miami, one in Cleveland, one in LA,
another one in Phoenix. Is not going to change everything.
People have made their mind up. And I will say
this about Michael. Michael's game was cooler. Michael's game was
more dramatic, it was more stylish. It was kind of
more fun to watch. In my opinion, I liked watching Michael.
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His mid range jumper, the hand size, palming, the ball,
switching hands, tongue out. There was something about Michael that
was different. I think Lebron does more things.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well.
Speaker 9 (19:01):
He's a bigger, stronger player, a better distributor ball handler,
a more dominant defender physically because he can be because
he's forty pounds stronger, almost all of it muscle. But
Michael has won the hearts of America. He makes you
feel a certain way Lebron doesn't. He's just great. Michael
made you kind of feel cool. He made people in
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Chicago feel like we got the coolest guy in the planet.
Lebron's never felt like that. You just have the best
guy in the planet. And so this idea that he's
going to Lebron now, I'm going to go play in
Philly with often injured embiid or I'm going to go
live in a rent a house in Chandler, Arizona to
play with Moody KD. It's not happening.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Yeah, well, he's not renting a house, so I understand
he's taking some political sim poetic justice with us a
couple of things to kind of clean up there with Colin,
Bryce is not the better prospect than Bronnie. Bryce is
a late bloomer and late to the game and is
very athletic, but not a better prospect. The other part too,
it is He's right, Lebron's not going anywhere. Let's just
(20:04):
not kid ourselves. And it feels really foolish in my opinion,
to play that card if you're Rich Paul. Now you
know Rich has done these negotiations with a lot of
NBA players and he's gotten Lebron everything he wanted in
the past. I just like, what are we doing to
even pool around with it. If whatever you want, just
tell Lakers what you want. You don't need to be
(20:25):
coy about it, and either they will or they won't
do it. And the only punishment if you will, if
you don't do it, should be hey, maybe we retire
when we will want to retire, it's not on your timeline.
Paul Pierce said this about the Tea Wolves.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
The stars start finally they outplay the two stars of
the Dallas Mavericks. Now the key to this series, now,
you're not gonna stop Luca completely.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It just is what it is.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Like the sun is gonna come up and the moon
is gonna come out. You're not stopping Luca. The key
is you got to find a way to continue to
slow down Kyrie because Kyrie, his effect on the game
isn't scoring. And I said this yesterday. You know, he's
not a six to seven six eight guy who to
manipulate the defense like some of these other athletes or
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dominate the boards. You know, his what he brings to
the game is it scoring in different ways.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
He could score.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
So if you can somehow slow that down, you got
a chance. But ultimately, I said this series was going five,
if you had any kind of resilience as a Superstars
cat Anthony Edwards, this was a Pride game when they
went up too Oho, when they was going back to Dallas,
when I was like, I can't see them beating them,
but I do see a Pride game, I said, Dallas
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in five, and so I feel like Dallas is gonna
go in Minnesota and we're gonna have one of them Luca,
one of them them Luca games, and they're gonna close
it out.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm with Paul Pierce, like we still haven't had We've
had some pretty good Luca games and Luca finish, we
haven't had a Luca game. That's the fastball that they
have that I don't think anybody else in the playoffs has.
Like Tatum could take over scoring, Jaylen Brown can take
over scoring, but Luca can do it all. And you
know he had one of those games in the last series.
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He'll probably have one in this one as well. I
think it's a really really good point from Paul. That's
what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (22:28):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Jay stew You're easily annoyed. The world can't be an
annoying place. What's uh? What's what's the burr under your saddle? Today?
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yesterday Angel Hernandez won this segment. Angel Hernandez Lifetime Achievement
Award Most Annoying. He retired as hands down the worst
Empire to ever umpire the game. But his colleague, Cowboy
Joe West, did an interview on Chicago Sports Radio and
(23:11):
he says Angel has gotten a raw deal. You might
not think so, but he was good at umpiring. It
just reminds me of the gas lighting that goes on
like during an election season, like when the Democrats tell
you that the economy is the best in the world
and then I go to Carls Junior and spend twenty
(23:33):
eight dollars on two Hamburgers. There's a pol yesha that
came out that eighty percent of Americans now consider fast
food a luxury. That's gaslight. And it's telling people something
when they know every single day, when they experience things
are the exact opposite. So Joe West, for whatever reason,
(23:54):
is dying on the Angel Hernandez hill. He's a good umpire.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, well, Joe s country. Joe Wes was also a cowboy.
Joes to or whatever was not seen as the world's
greatest umpire either. Yeah, that's annoying.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
I wonder if Joe thinks that it's that it's nineteen
twenty four and not twenty twenty four, because the last
forty eight hours on social media have been nothing but
low lights about Angel Hernandez umpiring. And I think the
most despicable part of Angel Hernandez isn't that he had
bad judgment, like that having poor judgment is a really
(24:32):
bad trait for an umpire, but you can't you can
almost excuse that. It looks like a lot of his
calls were personal, like he had certain players that he
disliked and he made calls personal, And at that point
then you're getting into an egregious area and an unethical area.
(24:53):
Elliott Wolf now runs the Patriots personnel. He's the son
of Ron Wolf, who I guess orchestrated those Packers teams
back in the nineties. So remember when Elliott Wolf's first
week on the job. He said that the team's going
to take a less hard ass approach and that he's
(25:15):
going to tell perspective free agents that it's a new program.
It's like this annoying distancing from Bill Belichick that won
what six super bowls, five super Bowls, whatever it is,
six is becoming an annoying part of the off season.
Is just the degradation of Bill Belichick. And so Elliott
(25:38):
Wolfe was asked about his new quarterback that he just drafted,
Drake May yesterday, and this is what he said.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
I think those will be some important conversations for us
to have.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (25:49):
It's Jacobe Brissett and he's taken the first reps and
we're excited about what he's shown not only off the field,
but also on the field with you know, with his
throwing ability. And then you know, Drake May. Let's be honest,
we've had him for three weeks now. There's a long
long way to go for all of our rookies and
all of our players as we adapt to this new
scheme that coach man Pelt is implementing offensively, and so
(26:11):
we'll have those conversations as they arise. I'm sure it's
going to be collaborative approach as it's been so far
with really all the big decisions that we've made. All
four of the quarterbacks we have in the roster right
now are working hard and ready to go.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
The key terms there was that all the decisions we
make are collaborative. He want us to make that that
clear that the decisions are collaborative on the quarterback and
everything else. It's a new program, and like, I just
want to I want to touch base with Patriots fan
in like five or ten years when they're just this
like low to mid level team you share, struggling to
(26:46):
like be relevant, and I want them to tell me
what was so wrong with Bill Belichick in those six rings.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I love it. I love your approach because I'm with you.
You know, it's like we have this. It's like suddenly
we have this amnesia or we and we had and
it's like because fans frankly hated the Patriots because the
Patriots always won. And I do think if we're we're honest,
you know, the spygate to flake Gate, all the different
(27:15):
gates that were you know, may leave you some ability
to talk trash if you're a fan, but those are
just fans. I mean, there's a reason that though there
have been many failures in coaching world and even the
front office world coming from the Patriots, it's because people
have tried to replicate what the Patriots have done for
a long time, and now the Patriots are like, yeah,
(27:36):
let's not do anything. This reminds me North Carolina basketball
when Matt Doherty took over, and Matt Doherty is his
own man, he's super bright. He was a longtime assistant
at Kansas after playing at North Carolina, and when he
came in, he changed some things up, and people freaked out,
freaked out, and he in many ways changed some things
(28:00):
up just to change some things up because Carolina had
done things the same forever and he wanted to bring
them into the twenty first century. Well, that probably more
than anything, cost him his job. Whereas the idea is like, hey,
just do it the way we've been doing it for
a long time, only put your own special touches on it.
That'll work. That's what Hubert's doing, That's what Roy Williams did,
That's what Dean Smith did, and that seems to be
(28:21):
at work. So I understand what you're getting at and
I agree with you, Like, why would you completely shun
the most successful twenty year run in the history of
the NFL.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
I don't understand that just outwardly, like overtly, they're not
even being shy about it, and not to make everything
about politics, but it is election season. But this just
reminds me of the companies that are like, yeah, we're
not going to make as much money and we're not
going to be as relevant as before, but we're going
to be more inclusive, we're going to be more collaborative.
And what the fuck do I care about that? I mean,
(28:51):
especially in sports, I care if you win. I don't
care how you got there. I just need you to win.
So over the last week there's there's been this like
Kyrie Irving discussion. I don't know if you saw last night,
but there's a kind of a Kenny Smith stephen A
or Kenny Smith stephen A Smith like tangent to this
Kyrie Irving thing. I guess steven A was leading the
(29:14):
charge against Kyrie when he was reposting the anti Semitic
website and when he was making all these like weird
claims and he was being difficult, and steven A led
the charge against Kyrie, and I guess Kenny Smith had
a conversation with him. But anyways, the Jucks the like
the the I guess the main point of this is
(29:34):
that Kyrie was quiet all season. There was nothing noisy
about him at all. And I guess his game somehow
is improved. He's a better teammate, he's a better guy.
And Charles Barkley talked about it last night.
Speaker 10 (29:46):
He self inflicted itself. He got to take some responsibility.
I think he's grown up. I think he's mature. Steven
A and other people criticized him, and he were rightly
deserved it. You can't go out there being anti semitic
and you know you could do it a vaccine thing.
That's your own thing. But he deserved a criticism he got,
he deserved the suspension he got. But as a basketball player,
I think he's really grown up. I thought after Game
(30:09):
one that was a grown man in full flight. I'd
never seen him that happy. We all made mistakes. I've
done playing this too. Think at some point you have
to grow up, and I think he's grown up.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Doug, is it too cynical of me to think that
Kyrie Irving made a business decision and has stayed out
of the noise, stayed out of the public pretty much
with all of his other viewpoints. When he lost that
Nike deal, and I think you had said he was
going to lose it any ways, but like he wants
another big contract. I'm sure. Do you think you think
(30:43):
a lot of this is orchestrated or do you actually
think there has been some an evolution of Kyrie Irving?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I think can I hedge him say a little bit
of both?
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Yeah, that's that's a wild.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Because because I do think, Look, I do think that
you don't just go from being as far out as
he was to suddenly being you know, lockstep with everybody
else in the world, like that doesn't happen. But some
of that is also about maturity, when you say kind matures,
Like it's a mature thing to go like, hey, if
(31:17):
I say what I think just because I think it
and I know I have the ability to say it,
it's gonna cost me substantially financially. Like that's a mature
thing to understand that I can't always say what I
want to say because that's gonna cause people to get pissed.
Too many people are pissed and it's gonna hurt me
in terms of my wallet. And honestly, I don't care
if it's real or fake. I like this, Kyrie. It works,
(31:41):
works for the Mavericks, works for Luca, works for people
to watch. But yeah, you're right, I'm sure a lot
of this is whether it's orchestrated or just the understanding
of the stances that he took. You aren't ones that
usually easily come off of. But oh yeah, by the way,
there are also the type of stances that gets you
on the outside looking in from just about any discussion.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So that Elliott Wolf and Patriots put in a distance
between them and Bill Belichick, and then cowboy Joe West
for gas lighting this.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
All I'm gonna say, are the Patriots putting space between
themselves and Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Is why are we doing this?
Speaker 9 (32:27):
I do.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Anthony Edwards was holding court again last night, and this time,
let's see who was in his target range? Here was it?
Speaker 9 (32:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Yeah, I was, Sam. That's a question for you. So
when Anthony Edwards refers to Mike Connolly, what does he
refer to him as bite?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Bite?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Is that true? I thought? He says Mike Mike, but
I'm so I'm gonna trust you. He calls them byte bite.
Do you know the reason behind that, Doug? No, Okay,
well this is him talking about bite bite. Yeall got
any questions for Mike?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
I want to ask me about Mike. Nobody want to
ask me about Mike?
Speaker 9 (33:14):
Bye bike?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
How about Mike?
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Especially in the first half.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Is old as fuck.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And and and and he was getting downhill lay laying
the ball up, so shout out to bike bite.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
I can't tell if bite bike comes from uh Dora
where they're going Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike,
Mike right, and maybe Anthony Edwards thought they were saying
bite bye bye bye bye. That's the only thing I
can think of. Otherwise, got to be some sort of otherwise,
got to be some sort of inside the inside joke.
(33:56):
Why could I play for you because we can? All Right,
that's it for the end of the Modus podcast. Check
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